Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly four-month revamp to start in spring

Vogue gyratory's cycle-friendly revamp approved

Vogue gyratory's cycle-friendly revamp approved

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A controversial junction is to be revamped with the addition of a new cycle lane as the final piece in £6.4 million improvements to get people out of their cars.

Following the completion of a controversial bus and cycle lane in Lewes Road last year, Brighton and Hove City Council has now approved the most difficult part of the scheme - the notorious Vogue Gyratory.

With five roads converging on a roundabout and a petrol station, pub and supermarket on it, the junction has long been a no go area for cyclists and other road users.

But the local authority believes its £600,000 scheme, with a new two-metre wide cycle lane and pedestrian crossings, will make it easier for people to navigate the area.

This is despite officials admitting there will be a 30-metre “zone of conflict” on the northbound carriageway as vehicles turning left into Sainsbury's car park or Hollingdean Road cross the cycle lane.

In approving the plans at the council's transport committee on Tuesday, Green councillor Ian Davey said: “The actual detail of the design is absolutely essential to make this as safe as we can.

“There is no such thing as a completely safe facility.”

Plans to revamp the junction were drawn up at the same time as the bus lane scheme.

But following concerns about safety, it was agreed to go back to the drawing board and look again at concerns.

As well as a new brightly coloured cycle lane, the revised plans will see the creation of a new bus stop which can be used by “bendy buses” and new markings to make it clearer.

A raised area across the entrance to the Sainsbury's car park is intended to make it easier for pedestrians.

Officials said if the scheme was not given the go-ahead the traffic lights would need to be replaced anyway at a cost of up to £250,000.

Conservative councillor Graham Cox said: “Obviously I would like to knock the whole thing down and start again.

“We do need to watch it very closely but on balance it is probably as good as we can get it.”

Green councillor Chris Hawtree called it the “Vogue respiratory” adding teh junction currently was “pretty grim”.

But speaking after the meeting, Steve Percy, of motoring lobby group People's Parking Protest, said: “I'm just really upset to think that Brighton will become a no-go area for cars.

“I think we are pushing forward too quickly on too many fronts.”

The next step will be to publish traffic regulation orders. Work will start in spring or summer and last at least four months, the council said.

It added the scheme will be paid for from ring-fenced transport budgets. 

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5:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

john newman says...

So much this city needs to improve and we spend money waging war on motor traffic . What about Pool Valley and other schemes that could be used to reduce transport.
So much this city needs to improve and we spend money waging war on motor traffic . What about Pool Valley and other schemes that could be used to reduce transport. john newman
  • Score: 14

5:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

taman says...

do your worst political oblivion awaits
do your worst political oblivion awaits taman
  • Score: 26

6:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hove Actually says...

Headline should read
Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved......
Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time.
Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either
Headline should read Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved...... Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time. Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either Hove Actually
  • Score: 24

6:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

The only marginally positive side to this is if you are already avoiding the Lewes Road debacle then there is a good chance you won't encounter further hilarity here.
The only marginally positive side to this is if you are already avoiding the Lewes Road debacle then there is a good chance you won't encounter further hilarity here. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 11

6:36pm Wed 15 Jan 14

dwhitt says...

Cycle lane up hollingdean road please.
Cycle lane up hollingdean road please. dwhitt
  • Score: -15

6:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

Yet again we have a fine example of a completely shockingly written piece.
Yet again we have a fine example of a completely shockingly written piece. All 9 of me
  • Score: 14

6:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

PETE OF QUEENS PARK says...

When are we going to get rid off Kitkat and his crazy cronies making a balls up of this city with bus and cycle lanes what good is the Edward street bus and cycle lane going to improve I have never had a traffic problem on this piece of road its the road along by Brighton College that is the problem it's a pity they cannot get off their arses and get on their bikes ride round the city and get the roads repaired they are a disgrace they wasted all that money on Lewes road and could not put a new surface down roll on 2015 then the greens will be able to see for themselves what they have done to ruin Brighton and Hove.
When are we going to get rid off Kitkat and his crazy cronies making a balls up of this city with bus and cycle lanes what good is the Edward street bus and cycle lane going to improve I have never had a traffic problem on this piece of road its the road along by Brighton College that is the problem it's a pity they cannot get off their arses and get on their bikes ride round the city and get the roads repaired they are a disgrace they wasted all that money on Lewes road and could not put a new surface down roll on 2015 then the greens will be able to see for themselves what they have done to ruin Brighton and Hove. PETE OF QUEENS PARK
  • Score: 23

7:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

semper cogitans says...

Hove Actually wrote:
Headline should read
Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved......
Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time.
Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either
Shush the greens may have forgotten that our punishment is due, they must still have enough time left to inflict mortal damage on Hove. As for the "Vague gyratory cistern" for 30-metre zone of conflict, one should read:30-metre killing field!
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: Headline should read Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved...... Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time. Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either[/p][/quote]Shush the greens may have forgotten that our punishment is due, they must still have enough time left to inflict mortal damage on Hove. As for the "Vague gyratory cistern" for 30-metre zone of conflict, one should read:30-metre killing field! semper cogitans
  • Score: 15

7:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen.

Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they?
I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen. Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 19

7:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Sorry, that should read 'two lanes' not three, as there are three now but obviously one will become a cycle lane.
Sorry, that should read 'two lanes' not three, as there are three now but obviously one will become a cycle lane. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 8

7:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

twinglemum says...

Yet another hare brained green scheme, the last thing the gyratory needs is a cycle lane in the middle of it, a large percentage of traffic goes around and up holingdean road, it is dodgy enough getting across the cars approaching from upper Lewes road let alone a load of bikes, use the money elsewhere sorting out the city, perhaps address the iconic seafront arches
Yet another hare brained green scheme, the last thing the gyratory needs is a cycle lane in the middle of it, a large percentage of traffic goes around and up holingdean road, it is dodgy enough getting across the cars approaching from upper Lewes road let alone a load of bikes, use the money elsewhere sorting out the city, perhaps address the iconic seafront arches twinglemum
  • Score: 15

7:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

her professional says...

I used to work in this area, and crossing the road on foot from any direction was a nightmare, as was playing cat and mouse with motorists entering and leaving Sainsburys. All parties accept that the place is a disaster, and anything that helps pedestrians and cyclists negotiate the area is to bE welcomed. Hove Actually - stay in Hove by all means, that's a few less unnecessary car journeys clogging up the city, and you will also be leaving a bit more room for poor old Steve Percy (BTW I suggest he stands for election just to see how many people would actually support his "cars come first" policies. His comments are currently his own opinion, he doesn't represent anyone). Most of the abusive comments on here take no account of the fact that most councillors accept that the proposals are not ideal, but make the best of a bad job. The Greens are not responsible for the Vogue Gyratory, it's a classic example of a system that was designed years ago completely ignoring the needs of local residents, and anyone not travelling through the area by car.
I used to work in this area, and crossing the road on foot from any direction was a nightmare, as was playing cat and mouse with motorists entering and leaving Sainsburys. All parties accept that the place is a disaster, and anything that helps pedestrians and cyclists negotiate the area is to bE welcomed. Hove Actually - stay in Hove by all means, that's a few less unnecessary car journeys clogging up the city, and you will also be leaving a bit more room for poor old Steve Percy (BTW I suggest he stands for election just to see how many people would actually support his "cars come first" policies. His comments are currently his own opinion, he doesn't represent anyone). Most of the abusive comments on here take no account of the fact that most councillors accept that the proposals are not ideal, but make the best of a bad job. The Greens are not responsible for the Vogue Gyratory, it's a classic example of a system that was designed years ago completely ignoring the needs of local residents, and anyone not travelling through the area by car. her professional
  • Score: 4

8:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

A number of people believed this wouldn't happen.

It's a master stroke

Get in HJ
A number of people believed this wouldn't happen. It's a master stroke Get in HJ I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: -14

8:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I'm looking forward to entering the zone of conflict. Sounds like a marvellous piece of design.
I'm looking forward to entering the zone of conflict. Sounds like a marvellous piece of design. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

9:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Man of steel says...

They admit that there will be a 30-metre “zone of conflict” on the northbound carriageway as vehicles turning left into Sainsbury's car park or Hollingdean Road cross the cycle lane, so they intend to make it worse by adding another bus stop into the middle of it, just for the bendy bus.
It will probably be safer for cyclists to go north along the southbound lane, or pavement by the two pubs.
I'm sure that the inhabitants of Monkey World could make a better job of it.
They admit that there will be a 30-metre “zone of conflict” on the northbound carriageway as vehicles turning left into Sainsbury's car park or Hollingdean Road cross the cycle lane, so they intend to make it worse by adding another bus stop into the middle of it, just for the bendy bus. It will probably be safer for cyclists to go north along the southbound lane, or pavement by the two pubs. I'm sure that the inhabitants of Monkey World could make a better job of it. Man of steel
  • Score: 15

9:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

captbaz says...

Do our council not realise that most people DO NOT go to supermarkets on their bikes, carrying a weeks shopping home is a bit difficult this is why Most large supermarkets have CAR parks. People DO NOT go to petrol stations on their bike they go in their CAR to refuel and people definatly DO NOT go to Kwik fit for a new exhaust on their bikes. This current council must try to remember that they are simply caretakers of our city. Not only are they wasting the citys money on their changes but the future council will also have to spend millions to put things right when thry are kicked out.....
Do our council not realise that most people DO NOT go to supermarkets on their bikes, carrying a weeks shopping home is a bit difficult this is why Most large supermarkets have CAR parks. People DO NOT go to petrol stations on their bike they go in their CAR to refuel and people definatly DO NOT go to Kwik fit for a new exhaust on their bikes. This current council must try to remember that they are simply caretakers of our city. Not only are they wasting the citys money on their changes but the future council will also have to spend millions to put things right when thry are kicked out..... captbaz
  • Score: 18

9:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

The moanerati are out in force tonight! Is there a B&H flat earth club they could join and make friends?

We have Brighton Council's early 1980's officers and councillors to blame for the Vogue Gyratory disaster (named after a **** cinema!), a development that led to the loss of many houses and the aforementioned art deco cinema. Sadly, there is not the money to demolish the lot and start again, which would be best. Hence, the scheme is a compromise, but I accept it is pretty much the best we are going to get (The B&H Independant had a map in the 27th December issue).

It is unbelievable that it has taken so long to address the Gyratory and I look forward to the changes being completed as it forms a major barrier for many people that would like to cycle along the Lewes Rd and is unpleasnat to drive around. Not only will the changes make cycling that bit easier, it should make life a little better for bus passengers. We are gradually seeing a shift to bus and cycle along Lewes Rd corridor and I hear work is underway to increase the capacity of the railway between Hastings and Brighton, which gives people more options. Disappointingly for Steve Percy, the Argus's favorite rentaquote and auto-obsessive, cars seem not to be banned.

The construction and subsequent reopening of the Gyratory will be marked by a number of articles in the Argus to stir things up (prove me wrong!) and there will be the usual moaners banging on about B&H is ruined, 24 hour jams and all the rest the the exageration we have come to expect.
The moanerati are out in force tonight! Is there a B&H flat earth club they could join and make friends? We have Brighton Council's early 1980's officers and councillors to blame for the Vogue Gyratory disaster (named after a **** cinema!), a development that led to the loss of many houses and the aforementioned art deco cinema. Sadly, there is not the money to demolish the lot and start again, which would be best. Hence, the scheme is a compromise, but I accept it is pretty much the best we are going to get (The B&H Independant had a map in the 27th December issue). It is unbelievable that it has taken so long to address the Gyratory and I look forward to the changes being completed as it forms a major barrier for many people that would like to cycle along the Lewes Rd and is unpleasnat to drive around. Not only will the changes make cycling that bit easier, it should make life a little better for bus passengers. We are gradually seeing a shift to bus and cycle along Lewes Rd corridor and I hear work is underway to increase the capacity of the railway between Hastings and Brighton, which gives people more options. Disappointingly for Steve Percy, the Argus's favorite rentaquote and auto-obsessive, cars seem not to be banned. The construction and subsequent reopening of the Gyratory will be marked by a number of articles in the Argus to stir things up (prove me wrong!) and there will be the usual moaners banging on about B&H is ruined, 24 hour jams and all the rest the the exageration we have come to expect. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

9:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Oops **** was P0rn. Hardly swearing!
Oops **** was P0rn. Hardly swearing! HJarrs
  • Score: -8

10:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

This junction is a nightmare - I am worried when I drive or cycle around it. However it also works - traffic moves relatively well and the junction is treated with respect (and fear!) by all that use it.

The original plans wouldn't work. I am unconvinced by plans - but key details haven't been given. Those that have seem not to make sense or be more dangerous. Eg. new 2m cycle lane but traffic flows just as well. How will this be possible? Pedestrians given better path to cross supermarket - so cars don't wait on the pavement. However if cars don't wait on pavement then they can't see the junction as building is in the way. So surely this will lead to accidents?

I don't have any confidence in the council design team or in their statistics (just look at how Lewes Road apparently has no queues following "improvements" yet we see them every day and even the council's traffic information tweets most days warning about the queues!)

So please leave this junction alone for the moment. It works and is relatively safe. Once we have more skilled traffic officers and new politicians then revist. But can't see current officers and greens improving this junction (unless "improve" means make worse in greenspeak as we have seen on other parts of Lewes Road and elsewhere)
This junction is a nightmare - I am worried when I drive or cycle around it. However it also works - traffic moves relatively well and the junction is treated with respect (and fear!) by all that use it. The original plans wouldn't work. I am unconvinced by plans - but key details haven't been given. Those that have seem not to make sense or be more dangerous. Eg. new 2m cycle lane but traffic flows just as well. How will this be possible? Pedestrians given better path to cross supermarket - so cars don't wait on the pavement. However if cars don't wait on pavement then they can't see the junction as building is in the way. So surely this will lead to accidents? I don't have any confidence in the council design team or in their statistics (just look at how Lewes Road apparently has no queues following "improvements" yet we see them every day and even the council's traffic information tweets most days warning about the queues!) So please leave this junction alone for the moment. It works and is relatively safe. Once we have more skilled traffic officers and new politicians then revist. But can't see current officers and greens improving this junction (unless "improve" means make worse in greenspeak as we have seen on other parts of Lewes Road and elsewhere) NickBtn
  • Score: 10

10:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Hove Actually wrote:
Headline should read
Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved......
Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time.
Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either
I live close to the gyratory and as a driver am dreading the increase in jams that it will bring. It will do little to stop the cyclists heading towards the college from jumping red lights or cycling on the pavement as they do already north of the gyratory even though they have a dedicated cycle lane.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: Headline should read Vogue Gyratory's cycle-friendly Car hating revamp approved...... Why is it considered the best way forward is to hold up the traffic flow by giving bikes priority all the time. Thank God I live this side of the city and try to avoid travelling across it and now we have a new massive Waitrose opening in April no need to go to Western Road either[/p][/quote]I live close to the gyratory and as a driver am dreading the increase in jams that it will bring. It will do little to stop the cyclists heading towards the college from jumping red lights or cycling on the pavement as they do already north of the gyratory even though they have a dedicated cycle lane. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 8

10:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
The moanerati are out in force tonight! Is there a B&H flat earth club they could join and make friends?

We have Brighton Council's early 1980's officers and councillors to blame for the Vogue Gyratory disaster (named after a **** cinema!), a development that led to the loss of many houses and the aforementioned art deco cinema. Sadly, there is not the money to demolish the lot and start again, which would be best. Hence, the scheme is a compromise, but I accept it is pretty much the best we are going to get (The B&H Independant had a map in the 27th December issue).

It is unbelievable that it has taken so long to address the Gyratory and I look forward to the changes being completed as it forms a major barrier for many people that would like to cycle along the Lewes Rd and is unpleasnat to drive around. Not only will the changes make cycling that bit easier, it should make life a little better for bus passengers. We are gradually seeing a shift to bus and cycle along Lewes Rd corridor and I hear work is underway to increase the capacity of the railway between Hastings and Brighton, which gives people more options. Disappointingly for Steve Percy, the Argus's favorite rentaquote and auto-obsessive, cars seem not to be banned.

The construction and subsequent reopening of the Gyratory will be marked by a number of articles in the Argus to stir things up (prove me wrong!) and there will be the usual moaners banging on about B&H is ruined, 24 hour jams and all the rest the the exageration we have come to expect.
Great note HJ

Certainly told the moanerati where they can go.

Loving the congestion opportunity...could we delay the start so we destroy all the summer tourist trade?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: The moanerati are out in force tonight! Is there a B&H flat earth club they could join and make friends? We have Brighton Council's early 1980's officers and councillors to blame for the Vogue Gyratory disaster (named after a **** cinema!), a development that led to the loss of many houses and the aforementioned art deco cinema. Sadly, there is not the money to demolish the lot and start again, which would be best. Hence, the scheme is a compromise, but I accept it is pretty much the best we are going to get (The B&H Independant had a map in the 27th December issue). It is unbelievable that it has taken so long to address the Gyratory and I look forward to the changes being completed as it forms a major barrier for many people that would like to cycle along the Lewes Rd and is unpleasnat to drive around. Not only will the changes make cycling that bit easier, it should make life a little better for bus passengers. We are gradually seeing a shift to bus and cycle along Lewes Rd corridor and I hear work is underway to increase the capacity of the railway between Hastings and Brighton, which gives people more options. Disappointingly for Steve Percy, the Argus's favorite rentaquote and auto-obsessive, cars seem not to be banned. The construction and subsequent reopening of the Gyratory will be marked by a number of articles in the Argus to stir things up (prove me wrong!) and there will be the usual moaners banging on about B&H is ruined, 24 hour jams and all the rest the the exageration we have come to expect.[/p][/quote]Great note HJ Certainly told the moanerati where they can go. Loving the congestion opportunity...could we delay the start so we destroy all the summer tourist trade? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 1

10:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

jainldn says...

may be just remove the bus stop completely, would improve everybody's safety,
may be just remove the bus stop completely, would improve everybody's safety, jainldn
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Nellie's Grandson says...

Let them just ride on the pavement like they do on the sea front, pedestrians will soon get used to dodging them, just as they have to do on Marine Parade.
Let them just ride on the pavement like they do on the sea front, pedestrians will soon get used to dodging them, just as they have to do on Marine Parade. Nellie's Grandson
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Note a cyclist to be seen on the Lewes road cycle lane today.
Where have they all gone?
Note a cyclist to be seen on the Lewes road cycle lane today. Where have they all gone? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 6

11:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

her professional wrote:
I used to work in this area, and crossing the road on foot from any direction was a nightmare, as was playing cat and mouse with motorists entering and leaving Sainsburys. All parties accept that the place is a disaster, and anything that helps pedestrians and cyclists negotiate the area is to bE welcomed. Hove Actually - stay in Hove by all means, that's a few less unnecessary car journeys clogging up the city, and you will also be leaving a bit more room for poor old Steve Percy (BTW I suggest he stands for election just to see how many people would actually support his "cars come first" policies. His comments are currently his own opinion, he doesn't represent anyone). Most of the abusive comments on here take no account of the fact that most councillors accept that the proposals are not ideal, but make the best of a bad job. The Greens are not responsible for the Vogue Gyratory, it's a classic example of a system that was designed years ago completely ignoring the needs of local residents, and anyone not travelling through the area by car.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: I used to work in this area, and crossing the road on foot from any direction was a nightmare, as was playing cat and mouse with motorists entering and leaving Sainsburys. All parties accept that the place is a disaster, and anything that helps pedestrians and cyclists negotiate the area is to bE welcomed. Hove Actually - stay in Hove by all means, that's a few less unnecessary car journeys clogging up the city, and you will also be leaving a bit more room for poor old Steve Percy (BTW I suggest he stands for election just to see how many people would actually support his "cars come first" policies. His comments are currently his own opinion, he doesn't represent anyone). Most of the abusive comments on here take no account of the fact that most councillors accept that the proposals are not ideal, but make the best of a bad job. The Greens are not responsible for the Vogue Gyratory, it's a classic example of a system that was designed years ago completely ignoring the needs of local residents, and anyone not travelling through the area by car.[/p][/quote]Well said Gribbet
  • Score: 1

12:00am Thu 16 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

captbaz wrote:
Do our council not realise that most people DO NOT go to supermarkets on their bikes, carrying a weeks shopping home is a bit difficult this is why Most large supermarkets have CAR parks. People DO NOT go to petrol stations on their bike they go in their CAR to refuel and people definatly DO NOT go to Kwik fit for a new exhaust on their bikes. This current council must try to remember that they are simply caretakers of our city. Not only are they wasting the citys money on their changes but the future council will also have to spend millions to put things right when thry are kicked out.....
I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there.
[quote][p][bold]captbaz[/bold] wrote: Do our council not realise that most people DO NOT go to supermarkets on their bikes, carrying a weeks shopping home is a bit difficult this is why Most large supermarkets have CAR parks. People DO NOT go to petrol stations on their bike they go in their CAR to refuel and people definatly DO NOT go to Kwik fit for a new exhaust on their bikes. This current council must try to remember that they are simply caretakers of our city. Not only are they wasting the citys money on their changes but the future council will also have to spend millions to put things right when thry are kicked out.....[/p][/quote]I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

12:25am Thu 16 Jan 14

PaulOckenden says...

There's currently a planning application in for a new office/flats complex to be built in the waste ground at the back of 94/96 Lewes Road (so smack in the middle of the gyratory roundabout).

Just imagine what effect the construction traffic, cranes, etc. will have on this narrowed down main artery. And how the road will feel even more hemmed in with tall buildings on both sides.
There's currently a planning application in for a new office/flats complex to be built in the waste ground at the back of 94/96 Lewes Road (so smack in the middle of the gyratory roundabout). Just imagine what effect the construction traffic, cranes, etc. will have on this narrowed down main artery. And how the road will feel even more hemmed in with tall buildings on both sides. PaulOckenden
  • Score: 2

12:39am Thu 16 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

This needs to happen and having had a look at the plans, it isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot safer and much more ordered than it is right now. As it currently is, the gyratory is a nightmare for any mode of transport to negotiate, but on a bicycle it's particularly dangerous in it's layout and in the way drivers are constantly being forced to look in all directions while jostling for position. This 30m conflict zone they mention is minor compared to the current extent of the conflict zones on the gyratory and the nature of the conflict it presents is a lot more predictable than the current chaos. Having driven through there for many years, to me it's always felt like a piece of road where you need eyes in the back of your head, and the experience of driving through it has completely put me off cycling through it.

To the embittered motorists above, I would say that you need to be more accepting of others in general and not to fear change so much. Bicycles are now outselling cars in most EU countries, so you just have to be a bit less selfish, understand the bigger picture and be a bit more socially minded in light of the trend towards urban cycling. More bikes on the road means less cars on the road, so if you're one of these motorists that refuses just on principle, laziness or habit to have a go at cycling from time to time, then you can at least be happy that the trend means more space on the road for you and your car.

You need to accept the short term pain for long term gain, the recent infrastructure changes all over town are necessary to keep the town in line with the times and will make things a lot safer for a lot of people for years/decades to come.
This needs to happen and having had a look at the plans, it isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot safer and much more ordered than it is right now. As it currently is, the gyratory is a nightmare for any mode of transport to negotiate, but on a bicycle it's particularly dangerous in it's layout and in the way drivers are constantly being forced to look in all directions while jostling for position. This 30m conflict zone they mention is minor compared to the current extent of the conflict zones on the gyratory and the nature of the conflict it presents is a lot more predictable than the current chaos. Having driven through there for many years, to me it's always felt like a piece of road where you need eyes in the back of your head, and the experience of driving through it has completely put me off cycling through it. To the embittered motorists above, I would say that you need to be more accepting of others in general and not to fear change so much. Bicycles are now outselling cars in most EU countries, so you just have to be a bit less selfish, understand the bigger picture and be a bit more socially minded in light of the trend towards urban cycling. More bikes on the road means less cars on the road, so if you're one of these motorists that refuses just on principle, laziness or habit to have a go at cycling from time to time, then you can at least be happy that the trend means more space on the road for you and your car. You need to accept the short term pain for long term gain, the recent infrastructure changes all over town are necessary to keep the town in line with the times and will make things a lot safer for a lot of people for years/decades to come. Gribbet
  • Score: 2

9:34am Thu 16 Jan 14

brightonian57 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen.

Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they?
I can see the problem here, you seem to be trying to apply logic to the situation, something that everyone, but the green party is blessed with. Of course everything you say is true. But it's not going to stop the green party make an almighty c()ck up. They don't care, they know they will be out in 2015 and it will be someone else s job to clear up the mess
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen. Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they?[/p][/quote]I can see the problem here, you seem to be trying to apply logic to the situation, something that everyone, but the green party is blessed with. Of course everything you say is true. But it's not going to stop the green party make an almighty c()ck up. They don't care, they know they will be out in 2015 and it will be someone else s job to clear up the mess brightonian57
  • Score: 7

11:54am Thu 16 Jan 14

Man of steel says...

Gribbet says...
I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there.

Are you the idiot I see wobbling up Hollinbury Road with two bags dangling off of each handlebar?
Gribbet says... I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there. Are you the idiot I see wobbling up Hollinbury Road with two bags dangling off of each handlebar? Man of steel
  • Score: 5

1:10pm Thu 16 Jan 14

sad-old-git says...

brightonian57 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen.

Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they?
I can see the problem here, you seem to be trying to apply logic to the situation, something that everyone, but the green party is blessed with. Of course everything you say is true. But it's not going to stop the green party make an almighty c()ck up. They don't care, they know they will be out in 2015 and it will be someone else s job to clear up the mess
How about applying the most obvious logic. Compulsary purchase the buildings on the island, knock them all down & start from there. It would then be much easier to get it right.
Only problem I see with this is that it would help the all traffic to actually move & would be better for pedestrians too. Of course I forgot, it would cost a fortune as well.
[quote][p][bold]brightonian57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: I can't see how this will work. It will be extremely dangerous for cyclists. At the moment you have cars queued to get out of Sainsburys waiting for a gap in the traffic. On the rare moment all three lanes are free of oncoming traffic and cars can exit, there are bound to be cyclists on the cycle lane. Mix that with cars attempting to cross the cycle lane that need to get over to the right hand land for Hollingdean Road and you have an accident waiting to happen. Also what happens to the buses that are usually in the left hand lane because they are going north up Lewes Road? Do they need to drive in the right hand lane now? Because they will also need to cross the cycle lane to get there, won't they?[/p][/quote]I can see the problem here, you seem to be trying to apply logic to the situation, something that everyone, but the green party is blessed with. Of course everything you say is true. But it's not going to stop the green party make an almighty c()ck up. They don't care, they know they will be out in 2015 and it will be someone else s job to clear up the mess[/p][/quote]How about applying the most obvious logic. Compulsary purchase the buildings on the island, knock them all down & start from there. It would then be much easier to get it right. Only problem I see with this is that it would help the all traffic to actually move & would be better for pedestrians too. Of course I forgot, it would cost a fortune as well. sad-old-git
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

Would cost £20 million so not happening
I cycle round the gyratory its a pain but its hardly death race 2000
Would cost £20 million so not happening I cycle round the gyratory its a pain but its hardly death race 2000 voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 3

5:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

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5:49am Fri 17 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Man of steel wrote:
Gribbet says...
I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there.

Are you the idiot I see wobbling up Hollinbury Road with two bags dangling off of each handlebar?
no
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: Gribbet says... I go to the supermarket on my bike and I can easily carry about 3-4 bags worth of shopping on one trip. It also takes about the same amount of time as driving there. Are you the idiot I see wobbling up Hollinbury Road with two bags dangling off of each handlebar?[/p][/quote]no Gribbet
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Fri 17 Jan 14

billy goat-gruff says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Note a cyclist to be seen on the Lewes road cycle lane today.
Where have they all gone?
Ah, it's those invisible cyclists who don't use those cycle lanes but miraculously reappear when jumping red lights and riding on pavements!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Note a cyclist to be seen on the Lewes road cycle lane today. Where have they all gone?[/p][/quote]Ah, it's those invisible cyclists who don't use those cycle lanes but miraculously reappear when jumping red lights and riding on pavements! billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 1

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