Toxic buses could be banned from Brighton centre under low emission zone plan

Toxic buses could be banned from Brighton centre under low emission zone plan

Toxic buses could be banned from Brighton centre under low emission zone plan

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Polluting buses will be banned from a city centre with the introduction of a “low emission zone”.

Brighton and Hove City Council officers believe the restricted area would help to clampdown on harmful emissions in a city which has high air pollution levels, before hefty European fines are introduced.

It would mean only buses meeting strict guidelines can enter the zone covering the North Street and Western Road “bus corridor” between Old Steine and Palmeira Square.


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Council leaders claim the area, which will be introduced from January 1 2015, is the “next logical step” in tackling the issue.

Martin Harris, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said more than a third of its fleet will not meet the test in 12 months time.

But Mr Harris said he was confident it would not have “unintended consequences” for passengers, such as increased fares, reduced frequencies or disruption to the pattern of services.

Mr Harris said: “Almost every bus in our fleet needs to operate via the proposed low emission zone - because that is where the majority of customers want the services to go and that's why the stops in that corridor are the most heavily used by passengers in the city.

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“Our continued investment and the proposed phasing of the arrangements mean we will be able to maintain the services to and from the city centre that our customers require.”

The proposed zone, which will be licensed and monitored by the council, will only be restrictive for buses.

HGVs and taxis are excluded as many already meet EU standards.

Work will continue to educate taxi drivers on reducing emissions.

With a government grant contributing towards the costs, Green councillor Pete West said it would be a “cost effective way of improving air quality citywide as the buses entering the zone would also be travelling to other parts of the city”.

Brighton and Hove Buses will be the largest of four bus firms affected.

Mr Harris said the company currently has about 300 vehicles.

Of these, 100 comply with another 20 new buses expected be bought in 2014. A further 50 are expected to be retrofitted with catalytic converters, paid for with a government grant of £700,000.

Mr Harris said the remaining 130 vehicles would either be used outside the zone or have temporary licences until they could be replaced.

The issue will be discussed by the council’s transport committee on Tuesday. If agreed the local authority will apply for formal approval from the Government’s Traffic Commissioner.

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11:44am Fri 10 Jan 14

still waiting says...

Must be getting too cynical, maybe, but doesn't this sound like a cunning plan to get rid of competition from Brighton & Hove Bus Co ?
Must be getting too cynical, maybe, but doesn't this sound like a cunning plan to get rid of competition from Brighton & Hove Bus Co ? still waiting
  • Score: 6

11:56am Fri 10 Jan 14

CatoTheCat says...

"educate taxi drivers" ?? Inconceivable.
"educate taxi drivers" ?? Inconceivable. CatoTheCat
  • Score: 9

1:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

rolivan says...

All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.
All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams. rolivan
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

I just find this so ironical - the green led council encourage more buses in an attempt to promote a better environment by trying to get people to stop using their cars.

As a result the centre of Brighton is so full up with buses that the pollution levels now seem to be worse then they were before.

Perhaps as well as looking at having lower emission buses, the transport committee could also look at reducing the number of buses squeezing through the North Street/Western Road Corridor.

Recently Brighton & Hove Buses increased the frequency of buses on the number 6 and I believe the 12 routes. Hasn't this just made the situation worse? Do bus companies have to get council approval for changing bus schedules or are they given a free-hand?

Perhaps the frequency of buses should be reduced - especially during the non-commuter periods when buses seem to be mainly used by pensioners?

What will the Brighton Station improvements do to the situation?
I just find this so ironical - the green led council encourage more buses in an attempt to promote a better environment by trying to get people to stop using their cars. As a result the centre of Brighton is so full up with buses that the pollution levels now seem to be worse then they were before. Perhaps as well as looking at having lower emission buses, the transport committee could also look at reducing the number of buses squeezing through the North Street/Western Road Corridor. Recently Brighton & Hove Buses increased the frequency of buses on the number 6 and I believe the 12 routes. Hasn't this just made the situation worse? Do bus companies have to get council approval for changing bus schedules or are they given a free-hand? Perhaps the frequency of buses should be reduced - especially during the non-commuter periods when buses seem to be mainly used by pensioners? What will the Brighton Station improvements do to the situation? pachallis
  • Score: 5

3:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

rolivan wrote:
All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.
Why not bring back trolley buses, or how about the new electric buses being introduced in Milton Keynes - see http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/technology-256
67771?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.[/p][/quote]Why not bring back trolley buses, or how about the new electric buses being introduced in Milton Keynes - see http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/technology-256 67771? pachallis
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Of course the costs of upgrading the bus fleet to meet these restrictions will eventually fall on us as either passengers or tax payers, they always do.

Given that Brighton & Hove buses seem to be making a commitment to improve the emissions of their bus fleet anyway, does it perhaps seem that the proposals may be more aimed at stifling any competition from other bus operators?

As for excluding HGVs and taxis, how long do you suppose this concession will last? Once the bureaucrats have imposed one restriction, they won't rest until they have expanded its scope again and again. Anyway HGVs , buses and taxis all have to meet EU emission standards, with newer vehicles being far cleaner than older ones.
Of course the costs of upgrading the bus fleet to meet these restrictions will eventually fall on us as either passengers or tax payers, they always do. Given that Brighton & Hove buses seem to be making a commitment to improve the emissions of their bus fleet anyway, does it perhaps seem that the proposals may be more aimed at stifling any competition from other bus operators? As for excluding HGVs and taxis, how long do you suppose this concession will last? Once the bureaucrats have imposed one restriction, they won't rest until they have expanded its scope again and again. Anyway HGVs , buses and taxis all have to meet EU emission standards, with newer vehicles being far cleaner than older ones. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Sussex jim says...

rolivan wrote:
All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.
Bring back the trolleybus. No pollution (at least in the street) and no need to dig up the roads.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.[/p][/quote]Bring back the trolleybus. No pollution (at least in the street) and no need to dig up the roads. Sussex jim
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ghost bus driver says...

Yeah I'd be all for the return of trams. it would make it easier to rebuild that part of the old Steyning railway with a branch up there. I'd probably go for a job on them.
Yeah I'd be all for the return of trams. it would make it easier to rebuild that part of the old Steyning railway with a branch up there. I'd probably go for a job on them. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 2

8:54am Sat 11 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

And why are there dozens of number 25 buses heading to and from the uni every morning completely empty bumper to bumper.
And why are there dozens of number 25 buses heading to and from the uni every morning completely empty bumper to bumper. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 0

12:02pm Sat 11 Jan 14

petethehorn says...

this is what has come of cutting down the two lane's of traffic getting out of
Brighton to one lane up London road and one lane up Lewes road and the 20 MPH in the city thus keeping the traffic in the city for longer thus more pollution in the city but as the council cannot see past their nose's it will only get worse. and as for the hgv's they should only be able to unload between certain time's as other big city's and taxi's should have drop off point's out side of western road area so buses should be the only vehicle's on western road.
this is what has come of cutting down the two lane's of traffic getting out of Brighton to one lane up London road and one lane up Lewes road and the 20 MPH in the city thus keeping the traffic in the city for longer thus more pollution in the city but as the council cannot see past their nose's it will only get worse. and as for the hgv's they should only be able to unload between certain time's as other big city's and taxi's should have drop off point's out side of western road area so buses should be the only vehicle's on western road. petethehorn
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Sat 11 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

petethehorn wrote:
this is what has come of cutting down the two lane's of traffic getting out of
Brighton to one lane up London road and one lane up Lewes road and the 20 MPH in the city thus keeping the traffic in the city for longer thus more pollution in the city but as the council cannot see past their nose's it will only get worse. and as for the hgv's they should only be able to unload between certain time's as other big city's and taxi's should have drop off point's out side of western road area so buses should be the only vehicle's on western road.
Nothing to do with Lewes Rd as the LEZ covers Western and North Rd.
[quote][p][bold]petethehorn[/bold] wrote: this is what has come of cutting down the two lane's of traffic getting out of Brighton to one lane up London road and one lane up Lewes road and the 20 MPH in the city thus keeping the traffic in the city for longer thus more pollution in the city but as the council cannot see past their nose's it will only get worse. and as for the hgv's they should only be able to unload between certain time's as other big city's and taxi's should have drop off point's out side of western road area so buses should be the only vehicle's on western road.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with Lewes Rd as the LEZ covers Western and North Rd. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

9:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

mrpurplestorm says...

rolivan wrote:
All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.
yeah, terminate the buses to Shoreham, Portslade, Southwick, and Hangleton at the Old Steine. I'm sure anyone living in those areas won't be too put out
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: All they need do is terminate those that do not comply at the Steine and Palmeira and running those that do between and beyond . Just like they used to and what I and others have been suggesting for the last few years at least . Maybe the time has come albeit a bit late to reintroduce trams.[/p][/quote]yeah, terminate the buses to Shoreham, Portslade, Southwick, and Hangleton at the Old Steine. I'm sure anyone living in those areas won't be too put out mrpurplestorm
  • Score: 2

9:52pm Sat 11 Jan 14

mrpurplestorm says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
And why are there dozens of number 25 buses heading to and from the uni every morning completely empty bumper to bumper.
yes sometimes from the uni they are virtually empty, but you should try getting on a 25 at 9 or 11am, lecture times. You won't be able to. Some completely fill up between Palmeira and Churchill Square.They are like cattle trucks, and with a further 5000 students next year, the frequency will have to be increased further.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: And why are there dozens of number 25 buses heading to and from the uni every morning completely empty bumper to bumper.[/p][/quote]yes sometimes from the uni they are virtually empty, but you should try getting on a 25 at 9 or 11am, lecture times. You won't be able to. Some completely fill up between Palmeira and Churchill Square.They are like cattle trucks, and with a further 5000 students next year, the frequency will have to be increased further. mrpurplestorm
  • Score: 2

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