£100m repairs needed to stop Brighton and Hove seafront arches from collapsing

£100m repairs needed to stop Brighton and Hove seafront arches from collapsing

£100m repairs needed to stop Brighton and Hove seafront arches from collapsing

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Brighton and Hove's iconic seafront needs up to £100 million worth of repairs because of fears it could collapse, The Argus can reveal.

For more than 200 years it has drawn in tourists from across the world and helped prop up the local economy.

But Brighton and Hove City Council has revealed it has major concerns about the safety of the arches and is investigating ways to fund a scheme to keep its picture-postcard seafront open.

Officials now face a daunting dilemma in how to raise £100 million to pay for repairs in the next “coming years and decades”.

Without it, sections of the 125-year-old seafront structures could be taped off.

The Argus understands senior figures at the local authority began discussing the issue of repairing the arch-shaped seafront structures and retaining walls last year.

But steps to create a cross-party panel to look into the subject have been delayed, as has a detailed report into the state of the arches.

The council did not provide an exact timeframe for when the work must be carried out, only stating it was needed in the coming years and decades.

If no grant funding is available through bodies like the National Lottery then the local authority would be forced to find the money from income by leasing out its land, reserves or from stretched capital expenditure budgets.

It comes a week after workmen put up signs saying they are carrying work to the historic Madeira Drive arches.

Labour councillor Gill Mitchell said: “The council cannot put off getting to grips with this very difficult nettle any longer.”

She added: “Before embarking on any major transport schemes such as Valley Gardens the full extent of the seafront work must take priority for the sake of the local economy.”

Conservative councillor Graham Cox described the estimated sum as “astronomical”.

He added: “It's very worrying as the seafront is our shop window and it is part of what attracts people to Brighton and Hove.”

Tony Mernagh, of Brighton and Hove Economic Partnership, said: “The problem is that the longer it is left the worse it gets and the bill gets bigger.”

A council spokesman said the £100 million was a “reasonable estimate”.

He added: “Many different forms of construction have been used over the last 125 years to build and then extend the arches.

“Any decisions on maintenance or strengthening work on any section of them would be based on very detailed structural analysis.

“The council is working to devise an investment strategy which we hope will set out how we will provide and fund the considerable sums of capital investment required.

“Structures are inspected regularly to confirm their condition and, if required, after appropriate advice is given, decisions will be taken based on the particular circumstances to ensure immediate safety.

“We will always work to put the safety of the public first.

“With regards to the current situation a section of Madeira Drive has been sectioned off after structural issues were raised in a recent survey.

“Work will now be carried out to assess and plan remedial work.”

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6:18am Mon 6 Jan 14

rogerthefish says...

I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove.

Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years?
I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove. Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years? rogerthefish
  • Score: 41

7:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

esh lad says...

The Argus understands senior figures at the local authority began discussing the issue of repairing the arch-shaped seafront structures and retaining walls last year.
But surely they would have known about the state of the arches long before discussions took place,and maybe they could have cancelled some of their vanity projects and the money directed to this far more important matter for the City.
The Argus understands senior figures at the local authority began discussing the issue of repairing the arch-shaped seafront structures and retaining walls last year. But surely they would have known about the state of the arches long before discussions took place,and maybe they could have cancelled some of their vanity projects and the money directed to this far more important matter for the City. esh lad
  • Score: 48

7:22am Mon 6 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party? HJarrs
  • Score: -25

7:27am Mon 6 Jan 14

Boloney-marshal says...

B&H council keeping it's heads firmly stuck in the sand until the problem is at danger point. I'm sure they will find a way for motorist to pay for the repairs.
B&H council keeping it's heads firmly stuck in the sand until the problem is at danger point. I'm sure they will find a way for motorist to pay for the repairs. Boloney-marshal
  • Score: 37

7:31am Mon 6 Jan 14

Baffled of Brighton says...

I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used? Baffled of Brighton
  • Score: 46

8:15am Mon 6 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down.

If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion.
Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down. If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion. BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 65

8:27am Mon 6 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

Baffled of Brighton wrote:
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
Yes, I think you might be right. The Green administration is already investing £4m to repair Kings Road Arches either side of the West Pier, creating new retail units, artists studios and public toilets (I know, there we go ruining this city again) and I understand this is mainly coming from the Transport budget. However these arches actually support the road above so that might not apply for the Madeira Drive structure.
[quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?[/p][/quote]Yes, I think you might be right. The Green administration is already investing £4m to repair Kings Road Arches either side of the West Pier, creating new retail units, artists studios and public toilets (I know, there we go ruining this city again) and I understand this is mainly coming from the Transport budget. However these arches actually support the road above so that might not apply for the Madeira Drive structure. Eugenius
  • Score: -27

8:36am Mon 6 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

These arches are perfectly fine for 200 years and then the Greens come along and they need replacing. Unbelievable.
These arches are perfectly fine for 200 years and then the Greens come along and they need replacing. Unbelievable. Quiterie
  • Score: -26

8:58am Mon 6 Jan 14

MegA69 says...

BHCC employs so many inefficient lazy people… oh and not to mention a drunk on the counter at Hove Town Hall. Get rid of these money wasters and have the council run like a lean, slick business then the money will be found to take care of our city..
BHCC employs so many inefficient lazy people… oh and not to mention a drunk on the counter at Hove Town Hall. Get rid of these money wasters and have the council run like a lean, slick business then the money will be found to take care of our city.. MegA69
  • Score: 32

9:09am Mon 6 Jan 14

Morpheus says...

I cringe every time Tony Mernagh makes a contribution: “The problem is that the longer it is left the worse it gets and the bill gets bigger.” He has an ability to state the obvious but no vision about how to deal with problems. No wonder the city is in a mess.
I cringe every time Tony Mernagh makes a contribution: “The problem is that the longer it is left the worse it gets and the bill gets bigger.” He has an ability to state the obvious but no vision about how to deal with problems. No wonder the city is in a mess. Morpheus
  • Score: 31

9:10am Mon 6 Jan 14

PenPushingPauper says...

100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes.
100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes. PenPushingPauper
  • Score: 47

9:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

s_james says...

HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
I very much doubt either the Council or the Argus have this detailed information yet seeing as no surveys have been carried out and no reports written.

It seems to be a pretty balanced article to me.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]I very much doubt either the Council or the Argus have this detailed information yet seeing as no surveys have been carried out and no reports written. It seems to be a pretty balanced article to me. s_james
  • Score: -22

9:13am Mon 6 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
You're not a resident of Brighton and Hove? So please do us all a favour and stop spouting.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]You're not a resident of Brighton and Hove? So please do us all a favour and stop spouting. Brighton1000
  • Score: 60

9:16am Mon 6 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

This will be the reason given for the speed trials to be cancelled, More green spin and lies. Strange how this has just come to light as soon as a huge petition to ensure the speed trials go ahead is launched.
This will be the reason given for the speed trials to be cancelled, More green spin and lies. Strange how this has just come to light as soon as a huge petition to ensure the speed trials go ahead is launched. Brighton1000
  • Score: 81

9:32am Mon 6 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
This will be the reason given for the speed trials to be cancelled, More green spin and lies. Strange how this has just come to light as soon as a huge petition to ensure the speed trials go ahead is launched.
Actually conservative councillor Graham Cox blogged about the repair bill in December before the petition started and I think that's where the Argus got the story.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: This will be the reason given for the speed trials to be cancelled, More green spin and lies. Strange how this has just come to light as soon as a huge petition to ensure the speed trials go ahead is launched.[/p][/quote]Actually conservative councillor Graham Cox blogged about the repair bill in December before the petition started and I think that's where the Argus got the story. Eugenius
  • Score: -39

9:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

rogerthefish wrote:
I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove.

Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years?
Does it have to 'fall down' before something is done?!
If it did collapse you would be straight on here complaining about the lack of maintenance - along with all the other numptys who've given your daft comment the thumbs up!!
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove. Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years?[/p][/quote]Does it have to 'fall down' before something is done?! If it did collapse you would be straight on here complaining about the lack of maintenance - along with all the other numptys who've given your daft comment the thumbs up!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -38

9:53am Mon 6 Jan 14

peebee9 says...

£100m....must be replacing the arches in solid gold!
£100m....must be replacing the arches in solid gold! peebee9
  • Score: 12

9:55am Mon 6 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
You make yourself look rather petty using the "Labour Argus" line in every post. The Argus aren't the best newspaper around ( partly because they moved so much of their operations to Southampton ) but the anti-Green stories are for a number of reasons :

1. The party in power always gets negative press
2. The local press tend to follow local feelings
3. The Green Party have a record of not listening to the electorate since their election

Now you can keep moaning about Argus "bias" and no doubt when you lose the election in 2015 you will accuse the Argus of losing it for you rather than your unpopular polices but to keep the broken record going somewhat shows what the Green Party are all about ..... hot air. Yet YOU still claim no connection to the Green party ? Thou does protest too much.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]You make yourself look rather petty using the "Labour Argus" line in every post. The Argus aren't the best newspaper around ( partly because they moved so much of their operations to Southampton ) but the anti-Green stories are for a number of reasons : 1. The party in power always gets negative press 2. The local press tend to follow local feelings 3. The Green Party have a record of not listening to the electorate since their election Now you can keep moaning about Argus "bias" and no doubt when you lose the election in 2015 you will accuse the Argus of losing it for you rather than your unpopular polices but to keep the broken record going somewhat shows what the Green Party are all about ..... hot air. Yet YOU still claim no connection to the Green party ? Thou does protest too much. Fight_Back
  • Score: 82

9:56am Mon 6 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

Morpheus wrote:
I cringe every time Tony Mernagh makes a contribution: “The problem is that the longer it is left the worse it gets and the bill gets bigger.” He has an ability to state the obvious but no vision about how to deal with problems. No wonder the city is in a mess.
And receives a mega salary package from what is ultimately public (taxpayers) money for doing so. These local quangos are dominated by the same old faces such as Fanshawe ... all big egos, claiming that they are shaping the city. But years on from the rise of these handsomely remunerated bureaucrats, virtually none of the landmark projects in have to fruition. Time to close down these pointless and expensive bodies.

Regarding the arches, as that commenter said, this is another West Pier in the making. Costs will rise exponentially with time, as potential contractors from a small and select list, lick their lips at this juicy high profit margin work when it finally gets awarded.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: I cringe every time Tony Mernagh makes a contribution: “The problem is that the longer it is left the worse it gets and the bill gets bigger.” He has an ability to state the obvious but no vision about how to deal with problems. No wonder the city is in a mess.[/p][/quote]And receives a mega salary package from what is ultimately public (taxpayers) money for doing so. These local quangos are dominated by the same old faces such as Fanshawe ... all big egos, claiming that they are shaping the city. But years on from the rise of these handsomely remunerated bureaucrats, virtually none of the landmark projects in have to fruition. Time to close down these pointless and expensive bodies. Regarding the arches, as that commenter said, this is another West Pier in the making. Costs will rise exponentially with time, as potential contractors from a small and select list, lick their lips at this juicy high profit margin work when it finally gets awarded. Withdean-er
  • Score: 34

10:00am Mon 6 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down.

If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion.
zzzzzzzzzzzz........
...............
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down. If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzz........ ............... brighton bluenose
  • Score: -61

10:01am Mon 6 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Quiterie wrote:
These arches are perfectly fine for 200 years and then the Greens come along and they need replacing. Unbelievable.
zzzzzzzzz...........
...............
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: These arches are perfectly fine for 200 years and then the Greens come along and they need replacing. Unbelievable.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzz........... ............... brighton bluenose
  • Score: -59

10:24am Mon 6 Jan 14

Robertostarlight says...

HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written.

However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway.

If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written. However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway. If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved. Robertostarlight
  • Score: -3

10:24am Mon 6 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless? Goldenwight
  • Score: -20

10:24am Mon 6 Jan 14

aat99 says...

another mess caused by the greens .... just like all the recent storms ...
another mess caused by the greens .... just like all the recent storms ... aat99
  • Score: 5

10:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 32

10:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

Gardenboy says...

£100 million!!! The A23 Handcross hill scheme only cost £77m, and that is a massive project. Why on earth will it cost £100m, hopeless guesswork me thinks!!
£100 million!!! The A23 Handcross hill scheme only cost £77m, and that is a massive project. Why on earth will it cost £100m, hopeless guesswork me thinks!! Gardenboy
  • Score: 56

10:49am Mon 6 Jan 14

John60 says...

For years I've written complaints to the council about the state of the walk and how if it wasn't maintained it would soon be condemned. Their replies always assured me that they did maintain the walk which I fond hard to believe considering even basic maintenance was never carried out such as the weeds in the gutters ever being removed. The entire walk looked a mess and the unkept state of the Concord 2 didn't help. It looked like one big squat! Five years of being on the councils case the walk is now condemned and closed! So much for their maintenance on it, I feel so cross and cheated. The whole sea front is begging to look shabby and tired!
For years I've written complaints to the council about the state of the walk and how if it wasn't maintained it would soon be condemned. Their replies always assured me that they did maintain the walk which I fond hard to believe considering even basic maintenance was never carried out such as the weeds in the gutters ever being removed. The entire walk looked a mess and the unkept state of the Concord 2 didn't help. It looked like one big squat! Five years of being on the councils case the walk is now condemned and closed! So much for their maintenance on it, I feel so cross and cheated. The whole sea front is begging to look shabby and tired! John60
  • Score: 34

11:25am Mon 6 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Baffled of Brighton wrote:
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
That is a good point, they could stick a cycle lane on the raised walkway part
[quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?[/p][/quote]That is a good point, they could stick a cycle lane on the raised walkway part gheese77
  • Score: 7

11:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

Hove Actually says...

Sounds like the perfect place for a traveller site cycle lane storage shed home type of development.....over to you kitcrap aka HJarrs
Sounds like the perfect place for a traveller site cycle lane storage shed home type of development.....over to you kitcrap aka HJarrs Hove Actually
  • Score: -1

12:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

Robertostarlight wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written.

However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway.

If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved.
The paper exists to inform and entertain; and survive through selling advertising. It has never done detailed investigative journalism, and I doubt it ever will. All the article is trying to do is point out that there is an issue, and that estimates so far suggest it will cost £100m to fix. Of course it doesn't suggest that the £100m has to be found in one lump, it's more than likely that this is the cumulative sum to be spent over many years.

If you want detail, contact your local councillor and get them to put the detail up on the council's website.
[quote][p][bold]Robertostarlight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written. However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway. If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved.[/p][/quote]The paper exists to inform and entertain; and survive through selling advertising. It has never done detailed investigative journalism, and I doubt it ever will. All the article is trying to do is point out that there is an issue, and that estimates so far suggest it will cost £100m to fix. Of course it doesn't suggest that the £100m has to be found in one lump, it's more than likely that this is the cumulative sum to be spent over many years. If you want detail, contact your local councillor and get them to put the detail up on the council's website. Plantpot
  • Score: 10

12:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Mr.Logical1 says...

Robertostarlight wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written.

However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway.

If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved.
They are probably not employing many actual journalists at the Argus, their budget probably only allows for work experience to write half the stories.
As for being 'iconic', well they haven't been treated as iconic as long as I can remember, they've always looked shabby, I struggle to imagine how they are a tourist attraction, maybe some creative thinking would allow this money to be spent on making this a genuine money-spinning tourist attraction. Please, somebody at the council, plan to regenerate the area, make it welcoming and interesting. 'Build it and they will come'
[quote][p][bold]Robertostarlight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]For the first time ever I, rather begrudgingly, find myself agreeing with the Green's apologist H.Jarrs about something. This is a lazy piece of attempted journalism that tells us nothing about the whole story. Frankly the Argus reporting of late has been generally very much of the same poor quality. I do not think,as he appears to, that this time at least, there is political bias in this particular reporting. It is just badly written. However, what would be the point in getting '..the people of B & H involved..' when the Greens tend to either take no notice of public opinion, ( recent road improvement surveys, parking surveys etc.), or ask misleading general questions that can be interpreted as they wish to suit their own ends and then do what they want anyway. If there is a problem with The Arches let us have all the relevant facts please, some of which H.Jarrs mentions, so an honest, educated 'survey' of residents' opinion can be achieved.[/p][/quote]They are probably not employing many actual journalists at the Argus, their budget probably only allows for work experience to write half the stories. As for being 'iconic', well they haven't been treated as iconic as long as I can remember, they've always looked shabby, I struggle to imagine how they are a tourist attraction, maybe some creative thinking would allow this money to be spent on making this a genuine money-spinning tourist attraction. Please, somebody at the council, plan to regenerate the area, make it welcoming and interesting. 'Build [right] it and they will come' Mr.Logical1
  • Score: 9

1:27pm Mon 6 Jan 14

roystony says...

Eugenius wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
Yes, I think you might be right. The Green administration is already investing £4m to repair Kings Road Arches either side of the West Pier, creating new retail units, artists studios and public toilets (I know, there we go ruining this city again) and I understand this is mainly coming from the Transport budget. However these arches actually support the road above so that might not apply for the Madeira Drive structure.
Thanks Jason.

Why Hide your name?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?[/p][/quote]Yes, I think you might be right. The Green administration is already investing £4m to repair Kings Road Arches either side of the West Pier, creating new retail units, artists studios and public toilets (I know, there we go ruining this city again) and I understand this is mainly coming from the Transport budget. However these arches actually support the road above so that might not apply for the Madeira Drive structure.[/p][/quote]Thanks Jason. Why Hide your name? roystony
  • Score: 7

2:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Mart says...

Mad Dave the roofer and his mate Paul the bent bricky said that they can sort this little lot out the week after next, and it will only cost BHCC a monkey in the back pocket- but they have to finish a bungalow extension in Telscombe Cliffs first.
Mad Dave the roofer and his mate Paul the bent bricky said that they can sort this little lot out the week after next, and it will only cost BHCC a monkey in the back pocket- but they have to finish a bungalow extension in Telscombe Cliffs first. Mart
  • Score: 9

4:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

DrJetty says...

I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall. DrJetty
  • Score: 11

4:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

straightasadye says...

Baffled of Brighton wrote:
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
Don't be silly. Parking funds have to be put aside
for more bicyce lanes.
[quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly. Parking funds have to be put aside for more bicyce lanes. straightasadye
  • Score: 14

4:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

It just goes to show you can't be too careful!
It just goes to show you can't be too careful! Roundbill
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Mon 6 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

DrJetty wrote:
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man!
No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases!
At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!!
[quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.[/p][/quote]'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man! No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases! At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -18

4:25pm Mon 6 Jan 14

straightasadye says...

straightasadye wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?
Don't be silly. Parking funds have to be put aside
for more bicyce lanes.
Bicycle!!!
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: I thought that walking was a form of transport, surely if pedestrians are at risk then parking funds can be used?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly. Parking funds have to be put aside for more bicyce lanes.[/p][/quote]Bicycle!!! straightasadye
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

DrJetty wrote:
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
I wouldn't be so sure. The only way the Greens will get re-elected is how they got voted in in the first place - via voter apathy. In the rest of the UK in both the recent council elections and the previous General Election they got about 1% of the vote. Clearly, nationally, they are going nowhere. However, here in B&H there are a significant number of alternative trendies who are motivated anough to get out and vote. It won't take much for Lab/Con to get them out of positions of influence - but they have to persuade people to get out and vote, because the watermelons sure will.
[quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't be so sure. The only way the Greens will get re-elected is how they got voted in in the first place - via voter apathy. In the rest of the UK in both the recent council elections and the previous General Election they got about 1% of the vote. Clearly, nationally, they are going nowhere. However, here in B&H there are a significant number of alternative trendies who are motivated anough to get out and vote. It won't take much for Lab/Con to get them out of positions of influence - but they have to persuade people to get out and vote, because the watermelons sure will. Plantpot
  • Score: 11

4:34pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Robertostarlight says...

Mart wrote:
Mad Dave the roofer and his mate Paul the bent bricky said that they can sort this little lot out the week after next, and it will only cost BHCC a monkey in the back pocket- but they have to finish a bungalow extension in Telscombe Cliffs first.
Definitely the submission of the year so far. I really laughed out loud! But remember never to take the first estimate! There may be hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian brickies on route as we speak, if we believe Fuhrer Nige! Poor old Paul and Dave may yet be undercut.

Seriously, I would love that 'spokesman for the Council' to justify his 'reasonable estimate' statement with some 'working out' as my dear old maths master used to say.

If of course there actually was a 'spokesman' and it was not a figure plucked out of the air by Scoop, cub reporter, from Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Mart[/bold] wrote: Mad Dave the roofer and his mate Paul the bent bricky said that they can sort this little lot out the week after next, and it will only cost BHCC a monkey in the back pocket- but they have to finish a bungalow extension in Telscombe Cliffs first.[/p][/quote]Definitely the submission of the year so far. I really laughed out loud! But remember never to take the first estimate! There may be hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian brickies on route as we speak, if we believe Fuhrer Nige! Poor old Paul and Dave may yet be undercut. Seriously, I would love that 'spokesman for the Council' to justify his 'reasonable estimate' statement with some 'working out' as my dear old maths master used to say. If of course there actually was a 'spokesman' and it was not a figure plucked out of the air by Scoop, cub reporter, from Southampton. Robertostarlight
  • Score: 3

5:12pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
DrJetty wrote:
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man!
No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases!
At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!!
Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.[/p][/quote]'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man! No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases! At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!![/p][/quote]Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 7

5:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

have fun says...

I would love to see the area under these arches turned into much needed housing.
I would love to see the area under these arches turned into much needed housing. have fun
  • Score: -12

6:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
DrJetty wrote:
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man!
No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases!
At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!!
Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ?
Started by building the first council housing in over 20 years?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.[/p][/quote]'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man! No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases! At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!![/p][/quote]Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ?[/p][/quote]Started by building the first council housing in over 20 years? HJarrs
  • Score: -3

6:14pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

have fun wrote:
I would love to see the area under these arches turned into much needed housing.
We have allowed and encouraged people who don't care about, or contribute to Brighton's positive future to descend on and ruin your once great City.

its pretty much forming the foundations of our 'let's create Brighton ghetto' strategy and is working very well so far.

Enjoy
[quote][p][bold]have fun[/bold] wrote: I would love to see the area under these arches turned into much needed housing.[/p][/quote]We have allowed and encouraged people who don't care about, or contribute to Brighton's positive future to descend on and ruin your once great City. its pretty much forming the foundations of our 'let's create Brighton ghetto' strategy and is working very well so far. Enjoy I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 4

6:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

her professional says...

peebee9 wrote:
£100m....must be replacing the arches in solid gold!
You're a qualified civil engineer who has conducted a survey I take it?
[quote][p][bold]peebee9[/bold] wrote: £100m....must be replacing the arches in solid gold![/p][/quote]You're a qualified civil engineer who has conducted a survey I take it? her professional
  • Score: -7

6:45pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
DrJetty wrote:
I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.
'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man!
No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases!
At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!!
Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ?
Started by building the first council housing in over 20 years?
Good response HJ

Really put them back in their box
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I think the Greens have done us the electorate a huge favor, we for once are mostly in unison, we have become politically aware how poor our public servants can be while in office. Not only will we be more aware of the manifestos and visions of the standing parties at the next election, with the many social network sites the parties will know we have a platform to air our disagreements to each other. We will no longer be swayed by the press and their political stance, the parties spin based tub-thumping press releases will be now scrutinised like never before. Come mid 2015 the Green Party will be decimated and good riddance to that thought, the next elected council will have to perform for Brighton and it's people, not just for their self centred political ideology which has been the Greens downfall.[/p][/quote]'Self-centred political idelogy' - you really are a silly little man! No Labour or Tory council has acted on behalf of 'Brighton and its people' - rather for the benefit of their own parties and power-bases! At least the Greens have shown a bit of vision - the two main parties are leading us, both locally and nationally, into a future of over-crowded, grid-locked villages, towns and cities where local services are unable to cope with demand - it's happening NOW for gods sake!![/p][/quote]Care to list what the Greens have done to stop this over crowding ? Have I missed their one child policy ?[/p][/quote]Started by building the first council housing in over 20 years?[/p][/quote]Good response HJ Really put them back in their box I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: -2

6:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

hubby says...

PenPushingPauper wrote:
100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes.
I'll do it for half!
[quote][p][bold]PenPushingPauper[/bold] wrote: 100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes.[/p][/quote]I'll do it for half! hubby
  • Score: 5

7:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

hoveguyactually says...

It is a lovely unique series of arches that should be preserved. However, as a pedestrian walkway it leads nowhere. Years ago there was an Art Deco open air swimming pool, but that was destroyed before the creation of the Marina, which is not on anyone's list of favourite architectural masterpieces. Its approach is nothing less than hideous and confusing. Peter Pan's Playground used to be there and attracted thousands. No longer. Now there are just a few dreary buildings scattered about, with an open air cafe that can hardly be called attractive. The far end of the Volks Railway is a bleak no man's land, whereas a few interesting shops and cafes would liven it up.
Meanwhile, the upper walkway is a disaster since becoming a wino's ghetto, a totally unpleasant place to sit on the scruffy seats, neglected by successive local councils. Whatever work is carried out on the arches should be considered in relation to the surroundings, Whoever is dealing with the planning should visit the seafront at the old part of Hastings to get an idea of how inviting it could be. At the moment, along that route, there is..................
...................n
othing!
It is a lovely unique series of arches that should be preserved. However, as a pedestrian walkway it leads nowhere. Years ago there was an Art Deco open air swimming pool, but that was destroyed before the creation of the Marina, which is not on anyone's list of favourite architectural masterpieces. Its approach is nothing less than hideous and confusing. Peter Pan's Playground used to be there and attracted thousands. No longer. Now there are just a few dreary buildings scattered about, with an open air cafe that can hardly be called attractive. The far end of the Volks Railway is a bleak no man's land, whereas a few interesting shops and cafes would liven it up. Meanwhile, the upper walkway is a disaster since becoming a wino's ghetto, a totally unpleasant place to sit on the scruffy seats, neglected by successive local councils. Whatever work is carried out on the arches should be considered in relation to the surroundings, Whoever is dealing with the planning should visit the seafront at the old part of Hastings to get an idea of how inviting it could be. At the moment, along that route, there is.................. ...................n othing! hoveguyactually
  • Score: 10

7:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

davedebrax says...

£100M?

It's got to be a joke.

That's the cost of a very big hospital, or a fancy public transport system.

For what?

Who needs these arches anyway?

I would not spend £1 M on repairing them.
£100M? It's got to be a joke. That's the cost of a very big hospital, or a fancy public transport system. For what? Who needs these arches anyway? I would not spend £1 M on repairing them. davedebrax
  • Score: -2

7:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

Me thinks its Best get three competitive quotes and not use a council nominated contractor because I think £100 is a little bit cheeky when it only cost £30m to buy the Brighton pair, £50m to buy The Grand Hotel and £30m for the Thistle Hotel....... shop around and see how many millions you can get knocked off :)
Me thinks its Best get three competitive quotes and not use a council nominated contractor because I think £100 is a little bit cheeky when it only cost £30m to buy the Brighton pair, £50m to buy The Grand Hotel and £30m for the Thistle Hotel....... shop around and see how many millions you can get knocked off :) Brighton Living
  • Score: 5

7:49pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Brighton Living wrote:
Me thinks its Best get three competitive quotes and not use a council nominated contractor because I think £100 is a little bit cheeky when it only cost £30m to buy the Brighton pair, £50m to buy The Grand Hotel and £30m for the Thistle Hotel....... shop around and see how many millions you can get knocked off :)
I think we need to consider how much we will need to set aside for bribes and the usual approvals to get the job done.

If we use Seven Dials Village roundabout as a benchmark, we should probably set aside £2bn and 30 years
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Me thinks its Best get three competitive quotes and not use a council nominated contractor because I think £100 is a little bit cheeky when it only cost £30m to buy the Brighton pair, £50m to buy The Grand Hotel and £30m for the Thistle Hotel....... shop around and see how many millions you can get knocked off :)[/p][/quote]I think we need to consider how much we will need to set aside for bribes and the usual approvals to get the job done. If we use Seven Dials Village roundabout as a benchmark, we should probably set aside £2bn and 30 years I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 5

7:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

GoldenTorch says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool GoldenTorch
  • Score: 3

8:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Welcome to the Argus again HJarrs. Great idea to create a new name to then make its first post as above.

In fairness, I have only lived here from birth and that equates to just under 30 years, the last two have been the worst by far.
[quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Welcome to the Argus again HJarrs. Great idea to create a new name to then make its first post as above. In fairness, I have only lived here from birth and that equates to just under 30 years, the last two have been the worst by far. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 5

9:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Pebbles907 says...

I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI..
. KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-(
I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI.. . KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-( Pebbles907
  • Score: 11

10:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Pebbles907 wrote:
I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI..

. KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-(
Yes but you probably didn't take into account all the hand-creaming that has been allowed for ...
[quote][p][bold]Pebbles907[/bold] wrote: I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI.. . KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-([/p][/quote]Yes but you probably didn't take into account all the hand-creaming that has been allowed for ... mimseycal
  • Score: 8

10:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Pebbles907 says...

mimseycal wrote:
Pebbles907 wrote:
I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI..


. KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-(
Yes but you probably didn't take into account all the hand-creaming that has been allowed for ...
They might be green, yet their all still politicians and they all sit for a juicy 'Brown envelope'.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pebbles907[/bold] wrote: I run a local building company and we had a chat about this issue today and we all agreed that we would do all the work to a very high standard for £2.5 million.........OI.. . KIT KAT! WHERE WAS MY PHONE CALL??? :-([/p][/quote]Yes but you probably didn't take into account all the hand-creaming that has been allowed for ...[/p][/quote]They might be green, yet their all still politicians and they all sit for a juicy 'Brown envelope'. Pebbles907
  • Score: 0

10:34pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Welcome to the Argus again HJarrs. Great idea to create a new name to then make its first post as above.

In fairness, I have only lived here from birth and that equates to just under 30 years, the last two have been the worst by far.
Nonsense.

Putting aside all petty party political views, Brighton has improved so much since the rundown 1970's when like all UK coastal resorts it had suffered a long term decline from a decline in tourism, as well as awful impasses on heritage like the West Pier, a lack of finance due to a near bankrupt nation, and some hideous architectural mistakes such as the Kingswest and original Churchill Square.

For example, the beach between the piers, the arches in that area and boardwalk was completely rundown. A couple of rough pubs, and that was about it.

And yes, many others have lived in Brighton all their lives too!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Welcome to the Argus again HJarrs. Great idea to create a new name to then make its first post as above. In fairness, I have only lived here from birth and that equates to just under 30 years, the last two have been the worst by far.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. Putting aside all petty party political views, Brighton has improved so much since the rundown 1970's when like all UK coastal resorts it had suffered a long term decline from a decline in tourism, as well as awful impasses on heritage like the West Pier, a lack of finance due to a near bankrupt nation, and some hideous architectural mistakes such as the Kingswest and original Churchill Square. For example, the beach between the piers, the arches in that area and boardwalk was completely rundown. A couple of rough pubs, and that was about it. And yes, many others have lived in Brighton all their lives too! Withdean-er
  • Score: -2

11:59pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable Gribbet
  • Score: -1

2:50am Tue 7 Jan 14

Zeta Function says...

Worth it if done to the standard of the bandstand.

Same: the West Pier.

Same the waste water outlets.
Worth it if done to the standard of the bandstand. Same: the West Pier. Same the waste water outlets. Zeta Function
  • Score: 0

7:19am Tue 7 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Gribbet wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity

Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control.

Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go.

Wasters
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable[/p][/quote]As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control. Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go. Wasters Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 4

7:25am Tue 7 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

I think we are all agreed that the arches and promenade should be restored, the question I would have is how can this be part of a wider improvement fit for the next 50 years and including the Volks, improved seafront and decent access to the Marina.
I think we are all agreed that the arches and promenade should be restored, the question I would have is how can this be part of a wider improvement fit for the next 50 years and including the Volks, improved seafront and decent access to the Marina. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

7:30am Tue 7 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity

Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control.

Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go.

Wasters
If it's so terrible, you had better move out. Plenty of people will want to move here in your place and they won't be miseries like yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable[/p][/quote]As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control. Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go. Wasters[/p][/quote]If it's so terrible, you had better move out. Plenty of people will want to move here in your place and they won't be miseries like yourself. HJarrs
  • Score: -7

8:51am Tue 7 Jan 14

Mr P Brown says...

It’s about time the Green party accepted some of the main responsibilities for the office they, unfortunately, hold. One of the main things is to maintain a lot of the things that make Brighton what it is. These do not include building large sticks in place of the West pier, clogging the town with its hair brained road changes, killing one of the towns main sources of incomes, tourism, with some of the highest parking charges in the country.
What it does include is maintaining the towns historic seafront, and Volks railway, maintaining the towns roads condition, which are now some of the worst in country, and if they do have to alter things like the Lewes road, make sure they deal with impact in the surrounding roads.
Roll on 2015
It’s about time the Green party accepted some of the main responsibilities for the office they, unfortunately, hold. One of the main things is to maintain a lot of the things that make Brighton what it is. These do not include building large sticks in place of the West pier, clogging the town with its hair brained road changes, killing one of the towns main sources of incomes, tourism, with some of the highest parking charges in the country. What it does include is maintaining the towns historic seafront, and Volks railway, maintaining the towns roads condition, which are now some of the worst in country, and if they do have to alter things like the Lewes road, make sure they deal with impact in the surrounding roads. Roll on 2015 Mr P Brown
  • Score: 15

9:10am Tue 7 Jan 14

DrJetty says...

brighton bluenose wrote:

you really are a silly little man!

I don't mind having a discussion to debate our personal views on the performance of our elected council, but I will not debate with anybody who's opening gambit is a personal attack with no foundation....... With my career choice I would not be considered silly, nor am I a little man.
brighton bluenose wrote: you really are a silly little man! I don't mind having a discussion to debate our personal views on the performance of our elected council, but I will not debate with anybody who's opening gambit is a personal attack with no foundation....... With my career choice I would not be considered silly, nor am I a little man. DrJetty
  • Score: 9

11:41am Tue 7 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity

Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control.

Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go.

Wasters
You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that...

Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing?
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable[/p][/quote]As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control. Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go. Wasters[/p][/quote]You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that... Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing? Gribbet
  • Score: -12

2:25pm Tue 7 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.
I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge. clubrob6
  • Score: 10

2:35pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

clubrob6 wrote:
I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.
Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!!
In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.[/p][/quote]Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!! In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -12

3:51pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

Seems to be a lot of brand new usernames popping up to defend the useless Greens. Looks like one or two Green supporters/councillo
r are getting desperate and logging in with multiple usernames!
Seems to be a lot of brand new usernames popping up to defend the useless Greens. Looks like one or two Green supporters/councillo r are getting desperate and logging in with multiple usernames! Ambo Guy
  • Score: 12

4:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
Seems to be a lot of brand new usernames popping up to defend the useless Greens. Looks like one or two Green supporters/councillo

r are getting desperate and logging in with multiple usernames!
Ha I spotted the same, I smell a green rat
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: Seems to be a lot of brand new usernames popping up to defend the useless Greens. Looks like one or two Green supporters/councillo r are getting desperate and logging in with multiple usernames![/p][/quote]Ha I spotted the same, I smell a green rat Brighton1000
  • Score: 10

4:41pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.
Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!!
In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!!
What have the greens actuslly done for brighton? That wasnt already planned and agreed by previous council, Im very keen to try and understand what positive changes they have made, from idea to completion....
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.[/p][/quote]Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!! In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!![/p][/quote]What have the greens actuslly done for brighton? That wasnt already planned and agreed by previous council, Im very keen to try and understand what positive changes they have made, from idea to completion.... Brighton1000
  • Score: 11

5:08pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.
Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!!
In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!!
What have the greens actuslly done for brighton? That wasnt already planned and agreed by previous council, Im very keen to try and understand what positive changes they have made, from idea to completion....
Well at least they've had the gumption to actually get on and implement policy (Lewes Road, 20mph, 7 Dials, seafront arches to west of West Pier) as well as start discussion on others (assist funding for i360 - I don't agree with it either! - Steine Gardens etc) - whether you agree with them or not these major changes have actually started under the Greens!

And btw I am not naturally a 'Green' supporter (my pals are a bit baffled!!) but I think the citizens of Brighton and Hove - and the country as a whole - deserve an alternative the the Labour/ Conservative nexus that is resulting in this country going to the dogs!

Nearly 70 years after WWII and we have thousands of old folk dying in winter due to the cold, who can't afford to heat their homes, kids with no chance of getting a job, whole communities with minimal work prospects - but you just carry on voting for the same tired parties!!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: I hope decisions are delayed until after we get rid of the green party,several bowling greens have already been filled in and in some cases wild flowers planted on them.The greens are NOT the party to make major decisions on our city.They will probably decide to spend £120M just to knock them down and create a wild meadow verge.[/p][/quote]Funny that you think the Greens are not the party to run our city yet you will probably vote for one of two parties that have brought this country to it's very knees!! In case you hadn't realised the bowling greens have been filled with wild flowers due to the current administration being unable to afford the upkeep due to central government cuts in funding to local government - these cuts are going to get a lot WORSE and I tell you what - that aint the Greens fault sunshine!![/p][/quote]What have the greens actuslly done for brighton? That wasnt already planned and agreed by previous council, Im very keen to try and understand what positive changes they have made, from idea to completion....[/p][/quote]Well at least they've had the gumption to actually get on and implement policy (Lewes Road, 20mph, 7 Dials, seafront arches to west of West Pier) as well as start discussion on others (assist funding for i360 - I don't agree with it either! - Steine Gardens etc) - whether you agree with them or not these major changes have actually started under the Greens! And btw I am not naturally a 'Green' supporter (my pals are a bit baffled!!) but I think the citizens of Brighton and Hove - and the country as a whole - deserve an alternative the the Labour/ Conservative nexus that is resulting in this country going to the dogs! Nearly 70 years after WWII and we have thousands of old folk dying in winter due to the cold, who can't afford to heat their homes, kids with no chance of getting a job, whole communities with minimal work prospects - but you just carry on voting for the same tired parties!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -8

6:18pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on. mimseycal
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -10

6:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t

You make HJarrs seem bright

Waster
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!![/p][/quote]You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t You make HJarrs seem bright Waster Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 8

6:44pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Gribbet wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro




ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity

Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control.

Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go.

Wasters
You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that...

Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing?
I will not provide you with any material that you can the. Google, manipulate and post adorned with spin

Tragic waster
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable[/p][/quote]As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control. Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go. Wasters[/p][/quote]You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that... Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing?[/p][/quote]I will not provide you with any material that you can the. Google, manipulate and post adorned with spin Tragic waster Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 9

6:52pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t

You make HJarrs seem bright

Waster
Perhaps you'd like to point out the inaccuracies in what I've said?!
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!![/p][/quote]You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t You make HJarrs seem bright Waster[/p][/quote]Perhaps you'd like to point out the inaccuracies in what I've said?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

7:32pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
Oh yes, I am fully aware of the fact that central government has made local government bear a large percentage of cuts to funding. So no, I don't think I am that stupid.

And no, I don't think that it is part of a creepy green agenda. I think it is part of an inept green agenda.

Maggie Thatcher tried the same on local authorities back in 1980s ... the then Liverpool council took her on, fought like billy-o and won with a significant increase in the local authority funding in 1984!

I have little regard for central government who have forced local authorities to take on cuts (they bear 50% of the cuts though they cost less then 38% of the total budget) but I have even less regard for local authorities who meekly submit and then penalise the young, the old and the vulnerable within their boundaries.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!![/p][/quote]Oh yes, I am fully aware of the fact that central government has made local government bear a large percentage of cuts to funding. So no, I don't think I am that stupid. And no, I don't think that it is part of a creepy green agenda. I think it is part of an inept green agenda. Maggie Thatcher tried the same on local authorities back in 1980s ... the then Liverpool council took her on, fought like billy-o and won with a significant increase in the local authority funding in 1984! I have little regard for central government who have forced local authorities to take on cuts (they bear 50% of the cuts though they cost less then 38% of the total budget) but I have even less regard for local authorities who meekly submit and then penalise the young, the old and the vulnerable within their boundaries. mimseycal
  • Score: 4

8:01pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t

You make HJarrs seem bright

Waster
Perhaps you'd like to point out the inaccuracies in what I've said?!
Perhaps I don't give a sh1t about what you want you nasty miscreant. Given the thick greens don't care, neither do I you waste of space

Occupy anyone? Waster!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!![/p][/quote]You are without doubt a complete fuckw1t You make HJarrs seem bright Waster[/p][/quote]Perhaps you'd like to point out the inaccuracies in what I've said?![/p][/quote]Perhaps I don't give a sh1t about what you want you nasty miscreant. Given the thick greens don't care, neither do I you waste of space Occupy anyone? Waster! Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Tue 7 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14

So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.
Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?!
Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!!
Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!!
Oh yes, I am fully aware of the fact that central government has made local government bear a large percentage of cuts to funding. So no, I don't think I am that stupid.

And no, I don't think that it is part of a creepy green agenda. I think it is part of an inept green agenda.

Maggie Thatcher tried the same on local authorities back in 1980s ... the then Liverpool council took her on, fought like billy-o and won with a significant increase in the local authority funding in 1984!

I have little regard for central government who have forced local authorities to take on cuts (they bear 50% of the cuts though they cost less then 38% of the total budget) but I have even less regard for local authorities who meekly submit and then penalise the young, the old and the vulnerable within their boundaries.
I like the cut of your jib - however the Greens are (now) a minority administration and unfortunately would not have the backing from the electorate for a campaign of civil disobedience! This is Brighton and Hove after all where most of the population whinge about a possible 2% increase in council tax to help preserve jobs and services - hardly a ringing endorsement of solidarity with the workers!!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 5:08 Tue 7 Jan 14 So we get the Greens under whose majority party rule sports fees increase, parking fees increase, seafront attraction fares go up and bowls clubs are closed. Not to mention cuts to the funding of the music service. Cuts to social care for the elderly and disabled, cuts in funding for subsidized bus services ... the list goes on.[/p][/quote]Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't understand how central government has cut funding to local authorities?! Did you not hear the Chancellor yesterday morning state how these cuts would bite even harder over the next three years?! Do you think those cuts to services are part of some nasty deliberate Green agenda that they had hidden away deep in their f*****g manifesto??!!! Christ - I despair at some of the people who post on this forum!!![/p][/quote]Oh yes, I am fully aware of the fact that central government has made local government bear a large percentage of cuts to funding. So no, I don't think I am that stupid. And no, I don't think that it is part of a creepy green agenda. I think it is part of an inept green agenda. Maggie Thatcher tried the same on local authorities back in 1980s ... the then Liverpool council took her on, fought like billy-o and won with a significant increase in the local authority funding in 1984! I have little regard for central government who have forced local authorities to take on cuts (they bear 50% of the cuts though they cost less then 38% of the total budget) but I have even less regard for local authorities who meekly submit and then penalise the young, the old and the vulnerable within their boundaries.[/p][/quote]I like the cut of your jib - however the Greens are (now) a minority administration and unfortunately would not have the backing from the electorate for a campaign of civil disobedience! This is Brighton and Hove after all where most of the population whinge about a possible 2% increase in council tax to help preserve jobs and services - hardly a ringing endorsement of solidarity with the workers!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

9:27pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Yes, now the Greens are indeed a (just about) minority administration. However they have been in administration for two years? Not all of that as a (just about) minority administration.

And why is that? Because they threw one of their councillors out for not playing follow the leader nicely enough and another forced a by-election by repeating a stunt he played in another city where he was elected. Just before his half term came up, he decided he wanted to be near family and resigned.

We have a Green council leader who was happy to leave the sorting out of the threatening binmen strike to paid council officers but then proceeded to claim it as his own victory during the Green Party Conference. The Brighton & Hove variety of Greens has left a lot to be desired.

Whilst I do not think very highly of the lack of opposition displayed by either the local Labour or the local Conservatives, I don't think that the local Greens have done much to raise their image in my view.

And yes, I realise that that leaves me very little option come the next elections but all things considered, whilst I expect to be stabbed in the back by Labour, disregarded by the conservatives and have given up all hope in the LibDems (from the moment Cleg signed the coalition with Cameron) I expected ... no that isn't fair ... I hoped for better from the Greens, considering their origin. And no, I didn't vote for them but I accepted the results of a democratic vote.
Yes, now the Greens are indeed a (just about) minority administration. However they have been in administration for two years? Not all of that as a (just about) minority administration. And why is that? Because they threw one of their councillors out for not playing follow the leader nicely enough and another forced a by-election by repeating a stunt he played in another city where he was elected. Just before his half term came up, he decided he wanted to be near family and resigned. We have a Green council leader who was happy to leave the sorting out of the threatening binmen strike to paid council officers but then proceeded to claim it as his own victory during the Green Party Conference. The Brighton & Hove variety of Greens has left a lot to be desired. Whilst I do not think very highly of the lack of opposition displayed by either the local Labour or the local Conservatives, I don't think that the local Greens have done much to raise their image in my view. And yes, I realise that that leaves me very little option come the next elections but all things considered, whilst I expect to be stabbed in the back by Labour, disregarded by the conservatives and have given up all hope in the LibDems (from the moment Cleg signed the coalition with Cameron) I expected ... no that isn't fair ... I hoped for better from the Greens, considering their origin. And no, I didn't vote for them but I accepted the results of a democratic vote. mimseycal
  • Score: 6

9:06pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
GoldenTorch wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro





ng
wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?
We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types

That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city

Laughable
Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per...

You really are a complete tool
Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city.

Laughable
As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity

Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control.

Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go.

Wasters
You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that...

Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing?
I will not provide you with any material that you can the. Google, manipulate and post adorned with spin

Tragic waster
Just give some real examples of what you're talking about rather than just your usual insults, oafish language and negative sweeping generalisations.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GoldenTorch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If we don't spend this money, how much extra will we have to spend funding alternate housing for the homeless?[/p][/quote]We should invest in building a prison and lock the street drinking homeless away together with all othe anti social behaviour types That would be money well spent and would make a material difference to holiday makers.coming to our once great city Laughable[/p][/quote]Once great city? When was this? Not in your life time sonny, The place was decrepit in the 70's and 80's. For someone who supposedly loves B&H so much I expect you've actually done jack sh*t for the town or the community ever. All mouth as per... You really are a complete tool[/p][/quote]Also, before Dec 2000 B&H wasn't even a city. Laughable[/p][/quote]As you, golden torch and HJarrs are simply posting names for the same person I am more than happy to provide just one combined response, especially given your stupidity Having lived in Brighton for 25 years I have seen a massive decline since the disrespectfu, wasteful and selfish greens have taken control. Everything they have touched has turned to sh1t and I can't wait for them to go. Wasters[/p][/quote]You often mention this "massive decline" that's currently taking place in B&H, but apart from the Lewes Road changes (which could also be seen as a massive improvement to some), you never give any specific details of what you mean by that... Can you give some specific examples of what you're seeing?[/p][/quote]I will not provide you with any material that you can the. Google, manipulate and post adorned with spin Tragic waster[/p][/quote]Just give some real examples of what you're talking about rather than just your usual insults, oafish language and negative sweeping generalisations. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

11:17pm Wed 8 Jan 14

whoee! says...

HJarrs wrote:
The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote).

As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc....

Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?
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[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The arches have been shabby and neglected for years including when Gill Mitchell's Labour was in power. However, I fail to see how Valley Gardens or other transport projects are relevant given that funding is separate and not available to be spent on the seafront (I forgot, Labour Argus helping Labour to chase the moanerati and Daily Mail vote). As ever, we get a headline but no real understanding of the issue. Is this just Madiera Drive or the total between Saltdean and Portslade? Is the main cost for renewing the retaining walls or just the arches? What is the time frame and what is proposed to be done when? A £100 million sounds a lot, but if it is split over 50 years, that throws a different light on things. Is it better to renovate in situ or tear it all down and rebuild? Is the main road at risk? What is the process for making change? What opportunities and risks? How can we, the people of B&H get involved? What are the planning restrictions? Can we get rid of the rats that infest the retaining wall? Etc.... Come on Argus, why can't we have proper in depth articles about something vitally important to our city rather than a quick headline and promotion of your favoured political party?[/p][/quote]Oh dear...ahem zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz whoee!
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Wiggsy says...

PenPushingPauper wrote:
100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes.
Given the work on restoring the bandstand was close to £1m and the recent restoration work on the arches cost £4m then this is probably a realistic quote.
[quote][p][bold]PenPushingPauper[/bold] wrote: 100 Million?... Maybe shop around for more quotes.[/p][/quote]Given the work on restoring the bandstand was close to £1m and the recent restoration work on the arches cost £4m then this is probably a realistic quote. Wiggsy
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Victor Peirce says...

Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce.

One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)
Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce. One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-) Victor Peirce
  • Score: 2

8:52am Mon 13 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Victor Peirce wrote:
Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce.

One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)
Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped!
[quote][p][bold]Victor Peirce[/bold] wrote: Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce. One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)[/p][/quote]Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Poem58 says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down.

If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion.
I think you are mistaking the Greens for the mainstream parties who are the real corporate butt kissers.

Lab/Lib/Tory... they'll ALL support any war, allow the banksters to get away with murder, let supermarkets destroy our communities, oil companies to frack the countryside to hell and back, etc, etc. And still you support them.

What does that say about you?

The Greens are trying something different. I am tempted to support them next time round.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Knowing the wretched incompetent Greens, they'll probably try to save money (after squandering millions on useless vanity projects) by just pulling the arches down. If they could sell the land for office space, the Greens would probably demolish the Pavilion.[/p][/quote]I think you are mistaking the Greens for the mainstream parties who are the real corporate butt kissers. Lab/Lib/Tory... they'll ALL support any war, allow the banksters to get away with murder, let supermarkets destroy our communities, oil companies to frack the countryside to hell and back, etc, etc. And still you support them. What does that say about you? The Greens are trying something different. I am tempted to support them next time round. Poem58
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Victor Peirce wrote:
Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce.

One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)
Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped!
The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Peirce[/bold] wrote: Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce. One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)[/p][/quote]Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped![/p][/quote]The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

7:14pm Thu 16 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Victor Peirce wrote:
Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce.

One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)
Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped!
The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street.
What on earth does that mean?!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Peirce[/bold] wrote: Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce. One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)[/p][/quote]Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped![/p][/quote]The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street.[/p][/quote]What on earth does that mean?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jackthekipper says...

these under arch spaces should be sold off and made into shop units,the buyer would then be responsible for any maintenance,a block wall would seperate each unit,glass fronted and fit out for whatever purpose,this would rake in revenue and tidy up a quiet and boring part of the seafront,an eclectic mix of shops,cafes and the like would be great along this underused stretch and bring more people down to the seafront .everyones a winner,and all undercover
these under arch spaces should be sold off and made into shop units,the buyer would then be responsible for any maintenance,a block wall would seperate each unit,glass fronted and fit out for whatever purpose,this would rake in revenue and tidy up a quiet and boring part of the seafront,an eclectic mix of shops,cafes and the like would be great along this underused stretch and bring more people down to the seafront .everyones a winner,and all undercover jackthekipper
  • Score: -1

10:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

alastair 1 says...

perhaps the "greenies"could have a little whip round at the Speed Trials,after all it`s the motorist that normally injects the cash into most other non road projects.
perhaps the "greenies"could have a little whip round at the Speed Trials,after all it`s the motorist that normally injects the cash into most other non road projects. alastair 1
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

statistician says...

rogerthefish wrote:
I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove.

Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years?
Perhaps they should ask the City Surveyor why this is such a surprise and no sinking fund was built up over the previous decades as a contingency for this inevitability.

Build shops in these arches is technically and commercially futile.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: I feel another west pier coming on..£100million for who's back pocket. What planet are they living on that's 5 years parking income for the whole of Brighton and Hove. Has any part of the structure actually fallen down or is this a council official/surveyor trying to justify their security of employment for the next few years?[/p][/quote]Perhaps they should ask the City Surveyor why this is such a surprise and no sinking fund was built up over the previous decades as a contingency for this inevitability. Build shops in these arches is technically and commercially futile. statistician
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Victor Peirce wrote:
Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce.

One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)
Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped!
The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street.
What on earth does that mean?!
I'd have thought it obvious but hey hop ...

Aside from the time factor of shopping on the high street there are incidentals, such as bus fare to and from or parking charges. Additional incidentals are stopping off for a coffee/tea but by and large they are not reckoned as they contribute to the experience.

On street parking at say £3.50 an hour (North Laine, April 2012 which admittedly is the last time I looked) ... you drive in, you drive round for ages (all costing in petrol BTW), you find a space. You wander around in and out of shops and spend say an afternoon looking for that skirt/shirt pair of trousers/shoes and before you know it you are looking at adding over a tenner to the cost of what ever you have bought.

Sit in the (dis)comfort of your own home, use a broadband that you already have paid for, select that skirt/shirt pair of trousers/shoes in your own time ... 3am in the morning if you happen to be up and even with the addition of postage and packaging you will end up paying less overall. Not only that but the choice can be greater on line and you can drink your own tea/coffee at the same time ;-)
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Peirce[/bold] wrote: Sadly since the Greens got in to power they have only really managed to make Brighton the most expensive place to park and imposed 20mph speed limits nobody takes any notice of and the police seem unlikely to enforce. One can only hope they will lose control of the council and then we can get some sensible decisions, well as sensible as any other normal council in the UK. At least they have had the sense to form a cross party committee. That said nobody will make a decision before it falls down. Perhaps some lottery money will be forthcoming along with some money from local businesses. Ah! small problem the business community are probably losing money as the Greens have made it so expensive to park! :-)[/p][/quote]Victor - many many local retailers reported doing well in the run up to Christmas! But perhaps you also hadn't seen the news on the day you posted that stated 20% of all non-food shopping over Christmas was done on-line and that this had risen by 20% on the same period last year?! Now THAT is probably the main reason why many retailers are struggling - though I'm sure parking charges haven't helped![/p][/quote]The rise in on-line shopping probably correlates to the expense of shopping in the high street.[/p][/quote]What on earth does that mean?![/p][/quote]I'd have thought it obvious but hey hop ... Aside from the time factor of shopping on the high street there are incidentals, such as bus fare to and from or parking charges. Additional incidentals are stopping off for a coffee/tea but by and large they are not reckoned as they contribute to the experience. On street parking at say £3.50 an hour (North Laine, April 2012 which admittedly is the last time I looked) ... you drive in, you drive round for ages (all costing in petrol BTW), you find a space. You wander around in and out of shops and spend say an afternoon looking for that skirt/shirt pair of trousers/shoes and before you know it you are looking at adding over a tenner to the cost of what ever you have bought. Sit in the (dis)comfort of your own home, use a broadband that you already have paid for, select that skirt/shirt pair of trousers/shoes in your own time ... 3am in the morning if you happen to be up and even with the addition of postage and packaging you will end up paying less overall. Not only that but the choice can be greater on line and you can drink your own tea/coffee at the same time ;-) mimseycal
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