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Talking Point: Do you think parents should be fined for taking children out of school?

Today, The Argus reveals that Sussex parents were fined a total of £97,000 last year for taking their children out of school for term-time holidays

The number of fines looks set to rise even further after the Department for Education tightened its guidelines to prevent headteachers from authorising any term time absence except in the most exceptional circumstances.

The tighter rules, which came into force on September 1 last year, also gives heads the power to specify how many days children can take off if they absolutely have to.

Do you think parents should be able to take their children out of school during term time? 

Or do you think pupils' education is more important than a cheap holiday? 

Leave your comments below. 

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11:43am Tue 28 Jan 14

Stoney33 says...

I don't agree with it

Term time holidays have always been cheaper, any parent of a child at the moment will have known that before deciding to have that child, it hasnt changed suddenly

Taxes have paid for that child to be educated on that day, plus the surrounding facilities the school provides, its abusing tax payers money, as much as any 'benefits scrounger' in my opinion.

Cheap holidays can be had, we go camping, even abroad in Sunny climates. Its not as great as a hotel type thing, but thats the choice we made when we had children
I don't agree with it Term time holidays have always been cheaper, any parent of a child at the moment will have known that before deciding to have that child, it hasnt changed suddenly Taxes have paid for that child to be educated on that day, plus the surrounding facilities the school provides, its abusing tax payers money, as much as any 'benefits scrounger' in my opinion. Cheap holidays can be had, we go camping, even abroad in Sunny climates. Its not as great as a hotel type thing, but thats the choice we made when we had children Stoney33
  • Score: -3

11:45am Tue 28 Jan 14

FC says...

Yes they should. You have 13 weeks you can take your little oik on holiday. Be thankful you can afford to consider it in the first place.
Yes they should. You have 13 weeks you can take your little oik on holiday. Be thankful you can afford to consider it in the first place. FC
  • Score: -1

11:51am Tue 28 Jan 14

Stoney33 says...

Stoney33 wrote:
I don't agree with it Term time holidays have always been cheaper, any parent of a child at the moment will have known that before deciding to have that child, it hasnt changed suddenly Taxes have paid for that child to be educated on that day, plus the surrounding facilities the school provides, its abusing tax payers money, as much as any 'benefits scrounger' in my opinion. Cheap holidays can be had, we go camping, even abroad in Sunny climates. Its not as great as a hotel type thing, but thats the choice we made when we had children
I should say i agree with the fines, i dont agree with taking children out of school for holidays
[quote][p][bold]Stoney33[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with it Term time holidays have always been cheaper, any parent of a child at the moment will have known that before deciding to have that child, it hasnt changed suddenly Taxes have paid for that child to be educated on that day, plus the surrounding facilities the school provides, its abusing tax payers money, as much as any 'benefits scrounger' in my opinion. Cheap holidays can be had, we go camping, even abroad in Sunny climates. Its not as great as a hotel type thing, but thats the choice we made when we had children[/p][/quote]I should say i agree with the fines, i dont agree with taking children out of school for holidays Stoney33
  • Score: -3

12:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

Yes. It's not like the parents are unaware of the term and holiday dates.
Yes. It's not like the parents are unaware of the term and holiday dates. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Tallywhacker says...

So I guess I am never permitted a holiday with my kids then? I can't pick when my holidays are they are alocated on a 12 block system, that means I get holidays when schools are off once every six years. It comes down too whose kids are they, mine or the states. All you get is the "it damages your childs future"..Bull-sh-it. I have asked for work to take with us. Nothing, seems it's a bit too much bother for the school. I can afford a holiday when the kids are off, what I don't get is the time.
So I guess I am never permitted a holiday with my kids then? I can't pick when my holidays are they are alocated on a 12 block system, that means I get holidays when schools are off once every six years. It comes down too whose kids are they, mine or the states. All you get is the "it damages your childs future"..Bull-sh-it. I have asked for work to take with us. Nothing, seems it's a bit too much bother for the school. I can afford a holiday when the kids are off, what I don't get is the time. Tallywhacker
  • Score: 5

1:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

I find it strange that it's OK for teachers to disrupt childrens' education for :

> Striking
> Teacher training days
> Taking a selective group of children "on holiday" - ski-ing or to places like New York
> Closing the school for voting ( OK - this isn't teacher led )

They then ask for ever more money for art materials, cooking and the contemptible "school fund".

Yet, when parents try and recover some of that money by going on an affordable family holiday within term time the school want to leach yet more money.

It's a money raising exercise and nothing else. The law already has the power to deal with constant absenteeism so why should teachers get the power to fine parents ?
I find it strange that it's OK for teachers to disrupt childrens' education for : > Striking > Teacher training days > Taking a selective group of children "on holiday" - ski-ing or to places like New York > Closing the school for voting ( OK - this isn't teacher led ) They then ask for ever more money for art materials, cooking and the contemptible "school fund". Yet, when parents try and recover some of that money by going on an affordable family holiday within term time the school want to leach yet more money. It's a money raising exercise and nothing else. The law already has the power to deal with constant absenteeism so why should teachers get the power to fine parents ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 17

3:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

The only reason parents take them out is the staggering cost of a hilday during school holiday season. Yes its supply and demand, But what is a parent to do if you want to offer your children a decent holiday (which all parents would like to). Children can learn more from the experience than sitting in a classroom for a week. Im on the fence on this one, As yes its clearly wrong to flount this law, Especially as kids get older, But on the other hand why cant parents be offered the choice of letting the child catch up in evenings or weekends, in order to prevent being fined.

Ideally someone slap a regulation on the holiday comapnies to stop ripping families off in the summer holiday months.

Ultimately, I blame the greens.
The only reason parents take them out is the staggering cost of a hilday during school holiday season. Yes its supply and demand, But what is a parent to do if you want to offer your children a decent holiday (which all parents would like to). Children can learn more from the experience than sitting in a classroom for a week. Im on the fence on this one, As yes its clearly wrong to flount this law, Especially as kids get older, But on the other hand why cant parents be offered the choice of letting the child catch up in evenings or weekends, in order to prevent being fined. Ideally someone slap a regulation on the holiday comapnies to stop ripping families off in the summer holiday months. Ultimately, I blame the greens. Brighton1000
  • Score: 11

6:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Wageslavemum says...

Reinstate the discretionary 10 days out of school per academic year. That allows parents to get the benefit of a departure date perhaps a couple of days before the full rush and price hike of high season and means children don't miss an inordinate amount of school. Thereafter, impose greater penalties if necessary. School kids spent plenty of time watching videos in class or practising Christmas carls for weeks on end. In a class of 30 they are
unlikely to miss much in terms of personal attention and have much to gain from a family trip. Of course private schools have their own term dates allowing those already privileged families to benefit from lower prices, which are then rise steeply at start of state school holidays. Ultimately travel firms are exploiting the situation and require regulation. But since government won't tackle the bankers, don't hold your breath on this one.
Reinstate the discretionary 10 days out of school per academic year. That allows parents to get the benefit of a departure date perhaps a couple of days before the full rush and price hike of high season and means children don't miss an inordinate amount of school. Thereafter, impose greater penalties if necessary. School kids spent plenty of time watching videos in class or practising Christmas carls for weeks on end. In a class of 30 they are unlikely to miss much in terms of personal attention and have much to gain from a family trip. Of course private schools have their own term dates allowing those already privileged families to benefit from lower prices, which are then rise steeply at start of state school holidays. Ultimately travel firms are exploiting the situation and require regulation. But since government won't tackle the bankers, don't hold your breath on this one. Wageslavemum
  • Score: 5

10:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

reject_the_absurd says...

Why not reduce school holidays by two weeks, then allow parents to take their children out for two weeks of their choice to help avoid high holiday prices and provide some flexibility. Alternatively inset/training days to be completed in school holidays and allow parents the teaching time recovered to allow more flexible holiday selection. After all I don't know of any other employers which provide their staff with so much holiday. Or is it the fear of striking teachers which make it easier to impose restrictions on parents instrad?
Why not reduce school holidays by two weeks, then allow parents to take their children out for two weeks of their choice to help avoid high holiday prices and provide some flexibility. Alternatively inset/training days to be completed in school holidays and allow parents the teaching time recovered to allow more flexible holiday selection. After all I don't know of any other employers which provide their staff with so much holiday. Or is it the fear of striking teachers which make it easier to impose restrictions on parents instrad? reject_the_absurd
  • Score: 1

11:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

reject_the_absurd says...

Why don't they reduce the amount of school holidays by two weeks a year, then allow parents to take children out of school for two weeks at a time of their choice. That will allow parents to avoid high holiday prices which are not justified. Alternatively make school s schedule inset/training days in school holidays and then let parents use some of the time saved by doing so, after all I am not aware of any other professions which allow their workers quite so much holiday time.
Why don't they reduce the amount of school holidays by two weeks a year, then allow parents to take children out of school for two weeks at a time of their choice. That will allow parents to avoid high holiday prices which are not justified. Alternatively make school s schedule inset/training days in school holidays and then let parents use some of the time saved by doing so, after all I am not aware of any other professions which allow their workers quite so much holiday time. reject_the_absurd
  • Score: 1

11:15pm Tue 28 Jan 14

mummyof4 says...

These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines.
I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much.
I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy.
These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines. I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much. I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy. mummyof4
  • Score: 3

9:25am Wed 29 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

The comments here say a lot about parents attitude to education in our "me. me. me" society.
The comments here say a lot about parents attitude to education in our "me. me. me" society. Plantpot
  • Score: 2

10:16am Wed 29 Jan 14

Morpheus says...

mummyof4 wrote:
These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines.
I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much.
I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy.
You have no understanding of the holiday market. Money is made through the demand and this means prices are higher when the demand is high. The cheaper rates are when the want to attract people at times of low demand.
[quote][p][bold]mummyof4[/bold] wrote: These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines. I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much. I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy.[/p][/quote]You have no understanding of the holiday market. Money is made through the demand and this means prices are higher when the demand is high. The cheaper rates are when the want to attract people at times of low demand. Morpheus
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Wed 29 Jan 14

reject_the_absurd says...

Morpheus wrote:
mummyof4 wrote:
These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines.
I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much.
I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy.
You have no understanding of the holiday market. Money is made through the demand and this means prices are higher when the demand is high. The cheaper rates are when the want to attract people at times of low demand.
However surely if th system can be changed to spread the demand this would be reflected in the prices. In other words, allow more flexibility for parents.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mummyof4[/bold] wrote: These holiday destinations should charge less for school holidays and more during school time, that way they make money and parents save money on fines. I'm a parent my self and it's ridiculous amount of money during school holidays and no matter where u go on holiday it's packed which ruins things because u can't do much. I've taken my kids on holiday during school time, ( yes I've also been fined for it) not because I can't afford it, just because they can do a lot more and have more fun as less busy.[/p][/quote]You have no understanding of the holiday market. Money is made through the demand and this means prices are higher when the demand is high. The cheaper rates are when the want to attract people at times of low demand.[/p][/quote]However surely if th system can be changed to spread the demand this would be reflected in the prices. In other words, allow more flexibility for parents. reject_the_absurd
  • Score: 1

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