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Labour's rejection of council tax hike "deeply disappointing"

The Argus: Labour's rejection of council tax hike "deeply disappointing" Labour's rejection of council tax hike "deeply disappointing"

The rejection of plans to hold a city-wide referendum on a council tax hike of 4.75% was described as “deeply disappointing” by council chiefs last night.

Brighton and Hove City Council's minority Green administration unveiled the proposals on Thursday claiming it was the only way it could protect the vulnerable in the face of the government's spending squeeze.

Yesterday, council leader Jason Kitcat said Labour members had given “little consideration” to the proposal after opposing them within 15 minutes of the announcement.

The Green politician also dismissed rumours he was forced into calling the referendum by party rebels, saying the proposals were “carefully considered”.

Due to a 2% cap on council tax increases, the local authority must hold a referendum to get the rise approved.

It would mean an average Band D property would increase by £71.64 a year to £1,578.92.

The minority Green administration said it had been forced to make the decision to protect public services.

But the main two opposition political parties said the Greens were “grandstanding” and were “irresponsible”.

Coun Kitcat said: “It's deeply disappointing to see the Labour Party locally reject our proposals out of hand so quickly.

“These are responsible, carefully costed budget proposals which we have legitimately proposed as the largest party and the council administration.

“They deserve thoughtful consideration by opposition councillors.”

Labour group leader Coun Morgan said his party would be calling on the Green leaders to stand down and replaced with a caretaker council.

Coun Kitcat accepted Labour could form a new administration with the Conservatives.

But while the two opposition parties are united in opposition to the 4.75% they are divided over specifics, with Labour favouring a modest rise and the Tories demanding a freeze.

The Conservative group will discuss its position at a meeting on Monday.

Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald said: “The Greens are claiming that they don't have enough money to deliver services for the vulnerable yet they are prepared to blow a six-figure sum on holding a referendum which in all probability they will lose.”

Labour councillor Gill Mitchell said: “Because of the damaging split in his Green group Jason Kitcat knows he cannot get his own side to support his budget.

“But instead of adopting a responsible position and negotiating with the other parties to make the changes and council efficiencies required, Jason Kitcat has simply absolved himself of any proper credibility and is being pushed around by the rebels in his group.

“We deserve better than this. The Greens must go and go now.”

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6:23am Sat 18 Jan 14

Zamora25 says...

Resign you out of touch idiot!
Resign you out of touch idiot! Zamora25
  • Score: 54

7:40am Sat 18 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ

Why have the people stopped believing in us. Our relentless spin should have kept the idiots fooled until we destroyed the city and created a car free ghetto, jam packed with non working, problem types.

Time for one of your very special posts HJ Mention cycling to the 24 hour vacuum shop and tell the readers about how happy all the shop keepers are on London Road...that should do the trick :-)
HJ Why have the people stopped believing in us. Our relentless spin should have kept the idiots fooled until we destroyed the city and created a car free ghetto, jam packed with non working, problem types. Time for one of your very special posts HJ Mention cycling to the 24 hour vacuum shop and tell the readers about how happy all the shop keepers are on London Road...that should do the trick :-) I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 28

7:45am Sat 18 Jan 14

JHunty says...

He has been Ben Duncaned into taking a far more extreme position. I used to think he represented the sensible side of the Greens and was one of the few green councillors you could respect. I know he looks daft but he did at least seem to accept that the best way to look after the people of Brighton was to set a balanced budget not to provoke a conflict with central government as the more extreme members of the greens wish to do.
HJARRS keeps going on about green principles the problem is the party is so divided that you just don't know which part of the party's principals your going to get.
He has been Ben Duncaned into taking a far more extreme position. I used to think he represented the sensible side of the Greens and was one of the few green councillors you could respect. I know he looks daft but he did at least seem to accept that the best way to look after the people of Brighton was to set a balanced budget not to provoke a conflict with central government as the more extreme members of the greens wish to do. HJARRS keeps going on about green principles the problem is the party is so divided that you just don't know which part of the party's principals your going to get. JHunty
  • Score: 22

7:48am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ohnotagain ! says...

Never mind Jason, have a break, have a Kit Kat.
Never mind Jason, have a break, have a Kit Kat. Ohnotagain !
  • Score: 26

7:58am Sat 18 Jan 14

Cgull says...

The Greens have yet again been rumbled.

They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck.

Gutless the lot of them.
The Greens have yet again been rumbled. They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck. Gutless the lot of them. Cgull
  • Score: 41

8:13am Sat 18 Jan 14

Nikski says...

Cgull wrote:
The Greens have yet again been rumbled.

They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck.

Gutless the lot of them.
Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool.
[quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: The Greens have yet again been rumbled. They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck. Gutless the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool. Nikski
  • Score: -48

8:18am Sat 18 Jan 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

The problem was Mr Kitkat overplayed his hand, His "Think of the children" plea that without the tax rise the first cuts would sadly be in all services affecting the vulnerable was seen as the cheap bit of political grandstanding that it was. It might have been believeable if we didn't know how much money they'd already spent on all their vanity projects.
The problem was Mr Kitkat overplayed his hand, His "Think of the children" plea that without the tax rise the first cuts would sadly be in all services affecting the vulnerable was seen as the cheap bit of political grandstanding that it was. It might have been believeable if we didn't know how much money they'd already spent on all their vanity projects. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 52

8:44am Sat 18 Jan 14

fred clause says...

Good to see Labour stop pandering to KitKat and his Green idiots the sooner we can vote these clowns out the better.
Good to see Labour stop pandering to KitKat and his Green idiots the sooner we can vote these clowns out the better. fred clause
  • Score: 39

8:46am Sat 18 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

Nikski wrote:
Cgull wrote:
The Greens have yet again been rumbled.

They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck.

Gutless the lot of them.
Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool.
Because that's what the Greens were voted into power to do. Take these decisions on our behalf. With power comes responsibility. What is becoming increasingly obvious with devastating clarity is that the Green Councillors don't have the intellectual capacity to handle this responsibility. The money for this referendum would be better spent on frontline services, especially as it's a referendum that the Greens have no chance of winning.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: The Greens have yet again been rumbled. They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck. Gutless the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool.[/p][/quote]Because that's what the Greens were voted into power to do. Take these decisions on our behalf. With power comes responsibility. What is becoming increasingly obvious with devastating clarity is that the Green Councillors don't have the intellectual capacity to handle this responsibility. The money for this referendum would be better spent on frontline services, especially as it's a referendum that the Greens have no chance of winning. Quiterie
  • Score: 40

8:57am Sat 18 Jan 14

the red head says...

Thank goodness this is all coming to an end, albeit a sticky one. If the opposing parties let us down now they will be jeopardising their voters. Let's get cracking and make the final call quickly so our city can start being taken seriously again.
Thank goodness this is all coming to an end, albeit a sticky one. If the opposing parties let us down now they will be jeopardising their voters. Let's get cracking and make the final call quickly so our city can start being taken seriously again. the red head
  • Score: 36

8:58am Sat 18 Jan 14

Hove Actually says...

Kitprat needs to wander into the wilderness and plan his retirement
Sooner rather than later
Kitprat needs to wander into the wilderness and plan his retirement Sooner rather than later Hove Actually
  • Score: 32

9:19am Sat 18 Jan 14

Gaz the great says...

Never agree with the Labour party so it comes as quite a shock to me that this time they've done something sensible! Jason Kitcat & the greens have failed this city, time for somebody else to attempt the long job of rebuilding our infrastructure!
Never agree with the Labour party so it comes as quite a shock to me that this time they've done something sensible! Jason Kitcat & the greens have failed this city, time for somebody else to attempt the long job of rebuilding our infrastructure! Gaz the great
  • Score: 34

9:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory HJarrs
  • Score: -51

9:40am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Or 'vote Green get an infighting, irresponsible, petty and in experienced party out of their depth'.

If the Greens hadn't wasted so much money on unwanted vanity projects around the city and other needless things (how much did they pay the 'consultant' to try and mediate inside the party as they were all fighting each other ?) we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Oh and you never answered my question from a few days ago HJarrs : - how come you say now you're from Brighton but you said just very recently that you're not from Brighton? If you're lying then it calls everything you post into question.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Or 'vote Green get an infighting, irresponsible, petty and in experienced party out of their depth'. If the Greens hadn't wasted so much money on unwanted vanity projects around the city and other needless things (how much did they pay the 'consultant' to try and mediate inside the party as they were all fighting each other ?) we wouldn't be in this mess now. Oh and you never answered my question from a few days ago HJarrs : - how come you say now you're from Brighton but you said just very recently that you're not from Brighton? If you're lying then it calls everything you post into question. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 38

9:43am Sat 18 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

Don't forget that the last time Labour controlled the council in Brighton and Hove they increased council tax by 10% every year, without ever putting it to a vote. And yet they are so obsessed with the Greens in Brighton having the nerve to win elections they would even go into coalition with the Tories to regain power.
Don't forget that the last time Labour controlled the council in Brighton and Hove they increased council tax by 10% every year, without ever putting it to a vote. And yet they are so obsessed with the Greens in Brighton having the nerve to win elections they would even go into coalition with the Tories to regain power. Eugenius
  • Score: -8

9:49am Sat 18 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Or 'vote Green get an infighting, irresponsible, petty and in experienced party out of their depth'.

If the Greens hadn't wasted so much money on unwanted vanity projects around the city and other needless things (how much did they pay the 'consultant' to try and mediate inside the party as they were all fighting each other ?) we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Oh and you never answered my question from a few days ago HJarrs : - how come you say now you're from Brighton but you said just very recently that you're not from Brighton? If you're lying then it calls everything you post into question.
The infamous watermelon mediation was paid for by Green Party members, not taxpayers (that Argus billboard was inspired but misleading) - and it worked, the party has now pulled together again.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Or 'vote Green get an infighting, irresponsible, petty and in experienced party out of their depth'. If the Greens hadn't wasted so much money on unwanted vanity projects around the city and other needless things (how much did they pay the 'consultant' to try and mediate inside the party as they were all fighting each other ?) we wouldn't be in this mess now. Oh and you never answered my question from a few days ago HJarrs : - how come you say now you're from Brighton but you said just very recently that you're not from Brighton? If you're lying then it calls everything you post into question.[/p][/quote]The infamous watermelon mediation was paid for by Green Party members, not taxpayers (that Argus billboard was inspired but misleading) - and it worked, the party has now pulled together again. Eugenius
  • Score: -28

9:50am Sat 18 Jan 14

Cgull says...

The a Greens have failed the city and the people who voted for them thinking they couldn't do worse than the other two.

Oh how wrong those voters were.

The Greens are akin to the drunks at The Level, drunk (on power) and unable to control themselves.
The a Greens have failed the city and the people who voted for them thinking they couldn't do worse than the other two. Oh how wrong those voters were. The Greens are akin to the drunks at The Level, drunk (on power) and unable to control themselves. Cgull
  • Score: 30

9:52am Sat 18 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else.

As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else. As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable. Fight_Back
  • Score: 36

9:57am Sat 18 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 40

10:11am Sat 18 Jan 14

Nikski says...

Quiterie wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Cgull wrote:
The Greens have yet again been rumbled.

They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck.

Gutless the lot of them.
Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool.
Because that's what the Greens were voted into power to do. Take these decisions on our behalf. With power comes responsibility. What is becoming increasingly obvious with devastating clarity is that the Green Councillors don't have the intellectual capacity to handle this responsibility. The money for this referendum would be better spent on frontline services, especially as it's a referendum that the Greens have no chance of winning.
What is becoming increasingly obvious is that Labour and the ConDems are afraid of true democracy because they are scared that the people may vote for an increase in Council Tax! BHCC is looking at having to make cuts of 25 million because this government hates the public sector and wants to privatise everything, and we know that leads.....I work in frontline services and I warn you that if you think things are bad now you ain't seen nothing yet. I don't earn a huge amount but would be prepared to pay a little more Council Tax to protect the vulnerable; the mark of a civilised society us how it cares for them!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cgull[/bold] wrote: The Greens have yet again been rumbled. They can't agree amongst themselves so bottled it by passing the buck. Gutless the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Labour are the gutless ones and have lost my respect and my vote. How on earth is asking the people 'passing the buck'? Fool.[/p][/quote]Because that's what the Greens were voted into power to do. Take these decisions on our behalf. With power comes responsibility. What is becoming increasingly obvious with devastating clarity is that the Green Councillors don't have the intellectual capacity to handle this responsibility. The money for this referendum would be better spent on frontline services, especially as it's a referendum that the Greens have no chance of winning.[/p][/quote]What is becoming increasingly obvious is that Labour and the ConDems are afraid of true democracy because they are scared that the people may vote for an increase in Council Tax! BHCC is looking at having to make cuts of 25 million because this government hates the public sector and wants to privatise everything, and we know that leads.....I work in frontline services and I warn you that if you think things are bad now you ain't seen nothing yet. I don't earn a huge amount but would be prepared to pay a little more Council Tax to protect the vulnerable; the mark of a civilised society us how it cares for them! Nikski
  • Score: -32

10:13am Sat 18 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released.

Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this.

Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days.
Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released. Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this. Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 28

10:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

Nikski says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else.

As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.
You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else. As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.[/p][/quote]You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector? Nikski
  • Score: -27

10:27am Sat 18 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

I remember the yearly rises in council tax under Labour administration, but I don't remember the people of Brighton singing their praises at the time when they were calling the shots. The Labour party have been in slow continuous decline in this town for many years now, they got found out and alienated the voting public in a big way.

You think things are bad now? How do you see things working under a Lab/Con caretaker administration? Doesn't sound like a recipe for co-operation or cohesive thinking does it? It's worth bearing in mind that Labour and the Tories already disagree on the council tax issue, not a great start for the proposed Lab/Con dream team is it?
I remember the yearly rises in council tax under Labour administration, but I don't remember the people of Brighton singing their praises at the time when they were calling the shots. The Labour party have been in slow continuous decline in this town for many years now, they got found out and alienated the voting public in a big way. You think things are bad now? How do you see things working under a Lab/Con caretaker administration? Doesn't sound like a recipe for co-operation or cohesive thinking does it? It's worth bearing in mind that Labour and the Tories already disagree on the council tax issue, not a great start for the proposed Lab/Con dream team is it? Gribbet
  • Score: -14

10:27am Sat 18 Jan 14

Nikski says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released.

Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this.

Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days.
Yes Warren and you won't do well in 470 days when voters remember how you sided with the Tories, the party that is destroying public services!
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released. Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this. Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days.[/p][/quote]Yes Warren and you won't do well in 470 days when voters remember how you sided with the Tories, the party that is destroying public services! Nikski
  • Score: -21

10:29am Sat 18 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Nicksi, I would increase my payment by 10 per cent if it went to the front line services but the greens are not trusted.
The money will not be spent on front line services, it will be spent on vanity projects. They spent £6 million on re painting a bus lane on the Lewes Road which already existed. A teeny, weeny number of people use the lane from the 300,000 population.
The installed a light up bus time table for the rich in Preston Park, we have unused electric car charging points which are never, ever used, we have a budget overspent on travellers because the council have failed to manage the issue. Then they trot out that old phrase: we aren't allowed to use money from ring fenced budgets.
Then why don't you lobby government for changes or spend the money on bus fares to help young people into work or helping vulnerable families get to cheaper supermarkets etc.
Nicksi, people want to support front line services but don't trust the greens to use the money for that purpose. They want PR for Eco projects and there's no PR in elderly care and social services or the twenty percent of kids living in poverty.
A good example of the party's disdain at having to deliver front line services is the fact the council haven't even reached the target for employing apprentices. How hard is it to get 30 apprenticeships sorted when you employ more than 8,000 with a variety of contractors.
They are only interested in PR projects which are all transport stuff.
Nicksi, I would increase my payment by 10 per cent if it went to the front line services but the greens are not trusted. The money will not be spent on front line services, it will be spent on vanity projects. They spent £6 million on re painting a bus lane on the Lewes Road which already existed. A teeny, weeny number of people use the lane from the 300,000 population. The installed a light up bus time table for the rich in Preston Park, we have unused electric car charging points which are never, ever used, we have a budget overspent on travellers because the council have failed to manage the issue. Then they trot out that old phrase: we aren't allowed to use money from ring fenced budgets. Then why don't you lobby government for changes or spend the money on bus fares to help young people into work or helping vulnerable families get to cheaper supermarkets etc. Nicksi, people want to support front line services but don't trust the greens to use the money for that purpose. They want PR for Eco projects and there's no PR in elderly care and social services or the twenty percent of kids living in poverty. A good example of the party's disdain at having to deliver front line services is the fact the council haven't even reached the target for employing apprentices. How hard is it to get 30 apprenticeships sorted when you employ more than 8,000 with a variety of contractors. They are only interested in PR projects which are all transport stuff. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 30

10:54am Sat 18 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released.

Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this.

Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days.
Not the cleverest political chess-move for the Labour party. Should this actually work out as you're proposing and the Greens are finally out of the way, you'll be giving yourself plenty of time before the election to alienate the voters once again. If this caretaker situation actually happens in these times of austerity, you could really end up damaging your party's chances in 2015. Perhaps the PR of appearing to make a stand is really all you're after and you're actually hoping it doesn't get that far.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Yes Jason, you told the media about your plan well in advance so you could spin it for Green Party benefit, but only told opposition councillors as it was released. Thankfully your leaky Group and council gave me ample time to ask Labour cllrs for their views and oppose the rise and referendum - which you said was "mad" only last July suggesting you were forced into this. Step down, allow a cross party caretaker administration to run things and let the people decide who runs Brighton and Hove in 470 days.[/p][/quote]Not the cleverest political chess-move for the Labour party. Should this actually work out as you're proposing and the Greens are finally out of the way, you'll be giving yourself plenty of time before the election to alienate the voters once again. If this caretaker situation actually happens in these times of austerity, you could really end up damaging your party's chances in 2015. Perhaps the PR of appearing to make a stand is really all you're after and you're actually hoping it doesn't get that far. Gribbet
  • Score: -33

10:56am Sat 18 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Nikski wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else.

As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.
You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?
What is it about Green supporters that means they can't make a point without trying to belittle others ? So now I "don't understand politics" and yesterday I was a liar.

Yes, politics is country wide but when you elect councillors you elect them to run THIS city using the resources it has. All councils are under pressure and are getting on with it without this pathetic display of political gesturing.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else. As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.[/p][/quote]You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?[/p][/quote]What is it about Green supporters that means they can't make a point without trying to belittle others ? So now I "don't understand politics" and yesterday I was a liar. Yes, politics is country wide but when you elect councillors you elect them to run THIS city using the resources it has. All councils are under pressure and are getting on with it without this pathetic display of political gesturing. Fight_Back
  • Score: 28

11:47am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

Nikski wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else.

As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.
You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?
So you're proud of the Greens are you? I'm actually very ashamed of them as they just constantly embarrass themselves. They frequently show their lack of experience and naïveté and have a talent for turning every scheme they dream up into a high cost failure.

There is still lots of infighting going in inside the party (anyone who says otherwise is lying) and they prove time and time again that they can't be trusted to run this city.

The fact that they only got in power due to the non tax paying transient student population vote shows how just how much of a joke they are.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else. As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.[/p][/quote]You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?[/p][/quote]So you're proud of the Greens are you? I'm actually very ashamed of them as they just constantly embarrass themselves. They frequently show their lack of experience and naïveté and have a talent for turning every scheme they dream up into a high cost failure. There is still lots of infighting going in inside the party (anyone who says otherwise is lying) and they prove time and time again that they can't be trusted to run this city. The fact that they only got in power due to the non tax paying transient student population vote shows how just how much of a joke they are. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 21

12:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

Zamora25 wrote:
Resign you out of touch idiot!
Yes, and do it NOW!
[quote][p][bold]Zamora25[/bold] wrote: Resign you out of touch idiot![/p][/quote]Yes, and do it NOW! Martin999
  • Score: 21

12:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Cgull says...

I see the Green spin machine has woken up about 3 or 4 hours after the rest of us.

Must have been some good stuff they smoked last night.
I see the Green spin machine has woken up about 3 or 4 hours after the rest of us. Must have been some good stuff they smoked last night. Cgull
  • Score: 21

12:24pm Sat 18 Jan 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

GO NOW!!
4.75% rise to pay for the i360 more like.
Plus more 20MPH signs everyone ignores.
We cannot wait another 16months nor can we wast a minimum of 250k on a referendum that will come back as a resounding no!
Maybe they are trying to get more people to turn out at the Euro election on the same day?
GO NOW!! 4.75% rise to pay for the i360 more like. Plus more 20MPH signs everyone ignores. We cannot wait another 16months nor can we wast a minimum of 250k on a referendum that will come back as a resounding no! Maybe they are trying to get more people to turn out at the Euro election on the same day? upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 22

1:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

clarkebrighton says...

The GREEN PARTY have Wasted Millions of Taxpayers Pounds on ill
conceived and Costly Projects.
Such as the 20mph Speed Limits most People would agree with 20mph near a Hospital, School, retirement Home ect, but NOT a Blanket 20mph ALL over the City.

And the Parking Charges which only STOPPED visitors and Shoppers.

They will be Voted out at the Next Elections, and NEVER get voted back
by the People of Brighton.

Thank God
The GREEN PARTY have Wasted Millions of Taxpayers Pounds on ill conceived and Costly Projects. Such as the 20mph Speed Limits most People would agree with 20mph near a Hospital, School, retirement Home ect, but NOT a Blanket 20mph ALL over the City. And the Parking Charges which only STOPPED visitors and Shoppers. They will be Voted out at the Next Elections, and NEVER get voted back by the People of Brighton. Thank God clarkebrighton
  • Score: 26

1:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

John60 says...

Jason Kitcat, you're such a knob! You need a good slap to bring your ego down to reality you stupid unlikable man!
Jason Kitcat, you're such a knob! You need a good slap to bring your ego down to reality you stupid unlikable man! John60
  • Score: 23

1:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

The Greens will be thought of favourably by the voters in B&H who rely on/want handouts. Might help them take votes off Labour.....
The Greens will be thought of favourably by the voters in B&H who rely on/want handouts. Might help them take votes off Labour..... Plantpot
  • Score: 1

1:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

John60 wrote:
Jason Kitcat, you're such a knob! You need a good slap to bring your ego down to reality you stupid unlikable man!
When I see his smirking face I can't help thinking that if I were to start punching it I'd have great difficulty in stopping. Think of all the millions of pounds he has wasted - not his money but money given by the hard working people of Brighton, many of whom have struggled and gone without in order to pay their Council Tax. You are a disgrace KittyKat. Resign now.
[quote][p][bold]John60[/bold] wrote: Jason Kitcat, you're such a knob! You need a good slap to bring your ego down to reality you stupid unlikable man![/p][/quote]When I see his smirking face I can't help thinking that if I were to start punching it I'd have great difficulty in stopping. Think of all the millions of pounds he has wasted - not his money but money given by the hard working people of Brighton, many of whom have struggled and gone without in order to pay their Council Tax. You are a disgrace KittyKat. Resign now. Martin999
  • Score: 25

2:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

TonyTony says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Vote Green Get **** on
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Vote Green Get **** on TonyTony
  • Score: 21

2:40pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Bill in Hanover says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Having read a few of HJarrs comments I'm of the opinion that he is the official Green Party Gimp.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Having read a few of HJarrs comments I'm of the opinion that he is the official Green Party Gimp. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 20

4:57pm Sat 18 Jan 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Firstly the councillors should cut their enormous salaries in half. Then we might actually believe they are doing this for the good of the people and the town.

Next they should look into cutting down on things that aren't essential - like giving money to over paid contractors and start hiring cheaper contractors who will do a better job because they are keen to keep the contract rather than just knowing they will get it year after year.

Why not charge businesses that don't pay any tax in the UK more money for their rates? Companies like Vodaphone, Boots, Topshop, Evans, BHS etc - these are the businesses that are making our country bankrupt with the help of the banks. Charge banks more too as they have already had far too much money given to them by our useless corrupt government.

Iceland didn't bail their banks out and jailed them instead - far better and now their economy is doing very well.

To me this proves we are being run by continuously corrupt governments - labour, conservatives and lib dems are all in it together.

Time for a new party and one that isn't privatising the NHS.
Firstly the councillors should cut their enormous salaries in half. Then we might actually believe they are doing this for the good of the people and the town. Next they should look into cutting down on things that aren't essential - like giving money to over paid contractors and start hiring cheaper contractors who will do a better job because they are keen to keep the contract rather than just knowing they will get it year after year. Why not charge businesses that don't pay any tax in the UK more money for their rates? Companies like Vodaphone, Boots, Topshop, Evans, BHS etc - these are the businesses that are making our country bankrupt with the help of the banks. Charge banks more too as they have already had far too much money given to them by our useless corrupt government. Iceland didn't bail their banks out and jailed them instead - far better and now their economy is doing very well. To me this proves we are being run by continuously corrupt governments - labour, conservatives and lib dems are all in it together. Time for a new party and one that isn't privatising the NHS. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 6

5:25pm Sat 18 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else.

As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.
You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?
What is it about Green supporters that means they can't make a point without trying to belittle others ? So now I "don't understand politics" and yesterday I was a liar.

Yes, politics is country wide but when you elect councillors you elect them to run THIS city using the resources it has. All councils are under pressure and are getting on with it without this pathetic display of political gesturing.
Belittling? Very large pot calls kettle black.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]No voter in this city gave the Green Party the permission to pick a fight with the government. Instead they were elected to run this city - nothing else. As for the low blow of trying to embarrass people into supporting a referendum with the "think about the vulnerable" strap line - well gutter politics. There are plenty of other things the council spends its money on that can be cut INSTEAD of services to the vulnerable.[/p][/quote]You don't really understand politics do you? Brighton and Hove doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the country and central govt! I'm proud that our council is standing up to the Tories unlike Labour who are prepared to deals with them; why aren't they shouting about the cuts to the public sector?[/p][/quote]What is it about Green supporters that means they can't make a point without trying to belittle others ? So now I "don't understand politics" and yesterday I was a liar. Yes, politics is country wide but when you elect councillors you elect them to run THIS city using the resources it has. All councils are under pressure and are getting on with it without this pathetic display of political gesturing.[/p][/quote]Belittling? Very large pot calls kettle black. HJarrs
  • Score: -10

5:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Vote Labour, get Tory?

Do you mean like 'Buy One Get One Free'? ..... that's not a bad little deal.

Many thanks. I'll do as you suggest.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Vote Labour, get Tory? Do you mean like 'Buy One Get One Free'? ..... that's not a bad little deal. Many thanks. I'll do as you suggest. Quiterie
  • Score: 10

5:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first? HJarrs
  • Score: -12

5:57pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?[/p][/quote]Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services. Fight_Back
  • Score: 9

6:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
If we hadn't p1ssed all the pot up against the wall on cycle lanes HJ we could have avoided any closures
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?[/p][/quote]If we hadn't p1ssed all the pot up against the wall on cycle lanes HJ we could have avoided any closures I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 10

7:35pm Sat 18 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
If we hadn't p1ssed all the pot up against the wall on cycle lanes HJ we could have avoided any closures
Oh yes and the bus lanes and the 20 mph limits that no one wanted have all eaten into the pot.

Perhaps if we cut back on students, street drinkers and similar others we could balance the books. But then I feel another vanity project coming on.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?[/p][/quote]If we hadn't p1ssed all the pot up against the wall on cycle lanes HJ we could have avoided any closures[/p][/quote]Oh yes and the bus lanes and the 20 mph limits that no one wanted have all eaten into the pot. Perhaps if we cut back on students, street drinkers and similar others we could balance the books. But then I feel another vanity project coming on. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 10

8:44pm Sat 18 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services.
I don't know where you have been hiding, but the cuts are to run year on year until at least 2018. From media reports, it looks like the biggest hits to B&H next year will be care of the elderly, social services and to charities that provide many services to the most vulnerable in the city.

Labour councils up and down the country are meekly accepting the Tory cuts agenda, slashing jobs and services like libraries, children's centres, care homes etc. In this city Labour are even proposing to join the Tories! If Labour get elected in May 2015, you can bet Warren Morgan will, just like all the other Labour councils, be chopping children's centres and a lot more besides. Labour are spineless.

Time you changed your name, how about Labour Appologist, because the only fight back is by the Greens against government cuts!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?[/p][/quote]Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services.[/p][/quote]I don't know where you have been hiding, but the cuts are to run year on year until at least 2018. From media reports, it looks like the biggest hits to B&H next year will be care of the elderly, social services and to charities that provide many services to the most vulnerable in the city. Labour councils up and down the country are meekly accepting the Tory cuts agenda, slashing jobs and services like libraries, children's centres, care homes etc. In this city Labour are even proposing to join the Tories! If Labour get elected in May 2015, you can bet Warren Morgan will, just like all the other Labour councils, be chopping children's centres and a lot more besides. Labour are spineless. Time you changed your name, how about Labour Appologist, because the only fight back is by the Greens against government cuts! HJarrs
  • Score: -11

8:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it. Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

9:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision.
You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous.
And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch.
Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.
Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?
Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services.
I don't know where you have been hiding, but the cuts are to run year on year until at least 2018. From media reports, it looks like the biggest hits to B&H next year will be care of the elderly, social services and to charities that provide many services to the most vulnerable in the city.

Labour councils up and down the country are meekly accepting the Tory cuts agenda, slashing jobs and services like libraries, children's centres, care homes etc. In this city Labour are even proposing to join the Tories! If Labour get elected in May 2015, you can bet Warren Morgan will, just like all the other Labour councils, be chopping children's centres and a lot more besides. Labour are spineless.

Time you changed your name, how about Labour Appologist, because the only fight back is by the Greens against government cuts!
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The Green Party wanted to spend £230,000 of our money handing over responsibility for setting council tax to the public. This is because next year is election year and they are at the bottom of the polls. They could then escape responsibility for any outcomes of the budget setting in the city in their re election campaign and proudly state that you the public made the decision. You have been rumbled Mr Kitkat and it's nothing short of scandalous. And if you think anyone in this city trusts you to spend our money on the most vulnerable when you have wasted millions on vanity projects for minuscule numbers of people then you must think the public very stupid. And to suggest a 4.75 per cent increase shows how out of touch you are. Are you all self employed in your party where you sit at home working not mixing with ordinary people? It's really odd that you are so out of touch. Stand down it's becoming painful to watch this council play out to the end.[/p][/quote]Ah Maxwell! The anti cycling cyclist. You were lecturing us about child poverty over the last few weeks (surprising as you don't even like kids!). Which children's centre would you like you LabCons to close first?[/p][/quote]Hang on - you've only just posted elsewhere that this rise is to prevent the closure of services to the elderly - all of a sudden it's to do with youth services.[/p][/quote]I don't know where you have been hiding, but the cuts are to run year on year until at least 2018. From media reports, it looks like the biggest hits to B&H next year will be care of the elderly, social services and to charities that provide many services to the most vulnerable in the city. Labour councils up and down the country are meekly accepting the Tory cuts agenda, slashing jobs and services like libraries, children's centres, care homes etc. In this city Labour are even proposing to join the Tories! If Labour get elected in May 2015, you can bet Warren Morgan will, just like all the other Labour councils, be chopping children's centres and a lot more besides. Labour are spineless. Time you changed your name, how about Labour Appologist, because the only fight back is by the Greens against government cuts![/p][/quote]DO NOT FEED THE TROLL cynic_the
  • Score: 3

9:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ourcoalition says...

In the words (sort of) of Pastor Niemoller in 1930's Germany.....

"First they came for the poor; then they divided the private and public sectors; then they split those who have and don't have; they divided all the decent people; and when they came for me, there was no one left."

People, open your eyes - these cuts are caused by the intent of this Government to destroy the public sector, to have a low wage economy(both in the private and public sectors) and so much more.

Whilst their friends, the rich and powerful are completely protected, and in fact, get richer. And who creates their wealth - you and I.

Are you going to let them get away with it - are you going to allow them to divide you?

Never mind referendums, never mind the position of the Red and Green Teams - out there, real, decent people are suffering through no fault of their own. If you believe in a civilised society, get organised and fight back - otherwise all the debate on here is utterly irrelevant.

Something has to be done and some decent people have to do it!!!
In the words (sort of) of Pastor Niemoller in 1930's Germany..... "First they came for the poor; then they divided the private and public sectors; then they split those who have and don't have; they divided all the decent people; and when they came for me, there was no one left." People, open your eyes - these cuts are caused by the intent of this Government to destroy the public sector, to have a low wage economy(both in the private and public sectors) and so much more. Whilst their friends, the rich and powerful are completely protected, and in fact, get richer. And who creates their wealth - you and I. Are you going to let them get away with it - are you going to allow them to divide you? Never mind referendums, never mind the position of the Red and Green Teams - out there, real, decent people are suffering through no fault of their own. If you believe in a civilised society, get organised and fight back - otherwise all the debate on here is utterly irrelevant. Something has to be done and some decent people have to do it!!! ourcoalition
  • Score: 4

10:09pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important.
Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual.
I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself.
My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews.
Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards.
HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important. Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual. I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself. My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews. Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

12:08am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

1:35am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important.
Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual.
I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself.
My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews.
Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards.
That is one seriously creepy little rant right there. You sound like a character from a Dickens novel.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important. Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual. I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself. My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews. Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards.[/p][/quote]That is one seriously creepy little rant right there. You sound like a character from a Dickens novel. Gribbet
  • Score: -5

1:57am Sun 19 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies? Roundbill
  • Score: 4

2:00am Sun 19 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Um, yeah, delete that first "don't" and change "fell" to "feel" and I might have a cohesive put-down there.
What can I say? It's b0ll0cks o'clock on a saturday night - what do you expect? The point still stands though.

Where's the tequila?
Um, yeah, delete that first "don't" and change "fell" to "feel" and I might have a cohesive put-down there. What can I say? It's b0ll0cks o'clock on a saturday night - what do you expect? The point still stands though. Where's the tequila? Roundbill
  • Score: 2

6:13am Sun 19 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that. Gribbet
  • Score: -4

7:08am Sun 19 Jan 14

NickBrt says...

i am in favour of a rise in Council Tax provided the money raised is not squandered on things like old people, children and schools but on important projects like travellers, protesters, students and the ever vexing issue of research into if we should call people Mr Mrs or Ms.
i am in favour of a rise in Council Tax provided the money raised is not squandered on things like old people, children and schools but on important projects like travellers, protesters, students and the ever vexing issue of research into if we should call people Mr Mrs or Ms. NickBrt
  • Score: 6

7:15am Sun 19 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

As HJ says - 'whichever way you view the Greens, we don't care anyway'

Bus lanes, cycle paths and anti working people policy...financial waste and opportunity cost is our mantra

Bring on Brighton ghetto

Street drinking, homeless types is our expertise (sic)..we are the Greens!
As HJ says - 'whichever way you view the Greens, we don't care anyway' Bus lanes, cycle paths and anti working people policy...financial waste and opportunity cost is our mantra Bring on Brighton ghetto Street drinking, homeless types is our expertise (sic)..we are the Greens! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 6

10:58am Sun 19 Jan 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

Time for your medication y'all
Time for your medication y'all Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Sun 19 Jan 14

gingersandy38 says...

what are the Greens doing to brighton
what are the Greens doing to brighton gingersandy38
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
You might want to learn to read - where did I say I didn't vote ? Regardless abstaining is a perfectly legitimate stance ( they do it in parliament all the time ). But just for you, I used two votes for the Tories and one vote for the Greens at the last local election. The Greens won't be getting my vote in 2015 ..... possibly never again actually.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]You might want to learn to read - where did I say I didn't vote ? Regardless abstaining is a perfectly legitimate stance ( they do it in parliament all the time ). But just for you, I used two votes for the Tories and one vote for the Greens at the last local election. The Greens won't be getting my vote in 2015 ..... possibly never again actually. Fight_Back
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Richada says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJ

Why have the people stopped believing in us. Our relentless spin should have kept the idiots fooled until we destroyed the city and created a car free ghetto, jam packed with non working, problem types.

Time for one of your very special posts HJ Mention cycling to the 24 hour vacuum shop and tell the readers about how happy all the shop keepers are on London Road...that should do the trick :-)
Problem.......

........Not sure he knows where London Road is.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: HJ Why have the people stopped believing in us. Our relentless spin should have kept the idiots fooled until we destroyed the city and created a car free ghetto, jam packed with non working, problem types. Time for one of your very special posts HJ Mention cycling to the 24 hour vacuum shop and tell the readers about how happy all the shop keepers are on London Road...that should do the trick :-)[/p][/quote]Problem....... ........Not sure he knows where London Road is. Richada
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
Your ridiculous spin, in attempting to defend the indefensible becomes ever more hilarious.

Until very recently, when the refuse collection failed so spectacularly, to my shame, like the majority here, I took very little interest in local politics. Now, it appears to me - as a Brighton and Hove council tax payer - that we residents have been let down in every way that it is possible to be let down by a local "administration". I use inverted commas in this instance, as with the Green council, administration appears to be a relative term.

You appear to be totally blind to the enormous damage that this council's actions and failure to provide basic services have done, not only to the city as a whole, but to the reputation of your own party.

Vote Green get total chaos.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]Your ridiculous spin, in attempting to defend the indefensible becomes ever more hilarious. Until very recently, when the refuse collection failed so spectacularly, to my shame, like the majority here, I took very little interest in local politics. Now, it appears to me - as a Brighton and Hove council tax payer - that we residents have been let down in every way that it is possible to be let down by a local "administration". I use inverted commas in this instance, as with the Green council, administration appears to be a relative term. You appear to be totally blind to the enormous damage that this council's actions and failure to provide basic services have done, not only to the city as a whole, but to the reputation of your own party. Vote Green get total chaos. Richada
  • Score: 6

8:12pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then? Roundbill
  • Score: 4

11:57pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
It's the law.

Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote?

We don't live in Nazi Germany.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?[/p][/quote]It's the law. Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote? We don't live in Nazi Germany. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

12:15am Mon 20 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
As HJ says - 'whichever way you view the Greens, we don't care anyway'

Bus lanes, cycle paths and anti working people policy...financial waste and opportunity cost is our mantra

Bring on Brighton ghetto

Street drinking, homeless types is our expertise (sic)..we are the Greens!
You are UKIP
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: As HJ says - 'whichever way you view the Greens, we don't care anyway' Bus lanes, cycle paths and anti working people policy...financial waste and opportunity cost is our mantra Bring on Brighton ghetto Street drinking, homeless types is our expertise (sic)..we are the Greens![/p][/quote]You are UKIP Gribbet
  • Score: 0

6:14am Mon 20 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
It's the law.

Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote?

We don't live in Nazi Germany.
Erm...
There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?[/p][/quote]It's the law. Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote? We don't live in Nazi Germany.[/p][/quote]Erm... There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly. Roundbill
  • Score: 2

7:30am Mon 20 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
It's the law.

Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote?

We don't live in Nazi Germany.
Erm...
There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly.
No contradiction at all.

You seem to think that people with mental illness don't have a legal right to vote.

I'm saying they have as much right to vote as anyone else.

You said you were drunk when you replied to the comment, so maybe have a read through again from the start.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?[/p][/quote]It's the law. Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote? We don't live in Nazi Germany.[/p][/quote]Erm... There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly.[/p][/quote]No contradiction at all. You seem to think that people with mental illness don't have a legal right to vote. I'm saying they have as much right to vote as anyone else. You said you were drunk when you replied to the comment, so maybe have a read through again from the start. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

7:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important.
Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual.
I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself.
My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews.
Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards.
Sorry Maxwell, no biting hands here. I know you would like yout comments to be true, but I am afraid for you that you make no contribution to my family, we more than pay our own way when it comes to tax. My parents pay tax on their pensions too, so what? And selling a council property? Where did you get that from? Oh yes, I remember, in the dim and distant past you decided I had sold a council property in London to move to Brighton. Very amusing. Just because you make things up dies not make them true.

However, people are free to look back at the bile you have written about people having children, maybe I'll post one up!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs. I may not have kids but I care about people which is why the 20 percent of kids living in poverty is important. Your statement says more about you as quite a heartless individual. I am a higher rate tax payer, I pay for your kids, I pay for your wife to work part time, I pay for your kids education and schooling, I pay for the Level and the cycle lane. I own your family a little bit because you are unable to financially support yourself. My parents are in their 80s and they still pay tax on their pension to fund your family and the council property sale your profited from which you have talked about in other interviews. Never bite the hand that feeds your family HJarrs until you can pay your own way. I still own some of your home as do many of the city's tax payers who you are so belligerent towards.[/p][/quote]Sorry Maxwell, no biting hands here. I know you would like yout comments to be true, but I am afraid for you that you make no contribution to my family, we more than pay our own way when it comes to tax. My parents pay tax on their pensions too, so what? And selling a council property? Where did you get that from? Oh yes, I remember, in the dim and distant past you decided I had sold a council property in London to move to Brighton. Very amusing. Just because you make things up dies not make them true. However, people are free to look back at the bile you have written about people having children, maybe I'll post one up! HJarrs
  • Score: 0

8:38am Mon 20 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city.
I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

9:18am Mon 20 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
It's the law.

Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote?

We don't live in Nazi Germany.
Unfortunately for your argument there are most definitely instances where one cannot vote due to mental illness. Take a quick look at Citizens Advice.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?[/p][/quote]It's the law. Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote? We don't live in Nazi Germany.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately for your argument there are most definitely instances where one cannot vote due to mental illness. Take a quick look at Citizens Advice. Plantpot
  • Score: 1

9:22am Mon 20 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city.
I think most people would say that the vulnerable should certainly be protected. But I won't be voting for any extra payments to government whilst so much money is wasted in the public sector, central or local.

BTW, raising council tax isn't fighting the cuts at all. Fighting the cuts would mean successfully persuading central govt. to back down. Raising council tax is just asking the hard-pressed taxpayer to make up the difference.

"Fighting the cuts" is just pathetic, meaningless posturing.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city.[/p][/quote]I think most people would say that the vulnerable should certainly be protected. But I won't be voting for any extra payments to government whilst so much money is wasted in the public sector, central or local. BTW, raising council tax isn't fighting the cuts at all. Fighting the cuts would mean successfully persuading central govt. to back down. Raising council tax is just asking the hard-pressed taxpayer to make up the difference. "Fighting the cuts" is just pathetic, meaningless posturing. Plantpot
  • Score: 1

9:26am Mon 20 Jan 14

salty_pete says...

Or the Greens could set a sensible budget. A budget means not spending money you haven't got. The Greens could try a radical approach and go to each head of service to start with a blank sheet of paper. Ask them first for the cost of maintaining statutory services, then whatever is left over can be distributed on a priority basis. Now that approach would be progressive and radical and wouldn't involve petty party politics at all, just straightforward management of resources. But I fear this is a concept totally unfamiliar to anything I've ever heard the Greens spout.
Or the Greens could set a sensible budget. A budget means not spending money you haven't got. The Greens could try a radical approach and go to each head of service to start with a blank sheet of paper. Ask them first for the cost of maintaining statutory services, then whatever is left over can be distributed on a priority basis. Now that approach would be progressive and radical and wouldn't involve petty party politics at all, just straightforward management of resources. But I fear this is a concept totally unfamiliar to anything I've ever heard the Greens spout. salty_pete
  • Score: 0

9:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

HJarrs wrote:
How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government.

Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly.

The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them.

Vote Labour get Tory
The labour party hasn't sunk at all, it just had the guts to block your bunch of pr4ts, we know the labour group is bad but they are a hundred times better than you morons
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: How times have changed and how low the Labour Party nationally and locally has now sunk. Gleefully joining with their palls in the Conservatives, this will not be a caretaker administration, it will be a coalition with Labour playing the patsy role that the Liberals do so well in government. Labour have done nothing across the country to avoid cuts other than wring their hands. Locally, they have treat the city with contempt with their instant dismissal of the referendum proposals and happily embracing of cuts to social services and the elderly. The choice is clear Labour and Conservatives; back a referendum to fight government cuts and let the city decide, or tell us which cuts you intend to make to the most vulnerable and take responsibility for them. Vote Labour get Tory[/p][/quote]The labour party hasn't sunk at all, it just had the guts to block your bunch of pr4ts, we know the labour group is bad but they are a hundred times better than you morons ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 0

10:21am Mon 20 Jan 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city.
And you would spend £230,000 of our money in an attempt to see if the non-moanerati, like turkeys voting for Christmas, will back you in an above twice inflation rate increase in local taxation........

I have not seen any cuts in the various vanity projects around the city, those always seem to be well financed. Indeed, we pay for those twice over - in our council tax and then in the loss of basic services which mysteriously there aren't the funds for.

Vote Green get total chaos.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I notice that the moanerati are now desperately trying to deflect attention from the substance of the article and the important issue at stake, which is that our great city is facing a massive cut in government grants and services to those most in need in the city, services that cannot be protected anymore. The choice is either to stand idly by and wring your hands or fight the cuts and raise revenues in the only way available, which is to moderately raise council tax. I think that the argument should be made to protect services and that the people Brighton and Hove should be given the choice. It is a shame that only one party is fighting the cuts in this city.[/p][/quote]And you would spend £230,000 of our money in an attempt to see if the non-moanerati, like turkeys voting for Christmas, will back you in an above twice inflation rate increase in local taxation........ I have not seen any cuts in the various vanity projects around the city, those always seem to be well financed. Indeed, we pay for those twice over - in our council tax and then in the loss of basic services which mysteriously there aren't the funds for. Vote Green get total chaos. Richada
  • Score: 2

12:25pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"?

Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.
Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?
People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender).

As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.
Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?
It's the law.

Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote?

We don't live in Nazi Germany.
Erm...
There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly.
No contradiction at all.

You seem to think that people with mental illness don't have a legal right to vote.

I'm saying they have as much right to vote as anyone else.

You said you were drunk when you replied to the comment, so maybe have a read through again from the start.
I didn't say I was drunk: I said it was late on a saturday night. I didn't realise it was an offence to post on here after a long day at work.
I don't think people with mental ill-health are precluded from voting: the point I was trying to make is that SOME people with mental ill-health are not allowed to vote, and therefore, by your argument, have no right to complain.
Apologies that there were a couple of two-syllable words in the preceding sentence: maybe you could ask a friend to read them out to you, or draw a picture for you to colour in.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: And there you go making yourself look even more silly - I'm neither a Labour supporter nor voter. Never mind you and your little bunch of Greens will be kicked out in 2015 and you will be whining on here that it was the "Labour Argus" that did it.[/p][/quote]Ever heard the saying "If you don't vote, you can't complain"? Basically you've waived your right to complain about how things are run.[/p][/quote]Interesting argument: does that mean that you don't fell that those without legal capacity, such as children, the mentally ill and people with moderate or severe learning difficulties, don't have the right to object to any council policies?[/p][/quote]People who are mentally ill or have learning difficulties have the same legal right to vote as everyone else (unless they're in the House of Lords or a detained offender). As for children complaining about politics - see William Hague in the 1970s - nobody wants to see that.[/p][/quote]Sorry, are you saying that people who are deemed not to have the mental capacity to vote have the mental capacity to vote? How does that work, then?[/p][/quote]It's the law. Where did you get this idea that the right to vote depends on someone deciding whether another person has the mental capacity to vote? We don't live in Nazi Germany.[/p][/quote]Erm... There's not much point continuing this particular debate: you're contradicting yourself and starting to look silly.[/p][/quote]No contradiction at all. You seem to think that people with mental illness don't have a legal right to vote. I'm saying they have as much right to vote as anyone else. You said you were drunk when you replied to the comment, so maybe have a read through again from the start.[/p][/quote]I didn't say I was drunk: I said it was late on a saturday night. I didn't realise it was an offence to post on here after a long day at work. I don't think people with mental ill-health are precluded from voting: the point I was trying to make is that SOME people with mental ill-health are not allowed to vote, and therefore, by your argument, have no right to complain. Apologies that there were a couple of two-syllable words in the preceding sentence: maybe you could ask a friend to read them out to you, or draw a picture for you to colour in. Roundbill
  • Score: 0

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