Royal Sussex hospital visitor shares lift with dead body

The Argus: Royal Sussex hospital visitor shares lift with dead body Royal Sussex hospital visitor shares lift with dead body

A hospital has apologised after a visitor found she was sharing a public lift with a dead body.

The complaint was sent to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton by a woman who had been visiting to see her mother.

The body was being transported to the hospital morgue during the incident last month.

The woman, who had been regularly visiting the Royal Sussex during her mother’s stay, said: “Today I shared a lift with someone who had just passed away. The transporting bed covered in a blue plastic sheet.

“Thank God there were no children around. Where was the dignity for someone who has just died?

“I very much doubt their family would have appreciated the way their loved one was treated.”

The woman said there were a number of other issues about the hospital’s lifts which she had concerns with.

She said: “There have been women/men patients with catheters, colostomy bags and oxygen bottles.

“Then the laundry and the cleaning buckets and food from the kitchens, plus visitors, some with children and strollers, all packed into a lift.

“These patients have no dignity, just sitting in their wheelchairs covered by a flimsy blanket.”

The woman called for more to be done to make sure patients were transported separately and did not end up being crammed into lifts used by everyone.

Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust, which runs the hospital, says it does have separate lift not for general public use, which is used for transporting patients.

He apologised for the incident involving the body in the lift.

He said: “This should never happen and we apologise for the distress this has caused.

“The member of staff transporting the deceased patient should have ensured they did not share a lift with a member of the public.”

There are also plans to improve access to lifts at the hospital as part of its planned £420 million redevelopment.

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9:11am Wed 8 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

“There have been women/men patients with catheters, colostomy bags and oxygen bottles"? Er, what were you expecting, an operatic show and a pleasant view across the rolling savannah?

Get real.
“There have been women/men patients with catheters, colostomy bags and oxygen bottles"? Er, what were you expecting, an operatic show and a pleasant view across the rolling savannah? Get real. The Prophet of Doom

9:15am Wed 8 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making? Goldenwight

9:24am Wed 8 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital. Brighton1000

9:54am Wed 8 Jan 14

Arc/Weld says...

I'd hardly call the RSCH a modern hospital. It badly needs this re-development.
I'd hardly call the RSCH a modern hospital. It badly needs this re-development. Arc/Weld

10:27am Wed 8 Jan 14

PetertheGrate says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous. PetertheGrate

10:28am Wed 8 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van
It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining ThinkBrighton

12:34pm Wed 8 Jan 14

TheDrive says...

Doesn't surprise me much. I'll never forgive and forget how horrible the staff and conditions were in A&E when my late mother was taken there. It's an appalling place.
Doesn't surprise me much. I'll never forgive and forget how horrible the staff and conditions were in A&E when my late mother was taken there. It's an appalling place. TheDrive

12:40pm Wed 8 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
your a fine one to be talking about respect after your comments yesterday
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]your a fine one to be talking about respect after your comments yesterday whatevernext2013

2:08pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Pinacolada says...

In parts of the hospital there are no designated public lifts. In parts of the hospital where there are designated public lifts the public still use the patients/staff lift. My daughter works at the hospital and has many stories of how the general public have refused to step out of a lift to let her transport a sick patient. If the deceased where left on the ward in a bed till after visiting times so they could be moved when no public were about the patients would be mounting up in a & e and sure enough there would be another argus article with something else to moan about. These people bend over backwards and work in the most difficult of circumstances. Last year my daughter was punched, spat at and sworn at on a daily basis. Give them a break and save your moans for something bonafide
In parts of the hospital there are no designated public lifts. In parts of the hospital where there are designated public lifts the public still use the patients/staff lift. My daughter works at the hospital and has many stories of how the general public have refused to step out of a lift to let her transport a sick patient. If the deceased where left on the ward in a bed till after visiting times so they could be moved when no public were about the patients would be mounting up in a & e and sure enough there would be another argus article with something else to moan about. These people bend over backwards and work in the most difficult of circumstances. Last year my daughter was punched, spat at and sworn at on a daily basis. Give them a break and save your moans for something bonafide Pinacolada

2:29pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Barfly78 says...

how is being transported on a trolley with a blue sheet covering you not dignified?
what would be dignified?
top hat and tails?
how is being transported on a trolley with a blue sheet covering you not dignified? what would be dignified? top hat and tails? Barfly78

2:30pm Wed 8 Jan 14

downbythesea says...

Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook!

It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it!

As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap!

Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response:
"Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it?
Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook! It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it! As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap! Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response: "Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it? downbythesea

2:44pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

The staff should be praised as they have to work:

1. Under unreasonable conditions.

2. With the unreasonable public and

3. Under vacuous autocratic management whose only contribution to patients' health amounts to, for example, watching a barium enema taking place and asking pointless, obvious questions. If you want to be useful don a pair of rubber gloves and get 'drilling'!
The staff should be praised as they have to work: 1. Under unreasonable conditions. 2. With the unreasonable public and 3. Under vacuous autocratic management whose only contribution to patients' health amounts to, for example, watching a barium enema taking place and asking pointless, obvious questions. If you want to be useful don a pair of rubber gloves and get 'drilling'! Crystal Ball

5:13pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Fashionista88 says...

Well they've got it wrong about colostomy bags being on view!! That comment is rather offensive to people who have to wear one, the patients can't help it and if they hadn't got one then they would be dead as well. They should think themselves lucky to not have one!! If you're that appalled at seeing this sort of thing then don't go to a hospital or use the staircase and not the lifts!!
Well they've got it wrong about colostomy bags being on view!! That comment is rather offensive to people who have to wear one, the patients can't help it and if they hadn't got one then they would be dead as well. They should think themselves lucky to not have one!! If you're that appalled at seeing this sort of thing then don't go to a hospital or use the staircase and not the lifts!! Fashionista88

5:30pm Wed 8 Jan 14

hammerfan says...

Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?
Could not a pedestrian use the stairs? hammerfan

6:12pm Wed 8 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

The lifts are obviously very busy on hospital business. Instead of complaining maybe the visitor should have used the stairs.
The lifts are obviously very busy on hospital business. Instead of complaining maybe the visitor should have used the stairs. gheese77

7:47pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Sampanther says...

I work at the Sussex County. Unfortunately it's often the case that only half of the available public lifts are in operation. However, the bed/patient lifts are clearly marked as such and should not be used by the public. They are clearly marked as patient lifts (I believe the sign also says that they are NOT for visitors).
If visitors to the hospital cannot wait for an available public lift or take the stairs and choose to use a patient lift, they shouldn't be surprised that they have to share them with patients. Dead or alive.
I work at the Sussex County. Unfortunately it's often the case that only half of the available public lifts are in operation. However, the bed/patient lifts are clearly marked as such and should not be used by the public. They are clearly marked as patient lifts (I believe the sign also says that they are NOT for visitors). If visitors to the hospital cannot wait for an available public lift or take the stairs and choose to use a patient lift, they shouldn't be surprised that they have to share them with patients. Dead or alive. Sampanther

7:50pm Wed 8 Jan 14

jackthekipper says...

dont they have a chute or shute for the brown bread
dont they have a chute or shute for the brown bread jackthekipper

10:26pm Wed 8 Jan 14

hoveguyactually says...

Are you certain it was a human corpse? It could have been the lunch for the wards that was being delivered.
Are you certain it was a human corpse? It could have been the lunch for the wards that was being delivered. hoveguyactually

10:50pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Teddy2011 says...

I also work at the hospital. The lift this woman used was a bed lift meant for patients and NOT visitors. It does cleary state that it is a bed lift and using this lift can delay the transfer of critically ill patients. So who is in the wrong the person who used the wrong lift or the hospital? The poor person who had passed and has now been subjected to a part of this story, when infact the lift was being used for one of its many services for PATIENTS within the hospital. To use this BED lift and then have the cheek to think the hospital and its staff have done wrong and to go further and report to the argus is outrageous. Another case of slating the hospital when in the main the hospital and all its staff are trying to deliver a good service to the public.
I also work at the hospital. The lift this woman used was a bed lift meant for patients and NOT visitors. It does cleary state that it is a bed lift and using this lift can delay the transfer of critically ill patients. So who is in the wrong the person who used the wrong lift or the hospital? The poor person who had passed and has now been subjected to a part of this story, when infact the lift was being used for one of its many services for PATIENTS within the hospital. To use this BED lift and then have the cheek to think the hospital and its staff have done wrong and to go further and report to the argus is outrageous. Another case of slating the hospital when in the main the hospital and all its staff are trying to deliver a good service to the public. Teddy2011

11:19pm Wed 8 Jan 14

butterfly75 says...

I too work in a hospital. I cannot believe this has been published in a newspaper. Unfortunately people die every day in hospital; day, night, on the way to theatre, in waiting rooms. How do people think the deceased are transported to the morgue? By magic? There are separate bed lifts for such transfers and this member of the public should not have been in this lift.
I too work in a hospital. I cannot believe this has been published in a newspaper. Unfortunately people die every day in hospital; day, night, on the way to theatre, in waiting rooms. How do people think the deceased are transported to the morgue? By magic? There are separate bed lifts for such transfers and this member of the public should not have been in this lift. butterfly75

2:12am Thu 9 Jan 14

Finey02 says...

Be bloody grateful for the nhs, if you don't like the way the overworked, underpaid employees go about their job in the best way they can, go sodding private ffs
Be bloody grateful for the nhs, if you don't like the way the overworked, underpaid employees go about their job in the best way they can, go sodding private ffs Finey02

8:15am Thu 9 Jan 14

Wula123 says...

This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they? Wula123

9:08am Thu 9 Jan 14

andyfm says...

Wula123 wrote:
This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments
What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital????
[quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital???? andyfm

9:21am Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy R says...

Wula123 wrote:
This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
I just clicked the imaginary "Like" button!
[quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]I just clicked the imaginary "Like" button! Andy R

9:28am Thu 9 Jan 14

her professional says...

Agree with nearly all of the comments. Shame on the Argus for following the Government line that any shortcomings in the NHS are the fault of frontline staff and the system in general, the subliminal message being that it would all be OK with a bit more privatisation. Our beloved NHS is being systematically starved of funds and we are sleepwalking into its demise.
Agree with nearly all of the comments. Shame on the Argus for following the Government line that any shortcomings in the NHS are the fault of frontline staff and the system in general, the subliminal message being that it would all be OK with a bit more privatisation. Our beloved NHS is being systematically starved of funds and we are sleepwalking into its demise. her professional

9:41am Thu 9 Jan 14

DrJetty says...

What a ridiculous news item, typical Argus trying to big a non story up on a no news day. It's like someone claiming they felt drunk after drinking alcohol or they felt wet after going for a swim.........
What a ridiculous news item, typical Argus trying to big a non story up on a no news day. It's like someone claiming they felt drunk after drinking alcohol or they felt wet after going for a swim......... DrJetty

12:13pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
“There have been women/men patients with catheters, colostomy bags and oxygen bottles"? Er, what were you expecting, an operatic show and a pleasant view across the rolling savannah?

Get real.
I am asking they have some dignity when being transferred and not stupid comments such as yours.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: “There have been women/men patients with catheters, colostomy bags and oxygen bottles"? Er, what were you expecting, an operatic show and a pleasant view across the rolling savannah? Get real.[/p][/quote]I am asking they have some dignity when being transferred and not stupid comments such as yours. viv319

12:14pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased. viv319

12:15pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
Thank you my point exactly
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]Thank you my point exactly viv319

12:17pm Thu 9 Jan 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

So the Argus reporter didn't bother to find out first which lift the complainant went in? To see if she was actually in the wrong. Very poor reporting yet again Argus. Try to do better.
So the Argus reporter didn't bother to find out first which lift the complainant went in? To see if she was actually in the wrong. Very poor reporting yet again Argus. Try to do better. getThisCoalitionOut

12:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

PetertheGrate wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous.
I am not criticising the staff IN ANY WAY..they where marvellous
[quote][p][bold]PetertheGrate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I am not criticising the staff IN ANY WAY..they where marvellous viv319

12:22pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van
It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining
Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining[/p][/quote]Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place. viv319

12:29pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Wula123 wrote:
This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY!
[quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY! viv319

12:31pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Barfly78 wrote:
how is being transported on a trolley with a blue sheet covering you not dignified?
what would be dignified?
top hat and tails?
stupid comment..a little respect for the deceased.lifts should have been closed while this gentleman was transported
[quote][p][bold]Barfly78[/bold] wrote: how is being transported on a trolley with a blue sheet covering you not dignified? what would be dignified? top hat and tails?[/p][/quote]stupid comment..a little respect for the deceased.lifts should have been closed while this gentleman was transported viv319

12:37pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

downbythesea wrote:
Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook!

It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it!

As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap!

Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response:
"Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it?
I am not complaing about the hospital staff and would not ever.You have read the article so I believe that a lttle respect either living or dead is needed.
p.s The "corpse" as you so respectfully say was an elderly man and the actual words the porters said was " its ok he wont hurt you! the lift should have been closed off to the public, they joined me on the 1st floor while i was coming down from the second.so not a lot i could do.and No you shouldnt have to see things like this as its a hospital.
[quote][p][bold]downbythesea[/bold] wrote: Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook! It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it! As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap! Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response: "Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it?[/p][/quote]I am not complaing about the hospital staff and would not ever.You have read the article so I believe that a lttle respect either living or dead is needed. p.s The "corpse" as you so respectfully say was an elderly man and the actual words the porters said was " its ok he wont hurt you! the lift should have been closed off to the public, they joined me on the 1st floor while i was coming down from the second.so not a lot i could do.and No you shouldnt have to see things like this as its a hospital. viv319

12:37pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

downbythesea wrote:
Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook!

It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it!

As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap!

Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response:
"Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it?
I am not complaing about the hospital staff and would not ever.You have read the article so I believe that a lttle respect either living or dead is needed.
p.s The "corpse" as you so respectfully say was an elderly man and the actual words the porters said was " its ok he wont hurt you! the lift should have been closed off to the public, they joined me on the 1st floor while i was coming down from the second.so not a lot i could do.and No you shouldnt have to see things like this as its a hospital.
[quote][p][bold]downbythesea[/bold] wrote: Good job the corpse didn't wake up with all her whingeing and give her a right hook! It's a hospital, you expect to see things which may be unpleasant, deal with it! As for the Royal Sussex, the staff are generally great, most of the hospital itself is archaic and needs knocking down asap! Perhaps people who don't have a complaint should write to The Argus and see if they get the same headline response: "Royal Sussex Hospital patients happy with hospital service", no, I thought not, that's not news is it?[/p][/quote]I am not complaing about the hospital staff and would not ever.You have read the article so I believe that a lttle respect either living or dead is needed. p.s The "corpse" as you so respectfully say was an elderly man and the actual words the porters said was " its ok he wont hurt you! the lift should have been closed off to the public, they joined me on the 1st floor while i was coming down from the second.so not a lot i could do.and No you shouldnt have to see things like this as its a hospital. viv319

12:39pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

hammerfan wrote:
Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?
No I couldnt as I was coming down from the second floor and the deceased gentleman joined me on the first.I am disabled so at the mercy of the LIFTS!!!
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?[/p][/quote]No I couldnt as I was coming down from the second floor and the deceased gentleman joined me on the first.I am disabled so at the mercy of the LIFTS!!! viv319

12:39pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

hammerfan wrote:
Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?
No I couldnt as I was coming down from the second floor and the deceased gentleman joined me on the first.I am disabled so at the mercy of the LIFTS!!!
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?[/p][/quote]No I couldnt as I was coming down from the second floor and the deceased gentleman joined me on the first.I am disabled so at the mercy of the LIFTS!!! viv319

1:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Wula123 says...

viv319 wrote:
Wula123 wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY!
Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things???
[quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY![/p][/quote]Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things??? Wula123

5:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Wula123 wrote:
viv319 wrote:
Wula123 wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY!
Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things???
you dont get it do you
[quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY![/p][/quote]Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things???[/p][/quote]you dont get it do you viv319

5:06pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Pinacolada says...

'I have no complaints about the hospital and staff'......so telling your story to the local rag was going to have a positive effect was it??
You can never please some people and that is why I'm considering giving up my nursing career of 20+ years
'I have no complaints about the hospital and staff'......so telling your story to the local rag was going to have a positive effect was it?? You can never please some people and that is why I'm considering giving up my nursing career of 20+ years Pinacolada

5:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
The staff should be praised as they have to work:

1. Under unreasonable conditions.

2. With the unreasonable public and

3. Under vacuous autocratic management whose only contribution to patients' health amounts to, for example, watching a barium enema taking place and asking pointless, obvious questions. If you want to be useful don a pair of rubber gloves and get 'drilling'!
I am not attacking staff here.I am asking that people should have a bit of respect for the living and the dead.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: The staff should be praised as they have to work: 1. Under unreasonable conditions. 2. With the unreasonable public and 3. Under vacuous autocratic management whose only contribution to patients' health amounts to, for example, watching a barium enema taking place and asking pointless, obvious questions. If you want to be useful don a pair of rubber gloves and get 'drilling'![/p][/quote]I am not attacking staff here.I am asking that people should have a bit of respect for the living and the dead. viv319

5:09pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

hammerfan wrote:
Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?
Not if disabled
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Could not a pedestrian use the stairs?[/p][/quote]Not if disabled viv319

5:12pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

andyfm wrote:
Wula123 wrote:
This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments
What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital????
This "stupid! woman wants to see a bit of respect and dignity for the living and deceased.The 2 lifts are NOT marked for visitors or patients.You just dont get it do you.
[quote][p][bold]andyfm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital????[/p][/quote]This "stupid! woman wants to see a bit of respect and dignity for the living and deceased.The 2 lifts are NOT marked for visitors or patients.You just dont get it do you. viv319

5:27pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Teddy2011 wrote:
I also work at the hospital. The lift this woman used was a bed lift meant for patients and NOT visitors. It does cleary state that it is a bed lift and using this lift can delay the transfer of critically ill patients. So who is in the wrong the person who used the wrong lift or the hospital? The poor person who had passed and has now been subjected to a part of this story, when infact the lift was being used for one of its many services for PATIENTS within the hospital. To use this BED lift and then have the cheek to think the hospital and its staff have done wrong and to go further and report to the argus is outrageous. Another case of slating the hospital when in the main the hospital and all its staff are trying to deliver a good service to the public.
what lifts are you referring to? after visiting the hospital for 10 solid weeks, no where is there a sign on any of the 2 lifts stating either one is for visitors or patients.or anywhere stating it is a BED LIFT for your information I reported it to the National Health complaints because it is unacceptable the way patients are dealt with and the deceased.I have never witnessed this in the Millenium Wing.I do not blame the staff and did not infer that in my letter, as under this government and all cut backs they are doing an amazing job.Just a bit of dignity needed here.If it was your family you would want that also.
[quote][p][bold]Teddy2011[/bold] wrote: I also work at the hospital. The lift this woman used was a bed lift meant for patients and NOT visitors. It does cleary state that it is a bed lift and using this lift can delay the transfer of critically ill patients. So who is in the wrong the person who used the wrong lift or the hospital? The poor person who had passed and has now been subjected to a part of this story, when infact the lift was being used for one of its many services for PATIENTS within the hospital. To use this BED lift and then have the cheek to think the hospital and its staff have done wrong and to go further and report to the argus is outrageous. Another case of slating the hospital when in the main the hospital and all its staff are trying to deliver a good service to the public.[/p][/quote]what lifts are you referring to? after visiting the hospital for 10 solid weeks, no where is there a sign on any of the 2 lifts stating either one is for visitors or patients.or anywhere stating it is a BED LIFT for your information I reported it to the National Health complaints because it is unacceptable the way patients are dealt with and the deceased.I have never witnessed this in the Millenium Wing.I do not blame the staff and did not infer that in my letter, as under this government and all cut backs they are doing an amazing job.Just a bit of dignity needed here.If it was your family you would want that also. viv319

5:29pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Finey02 wrote:
Be bloody grateful for the nhs, if you don't like the way the overworked, underpaid employees go about their job in the best way they can, go sodding private ffs
you just dont get it do you?
[quote][p][bold]Finey02[/bold] wrote: Be bloody grateful for the nhs, if you don't like the way the overworked, underpaid employees go about their job in the best way they can, go sodding private ffs[/p][/quote]you just dont get it do you? viv319

5:38pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Wula123 wrote:
viv319 wrote:
Wula123 wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY!
Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things???
thats a very stupid answer
[quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Please tell me where the lifts are marked seperately?? when or if they are both working at the same time,which is very rare.I am not a snooty woman looking down on patients.I was actually comming down from the second floor and it stopped on the first floor wher 2 porters bought this gentleman into the lift who had just passed, there words where "its ok he wont hurt you"..The lift should have been closed off while they took him.Patients being transported to whichever wards do look uncomfortable and embarrassed if they have medical appliances with them AND are covered with a flimsy blanket.Dignity love DIGNITY![/p][/quote]Ok, so the entire lift at all levels should be closed off, meaning a member of staff on 4 levels, on each lift, insuring no body enters. Then when the deceased patient is to exit the lift to make the journey to the mortuary, there should then be staff members clearing every hall way en route. What a waste of NHS resource. The comment made i agree is wrong and should not have been made, but again i do no understand why the porters would get in the lift on level 1 when it is travelling down as that is the opposite direction of the route they would always take??? Bit Strange to me. As for patients looking uncomfortable and embarrassed, wouldn’t you if you were poorly, had a catheter and a colostomy bag attached to you with a breathing mask or nasal spectrums up your nose? How exactly would you like patients to be transported round a hospital? The deceased in a coffin style trolley with an entourage of staff ensuring that people are ushered away from it so they are 'aware' there is something coming through they shouldn’t be looking at which automatically draws your attention to what you are being diverted from looking at? Then patients who aren’t perfectly fit (every patient in the hospital) to be transported round the outside of the building in and out through windows so YOU don’t have to see such things???[/p][/quote]thats a very stupid answer viv319

5:47pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

andyfm wrote:
Wula123 wrote:
This is absolutely unbelievable.
I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE.
When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it!
As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned??
The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards?
I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway??
The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment.
Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?
Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments
What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital????
a bit of dignity and respect for the living and the deceased that what i expect
[quote][p][bold]andyfm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wula123[/bold] wrote: This is absolutely unbelievable. I also work in this hospital and what I have just read above is frankly a JOKE. When people are poorly you go to hospital. Some people are able to walk around fine, some people are bed bound and some people unfortunately do not survive their illness. To come into a hospital and be disgusted because you have seen people’s illness and the treatment they are receiving for the illness is appalling. Those oxygen cylinders, catheter bags and colostomy bags are the equipment that is SAVING people’s lives. If anything this women should have some sympathy for the poor patients she saw that needed the equipment and be extremely grateful that she is lucky enough to not need it! As for the cleaning products in the lift – Doesn’t this prove that the hospital is actually being cleaned?? The food being transported in the lifts… Well if she looked properly it’s all packaged and in transportation carriers so what is this issue? How is it supposed to get delivered to the wards? I’m also sure that a deceased patent, a Laundry cage, a Food carrier, A Visitor with a stroller and a Patient with a colostomy bag, oxygen cylinder and catheter bag with the porter, a cleaner with their equipment and her would all fit into a lift anyway?? The lifts in the hospital are CLEARLY marked as PUBLIC or PATIENT. If you choose to enter a lift which is stated for PATIENTS then it is uncontrollable as to what you will see whilst in it. I also believe that all members of staff working in a hospital have more respect and discretion for patients, whether living or not, than to transfer a patient around the site in more than a flimsy blanket or to enter a lift full of the public (that shouldn’t be in there anyway) with a deceased patient. Maybe she should have more respect and discretion than to enter the PATIENT lift whilst there is a deceased patient in there or a patient who is clearly very poorly with all their life saving equipment. Oh I forgot, Patients really like having some snooty women looking down her nose at them whilst they are feeling very poorly and vulnerable don’t they?[/p][/quote]Well said!! ....You are spot on with all your comments What does this "STUPID" woman expect to see in any hospital????[/p][/quote]a bit of dignity and respect for the living and the deceased that what i expect viv319

5:49pm Thu 9 Jan 14

jackie4944 says...

I think this is actually ridicules and not the fact that she travelled in a lift with a dead body, but that she complained about it and that it has become a news story. I have been to loads of hospitals and including this hospital and I can tell you I have travelled a few times with a dead body. what do you expect a hospital to do just throw them out of window? these bodies are in a special trolly and you cannot see anything. Bloody get a life or walk up the stairs.
I think this is actually ridicules and not the fact that she travelled in a lift with a dead body, but that she complained about it and that it has become a news story. I have been to loads of hospitals and including this hospital and I can tell you I have travelled a few times with a dead body. what do you expect a hospital to do just throw them out of window? these bodies are in a special trolly and you cannot see anything. Bloody get a life or walk up the stairs. jackie4944

5:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

Pinacolada wrote:
'I have no complaints about the hospital and staff'......so telling your story to the local rag was going to have a positive effect was it??
You can never please some people and that is why I'm considering giving up my nursing career of 20+ years
please do not blame me if you wish to give up your position. my complant to the NHS was for patients and the deceased to have a bit of dignity when brought into contact with the general public, who usualy have none.yes it should have a positive effect as to stop all this as the old part of the hospital is like the Dickensian era and i feel for the staff and doctors who are stretched to the limit.
[quote][p][bold]Pinacolada[/bold] wrote: 'I have no complaints about the hospital and staff'......so telling your story to the local rag was going to have a positive effect was it?? You can never please some people and that is why I'm considering giving up my nursing career of 20+ years[/p][/quote]please do not blame me if you wish to give up your position. my complant to the NHS was for patients and the deceased to have a bit of dignity when brought into contact with the general public, who usualy have none.yes it should have a positive effect as to stop all this as the old part of the hospital is like the Dickensian era and i feel for the staff and doctors who are stretched to the limit. viv319

5:55pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

jackie4944 wrote:
I think this is actually ridicules and not the fact that she travelled in a lift with a dead body, but that she complained about it and that it has become a news story. I have been to loads of hospitals and including this hospital and I can tell you I have travelled a few times with a dead body. what do you expect a hospital to do just throw them out of window? these bodies are in a special trolly and you cannot see anything. Bloody get a life or walk up the stairs.
silly comment
[quote][p][bold]jackie4944[/bold] wrote: I think this is actually ridicules and not the fact that she travelled in a lift with a dead body, but that she complained about it and that it has become a news story. I have been to loads of hospitals and including this hospital and I can tell you I have travelled a few times with a dead body. what do you expect a hospital to do just throw them out of window? these bodies are in a special trolly and you cannot see anything. Bloody get a life or walk up the stairs.[/p][/quote]silly comment viv319

5:59pm Thu 9 Jan 14

jackie4944 says...

viv319 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased.
There is separate lifts, there are lifts marked patient lifts which this woman obviously went in and there are the visitor lifts. Surely this lady is to snooty to read and cannot read that patient lifts are not to be used by visitors.
[quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased.[/p][/quote]There is separate lifts, there are lifts marked patient lifts which this woman obviously went in and there are the visitor lifts. Surely this lady is to snooty to read and cannot read that patient lifts are not to be used by visitors. jackie4944

6:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

hoveguyactually says...

`Judging by the amount of time this woman has spent on this thread, she is clearly relishing every minute of it. What a fuss to make! OK it was a nasty experience for her, but at least the corpse didn't get up and slap her round the face, which is quite surprising, judging by all the bellyaching going on. And the quip made by the porter was not all that terrible. A sense of humour is something the woman has not. I'd rather share a lift with a corpse than have someone doing all that bellyaching about nothing.
`Judging by the amount of time this woman has spent on this thread, she is clearly relishing every minute of it. What a fuss to make! OK it was a nasty experience for her, but at least the corpse didn't get up and slap her round the face, which is quite surprising, judging by all the bellyaching going on. And the quip made by the porter was not all that terrible. A sense of humour is something the woman has not. I'd rather share a lift with a corpse than have someone doing all that bellyaching about nothing. hoveguyactually

7:34pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
`Judging by the amount of time this woman has spent on this thread, she is clearly relishing every minute of it. What a fuss to make! OK it was a nasty experience for her, but at least the corpse didn't get up and slap her round the face, which is quite surprising, judging by all the bellyaching going on. And the quip made by the porter was not all that terrible. A sense of humour is something the woman has not. I'd rather share a lift with a corpse than have someone doing all that bellyaching about nothing.
This woman is not relishing anything at all.Please God it never happens to any of your loved ones.The porter was disrespectful as you are.Nothing funny about any of it.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: `Judging by the amount of time this woman has spent on this thread, she is clearly relishing every minute of it. What a fuss to make! OK it was a nasty experience for her, but at least the corpse didn't get up and slap her round the face, which is quite surprising, judging by all the bellyaching going on. And the quip made by the porter was not all that terrible. A sense of humour is something the woman has not. I'd rather share a lift with a corpse than have someone doing all that bellyaching about nothing.[/p][/quote]This woman is not relishing anything at all.Please God it never happens to any of your loved ones.The porter was disrespectful as you are.Nothing funny about any of it. viv319

7:35pm Thu 9 Jan 14

viv319 says...

jackie4944 wrote:
viv319 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased.
There is separate lifts, there are lifts marked patient lifts which this woman obviously went in and there are the visitor lifts. Surely this lady is to snooty to read and cannot read that patient lifts are not to be used by visitors.
there most certainly is nnot
[quote][p][bold]jackie4944[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No I am saying that there should be one lift for the general public and one lift for patients /staff/ and the deceased.[/p][/quote]There is separate lifts, there are lifts marked patient lifts which this woman obviously went in and there are the visitor lifts. Surely this lady is to snooty to read and cannot read that patient lifts are not to be used by visitors.[/p][/quote]there most certainly is nnot viv319

7:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

melee says...

Sorry I can't seem to find it in myself to get worked up over the idea of seeing sick and dead people in a hospital. I was last in RSCH a couple of months ago as I had to take my young son for an appointment, and we passed many people on trollies or in wheelchairs, both in the corridors and in the lifts. That's what you expect to see. I said a polite 'hello' to a few people but I can't say I scrutinised them to see if they had any embarrassing bits on show.
Sorry I can't seem to find it in myself to get worked up over the idea of seeing sick and dead people in a hospital. I was last in RSCH a couple of months ago as I had to take my young son for an appointment, and we passed many people on trollies or in wheelchairs, both in the corridors and in the lifts. That's what you expect to see. I said a polite 'hello' to a few people but I can't say I scrutinised them to see if they had any embarrassing bits on show. melee

9:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Pinacolada says...

You can argue about lifts. Lifts lifts lifts. What about the corridors? There is no way you can transport someone, dead or alive, from a to b without coming in contact with the public. Whether it be in the lift or not, it's unavoidable. Fact. It's a hospital, people are sick, people die. If the story was titled 'visitor shares lift with dead body at cineworld ' I'd be more astonished.
You can argue about lifts. Lifts lifts lifts. What about the corridors? There is no way you can transport someone, dead or alive, from a to b without coming in contact with the public. Whether it be in the lift or not, it's unavoidable. Fact. It's a hospital, people are sick, people die. If the story was titled 'visitor shares lift with dead body at cineworld ' I'd be more astonished. Pinacolada

11:37am Fri 10 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

PetertheGrate wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous.
So the entire building was erected in the 19th century was it?
[quote][p][bold]PetertheGrate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]Having been patient several times at the the of last year I would not criticise the staff in any way,but to describe a building ererced inth 19th century as 'modern' is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]So the entire building was erected in the 19th century was it? Brighton1000

11:39am Fri 10 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
your a fine one to be talking about respect after your comments yesterday
My point of view you mean? WHICH I am entitled to, if it differs to yours thats called life. You tar everyone with the same brush and make sweeping accusations, so stop spouting please.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]your a fine one to be talking about respect after your comments yesterday[/p][/quote]My point of view you mean? WHICH I am entitled to, if it differs to yours thats called life. You tar everyone with the same brush and make sweeping accusations, so stop spouting please. Brighton1000

2:33pm Fri 10 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Oh big deal! Listen lady, if you had been on a long haul flight seated next to someone who died, you would probably have been sat next to them for the entire duration of the flight.

People get sick and die in hospitals. My mum was a nurse and I spent a lot of time on the wards and occasionally people died and were transported out by trolley. I was only eight years old but it didn't bother me. You are an adult - so grow up. The corpse was covered up - unfortunately invisibility cloaks are not available outside of Harry Potter books - so what do you expect the porters to do? Hand out blindfolds?
Oh big deal! Listen lady, if you had been on a long haul flight seated next to someone who died, you would probably have been sat next to them for the entire duration of the flight. People get sick and die in hospitals. My mum was a nurse and I spent a lot of time on the wards and occasionally people died and were transported out by trolley. I was only eight years old but it didn't bother me. You are an adult - so grow up. The corpse was covered up - unfortunately invisibility cloaks are not available outside of Harry Potter books - so what do you expect the porters to do? Hand out blindfolds? thevoiceoftruth

2:50pm Fri 10 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

viv319 wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van
It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining
Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.
The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass.
[quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining[/p][/quote]Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.[/p][/quote]The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass. thevoiceoftruth

8:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

flapper48 says...

viv.........you dont get it do you
viv.........you dont get it do you flapper48

8:16pm Fri 10 Jan 14

flapper48 says...

spare a thought for the poor sod viv has been visiting for the last ten weeks
spare a thought for the poor sod viv has been visiting for the last ten weeks flapper48

12:13pm Sat 11 Jan 14

viv319 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
viv319 wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van
It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining
Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.
The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass.
oh so its my fault..another stupid reply back
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining[/p][/quote]Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.[/p][/quote]The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass.[/p][/quote]oh so its my fault..another stupid reply back viv319

12:15pm Sat 11 Jan 14

viv319 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Oh big deal! Listen lady, if you had been on a long haul flight seated next to someone who died, you would probably have been sat next to them for the entire duration of the flight.

People get sick and die in hospitals. My mum was a nurse and I spent a lot of time on the wards and occasionally people died and were transported out by trolley. I was only eight years old but it didn't bother me. You are an adult - so grow up. The corpse was covered up - unfortunately invisibility cloaks are not available outside of Harry Potter books - so what do you expect the porters to do? Hand out blindfolds?
You listen lady, I am asking for a bit of dignity here for both the living and the dead.Yet again another stupid reply back
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Oh big deal! Listen lady, if you had been on a long haul flight seated next to someone who died, you would probably have been sat next to them for the entire duration of the flight. People get sick and die in hospitals. My mum was a nurse and I spent a lot of time on the wards and occasionally people died and were transported out by trolley. I was only eight years old but it didn't bother me. You are an adult - so grow up. The corpse was covered up - unfortunately invisibility cloaks are not available outside of Harry Potter books - so what do you expect the porters to do? Hand out blindfolds?[/p][/quote]You listen lady, I am asking for a bit of dignity here for both the living and the dead.Yet again another stupid reply back viv319

5:17pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Clairebaker12 says...

Viv what are you proposing then? What do you think will make the whole process of transporting patients dead or alive more dignified?
Viv what are you proposing then? What do you think will make the whole process of transporting patients dead or alive more dignified? Clairebaker12

10:48pm Sun 12 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
viv319 wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?
No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.
The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van
It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining
Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.
The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass.
There lies the answer the woman should have just got out of the lift as respect.Basically having been a patient in the RSCH several times lately you get moved around the hospital by porters say for scans etc all the time.It can be quite disturbing when you are very unwell waiting for the porters to return you to your bed as they are very busy.They quite simply have not the time to wait for empty lifts this woman should have got out of the lift so the porters can carry on with there important duties.As dignity goes the hospital patients alive or dead should be priority.Basically this is not a news story but reality of what occurs in a busy hospital.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]viv319[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful- the lifts should be reserved for the living. Staff should have transported this body up/down the fire exit stairs- is that the point this lady is making?[/p][/quote]No she is making the point that there are seprate lifts, so use them. Its shameful on the deceased to transport in a public lift, zero respect. As for kids witnessing that, you expect more from a modern hospital.[/p][/quote]The corpse didn't complain, what should they do, discard the body out of a window perhaps into a waiting van It's a place where sick people are and, unfortunately some of them do die, and you get some loon complaining[/p][/quote]Oh that is such a stupid comment you have just made.I was on the second floor when the lift stopped and 2 portes entered with some poor old man who had passed.The actual word when entering the lift was "its ok he cant hurt you"..So no I am not a loon but if his family had known how disrespectful that is.The porters should have waited and blocked the lift while the removal was in place.[/p][/quote]The porters should have waited? So you accept that the NHS is understaffed and they are extremely busy but you want them to wait around when they have an important job to do. I'm sure once they had moved the deceased they had plenty of other jobs moving patients from one section of the hospital to another. If they had let the lift go, then more visitors would have entered it on another floor. Perhaps you should have done the decent thing and got out of the lift, if you were that disturbed by it. They made a joke to put you at ease, unaware that you had just had a sense of humour bypass.[/p][/quote]There lies the answer the woman should have just got out of the lift as respect.Basically having been a patient in the RSCH several times lately you get moved around the hospital by porters say for scans etc all the time.It can be quite disturbing when you are very unwell waiting for the porters to return you to your bed as they are very busy.They quite simply have not the time to wait for empty lifts this woman should have got out of the lift so the porters can carry on with there important duties.As dignity goes the hospital patients alive or dead should be priority.Basically this is not a news story but reality of what occurs in a busy hospital. clubrob6

1:22pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Fairfax Aches says...

tough crowd.
tough crowd. Fairfax Aches

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