Brighton cafe next to alcohol addiction centre gets late licence

The Argus: Brighton cafe next to alcohol addiction centre gets late licence Brighton cafe next to alcohol addiction centre gets late licence

A cafe has been given permission to serve alcohol until midnight every day – despite fears it could tempt recovering addicts living just yards away.

Metropolis in Preston Road, Brighton, can now serve alcohol seven days a week – a decision which has been greeted with horror by the managers of a neighbouring treatment centre.

Despite a plea it would “seriously undermine” Brighton Housing Trust (BHT) Recovery Project’s work, members of a Brighton and Hove City Council licensing committee said it had no choice but to grant the application at a town hall meeting yesterday.


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The proposal from cafe owner Hasan Tanc to serve alcohol from 10am to midnight every day at the venue was opposed by the neighbouring 26-bedroom residential treatment centre for men and women in the early stages of recovery from addiction.

In submitting an objection Brian Sudway, manager of Recovery Centre BHT, said: “I have spoken with some of our residents and they feel very strongly that this would be extremely counterproductive to their desire to establish and maintain a recovery focus.”

He added the “associated sights and sounds” would be visible and audible to clients throughout the day and night.

He said it would “seriously undermine the very sensitive work being done to help people who have just started on the path to abstinence-based recovery from addiction to alcohol and other drugs”.

Three other people also opposed the plans.

Writing to the local authority, Nick Hirst, of Preston Road, Brighton, said: “As a neighbour, I have enjoyed peace and quiet for the last 22 years until six months ago when Mr Tanc acquired the premises during which time I have been kept awake on at least three occasions.”

But, after the application was approved, Coun Dee Simson, chairman of the council’s licensing panel, said: “Unfortunately there was nothing in the policy that gave us grounds to refuse it.

“It was a really difficult one – sometimes your heart tells you one thing but your head says another.”

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8:36am Tue 14 Jan 14

qm says...

"But, after the application was approved, Coun Dee Simson, chairman of the council’s licensing panel, said: “Unfortunately there was nothing in the policy that gave us grounds to refuse it."

An iota of common sense would have helped, the absence of which would appear to be sadly lacking in the Council representation of the community regardless of political persuasion!
"But, after the application was approved, Coun Dee Simson, chairman of the council’s licensing panel, said: “Unfortunately there was nothing in the policy that gave us grounds to refuse it." An iota of common sense would have helped, the absence of which would appear to be sadly lacking in the Council representation of the community regardless of political persuasion! qm

8:55am Tue 14 Jan 14

s&k says...

To quote: "members of a Brighton and Hove City Council licensing committee said it had no choice but to grant the application." Why? And if that's the case then what's the point of this committee? How appalling and insensitive but it shows who's running this city's economy - breweries, bars and clubs. No wonder it's a war zone every weekend.
To quote: "members of a Brighton and Hove City Council licensing committee said it had no choice but to grant the application." Why? And if that's the case then what's the point of this committee? How appalling and insensitive but it shows who's running this city's economy - breweries, bars and clubs. No wonder it's a war zone every weekend. s&k

9:11am Tue 14 Jan 14

rayellerton says...

Give licencing back to the magistrates who have no other agenda....the council make a fortune from licencing that's why the town centre is wall to wall alcohol outlets...
Give licencing back to the magistrates who have no other agenda....the council make a fortune from licencing that's why the town centre is wall to wall alcohol outlets... rayellerton

9:25am Tue 14 Jan 14

Notters_Seagull says...

qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim.
qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim. Notters_Seagull

9:43am Tue 14 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

My attitude is why should this center have a bearing what what this cafe can and cannot do?

Why should this cafe lose out on money because there's a few alcies in the building nextdoor? If the cafe wasn't selling until midnight then they'd only have to go another 30 feet up the road to find somewhere selling booze that is.

It's a free country and I'm sure if it was a Mosque that had complained about a cafe nextdoor serving alcohol there would be a very different reaction on the comments page by all the people against the extended opening times.
My attitude is why should this center have a bearing what what this cafe can and cannot do? Why should this cafe lose out on money because there's a few alcies in the building nextdoor? If the cafe wasn't selling until midnight then they'd only have to go another 30 feet up the road to find somewhere selling booze that is. It's a free country and I'm sure if it was a Mosque that had complained about a cafe nextdoor serving alcohol there would be a very different reaction on the comments page by all the people against the extended opening times. Ambo Guy

10:15am Tue 14 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

Perhaps the city centre is not the place for this centre,i don't think the café should lose out if people want to drink they probably go to the supermarket chains for cheap booze that open all hours.Because someone has an addiction problem it should not effect how the rest of us live.And the comment about a mosque I would say the same thing it should not dictate what goes on around about it.
Perhaps the city centre is not the place for this centre,i don't think the café should lose out if people want to drink they probably go to the supermarket chains for cheap booze that open all hours.Because someone has an addiction problem it should not effect how the rest of us live.And the comment about a mosque I would say the same thing it should not dictate what goes on around about it. clubrob6

10:25am Tue 14 Jan 14

qm says...

Notters_Seagull wrote:
qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim.
So that's not a decision then is it! It's a logical conclusion based on pre-defined precepts that could be performed by a very simple piece of software which would save the taxpayer hard-earned cash and make an apparently superfluous 'committee' redundant!
There is no point in including human intervention in the process if that intervention does not include humanity the lack of which is in part contributory to the ills we have in society. Too many jobsworths addicted to rules and not enough common sense and moral fibre!
[quote][p][bold]Notters_Seagull[/bold] wrote: qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim.[/p][/quote]So that's not a decision then is it! It's a logical conclusion based on pre-defined precepts that could be performed by a very simple piece of software which would save the taxpayer hard-earned cash and make an apparently superfluous 'committee' redundant! There is no point in including human intervention in the process if that intervention does not include humanity the lack of which is in part contributory to the ills we have in society. Too many jobsworths addicted to rules and not enough common sense and moral fibre! qm

12:52pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Cave Johnson says...

I expect people complained about the addiction centre's application to be there, and no doubt the centre rejected their concerns. Well the shoe is on the other foot now.
I expect people complained about the addiction centre's application to be there, and no doubt the centre rejected their concerns. Well the shoe is on the other foot now. Cave Johnson

1:24pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Wiggsy says...

Given that there are 200+ pubs and bars in Brighton its likely that someone in recovery is living near licensed premises anyway so unsure what the story is other than the irony of it.
Given that there are 200+ pubs and bars in Brighton its likely that someone in recovery is living near licensed premises anyway so unsure what the story is other than the irony of it. Wiggsy

1:33pm Tue 14 Jan 14

simonandrewuk says...

Whilst I have every sympathy and respect for recovering addicts we must remember there are 3 pubs in the immediate vicinity too - Circus Circus, The Signalman and The Argyle Arms. Part of the recovery process I should imagine lies in not giving in to temptation.
Whilst I have every sympathy and respect for recovering addicts we must remember there are 3 pubs in the immediate vicinity too - Circus Circus, The Signalman and The Argyle Arms. Part of the recovery process I should imagine lies in not giving in to temptation. simonandrewuk

5:05pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

Then why do we need another pub or bar if the city has over 200 already. Surely it's privilege being granted a late night licence not a god given right esp given the surrounding area. The licensing committee want their heads examining . Very few patrons of a late night drinking venue rarely leave without making noise. Surely walking up west street late at night might give them a clue. Tho were are talking common sense and the council. Hardly used in the same sentence.
Without sounding too crude it's like putting a half way house for ex child offenders next to a school.
Then why do we need another pub or bar if the city has over 200 already. Surely it's privilege being granted a late night licence not a god given right esp given the surrounding area. The licensing committee want their heads examining . Very few patrons of a late night drinking venue rarely leave without making noise. Surely walking up west street late at night might give them a clue. Tho were are talking common sense and the council. Hardly used in the same sentence. Without sounding too crude it's like putting a half way house for ex child offenders next to a school. Pheasant pluckers son

7:45pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Andy Winter says...

As the chief executive of Brighton Housing Trust that runs the Recovery project, I would like to give a response to some of the comments above. The use of the phrase 'alcies' (sic) is unfortunate. The residents of the Recovery Project are men and women in recovery. All are alcohol and drug free and are building the skills to sustain their recovery before returning to training, education and employment. If someone you care about has an addiction, I am sure you would be happy that Brighton and Hove has a centre such as this that provides hope and recovery.

As the manager of the service at the time we applied for planning permission, there were just four objections, all relating to design, not the use of the land. Our application was successful because of our record of running a well-managed and effective service.

I am sorry that the panel had so few options available when considering this application. The relaxation of licensing regulations a decade or so ago has had a terrible impact on many communities, such as the residential neighbours of this cafe.

Andy Winter
Chief Executive
Brighton Housing Trust
As the chief executive of Brighton Housing Trust that runs the Recovery project, I would like to give a response to some of the comments above. The use of the phrase 'alcies' (sic) is unfortunate. The residents of the Recovery Project are men and women in recovery. All are alcohol and drug free and are building the skills to sustain their recovery before returning to training, education and employment. If someone you care about has an addiction, I am sure you would be happy that Brighton and Hove has a centre such as this that provides hope and recovery. As the manager of the service at the time we applied for planning permission, there were just four objections, all relating to design, not the use of the land. Our application was successful because of our record of running a well-managed and effective service. I am sorry that the panel had so few options available when considering this application. The relaxation of licensing regulations a decade or so ago has had a terrible impact on many communities, such as the residential neighbours of this cafe. Andy Winter Chief Executive Brighton Housing Trust Andy Winter

11:01am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

Notters_Seagull wrote:
qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim.
If this is democracy then change the rules.. Look at the govenment! they do it on a daily basis sometimes misusing democracy..
[quote][p][bold]Notters_Seagull[/bold] wrote: qm / s&m - planning decisions are made by a set of pre-defined rules. They can't make these decisions on a whim.[/p][/quote]If this is democracy then change the rules.. Look at the govenment! they do it on a daily basis sometimes misusing democracy.. Zorniza

11:03am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

"Why should this cafe lose out on money because there's a few alcies in the building nextdoor? If the cafe wasn't selling until midnight then they'd only have to go another 30 feet up the road to find somewhere selling booze that is. "

Because we live in a community not in single air-tight cells.
"Why should this cafe lose out on money because there's a few alcies in the building nextdoor? If the cafe wasn't selling until midnight then they'd only have to go another 30 feet up the road to find somewhere selling booze that is. " Because we live in a community not in single air-tight cells. Zorniza

8:01am Fri 17 Jan 14

nickhirst999 says...

Firstly I'd like to thank both Andy Winter and Brian Sudway of BHT for voicing their concerns over this matter and I'd firstly like to take issue with Cave Johnson's suggestion that people complained about The Recovery Project Centre's application to open. As a matter of fact, nobody did except for the point which Andy Winter makes in his post. Sorry Cave but the shoe is not on the other foot.

The Recovery Centre is opposite my kitchen window of the property where I have lived for the last 22 years. I still have the letter from 1999 from Brighton Borough Council's planning dept (as it was then) and I had no objections.

I can absolutely say that in the 15 years The Recovery Centre has existed, there has been absolutely no trouble whatsoever from any of the residents of the Centre and I personally consider the Centre to be an asset to the community and I have always backed it to the hilt.

To Clubrob6: The Recovery Centre is NOT in the "city centre" (or Town Centre as those of us who were born in Brighton call it). It is on the outskirts of town and your comparison with a mosque is frankly ridiculous.

To be continued......

Nick Hirst
48 Preston Road
Firstly I'd like to thank both Andy Winter and Brian Sudway of BHT for voicing their concerns over this matter and I'd firstly like to take issue with Cave Johnson's suggestion that people complained about The Recovery Project Centre's application to open. As a matter of fact, nobody did except for the point which Andy Winter makes in his post. Sorry Cave but the shoe is not on the other foot. The Recovery Centre is opposite my kitchen window of the property where I have lived for the last 22 years. I still have the letter from 1999 from Brighton Borough Council's planning dept (as it was then) and I had no objections. I can absolutely say that in the 15 years The Recovery Centre has existed, there has been absolutely no trouble whatsoever from any of the residents of the Centre and I personally consider the Centre to be an asset to the community and I have always backed it to the hilt. To Clubrob6: The Recovery Centre is NOT in the "city centre" (or Town Centre as those of us who were born in Brighton call it). It is on the outskirts of town and your comparison with a mosque is frankly ridiculous. To be continued...... Nick Hirst 48 Preston Road nickhirst999

11:18am Fri 17 Jan 14

nickhirst999 says...

continued.....

Furthermore,

To: simonandrewuk

You make a valid point, Simon but you clearly do NOT realise the implications of this as indeed the licensing team apparently failed to grasp. That is:

That the pubs you mention are NOT directly facing either me or BHT's Recovery Project, whereas the garden of Metropolis IS! And in MY case their kitchen and toilet ARE! They are DIRECTLY underneath my bedroom window!

The Pubs you refer to ie The Signalman (formerly The Railway) and Circus Circus (formerly The Stanley Arms) are some way from The Recovery Project Centre.

From my front door to the nearest pub The Argyle is 120 of my own paces and NOT visible from where I live. I have just counted that from The Recovery Project Centre's front door is a mere 18 paces from my kitchen window and therefore the same to Mr Tanc's backside.

Do you people not understand?

These councillors make me utterly, utterly sick.

So, you are saying that the whole meeting was unnecessary?

Sven Rufus....you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself! Come the next election, the 'green party' will sink without trace!

N
continued..... Furthermore, To: simonandrewuk You make a valid point, Simon but you clearly do NOT realise the implications of this as indeed the licensing team apparently failed to grasp. That is: That the pubs you mention are NOT directly facing either me or BHT's Recovery Project, whereas the garden of Metropolis IS! And in MY case their kitchen and toilet ARE! They are DIRECTLY underneath my bedroom window! The Pubs you refer to ie The Signalman (formerly The Railway) and Circus Circus (formerly The Stanley Arms) are some way from The Recovery Project Centre. From my front door to the nearest pub The Argyle is 120 of my own paces and NOT visible from where I live. I have just counted that from The Recovery Project Centre's front door is a mere 18 paces from my kitchen window and therefore the same to Mr Tanc's backside. Do you people not understand? These councillors make me utterly, utterly sick. So, you are saying that the whole meeting was unnecessary? Sven Rufus....you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself! Come the next election, the 'green party' will sink without trace! N nickhirst999

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