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Balcombe anti-fracking activists cleared of obstructing highway charges

The Argus: Balcombe anti-fracking activists cleared of obstructing highway charges Balcombe anti-fracking activists cleared of obstructing highway charges

Activists hailed a victory for freedom of protest after being acquitted of obstructing a highway.

The anti-fracking protesters were prosecuted after passively blockading the gates to drilling firm Cuadrilla in Balcombe.

But all charges against the ten defendants were dismissed yesterday after a three-day trial.


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They were arrested on July 26 amid a summer of protests against the drilling firm, which was testdrilling for oil and gas at the rural site.

Scores were arrested, including Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas, during a police operation costing £4 million.

Paul Deacon, 50, formerly of Selden Lane, Worthing; Samantha Duncan, 30, of Beaconsfield Villas, Brighton; Ian Freeston, 52, of Phoenix Place, Lewes; Ezra Lynch, 31, of Phoenix Place, Lewes; Mark Mansbridge, 51, of Paddock Road, Lewes; Richard Millar, 30, of Upper Gloucester Road, Brighton; Michael Atkins, 37, of Westbury; Frances Crack, 31, of Cardiff; Justin Preese, 44, of Pontypridd and Nancy Walker, 25, of London, were all cleared of obstructing the highway.

Mr Atkins was also cleared of assaulting a police constable by throwing tea at her.

Supporters cheered at BrightonMagistrates’ Court as District Judge William Ashworth delivered the verdicts.

Defence lawyers disputed an obstruction took place as the B2036 London Road at Balcombe was closed to traffic at the time.

The court heard how police used pressure point techniques against protesters, who had linked arms and were sitting on and around a large log.

The judge praised the protesters’ good character and said they had acted reasonably and with dignity.

Speaking outside court Mr Freeston said: “The gist of it was, were we unreasonable? Did we go over the top with our freedom to protest? The judge said we surfed very close to unreasonableness but he sided with us. We’re an interesting bunch of committed citizens and I think he saw that.”

Mr Millar added: “The judge accepted trucks were held up and we caused an obstruction but he said it wasn’t unreasonable. I hope other judges follow this lead and see we do have a right to protest.”

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12:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

Were their faces cleared of smugness too?
Were their faces cleared of smugness too? The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 0

12:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Cave Johnson says...

Does this imply the police assaulted them if they were not obstructing in the first place?
Does this imply the police assaulted them if they were not obstructing in the first place? Cave Johnson
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then.
Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 3

12:53pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

Cave Johnson wrote:
Does this imply the police assaulted them if they were not obstructing in the first place?
A good point.

Of course nothing will ever happen about that because 'justice' is often a one way street!

Equally the police officer at whom tea was allegedly thrown at apparently didn't appear. Why wasn't that officer subpoenaed to give evidence of such an accusation?

Surely there should be an offence of a police officer wasting police time!
[quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: Does this imply the police assaulted them if they were not obstructing in the first place?[/p][/quote]A good point. Of course nothing will ever happen about that because 'justice' is often a one way street! Equally the police officer at whom tea was allegedly thrown at apparently didn't appear. Why wasn't that officer subpoenaed to give evidence of such an accusation? Surely there should be an offence of a police officer wasting police time! whatone
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Fri 10 Jan 14

roystony says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then.
Exactly, they are cowards.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then.[/p][/quote]Exactly, they are cowards. roystony
  • Score: -2

2:30pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

roystony wrote:
Crystal Ball wrote:
Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then.
Exactly, they are cowards.
But they are still innocent of any crime...

Maybe you ought to be asking why certain police officers masked themselves and removed their ID's...

So are those police officers cowards or merely trying to escape 'justice'?

The rule of law is supposed to apply to everyone!
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Is the man on the far right of the picture too cowardly to show his face? Clearly not a "true believer" of the 'cause' then.[/p][/quote]Exactly, they are cowards.[/p][/quote]But they are still innocent of any crime... Maybe you ought to be asking why certain police officers masked themselves and removed their ID's... So are those police officers cowards or merely trying to escape 'justice'? The rule of law is supposed to apply to everyone! whatone
  • Score: 7

3:10pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

@roystony

"A few clever clogs here."

Clever than you it seems ;-)
@roystony "A few clever clogs here." Clever than you it seems ;-) whatone
  • Score: -4

3:11pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

Of course if the protesters had truly been peaceful and had not 'surfed very close to unreasonableness' then the large numbers of police and the resultant arrests would not have had to take place.

The policing cost could have been a lot lower and there could have been sensible discussions on the rights and wrongs of fracking.

As it was the protests caused extreme polarization of opinions and has apparently led to bad feelings between various groups of residents in Balcombe.

I feel sorry for the police as whatever they do always upsets one group or another. If they'd have done nothing at Balcombe then Cuadrilla would have claimed that they were being stopped from pursuing their legal business.

As it was I like the way that the anti-frackers caused delays to the drilling and then complained that Cuadrilla's drilling overran - priceless! Or is this what you call irony @whatone?
Of course if the protesters had truly been peaceful and had not 'surfed very close to unreasonableness' then the large numbers of police and the resultant arrests would not have had to take place. The policing cost could have been a lot lower and there could have been sensible discussions on the rights and wrongs of fracking. As it was the protests caused extreme polarization of opinions and has apparently led to bad feelings between various groups of residents in Balcombe. I feel sorry for the police as whatever they do always upsets one group or another. If they'd have done nothing at Balcombe then Cuadrilla would have claimed that they were being stopped from pursuing their legal business. As it was I like the way that the anti-frackers caused delays to the drilling and then complained that Cuadrilla's drilling overran - priceless! Or is this what you call irony @whatone? pachallis
  • Score: 8

3:11pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

Of course if the protesters had truly been peaceful and had not 'surfed very close to unreasonableness' then the large numbers of police and the resultant arrests would not have had to take place.

The policing cost could have been a lot lower and there could have been sensible discussions on the rights and wrongs of fracking.

As it was the protests caused extreme polarization of opinions and has apparently led to bad feelings between various groups of residents in Balcombe.

I feel sorry for the police as whatever they do always upsets one group or another. If they'd have done nothing at Balcombe then Cuadrilla would have claimed that they were being stopped from pursuing their legal business.

As it was I like the way that the anti-frackers caused delays to the drilling and then complained that Cuadrilla's drilling overran - priceless! Or is this what you call irony @whatone?
Of course if the protesters had truly been peaceful and had not 'surfed very close to unreasonableness' then the large numbers of police and the resultant arrests would not have had to take place. The policing cost could have been a lot lower and there could have been sensible discussions on the rights and wrongs of fracking. As it was the protests caused extreme polarization of opinions and has apparently led to bad feelings between various groups of residents in Balcombe. I feel sorry for the police as whatever they do always upsets one group or another. If they'd have done nothing at Balcombe then Cuadrilla would have claimed that they were being stopped from pursuing their legal business. As it was I like the way that the anti-frackers caused delays to the drilling and then complained that Cuadrilla's drilling overran - priceless! Or is this what you call irony @whatone? pachallis
  • Score: 7

3:30pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

@pachallis

Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'?

How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence.

What did that do for the 'policing costs'?

One law for the police/company and another for objectors?

One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one?

I would be interested in hearing your views on the above!
@pachallis Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'? How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence. What did that do for the 'policing costs'? One law for the police/company and another for objectors? One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one? I would be interested in hearing your views on the above! whatone
  • Score: -1

3:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

whatone wrote:
@pachallis

Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'?

How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence.

What did that do for the 'policing costs'?

One law for the police/company and another for objectors?

One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one?

I would be interested in hearing your views on the above!
@whatone - not sure why it appeared twice - I guess The Argus thought it so good it deserved repeating unlike the charm-free stuff you post. Did you get a refund?

Your other points - well apparently both Cuadrilla and the protesters acted lawfully. Has anyone decided to take Cuadrilla to court for the alleged overrun? If it matter so much to you then why don't you raise the issue with someone?

AFAIK Cuadrilla over-running for 2 months was due to protester action. So if Cuadrilla should have to pay a fine (not sure why though), then IMHO they should claim this back from the protesters who caused the delays. Simples!

In fact I think the protesters should also pay a proportion of the cost of providing the policing - alongside the rate payers and government.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'? How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence. What did that do for the 'policing costs'? One law for the police/company and another for objectors? One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one? I would be interested in hearing your views on the above![/p][/quote]@whatone - not sure why it appeared twice - I guess The Argus thought it so good it deserved repeating unlike the charm-free stuff you post. Did you get a refund? Your other points - well apparently both Cuadrilla and the protesters acted lawfully. Has anyone decided to take Cuadrilla to court for the alleged overrun? If it matter so much to you then why don't you raise the issue with someone? AFAIK Cuadrilla over-running for 2 months was due to protester action. So if Cuadrilla should have to pay a fine (not sure why though), then IMHO they should claim this back from the protesters who caused the delays. Simples! In fact I think the protesters should also pay a proportion of the cost of providing the policing - alongside the rate payers and government. pachallis
  • Score: 4

4:21pm Fri 10 Jan 14

roystony says...

whatone wrote:
@roystony

"A few clever clogs here."

Clever than you it seems ;-)
I love your wit.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @roystony "A few clever clogs here." Clever than you it seems ;-)[/p][/quote]I love your wit. roystony
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

@pachallis

You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law.

Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again!

Enjoy your bitter pints!
@pachallis You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law. Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again! Enjoy your bitter pints! whatone
  • Score: -7

5:04pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

roystony wrote:
whatone wrote:
@roystony

"A few clever clogs here."

Clever than you it seems ;-)
I love your wit.
Better having Wit than being a Twit ;-)
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @roystony "A few clever clogs here." Clever than you it seems ;-)[/p][/quote]I love your wit.[/p][/quote]Better having Wit than being a Twit ;-) whatone
  • Score: -4

5:28pm Fri 10 Jan 14

roystony says...

whatone wrote:
roystony wrote:
whatone wrote:
@roystony

"A few clever clogs here."

Clever than you it seems ;-)
I love your wit.
Better having Wit than being a Twit ;-)
Wow
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @roystony "A few clever clogs here." Clever than you it seems ;-)[/p][/quote]I love your wit.[/p][/quote]Better having Wit than being a Twit ;-)[/p][/quote]Wow roystony
  • Score: 2

7:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Good news! Glad to hear it.
Good news! Glad to hear it. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pachallis says...

whatone wrote:
@pachallis

You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law.

Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again!

Enjoy your bitter pints!
@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them.

You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults.

So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm.

You must be a green party supporter!
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law. Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again! Enjoy your bitter pints![/p][/quote]@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them. You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults. So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm. You must be a green party supporter! pachallis
  • Score: 7

8:17pm Fri 10 Jan 14

whatone says...

pachallis wrote:
whatone wrote:
@pachallis

You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law.

Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again!

Enjoy your bitter pints!
@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them.

You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults.

So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm.

You must be a green party supporter!
@pachallis

I've answered every question you've asked...

But sadly because you don't like the answers you come back with even more b ullshit!

I have tried to accomodate your lack of knowledge, but your last line about 'You must be a green party supporter' just about sums up your approach...

When confronted with someone who has repeatedly shown you up, you blame the green party...

You are like so many other broken records on this website...

And FYI I reckon the greens are just as bad as any other political party you care to mention.

Is that simple enough for you?

Probably not ;-)
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law. Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again! Enjoy your bitter pints![/p][/quote]@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them. You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults. So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm. You must be a green party supporter![/p][/quote]@pachallis I've answered every question you've asked... But sadly because you don't like the answers you come back with even more b ullshit! I have tried to accomodate your lack of knowledge, but your last line about 'You must be a green party supporter' just about sums up your approach... When confronted with someone who has repeatedly shown you up, you blame the green party... You are like so many other broken records on this website... And FYI I reckon the greens are just as bad as any other political party you care to mention. Is that simple enough for you? Probably not ;-) whatone
  • Score: -3

8:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

vocallocal2 says...

whatone wrote:
@pachallis

Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'?

How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence.

What did that do for the 'policing costs'?

One law for the police/company and another for objectors?

One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one?

I would be interested in hearing your views on the above!
Can you please explain which licence you think CUadrilla overran by 2 months? I believe all licences at Lower Stumble remain in place and current. The drilling rig was removed on the day before the planning permission ran out.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'? How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence. What did that do for the 'policing costs'? One law for the police/company and another for objectors? One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one? I would be interested in hearing your views on the above![/p][/quote]Can you please explain which licence you think CUadrilla overran by 2 months? I believe all licences at Lower Stumble remain in place and current. The drilling rig was removed on the day before the planning permission ran out. vocallocal2
  • Score: 5

8:27pm Fri 10 Jan 14

vocallocal2 says...

whatone wrote:
@pachallis

Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'?

How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence.

What did that do for the 'policing costs'?

One law for the police/company and another for objectors?

One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one?

I would be interested in hearing your views on the above!
Can you please explain which licence you think CUadrilla overran by 2 months? I believe all licences at Lower Stumble remain in place and current. The drilling rig was removed on the day before the planning permission ran out.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis Your post was 'so bad you had to say it twice'? How about you address the point that Cuadrilla carried on drilling for 2 months beyond their licence. What did that do for the 'policing costs'? One law for the police/company and another for objectors? One cost for the public purse and no cost for the corporate one? I would be interested in hearing your views on the above![/p][/quote]Can you please explain which licence you think CUadrilla overran by 2 months? I believe all licences at Lower Stumble remain in place and current. The drilling rig was removed on the day before the planning permission ran out. vocallocal2
  • Score: 4

9:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
whatone wrote:
@pachallis

You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law.

Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again!

Enjoy your bitter pints!
@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them.

You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults.

So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm.

You must be a green party supporter!
Ha ha, pot calls kettle black. If anyone could be bothered to surf a few of your previous posts they will find you are no stranger to insults.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law. Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again! Enjoy your bitter pints![/p][/quote]@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them. You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults. So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm. You must be a green party supporter![/p][/quote]Ha ha, pot calls kettle black. If anyone could be bothered to surf a few of your previous posts they will find you are no stranger to insults. HJarrs
  • Score: -7

9:38pm Fri 10 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance.

Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil.

I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day.
I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance. Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil. I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

10:49pm Fri 10 Jan 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Brilliant news - well done to this judge.

The police should be sued for wrongful arrests.
Brilliant news - well done to this judge. The police should be sued for wrongful arrests. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 2

11:14am Sat 11 Jan 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
whatone wrote:
@pachallis

You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law.

Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again!

Enjoy your bitter pints!
@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them.

You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults.

So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm.

You must be a green party supporter!
Ha ha, pot calls kettle black. If anyone could be bothered to surf a few of your previous posts they will find you are no stranger to insults.
@HJarrs - I wondered when you would appear - yes - I do 'insult' a number of induhviduals - but you mainly, together with those incompetent, idealistic, irresponsible green council leaders on Brighton & Hove City council that you staunchly support..

Still good to see the the mass ranks of the HJarrs 'appreciation society' are already downrating your posts.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @pachallis You and amboguy should get together in a pub sometime and try and work out how you will completely abolish the rule of law. Thankfully there are enough people around who still believe in that principle, and you will end up as the losers again! Enjoy your bitter pints![/p][/quote]@whatone - so you ask me some questions, and I respond to them. You haven't managed to comment on anything I wrote - all you can do is come back with insults. So this is the caliber of the anti-frackers that we have come to love - technically, economically and legally naive - unable to have a reasoned, civilized discussion or debate - irresponsible and totally lacking in wit and charm. You must be a green party supporter![/p][/quote]Ha ha, pot calls kettle black. If anyone could be bothered to surf a few of your previous posts they will find you are no stranger to insults.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - I wondered when you would appear - yes - I do 'insult' a number of induhviduals - but you mainly, together with those incompetent, idealistic, irresponsible green council leaders on Brighton & Hove City council that you staunchly support.. Still good to see the the mass ranks of the HJarrs 'appreciation society' are already downrating your posts. pachallis
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

whatone wrote:
@roystony

"A few clever clogs here."

Clever than you it seems ;-)
'Clever' than you it seems????

I see your grammar is as advanced as I'd have expected.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: @roystony "A few clever clogs here." Clever than you it seems ;-)[/p][/quote]'Clever' than you it seems???? I see your grammar is as advanced as I'd have expected. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Brilliant news - well done to this judge.

The police should be sued for wrongful arrests.
Yes that's right - sue sue sue, sue everyone. Compensation culture is such a great thing.

Ensure that the 'something for nothing' take take take culture thrives and the protesters grab whatever money they can. Obviously it's ultimately the tax payer who'll foot the bill but don't let that out you off.

You must be very proud of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news - well done to this judge. The police should be sued for wrongful arrests.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right - sue sue sue, sue everyone. Compensation culture is such a great thing. Ensure that the 'something for nothing' take take take culture thrives and the protesters grab whatever money they can. Obviously it's ultimately the tax payer who'll foot the bill but don't let that out you off. You must be very proud of yourself. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 5

1:47pm Sat 11 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

HJarrs wrote:
I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance.

Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil.

I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day.
I don't know why this is thumbed down. All major changes for the betterment of social man as opposed to capitalist man have had to be fought for.

Sometimes the words of Howard Zinn just scream at me and I paraphrase ... The real threat to Democracy is not Civil Disobedience but Civil Obedience!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance. Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil. I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day.[/p][/quote]I don't know why this is thumbed down. All major changes for the betterment of social man as opposed to capitalist man have had to be fought for. Sometimes the words of Howard Zinn just scream at me and I paraphrase ... The real threat to Democracy is not Civil Disobedience but Civil Obedience! mimseycal
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3:21pm Sat 11 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

mimseycal wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance.

Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil.

I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day.
I don't know why this is thumbed down. All major changes for the betterment of social man as opposed to capitalist man have had to be fought for.

Sometimes the words of Howard Zinn just scream at me and I paraphrase ... The real threat to Democracy is not Civil Disobedience but Civil Obedience!
Yes, very well put.

I never bother thumbing nor generally look at them.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I am glad that the anti-fracking demonstrators have been found not guilty of the charges brought. The little person has pretty much no chance against big business interests other than to physically act and use their bodies in an act of defiance. Almost no major change in history has come without some form of direct action, be it to achieve and maintain our meagre rights at work, end the disgraceful poll tax, fight for the vote for women, the local protest in the 90s at Shoreham against the cruel transporting of animals, pressure applied to prevent more nuclear weapons on UK soil. I think we should see those anti-fracking protests in the same light as they are being made in the name of raising awareness of the devastating climate change (and a lot more besides!) that we face. I am also pleasantly suprised that we have a local MP that does not fear putting themselves on the line for the great issue of the day.[/p][/quote]I don't know why this is thumbed down. All major changes for the betterment of social man as opposed to capitalist man have had to be fought for. Sometimes the words of Howard Zinn just scream at me and I paraphrase ... The real threat to Democracy is not Civil Disobedience but Civil Obedience![/p][/quote]Yes, very well put. I never bother thumbing nor generally look at them. HJarrs
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