New plans to make historic Lanes area in Brighton car-free

The Argus: Green light to make historic Lanes area in Brighton car-free Green light to make historic Lanes area in Brighton car-free

Revised plans to make a historic area “car-free” are set to get the goahead.

Brighton and Hove City Council has spent four years drawing up plans to cut down the number of vehicles using roads in the heart of The Lanes.

But, after four out of seven orders were rejected by a government inspector at public inquiry, the local authority has now drafted a new scheme.

With the new plan still excluding vehicles from the city’s historic heart for most of the day, officials believe it will make the area more pedestrian friendly, boost trade and end rat-running.

 


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Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment committee, said: “This will be a huge benefit for the shops and restaurants in this area, encouraging people to linger and browse around in a much more peaceful and pleasant environment.

“It will effectively extend The Lanes southwards bringing that historic but buzzing atmosphere to another group of streets.

“Everywhere we’ve had pedestrianisation or car-free hours has brought improvement – from North Laine to George Street in Hove. I’m certain the same will happen here.”

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Orders to close the north section of Ship Street between 11am and 8am, closing the middle part of East Street to all traffic between 11am and 7pm each day, and banning lorries from the whole area after 11am have already been agreed by the inspector.

The council has nowdrawn up additional revised plans to complete the scheme.

This includes redesigning the proposal to direct traffic down Little East Street to make it safer.

Officials added the East Street order will only be implemented when the changes have been agreed.

Elsewhere, the council said it would wait to assess the impact of the Ship Street order before looking again to close a section of Prince Albert Street.

A proposal to close Boyce’s Street to through traffic was agreed before the public inquiry but plans to restrict access to Brill’s Lane have now been dropped.

Conservative councillor Graham Cox supported the scheme but was disappointed there was no “shared space” element, similar to New Road.

Labour councillor Gill Mitchell said the plans were in a “bit of a mess”.

The revised scheme, which will be paid for out of an £80,000 budget, will be discussed by councillors today.

If approved, then a consultation on the new proposal will take place.

Work on Ship Street is expected to be completed in March, with the HGV ban coming into force at the same time.

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1:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Fantastic, long overdue
Fantastic, long overdue gheese77

1:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over Brighton1000

2:36pm Tue 14 Jan 14

aat99 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ! aat99

2:40pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads. Brighton1000

3:20pm Tue 14 Jan 14

D.T.W. says...

Pete West needs to get a new job, Just how does he justify saying "this will be a huge benefit for the shops and restaurants in this area" now when I was at school shops and restaurants need stock to survive and I don't think we are going to see a restaurant owner walking down ship st with half a lamb on his shoulder.
Pete West needs to get a new job, Just how does he justify saying "this will be a huge benefit for the shops and restaurants in this area" now when I was at school shops and restaurants need stock to survive and I don't think we are going to see a restaurant owner walking down ship st with half a lamb on his shoulder. D.T.W.

3:27pm Tue 14 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization gheese77

4:14pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization[/p][/quote]No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true. Brighton1000

4:20pm Tue 14 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.
Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization[/p][/quote]No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.[/p][/quote]Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere. gheese77

4:26pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.
Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.
I remember it well
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization[/p][/quote]No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.[/p][/quote]Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I remember it well Brighton1000

4:48pm Tue 14 Jan 14

aat99 says...

D.T.W. wrote:
Pete West needs to get a new job, Just how does he justify saying "this will be a huge benefit for the shops and restaurants in this area" now when I was at school shops and restaurants need stock to survive and I don't think we are going to see a restaurant owner walking down ship st with half a lamb on his shoulder.
read the proposals ... the re are times when lorries can deliver ... it's funny how this works fine in other European cities ..

maybe you just are too lazy to walk to Pizza Express ?
[quote][p][bold]D.T.W.[/bold] wrote: Pete West needs to get a new job, Just how does he justify saying "this will be a huge benefit for the shops and restaurants in this area" now when I was at school shops and restaurants need stock to survive and I don't think we are going to see a restaurant owner walking down ship st with half a lamb on his shoulder.[/p][/quote]read the proposals ... the re are times when lorries can deliver ... it's funny how this works fine in other European cities .. maybe you just are too lazy to walk to Pizza Express ? aat99

5:26pm Tue 14 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.
Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.
I remember it well
Yes - back then a walk up western road could be like a scene from Mad Max
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization[/p][/quote]No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.[/p][/quote]Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I remember it well[/p][/quote]Yes - back then a walk up western road could be like a scene from Mad Max gheese77

9:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over
Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway !
Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.
Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization
No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.
Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.
I remember it well
Yes - back then a walk up western road could be like a scene from Mad Max
Now its like a scene from the middle east!
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: excellent news, more space for the drunks and homeless to hang out without getting run over[/p][/quote]Mr Negative .... if you follow your logic .. lets just may every road in Brighton an 8 lane highway ![/p][/quote]Not at all, Just realistic and true. Look at New Road since it was pedestrianised. Im all for nice areas, and not for turning Brighton in one big road. The reality is, this will be used by the down and outs for daytime bingeing, and local crack heads.[/p][/quote]Are you saying there were no drunks before New Road was pedestrianised ? I think street drinkers are attracted by benches not pedestrianization[/p][/quote]No Im saying that since it was pedestrianised it is full of drunks, Im not making this up, Its a fact, Please take a walk along there its for all to see. And yes before it was pedestrianised they weren't there. This will follow suit when the Lanes are fully pedestrianised. Again, its a fact, Im not trying to make a negative point, I wish it wasnt true.[/p][/quote]Yes but its nothing to do with pedestrianization! Drunks don't care if there are cars or not but they do want somewhere to sit, preferably with a roof. 20 years ago it was Norfolk square bus stop, there was a long bus shelter their with a long bench which would be covered with drunks every morning. Once they took the shelter away the drunks went elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I remember it well[/p][/quote]Yes - back then a walk up western road could be like a scene from Mad Max[/p][/quote]Now its like a scene from the middle east! Brighton1000

10:37pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Saltdean Resident says...

Looking forward to this, progress at last! As I've said before I've travelled to many cities around the UK, and Brighton, for its size has one of the least amount of pedestrian space in its city centre. Even my tiny home town of Truro has more pedestrian space.
Looking forward to this, progress at last! As I've said before I've travelled to many cities around the UK, and Brighton, for its size has one of the least amount of pedestrian space in its city centre. Even my tiny home town of Truro has more pedestrian space. Saltdean Resident

12:46am Wed 15 Jan 14

brightonpip says...

Cue a spat between the petrol heads and anti car brigade. Surely this is about making the area safer and more attractive to pedestrians whether they be locals or visitors. This area has some of the narrowest streets in the city and at busy times pedestrians are frequently forced to walk in the roads. This seems like a sensible compromise, allowing deliveries and service access to local homes and businesses then handing over the streets to shoppers and other pedestrians for the remainder of the day. Sure there will be teething problems to iron out but at least this is a positive step in the right direction.
Cue a spat between the petrol heads and anti car brigade. Surely this is about making the area safer and more attractive to pedestrians whether they be locals or visitors. This area has some of the narrowest streets in the city and at busy times pedestrians are frequently forced to walk in the roads. This seems like a sensible compromise, allowing deliveries and service access to local homes and businesses then handing over the streets to shoppers and other pedestrians for the remainder of the day. Sure there will be teething problems to iron out but at least this is a positive step in the right direction. brightonpip

12:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

About time too. Can't happen soon enough.
About time too. Can't happen soon enough. Gribbet

1:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

MrDavis says...

Im all for this. Hopefully they will stop cars cutting through North Laine.
Im all for this. Hopefully they will stop cars cutting through North Laine. MrDavis

1:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

billy goat-gruff says...

About time too - and the 'pedestrian zone' already in place in the North Laine, particularly Sidney Street, needs to be enforced properly.
About time too - and the 'pedestrian zone' already in place in the North Laine, particularly Sidney Street, needs to be enforced properly. billy goat-gruff

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