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Special report: Eggs, parasites and excrement in fake cigarettes

The Argus: Special report: Eggs, parasites and excrement in fake cigarettes Special report: Eggs, parasites and excrement in fake cigarettes

As the cost of a packet of cigarettes continues to rocket, cheaper and illegal alternatives are flooding the market.

During one day of test purchasing in Brighton and Hove on October 10 last year The Argus found seven shops selling illegal tobacco and cigarettes.

They might leave consumers with less of a hole in their pockets, but the impact on people's health is potentially far more serious than the gruesome health messages warn on legal packets.

And startlingly the profits from bargain priced cigarettes and tobacco may fund terrorist organisations - including al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Non-UK duty paid tobacco (NUKDP) products are any goods that have not paid UK tax. They include cigarettes and loose leaf tobacco that is counterfeit, duty free or illicit white - brands manufactured legitimately in one country but smuggled into another country to provide consumers with cheap alternatives.

Industry experts have warned the illegal tobacco trade lures people into buying what seems like normal products at give-away prices - only to find the unregulated goods have been smuggled into the country by organised crime gangs.

Often the cheap cigarettes are made from the poorest and lowest quality ingredients in unregulated factories and have been found to contain toxins, rat droppings and dead insects.

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Over the coming weeks this newspaper, together with industry giant Japan Tobacco International, is spearheading the Don't Be Tempted campaign to warn both shopkeepers and smokers about the dangers of illegal tobacco products.

The firm estimates that 21% of cigarettes and 47% of roll your own tobacco smoked in the UK in 2012 was NUKDP - costing HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) more than £2 billion a year in lost revenue.

Mark Yexley, media relations manager at Japan Tobacco International, said: “The impact of the illicit trade in tobacco on society is far reaching and members of the public, retailers, suppliers and the Government all have a role to play to combat the issue.

“Criminals who deal in illegal tobacco will sell to all-comers, including children. Japan Tobacco International fully supports any efforts to rid our streets of illegal tobacco and stop criminals infiltrating our communities.”

In Brighton and Hove last year investigators bought ten products from various shops and individuals across the city in just one day.

Although we cannot reveal the names of the shops or individuals without compromising Trading Standards investigations, all ten products were found to have non-English health warnings and were NUKDP.

The goods included three 20 packs of Benson and Hedges bought for £5.50 each, normally sold for about £9 each, a 50g pack of Golden Virginia for £9 as opposed to the standard £17 and a 20 pack of Palace Cigarettes - which have not been produced since 2011 - for just £3.50.

On a separate occasion in August last year, The Argus reported raids from Brighton and Hove Trading Standards, HMRC and Sussex Police took place on stall holders at Brighton Racecourse market.

In total 11 stalls were either closed down or abandoned as officers seized 1,500 pouches of counterfeit tobacco worth £23,000.

And in 2012 raids on 33 retail premises in Brighton and Hove were raided in a two-day crime blitz which saw large quantities of illicit tobacco seized.

More than 2,600 smuggled and counterfeit cigarettes and 50 kilos of tobacco were found valued at more than £70,000.

Despite this, a spokeswoman from Brighton Trading Standards said there had been no convictions in recent years.

HMRC Sussex spokesman Bob Gaiger said across the UK in the last two years nearly 3.6 billion illicit cigarettes and more than 1,000 tonnes of hand-rolling tobacco have been seized, resulting in 432 prosecutions.

He added: “HMRC estimates that tobacco fraud costs the Government around £2 billion a year - money that could be spent on public services.

“So a cheap smoke isn't victimless - it undermines the efforts of legitimate traders and can cost us all dear.”

Retailers convicted of selling NUKDP goods face criminal prosecutions with custodial sentences of up to seven years or fines of up to £5,000.

Additional sanctions following a successful prosecution can include confiscation of products under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, prohibition on the sale of tobacco products for up to six months and the removal of lottery terminals.

The penalties have been questioned as too lenient. Europol - the European Union's law enforcement agency - said parasites, insect eggs, excrement and fungi have been found in seized counterfeit cigarettes and contain higher levels of tar and nicotine than genuine products.

To maximise profits, illegal tobacco is sometimes produced with cheap equipment and material without regard for quality control.

But it is not just the Government, the taxpayer and the health of smokers which is bearing the brunt of the trade.

The United Nations Security Council's investigative body has found that millions of pounds in illicit tobacco revenues are reaching al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist organisations around the world.

It also established that funds generated through illegal tobacco sales have helped to finance Congolese rebels who recruit child soldiers and have been responsible for atrocities in the African state.

The Argus and Japan Tobacco International will any NUKDP purchases bought in city shops to hand Brighton and Hove Trading Standards so officials can launch their own investigation.

A spokeswoman from Brighton and Hove City Council said: “Trading standards officers from Brighton and Hove City Council regularly inspect premises in the city for illicit cigarettes.

“We also carry out test purchases when we receive intelligence, and will seize examples of illicit tobacco. However, the quantities have always been small and we have dealt with offenders by way of warning letters, advice to the businesses and monitoring of premises.

“Where there are issues that come under the remit of partner agencies, such as Customs and Excise, we have passed the information to them for them to consider action and for intelligence purposes.

“Regarding the recent cases, we have spoken to the company which carried out the test purchases and, once we have received all the evidence from them, we will carry out an investigation.”

A spokesman from Sussex Police said: “Any licensed premises found selling illegal tobacco will be challenged by Trading Standards who will ask for a review of the premise licence under the Licensing Act 2003.

“We will support their review and also request revocation - but the powers to do this are a matter for the local authority.”

A spokeswoman from HMRC said the public and retailers play a vital role in the fight against tobacco fraud.

She said: “We urge people to come forward and let us know if they have information about the smuggling, sale, transport, or storage of illicit tobacco by calling the Customs Hotline on 0800 59 5000. You can also report suspicious trading, tax evasion or smuggling via our website to help us tackle organised crime.”

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8:36am Fri 24 Jan 14

LB says...

"Eggs, parasites and excrement in fake cigarettes"

I wonder if these ingredients are more or less carcinogenic than tobacco when burned and inhaled?

Maybe the adulterated cigarettes are actually making people healthier with their 'I can't believe it's not tobacco' approach.
"Eggs, parasites and excrement in fake cigarettes" I wonder if these ingredients are more or less carcinogenic than tobacco when burned and inhaled? Maybe the adulterated cigarettes are actually making people healthier with their 'I can't believe it's not tobacco' approach. LB
  • Score: 12

8:47am Fri 24 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "I really must give up smoking, they are starting to taste like s**t".
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "I really must give up smoking, they are starting to taste like s**t". The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 19

9:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

UppityPrimate says...

that's really nice of you Argus, jumping in bed with a japanese tobacco giant in the name of 'protecting our health and trade' . As if it's ANYTHING to do with health at all, and not just a painfully transparent attempt to increase their profits by making sure it's THEIR brand of death clogging up your lungs - not to mention the horrible environmental impact of the pesticides, fungicides, additives and farming processes they use on the local populations where it's grown. I suppose morally bankrupt is better than financially bankrupt though eh? sickening.
that's really nice of you Argus, jumping in bed with a japanese tobacco giant in the name of 'protecting our health and trade' . As if it's ANYTHING to do with health at all, and not just a painfully transparent attempt to increase their profits by making sure it's THEIR brand of death clogging up your lungs - not to mention the horrible environmental impact of the pesticides, fungicides, additives and farming processes they use on the local populations where it's grown. I suppose morally bankrupt is better than financially bankrupt though eh? sickening. UppityPrimate
  • Score: 18

9:36am Fri 24 Jan 14

kopite_rob says...

Why have their been no convictions?
These retailers have committed numerous offences which the police and trading standards can prosecute for.
Much the same as the stories we've had for the last few years on black market and lethal alcohol being sold in Brighton.
What are trading standards, the police and the council licencing body doing?

These people are endangering health, evading tax and selling illegally creating both anti-social and criminal behaviour.
Time to get tough. If you're caught selling alcohol or cigarettes that are black market, counterfeit or sold to under age or to street drinkers, you lose your license.
Why have their been no convictions? These retailers have committed numerous offences which the police and trading standards can prosecute for. Much the same as the stories we've had for the last few years on black market and lethal alcohol being sold in Brighton. What are trading standards, the police and the council licencing body doing? These people are endangering health, evading tax and selling illegally creating both anti-social and criminal behaviour. Time to get tough. If you're caught selling alcohol or cigarettes that are black market, counterfeit or sold to under age or to street drinkers, you lose your license. kopite_rob
  • Score: 11

9:39am Fri 24 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

Well I think these shops should be investigated in detail if they are selling illegal goods I bet they are NOT paying TAX,but I suppose its only the british that are supposed to pay tax these shops the authorities turn a blind eye to them.
Well I think these shops should be investigated in detail if they are selling illegal goods I bet they are NOT paying TAX,but I suppose its only the british that are supposed to pay tax these shops the authorities turn a blind eye to them. clubrob6
  • Score: 7

9:59am Fri 24 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

Erm...Excuse me, Argus?

Big headline about "Eggs. parasites, and excrement found in...Brighton and Hove" but nothing in the article to back it up?

Granted, the EU MAY (indeed, almost certainly HAS) found these things in the past, but where is YOUR evidence to back up the claims made in your headline?
Erm...Excuse me, Argus? Big headline about "Eggs. parasites, and excrement found in...Brighton and Hove" but nothing in the article to back it up? Granted, the EU MAY (indeed, almost certainly HAS) found these things in the past, but where is YOUR evidence to back up the claims made in your headline? Goldenwight
  • Score: 13

10:08am Fri 24 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

It's a fair enough question Goldenwright. Ben Leo, have you always been a liar, or only since you started writing for the Argus?
It's a fair enough question Goldenwright. Ben Leo, have you always been a liar, or only since you started writing for the Argus? Roundbill
  • Score: 0

10:18am Fri 24 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Eggs, poo, and parasites, from arab sources they must be Camel, they do know what we like - a little bit of egg, a shake of poo and the essence of the B&H green council,
I don't think you could call it that Mal-borough moment
Eggs, poo, and parasites, from arab sources they must be Camel, they do know what we like - a little bit of egg, a shake of poo and the essence of the B&H green council, I don't think you could call it that Mal-borough moment ThinkBrighton
  • Score: -3

10:20am Fri 24 Jan 14

Peter Truman says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Erm...Excuse me, Argus?

Big headline about "Eggs. parasites, and excrement found in...Brighton and Hove" but nothing in the article to back it up?

Granted, the EU MAY (indeed, almost certainly HAS) found these things in the past, but where is YOUR evidence to back up the claims made in your headline?
Valid point about the headline being slightly misleading. Eggs etc have been found in fake cigarettes similar to those sold in Brighton and Hove - the trouble with only a limited space to get across the story message. Headline has been altered accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Erm...Excuse me, Argus? Big headline about "Eggs. parasites, and excrement found in...Brighton and Hove" but nothing in the article to back it up? Granted, the EU MAY (indeed, almost certainly HAS) found these things in the past, but where is YOUR evidence to back up the claims made in your headline?[/p][/quote]Valid point about the headline being slightly misleading. Eggs etc have been found in fake cigarettes similar to those sold in Brighton and Hove - the trouble with only a limited space to get across the story message. Headline has been altered accordingly. Peter Truman
  • Score: -3

10:44am Fri 24 Jan 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

Given the utter rubbish that is in cigarettes in any case I can't see a little more would do much harm.
Given the utter rubbish that is in cigarettes in any case I can't see a little more would do much harm. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 4

11:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Given the utter rubbish that is in cigarettes in any case I can't see a little more would do much harm.
So true if people want to subject there bodies to chemicals let them,the real news should be foreign shop owners avoid UK tax.
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: Given the utter rubbish that is in cigarettes in any case I can't see a little more would do much harm.[/p][/quote]So true if people want to subject there bodies to chemicals let them,the real news should be foreign shop owners avoid UK tax. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

11:18am Fri 24 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

This must be stopped - the government needs to reduce duty ands slash the price of cigarettes/tobacco products. This will also help with our pensions problem, caused by people living too long
This must be stopped - the government needs to reduce duty ands slash the price of cigarettes/tobacco products. This will also help with our pensions problem, caused by people living too long gheese77
  • Score: -2

12:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

rhcp50 says...

Well, if the UK govt insists on charging a ridiculous amount of duty on tobacco then why are they surprised if people smuggle a cheaper alternative? It's beyond a joke when people have to go abroad just to find a few packets of fags which won't cost them a small fortune. It costs more than 40p for EACH pre-rolled cigarette. Utterly bonkers.
Well, if the UK govt insists on charging a ridiculous amount of duty on tobacco then why are they surprised if people smuggle a cheaper alternative? It's beyond a joke when people have to go abroad just to find a few packets of fags which won't cost them a small fortune. It costs more than 40p for EACH pre-rolled cigarette. Utterly bonkers. rhcp50
  • Score: 8

12:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Caute3 says...

We should care about this why exactly? Because of probably one tiny incident of a worm in a packet of fags or because the government are losing money out of killing people off? I mean, if you think about it, contraband cigarette products are really the best moral option - at least the government will be in the clear.
We should care about this why exactly? Because of probably one tiny incident of a worm in a packet of fags or because the government are losing money out of killing people off? I mean, if you think about it, contraband cigarette products are really the best moral option - at least the government will be in the clear. Caute3
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tykemison says...

Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?. tykemison
  • Score: 11

1:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

So how do you buy these cheap alternatives? Says Argus bought in 10 shops in Brighton on on day. Do you just go in and ask if they've got any illegal smuggled fags that are a cheaper than the one's on display?
So how do you buy these cheap alternatives? Says Argus bought in 10 shops in Brighton on on day. Do you just go in and ask if they've got any illegal smuggled fags that are a cheaper than the one's on display? sussexram40
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Fri 24 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
Argus has raised the issue but for politically correct reasons wont say who is involved,the true headline should be foreign shop owners selling fake goods avoiding UK tax.
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]Argus has raised the issue but for politically correct reasons wont say who is involved,the true headline should be foreign shop owners selling fake goods avoiding UK tax. clubrob6
  • Score: -3

1:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Ashles says...

tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
It appears that according to you all shops are divided into two types - Tesco's/Sainsbury's/
Waitrose etc... and those owned by "arabs".

Just for reference are you including all small shops owned by English, Polish. Bangladeshi, Indian, Chinese people etc. as "arab shop's" (sic)?
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]It appears that according to you all shops are divided into two types - Tesco's/Sainsbury's/ Waitrose etc... and those owned by "arabs". Just for reference are you including all small shops owned by English, Polish. Bangladeshi, Indian, Chinese people etc. as "arab shop's" (sic)? Ashles
  • Score: 8

1:56pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

I'm still tryin to know which these shops are.
If the products they are selling are dangerous and contain all this rubish then why isn't public health the priority and the shops being named.
I'm guessing you won;t have success buying cheap tobacco in a big supermarket so logic tells me this must be small corner type shops. Without anyone can give me a clue as to a shop that may sell this stuff then a discreet hint, a rough location, would be helpful - just so I can avoid it of course.
I'm still tryin to know which these shops are. If the products they are selling are dangerous and contain all this rubish then why isn't public health the priority and the shops being named. I'm guessing you won;t have success buying cheap tobacco in a big supermarket so logic tells me this must be small corner type shops. Without anyone can give me a clue as to a shop that may sell this stuff then a discreet hint, a rough location, would be helpful - just so I can avoid it of course. sussexram40
  • Score: 2

3:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

somethlngsarejustwrong says...

clubrob6 wrote:
tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
Argus has raised the issue but for politically correct reasons wont say who is involved,the true headline should be foreign shop owners selling fake goods avoiding UK tax.
Another obnoxious and ridiculous comment from the Dumbrian right wing. Laughable .
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]Argus has raised the issue but for politically correct reasons wont say who is involved,the true headline should be foreign shop owners selling fake goods avoiding UK tax.[/p][/quote]Another obnoxious and ridiculous comment from the Dumbrian right wing. Laughable . somethlngsarejustwrong
  • Score: -1

3:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

somethlngsarejustwrong says...

tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ?
Wake up you hopeless idiot.
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ? Wake up you hopeless idiot. somethlngsarejustwrong
  • Score: 2

3:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Fairfax Aches says...

I'm not quite sure how yet, but I suspect this is all the fault of the Greens.
I'm not quite sure how yet, but I suspect this is all the fault of the Greens. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tykemison says...

somethlngsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ?
Wake up you hopeless idiot.
Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)).
[quote][p][bold]somethlngsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ? Wake up you hopeless idiot.[/p][/quote]Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)). tykemison
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Fri 24 Jan 14

John Steed says...

get over to worthing, the problem is epidemic
get over to worthing, the problem is epidemic John Steed
  • Score: 0

11:21pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Levent says...

That explains the smell emanating from smokers!
That explains the smell emanating from smokers! Levent
  • Score: 3

8:50am Sun 26 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

tykemison wrote:
somethlngsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ?
Wake up you hopeless idiot.
Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)).
Please note the difference in posting names

The above is lower case s

The real Somethingsarejustwro
ng is UPPER CASE S
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]somethlngsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ? Wake up you hopeless idiot.[/p][/quote]Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)).[/p][/quote]Please note the difference in posting names The above is lower case s The real Somethingsarejustwro ng is UPPER CASE S I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Somethlngsarejustɯrong says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
tykemison wrote:
somethlngsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
tykemison wrote:
Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.
And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ?
Wake up you hopeless idiot.
Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)).
Please note the difference in posting names

The above is lower case s

The real Somethingsarejustwro

ng is UPPER CASE S
This by the way, is just one of my many posting names, there is a clear pattern in my comments if you pay attention. The more intelligent of you might notice it, I doubt Gaz Scott and her miscreant mates will.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]somethlngsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Why was my comment removed? If saying the shop's that sell counterfeit tobacco/wine/spirits are not arab shop's but are tesco's/sainsbury's or waitrose then fair play, otherwise if it's the truth, why would anyone find it offensive to speak the truth about people from a minority who clearly do not care what harm they do to the general populace in the name of profit? If they commit crime's they have no anonymity and should, , rightly, be named and shamed.Before you delete this post unnecessarily, please give a valid reason, free press ring any bell's?.[/p][/quote]And you have never thought about the much larger scale harm big supermarkets are having, not just on the populace, but internationally ? Wake up you hopeless idiot.[/p][/quote]Some things are just wrong, we are not commenting on the rights or (many) wrongs of the big supermarket's, we are commenting on local shops(lewes road,ashles)so please, no cheap shots (or tobacco:-)).[/p][/quote]Please note the difference in posting names The above is lower case s The real Somethingsarejustwro ng is UPPER CASE S[/p][/quote]This by the way, is just one of my many posting names, there is a clear pattern in my comments if you pay attention. The more intelligent of you might notice it, I doubt Gaz Scott and her miscreant mates will. Somethlngsarejustɯrong
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7:28pm Mon 3 Feb 14

menowhere says...

so now we go to the japenese to get our moral meter adjusted
so now we go to the japenese to get our moral meter adjusted menowhere
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