Complaint made over former Green council leader's committee evidence

Complaint made over former Green council leader's committee evidence

Complaint made over former Green council leader's committee evidence

First published in News

A senior councillor has been accused of misleading a committee about controversial service charges.

Bill Randall, chairman of Brighton and Hove City Council's housing committee, suggested council tenants were “fine” with the proposed fees, including sums for mobility scooter storage, lift maintenance and communal lighting.

Tenants could be charged £4 a week for scooter storage, up to £2.75 for electricity and 85p for lift maintenance.

But Conservative councillor Mary Mears has launched an official complaint, saying tenants were not properly consulted.

Speaking after Coun Randall's comments, Coun Mears said: “After talking to a tenant who was at the sheltered housing meeting, their version is different to the information we received at committee.”

The chairman of the High Rise Action Support Group has also said his views were misrepresented after it was claimed he said tenants had “had a good run for their money”.

Andy Tuck said: “I am only one person, and I am not in a position to speak for all tenants that will be affected by these charges.

“Can I say at no time did I, or would I, have considered agreeing to an issue that will be very sensitive to all council tenants.”

In response, Coun Randall said: “There is absolutely no basis to her complaint and I will of course be challenging it.”

A council spokeswoman said the authority was not able to comment.

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6:42am Thu 23 Jan 14

greenpaws says...

Council housing service charges are very affordable and reasonable. no-one in my block has any complaints.

The Tories are playing politics and trying throw mud at a popular local Green councillor.

Bill is driving forward the building of new council housing and the Tories are angry at this extension of social justice and Labour are angry jealous.

Even when you do the best for the city's communities, there'll always be those who will attack you because they can, and not add to the city.
Council housing service charges are very affordable and reasonable. no-one in my block has any complaints. The Tories are playing politics and trying throw mud at a popular local Green councillor. Bill is driving forward the building of new council housing and the Tories are angry at this extension of social justice and Labour are angry jealous. Even when you do the best for the city's communities, there'll always be those who will attack you because they can, and not add to the city. greenpaws
  • Score: -30

6:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

Roy Pennington says...

no doubt the Standards Panel which might eventually hear the complaint will be held in closed session because of "Information relating to any individual"
no doubt the Standards Panel which might eventually hear the complaint will be held in closed session because of "Information relating to any individual" Roy Pennington
  • Score: 25

7:01am Thu 23 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 35

7:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?[/p][/quote]Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives. Gribbet
  • Score: -29

8:14am Thu 23 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm.....
Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm..... Ambo Guy
  • Score: 34

8:20am Thu 23 Jan 14

Skidrow says...

Yes I've noticed that over the last few days. They are very on message apparatchiks taking their views dierect from the communications supremo and his rabid rebuttal unit. No that wasn't a typo.
Yes I've noticed that over the last few days. They are very on message apparatchiks taking their views dierect from the communications supremo and his rabid rebuttal unit. No that wasn't a typo. Skidrow
  • Score: 24

8:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

greenpaws wrote:
Council housing service charges are very affordable and reasonable. no-one in my block has any complaints.

The Tories are playing politics and trying throw mud at a popular local Green councillor.

Bill is driving forward the building of new council housing and the Tories are angry at this extension of social justice and Labour are angry jealous.

Even when you do the best for the city's communities, there'll always be those who will attack you because they can, and not add to the city.
"popular local Green councillor"...... that's not a phrase you hear every day of the week!
[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote: Council housing service charges are very affordable and reasonable. no-one in my block has any complaints. The Tories are playing politics and trying throw mud at a popular local Green councillor. Bill is driving forward the building of new council housing and the Tories are angry at this extension of social justice and Labour are angry jealous. Even when you do the best for the city's communities, there'll always be those who will attack you because they can, and not add to the city.[/p][/quote]"popular local Green councillor"...... that's not a phrase you hear every day of the week! Quiterie
  • Score: 25

9:01am Thu 23 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Well he shouldn't care where we drive then but where we drive seems to be the Greens only policy.
Well he shouldn't care where we drive then but where we drive seems to be the Greens only policy. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 21

9:07am Thu 23 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

The mobile scooter units are newly built and the £4 a week includes electricity recharging. It's safer than storing them in common ways which could block escape routes in the event of a fire.
The mobile scooter units are newly built and the £4 a week includes electricity recharging. It's safer than storing them in common ways which could block escape routes in the event of a fire. Eugenius
  • Score: -13

9:50am Thu 23 Jan 14

jonemz says...

It's a bit late in the day but it is about time that the lack of Consultation is being challenged. The High Rise Action Group has requested an investigation of Housing Management, misleading information being given to Councillors and residents is not an acceptable basis for Policy and strategy making.

The challenges are not about Politics but about Process and Accountability.
It's a bit late in the day but it is about time that the lack of Consultation is being challenged. The High Rise Action Group has requested an investigation of Housing Management, misleading information being given to Councillors and residents is not an acceptable basis for Policy and strategy making. The challenges are not about Politics but about Process and Accountability. jonemz
  • Score: 12

9:51am Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Well he shouldn't care where we drive then but where we drive seems to be the Greens only policy.
Nobody cares where you drive either.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Well he shouldn't care where we drive then but where we drive seems to be the Greens only policy.[/p][/quote]Nobody cares where you drive either. Gribbet
  • Score: -13

10:18am Thu 23 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm.....
Yeah, welcome Gribbet: was it you that pooed in the council office?
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm.....[/p][/quote]Yeah, welcome Gribbet: was it you that pooed in the council office? Roundbill
  • Score: 16

11:27am Thu 23 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Well stop telling us then Gribbet.
Well stop telling us then Gribbet. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 12

11:29am Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm.....
Funny innit. We are used to Fairfax Arches, HJarrs, Bluenose and more recently, Eugenius. Yet now we have Greenpaws, Her Professional, Gribbet and numerous others popping up. I'm sure it's all just a big coincidence...
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed the sudden increase of pro Green trolls coming onto this site? It's almost as if the party has been asking/making their own members come on here to try and put across their Green spin...hmmm.....[/p][/quote]Funny innit. We are used to Fairfax Arches, HJarrs, Bluenose and more recently, Eugenius. Yet now we have Greenpaws, Her Professional, Gribbet and numerous others popping up. I'm sure it's all just a big coincidence... thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 11

11:48am Thu 23 Jan 14

martnin says...

Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.
The tax payers do, because it is their money he is spending.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?[/p][/quote]Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.[/p][/quote]The tax payers do, because it is their money he is spending. martnin
  • Score: 13

11:57am Thu 23 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

There are statistics and there are lies it seems that the greens continue to use the latter, as for consultation the method the greens use is based on heresay and pure invention, some of the statistical quotes made by this group are complete fabrications or just lies, but they still get away with it.
There are statistics and there are lies it seems that the greens continue to use the latter, as for consultation the method the greens use is based on heresay and pure invention, some of the statistical quotes made by this group are complete fabrications or just lies, but they still get away with it. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 9

12:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Of course one Green councillor runs a local PR agency…. funny that….
Of course one Green councillor runs a local PR agency…. funny that…. Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 10

12:20pm Thu 23 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.
It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?[/p][/quote]Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.[/p][/quote]It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 10

12:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.
It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me!
As far as I'm aware the council aren't trying to stop people from driving to London OR Bexhill.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?[/p][/quote]Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.[/p][/quote]It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me![/p][/quote]As far as I'm aware the council aren't trying to stop people from driving to London OR Bexhill. Gribbet
  • Score: -11

1:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked.
Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places?
Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened.
Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?
Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.
It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me!
Totally agree, do as I say says the green councillors. Why not be true to their views and beliefs and use the wonderful cycle lane they have installed along the old shore ham road for 2 good reason:
1. Would be great to see cyclists using it especially when your creeping along it at a snails pace during rush hours. Wot a complete waste of money.
2. If the green councillors are using it think of the great game us motorists can play. Target practice .
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: If its £4 a week to store a disability scooter then I am shocked. Anyway Mr Randall had a free car while mayor and told The Argus in an interview that he drove it to London and Bexhill. Who drives to London? Why would a Green councillor who have relentlessly punished motorists drive to these places? Now that's weird when there are excellent rail links and while we are all being told not to drive and we are having the most awful time in my community since the Lewes Road bus lane has opened. Come on Mr Randall what on earth were you driving to London for? Ikea Croydon perhaps in the freebie car? Maybe you were collecting a disabled person up?[/p][/quote]Small potatoes, who the hell really cares where he drives.[/p][/quote]It's a classic example of 'Do what I say and not what I do.' The sheer hypocrisy of the Green Party never fails to amuse me![/p][/quote]Totally agree, do as I say says the green councillors. Why not be true to their views and beliefs and use the wonderful cycle lane they have installed along the old shore ham road for 2 good reason: 1. Would be great to see cyclists using it especially when your creeping along it at a snails pace during rush hours. Wot a complete waste of money. 2. If the green councillors are using it think of the great game us motorists can play. Target practice . Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 7

2:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Andy R says...

From Wikipedia......
"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,extrane
ous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Now. looking at this discussion so far, try as I might, I can't see that it's the people being called "trolls" who are the ones actually doing the trolling.
From Wikipedia...... "In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,extrane ous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Now. looking at this discussion so far, try as I might, I can't see that it's the people being called "trolls" who are the ones actually doing the trolling. Andy R
  • Score: -7

3:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Seventh Circle says...

It's astonishing.. from Caroline Lucas making inept and unprofesional 'posturing' interviews and comments on all manner of subjects... down to red-faced Randall..... everything the Greens touch seems to go pear-shaped.. they should rename their party Frank Spencer...'oooh betty I've had a lot of harassments lately... ever since we were elected and now I'm in a bit of trouble.... I think the cat's done a whoopsie on the carpet'...... only the Greens aren't funny'
It's astonishing.. from Caroline Lucas making inept and unprofesional 'posturing' interviews and comments on all manner of subjects... down to red-faced Randall..... everything the Greens touch seems to go pear-shaped.. they should rename their party Frank Spencer...'oooh betty I've had a lot of harassments lately... ever since we were elected and now I'm in a bit of trouble.... I think the cat's done a whoopsie on the carpet'...... only the Greens aren't funny' Seventh Circle
  • Score: 7

4:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

No Gribbet, the councillors dont want us driving our vehicles our of our streets hence the relentless car punishing policies.
No Gribbet, the councillors dont want us driving our vehicles our of our streets hence the relentless car punishing policies. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

4:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Man of steel says...

Eugenius, I would much prefer having to walk past a mobility scooter, knowing that my disabled neighbours could reach safety easily in the case of a fire, rather that than not being able to rescue more than one or two of them, and losing the rest.
But then, that's what the greens are about, cut social care and get rid of a few wrinklies.
Eugenius, I would much prefer having to walk past a mobility scooter, knowing that my disabled neighbours could reach safety easily in the case of a fire, rather that than not being able to rescue more than one or two of them, and losing the rest. But then, that's what the greens are about, cut social care and get rid of a few wrinklies. Man of steel
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Poor Bill he did what the rest of his party do and make up what real people think and want but he's the one being reported for it.
How does the odious 'Cheshire cat' Davey get away with it??
less than 16 months to go
Poor Bill he did what the rest of his party do and make up what real people think and want but he's the one being reported for it. How does the odious 'Cheshire cat' Davey get away with it?? less than 16 months to go upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

"it was claimed he said tenants had “had a good run for their money”.

To paraphrase then, he's had a good run for OUR money.

Now run away from our city.
"it was claimed he said tenants had “had a good run for their money”. To paraphrase then, he's had a good run for OUR money. Now run away from our city. Richada
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

I know I'm a little slow off the mark, but isn't referring to people with impaired mobility as "having a good run for their money" a little ... crass? Just saying.
I know I'm a little slow off the mark, but isn't referring to people with impaired mobility as "having a good run for their money" a little ... crass? Just saying. Roundbill
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Thu 23 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

Eugenius wrote:
The mobile scooter units are newly built and the £4 a week includes electricity recharging. It's safer than storing them in common ways which could block escape routes in the event of a fire.
£4 a week is over £200 a year. That's more than a resident's parking permit.

We knew that the greens were anti car, but now being anti-mobility scooter?

Is this a new tax on mobility scooters? Anti-bedroom tax but pro mobility scooter tax? Makes no sense to me....
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The mobile scooter units are newly built and the £4 a week includes electricity recharging. It's safer than storing them in common ways which could block escape routes in the event of a fire.[/p][/quote]£4 a week is over £200 a year. That's more than a resident's parking permit. We knew that the greens were anti car, but now being anti-mobility scooter? Is this a new tax on mobility scooters? Anti-bedroom tax but pro mobility scooter tax? Makes no sense to me.... NickBtn
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

CSummers says...

Roy Pennington wrote:
no doubt the Standards Panel which might eventually hear the complaint will be held in closed session because of "Information relating to any individual"
We were waiting for you to come and ask your question last week at Audit & Standards Committee, Roy, but neither you nor your replacement/represen
tative turned up. What happened? Easy to make accusations from a distance and I'm surprised you didn't take advantage of the democratic process that still exists.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Pennington[/bold] wrote: no doubt the Standards Panel which might eventually hear the complaint will be held in closed session because of "Information relating to any individual"[/p][/quote]We were waiting for you to come and ask your question last week at Audit & Standards Committee, Roy, but neither you nor your replacement/represen tative turned up. What happened? Easy to make accusations from a distance and I'm surprised you didn't take advantage of the democratic process that still exists. CSummers
  • Score: 0

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