Jason Kitcat vows not to resign in face of opposition bid to oust Greens

The Argus: Jason Kitcat vows not to resign in face of opposition bid to oust Greens Jason Kitcat vows not to resign in face of opposition bid to oust Greens

The leader of the country’s only Green council has vowed not to resign as opposition parties pledge to unite to oust the group.

Political rivals have been queueing up to criticise Brighton and Hove City Council’s Green administration after it revealed plans for a 4.75% council tax rise – a move that would trigger a referendum costing £230,000.

Within hours, Labour councillors – who form the smallest group on the council – called for a vote of no confidence in the Greens and for a caretaker administration to take over until next May.

The Argus can now reveal that Conservative members will support the call at a key town hall meeting next week. But last night council leader Jason Kitcat slammed the motion, vowing: “I will not resign.”

It comes as The Argus continued to poll residents about their views on the planned council tax rise – with more than 80% of people on the street voting against despite the promise it would help protect vital services.

The motion, which will be discussed by all councillors at a meeting of full council on January 30, calls for the Green leadership to resign.

It then suggests the council’s chief executive work with the leaders of the three parties to establish a caretaker administration to run the local authority on a “sensible and consensual basis”.

In a statement, Labour group leader Warren Morgan said: “It will require compromises from Green and Conser- vative councillors, and the involvement of councillors from all parties who command respect across the council chamber and the city.

“The residents of Brighton and Hove want their council run properly, and basic services like refuse collection delivered reliably, until May next year when they can make the choice between electing a Labour, Tory or Green-led council.”

Speaking to The Argus last night, Coun Kitcat said: “I will not be resigning.

“It’s important to remember that motion does not have actual power and Labour has knowingly done that.

“It’s just cynical political game play to detract from the funding debate.

“Previous Labour [council] leaders such as Ken Bodfish had two or three against them but they carried on.

“It’s just one of those things and I’m focusing on doing the best for the city above party-politics.”

The Conservative position was confirmed after a meeting of its councillors on Monday night.

In a statement, Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald said: “I can confirm that we will be supporting the motion of no confidence.” But Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

The Green administration (21 councillors) revealed its proposal for a 4.75% council tax rise for 2014/15 last week.

It claimed the move, which works out as an increase of £5 a month for a Band D household, would help it fill a £2 million black hole as it looks to make £24 million of savings in the face of government cuts.

The Conservatives (18) back a freeze while Labour (14) appear committed to a 2% rise – the most allowed without holding a city-wide referendum.

With the budget not being set until a council meeting on February 27, The Argus launched its own poll. More than 300 people have already had their say.

Yesterday, roving reporters Francesca Greetham, Tony O'Hara, John Lucas and Ruari Barratt asked the public how they would vote. In total, 250 people said they would vote against the council tax rise and 50 said they would vote in favour.

Retired Sheila Anscombe, 69, of Wilson Avenue, Brighton, said: “I think it's disgusting, because people are finding it hard as it is. “They're just taking and giving nothing back.”

Helen Folkes, 63, of Southall Avenue, also retired, added: “£230,000 pounds could go on hospitals, it could go on schools, instead of wasting it... no matter how we vote, they get their way.”

James Vasconcelles, 43, of Sefton Road, slammed the proposed rise as “just more money from the general public”.

We will speak to more residents in Hollingbury and George Street, Hove, today with the results in The Argus on Thursday.

Our final poll of on-street surveys, postal votes and online responses will then be printed in the paper on February 13.

You can also comment on our Facebook page, or use the Twitter hashtag #bhref.

Postal forms should be returned to Neil Vowles at Argus House, Crowhurst Road, Brighton, BN1 8AR. To download one, right click on the image below and select Save As.

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9:17am Wed 22 Jan 14

s&k says...

In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour. s&k

9:26am Wed 22 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

This man has no humility, no shame and no sense of duty or honour, what an embarrassment to the town.

Instead of resigning couldn't he just fall onto a very large sword?
This man has no humility, no shame and no sense of duty or honour, what an embarrassment to the town. Instead of resigning couldn't he just fall onto a very large sword? The Prophet of Doom

9:39am Wed 22 Jan 14

Dr Wombleface says...

He seems to have that same smug look in every single photo. Time to go Jason.
He seems to have that same smug look in every single photo. Time to go Jason. Dr Wombleface

9:54am Wed 22 Jan 14

Postman_Pat says...

Scrap the referendum and ask people on their council tax form if they want to make an additional contribution on their council tax towards social care. If they do, amend their payments and ringfence the additional money received.

Lets see how many people put their money where their mouth is.
Scrap the referendum and ask people on their council tax form if they want to make an additional contribution on their council tax towards social care. If they do, amend their payments and ringfence the additional money received. Lets see how many people put their money where their mouth is. Postman_Pat

10:14am Wed 22 Jan 14

Cave Johnson says...

His massive ego wil not allow him to resign.
His massive ego wil not allow him to resign. Cave Johnson

10:15am Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

If he won't resign, does that mean he'll have to be forcefully removed from the chamber at some stage?

Glad to see the Argus are keeping the "on street" pole completely seperate from the online one, although it would appear that even the online one seems to be turning back against the 4.75% increase.

Hopefully, very soon we can all go back to getting our fill of melons and mangos at the supermarket for I fear that they will be "out of stock" in Kings House very soon and for the foreseeable future after that.

Personally speaking this all makes me quite sad. The Greens truly should have offered many of us, disenchanted with party politics in local government, a viable alternative to the "same old" ways. Unfortunately, all they have succeeded in doing, in spectacular style, is to prove that they have neither the experience, maturity, or organisational skils required to run an administration. They have behaved like kids in a sweet factory, playing fast and loose with public funds and squabbling amongst themselves as the people they serve turned against them in droves.

On a local scale, was there ever a clearer case of Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned I wonder?
If he won't resign, does that mean he'll have to be forcefully removed from the chamber at some stage? Glad to see the Argus are keeping the "on street" pole completely seperate from the online one, although it would appear that even the online one seems to be turning back against the 4.75% increase. Hopefully, very soon we can all go back to getting our fill of melons and mangos at the supermarket for I fear that they will be "out of stock" in Kings House very soon and for the foreseeable future after that. Personally speaking this all makes me quite sad. The Greens truly should have offered many of us, disenchanted with party politics in local government, a viable alternative to the "same old" ways. Unfortunately, all they have succeeded in doing, in spectacular style, is to prove that they have neither the experience, maturity, or organisational skils required to run an administration. They have behaved like kids in a sweet factory, playing fast and loose with public funds and squabbling amongst themselves as the people they serve turned against them in droves. On a local scale, was there ever a clearer case of Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned I wonder? Richada

10:18am Wed 22 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN!
Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN! JerryOnly

10:24am Wed 22 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.
It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition. Eugenius

10:25am Wed 22 Jan 14

s&k says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
This man has no humility, no shame and no sense of duty or honour, what an embarrassment to the town. Instead of resigning couldn't he just fall onto a very large sword?
Seems a bit harsh.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: This man has no humility, no shame and no sense of duty or honour, what an embarrassment to the town. Instead of resigning couldn't he just fall onto a very large sword?[/p][/quote]Seems a bit harsh. s&k

10:26am Wed 22 Jan 14

pjwilk says...

Where else would he get that pay and expenses for making such a mess of a great town,nobody listens to the voters or Brightons inhabitants .
Where else would he get that pay and expenses for making such a mess of a great town,nobody listens to the voters or Brightons inhabitants . pjwilk

10:30am Wed 22 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now."

I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.
Conservative colleague Tony Janio said: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now." I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony. Warren Morgan

10:34am Wed 22 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Eugenius wrote:
It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.
You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.[/p][/quote]You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories gheese77

10:36am Wed 22 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

JerryOnly wrote:
Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN!
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN![/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days. Warren Morgan

10:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

gheese77 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.
You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.[/p][/quote]You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories[/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days. Warren Morgan

10:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

Morpheus says...

At last the Labour and Tory parties are doing what they should have done some time ago.
At last the Labour and Tory parties are doing what they should have done some time ago. Morpheus

10:38am Wed 22 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
JerryOnly wrote:
Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN!
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
Apols Jerry - website picked up wrong quote.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN![/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.[/p][/quote]Apols Jerry - website picked up wrong quote. Warren Morgan

10:39am Wed 22 Jan 14

mickagull says...

s&k wrote:
In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Brilliant. How about In the words of the moody Blues, "Go Now" sorry greens but you have not got a clue about people finances and how hard Brighton born people are all struggling just to keep our heads above water.
You are wasting millions on things that are not important and I don't men environmental issue. Come and live in our world it's black and white.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Brilliant. How about In the words of the moody Blues, "Go Now" sorry greens but you have not got a clue about people finances and how hard Brighton born people are all struggling just to keep our heads above water. You are wasting millions on things that are not important and I don't men environmental issue. Come and live in our world it's black and white. mickagull

10:44am Wed 22 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided? Gribbet

10:44am Wed 22 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
JerryOnly wrote:
Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN!
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
Apols Jerry - website picked up wrong quote.
No problem Warren, say do you know any parties which collect bins on time, don't destroy the flow of traffic and trade within a city and would like to be elected next year?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN![/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.[/p][/quote]Apols Jerry - website picked up wrong quote.[/p][/quote]No problem Warren, say do you know any parties which collect bins on time, don't destroy the flow of traffic and trade within a city and would like to be elected next year? JerryOnly

10:53am Wed 22 Jan 14

MikeyA says...

Cave Johnson wrote:
His massive ego wil not allow him to resign.
Firing squad?
[quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: His massive ego wil not allow him to resign.[/p][/quote]Firing squad? MikeyA

10:55am Wed 22 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

This person will not leave until he has the written proof that he has broken the City, he lacks all morals and is a self promoting egotist
This person will not leave until he has the written proof that he has broken the City, he lacks all morals and is a self promoting egotist ThinkBrighton

10:57am Wed 22 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now."

I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.
Like I said about Warren's grandstanding accusations... Pot and kettle?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Conservative colleague Tony Janio said: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now." I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.[/p][/quote]Like I said about Warren's grandstanding accusations... Pot and kettle? Gribbet

11:28am Wed 22 Jan 14

Mark63 says...

The Greens are wasting our money on anti-car policies which they are obsessed with. Spend that money on critically needed services and stop dictating where and when we can drive and park and how much you are going to thieve from us for the privilege.
The Greens are wasting our money on anti-car policies which they are obsessed with. Spend that money on critically needed services and stop dictating where and when we can drive and park and how much you are going to thieve from us for the privilege. Mark63

11:32am Wed 22 Jan 14

wippasnapper says...

s&k wrote:
In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity.
And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs. wippasnapper

11:33am Wed 22 Jan 14

easyrider says...

KitKat is a prat.

He says he is hoicking up council tax "for the future of our city".

The man is on record as saying the tax increase is to sustain his obsession with "the disadvantaged".

But he's too dumb to realise that there is an endless supply of the disadvantaged and they take the train from Victoria to Brighton every day because they know KitKat and Ko. are a soft touch and will cough up to keep them.

Does Brighton really want to continue paying to keep the disadvantaged of London and the South East as well as its own ?
KitKat is a prat. He says he is hoicking up council tax "for the future of our city". The man is on record as saying the tax increase is to sustain his obsession with "the disadvantaged". But he's too dumb to realise that there is an endless supply of the disadvantaged and they take the train from Victoria to Brighton every day because they know KitKat and Ko. are a soft touch and will cough up to keep them. Does Brighton really want to continue paying to keep the disadvantaged of London and the South East as well as its own ? easyrider

11:38am Wed 22 Jan 14

s&k says...

wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.
What a load of gibberish.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.[/p][/quote]What a load of gibberish. s&k

11:38am Wed 22 Jan 14

martnin says...

Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
Because there weren't any.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]Because there weren't any. martnin

12:01pm Wed 22 Jan 14

straightasadye says...

Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan
was leader of the council.
Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan was leader of the council. straightasadye

12:04pm Wed 22 Jan 14

fred clause says...

Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
If they were so confident of being voted in why go target all the students who are here for a very short period of time we all know the greens have made a massive mess and its time to go so do the decent thing Jason resign while you still have some dignity left.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]If they were so confident of being voted in why go target all the students who are here for a very short period of time we all know the greens have made a massive mess and its time to go so do the decent thing Jason resign while you still have some dignity left. fred clause

12:04pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Zamora25 says...

Bugger off Kitkat!
Bugger off Kitkat! Zamora25

12:15pm Wed 22 Jan 14

the red head says...

Where is the accountability for the failure of this council? All we get is fingers in ears, la la we're not listening from the greens.
Thank you to the opposition councillors finally saving us from this debacle.
Where is the accountability for the failure of this council? All we get is fingers in ears, la la we're not listening from the greens. Thank you to the opposition councillors finally saving us from this debacle. the red head

12:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

...give us a break!
...give us a break! Tailgaters Anonymous

12:21pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wippasnapper says...

Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration. wippasnapper

12:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.
You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
Who says I am a green ! I just said why I no longer vote labour. Blair/Brown gave us wars and the biggest recession in living memory. Labour will have to go a long way to win my vote again
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's sad to see how far Labour has shifted to the right. They should be working with the Greens to resist the Government's cuts, not signing up to a new Labour/Tory coalition.[/p][/quote]You are correct, I no longer vote labour because I cant detect any real difference between them and the tories[/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.[/p][/quote]Who says I am a green ! I just said why I no longer vote labour. Blair/Brown gave us wars and the biggest recession in living memory. Labour will have to go a long way to win my vote again gheese77

12:28pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wippasnapper says...

s&k wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.
What a load of gibberish.
You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun!
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.[/p][/quote]What a load of gibberish.[/p][/quote]You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun! wippasnapper

12:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wippasnapper says...

The thing with the greens ideology of a Referendum is it doesn’t matter how many “NO” votes because they just discount the no’s and triple the yes votes and then go ahead bold as brass and say that’s what we the residents of B&H have voted for i.e. turning a blind eye to the truth as they always do and what gets me is the Tory government have offered them money so they do not have to double our council tax bills but just like a spoilt little brat he has refused help from the government witch makes him more carol and inhumane thank god he’s not the Prime Minister because this country would be in deep s-h-i-t
The thing with the greens ideology of a Referendum is it doesn’t matter how many “NO” votes because they just discount the no’s and triple the yes votes and then go ahead bold as brass and say that’s what we the residents of B&H have voted for i.e. turning a blind eye to the truth as they always do and what gets me is the Tory government have offered them money so they do not have to double our council tax bills but just like a spoilt little brat he has refused help from the government witch makes him more carol and inhumane thank god he’s not the Prime Minister because this country would be in deep s-h-i-t wippasnapper

12:49pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote? Gribbet

12:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

DrJetty says...

I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the green party members think they are doing magnificent job, they believe they are making the right decisions that will benefit Brighton and mankind. After winning control of the council they brimmed with a confidence born from unexpected power via protest votes. The arrogance power gives meant their single minded green ideology would be forced upon an unsuspecting public. The Greens now see themselves as visionaries who are bold enough to make Brighton a green modern low carbon city where public transport and cycling are given privilege above everything else including cars and the commerce they bring. I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the greens arrogantly think one day they will be hailed as champions of Brighton and Hove; The greens obviously think they will have the plaudits and kudos from the city folk as the people who shaped our pollution free future. Maybe Mr Kitkat has already got thoughts on a statue of himself in the central valley somewhere, or even a council building named after him……I’m sure he’s thinking bigger than his name on one of his beloved privately owned buses he pays so much council money to help on their way….
I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the green party members think they are doing magnificent job, they believe they are making the right decisions that will benefit Brighton and mankind. After winning control of the council they brimmed with a confidence born from unexpected power via protest votes. The arrogance power gives meant their single minded green ideology would be forced upon an unsuspecting public. The Greens now see themselves as visionaries who are bold enough to make Brighton a green modern low carbon city where public transport and cycling are given privilege above everything else including cars and the commerce they bring. I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the greens arrogantly think one day they will be hailed as champions of Brighton and Hove; The greens obviously think they will have the plaudits and kudos from the city folk as the people who shaped our pollution free future. Maybe Mr Kitkat has already got thoughts on a statue of himself in the central valley somewhere, or even a council building named after him……I’m sure he’s thinking bigger than his name on one of his beloved privately owned buses he pays so much council money to help on their way…. DrJetty

1:16pm Wed 22 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.
What a load of gibberish.
You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun!
you should stop commenting, and save yourself any further embarrassment
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.[/p][/quote]What a load of gibberish.[/p][/quote]You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun![/p][/quote]you should stop commenting, and save yourself any further embarrassment All 9 of me

1:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

Tailgaters Anonymous wrote:
...give us a break!
Would that not be cannabalism?
[quote][p][bold]Tailgaters Anonymous[/bold] wrote: ...give us a break![/p][/quote]Would that not be cannabalism? Richada

1:46pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now."

I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.
This bodes well for the future - two senior "party" members scoring points already.

We want LOCAL government that WORKS for us all, not the replacement of one chaotic shower with another.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Conservative colleague Tony Janio said: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now." I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.[/p][/quote]This bodes well for the future - two senior "party" members scoring points already. We want LOCAL government that WORKS for us all, not the replacement of one chaotic shower with another. Richada

1:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

rayellerton says...

Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Students should vote from their home address, not their term time address. They pay nothing in council tax here, so why should their views count towards running Brighton?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Students should vote from their home address, not their term time address. They pay nothing in council tax here, so why should their views count towards running Brighton? rayellerton

1:55pm Wed 22 Jan 14

her professional says...

martnin wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
Because there weren't any.
Read the article,yes there were
[quote][p][bold]martnin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]Because there weren't any.[/p][/quote]Read the article,yes there were her professional

1:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

her professional says...

martnin wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
Because there weren't any.
Read the article, yes there were
[quote][p][bold]martnin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]Because there weren't any.[/p][/quote]Read the article, yes there were her professional

2:06pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ? Fight_Back

2:32pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

I agree that students shouldn't be able to vote unless they can provide evidence that this is their HOME ADDRESS and not just their address for the duration of their studies here.

Why should we have to endure the Greens and their mistakes long after the students that voted them in have gone back home or moved on somewhere else ! It's a blatant farce that this is able to happen.
I agree that students shouldn't be able to vote unless they can provide evidence that this is their HOME ADDRESS and not just their address for the duration of their studies here. Why should we have to endure the Greens and their mistakes long after the students that voted them in have gone back home or moved on somewhere else ! It's a blatant farce that this is able to happen. Ambo Guy

2:46pm Wed 22 Jan 14

taman says...

send him and the rest of his cronies up there own bus lane and good riddance !!!!!!
send him and the rest of his cronies up there own bus lane and good riddance !!!!!! taman

2:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Warren Morgan says...

straightasadye wrote:
Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan
was leader of the council.
I get called a lot of things, (I've been compared to everything from a Toy Story character to Victor Meldrew in recent weeks) but that is probably my favourite so far! Thank you...
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan was leader of the council.[/p][/quote]I get called a lot of things, (I've been compared to everything from a Toy Story character to Victor Meldrew in recent weeks) but that is probably my favourite so far! Thank you... Warren Morgan

3:02pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

Good for Mr Kitkat. I'm glad he is not resigning. Because if he did, there is a virtual certainty he would be replaced with someone more capable and popular which would enhance the Green party's popularity and strengthen their position. And we certainly don't want that!
Good for Mr Kitkat. I'm glad he is not resigning. Because if he did, there is a virtual certainty he would be replaced with someone more capable and popular which would enhance the Green party's popularity and strengthen their position. And we certainly don't want that! Goldenwight

3:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

MuammarQaddafi says...

Mr Kitcat is certainly showing he is made of the same stuff as I was, and that fellow in Iraq. It is the true authoritarian mindset; never leave, fight 'til the bitter end.
Mr Kitcat is certainly showing he is made of the same stuff as I was, and that fellow in Iraq. It is the true authoritarian mindset; never leave, fight 'til the bitter end. MuammarQaddafi

3:25pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan
was leader of the council.
I get called a lot of things, (I've been compared to everything from a Toy Story character to Victor Meldrew in recent weeks) but that is probably my favourite so far! Thank you...
I actually know little about you Cllr Morgan, but I have to say I admire you for fronting up here using your own name, it's more than ANY of the others have the balls to do.

It is the "men of mystery" spin doctors defending the indefencable that deserve the bricbats here.........talking of which, HJarrs hasn't had a say on this one yet I see. Is he taking a rare day off?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Could be a lot worse if hard to fathom mystery man Morgan was leader of the council.[/p][/quote]I get called a lot of things, (I've been compared to everything from a Toy Story character to Victor Meldrew in recent weeks) but that is probably my favourite so far! Thank you...[/p][/quote]I actually know little about you Cllr Morgan, but I have to say I admire you for fronting up here using your own name, it's more than ANY of the others have the balls to do. It is the "men of mystery" spin doctors defending the indefencable that deserve the bricbats here.........talking of which, HJarrs hasn't had a say on this one yet I see. Is he taking a rare day off? Richada

3:34pm Wed 22 Jan 14

sailer says...

THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND
THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND sailer

3:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now."

I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.
Stop the political squabbling and point proving and create a caretaker council please, for the residents of this great city.

GET the greens out and stop your point scoring! Show the people you do actually listen
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Conservative colleague Tony Janio said: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now." I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.[/p][/quote]Stop the political squabbling and point proving and create a caretaker council please, for the residents of this great city. GET the greens out and stop your point scoring! Show the people you do actually listen Brighton1000

4:09pm Wed 22 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Jason, please just go and take the pompous HJarrs with you. You cannot win the referendum, or the next election. Shame really, because I had hoped the Green Party would do some good stuff in Brighton but you've proved that you aren't fit to govern.
Jason, please just go and take the pompous HJarrs with you. You cannot win the referendum, or the next election. Shame really, because I had hoped the Green Party would do some good stuff in Brighton but you've proved that you aren't fit to govern. thevoiceoftruth

4:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

sailer wrote:
THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND
Green Party-Tax & Spend
Labour Party - Tax and Spend and Borrow
Conservative Party - Tax and Spend a Little Less
Liberal Democrat Party - Wait to see which party wins and join them.

We are really spoilt for choice.
Whatever party wins, we shell out Billions to an unelected gravy train based in Brussels.
[quote][p][bold]sailer[/bold] wrote: THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND[/p][/quote]Green Party-Tax & Spend Labour Party - Tax and Spend and Borrow Conservative Party - Tax and Spend a Little Less Liberal Democrat Party - Wait to see which party wins and join them. We are really spoilt for choice. Whatever party wins, we shell out Billions to an unelected gravy train based in Brussels. Gee Jay

4:45pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wexler53 says...

“The residents of Brighton and Hove want their council run properly, and basic services like refuse collection delivered reliably, until May next year when they can make the choice between electing a Labour, Tory or Green-led council.”

Except we need this beyond next May, and without the greens.

Kit Kat and his fellows have the same outlook of a certain party and it's leader that finally met it's end back in 1945.

We don't need such a drastic outcome, but we do desperately need to see the back of you and your fellows Kit Kat.

Please do the decent thing, read and understand the writing on the wall, and leave Brighton. Come to think of it, leave the country.
“The residents of Brighton and Hove want their council run properly, and basic services like refuse collection delivered reliably, until May next year when they can make the choice between electing a Labour, Tory or Green-led council.” Except we need this beyond next May, and without the greens. Kit Kat and his fellows have the same outlook of a certain party and it's leader that finally met it's end back in 1945. We don't need such a drastic outcome, but we do desperately need to see the back of you and your fellows Kit Kat. Please do the decent thing, read and understand the writing on the wall, and leave Brighton. Come to think of it, leave the country. wexler53

5:07pm Wed 22 Jan 14

angrymonkey says...

you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year.
you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year. angrymonkey

5:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Zeta Function says...

DrJetty wrote:
I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the green party members think they are doing magnificent job, they believe they are making the right decisions that will benefit Brighton and mankind. After winning control of the council they brimmed with a confidence born from unexpected power via protest votes. The arrogance power gives meant their single minded green ideology would be forced upon an unsuspecting public. The Greens now see themselves as visionaries who are bold enough to make Brighton a green modern low carbon city where public transport and cycling are given privilege above everything else including cars and the commerce they bring. I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the greens arrogantly think one day they will be hailed as champions of Brighton and Hove; The greens obviously think they will have the plaudits and kudos from the city folk as the people who shaped our pollution free future. Maybe Mr Kitkat has already got thoughts on a statue of himself in the central valley somewhere, or even a council building named after him……I’m sure he’s thinking bigger than his name on one of his beloved privately owned buses he pays so much council money to help on their way….
What are you talking about? The driven car is still dominant in this city. It is noisy, expensive to run, takes up far too much space, -road size needs to be reduced, freeing up space for recreation and habitation- etc, More goods should be transported via rail.

It'll be some time before quiet self drive vehicles requiring reduced road space are available. Meanwhile oversized bulky vehicles you all are so addicted too will continue to slaughter thousands.
[quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the green party members think they are doing magnificent job, they believe they are making the right decisions that will benefit Brighton and mankind. After winning control of the council they brimmed with a confidence born from unexpected power via protest votes. The arrogance power gives meant their single minded green ideology would be forced upon an unsuspecting public. The Greens now see themselves as visionaries who are bold enough to make Brighton a green modern low carbon city where public transport and cycling are given privilege above everything else including cars and the commerce they bring. I’m sure Mr Kitkat and the greens arrogantly think one day they will be hailed as champions of Brighton and Hove; The greens obviously think they will have the plaudits and kudos from the city folk as the people who shaped our pollution free future. Maybe Mr Kitkat has already got thoughts on a statue of himself in the central valley somewhere, or even a council building named after him……I’m sure he’s thinking bigger than his name on one of his beloved privately owned buses he pays so much council money to help on their way….[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? The driven car is still dominant in this city. It is noisy, expensive to run, takes up far too much space, -road size needs to be reduced, freeing up space for recreation and habitation- etc, More goods should be transported via rail. It'll be some time before quiet self drive vehicles requiring reduced road space are available. Meanwhile oversized bulky vehicles you all are so addicted too will continue to slaughter thousands. Zeta Function

5:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Couple of observations

The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to

The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster

Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph

Laughable
Couple of observations The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong

6:00pm Wed 22 Jan 14

reddogs says...

Jason Kitkat is just one big W--------R the sooner him and his cronies are out the better Brighton will be the man has no ideas at all, all he thinks about are bus lanes and cycle lanes and ruining good moving traffic into curb crawling traffic out out out Kitkat and greens
Jason Kitkat is just one big W--------R the sooner him and his cronies are out the better Brighton will be the man has no ideas at all, all he thinks about are bus lanes and cycle lanes and ruining good moving traffic into curb crawling traffic out out out Kitkat and greens reddogs

6:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

LeonBIank666 says...

I have never known a politician with such little dignity.

Just resign. Nobody likes you and you smell of tinkle.
I have never known a politician with such little dignity. Just resign. Nobody likes you and you smell of tinkle. LeonBIank666

6:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

Dr Wombleface wrote:
He seems to have that same smug look in every single photo. Time to go Jason.
Smug because he knows he is earning thousands a month for F------ing it all up and nobody will deal with him.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Wombleface[/bold] wrote: He seems to have that same smug look in every single photo. Time to go Jason.[/p][/quote]Smug because he knows he is earning thousands a month for F------ing it all up and nobody will deal with him. Brighton Living

6:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ferrerorocher says...

Wasn't it only a few years ago that the Labour Party increased council tax 2 (possibly 3) years running at over 10% each year.
Wasn't it only a few years ago that the Labour Party increased council tax 2 (possibly 3) years running at over 10% each year. ferrerorocher

6:53pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

You get sick of seeing this bloke in the papers and in the news. I don't think anybody like this Tw@t!!!!!! . he's like a nappy smells and hangs around you all day.
You get sick of seeing this bloke in the papers and in the news. I don't think anybody like this Tw@t!!!!!! . he's like a nappy smells and hangs around you all day. Brighton Living

6:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

TonE60 says...

I've always voted Labour, mainly because I became old enough to vote during the Thatcher years I happen to think the Conservatives are only interested in the wealthy. Not sure about UKIP. However! I'd rather vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party than ever vote for the greens! I also agree with those who have commented that only PERMANENT residents of the City should be able to vote for this Cities council.
I've always voted Labour, mainly because I became old enough to vote during the Thatcher years I happen to think the Conservatives are only interested in the wealthy. Not sure about UKIP. However! I'd rather vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party than ever vote for the greens! I also agree with those who have commented that only PERMANENT residents of the City should be able to vote for this Cities council. TonE60

7:12pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Number Six says...

wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
s&k wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.
What a load of gibberish.
You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun!
What have witches and nuns go to do with anything? I know some of the Greens stuff is odd but I didn't think they needed the help of the occult or divine intervention
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Martin Luther King had ideals to witch the greens are far removed from such things but not even M.L.K. would double council tax in time’s of austerity. And Lee Nelson is a stand up comedian i.e. he try’s to make people lath wile the greens make people cry because they hardly have two penny’s to rub together to make ends meat; much like the Tory’s that dote give a dame about the people who are suffering at the hands of those in power – so if you call that ideals you’re a sad person just as they are with no morals for those that suffer duo to rising costs.[/p][/quote]What a load of gibberish.[/p][/quote]You’re the one with the gibberish – who in there right minds can make sense if KitKats ideology to witch you have nun![/p][/quote]What have witches and nuns go to do with anything? I know some of the Greens stuff is odd but I didn't think they needed the help of the occult or divine intervention Number Six

7:19pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Number Six says...

angrymonkey wrote:
you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year.
Vote for the Kippers? Are you sure that replacing one bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything with another bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything is a good idea. Anyway, since they think that the recent storms were God's punishment for allowing gay marriages Brighton might not be the best place for them
[quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year.[/p][/quote]Vote for the Kippers? Are you sure that replacing one bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything with another bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything is a good idea. Anyway, since they think that the recent storms were God's punishment for allowing gay marriages Brighton might not be the best place for them Number Six

7:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Number Six says...

On a more serious question if a government loses a confidence motion in Parliament it has to resign, as Callaghan did in 1979 so why doesn't the same rule apply to local government?
On a more serious question if a government loses a confidence motion in Parliament it has to resign, as Callaghan did in 1979 so why doesn't the same rule apply to local government? Number Six

7:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Bill in Hanover says...

s&k wrote:
In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Unfortunately their 'ideals' are centred around what they think is best for the residents, NOT what the residents think best. The recent Hanover and Elm Grove by election showed exactly who the Green Party look to for support when their candidate was quoted as saying 'I'd have won if the students hadn't been on holiday'. The Greens know that their loony projects only appeal to young people with no life experience who, as non-residents, don't have to bear the brunt of these projects
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately their 'ideals' are centred around what they think is best for the residents, NOT what the residents think best. The recent Hanover and Elm Grove by election showed exactly who the Green Party look to for support when their candidate was quoted as saying 'I'd have won if the students hadn't been on holiday'. The Greens know that their loony projects only appeal to young people with no life experience who, as non-residents, don't have to bear the brunt of these projects Bill in Hanover

8:03pm Wed 22 Jan 14

qm says...

Speaking of an "immoral abuse of power" . . . . . . .
Speaking of an "immoral abuse of power" . . . . . . . qm

8:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

qm says...

Something I came across some time ago:

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Sound familiar?
Something I came across some time ago: Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. Sound familiar? qm

8:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Number Six wrote:
angrymonkey wrote:
you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year.
Vote for the Kippers? Are you sure that replacing one bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything with another bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything is a good idea. Anyway, since they think that the recent storms were God's punishment for allowing gay marriages Brighton might not be the best place for them
I think it would be brilliant if the gays controlled the weather! With all the concentrated gayness of Brighton think of the power we would have over the rest of the country or indeed the world!
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: you want to help Brighton be what it once was might have to try ukip money might stay in the UK then and all the crime that's filling Brighton from Eastern European areas. Watch out for the huggers now but makes a change from the rapes always in Brighton the past year.[/p][/quote]Vote for the Kippers? Are you sure that replacing one bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything with another bunch of loony extremists with absolutely no experience of running anything is a good idea. Anyway, since they think that the recent storms were God's punishment for allowing gay marriages Brighton might not be the best place for them[/p][/quote]I think it would be brilliant if the gays controlled the weather! With all the concentrated gayness of Brighton think of the power we would have over the rest of the country or indeed the world! JHunty

8:36pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Wippasnapper didn't say that students should be denied a vote, but simply pointed out that their residency is transient here.

They have permanent residences elsewhere, where they spend as much time as they spend here - let them vote there rather than skew our local elections and then buzz off so they don't have the consequences.

Personally I think there is a good argument for only voting in local elections where you pay your council tax and most students contributions are covered by their parents so they could vote where they live.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Wippasnapper didn't say that students should be denied a vote, but simply pointed out that their residency is transient here. They have permanent residences elsewhere, where they spend as much time as they spend here - let them vote there rather than skew our local elections and then buzz off so they don't have the consequences. Personally I think there is a good argument for only voting in local elections where you pay your council tax and most students contributions are covered by their parents so they could vote where they live. Idontbelieveit1948

8:38pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Gee Jay wrote:
sailer wrote:
THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND
Green Party-Tax & Spend
Labour Party - Tax and Spend and Borrow
Conservative Party - Tax and Spend a Little Less
Liberal Democrat Party - Wait to see which party wins and join them.

We are really spoilt for choice.
Whatever party wins, we shell out Billions to an unelected gravy train based in Brussels.
Yup, and then we shell a load more to the idiots in Brussels.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sailer[/bold] wrote: THE GREEN PARTY -TAX & SPEND TAX & SPEND[/p][/quote]Green Party-Tax & Spend Labour Party - Tax and Spend and Borrow Conservative Party - Tax and Spend a Little Less Liberal Democrat Party - Wait to see which party wins and join them. We are really spoilt for choice. Whatever party wins, we shell out Billions to an unelected gravy train based in Brussels.[/p][/quote]Yup, and then we shell a load more to the idiots in Brussels. Idontbelieveit1948

9:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ

We're doomed, we're doomed

They said we would be and now we are

Can I come and stay at your's in the country, or maybe use your villa in Marbella for a while?.
HJ We're doomed, we're doomed They said we would be and now we are Can I come and stay at your's in the country, or maybe use your villa in Marbella for a while?. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

9:30pm Wed 22 Jan 14

peachesncream says...

Having lived in the same ward for 30 year, I have seen it change from having Conservative ward councillors to having Labour councillors and then the first Green crept in. Now we have 3 Green councillors. My experience is that all the Labour and Conservative councillors listened to the constituents and tried to help where they could, regardless of their party's views. However the Greens only follow their ideology and will never represent the views of those which differ from the Green ideology. They do not represent their constituents, only the Green party, which is not what local government is about.

This attitude is borne out by the way the Green administration has wasted millions on vanity projects, which the majority if local residents did not want, and Kitkat's refusal to resign proves that both he and the Green administration are self-serving and do not listen to the people of Brighton and Hove.
Having lived in the same ward for 30 year, I have seen it change from having Conservative ward councillors to having Labour councillors and then the first Green crept in. Now we have 3 Green councillors. My experience is that all the Labour and Conservative councillors listened to the constituents and tried to help where they could, regardless of their party's views. However the Greens only follow their ideology and will never represent the views of those which differ from the Green ideology. They do not represent their constituents, only the Green party, which is not what local government is about. This attitude is borne out by the way the Green administration has wasted millions on vanity projects, which the majority if local residents did not want, and Kitkat's refusal to resign proves that both he and the Green administration are self-serving and do not listen to the people of Brighton and Hove. peachesncream

9:45pm Wed 22 Jan 14

hoveparkpresident says...

Cant see how it would get through a referendum. Time for a break kit kat
Cant see how it would get through a referendum. Time for a break kit kat hoveparkpresident

10:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

peachesncream wrote:
Having lived in the same ward for 30 year, I have seen it change from having Conservative ward councillors to having Labour councillors and then the first Green crept in. Now we have 3 Green councillors. My experience is that all the Labour and Conservative councillors listened to the constituents and tried to help where they could, regardless of their party's views. However the Greens only follow their ideology and will never represent the views of those which differ from the Green ideology. They do not represent their constituents, only the Green party, which is not what local government is about.

This attitude is borne out by the way the Green administration has wasted millions on vanity projects, which the majority if local residents did not want, and Kitkat's refusal to resign proves that both he and the Green administration are self-serving and do not listen to the people of Brighton and Hove.
Very well put, we have 2 Conservative and I Green. The Green has, apparently, abandoned the constituency altogether.

What you say is exactly as I and many others suspected and very much explains not only the dreadful mess the B&H administration is in, but also their hell bent war with the national government - they neither listen to, nor care what locals think.

They are also highly secretive about their own dealings and residency, the great majority of both Labour and Conservative Councillors declaring their address / property to the council, whilst the vast majority of Green Councillors hide behind the following clause: "Member or co-opted member has declared an interest in relation to this sections, the details of which are withheld, persuant to Section 32 Localisation act 2011" This may of course be entirely innocent, but does make me wonder if they have something to hide in terms of residency here.
[quote][p][bold]peachesncream[/bold] wrote: Having lived in the same ward for 30 year, I have seen it change from having Conservative ward councillors to having Labour councillors and then the first Green crept in. Now we have 3 Green councillors. My experience is that all the Labour and Conservative councillors listened to the constituents and tried to help where they could, regardless of their party's views. However the Greens only follow their ideology and will never represent the views of those which differ from the Green ideology. They do not represent their constituents, only the Green party, which is not what local government is about. This attitude is borne out by the way the Green administration has wasted millions on vanity projects, which the majority if local residents did not want, and Kitkat's refusal to resign proves that both he and the Green administration are self-serving and do not listen to the people of Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Very well put, we have 2 Conservative and I Green. The Green has, apparently, abandoned the constituency altogether. What you say is exactly as I and many others suspected and very much explains not only the dreadful mess the B&H administration is in, but also their hell bent war with the national government - they neither listen to, nor care what locals think. They are also highly secretive about their own dealings and residency, the great majority of both Labour and Conservative Councillors declaring their address / property to the council, whilst the vast majority of Green Councillors hide behind the following clause: "Member or co-opted member has declared an interest in relation to this sections, the details of which are withheld, persuant to Section 32 Localisation act 2011" This may of course be entirely innocent, but does make me wonder if they have something to hide in terms of residency here. Richada

10:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJ

We're doomed, we're doomed

They said we would be and now we are

Can I come and stay at your's in the country, or maybe use your villa in Marbella for a while?.
You don't really mean that.

From his absence here today - on this of all threads - I think he's already taken up residence there.......

Without their spin doctor, the current administration are like a ship without.........er..
......um.........a hull?
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: HJ We're doomed, we're doomed They said we would be and now we are Can I come and stay at your's in the country, or maybe use your villa in Marbella for a while?.[/p][/quote]You don't really mean that. From his absence here today - on this of all threads - I think he's already taken up residence there....... Without their spin doctor, the current administration are like a ship without.........er.. ......um.........a hull? Richada

10:27pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Richada says...

Number Six wrote:
On a more serious question if a government loses a confidence motion in Parliament it has to resign, as Callaghan did in 1979 so why doesn't the same rule apply to local government?
Surely it does?

If (a big IF I know) the Labour & Conservative Councillors can actually hold it together and vote the Greens down in a vote of no confidence, they will be unable to stay in administration as they will lose every vote that comes before the council.

On second thoughts, with the blinkered attitude towards the electorate they have shown thus far, they might just attempt to tough it out until May 2015, causing even more harm to the city and losing what tiny shred of credibility Brighton & Hove City Council have left.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: On a more serious question if a government loses a confidence motion in Parliament it has to resign, as Callaghan did in 1979 so why doesn't the same rule apply to local government?[/p][/quote]Surely it does? If (a big IF I know) the Labour & Conservative Councillors can actually hold it together and vote the Greens down in a vote of no confidence, they will be unable to stay in administration as they will lose every vote that comes before the council. On second thoughts, with the blinkered attitude towards the electorate they have shown thus far, they might just attempt to tough it out until May 2015, causing even more harm to the city and losing what tiny shred of credibility Brighton & Hove City Council have left. Richada

10:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

He's lower than whale Shttt, !!!
He's lower than whale Shttt, !!! ARMANA

10:56pm Wed 22 Jan 14

pwlr1966 says...

get this deluded idiot out of power NOW
get this deluded idiot out of power NOW pwlr1966

11:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It is time for the Labour and Tory group to step away from party politics and do the morally right thing which is to step up together to protect the town's residents from anymore of the chaos and abuse of democracy the Green Party are conducting in this town.
People from across the city and the political spectrum are fed up with being ignored and lied to by the Green members.
This is a critical decision which must be taken before the party gives planning permission for the various swathes of land planned for student accommodation which could change the voting composition of a number of wards to Green.
We all remember the bad old days of Dame Shirley Porter and the home for votes scandal. We need the parties to unite to put the brakes on actions by the Greens which could have long lasting implications for the political make up of the council by students who are a large group of transient people who by the very fact they are young, single, non tax paying people without kids or families here are not representative of the city yet can have such an influence over what services are funded and supported. The council needs to be more representative of the majority who are working local people with families.
It is time for the Labour and Tory group to step away from party politics and do the morally right thing which is to step up together to protect the town's residents from anymore of the chaos and abuse of democracy the Green Party are conducting in this town. People from across the city and the political spectrum are fed up with being ignored and lied to by the Green members. This is a critical decision which must be taken before the party gives planning permission for the various swathes of land planned for student accommodation which could change the voting composition of a number of wards to Green. We all remember the bad old days of Dame Shirley Porter and the home for votes scandal. We need the parties to unite to put the brakes on actions by the Greens which could have long lasting implications for the political make up of the council by students who are a large group of transient people who by the very fact they are young, single, non tax paying people without kids or families here are not representative of the city yet can have such an influence over what services are funded and supported. The council needs to be more representative of the majority who are working local people with families. Maxwell's Ghost

12:04am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

the red head wrote:
Where is the accountability for the failure of this council? All we get is fingers in ears, la la we're not listening from the greens.
Thank you to the opposition councillors finally saving us from this debacle.
Except they're not saving you from anything, it's basically a big publicity stunt orchestrated by Warren Morgan, with the Tories following reluctantly in tow.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: Where is the accountability for the failure of this council? All we get is fingers in ears, la la we're not listening from the greens. Thank you to the opposition councillors finally saving us from this debacle.[/p][/quote]Except they're not saving you from anything, it's basically a big publicity stunt orchestrated by Warren Morgan, with the Tories following reluctantly in tow. Gribbet

12:09am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

rayellerton wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Students should vote from their home address, not their term time address. They pay nothing in council tax here, so why should their views count towards running Brighton?
They probably pay nothing in council tax anywhere, so where is their home address? Where the students live? Or where their parents live?
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Students should vote from their home address, not their term time address. They pay nothing in council tax here, so why should their views count towards running Brighton?[/p][/quote]They probably pay nothing in council tax anywhere, so where is their home address? Where the students live? Or where their parents live? Gribbet

12:13am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Richada wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
Conservative colleague Tony Janio said:

“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now."

I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.
This bodes well for the future - two senior "party" members scoring points already.

We want LOCAL government that WORKS for us all, not the replacement of one chaotic shower with another.
Agreed, the Labour/Tory alliance hasn't even gone through with their vote as yet and they're already publicly backstabbing each other on the internet.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: Conservative colleague Tony Janio said: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” So you wanted the Greens to run the whole four years, but after two you moved a motion (which I don't remember) trying to oust them, which in your view is an immoral abuse of power now." I can see at least two whopping contradictions there Tony.[/p][/quote]This bodes well for the future - two senior "party" members scoring points already. We want LOCAL government that WORKS for us all, not the replacement of one chaotic shower with another.[/p][/quote]Agreed, the Labour/Tory alliance hasn't even gone through with their vote as yet and they're already publicly backstabbing each other on the internet. Gribbet

12:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?
Because there's only one electoral register.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?[/p][/quote]Because there's only one electoral register. Gribbet

12:27am Thu 23 Jan 14

Matt Grout says...

Mr Kitcat should resign. As stated in my comment on the proposed referendum, a council must act in the best interests of the most vulnerable above everything else. Therefore they have to prioritise essential services for the vulnerable rather than, cycle lanes etc. This is a basic moral principal. The council is therefore failing and their call for a referendum, in the hope of gaining more funds, is not acceptable, and a dangerous precedent to set. Instead They need to prove that they can at least start to fix this with the money that they have. This will mean very difficult decisions and projects may have to be postponed or cancelled, but it has to be done. If the council can begin this process quickly the community should support them. This is a massive challenge but it is the only sensible way forward. It will require a leader who can gain the confidence of us all. So to allow this to happen Mr Kitcat should stand down to make way for someone else to start this process as soon as possible.
Mr Kitcat should resign. As stated in my comment on the proposed referendum, a council must act in the best interests of the most vulnerable above everything else. Therefore they have to prioritise essential services for the vulnerable rather than, cycle lanes etc. This is a basic moral principal. The council is therefore failing and their call for a referendum, in the hope of gaining more funds, is not acceptable, and a dangerous precedent to set. Instead They need to prove that they can at least start to fix this with the money that they have. This will mean very difficult decisions and projects may have to be postponed or cancelled, but it has to be done. If the council can begin this process quickly the community should support them. This is a massive challenge but it is the only sensible way forward. It will require a leader who can gain the confidence of us all. So to allow this to happen Mr Kitcat should stand down to make way for someone else to start this process as soon as possible. Matt Grout

12:39am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
s&k wrote:
In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.
Unfortunately their 'ideals' are centred around what they think is best for the residents, NOT what the residents think best. The recent Hanover and Elm Grove by election showed exactly who the Green Party look to for support when their candidate was quoted as saying 'I'd have won if the students hadn't been on holiday'. The Greens know that their loony projects only appeal to young people with no life experience who, as non-residents, don't have to bear the brunt of these projects
Given that he lost by about 20 votes or something, I'd tend to agree.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: In the words of Lee Nelson: "do it, do it!" Seriously, I'm beginning to feel sorry for him. At least the Greens have ideals unlike the Tories and Labour.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately their 'ideals' are centred around what they think is best for the residents, NOT what the residents think best. The recent Hanover and Elm Grove by election showed exactly who the Green Party look to for support when their candidate was quoted as saying 'I'd have won if the students hadn't been on holiday'. The Greens know that their loony projects only appeal to young people with no life experience who, as non-residents, don't have to bear the brunt of these projects[/p][/quote]Given that he lost by about 20 votes or something, I'd tend to agree. Gribbet

7:05am Thu 23 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

A leader should have the best interests of the people they lead at the centre of everything they do

Time to do the decent thing and resign immediately after putting any and indeed all initiatives on hold

We can then start to unwind the ridiculous things actually done, namely 3...

Bus lanes
Cycle paths
Ludicrous speed limits

Oh and of course

Inviting and encouraging street drinking miscreants to descend on our city

Laughable
A leader should have the best interests of the people they lead at the centre of everything they do Time to do the decent thing and resign immediately after putting any and indeed all initiatives on hold We can then start to unwind the ridiculous things actually done, namely 3... Bus lanes Cycle paths Ludicrous speed limits Oh and of course Inviting and encouraging street drinking miscreants to descend on our city Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong

9:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

DC Brighton says...

"It’s just cynical political game play to detract from the funding debate"

Pot and kettle Kitcat. That is the very basis for your proposed council tax rise. A last ditch attempt by a councillor and party on their way out to garner some publicity. Yet another waste of money.

The funding debate is actually about the woeful mismanagement of our funds under the Greens - putting a pointless speed limit in front of the "vulnerable", for example. It has nothing to do with central government budget cuts.

Time to go before he wastes any more of our hard-earned money.
"It’s just cynical political game play to detract from the funding debate" Pot and kettle Kitcat. That is the very basis for your proposed council tax rise. A last ditch attempt by a councillor and party on their way out to garner some publicity. Yet another waste of money. The funding debate is actually about the woeful mismanagement of our funds under the Greens - putting a pointless speed limit in front of the "vulnerable", for example. It has nothing to do with central government budget cuts. Time to go before he wastes any more of our hard-earned money. DC Brighton

9:11am Thu 23 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity. HJarrs

10:07am Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year. Richada

10:41am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards? Gribbet

10:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

wexler53 says...

The greens, as evidenced by their posts, are complete nincompoops and need to go now before they do any more damage to the city.

I am thankful that Labour and Conservatives are trying to bring the city back under the control of grownups.

This is what the vast majority of council tax payers want, and of course, if the greens weren't such a bunch of self righteous zealots, they would do the decent thing and quit. And quit now.
The greens, as evidenced by their posts, are complete nincompoops and need to go now before they do any more damage to the city. I am thankful that Labour and Conservatives are trying to bring the city back under the control of grownups. This is what the vast majority of council tax payers want, and of course, if the greens weren't such a bunch of self righteous zealots, they would do the decent thing and quit. And quit now. wexler53

11:13am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer. thevoiceoftruth

11:19am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

*Kitcat* - sorry not KitKat. Always associate with two brown fingers.
*Kitcat* - sorry not KitKat. Always associate with two brown fingers. thevoiceoftruth

11:39am Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then.

Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills.

Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then. Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills. Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned. Richada

11:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible. Gribbet

11:46am Thu 23 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Yay, I'm the hundredth commenter! Do I get a prize?
Yay, I'm the hundredth commenter! Do I get a prize? Roundbill

11:52am Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

Roundbill wrote:
Yay, I'm the hundredth commenter! Do I get a prize?
Only if you can come up with a way of saving the Council £24M next year!
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Yay, I'm the hundredth commenter! Do I get a prize?[/p][/quote]Only if you can come up with a way of saving the Council £24M next year! Richada

11:55am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Richada wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then.

Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills.

Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned.
Presuming that was aimed at Gribbet, not me!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then. Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills. Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned.[/p][/quote]Presuming that was aimed at Gribbet, not me! thevoiceoftruth

12:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Richada wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then.

Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills.

Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned.
Presuming that was aimed at Gribbet, not me!
It was - apologies!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]Ah, now you are claiming that the Greens should have a monopoly on squandering money then. Whoever squanders it, and however public money is squandered it it is still money paid by hard working, hard pressed local residents, not neccessarily the vulnerable I grant you, but nonetheless those who PAY the councils bills. Many were actually unaware of the free parking offer, but then, parking in the town has become so expensive that many that live here have fallen into the habit of going to Burgess Hill or Crawley anyway - a lose / lose situation as far as the council AND city at large is concerned.[/p][/quote]Presuming that was aimed at Gribbet, not me![/p][/quote]It was - apologies! Richada

12:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.[/p][/quote]Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading. thevoiceoftruth

12:20pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.
...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.[/p][/quote]Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.[/p][/quote]...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses. Gribbet

12:23pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Joshiman says...

Argus poll 70% Council taxpayers said no and 30% non taxpayers said yes.
What kind of fair referendum will this be then.
Argus poll 70% Council taxpayers said no and 30% non taxpayers said yes. What kind of fair referendum will this be then. Joshiman

12:23pm Thu 23 Jan 14

martnin says...

wexler53 wrote:
The greens, as evidenced by their posts, are complete nincompoops and need to go now before they do any more damage to the city.

I am thankful that Labour and Conservatives are trying to bring the city back under the control of grownups.

This is what the vast majority of council tax payers want, and of course, if the greens weren't such a bunch of self righteous zealots, they would do the decent thing and quit. And quit now.
Goodbye Katshit..........
[quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens, as evidenced by their posts, are complete nincompoops and need to go now before they do any more damage to the city. I am thankful that Labour and Conservatives are trying to bring the city back under the control of grownups. This is what the vast majority of council tax payers want, and of course, if the greens weren't such a bunch of self righteous zealots, they would do the decent thing and quit. And quit now.[/p][/quote]Goodbye Katshit.......... martnin

12:24pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Joshiman wrote:
Argus poll 70% Council taxpayers said no and 30% non taxpayers said yes.
What kind of fair referendum will this be then.
Probably one that isn't just limited to Argus readers.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Argus poll 70% Council taxpayers said no and 30% non taxpayers said yes. What kind of fair referendum will this be then.[/p][/quote]Probably one that isn't just limited to Argus readers. Gribbet

1:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

roystony says...

Does Kitcat think its normal to have all this hate against him? What is he trying to prove apart from f*cking up the city.
Does Kitcat think its normal to have all this hate against him? What is he trying to prove apart from f*cking up the city. roystony

1:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

peachesncream says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
@ Gribbet: "What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.

More pollution is being caused by slow moving traffic due to the 20mph limits and roads being narrowed by the car-hating Greens in their misguided attempts to improve things for cyclists at the expense of everyone else. Not very "green" to make our environment worse!

A further of the Greens squandering our money.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.[/p][/quote]@ Gribbet: "What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible. More pollution is being caused by slow moving traffic due to the 20mph limits and roads being narrowed by the car-hating Greens in their misguided attempts to improve things for cyclists at the expense of everyone else. Not very "green" to make our environment worse! A further of the Greens squandering our money. peachesncream

1:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Mark63 says...

Take a break, Kitcat - a long break!
Take a break, Kitcat - a long break! Mark63

1:42pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

So councillor kitkat refuses to resign. No doubt at the next elections we'll see the smile wiped off his smug face. Who will gave the last laugh then.
Perhaps we can get the council and services back to normality. ??
So councillor kitkat refuses to resign. No doubt at the next elections we'll see the smile wiped off his smug face. Who will gave the last laugh then. Perhaps we can get the council and services back to normality. ?? Pheasant pluckers son

2:10pm Thu 23 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument. JHunty

2:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks Brighton1000

3:07pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.
...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses.
As has been pointed out above, there aren't thousands of cars with only one person in them in North street - it is closed to cars! The high concentration of busses and taxis ticking over there cause the high readings.

The Bus Company itself admits that a large number of vehicles on its own fleet will not qualify to enter Brighton's new "Low Emission" zone next year.

The world will not be saved by driving all motorists out of Brighton. Sadly, Brighton's loss is other places gain on that score, indeed, the several lashed up, ill-concieved (Lewes Road primarily) road schemes must have added enormously to local pollution levels, which wil always be highest where you have vehicles ticking over in traffic jams - traffic jams actually created by the current administration .
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.[/p][/quote]Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.[/p][/quote]...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses.[/p][/quote]As has been pointed out above, there aren't thousands of cars with only one person in them in North street - it is closed to cars! The high concentration of busses and taxis ticking over there cause the high readings. The Bus Company itself admits that a large number of vehicles on its own fleet will not qualify to enter Brighton's new "Low Emission" zone next year. The world will not be saved by driving all motorists out of Brighton. Sadly, Brighton's loss is other places gain on that score, indeed, the several lashed up, ill-concieved (Lewes Road primarily) road schemes must have added enormously to local pollution levels, which wil always be highest where you have vehicles ticking over in traffic jams - traffic jams actually created by the current administration . Richada

3:27pm Thu 23 Jan 14

rayellerton says...

Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?
Because there's only one electoral register.
In that case the students should register at their home address...I did when i was in Manchester during term time.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?[/p][/quote]Because there's only one electoral register.[/p][/quote]In that case the students should register at their home address...I did when i was in Manchester during term time. rayellerton

7:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Couple of observations

The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to

The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster

Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph

Laughable
Not Laughable waster then, ?
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Couple of observations The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph Laughable[/p][/quote]Not Laughable waster then, ? ARMANA

8:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look. Gribbet

8:57pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

rayellerton wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
“The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration.

“Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to.

“By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.”

And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks.

This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now.

And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?
The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.
Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?
Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?
Because there's only one electoral register.
In that case the students should register at their home address...I did when i was in Manchester during term time.
eMaybe they consider Brighton to be their home address.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: “The Greens received the most votes at the last election and we agreed for them to run a four-year administration. “Labour should have come in with us two years ago when I presented a similar motion asking them to. “By doing this now is an immoral abuse of power.” And there we have it, just respect the democratic process and wait until the next election. Caretaker administration sounds very counterproductive, too many cooks. This isn't about doing what's best for the city, it's more about the man in 3rd place just wanting people to notice him. It's ironic how he accuses the Greens of grandstanding, when grandstanding is exactly what he is doing right now. And another thing Argus, why are all the published quotes from the public from people who are against? Why didn't you print the point of view of at least one person in favour to make your article less one-sided?[/p][/quote]The only reason they received the most votes at the last election was because of the students to witch I personally feel is utterly wrong most students only live hear to study then go back to where ever they cam so not having to suffer the difficulty’s the greens will have left behind when gown but with a bit of luck even the students have seen the stupidity of this useless green administration.[/p][/quote]Radical idea in a western democracy proposing that students should be denied the right to vote. Is it just students? Or are there others in society you'd prefer didn't have the right to vote?[/p][/quote]Do students pay council tax then ? No of course not. So why should they be able to vote in a referendum about what level the council tax should be ? Maybe non-Green Party members should be permitted to vote in Green Party elections for leaders ?[/p][/quote]Because there's only one electoral register.[/p][/quote]In that case the students should register at their home address...I did when i was in Manchester during term time.[/p][/quote]eMaybe they consider Brighton to be their home address. Gribbet

9:40pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Richada wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?

By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere.

Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.
"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?"

That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.
Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.
...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses.
As has been pointed out above, there aren't thousands of cars with only one person in them in North street - it is closed to cars! The high concentration of busses and taxis ticking over there cause the high readings.

The Bus Company itself admits that a large number of vehicles on its own fleet will not qualify to enter Brighton's new "Low Emission" zone next year.

The world will not be saved by driving all motorists out of Brighton. Sadly, Brighton's loss is other places gain on that score, indeed, the several lashed up, ill-concieved (Lewes Road primarily) road schemes must have added enormously to local pollution levels, which wil always be highest where you have vehicles ticking over in traffic jams - traffic jams actually created by the current administration .
You're talking about one street, I'm talking about whole town. The EU doesn't care for what happens on North Street, the fines will be for the whole town.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012? By making it difficult for people to drive into Brighton, the council then loses the income from parking charges. This income can be used for other projects . Their sheer greed regarding parking charges, along with projects such as the Lewes Road have led to people completely avoiding Brighton and going elsewhere. Jason Kitkat was adamant that free Christmas parking it would cause chaos and massive tailbacks. How wrong he was. Perhaps if he hadn't said this, more people would have taken up the offer.[/p][/quote]"What about the Green Party increasing parking charges so high that they lost £922,000 in income in 2012?" That's actually a lot less than the massive EU fines Brighton & Hove faces for not meeting it's air pollution targets due to too many cars on Brighton's streets. There needs to be less people coming in by car and more people embracing other means of transport wherever possible.[/p][/quote]Much of this pollution comes from buses and taxis. That's why North St - which is closed to private cars - has such a high reading.[/p][/quote]...and all the thousands of cars with one person in them which vastly outnumber the taxis and busses.[/p][/quote]As has been pointed out above, there aren't thousands of cars with only one person in them in North street - it is closed to cars! The high concentration of busses and taxis ticking over there cause the high readings. The Bus Company itself admits that a large number of vehicles on its own fleet will not qualify to enter Brighton's new "Low Emission" zone next year. The world will not be saved by driving all motorists out of Brighton. Sadly, Brighton's loss is other places gain on that score, indeed, the several lashed up, ill-concieved (Lewes Road primarily) road schemes must have added enormously to local pollution levels, which wil always be highest where you have vehicles ticking over in traffic jams - traffic jams actually created by the current administration .[/p][/quote]You're talking about one street, I'm talking about whole town. The EU doesn't care for what happens on North Street, the fines will be for the whole town. Gribbet

9:45pm Thu 23 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

ARMANA wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Couple of observations

The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to

The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster

Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph

Laughable
Not Laughable waster then, ?
No but you are
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Couple of observations The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph Laughable[/p][/quote]Not Laughable waster then, ?[/p][/quote]No but you are I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

9:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune. Gribbet

9:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one. Brighton1000

9:51pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

ARMANA wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Couple of observations

The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to

The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster

Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph

Laughable
Not Laughable waster then, ?
Don't be a miscreant (he loves that word).
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Couple of observations The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph Laughable[/p][/quote]Not Laughable waster then, ?[/p][/quote]Don't be a miscreant (he loves that word). Gribbet

9:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
Inconvenient truths? You spout nonsense in an attempt to retsore some type of credibility to the greens, Its a waste of time, its all gone. Look around at the opinions of the vioters of Brighton & Hove, Your time is up, You messed up, You have lost all credibility.

Its time to pack up and leave, Tatty bye
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.[/p][/quote]Inconvenient truths? You spout nonsense in an attempt to retsore some type of credibility to the greens, Its a waste of time, its all gone. Look around at the opinions of the vioters of Brighton & Hove, Your time is up, You messed up, You have lost all credibility. Its time to pack up and leave, Tatty bye Brighton1000

9:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway. Gribbet

10:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
Right now, the enormous black pot is having our money tipped into it.

The pot thought the black kettle had bottomless pockets and tried to grab another 4.75%..........

Sadly, we council tax payers really are treated by contempt by those we were foolish enough to elect to represent us.

Enough now I think.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.[/p][/quote]Right now, the enormous black pot is having our money tipped into it. The pot thought the black kettle had bottomless pockets and tried to grab another 4.75%.......... Sadly, we council tax payers really are treated by contempt by those we were foolish enough to elect to represent us. Enough now I think. Richada

10:08pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think. Brighton1000

10:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
HJ says people like you are w4nker5
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.[/p][/quote]HJ says people like you are w4nker5 I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

10:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

eartheart says...

The referendum is more likely to cost £20,000 than £230,000. I guess it would probably cost that if labour were organising it. Personally I think it is good to have a public vote on this important issue and to have a wide discussion.
The referendum is more likely to cost £20,000 than £230,000. I guess it would probably cost that if labour were organising it. Personally I think it is good to have a public vote on this important issue and to have a wide discussion. eartheart

11:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour
oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them Gribbet

8:55am Fri 24 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour

oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence.

Time to pack up
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them[/p][/quote]If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence. Time to pack up Brighton1000

9:25am Fri 24 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour

oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
Well maybe that's because potholes can damage your car and are very dangerous for motorcyclists. Let's talk about road surfacing shall we? The Green Party spent millions on Lewes Road, yet didn't bother to resurface the side that cars drive on, only the bus lane. This is despite the fact that the road desperately needed resurfacing and is full of lumps and bumps. I see this as a deliberate *finger swivel* to motorists and bikers.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them[/p][/quote]Well maybe that's because potholes can damage your car and are very dangerous for motorcyclists. Let's talk about road surfacing shall we? The Green Party spent millions on Lewes Road, yet didn't bother to resurface the side that cars drive on, only the bus lane. This is despite the fact that the road desperately needed resurfacing and is full of lumps and bumps. I see this as a deliberate *finger swivel* to motorists and bikers. thevoiceoftruth

2:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour


oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
Well maybe that's because potholes can damage your car and are very dangerous for motorcyclists. Let's talk about road surfacing shall we? The Green Party spent millions on Lewes Road, yet didn't bother to resurface the side that cars drive on, only the bus lane. This is despite the fact that the road desperately needed resurfacing and is full of lumps and bumps. I see this as a deliberate *finger swivel* to motorists and bikers.
I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them[/p][/quote]Well maybe that's because potholes can damage your car and are very dangerous for motorcyclists. Let's talk about road surfacing shall we? The Green Party spent millions on Lewes Road, yet didn't bother to resurface the side that cars drive on, only the bus lane. This is despite the fact that the road desperately needed resurfacing and is full of lumps and bumps. I see this as a deliberate *finger swivel* to motorists and bikers.[/p][/quote]I rest my case. Gribbet

2:33pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour


oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence.

Time to pack up
I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them[/p][/quote]If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence. Time to pack up[/p][/quote]I rest my case. Gribbet

2:55pm Fri 24 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
Couple of observations

The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to

The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster

Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph

Laughable
Not Laughable waster then, ?
No but you are
Oh hello, Toilet mouth, !!!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Couple of observations The first is that this is long overdue and the city will still take years to recover from the inompetence it has been subjected to The second is that Gaz Scott is still posting on here under his alternate names - idiot waster Bring on the end game and HJarrs may wish to start writing what I would imagine will be a largely fictitious and spun epitaph Laughable[/p][/quote]Not Laughable waster then, ?[/p][/quote]No but you are[/p][/quote]Oh hello, Toilet mouth, !!! ARMANA

3:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.
Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything.

Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.
Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.
And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas.

Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office!

Time to pack up I think.
All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour



oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them
If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence.

Time to pack up
I rest my case.
No, sorry, you must have missed the point (again), PACK your case dont rest it.

Theres a good chap.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Well, the correlation is that a lot of the posting names outraged about the cost of this referendum are the same people that praised the costly, unnecessary free parking that lost the council an estimated £100,000. I know this because I have a memory. Have a look.[/p][/quote]Prove that loss v the local economy gain, It camt be proven and yet again, you are talking nonsense and spinning everything. Just accept the greens have lost all credibility, I have never seen such contempt for a local council, Take the hint and do one.[/p][/quote]Good point there and that's partly the point I was making. The decision for the free parking was forced through by LabCon purely on a whim, as a gamble without proper cost/benefit analysis. What we do know is that those car parks, which would normally be raking in money, were not raking in any money on the free parking days. There's also no evidence that there was any improvement to local businesses on these days, which would have been busy days anyway.[/p][/quote]And the revenue from parking charges can only be used for traffic and road improvements, So who honestly cares if there was a 100k 'potential' loss? Cities up and down the uk offer free parking leading up to Xmas. Can you start to see why the people of B&H want you out asap? Its really quite laughable that you bring up a few days free parking to try and get some shoppers into local shops, So what if you cant prove it was effective? Its not a regular thing, and its probably the only piece of feel good news local businesses have had since you came into office! Time to pack up I think.[/p][/quote]All the people who whinge about potholes and 'thebloodystateofour oncegreatroads!' seem to care when it suits them[/p][/quote]If the money went to resurfacing i think perhaps you wouldnt be in the mess you are now in. The fact is the money is then used to suffocate the city and cause queues of traffic that werent there before your pathetic existence. Time to pack up[/p][/quote]I rest my case.[/p][/quote]No, sorry, you must have missed the point (again), PACK your case dont rest it. Theres a good chap. Brighton1000

5:49pm Fri 24 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
The whole point of my point is that you are misrepresenting your opinions as objective fact. Nothing could be further from an inconvenient truth (where did you get that phrase from I wonder) than an assertion not backed up by any research which is made simply to try and win an argument.
I also have a memory and you haven't proved anything by claiming again that there is a correlation and not presenting any evidence to back up that claim. I also remember the Greens claiming that the free parking would cost several hundreds of thousands of pounds and would cause chaos and also that it was elitist because it favoured those who drove cars. All of those claims were unfounded.
In addition, it is not logically inconsistent to support a measure that might cost in terms of parking income but has a realistic chance of boosting the overall economy, whilst opposing a much higher cost that given the clear opposition to the idea of raising the council tax, is very unlikely to see any return on its expenditure. So even if your claim is true, which is unlikely, your point is hard to discern. I don't mind debating as long as we stick to some basic rules, such as don't make stuff up just to make yourself look good.
My opinion is that the greens are simply looking to start a fight with the government and are using Brighton as a battleground in order to regain some of their lost popularity by boosting their radical credentials. My basis for thinking this is the stated desire of Ben Duncan to do exactly that and the fact that this idea of a referendum was pushed on the local Green Party by the national Green Party.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.[/p][/quote]The whole point of my point is that you are misrepresenting your opinions as objective fact. Nothing could be further from an inconvenient truth (where did you get that phrase from I wonder) than an assertion not backed up by any research which is made simply to try and win an argument. I also have a memory and you haven't proved anything by claiming again that there is a correlation and not presenting any evidence to back up that claim. I also remember the Greens claiming that the free parking would cost several hundreds of thousands of pounds and would cause chaos and also that it was elitist because it favoured those who drove cars. All of those claims were unfounded. In addition, it is not logically inconsistent to support a measure that might cost in terms of parking income but has a realistic chance of boosting the overall economy, whilst opposing a much higher cost that given the clear opposition to the idea of raising the council tax, is very unlikely to see any return on its expenditure. So even if your claim is true, which is unlikely, your point is hard to discern. I don't mind debating as long as we stick to some basic rules, such as don't make stuff up just to make yourself look good. My opinion is that the greens are simply looking to start a fight with the government and are using Brighton as a battleground in order to regain some of their lost popularity by boosting their radical credentials. My basis for thinking this is the stated desire of Ben Duncan to do exactly that and the fact that this idea of a referendum was pushed on the local Green Party by the national Green Party. JHunty

11:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

ghost bus driver says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
JerryOnly wrote:
Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN!
Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative.

If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want.

What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.
And a Misfits fan judging by the name. Not that that's a bad thing mind...
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: Pretty soon we'll need to physically drag Kitkat out of the offices. RESIGN! Your party has lost any respect and votes it may have once had in the city you've ruined! RESIGN RESIGN![/p][/quote]Coming from a Green that shows what this has all been about - trying to paint Labour as no different to or in alliance with the Tories. Not about cuts or services, but about putting some political distance between your failed administration and the Labour alternative. If you look at the statement we have issued, we are proposing a caretaker administration of respected cllrs from all parties, not any alliance, coalition or pact. No Party leaders would be involved. No-one is giving you and your Green colleagues the "Labour/Tory alliance" headline for your leaflets you and your Green colleagues so desperately want. What we are offering is a way out of the mess the Green administration has got us in to, a way to restore respect to the city and some confidence in the council. If Jason refuses to go then we will see what voters say in 450 days.[/p][/quote]And a Misfits fan judging by the name. Not that that's a bad thing mind... ghost bus driver

4:18am Sat 25 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine!

We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.
No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut.......

........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.
It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas.

People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know.

Double standards?
how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.
Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks
I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.
The whole point of my point is that you are misrepresenting your opinions as objective fact. Nothing could be further from an inconvenient truth (where did you get that phrase from I wonder) than an assertion not backed up by any research which is made simply to try and win an argument.
I also have a memory and you haven't proved anything by claiming again that there is a correlation and not presenting any evidence to back up that claim. I also remember the Greens claiming that the free parking would cost several hundreds of thousands of pounds and would cause chaos and also that it was elitist because it favoured those who drove cars. All of those claims were unfounded.
In addition, it is not logically inconsistent to support a measure that might cost in terms of parking income but has a realistic chance of boosting the overall economy, whilst opposing a much higher cost that given the clear opposition to the idea of raising the council tax, is very unlikely to see any return on its expenditure. So even if your claim is true, which is unlikely, your point is hard to discern. I don't mind debating as long as we stick to some basic rules, such as don't make stuff up just to make yourself look good.
My opinion is that the greens are simply looking to start a fight with the government and are using Brighton as a battleground in order to regain some of their lost popularity by boosting their radical credentials. My basis for thinking this is the stated desire of Ben Duncan to do exactly that and the fact that this idea of a referendum was pushed on the local Green Party by the national Green Party.
Just have a read of the comments sections about the free parking from last month, in the time it took you to write this, you could have just checked for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I don't think the Greens and Kikat need take any lessons from Warren Cuts Morgan and his fellow political opportunists. Ken Bodfish Labour's Council Leader lost a vote of confidence in November 2005 as he followed through on divorcing council housing from council control. Even his own party voted against him! Mind you, than was when Labour had a few councillors with a spine! We still have no answer Morgan on what extra cuts you will make if the referendum is not held? The most vulnerable people of this city are going to pay a very high price for your political vanity.[/p][/quote]No, but at least there will be an extra £230,000 of council tax payers money that won't have to be cut....... ........that's enough to keep a couple of over-payed department heads and their coaches in a job for a year.[/p][/quote]It's funny how most of the commenters who are outraged at the cost of this referendum (including the Labour and Tory councillors), didn't mind one bit about the estimated six figure sum of lost council revenue from those free parking days before Xmas. People saw that as an acceptable marginal loss that could be gleefully sacrificed on a LabCon whim, but did it improve business? Nobody seems to know, even the businesses didn't seem to know. Double standards?[/p][/quote]how do you know there is a correlation between those who have legitimate concerns about the cost of a referendum about council tax and those who supported free parking? Sounds to me like you are so desperate you have resorted to "making things up on the internet" in order try and win an argument.[/p][/quote]Ha ha well said my friend, Gribbet is some kind of troll, or a very bored and dis illusioned green supporter. Gribbet, No one believes a word you spout, You spin everything and avoid all direct questions. Take the hint and do one, thanks[/p][/quote]I just like to present inconvenient truths to counter a lot of the flawed and misconceived arguments/rants on here. There'd normally be no problem with that, except people such as yourself can't cope with a real debate, you're only comfortable when everyone is singing the same tune.[/p][/quote]The whole point of my point is that you are misrepresenting your opinions as objective fact. Nothing could be further from an inconvenient truth (where did you get that phrase from I wonder) than an assertion not backed up by any research which is made simply to try and win an argument. I also have a memory and you haven't proved anything by claiming again that there is a correlation and not presenting any evidence to back up that claim. I also remember the Greens claiming that the free parking would cost several hundreds of thousands of pounds and would cause chaos and also that it was elitist because it favoured those who drove cars. All of those claims were unfounded. In addition, it is not logically inconsistent to support a measure that might cost in terms of parking income but has a realistic chance of boosting the overall economy, whilst opposing a much higher cost that given the clear opposition to the idea of raising the council tax, is very unlikely to see any return on its expenditure. So even if your claim is true, which is unlikely, your point is hard to discern. I don't mind debating as long as we stick to some basic rules, such as don't make stuff up just to make yourself look good. My opinion is that the greens are simply looking to start a fight with the government and are using Brighton as a battleground in order to regain some of their lost popularity by boosting their radical credentials. My basis for thinking this is the stated desire of Ben Duncan to do exactly that and the fact that this idea of a referendum was pushed on the local Green Party by the national Green Party.[/p][/quote]Just have a read of the comments sections about the free parking from last month, in the time it took you to write this, you could have just checked for yourself. Gribbet

8:32am Mon 27 Jan 14

Boloney-marshal says...

God! Brighton folk are so up their own derrieres.

It doesn't matter who runs the council , their only aim is to suck motorist dry of even more cash and cut public services to the bone. Behind closed doors they hate the people of Brighton and their only concern is their own careers. When was the last time B & H council did something that pleased its residents?
God! Brighton folk are so up their own derrieres. It doesn't matter who runs the council , their only aim is to suck motorist dry of even more cash and cut public services to the bone. Behind closed doors they hate the people of Brighton and their only concern is their own careers. When was the last time B & H council did something that pleased its residents? Boloney-marshal

6:08pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
God! Brighton folk are so up their own derrieres.

It doesn't matter who runs the council , their only aim is to suck motorist dry of even more cash and cut public services to the bone. Behind closed doors they hate the people of Brighton and their only concern is their own careers. When was the last time B & H council did something that pleased its residents?
Thanks for letting us all know bud, we would never have guessed, !!!
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: God! Brighton folk are so up their own derrieres. It doesn't matter who runs the council , their only aim is to suck motorist dry of even more cash and cut public services to the bone. Behind closed doors they hate the people of Brighton and their only concern is their own careers. When was the last time B & H council did something that pleased its residents?[/p][/quote]Thanks for letting us all know bud, we would never have guessed, !!! ARMANA

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