Southwick tunnel reopens following A27 crash

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UPDATE: The Southwick Tunnel has reopened following a crash which caused long delays on the A27 this morning.

Police reported two vehicles collided on the westbound carriageway.

Two people are said to be injured but their injuries are not thought to be serious.

The Southwick Tunnel was initially closed in both directions. The eastbound carriageway was quickly reopened, while the westbound stayed closed until mid-morning. 

Drivers are advised to seek alternative routes.


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8:25am Wed 15 Jan 14

Made In Sussex says...

Who are these idiots who cannot drive through a tunnel without causing an accident and holding up 1000's of people trying to go about their business.
If your reading this and you caused this then you deserve a slap.

Where is the CCTV in an area which experiences the highest number of incidents on thgis stretch of the A27?

Its about time these idiots were properly punished, if you cant drive through a normaltunnel which is well lit and sign posted then you dont deserve to own and drive a car.
Who are these idiots who cannot drive through a tunnel without causing an accident and holding up 1000's of people trying to go about their business. If your reading this and you caused this then you deserve a slap. Where is the CCTV in an area which experiences the highest number of incidents on thgis stretch of the A27? Its about time these idiots were properly punished, if you cant drive through a normaltunnel which is well lit and sign posted then you dont deserve to own and drive a car. Made In Sussex
  • Score: 61

8:36am Wed 15 Jan 14

Indigatio says...

Have they closed BOTH carriageways and if so why?
BBC travel website says that only the Westbound is closed.
There is nothing wrong with this stretch of road. Its the idiots that are allowed to have driving licences these days. When I was a lad..............
Seriously though, there is something wrong with people in general these days. There is too much traffic, no enough consideration for others, everyone thinks they are an expert and everyone else is an idiot.
I cycled to work this morning, (Shoreham to Hove along the Old Shoreham Road) first time since Xmas as I haven't been well. It was dark, wet and windy, but I loved it. So much more relaxing than the drives I've had to work over the last couple of weeks.
Have they closed BOTH carriageways and if so why? BBC travel website says that only the Westbound is closed. There is nothing wrong with this stretch of road. Its the idiots that are allowed to have driving licences these days. When I was a lad.............. Seriously though, there is something wrong with people in general these days. There is too much traffic, no enough consideration for others, everyone thinks they are an expert and everyone else is an idiot. I cycled to work this morning, (Shoreham to Hove along the Old Shoreham Road) first time since Xmas as I haven't been well. It was dark, wet and windy, but I loved it. So much more relaxing than the drives I've had to work over the last couple of weeks. Indigatio
  • Score: 3

8:37am Wed 15 Jan 14

spa301 says...

Having been caught up in the latest incident on this road I can only agree with 'made in sussex' . There is nothing wrong with this road. The problem lies with excess speed and poor driving skills. At rush hour it is a fast and aggressive stretch of road that requires total concentration to avoid the idiots.
I would suggest this is a prime stretch of road for an average speed monitoring system.
Having been caught up in the latest incident on this road I can only agree with 'made in sussex' . There is nothing wrong with this road. The problem lies with excess speed and poor driving skills. At rush hour it is a fast and aggressive stretch of road that requires total concentration to avoid the idiots. I would suggest this is a prime stretch of road for an average speed monitoring system. spa301
  • Score: 29

8:55am Wed 15 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.
The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself. Crystal Ball
  • Score: -16

9:04am Wed 15 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Some of the accidents may be caused by drivers not concentrating because they are fiddling with their radios and mobile phones as they lose reception in the tunnel.
Some of the accidents may be caused by drivers not concentrating because they are fiddling with their radios and mobile phones as they lose reception in the tunnel. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 26

9:06am Wed 15 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

I am terrified at the very words I'm typing here, but this is a great spot for a speed camera.

Yuk. I feel like I need a wash after that.

Still, there are a disproportionate amount of accidents in the tunnel, for the 4.2 hours of the year it's actually open that is.
I am terrified at the very words I'm typing here, but this is a great spot for a speed camera. Yuk. I feel like I need a wash after that. Still, there are a disproportionate amount of accidents in the tunnel, for the 4.2 hours of the year it's actually open that is. JerryOnly
  • Score: 23

9:34am Wed 15 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Westbound some drivers seem to slow as they reach the 'brow' of the road in the tunnel. Do they imagine the tunnel is two-way or what?
Eastbound many others seem to floor the gas pedal and then on emerging find the slight right curve catches them out.
Please! - no average speed or similar cameras otherwise some idiots will slow to wave at them or stop to have their picture taken!
Westbound some drivers seem to slow as they reach the 'brow' of the road in the tunnel. Do they imagine the tunnel is two-way or what? Eastbound many others seem to floor the gas pedal and then on emerging find the slight right curve catches them out. Please! - no average speed or similar cameras otherwise some idiots will slow to wave at them or stop to have their picture taken! Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: 8

9:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

Hove Actually says...

JerryOnly wrote:
I am terrified at the very words I'm typing here, but this is a great spot for a speed camera.

Yuk. I feel like I need a wash after that.

Still, there are a disproportionate amount of accidents in the tunnel, for the 4.2 hours of the year it's actually open that is.
Sadly the Minor crime Major fines unit is well aware of this, which is why you often see the van either side of the tunnel.
A permanent speed trap would rob them of this revenue stream
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: I am terrified at the very words I'm typing here, but this is a great spot for a speed camera. Yuk. I feel like I need a wash after that. Still, there are a disproportionate amount of accidents in the tunnel, for the 4.2 hours of the year it's actually open that is.[/p][/quote]Sadly the Minor crime Major fines unit is well aware of this, which is why you often see the van either side of the tunnel. A permanent speed trap would rob them of this revenue stream Hove Actually
  • Score: 5

10:05am Wed 15 Jan 14

straightasadye says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.
Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel.
Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose!
Over to you thumb-downers.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel. Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose! Over to you thumb-downers. straightasadye
  • Score: -7

10:36am Wed 15 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

straightasadye wrote:
Crystal Ball wrote:
The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.
Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel.
Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose!
Over to you thumb-downers.
Two posters speak sense at last.

Most drivers seem to forget, or more accurately, are totally unaware, a speed limit is just that, a limit. Not a target that has to be obtained at every possible opportunity and in many cases exceeded.

If the 'road warriors' really wish to experience the thrill of excess speed they should stick to their games consoles.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel. Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose! Over to you thumb-downers.[/p][/quote]Two posters speak sense at last. Most drivers seem to forget, or more accurately, are totally unaware, a speed limit is just that, a limit. Not a target that has to be obtained at every possible opportunity and in many cases exceeded. If the 'road warriors' really wish to experience the thrill of excess speed they should stick to their games consoles. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 7

10:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

Richada says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Some of the accidents may be caused by drivers not concentrating because they are fiddling with their radios and mobile phones as they lose reception in the tunnel.
Roads become ever more safely designed, cars advance in leaps and bounds in terms of safety, but drivers?

The more gadgets that cars are packed with, the more personal comminication devices that are carried, the less safe our roads seem to be. Unfortunately it is all too simple to blame "speed" for these accidents - the article above gives no indication of at what speed the accident took place, nor what type of vehicles were involved.

It is the inattention to the task in hand i.e. driving that causes accidents, that may well, but not exclusively so, include inappropriate use of speed.

Reduce the speed in on that section of the by-pass, but an idiot who wants to text, light a cigarette, play with an iPod, re-program a GPS system (etc.....) whilst driving, is merely going to feel safer doing so at 50mph than at the 85mph he's probably driving at now - a 50 limit there is not going to stop him having an accident and blocking the tunnel.

As for fixed cameras, yes, reduce the speed at that spot on the road they will, but they don't actually observe bad or dangerous driving, both of which you can witness every day on our roads at well below the posted speed limits.
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: Some of the accidents may be caused by drivers not concentrating because they are fiddling with their radios and mobile phones as they lose reception in the tunnel.[/p][/quote]Roads become ever more safely designed, cars advance in leaps and bounds in terms of safety, but drivers? The more gadgets that cars are packed with, the more personal comminication devices that are carried, the less safe our roads seem to be. Unfortunately it is all too simple to blame "speed" for these accidents - the article above gives no indication of at what speed the accident took place, nor what type of vehicles were involved. It is the inattention to the task in hand i.e. driving that causes accidents, that may well, but not exclusively so, include inappropriate use of speed. Reduce the speed in on that section of the by-pass, but an idiot who wants to text, light a cigarette, play with an iPod, re-program a GPS system (etc.....) whilst driving, is merely going to feel safer doing so at 50mph than at the 85mph he's probably driving at now - a 50 limit there is not going to stop him having an accident and blocking the tunnel. As for fixed cameras, yes, reduce the speed at that spot on the road they will, but they don't actually observe bad or dangerous driving, both of which you can witness every day on our roads at well below the posted speed limits. Richada
  • Score: 7

10:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

Richada says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
Crystal Ball wrote:
The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.
Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel.
Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose!
Over to you thumb-downers.
Two posters speak sense at last.

Most drivers seem to forget, or more accurately, are totally unaware, a speed limit is just that, a limit. Not a target that has to be obtained at every possible opportunity and in many cases exceeded.

If the 'road warriors' really wish to experience the thrill of excess speed they should stick to their games consoles.
I'm probably a luddite, but I've long held the opinion that games consoles have a lot to answer for in the area of road safety.

A lot of our youth - who go on to become drivers, have little sense of responsibility on the road due to being brought up on these games - where crashes bear no consequences and you always walk away from the wreck.

Likewise they fear no danger in "multi-tasking" whilst driving. Behind the wheel you bear a responsibility to the safety of all around you, particularly the more vulnerable who are not surrounded in metal cocoons. When on the road, actually DRIVING should be treated as the sole task in hand, sadly for many it takes a back seat to whatever else they may be doing at the time.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: The speed limit needs to be reduced to 50mph around a mile before the tunnel so the traffic flow, whilst a little slower, is safer through the tunnel itself.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. And added to the 50mph limit needs to be single line traffic for the length of the long dangerous bend approaching the tunnel. Of course juveniles giving the "thumbs down" to any restrictions are the most likely to cause accidents. There is on average at 'least' one accident a week on this stretch of the by-pass so it speaks for itself there needs to be something done about it - so why isn't there? Why, because irresponsible authorities can't see any further than the end of their nose! Over to you thumb-downers.[/p][/quote]Two posters speak sense at last. Most drivers seem to forget, or more accurately, are totally unaware, a speed limit is just that, a limit. Not a target that has to be obtained at every possible opportunity and in many cases exceeded. If the 'road warriors' really wish to experience the thrill of excess speed they should stick to their games consoles.[/p][/quote]I'm probably a luddite, but I've long held the opinion that games consoles have a lot to answer for in the area of road safety. A lot of our youth - who go on to become drivers, have little sense of responsibility on the road due to being brought up on these games - where crashes bear no consequences and you always walk away from the wreck. Likewise they fear no danger in "multi-tasking" whilst driving. Behind the wheel you bear a responsibility to the safety of all around you, particularly the more vulnerable who are not surrounded in metal cocoons. When on the road, actually DRIVING should be treated as the sole task in hand, sadly for many it takes a back seat to whatever else they may be doing at the time. Richada
  • Score: 13

11:08am Wed 15 Jan 14

Jay1000 says...

Speed cameras will stop people going faster at that particular point, however, they won't prevent people fiddling with their radios/mobile phones etc.. and consequently slamming into crash barriers/tunnels/oth
er motorists.

Speed cameras (both fixed and average) cause their own issues. Not only are you constantly checking your speed, so your eyes are off the road ahead, but unobservant drivers fail to take note of the road signs informing them of the speed limit. They suddenly see the big yellow camera or, more likely, the lines on the road, and slam their brakes on down to 50 or even 40, causing a concertina effect behind them. This is particularly noticeable on the A24 Southbound just after Buck Barn lights. Six, yes...SIX, speed limit signs on the run-up to the speed camera informing motorists that it is a 60mph limit, and you still get drivers panic braking down to 50/40mph. If you failed to see 6 road signs, then you shouldn't be behind the wheel!

Any driver that has found to have caused an accident/crashed whilst fiddling with their mobiles/radios/hair etc.etc. should be given a 1 month ban and/or made to do something similar to the Speed Awareness course which highlights the importance of observation and 'looking ahead'.

I also think a lesson on a skid pan should be a compulsory part of driving lessons and, after a driver has passed, they also be made to complete a couple of lessons on Motorway driving before their full license is released.
Speed cameras will stop people going faster at that particular point, however, they won't prevent people fiddling with their radios/mobile phones etc.. and consequently slamming into crash barriers/tunnels/oth er motorists. Speed cameras (both fixed and average) cause their own issues. Not only are you constantly checking your speed, so your eyes are off the road ahead, but unobservant drivers fail to take note of the road signs informing them of the speed limit. They suddenly see the big yellow camera or, more likely, the lines on the road, and slam their brakes on down to 50 or even 40, causing a concertina effect behind them. This is particularly noticeable on the A24 Southbound just after Buck Barn lights. Six, yes...SIX, speed limit signs on the run-up to the speed camera informing motorists that it is a 60mph limit, and you still get drivers panic braking down to 50/40mph. If you failed to see 6 road signs, then you shouldn't be behind the wheel! Any driver that has found to have caused an accident/crashed whilst fiddling with their mobiles/radios/hair etc.etc. should be given a 1 month ban and/or made to do something similar to the Speed Awareness course which highlights the importance of observation and 'looking ahead'. I also think a lesson on a skid pan should be a compulsory part of driving lessons and, after a driver has passed, they also be made to complete a couple of lessons on Motorway driving before their full license is released. Jay1000
  • Score: 8

11:10am Wed 15 Jan 14

Number Six says...

This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads.

It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either
This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads. It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either Number Six
  • Score: 16

11:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

Richada says...

Number Six wrote:
This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads.

It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either
Marked police cars would have a better effect. People always seem to behave when they see a "proper" police car. However, unmarked ones would be more effective at actually catching dangerous drivers, be they speeding or texting!

It all depends on your priority - fo you want the traffic to flow safely or to catch a tiny percentage of dangerous drivers?
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads. It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either[/p][/quote]Marked police cars would have a better effect. People always seem to behave when they see a "proper" police car. However, unmarked ones would be more effective at actually catching dangerous drivers, be they speeding or texting! It all depends on your priority - fo you want the traffic to flow safely or to catch a tiny percentage of dangerous drivers? Richada
  • Score: 5

11:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

whatone says...

Given the disproportionate number of accidents in the area is it not time for an inquiry into the causes?

This has been rejected in the past because I believe the authorities are worried about whether the road/tunnel design is to blame.

The road cambers and 'corkscrew effect' of the tunnel must be looked at, along with the wind sheers that occur at either end where large numbers of accidents also occur.
Given the disproportionate number of accidents in the area is it not time for an inquiry into the causes? This has been rejected in the past because I believe the authorities are worried about whether the road/tunnel design is to blame. The road cambers and 'corkscrew effect' of the tunnel must be looked at, along with the wind sheers that occur at either end where large numbers of accidents also occur. whatone
  • Score: -1

12:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do.
Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do. sussexram40
  • Score: 12

12:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

djbspurs says...

It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever
It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever djbspurs
  • Score: 2

12:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

djbspurs wrote:
It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever
Actually unless the illuminated signs are in use dictating the lane disciplines, the lane control is inactive.
[quote][p][bold]djbspurs[/bold] wrote: It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever[/p][/quote]Actually unless the illuminated signs are in use dictating the lane disciplines, the lane control is inactive. JerryOnly
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

'Richada' - my thoughts entirely!
The real life 'reset' button doesn't exist!
'Richada' - my thoughts entirely! The real life 'reset' button doesn't exist! Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: -1

12:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Spx says...

Cctv cameras are needed at this spot. Bad driving causes these events not speed (which is relative)
Cctv cameras are needed at this spot. Bad driving causes these events not speed (which is relative) Spx
  • Score: -1

12:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

fredaj says...

djbspurs wrote:
It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever
There are no "stay in line" signs at the Southwick Tunnel so you need to look again.
[quote][p][bold]djbspurs[/bold] wrote: It does say stay in lane doesnt it yet always somebody is changing lanes whilst in the tunnel. These sort of people don't obey any signs or laws whatsoever[/p][/quote]There are no "stay in line" signs at the Southwick Tunnel so you need to look again. fredaj
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

fredaj says...

Number Six wrote:
This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads.

It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either
I too use this road every day and the aggressive driving is just getting worse and worse - lane hogging, tail gating and the general pushing and shoving and lack of courtesy when someone in the inside lane (where they should be!) wants to over take a slower vehicle scares me to death.

Never understand what happens in the tunnels, especially travelling east. People go into it at a particular speed but some people get slower and slower as they travel through, causing the bunching and braking of traffic that is already too close and too cross. It's weird.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads. It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either[/p][/quote]I too use this road every day and the aggressive driving is just getting worse and worse - lane hogging, tail gating and the general pushing and shoving and lack of courtesy when someone in the inside lane (where they should be!) wants to over take a slower vehicle scares me to death. Never understand what happens in the tunnels, especially travelling east. People go into it at a particular speed but some people get slower and slower as they travel through, causing the bunching and braking of traffic that is already too close and too cross. It's weird. fredaj
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

whatone says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do.
Maybe you could us then why there appears to be a disproportionate number of 'bad drivers' on this stretch of the A27...

Along with the disproportinate number of 'bad drivers' on the (hopefully to be improved) Handcross Hill stretch of the A23?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do.[/p][/quote]Maybe you could us then why there appears to be a disproportionate number of 'bad drivers' on this stretch of the A27... Along with the disproportinate number of 'bad drivers' on the (hopefully to be improved) Handcross Hill stretch of the A23? whatone
  • Score: -2

12:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

whatone says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do.
Maybe you could tell us then why there appears to be a disproportionate number of 'bad drivers' on this stretch of the A27...

Along with the disproportinate number of 'bad drivers' on the (hopefully to be improved) Handcross Hill stretch of the A23?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Sheer bad driving. Roads don't cause accidents - bad drivers do.[/p][/quote]Maybe you could tell us then why there appears to be a disproportionate number of 'bad drivers' on this stretch of the A27... Along with the disproportinate number of 'bad drivers' on the (hopefully to be improved) Handcross Hill stretch of the A23? whatone
  • Score: -3

3:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

monkeymoo says...

It has nothing to do with cars, roads, conditions, lorries, bicycles, vans, cameras, etc........

......It is PEOPLE that cause the accidents.

Lack of attention, not driving in relation to the road or conditions, Tailgating, excessive speed, inability to control a vehicle in an emergency...need i go on!?
It has nothing to do with cars, roads, conditions, lorries, bicycles, vans, cameras, etc........ ......It is PEOPLE that cause the accidents. Lack of attention, not driving in relation to the road or conditions, Tailgating, excessive speed, inability to control a vehicle in an emergency...need i go on!? monkeymoo
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Number Six says...

Richada wrote:
Number Six wrote:
This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads.

It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either
Marked police cars would have a better effect. People always seem to behave when they see a "proper" police car. However, unmarked ones would be more effective at actually catching dangerous drivers, be they speeding or texting!

It all depends on your priority - fo you want the traffic to flow safely or to catch a tiny percentage of dangerous drivers?
The only problem with marked police cars is that everyone behaves themselves for ten minutes. Then, when the police car has gone it's business as usual. If there were more unmarked cars visibly pulling people over it might make people a lot more cautious not knowing if the car behind you was a Police Car or not
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: This is part of my daily commute and I personally think the problems have much to do with speed so much as aggressive driving and very poor lane discipline. How often does some moron flick the indicator for a nano second and then just barge out? Not just at the tunnel but on the A23/A27 slip roads. It might help if they did what they do in the Dartford tunnel. No lane changing. Some more unmarked Police cars wouldn't go amiss, either[/p][/quote]Marked police cars would have a better effect. People always seem to behave when they see a "proper" police car. However, unmarked ones would be more effective at actually catching dangerous drivers, be they speeding or texting! It all depends on your priority - fo you want the traffic to flow safely or to catch a tiny percentage of dangerous drivers?[/p][/quote]The only problem with marked police cars is that everyone behaves themselves for ten minutes. Then, when the police car has gone it's business as usual. If there were more unmarked cars visibly pulling people over it might make people a lot more cautious not knowing if the car behind you was a Police Car or not Number Six
  • Score: 0

7:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

den2il says...

How about this then! Just before the festive season I witnessed a driver coming off Holmbush joining the A27 westbound with his iPad attached to his steering wheel by his thumbs - unbelievable.
How about this then! Just before the festive season I witnessed a driver coming off Holmbush joining the A27 westbound with his iPad attached to his steering wheel by his thumbs - unbelievable. den2il
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8:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Vox populi 2 says...

I smell a rat.
The Prophet of Doom is as I write on twelve THUMBS UP for agreeing, same as I do, with the posts of Crystal Ball & Straightasadye.
Yet I notice Crystal Ball and Straightasadye as I write are respectively twelve & five THUMBS DOWN.
Doesn't add up!
I smell a rat. The Prophet of Doom is as I write on twelve THUMBS UP for agreeing, same as I do, with the posts of Crystal Ball & Straightasadye. Yet I notice Crystal Ball and Straightasadye as I write are respectively twelve & five THUMBS DOWN. Doesn't add up! Vox populi 2
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