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Jason Kitcat vows to stay in post despite vote of no confidence

The Argus: Jason Kitcat vows to stay in post despite vote of no confidence Jason Kitcat vows to stay in post despite vote of no confidence

A council leader is set to remain in his post despite a vote of no confidence being passed against him last night.

Brighton and Hove City Council leader Jason Kitcat dismissed the move by his political rivals to oust him as “grubby” during a heated council chamber debate last night.

A motion of no confidence tabled by the Labour group leader Warren Morgan was passed by 29 yes votes to 20 no votes but carries no binding powers to force Coun Kitcat from his position.


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The motion came after the Green party announced proposals for a referendum on a 4.75% council tax rise.

While many Conservative councillors voted in favour of the motion, many of them admitted to doing so with a heavy heart while Coun Morgan was ridiculed for his proposal for a caretaker administration to step in and replace the current Green leadership.

Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald questioned how the selection process to find respected councillors would work.

He ridiculed Coun Morgan for moving from “Victor Meldrew to Simon Cowell” for an X Factor selection of a new administration for the remaining 450 days before the next elections.

Labour were also accused of hypocrisy for proposing the vote of no confidence despite former Labour council leader Ken Bodfish carrying on in the role following similar votes against him in the past.

Conservative councillor Garry Peltzer-Dunn said he had initiated the previous motion of no confidence against Coun Bodfish.

He said that while Coun Kitcat could ignore the vote, he should recognise it as “a wake-up call” for his administration to take responsibility for its actions, which included setting its own budget.

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Fellow Conservative councillor and former council leader Mary Mears said she sympathised with Coun Kitcat and understood the difficulties of running a council.

She added: “But I have to say in all fairness, whether from inexperience or whether from not listening as they should do, this council has come off the rails. The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Coun Kitcat labelled his Labour counterpart “Councillor No” saying he was “never positive, always negative.”

He added: “This is a grubby little motion seeking to distract from the real serious challenges this city faces and belittles this chamber.”

Green councillor Lizzie Deane described the motion as “vacuous”.

In reference to Coun Morgan’s previous comments comparing the council leader to a “magician”, she said: “If Labour think they can run this city any better than we are, they are going to need a lot more than a bit of magic to do that.”

Coun Morgan said that the debate had descended into a pantomime that had not “covered the council in glory”.

He added: “Pantomime, comedy or farce, it is usually funny but nobody is laughing or enjoying the show. It’s time for the curtain to come down on this miserable Green party.

“The show is over.”

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7:49am Fri 31 Jan 14

rayellerton says...

If he does not go i can foresee a 'peasants revolt' with him being deposed by force. The people have had enough of this idiot and his cronies making life a misery...
If he does not go i can foresee a 'peasants revolt' with him being deposed by force. The people have had enough of this idiot and his cronies making life a misery... rayellerton
  • Score: 143

7:59am Fri 31 Jan 14

Ohnotagain ! says...

Mary Mear's say's

"The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat,

It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's.

Go Please GO NOW...
Mary Mear's say's "The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.” Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat, It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's. Go Please GO NOW... Ohnotagain !
  • Score: 136

8:15am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line:

"These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...."

I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence.
I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line: "These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...." I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence. BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 74

8:17am Fri 31 Jan 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

This megalomaniac will stay to the bitter end and his even more odious deputy Davey still has more grid lock schemes to waste money on in order to pay back motorists.
No money for vulnerable people BUT loads for cycle lanes and an eyesore tower by the West Pier no one wants.
And before one of them post as H Jars the fact some funding comes from central government is irrelevant it came from TAX payers plus was matched and wasted from Council funds.
GO NOW not in 15 months
This megalomaniac will stay to the bitter end and his even more odious deputy Davey still has more grid lock schemes to waste money on in order to pay back motorists. No money for vulnerable people BUT loads for cycle lanes and an eyesore tower by the West Pier no one wants. And before one of them post as H Jars the fact some funding comes from central government is irrelevant it came from TAX payers plus was matched and wasted from Council funds. GO NOW not in 15 months upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 92

8:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

Reporter1 says...

Make sure nobody casts a vote if there is a referendum.
Make sure nobody casts a vote if there is a referendum. Reporter1
  • Score: 29

8:30am Fri 31 Jan 14

john newman says...

It is only a matter of time before the council changes hands. We should now be considering which policies they had should be now abandoned and even reversed. We need a thriving city that is open for business so we can all benefit from more jobs and opportunities .
It is only a matter of time before the council changes hands. We should now be considering which policies they had should be now abandoned and even reversed. We need a thriving city that is open for business so we can all benefit from more jobs and opportunities . john newman
  • Score: 67

8:32am Fri 31 Jan 14

Martin999 says...

He's too arrogant to resign. Also, he knows that he will be looking for another job next year ( or sooner with a bit of luck) and he doesn't want it on his CV that he was forced to resign.
He's too arrogant to resign. Also, he knows that he will be looking for another job next year ( or sooner with a bit of luck) and he doesn't want it on his CV that he was forced to resign. Martin999
  • Score: 86

8:34am Fri 31 Jan 14

fred clause says...

So despite the other councillors doing what the majority of residents want Jason's ego is so big he won't listen and do the honourable thing his own Party should force his hand but we know they won't as they are no better.
So despite the other councillors doing what the majority of residents want Jason's ego is so big he won't listen and do the honourable thing his own Party should force his hand but we know they won't as they are no better. fred clause
  • Score: 77

8:39am Fri 31 Jan 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Has there ever been a more arrogant, ignorant and self-deluded council? The Greens impose their own vanity projects on the people of this city, irrespective of whether these are wanted or not, twisting figures to suit their own ends and listening to no-one but themselves. They would rather spend money on hiring sheep - all 700 of them at £2 a week - than social care, and then bleats there is no money.

The Greens are incapable of mastering the basics of running a council, such as collecting rubbish and recycling from residents, dealing with blockd drains etc.. This isn't rocket science - it's about prioritisation and basic management skills, in which the Greens are totally deficient. How bad does it have to get before central government steps in?
Has there ever been a more arrogant, ignorant and self-deluded council? The Greens impose their own vanity projects on the people of this city, irrespective of whether these are wanted or not, twisting figures to suit their own ends and listening to no-one but themselves. They would rather spend money on hiring sheep - all 700 of them at £2 a week - than social care, and then bleats there is no money. The Greens are incapable of mastering the basics of running a council, such as collecting rubbish and recycling from residents, dealing with blockd drains etc.. This isn't rocket science - it's about prioritisation and basic management skills, in which the Greens are totally deficient. How bad does it have to get before central government steps in? fredflintstone1
  • Score: 85

8:47am Fri 31 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line:

"These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...."

I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence.
Kitwat is more like Jar Jar Binks i.e. laughable, cannot be taken seriously and simply want to punch in the head.

Joking aside, he and the Goofy Greens are rapidly turning this once proud town into a laughing stock of: democracy, balance and understanding of the residents' needs.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line: "These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...." I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence.[/p][/quote]Kitwat is more like Jar Jar Binks i.e. laughable, cannot be taken seriously and simply want to punch in the head. Joking aside, he and the Goofy Greens are rapidly turning this once proud town into a laughing stock of: democracy, balance and understanding of the residents' needs. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 50

8:55am Fri 31 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour. HJarrs
  • Score: -101

8:57am Fri 31 Jan 14

s_james says...

rayellerton wrote:
If he does not go i can foresee a 'peasants revolt' with him being deposed by force. The people have had enough of this idiot and his cronies making life a misery...
What, like that 'petition' that was doing the rounds late last year which going to set off a revolution, ground to halt at about 600 names, and then nobody bothered turned up to present it to Council yesterday! Hardly vive la revolution

Life in Brighton is clearly not a 'misery' but the people get the democratic right to vote in 2015, and of course it is highly likely there will be a change in adminstration. I fear for Labour getting though after the pantomine politics of the past fortnight, and have actually found myself, at a local level, viewing the Tories favourably for the first time ever. No time for Theobald, although he made a good speech yesterday, but Cllr Cox in particular speaks a lot of sense
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: If he does not go i can foresee a 'peasants revolt' with him being deposed by force. The people have had enough of this idiot and his cronies making life a misery...[/p][/quote]What, like that 'petition' that was doing the rounds late last year which going to set off a revolution, ground to halt at about 600 names, and then nobody bothered turned up to present it to Council yesterday! Hardly vive la revolution Life in Brighton is clearly not a 'misery' but the people get the democratic right to vote in 2015, and of course it is highly likely there will be a change in adminstration. I fear for Labour getting though after the pantomine politics of the past fortnight, and have actually found myself, at a local level, viewing the Tories favourably for the first time ever. No time for Theobald, although he made a good speech yesterday, but Cllr Cox in particular speaks a lot of sense s_james
  • Score: 11

9:09am Fri 31 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line:

"These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...."

I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence.
Kitwat is more like Jar Jar Binks i.e. laughable, cannot be taken seriously and simply want to punch in the head.

Joking aside, he and the Goofy Greens are rapidly turning this once proud town into a laughing stock of: democracy, balance and understanding of the residents' needs.
Warren Morgan does remind me of Jabba the Hutt now you mention it.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: I don't know how many of you have watched any of the Star Wars films, but last night I was watching Episode III, and I immediately thought of Jason Kitcat when the evil Emporer Palpatine uttered this line: "These attacks on me have left me scarred and terribly deformed, but I assure you that my resolve to carry-on has NEVER been stronger...." I could just imagine Jason making this speech to the assembled Green Party loons after last nights vote of no-confidence.[/p][/quote]Kitwat is more like Jar Jar Binks i.e. laughable, cannot be taken seriously and simply want to punch in the head. Joking aside, he and the Goofy Greens are rapidly turning this once proud town into a laughing stock of: democracy, balance and understanding of the residents' needs.[/p][/quote]Warren Morgan does remind me of Jabba the Hutt now you mention it. Quiterie
  • Score: 5

9:11am Fri 31 Jan 14

kopite_rob says...

I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is.

Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power.
That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections.
Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view.

Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues.
Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year.
Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king.

Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre.
You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them.
Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact.

Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street)
The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more.
Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night.

I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.
I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is. Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power. That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections. Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view. Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues. Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year. Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king. Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre. You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them. Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact. Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street) The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more. Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night. I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again. kopite_rob
  • Score: 87

9:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

..clearly time for a career break, with suitable refreshment!
Strange how the unrest in B&H is mirrored in Seaford with its Town Council!
..clearly time for a career break, with suitable refreshment! Strange how the unrest in B&H is mirrored in Seaford with its Town Council! Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: 14

9:19am Fri 31 Jan 14

Valerie Paynter says...

The Tories very surprisingly pulled off a surprise humiliation of Labour last night before voting with them on this meaningless NoM - they are just discussion and voted opinion things that sometimes involve writing a council letter to the PM or some such. Cllr Janio showed his disdain for the existence of the NoM by not voting with fellow Tories. Abstained.

Anyone wanting to understand the differences between the parties should watch NoM bits of Full Council mtgs on the council webcast area of its website. Always at the end of agendas - except that this particular one was brought forward to the beginning of business just after public questions/petitions/
deputations.
The Tories very surprisingly pulled off a surprise humiliation of Labour last night before voting with them on this meaningless NoM - they are just discussion and voted opinion things that sometimes involve writing a council letter to the PM or some such. Cllr Janio showed his disdain for the existence of the NoM by not voting with fellow Tories. Abstained. Anyone wanting to understand the differences between the parties should watch NoM bits of Full Council mtgs on the council webcast area of its website. Always at the end of agendas - except that this particular one was brought forward to the beginning of business just after public questions/petitions/ deputations. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -8

9:19am Fri 31 Jan 14

PaulOckenden says...

A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures".

When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes.

Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes.

And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes.
A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures". When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes. Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes. And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes. PaulOckenden
  • Score: 12

9:26am Fri 31 Jan 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure. Richada
  • Score: 36

9:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
The Tories very surprisingly pulled off a surprise humiliation of Labour last night before voting with them on this meaningless NoM - they are just discussion and voted opinion things that sometimes involve writing a council letter to the PM or some such. Cllr Janio showed his disdain for the existence of the NoM by not voting with fellow Tories. Abstained.

Anyone wanting to understand the differences between the parties should watch NoM bits of Full Council mtgs on the council webcast area of its website. Always at the end of agendas - except that this particular one was brought forward to the beginning of business just after public questions/petitions/

deputations.
Talking about public questions - it was rather obvious last night that the Greens planted one of the questioners there to praise Kitcat ahead of the vote. They really can't help the spin can they ?
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: The Tories very surprisingly pulled off a surprise humiliation of Labour last night before voting with them on this meaningless NoM - they are just discussion and voted opinion things that sometimes involve writing a council letter to the PM or some such. Cllr Janio showed his disdain for the existence of the NoM by not voting with fellow Tories. Abstained. Anyone wanting to understand the differences between the parties should watch NoM bits of Full Council mtgs on the council webcast area of its website. Always at the end of agendas - except that this particular one was brought forward to the beginning of business just after public questions/petitions/ deputations.[/p][/quote]Talking about public questions - it was rather obvious last night that the Greens planted one of the questioners there to praise Kitcat ahead of the vote. They really can't help the spin can they ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 31

9:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

I think Warren Morgan's talents for shizz-stirring would be more suited to reality TV than local politics. He's basically done the political equivalent of sneaking up behind another unpopular kid in the playground and pulling their trousers down.
I think Warren Morgan's talents for shizz-stirring would be more suited to reality TV than local politics. He's basically done the political equivalent of sneaking up behind another unpopular kid in the playground and pulling their trousers down. Gribbet
  • Score: -11

9:32am Fri 31 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
The full support of his party's councillors? You sure about that?

Come on we can see through your spin and lies very easily. It wasn't that long ago that his own party were trying to force him out and if you think that we'll all believe that everything's fine and dandy with the Greens then you're more misguided than I thought.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]The full support of his party's councillors? You sure about that? Come on we can see through your spin and lies very easily. It wasn't that long ago that his own party were trying to force him out and if you think that we'll all believe that everything's fine and dandy with the Greens then you're more misguided than I thought. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 47

9:36am Fri 31 Jan 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Kopite_rob is right on the money with suggestions. Can't use the quote button on my iphone for some reason so comment is isolated from his post.

I especially agree that the greening in a ver bigged up qusi Riviera way would soften and improve it hugely. Needs a huge green boulevard up the middle of the Kingsway or along theits southern edge where there are no historic railings. A deep and emphatic fringe of marine-friendly plantings is all that is needed. No more schemes and trashy areas of public art/ amusing hings to do, just big up the grandeur with greenery and make it all look more sophisticated/grownu
p. Amazing how well trees, bushes and greenery dissolve sleaze/squalor/down at heel/pollution-heavy crummy and give at least the illusion of prosperity that might even attract it.

Put that scheme together, get it agreed and put some of the £36m proposed to be borrowed for i360 into it. In the 19thC there was quite a lot of greenery along the seafront. And today Eastbourne boasts a green seafront still.
Kopite_rob is right on the money with suggestions. Can't use the quote button on my iphone for some reason so comment is isolated from his post. I especially agree that the greening in a ver bigged up qusi Riviera way would soften and improve it hugely. Needs a huge green boulevard up the middle of the Kingsway or along theits southern edge where there are no historic railings. A deep and emphatic fringe of marine-friendly plantings is all that is needed. No more schemes and trashy areas of public art/ amusing hings to do, just big up the grandeur with greenery and make it all look more sophisticated/grownu p. Amazing how well trees, bushes and greenery dissolve sleaze/squalor/down at heel/pollution-heavy crummy and give at least the illusion of prosperity that might even attract it. Put that scheme together, get it agreed and put some of the £36m proposed to be borrowed for i360 into it. In the 19thC there was quite a lot of greenery along the seafront. And today Eastbourne boasts a green seafront still. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 15

9:41am Fri 31 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

So much harm to do, so little time to do it.
This idiot has a year to bring Brighton and Hove to it's knees, and the way things are going he will succeed, and he has the support of a real bunch of fools
Not to forget the court jester HJarrs, who wouldn't know the truth if it jumped out and bit him
So much harm to do, so little time to do it. This idiot has a year to bring Brighton and Hove to it's knees, and the way things are going he will succeed, and he has the support of a real bunch of fools Not to forget the court jester HJarrs, who wouldn't know the truth if it jumped out and bit him ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 38

9:44am Fri 31 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
It's very noticeable that over the last few weeks and the Greens have gradually boxed themselves into a corner how your posts have turned from promoting the Green agenda and successes they think they have to attacking Labour. That's the sign of an administration in it's last throws of power.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]It's very noticeable that over the last few weeks and the Greens have gradually boxed themselves into a corner how your posts have turned from promoting the Green agenda and successes they think they have to attacking Labour. That's the sign of an administration in it's last throws of power. Fight_Back
  • Score: 39

9:49am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

PaulOckenden wrote:
A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures".

When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes.

Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes.

And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes.
You should get on the phone to Rob Ford, this is the kind of approach that he believes in, plus he'll probably be looking for a new town to live in fairly soon.
[quote][p][bold]PaulOckenden[/bold] wrote: A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures". When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes. Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes. And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes.[/p][/quote]You should get on the phone to Rob Ford, this is the kind of approach that he believes in, plus he'll probably be looking for a new town to live in fairly soon. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

9:53am Fri 31 Jan 14

brightonpip says...

Ohnotagain ! wrote:
Mary Mear's say's

"The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat,

It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's.

Go Please GO NOW...
'The people of this city' are only talking about football today it seems. The Argus even posted a story about the weather before it got round to bothering with last night's council meeting. Maybe 'the people' are less interested in this issue than some of you think, or maybe our politicians are confusing the 'people' with a few of their mates in the pub.. Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Ohnotagain ![/bold] wrote: Mary Mear's say's "The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.” Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat, It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's. Go Please GO NOW...[/p][/quote]'The people of this city' are only talking about football today it seems. The Argus even posted a story about the weather before it got round to bothering with last night's council meeting. Maybe 'the people' are less interested in this issue than some of you think, or maybe our politicians are confusing the 'people' with a few of their mates in the pub.. Just a thought. brightonpip
  • Score: 4

10:04am Fri 31 Jan 14

Automaton says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
why do you keep harping on about the failures of the labour party. Its about time you put your own house in order.
What they did has no bearing on yesterdays vote.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]why do you keep harping on about the failures of the labour party. Its about time you put your own house in order. What they did has no bearing on yesterdays vote. Automaton
  • Score: 30

10:12am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet.

Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet. Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 36

10:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

Richada says...

Automaton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
why do you keep harping on about the failures of the labour party. Its about time you put your own house in order.
What they did has no bearing on yesterdays vote.
Because they think that it is now a battle to see who can fail the most monumentally.

The Greens are SO blinkered that they cannot see that they have won this battle spectacularly and that they can all pack up and go home covered in the glory of a uniquely successful failure.
[quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]why do you keep harping on about the failures of the labour party. Its about time you put your own house in order. What they did has no bearing on yesterdays vote.[/p][/quote]Because they think that it is now a battle to see who can fail the most monumentally. The Greens are SO blinkered that they cannot see that they have won this battle spectacularly and that they can all pack up and go home covered in the glory of a uniquely successful failure. Richada
  • Score: -3

10:16am Fri 31 Jan 14

Richada says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet.

Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down
Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now......

......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet. Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down[/p][/quote]Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now...... ......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote". Richada
  • Score: 12

10:20am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Richada wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet.

Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down
Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now......

......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".
The video was on Youtube but was taken down due to some kind of copyright violation; looking on the Net now and will post the link when I find it
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet. Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down[/p][/quote]Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now...... ......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".[/p][/quote]The video was on Youtube but was taken down due to some kind of copyright violation; looking on the Net now and will post the link when I find it BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 9

10:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

biker brighton says...

lets hope he gets run over in one off his silly cycle lanes
lets hope he gets run over in one off his silly cycle lanes biker brighton
  • Score: 8

10:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure. JHunty
  • Score: 25

10:25am Fri 31 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy. Plantpot
  • Score: 17

10:30am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
Unlike the incompetent and incapable Green administration, it would be nice to have some councillors who actually come from Brighton
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]Unlike the incompetent and incapable Green administration, it would be nice to have some councillors who actually come from Brighton BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 29

10:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

John60 says...

Stand down you stupid little man!
Stand down you stupid little man! John60
  • Score: 23

10:35am Fri 31 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

Richada wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet.

Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down
Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now......

......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".
It was probably a copy of The Sun...
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet. Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down[/p][/quote]Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now...... ......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".[/p][/quote]It was probably a copy of The Sun... Crystal Ball
  • Score: 12

10:39am Fri 31 Jan 14

Richada says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Richada wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet.

Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down
Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now......

......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".
It was probably a copy of The Sun...
Sorry, I boobed there.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]How is your mate 'Brussels' Lucas getting on? She's keeping very quiet about this vote of no-confidence, isn't she? Not like her to stay quiet. Still, after her run-in with plod (hilarious video of her on Sky News, sitting in a Police van and shouting "Do you realise who I am?") I guess that you incompetent, incapable Greens have told her to keep her head down[/p][/quote]Any chance of posting a link to that - could do with a good laugh about now...... ......as for where she is, probably fell asleep with a copy of last night's Argus over her face, therefore being completely unaware if this "utterly meaningless vote".[/p][/quote]It was probably a copy of The Sun...[/p][/quote]Sorry, I boobed there. Richada
  • Score: 9

10:42am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it. Gribbet
  • Score: -25

10:57am Fri 31 Jan 14

LargeAndInCharge says...

The people have spoken, but there Kitwat remains - clinging onto power like a third world despot!!
I won't be at all surprised if after the elections next year he tries to bolt himself in.....
The people have spoken, but there Kitwat remains - clinging onto power like a third world despot!! I won't be at all surprised if after the elections next year he tries to bolt himself in..... LargeAndInCharge
  • Score: 21

10:59am Fri 31 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one. JHunty
  • Score: 19

11:02am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence?

Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence? Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid? BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 24

11:23am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption.

As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.[/p][/quote]Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption. As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone. Gribbet
  • Score: -8

11:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy R says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence?

Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?
Who's that then?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence? Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?[/p][/quote]Who's that then? Andy R
  • Score: 3

11:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

PaulOckenden wrote:
A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures".

When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes.

Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes.

And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes.
Presumably you do not use a bus or cycle then!
Visit any major city and you will see similar measures. Also there is no such thing as an ' irrevocable local by-law' if a law can be passed it can be repealed.
[quote][p][bold]PaulOckenden[/bold] wrote: A few people should get together to stand in every ward at the next local election with a single policy - "Reverse the loony traffic measures". When they get in (as I'm sure they would) they would paint over all those stupid white lines & take down the signs. No more bus lanes. No more monster cycle lanes. Then they'd pass an irrevocable local by-law committing any future administration that wanted cycle lanes to build them in the smaller roads that run parallel to main arterial roads, rather than taking half of the main road itself for the lanes. And then, having done both of these things, their job would be done and they can resign and force a new election where the usual rabble can once again fight for our votes.[/p][/quote]Presumably you do not use a bus or cycle then! Visit any major city and you will see similar measures. Also there is no such thing as an ' irrevocable local by-law' if a law can be passed it can be repealed. gheese77
  • Score: -2

11:38am Fri 31 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

I love it! I cant do my job efficiently and the people hate me but I not going to resign until I'm ready. In between this time Brighton will be no more but at least I have paid off my mortgage with my extremely high salary..... GO AWAY YOU STUPID MAN!!!!
I love it! I cant do my job efficiently and the people hate me but I not going to resign until I'm ready. In between this time Brighton will be no more but at least I have paid off my mortgage with my extremely high salary..... GO AWAY YOU STUPID MAN!!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 21

11:41am Fri 31 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

No matter which party is in power during these times of massive government cuts they would not be popular.But the Greens are wasting so much money like 20MPH and anti car measures,filling bowling greens in at great cost and planting wild flowers on them,not opening tourist attraction like mini golf course hove seafront last summer ETC ETC ETC.But the other parties should also remember the greens were actually voted in they were NOT.The Greens know they have got it wrong recycling is much worse in fact our building of 36 flats has stopped doing it as it just gets blown around and not collected.I would like to see social services protected to keep our genuine disabled and old independent,i would gladly pay more council tax for this but only if the Greens stopped wasting money on projects than can wait until better economic times.Unfortunately councils across the country are taking the brunt of cuts which effects the poorest ,sick,old ,disabled the most in our society.The parties that have done the no confidence vote should aim there Blame at the bankers,MPs etc who are all unfairly getting massive pay rises and bonuses.
No matter which party is in power during these times of massive government cuts they would not be popular.But the Greens are wasting so much money like 20MPH and anti car measures,filling bowling greens in at great cost and planting wild flowers on them,not opening tourist attraction like mini golf course hove seafront last summer ETC ETC ETC.But the other parties should also remember the greens were actually voted in they were NOT.The Greens know they have got it wrong recycling is much worse in fact our building of 36 flats has stopped doing it as it just gets blown around and not collected.I would like to see social services protected to keep our genuine disabled and old independent,i would gladly pay more council tax for this but only if the Greens stopped wasting money on projects than can wait until better economic times.Unfortunately councils across the country are taking the brunt of cuts which effects the poorest ,sick,old ,disabled the most in our society.The parties that have done the no confidence vote should aim there Blame at the bankers,MPs etc who are all unfairly getting massive pay rises and bonuses. clubrob6
  • Score: -9

11:42am Fri 31 Jan 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Andy R wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence?

Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?
Who's that then?
His identity is widely known in Brighton, and on the Net; I can't print the councillors name on here as the Argus would delete the post due to potential libel issues.

If you do some judicious searching on the Net, I'm sure you'll come up with the identity of this 'turd miscreant'
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence? Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?[/p][/quote]Who's that then?[/p][/quote]His identity is widely known in Brighton, and on the Net; I can't print the councillors name on here as the Argus would delete the post due to potential libel issues. If you do some judicious searching on the Net, I'm sure you'll come up with the identity of this 'turd miscreant' BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 11

11:45am Fri 31 Jan 14

Quiterie says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence?

Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?
Is it really that bad to take a dump in a council microwave and on the desk of the Conservative Council office?

Come on..... we've all done it!
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]I notice that the Green councillor who is widely believed to have taken a dump in a council microwave, and on the desk of the Conservative Council office, is being unusually quiet over this vote of no-confidence? Have you Greens told all of your Councillors to 'lie-low' for a while? I guess keeping your councillors quiet gives them less chance to say or do something stupid?[/p][/quote]Is it really that bad to take a dump in a council microwave and on the desk of the Conservative Council office? Come on..... we've all done it! Quiterie
  • Score: 1

11:52am Fri 31 Jan 14

rolivan says...

kopite_rob wrote:
I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is.

Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power.
That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections.
Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view.

Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues.
Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year.
Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king.

Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre.
You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them.
Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact.

Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street)
The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more.
Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night.

I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.
According to figures from the Council there were 27,229 Students over 18 which represents 11.9% of the pop. these figures are from 2011 so I think there are over 30;000 now.Your figures are just from the University of Sussex.
[quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is. Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power. That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections. Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view. Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues. Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year. Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king. Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre. You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them. Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact. Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street) The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more. Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night. I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.[/p][/quote]According to figures from the Council there were 27,229 Students over 18 which represents 11.9% of the pop. these figures are from 2011 so I think there are over 30;000 now.Your figures are just from the University of Sussex. rolivan
  • Score: 14

12:11pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Gee Jay says...

kopite_rob wrote:
I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is. Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power. That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections. Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view. Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues. Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year. Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king. Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre. You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them. Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact. Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street) The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more. Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night. I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.
Agree with a good proportion of this, but I don't think you could have been to York recently..........th
e place is a nightmare, SO overcrowded and parking, well just forget it, and if you do find parking you need a second mortgage to pay for it. They still have louts, drunks full rubbish bins, graffiti and chewing gum on pavements.
Councils everywhere are full of 'numpties' pushing through vanity projects. Most council members could not get, let alone hold down a job in the real world (Oh, they would probably get a job with another council, or the administration or management of the NHS).
[quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is. Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power. That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections. Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view. Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues. Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year. Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king. Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre. You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them. Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact. Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street) The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more. Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night. I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.[/p][/quote]Agree with a good proportion of this, but I don't think you could have been to York recently..........th e place is a nightmare, SO overcrowded and parking, well just forget it, and if you do find parking you need a second mortgage to pay for it. They still have louts, drunks full rubbish bins, graffiti and chewing gum on pavements. Councils everywhere are full of 'numpties' pushing through vanity projects. Most council members could not get, let alone hold down a job in the real world (Oh, they would probably get a job with another council, or the administration or management of the NHS). Gee Jay
  • Score: 12

12:18pm Fri 31 Jan 14

wippasnapper says...

Amazingly when the other green councilors tried to oust Kitkat out nun of the Conservative or Labor councilors would back the green councilors but now Labor has made a vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat the Conservative seem to be backing Kitkat by not supporting the vote of no confidence and yet if the Conservative had brunt a vote of no confidence they would expect Labor Col to back there vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat…

But lets be honest the megacity of B&H residents would back a vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat and the rest of the green Col’s without a second thought but you would think the other party Col’s would also do so but seeing’s its getting close to the next general elections to who will be the next party to run this country into the ground no one is going to back anyone as it is a political plot agents there rivals…

We all know that the Conservative will not be re-elected to a second term in office and if the megacity of B&H residents have anything to do with it the Green’s will not get a second chains of running Brighton & Hove into a ghost town/city because of there radical ideology.

But let’s look at what we pay council tax for i.e. for services in and around B&H like rubbish collection but seeing’s the Greens have cut the number of staff to do the job in hand one would think of a reduction in council tax and what of the cut to the police and fire bridge and yet with all there cuts they still want to put the council tax bill up i.e. we pay more for less so where is the ideology in that its like the Conservative government making cuts in benefits i.e. rubbing the poor to feed the rich so its come as no surprise the Conservative’s are backing the green’s because they are tarred with the same brush of ideology.
Amazingly when the other green councilors tried to oust Kitkat out nun of the Conservative or Labor councilors would back the green councilors but now Labor has made a vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat the Conservative seem to be backing Kitkat by not supporting the vote of no confidence and yet if the Conservative had brunt a vote of no confidence they would expect Labor Col to back there vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat… But lets be honest the megacity of B&H residents would back a vote of no confidence in Col Kitcat and the rest of the green Col’s without a second thought but you would think the other party Col’s would also do so but seeing’s its getting close to the next general elections to who will be the next party to run this country into the ground no one is going to back anyone as it is a political plot agents there rivals… We all know that the Conservative will not be re-elected to a second term in office and if the megacity of B&H residents have anything to do with it the Green’s will not get a second chains of running Brighton & Hove into a ghost town/city because of there radical ideology. But let’s look at what we pay council tax for i.e. for services in and around B&H like rubbish collection but seeing’s the Greens have cut the number of staff to do the job in hand one would think of a reduction in council tax and what of the cut to the police and fire bridge and yet with all there cuts they still want to put the council tax bill up i.e. we pay more for less so where is the ideology in that its like the Conservative government making cuts in benefits i.e. rubbing the poor to feed the rich so its come as no surprise the Conservative’s are backing the green’s because they are tarred with the same brush of ideology. wippasnapper
  • Score: -13

12:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

ripmaxman says...

You can’t expect this power drunk maniac to step down he has a lot more work to finish to totally ruin our city. He is always crowing “the Green party have improved Brighton and Hove” Where?

His motto should be “I DON’T CARE YOU DON’T MATTER”

I complained to Kitcat about the lack of recycling collections in my area. We used to get a regular collection every Friday, since the so called efficiency plan we have to continually badger so called Cityclean to collect the recycling!! This situation has now been going on for 3 months. Haven’t the Greens learnt anything “If it aint broke don’t fix it”

Part of his response:
This is the largest change in rounds the service has ever undertaken. These changes are releasing efficiencies for investment in improvements such as new vehicles. However I know it is taking time to settle down, much longer than I would have liked.

We are working really hard to catch up and get onto a regular, reliable service (WE HAD ONE BEFORE). Part of the changes mean that now your bin day will only change for Christmas and New Year’s Day, no other bank holidays will effect your collection days. (It would be nice to get it collected!!!!)
You can’t expect this power drunk maniac to step down he has a lot more work to finish to totally ruin our city. He is always crowing “the Green party have improved Brighton and Hove” Where? His motto should be “I DON’T CARE YOU DON’T MATTER” I complained to Kitcat about the lack of recycling collections in my area. We used to get a regular collection every Friday, since the so called efficiency plan we have to continually badger so called Cityclean to collect the recycling!! This situation has now been going on for 3 months. Haven’t the Greens learnt anything “If it aint broke don’t fix it” Part of his response: This is the largest change in rounds the service has ever undertaken. These changes are releasing efficiencies for investment in improvements such as new vehicles. However I know it is taking time to settle down, much longer than I would have liked. We are working really hard to catch up and get onto a regular, reliable service (WE HAD ONE BEFORE). Part of the changes mean that now your bin day will only change for Christmas and New Year’s Day, no other bank holidays will effect your collection days. (It would be nice to get it collected!!!!) ripmaxman
  • Score: 13

12:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

rolivan says...

There are those that say the money for Cycle lanes and speed limit reductions are being paid for by Grants however the Council still has to contribute and planners are spending every minute of their time on this when other Projects like Housing go on the Backburner.Surely the priority should be to spend money on Vital Services then if there is any left spend it on Vanity projects
There are those that say the money for Cycle lanes and speed limit reductions are being paid for by Grants however the Council still has to contribute and planners are spending every minute of their time on this when other Projects like Housing go on the Backburner.Surely the priority should be to spend money on Vital Services then if there is any left spend it on Vanity projects rolivan
  • Score: 23

12:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

fred clause wrote:
So despite the other councillors doing what the majority of residents want Jason's ego is so big he won't listen and do the honourable thing his own Party should force his hand but we know they won't as they are no better.
In all fairness the other councillors had time aplenty to oppose the Green Agenda. But just like everyone is now blaming the Green Agenda of twenty year standing for the Somerset floods, so our local councillors were happy to let the Greens push their agenda so that they can now reap the nominal benefits of calling for a motion of no confidence.

The motion was ever without teeth and was never intended to actually gain a mass resignation. It was intended however to give Morgan and co., something they can point back to when the next elections (remember just about 15/16 months time) roll up.

That way they can reap the benefits of appearing to have opposed the Green Agenda without actually having to do anything to fight it in action. Most councillors are first and foremost political animals and just like their counterparts in central government view their constituents as having the memory span of a goldfish.
[quote][p][bold]fred clause[/bold] wrote: So despite the other councillors doing what the majority of residents want Jason's ego is so big he won't listen and do the honourable thing his own Party should force his hand but we know they won't as they are no better.[/p][/quote]In all fairness the other councillors had time aplenty to oppose the Green Agenda. But just like everyone is now blaming the Green Agenda of twenty year standing for the Somerset floods, so our local councillors were happy to let the Greens push their agenda so that they can now reap the nominal benefits of calling for a motion of no confidence. The motion was ever without teeth and was never intended to actually gain a mass resignation. It was intended however to give Morgan and co., something they can point back to when the next elections (remember just about 15/16 months time) roll up. That way they can reap the benefits of appearing to have opposed the Green Agenda without actually having to do anything to fight it in action. Most councillors are first and foremost political animals and just like their counterparts in central government view their constituents as having the memory span of a goldfish. mimseycal
  • Score: 10

12:50pm Fri 31 Jan 14

billy goat-gruff says...

What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them...
What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them... billy goat-gruff
  • Score: -22

12:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them...
Never mind billy goat-gruff ... we'll find something else to whine about ;-)
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them...[/p][/quote]Never mind billy goat-gruff ... we'll find something else to whine about ;-) mimseycal
  • Score: -3

1:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption.

As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.
No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.[/p][/quote]Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption. As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.[/p][/quote]No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public. JHunty
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them...
And when the Greens are gone what will the Green Thickarti find to complain about ?
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: What a damp squib! What would the Argus moaners have to moan about without Cllr Kitcat? Life would be so empty for them...[/p][/quote]And when the Greens are gone what will the Green Thickarti find to complain about ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 3

2:02pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

"So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public."

Well, at least they are transparent about their dirty linen. On second thoughts ... wasn't it Warren Morgan who made the bid for deposing the leader from within public?
"So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public." Well, at least they are transparent about their dirty linen. On second thoughts ... wasn't it Warren Morgan who made the bid for deposing the leader from within public? mimseycal
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
You live in your own little Green dream bubble Jarrs - Full support of his party's councillors ????

Why it was only a few months ago the Green rats were fighting in their sack and half - was it mangos or melons can't remember - wanted to get rid of this arrogant little twit.

He may be right in labelling Morgan grubby but he's far more grubby himself.

Whether you and your Green slime like it or not this city is fed up to the back teeth with Greens and only arrogant zealots like Greens could fail to see that.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]You live in your own little Green dream bubble Jarrs - Full support of his party's councillors ???? Why it was only a few months ago the Green rats were fighting in their sack and half - was it mangos or melons can't remember - wanted to get rid of this arrogant little twit. He may be right in labelling Morgan grubby but he's far more grubby himself. Whether you and your Green slime like it or not this city is fed up to the back teeth with Greens and only arrogant zealots like Greens could fail to see that. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 16

2:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

anubis says...

I am neither member nor supported of any political party -- but have been active in many local campaigns for the last forty years.

Yesterday's performance, which seemed to largely ignore the crucial question, "should the broad electorate be asked their view regarding raising the tax to maintain care for the most needy?", and use it as an excuse to pass a 'no-confidence' vote (ignoring the need to OPPOSE the coalition cuts), made my task rather easy when the next local election is on the agenda, and prospective councillors are ringing my doorbell.

I'll ask just one question -- how DID you vote on 30th January , or HOW WOULD you have voted. My vote will certainly NOT be given to any who supported the motion!
I am neither member nor supported of any political party -- but have been active in many local campaigns for the last forty years. Yesterday's performance, which seemed to largely ignore the crucial question, "should the broad electorate be asked their view regarding raising the tax to maintain care for the most needy?", and use it as an excuse to pass a 'no-confidence' vote (ignoring the need to OPPOSE the coalition cuts), made my task rather easy when the next local election is on the agenda, and prospective councillors are ringing my doorbell. I'll ask just one question -- how DID you vote on 30th January , or HOW WOULD you have voted. My vote will certainly NOT be given to any who supported the motion! anubis
  • Score: -7

2:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

It also proves one mis-quoted fact that rats don't always leave a sinking ship!
It also proves one mis-quoted fact that rats don't always leave a sinking ship! ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 12

2:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

anubis wrote:
I am neither member nor supported of any political party -- but have been active in many local campaigns for the last forty years.

Yesterday's performance, which seemed to largely ignore the crucial question, "should the broad electorate be asked their view regarding raising the tax to maintain care for the most needy?", and use it as an excuse to pass a 'no-confidence' vote (ignoring the need to OPPOSE the coalition cuts), made my task rather easy when the next local election is on the agenda, and prospective councillors are ringing my doorbell.

I'll ask just one question -- how DID you vote on 30th January , or HOW WOULD you have voted. My vote will certainly NOT be given to any who supported the motion!
Vote Green then - sounds like a great idea !
[quote][p][bold]anubis[/bold] wrote: I am neither member nor supported of any political party -- but have been active in many local campaigns for the last forty years. Yesterday's performance, which seemed to largely ignore the crucial question, "should the broad electorate be asked their view regarding raising the tax to maintain care for the most needy?", and use it as an excuse to pass a 'no-confidence' vote (ignoring the need to OPPOSE the coalition cuts), made my task rather easy when the next local election is on the agenda, and prospective councillors are ringing my doorbell. I'll ask just one question -- how DID you vote on 30th January , or HOW WOULD you have voted. My vote will certainly NOT be given to any who supported the motion![/p][/quote]Vote Green then - sounds like a great idea ! Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 5

2:43pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy R says...

If the governing party loses a vote of confidence in Parliament it triggers a dissolution of Parliament and a general election. There is no provision in law to dissolve a local council administration between scheduled elections, regardless of any vote of confidence. The only way it could happen would be for every councillor to resign their seat and trigger 54 by-elections. If Warren Morgan had been proposing this, his little maneuver may have been worthy of some respect, as it would have enabled the people to have their say. As it is, his proposal for some unspecified "caretaker administration" which no-one will have voted for is just an attempted coup. Fortunately his bluff was called and it has failed. Labour Party members might be justified in now asking "what's Plan B Warren?"
If the governing party loses a vote of confidence in Parliament it triggers a dissolution of Parliament and a general election. There is no provision in law to dissolve a local council administration between scheduled elections, regardless of any vote of confidence. The only way it could happen would be for every councillor to resign their seat and trigger 54 by-elections. If Warren Morgan had been proposing this, his little maneuver may have been worthy of some respect, as it would have enabled the people to have their say. As it is, his proposal for some unspecified "caretaker administration" which no-one will have voted for is just an attempted coup. Fortunately his bluff was called and it has failed. Labour Party members might be justified in now asking "what's Plan B Warren?" Andy R
  • Score: 8

2:52pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Goldenwight says...

Yesterday, he was calling the call for this vote 'meaningless' and suggesting that many times previously his opponents had done the same thing and failed to act on it. Apparently he was looking forward to seeing the outcome. Well, now he has. And lo and behold, his political views have changed!

Kitkat, please go now- you aren't only making a fool of yourself but also hurting 100,000 people. Would you like your home address made public? Because apparently you think yourself so popular that all you will receive are flowers and gifts. Sorry, son, but please leave Dodge City by Sunset...
Yesterday, he was calling the call for this vote 'meaningless' and suggesting that many times previously his opponents had done the same thing and failed to act on it. Apparently he was looking forward to seeing the outcome. Well, now he has. And lo and behold, his political views have changed! Kitkat, please go now- you aren't only making a fool of yourself but also hurting 100,000 people. Would you like your home address made public? Because apparently you think yourself so popular that all you will receive are flowers and gifts. Sorry, son, but please leave Dodge City by Sunset... Goldenwight
  • Score: 13

3:03pm Fri 31 Jan 14

simps46 says...

what an arrogant pr**k this man is
what an arrogant pr**k this man is simps46
  • Score: 12

3:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Ashles says...

We need a break... from Kitcat!

Ahahahahahahhhhaaaha
hahah.
Haha.
Ha....

I made myself feel sad now.
We need a break... from Kitcat! Ahahahahahahhhhaaaha hahah. Haha. Ha.... I made myself feel sad now. Ashles
  • Score: 13

3:28pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Alison Smith says...

Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
Easy answer, vote conservative in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]Easy answer, vote conservative in 2015. Alison Smith
  • Score: -3

3:35pm Fri 31 Jan 14

reddogs says...

Its about time Kitkat and his cronies resigned and let Brighton get back to being run like it should be, yet again our rubbish has not been collected this week and it is down to Kitkat again.This man is a total nerd and should go now and as soon as posible out with KITKAT
Its about time Kitkat and his cronies resigned and let Brighton get back to being run like it should be, yet again our rubbish has not been collected this week and it is down to Kitkat again.This man is a total nerd and should go now and as soon as posible out with KITKAT reddogs
  • Score: 12

3:47pm Fri 31 Jan 14

evad says...

I think Jason Kitkat should have a break.
I think Jason Kitkat should have a break. evad
  • Score: 9

4:16pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Gaz the great says...

It's a 2 finger Kitcat today (rather than the normal 4)-do B&H city a massive favour, resign & take the rest of the greens with you!!!
It's a 2 finger Kitcat today (rather than the normal 4)-do B&H city a massive favour, resign & take the rest of the greens with you!!! Gaz the great
  • Score: 16

4:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Alison Smith wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
Easy answer, vote conservative in 2015.
We need some truly independent councillors. Councillors whose first priority will be this city and its residents rather then political wannabes answerable either to a party or a quack ideology.
[quote][p][bold]Alison Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]Easy answer, vote conservative in 2015.[/p][/quote]We need some truly independent councillors. Councillors whose first priority will be this city and its residents rather then political wannabes answerable either to a party or a quack ideology. mimseycal
  • Score: 18

4:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Neville says...

Just about sums up the esteem all politicians are held in
Just about sums up the esteem all politicians are held in Neville
  • Score: 10

4:28pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

Could a SAS snatch squad be sent to Kings House to do everyone a favour? It would be a real "public service" if they could.
Could a SAS snatch squad be sent to Kings House to do everyone a favour? It would be a real "public service" if they could. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 12

4:47pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Zeta Function says...

Good people, do pick up some of the rubbish the next time you visit one of the beaches.

The beaches are being used, increasingly, to dump stuff. Recently a fridge, old blankets, duvets, and two Christmas trees. Huge amounts of plastic is dumped, wrappers, bags, wiring, fishing tackle, the usual dog mess and so on. I've seen a builder dump gravel.

Can more people be employed to prevent the beaches becoming health hazards?

Meanwhile I'm hoping to catch some of the dumping action on video.
Good people, do pick up some of the rubbish the next time you visit one of the beaches. The beaches are being used, increasingly, to dump stuff. Recently a fridge, old blankets, duvets, and two Christmas trees. Huge amounts of plastic is dumped, wrappers, bags, wiring, fishing tackle, the usual dog mess and so on. I've seen a builder dump gravel. Can more people be employed to prevent the beaches becoming health hazards? Meanwhile I'm hoping to catch some of the dumping action on video. Zeta Function
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go. NickBtn
  • Score: 16

4:59pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dr Wombleface says...

Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few.
Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few. Dr Wombleface
  • Score: 12

5:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy R says...

NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren! Andy R
  • Score: -17

5:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy R says...

Dr Wombleface wrote:
Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few.
Go on then. Nothing's stopping you.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Wombleface[/bold] wrote: Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few.[/p][/quote]Go on then. Nothing's stopping you. Andy R
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration
" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
A majority have voted for something, that is democracy and should be respected. What comes next is a separate issue.

Most councillors do not have confidence in their leader so their leader should go. Anything else defies democracy
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]A majority have voted for something, that is democracy and should be respected. What comes next is a separate issue. Most councillors do not have confidence in their leader so their leader should go. Anything else defies democracy NickBtn
  • Score: 11

5:51pm Fri 31 Jan 14

allykatz says...

Zeta Function wrote:
Good people, do pick up some of the rubbish the next time you visit one of the beaches.

The beaches are being used, increasingly, to dump stuff. Recently a fridge, old blankets, duvets, and two Christmas trees. Huge amounts of plastic is dumped, wrappers, bags, wiring, fishing tackle, the usual dog mess and so on. I've seen a builder dump gravel.

Can more people be employed to prevent the beaches becoming health hazards?

Meanwhile I'm hoping to catch some of the dumping action on video.
Please can you not post videos of people dumping on public sites, probably best kept at home.
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: Good people, do pick up some of the rubbish the next time you visit one of the beaches. The beaches are being used, increasingly, to dump stuff. Recently a fridge, old blankets, duvets, and two Christmas trees. Huge amounts of plastic is dumped, wrappers, bags, wiring, fishing tackle, the usual dog mess and so on. I've seen a builder dump gravel. Can more people be employed to prevent the beaches becoming health hazards? Meanwhile I'm hoping to catch some of the dumping action on video.[/p][/quote]Please can you not post videos of people dumping on public sites, probably best kept at home. allykatz
  • Score: 7

5:59pm Fri 31 Jan 14

brightonian57 says...

Like 5h/t to a shovel
Like 5h/t to a shovel brightonian57
  • Score: 6

6:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dr Wombleface says...

Andy R wrote:
Dr Wombleface wrote:
Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few.
Go on then. Nothing's stopping you.
I realise that and peaceful protest is a right, but it needs more than one to do it. It's time to GO GO (Get Our Greens Out).
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Wombleface[/bold] wrote: Time for the people of this town to start a 24/7 protest outside the Town Hall. A few moaners on here won't prompt any action and we can't vote them out yet, so people need to be visible every day and in large numbers so as he realises these are the feelings of the masses, not just the few.[/p][/quote]Go on then. Nothing's stopping you.[/p][/quote]I realise that and peaceful protest is a right, but it needs more than one to do it. It's time to GO GO (Get Our Greens Out). Dr Wombleface
  • Score: 8

6:39pm Fri 31 Jan 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Kitwat only survived last year on his wifes vote and now his oppo Follett has moved his Green ideals to another poor town is hanging by a thread
Unfortunately he'll stay til next May only 15 months and a few days !
Kitwat only survived last year on his wifes vote and now his oppo Follett has moved his Green ideals to another poor town is hanging by a thread Unfortunately he'll stay til next May only 15 months and a few days ! upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 10

6:58pm Fri 31 Jan 14

LeonBIank666 says...

This idiot is as wanted as a smelly poo in a swimming pool. He has zero dignity and is now showing himself to be the truly odious, obnoxious and utterly mad piece of marxist scum everybody knew his was.

Get out, stay out and NEVER return to Brighton in any way shape or guise.

The End is here Kitkat, just go.
This idiot is as wanted as a smelly poo in a swimming pool. He has zero dignity and is now showing himself to be the truly odious, obnoxious and utterly mad piece of marxist scum everybody knew his was. Get out, stay out and NEVER return to Brighton in any way shape or guise. The End is here Kitkat, just go. LeonBIank666
  • Score: 11

7:04pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bug eye says...

Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician. bug eye
  • Score: -4

8:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration
" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
Oh Andy R hard times for you with your beloved high tax, high spend Green party on their last legs.
You were spitting feathers over Jasons stance on the bin workers pay and yet here you are a short while later apparently having put all that behind you and supporting him.
We can all understand how the fact that you live a semi parasitical existence on the back of the workers and tax payers of this country would mean you would support an increase in tax. However for the rest of us paying more to support the lifestyle of people like you isn't an attractive option. As for a cobbled together administration voted for by no one, … foisted upon us……. well more people voted against the greens than voted for them so…..
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]Oh Andy R hard times for you with your beloved high tax, high spend Green party on their last legs. You were spitting feathers over Jasons stance on the bin workers pay and yet here you are a short while later apparently having put all that behind you and supporting him. We can all understand how the fact that you live a semi parasitical existence on the back of the workers and tax payers of this country would mean you would support an increase in tax. However for the rest of us paying more to support the lifestyle of people like you isn't an attractive option. As for a cobbled together administration voted for by no one, … foisted upon us……. well more people voted against the greens than voted for them so….. JHunty
  • Score: 11

8:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

brighton bluenose says...

Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -11

8:25pm Fri 31 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own

Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts. NickBtn
  • Score: 17

8:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

bug eye wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician.
Listen to you two! You are some of the most backward and intolerant people to post on the site!
[quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician.[/p][/quote]Listen to you two! You are some of the most backward and intolerant people to post on the site! HJarrs
  • Score: -12

9:00pm Fri 31 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.
I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up. HJarrs
  • Score: -13

9:08pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Boshay says...

If he had a shred of integrity he'd resign ... hang on, what am I saying, this is Mr. Kitkat ... how naive of me to assume he has any.
If he had a shred of integrity he'd resign ... hang on, what am I saying, this is Mr. Kitkat ... how naive of me to assume he has any. Boshay
  • Score: 11

9:26pm Fri 31 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

10:04pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.
So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.[/p][/quote]So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.
So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live.
Why do you want to send me a Christmas card?

I do get bored of repeating myself, but just for you Brighton. You?
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.[/p][/quote]So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live.[/p][/quote]Why do you want to send me a Christmas card? I do get bored of repeating myself, but just for you Brighton. You? HJarrs
  • Score: -4

11:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

eartheart says...

Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote
Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote eartheart
  • Score: -9

11:10pm Fri 31 Jan 14

eartheart says...

It is not Brighton that is going down the pan - every city is falling apart as the public underpinning is being torn down. Some just take it on their knees. Good to see one at least having a bit of fight
It is not Brighton that is going down the pan - every city is falling apart as the public underpinning is being torn down. Some just take it on their knees. Good to see one at least having a bit of fight eartheart
  • Score: -7

11:33pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption.

As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.
No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.
So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him...

I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.[/p][/quote]Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption. As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.[/p][/quote]No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.[/p][/quote]So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him... I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that. Gribbet
  • Score: -8

12:58am Sat 1 Feb 14

rolivan says...

Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption.

As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.
No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.
So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him...

I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that.
This was a vote of no confidence in the Party whereas before it was His own Party showing no confidence in Him or have I got this wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.[/p][/quote]Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption. As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.[/p][/quote]No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.[/p][/quote]So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him... I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that.[/p][/quote]This was a vote of no confidence in the Party whereas before it was His own Party showing no confidence in Him or have I got this wrong? rolivan
  • Score: 4

5:56am Sat 1 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.
So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live.
Why do you want to send me a Christmas card?

I do get bored of repeating myself, but just for you Brighton. You?
HJ We agreed that you would stop telling fibs. Why not come clean and tell them the truth that you live in London, have only been to Brighton once and are on the Green's payroll?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I have often slagged off the Argus for terrible bias and poor reporting. This is not something I like doing by the way, I want a good local paper. So for once let me say that the coverage of the referendum and no confidence vote in the last few days has seen better standard of journalism. Please keep it up.[/p][/quote]So where is local to you then, London or Brighton? You never did answer my question about exactly where you live.[/p][/quote]Why do you want to send me a Christmas card? I do get bored of repeating myself, but just for you Brighton. You?[/p][/quote]HJ We agreed that you would stop telling fibs. Why not come clean and tell them the truth that you live in London, have only been to Brighton once and are on the Green's payroll? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 11

8:59am Sat 1 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

rolivan wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.
If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.
Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind.
It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.
Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption.

As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.
No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.
So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him...

I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that.
This was a vote of no confidence in the Party whereas before it was His own Party showing no confidence in Him or have I got this wrong?
The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line and discussion and debate is encouraged; the opposite of the other parties. To not get a unanimity of views is not unusual and splits have appeared over major decisions such as the difficult allowances issue. However, I notice that the referendum was supported by all councillors, our single MP . The vote of no confidence was likewise rejected by all Green councillors. It is starting to become a trend. Green Party councillors may have divergent views, but I am pleased they are united on the great issue of the day in the city, which is to protect as far as possible services to the most vulnerable.

I might ask a question though what is the point of Labour? What is it now for? Certainly not for protecting services.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]No he doesn't have their full support. Just under half of them tried to get rid of him last year, asking for labours help to do so. You either have a very short memory or you are doing that thing, you know when people say things that aren't true just to win an Internet argument, what's it called again, starts with an l, there is a ying somewhere in there as well I am sure.[/p][/quote]If that was last year, do you know for sure that they still feel the same way? Or are you doing exactly the same thing by making that counter assumption and 'iying' as you put it.[/p][/quote]Making an assumption isn't the same as lying so null point for you there. Also upto the 16th of this month Jason was happy to propose a 2% rise all of a sudden he does an about face and insists on a referendum! an idea he had ridiculed last year. So, clearly up until the 16th he didn't have the full support of his fellow councillors because he has very obviously had a lot of pressure applied both by local councillors and the national Green Party to change his mind. It's a fact you can't hide because it's all over his blog that big mouth Ben Duncan has been one of Jason's most vociferous critics so please don't try and con us into believing that the greens are now united and all speak as one.[/p][/quote]Well the suggestion I was making is that you both made assumptions there, but you because you didn't like the first one, you labelled it a lie. You did exactly the thing that you objected to by making that counter assumption. As for 'clearly' this and 'obviously' that, nothing that happens behind council walls is really that clear to any of us on here, so you can't really go drawing those sort of conclusions. You're just as guilty of reading between the lines as anyone.[/p][/quote]No, it is a matter of record that Jason was nearly voted out by his colleagues. So I'm not assuming anything, I'm basing what I have said on what is a matter of record, Ben Duncan and Phelim Dirty Protest Mac. Cafferty are on record as being the most vociferous opponents of Jason and for you and HJarrs to pretend all the crack have now been papered over borders on the mendacious. So it's not a case of not knowing what goes on behind council walls it's a case of the greens having spent a lot of time washing their dirty linen in public.[/p][/quote]So in a past vote they didn't support him, but in this latest vote they did support him... I'd say that the more recent history would be a better indicator, but if you prefer to choose the old news to back your arguments, have fun with that.[/p][/quote]This was a vote of no confidence in the Party whereas before it was His own Party showing no confidence in Him or have I got this wrong?[/p][/quote]The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line and discussion and debate is encouraged; the opposite of the other parties. To not get a unanimity of views is not unusual and splits have appeared over major decisions such as the difficult allowances issue. However, I notice that the referendum was supported by all councillors, our single MP . The vote of no confidence was likewise rejected by all Green councillors. It is starting to become a trend. Green Party councillors may have divergent views, but I am pleased they are united on the great issue of the day in the city, which is to protect as far as possible services to the most vulnerable. I might ask a question though what is the point of Labour? What is it now for? Certainly not for protecting services. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

9:03am Sat 1 Feb 14

Richada says...

eartheart wrote:
Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote
I'm sure that Mr Kitcat is very reassured by that.

Just out of interest, do you live and / or work in Brighton, and, if so, how long have you been here?
[quote][p][bold]eartheart[/bold] wrote: Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote[/p][/quote]I'm sure that Mr Kitcat is very reassured by that. Just out of interest, do you live and / or work in Brighton, and, if so, how long have you been here? Richada
  • Score: 6

9:13am Sat 1 Feb 14

Can this be says...

rolivan wrote:
kopite_rob wrote:
I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is.

Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power.
That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections.
Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view.

Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues.
Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year.
Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king.

Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre.
You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them.
Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact.

Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street)
The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more.
Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night.

I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.
According to figures from the Council there were 27,229 Students over 18 which represents 11.9% of the pop. these figures are from 2011 so I think there are over 30;000 now.Your figures are just from the University of Sussex.
In the "Housing Challenge" article in The Argus on Friday 17 January they stated there were "33,360 students - 13% of population". You then come back to the definition of "student" in this number and whether these all have a vote etc and so it goes on.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: I was reading a report last night on University attendance in the South East and was surprised how low the student population in Brighton actually is. Now we've all heard yards and yards of commentary of how the student vote bought the greens into power. That 13,000 students, thats 4% of the population, can effect the vote is either a falsehood or the real culprits of the Greens coming to power is the total apathy of the population of Brighton & Hove and the low turnout at local elections. Trouble is between the main parties I see absolutely no difference, and follow the Russell Brand view, whats the point in voting when they're all actually the same party and you can only trust a politician whilst they're still in view. Local elections need to forgo National lines and concentrate on local issues. Now for me personally, I see Brighton becoming more like Blackpool and less like Bournemouth each year. Brighton is a tourist destination. It's the revenue generator. Traditional High Street Retail is dead and you can't hang your hat on it. Even promoting Brighton as "quirky" isn't going to cut it. Online shopping is king. Now the Greens were quite right with the 20mph policy in the City centre. You want to make the environment as safe and pleasant as possible for the majority which is your pedestrian sightseer, normally with more interest in looking at the sights than where they're going. Which is quite right, we want to encourage these people to come, not run them over and kill them. Anyone been to York recently? Its fantastic. Like all major tourist cities they've realised tourists like to walk and they've reconstructed the rest of the cities operations around that fact. Where the council has woefully failed is to create a tidy & positive feel for the city. Rubbish, graffitti, street drinking, begging, too much focus on the drinking culture (the Wild West, West Street) The money planned to be spent on the i360 could do so much much more. Figuring out what to do with Black Rock, tidying up Dukes Mound, restoring & expanding The Volks Railway, unisolating the Steine which has just become a giant roundabout, Pool Valley coach station, how about putting some greenery back in along the seafront and giving it a Riviera feel. At the moment its a dual carriageway car park by day and dual carriageway drag strip at night. I want the next party in power to think local and work for turning Brighton into a first choice first class destination again.[/p][/quote]According to figures from the Council there were 27,229 Students over 18 which represents 11.9% of the pop. these figures are from 2011 so I think there are over 30;000 now.Your figures are just from the University of Sussex.[/p][/quote]In the "Housing Challenge" article in The Argus on Friday 17 January they stated there were "33,360 students - 13% of population". You then come back to the definition of "student" in this number and whether these all have a vote etc and so it goes on. Can this be
  • Score: 0

9:20am Sat 1 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others. Fight_Back
  • Score: 12

9:32am Sat 1 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Richada wrote:
eartheart wrote:
Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote
I'm sure that Mr Kitcat is very reassured by that.

Just out of interest, do you live and / or work in Brighton, and, if so, how long have you been here?
HJ says that Greens would have to be that stupid to want to actually live in Brighton at the same time the party is systematically destroying it.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eartheart[/bold] wrote: Thank heavens for the Greens here in Brighton. At least one party has the guts to take on the ideological zealots that are punishing local councils and public services for the £1,000bn losses of the mega elites. And what are Labour for if not for trying to provide decent public services. It is sad to see the complete idiotic numpty bigotry on here. Go for it Kitcat and co - you have gained my vote[/p][/quote]I'm sure that Mr Kitcat is very reassured by that. Just out of interest, do you live and / or work in Brighton, and, if so, how long have you been here?[/p][/quote]HJ says that Greens would have to be that stupid to want to actually live in Brighton at the same time the party is systematically destroying it. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 7

9:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others.
The only way you voted Green was by putting a tick in the wrong box. You have moaned since the day they were elected despite them doing pretty much what they said they would. Now we have a proposal about a referendum, absolutely in line with the front page commitment on their manifesto and you complain even more!

Enjoy your speeding.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others.[/p][/quote]The only way you voted Green was by putting a tick in the wrong box. You have moaned since the day they were elected despite them doing pretty much what they said they would. Now we have a proposal about a referendum, absolutely in line with the front page commitment on their manifesto and you complain even more! Enjoy your speeding. HJarrs
  • Score: -13

9:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others.
The only way you voted Green was by putting a tick in the wrong box. You have moaned since the day they were elected despite them doing pretty much what they said they would. Now we have a proposal about a referendum, absolutely in line with the front page commitment on their manifesto and you complain even more!

Enjoy your speeding.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]You can kid yourself all you like but I want to see the back of the Greens ( a party I foolishly used one of my votes for ) as do many others. I have not signed the petition as I see it as pointless. I plan to deal with the situation at the next election as I'm sure do many others.[/p][/quote]The only way you voted Green was by putting a tick in the wrong box. You have moaned since the day they were elected despite them doing pretty much what they said they would. Now we have a proposal about a referendum, absolutely in line with the front page commitment on their manifesto and you complain even more! Enjoy your speeding. HJarrs
  • Score: -14

9:44am Sat 1 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
Sorry, it wasn't all that a "concerted effort", as a Brighton voter for the last 34 years I was unaware of the epetition to which you refer, and if I was, I suspect many tens of thousands were also.

For the last couple of years, ironically, having initially had very high hopes of the new, Green, council here, I had been part of the 'silent majority' in this city, merely listening to friends and colleagues slagging off the council.

Unfortunately, very selfishly on my part, it was when the council stopped emptying our bins (i.e. their actions hit me in the pocket - yes, I took my rubbish to the tip in the car, a very "green" 6 mile round trip), that I sat up, took notice and in "Googling" various aspects of this bin fiasco actually came across these various threads.

In so doing, I discovered that there was much going on in this city of which I had been blissfully unaware.

Just as Green Councillors have been accused of not knowing what goes on in the "estates" - i.e. outside of the city centre, working and living in the suburbs, I was equally as guilty of not knowing what issues were affecting those who live there.

However, my point is this, unlike the Councillors, elected on our behalf to run this city, I am just an individual, council tax and business rate payer, who has surprisingly little interest in getting involved in politics, but has been dragged into it by the ineptitude of those who have themselves chosen to do this and in turn been elected by the citizens to do so.

That I and others are unaware of such petitions is hardly surprising, in all honesty we have better, more enterprising demands on our time. The fact that the Councillors, and yourself, purporting to represent the now, proven, much less than "green" party, do not have a clue what happens in this city is unforgivable enough, the fact that you blatantly don't care is actually what is going to bury you here.

You Greens may well all see the vote of no confidence as "utterly meaningless", but the opposition Councillors - 29 of them, representing a majority of constituents in this city - both city and suburbs, voted in line with the opinion of not ONLY we in-bred moanerati, but also, much more importantly, of the so far "silent" majority.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]Sorry, it wasn't all that a "concerted effort", as a Brighton voter for the last 34 years I was unaware of the epetition to which you refer, and if I was, I suspect many tens of thousands were also. For the last couple of years, ironically, having initially had very high hopes of the new, Green, council here, I had been part of the 'silent majority' in this city, merely listening to friends and colleagues slagging off the council. Unfortunately, very selfishly on my part, it was when the council stopped emptying our bins (i.e. their actions hit me in the pocket - yes, I took my rubbish to the tip in the car, a very "green" 6 mile round trip), that I sat up, took notice and in "Googling" various aspects of this bin fiasco actually came across these various threads. In so doing, I discovered that there was much going on in this city of which I had been blissfully unaware. Just as Green Councillors have been accused of not knowing what goes on in the "estates" - i.e. outside of the city centre, working and living in the suburbs, I was equally as guilty of not knowing what issues were affecting those who live there. However, my point is this, unlike the Councillors, elected on our behalf to run this city, I am just an individual, council tax and business rate payer, who has surprisingly little interest in getting involved in politics, but has been dragged into it by the ineptitude of those who have themselves chosen to do this and in turn been elected by the citizens to do so. That I and others are unaware of such petitions is hardly surprising, in all honesty we have better, more enterprising demands on our time. The fact that the Councillors, and yourself, purporting to represent the now, proven, much less than "green" party, do not have a clue what happens in this city is unforgivable enough, the fact that you blatantly don't care is actually what is going to bury you here. You Greens may well all see the vote of no confidence as "utterly meaningless", but the opposition Councillors - 29 of them, representing a majority of constituents in this city - both city and suburbs, voted in line with the opinion of not ONLY we in-bred moanerati, but also, much more importantly, of the so far "silent" majority. Richada
  • Score: 13

9:57am Sat 1 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs says.......

"The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line"

That makes it all the more disgraceful that you are incapable of putting the interests of those who voted for you before your blinkered, ideologically driven party politics.

You were not elected to wage war on the other parties, locally or nationally, you were elected to represent the people of Brighton and Hove, who voted you in on a protest vote - being already utterly sick and tired of exactly what your party have become here.
HJarrs says....... "The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line" That makes it all the more disgraceful that you are incapable of putting the interests of those who voted for you before your blinkered, ideologically driven party politics. You were not elected to wage war on the other parties, locally or nationally, you were elected to represent the people of Brighton and Hove, who voted you in on a protest vote - being already utterly sick and tired of exactly what your party have become here. Richada
  • Score: 11

10:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

Richada says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
Answer it?

Well obviously, had the Greens been running both the country and the city of Brighton and Hove for the last couple of decades, the whole world would be living in utopia.

There would not have been a world wide recession.

Brighton would not be on the edge of a greenbelt / National Park - there wouldn't be any housing waiting list or homelessness as the council would have built all over the downs thus accommodating all, at no cost, PLUS the students, as many as want to come.

Oh yes, the arches! Of course you would have been maintaining those as part of the annual budget, just as you will be the i360 in ten years time presumably.

I did not claim that Labour or Conservative parties were the answer to this, but deluding yourselves that you can create utopia by waging war on all (political parties, unions, the government, the council tax payers, the true environmentalists), sadly only shows how misguided you are.

The tragically falling recycling rates stand out as a single example of how you have failed in even your own core value policies here.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]Answer it? Well obviously, had the Greens been running both the country and the city of Brighton and Hove for the last couple of decades, the whole world would be living in utopia. There would not have been a world wide recession. Brighton would not be on the edge of a greenbelt / National Park - there wouldn't be any housing waiting list or homelessness as the council would have built all over the downs thus accommodating all, at no cost, PLUS the students, as many as want to come. Oh yes, the arches! Of course you would have been maintaining those as part of the annual budget, just as you will be the i360 in ten years time presumably. I did not claim that Labour or Conservative parties were the answer to this, but deluding yourselves that you can create utopia by waging war on all (political parties, unions, the government, the council tax payers, the true environmentalists), sadly only shows how misguided you are. The tragically falling recycling rates stand out as a single example of how you have failed in even your own core value policies here. Richada
  • Score: 8

10:38am Sat 1 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ HJarrs 8:59am Sat 1 Feb 14

"The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line ... "
True it doesn't have a whip to make people two a particular line. What it does have however is little 'people's courts' where, if you don't tow the particular line, you get expelled. Remember Christine Summers? She was elected as a Green. She, for whatever reason, held an opposing view to the particular line Jason & co., followed. She is now our sole 'independent councillor'.
@ HJarrs 8:59am Sat 1 Feb 14 "The Green Party is a "broad church" with a wide diversity of views. Unlike our 3 main parties, it does not have a whip to make people tow a particular line ... " True it doesn't have a whip to make people two a particular line. What it does have however is little 'people's courts' where, if you don't tow the particular line, you get expelled. Remember Christine Summers? She was elected as a Green. She, for whatever reason, held an opposing view to the particular line Jason & co., followed. She is now our sole 'independent councillor'. mimseycal
  • Score: 12

10:52am Sat 1 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Richada wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
Answer it?

Well obviously, had the Greens been running both the country and the city of Brighton and Hove for the last couple of decades, the whole world would be living in utopia.

There would not have been a world wide recession.

Brighton would not be on the edge of a greenbelt / National Park - there wouldn't be any housing waiting list or homelessness as the council would have built all over the downs thus accommodating all, at no cost, PLUS the students, as many as want to come.

Oh yes, the arches! Of course you would have been maintaining those as part of the annual budget, just as you will be the i360 in ten years time presumably.

I did not claim that Labour or Conservative parties were the answer to this, but deluding yourselves that you can create utopia by waging war on all (political parties, unions, the government, the council tax payers, the true environmentalists), sadly only shows how misguided you are.

The tragically falling recycling rates stand out as a single example of how you have failed in even your own core value policies here.
The only items I have recycled in the last few months since the green idiots withdrew recycling bin collection services are our Xmas trees. To be frank these green idiots are so stupid that they don't realise that people will do things if they believe in the reason and it's easy. Everything the greens have meddled with has made life more difficult and devoid of purpose

Utterly ridiculous as are the pro green posters on here

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]Answer it? Well obviously, had the Greens been running both the country and the city of Brighton and Hove for the last couple of decades, the whole world would be living in utopia. There would not have been a world wide recession. Brighton would not be on the edge of a greenbelt / National Park - there wouldn't be any housing waiting list or homelessness as the council would have built all over the downs thus accommodating all, at no cost, PLUS the students, as many as want to come. Oh yes, the arches! Of course you would have been maintaining those as part of the annual budget, just as you will be the i360 in ten years time presumably. I did not claim that Labour or Conservative parties were the answer to this, but deluding yourselves that you can create utopia by waging war on all (political parties, unions, the government, the council tax payers, the true environmentalists), sadly only shows how misguided you are. The tragically falling recycling rates stand out as a single example of how you have failed in even your own core value policies here.[/p][/quote]The only items I have recycled in the last few months since the green idiots withdrew recycling bin collection services are our Xmas trees. To be frank these green idiots are so stupid that they don't realise that people will do things if they believe in the reason and it's easy. Everything the greens have meddled with has made life more difficult and devoid of purpose Utterly ridiculous as are the pro green posters on here Laughable Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 13

11:36am Sat 1 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I am baffled as to why HJarrs describes the a Green Party as a broad church when last week he said religion was a cult as did his colleague Ben Duncan who Tweeted that a church school was a cult. Tolerant is the last word I would apply to the Green Party. A menagerie of armchair anarchist men behaving like miniature dictators.
The party know it's over, the public know it's over and many of the councillors are already telling the electorate they are not standing again. I also understand that Caroline is also looking at returning to the European Parliament. They all know the game is up.
Just a note, you can't blame Jason for sticking two fingers up at us and refusing to go because it means he can claim another year's allowances while he tries to find a job once he and his wife lose their seats and very good allowances they if you haven't got a proper job or profession to return to. Check out the register of allowances on the councils website to see the level of imcome they have. It would be a huge loss to a family's budget to just stand down if you have budgeted to remain in office the whole term.
The law needs to change to allow an election if a council leader loses a confidence vote.
I am baffled as to why HJarrs describes the a Green Party as a broad church when last week he said religion was a cult as did his colleague Ben Duncan who Tweeted that a church school was a cult. Tolerant is the last word I would apply to the Green Party. A menagerie of armchair anarchist men behaving like miniature dictators. The party know it's over, the public know it's over and many of the councillors are already telling the electorate they are not standing again. I also understand that Caroline is also looking at returning to the European Parliament. They all know the game is up. Just a note, you can't blame Jason for sticking two fingers up at us and refusing to go because it means he can claim another year's allowances while he tries to find a job once he and his wife lose their seats and very good allowances they if you haven't got a proper job or profession to return to. Check out the register of allowances on the councils website to see the level of imcome they have. It would be a huge loss to a family's budget to just stand down if you have budgeted to remain in office the whole term. The law needs to change to allow an election if a council leader loses a confidence vote. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 11

12:13pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

Has anyone seen or heard anything of Caroline Lucas during all this kerfuffle?

Does anyone know what she is up to these days?

Seems to have gone to ground.
Has anyone seen or heard anything of Caroline Lucas during all this kerfuffle? Does anyone know what she is up to these days? Seems to have gone to ground. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 10

12:29pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Has anyone seen or heard anything of Caroline Lucas during all this kerfuffle?

Does anyone know what she is up to these days?

Seems to have gone to ground.
Methinks that there is a vast gulf of indifference, to put it mildly, between Caroline Lucas and the local version of Greens under Kitkat.

I last saw her at the 38degrees anti gagging-law meeting in Kemptown not too long ago. Kirby and Weatherley were invited to come along as well but elected to send a conservative councillor instead.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Has anyone seen or heard anything of Caroline Lucas during all this kerfuffle? Does anyone know what she is up to these days? Seems to have gone to ground.[/p][/quote]Methinks that there is a vast gulf of indifference, to put it mildly, between Caroline Lucas and the local version of Greens under Kitkat. I last saw her at the 38degrees anti gagging-law meeting in Kemptown not too long ago. Kirby and Weatherley were invited to come along as well but elected to send a conservative councillor instead. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

12:33pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Interesting that she attends an anti gagging event when the local party has an appalling record of mis reporting, gagging and carrying out consultations without governance etc.
I am so shocked I am going to contact her with some examples. Perhaps she can take action within the party.
Interesting that she attends an anti gagging event when the local party has an appalling record of mis reporting, gagging and carrying out consultations without governance etc. I am so shocked I am going to contact her with some examples. Perhaps she can take action within the party. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 11

3:30pm Sat 1 Feb 14

ARealBessie says...

HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking. ARealBessie
  • Score: 14

4:50pm Sat 1 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

ARealBessie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.
HJ says you are not playing fair.

He thinks using facts to support an argument / position is out of order and suggests you stop.and consider all the great things the Greens have delivered
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.[/p][/quote]HJ says you are not playing fair. He thinks using facts to support an argument / position is out of order and suggests you stop.and consider all the great things the Greens have delivered I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 9

5:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

ARealBessie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.
What a load of tosh! The Level was and always has been for everyone and if it got to such a state that is was being used by junkies and the like it got there under both a Tory and Labour watch, just as the 'poor and vulnerable' you champion reached that state under the Tory/ Labour status quo - but people like you wish for more of the same?!
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh! The Level was and always has been for everyone and if it got to such a state that is was being used by junkies and the like it got there under both a Tory and Labour watch, just as the 'poor and vulnerable' you champion reached that state under the Tory/ Labour status quo - but people like you wish for more of the same?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -13

6:19pm Sat 1 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
ARealBessie wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change.

We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that.

Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.
Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.
What a load of tosh! The Level was and always has been for everyone and if it got to such a state that is was being used by junkies and the like it got there under both a Tory and Labour watch, just as the 'poor and vulnerable' you champion reached that state under the Tory/ Labour status quo - but people like you wish for more of the same?!
HJ wonders why you are so keen on making the Greens look even more stupid than they are?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: We constantly hear a tirade of abuse about the Greens from the moanerati, but when I checked the epetition it finished with only 715 signatories, not even the combined membership of Labour and Conservative parties and well behind saving live music at the Hippodrome! This despite a concerted campaign. Perhaps it might be due to some of the so called vanity projects actually being far from vain and actually wanted in an expanding city (cycle lanes, bus lanes, redevelopment of the Level, Victoria Gardens etc). It may also be down to a lot of people not recognising the picture of the city painted by the moanerati. Lets face it, a lot of you just cannot deal with change. We are facing massive cuts, the stakes are high, lets see know what happens. Will Labour and Conservatives abstain for a vote to put forward a referendum? Will they campaign against it if they do? Now that really would be cynical politics and a waste of council money and it wouldn't be down to the Greens and people will see through that. Its time to stop the petty political manouvering and put the most vulnerable of Brighton and Hove first, lets take the politics out of it by all parties getting behind the referendum. I am confident a referendum would be won with all parties behind it and it would reflect well on all involved. It wouldn't stop cuts, but it would prevent the worst and send a message that local people have had enough of being dumped on by Eric Pickles and this dreadful government.[/p][/quote]Oh what, you mean like the way the Greens put the 'vulnerable' of The Level first HJarrs? I remember back in 2010 at The Big Lunch events when The Level's 3 local Green ward councillors were asked to go and introduce themselves to various vulnerable, disenfranchised, and poor residents, and, all of a sardine, all 3 suddenly found themselves with far more pressing engagements! They couldn't scurry away fast enough.That was the last time anyone saw a Green councillor on The Level (traditional stomping ground of Brightons poor and vulnerable) until the end of 2012 when finally Bill Randall deigned to put in an appearence once the HLF money was 'in the bag'. The 'poor and vulnerable' campaigned for 10 years to get a new swimming pool - they got fountains instead. The poor and vulnerable wanted a restored Kiosk with prices they could afford, they got a Cycling Cafe that sells Smoked Salmon and Eggs Benedict together with a nice glass of wine. Even if they wanted to eat there, they couldn't afford it. Lesson learned from The Level: The Greens only care about the 'vulnerable' when there's funding at stake and the 'poor and vulnerable' box needs ticking.[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh! The Level was and always has been for everyone and if it got to such a state that is was being used by junkies and the like it got there under both a Tory and Labour watch, just as the 'poor and vulnerable' you champion reached that state under the Tory/ Labour status quo - but people like you wish for more of the same?![/p][/quote]HJ wonders why you are so keen on making the Greens look even more stupid than they are? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 10

4:04am Sun 2 Feb 14

Fi Brighton & Happy says...

upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
This megalomaniac will stay to the bitter end and his even more odious deputy Davey still has more grid lock schemes to waste money on in order to pay back motorists.
No money for vulnerable people BUT loads for cycle lanes and an eyesore tower by the West Pier no one wants.
And before one of them post as H Jars the fact some funding comes from central government is irrelevant it came from TAX payers plus was matched and wasted from Council funds.
GO NOW not in 15 months
I agree with every word. Don't the Green 's have ANY idea of how the REAL WORLD works? Odious Davey thinks we should all be getting on our bikes. Er, has he ever noticed that Brighton is full of HILLS?! I'm not fit, I admit that, but the friends I have who are, won't cycle to and from work, shops, when they go out socially, or for any other reason except for a ride along the prom. The gridlock schemes - sorry, 'traffic-management programmes' - have absolutely no basis in reality and I'm NOT a car owner or driver! This load of dreamers, I mean 'clever people' - really do believe that they know what the rest of us 'want'. Actually, Mr K & co, you 'know' NOTHING! Most especially what is 'best' for us! I can't make up my mind whether you are all ridiculously arrogant, scarily stupid, sickeningly 'well-meaning', or just downright dangerously deluded! One thing I AM sure of is that you are not going to be in power next term! As others have said, you have made our beautiful and interesting city a laughing stock around this country and I can only hope that the next council will manage to undo the damage you have caused. Now DO THE DECENT THING AND GO!! BEFORE we vote you out! You WILL suffer an ignominious defeat otherwise!
[quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: This megalomaniac will stay to the bitter end and his even more odious deputy Davey still has more grid lock schemes to waste money on in order to pay back motorists. No money for vulnerable people BUT loads for cycle lanes and an eyesore tower by the West Pier no one wants. And before one of them post as H Jars the fact some funding comes from central government is irrelevant it came from TAX payers plus was matched and wasted from Council funds. GO NOW not in 15 months[/p][/quote]I agree with every word. Don't the Green 's have ANY idea of how the REAL WORLD works? Odious Davey thinks we should all be getting on our bikes. Er, has he ever noticed that Brighton is full of HILLS?! I'm not fit, I admit that, but the friends I have who are, won't cycle to and from work, shops, when they go out socially, or for any other reason except for a ride along the prom. The gridlock schemes - sorry, 'traffic-management programmes' - have absolutely no basis in reality and I'm NOT a car owner or driver! This load of dreamers, I mean 'clever people' - really do believe that they know what the rest of us 'want'. Actually, Mr K & co, you 'know' NOTHING! Most especially what is 'best' for us! I can't make up my mind whether you are all ridiculously arrogant, scarily stupid, sickeningly 'well-meaning', or just downright dangerously deluded! One thing I AM sure of is that you are not going to be in power next term! As others have said, you have made our beautiful and interesting city a laughing stock around this country and I can only hope that the next council will manage to undo the damage you have caused. Now DO THE DECENT THING AND GO!! BEFORE we vote you out! You WILL suffer an ignominious defeat otherwise! Fi Brighton & Happy
  • Score: 8

4:22am Sun 2 Feb 14

Fi Brighton & Happy says...

Ohnotagain ! wrote:
Mary Mear's say's

"The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat,

It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's.

Go Please GO NOW...
Not only idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular, but I can add a few more adjectives to the list. How about unworkable, unmanageable, unaffordable (esp in the long run), unsustainable (in other ways as well as financial), unsuitable, unacceptable, unfair, unhelpful, unjustifiable, unrealistic, unreasonable, unwanted, and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!! Oh, look at that, I've just described the Green Party!! More or less. Any other suggestions? Please feel free to add your ow to the list!! Let's see how many we can come up with! I make it 16 in this post alone, including those by 'Ohnotagain!'
[quote][p][bold]Ohnotagain ![/bold] wrote: Mary Mear's say's "The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.” Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat, It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's. Go Please GO NOW...[/p][/quote]Not only idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular, but I can add a few more adjectives to the list. How about unworkable, unmanageable, unaffordable (esp in the long run), unsustainable (in other ways as well as financial), unsuitable, unacceptable, unfair, unhelpful, unjustifiable, unrealistic, unreasonable, unwanted, and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!! Oh, look at that, I've just described the Green Party!! More or less. Any other suggestions? Please feel free to add your ow to the list!! Let's see how many we can come up with! I make it 16 in this post alone, including those by 'Ohnotagain!' Fi Brighton & Happy
  • Score: 5

4:24am Sun 2 Feb 14

Fi Brighton & Happy says...

john newman wrote:
It is only a matter of time before the council changes hands. We should now be considering which policies they had should be now abandoned and even reversed. We need a thriving city that is open for business so we can all benefit from more jobs and opportunities .
WELL SAID! I for one can't wait!
[quote][p][bold]john newman[/bold] wrote: It is only a matter of time before the council changes hands. We should now be considering which policies they had should be now abandoned and even reversed. We need a thriving city that is open for business so we can all benefit from more jobs and opportunities .[/p][/quote]WELL SAID! I for one can't wait! Fi Brighton & Happy
  • Score: 5

7:33am Sun 2 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks.

I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible.

I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling.

HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours.

And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual?
HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks. I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible. I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling. HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours. And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 10

8:33am Sun 2 Feb 14

menton says...

What a joke the Greens are. I am a Tory but give me Labour instead of this lot, or even UKIP if you must. In fact, give me anyone but this bufoon.
What a joke the Greens are. I am a Tory but give me Labour instead of this lot, or even UKIP if you must. In fact, give me anyone but this bufoon. menton
  • Score: 8

8:38am Sun 2 Feb 14

menton says...

Another thought,,,, let those who are happy to pay 4.5% extra make a donation to the council. In fact, why not donate even more if you are so keen to help them out. But on my pension, no way. Do I care enough? Well, actually no I do not.
Another thought,,,, let those who are happy to pay 4.5% extra make a donation to the council. In fact, why not donate even more if you are so keen to help them out. But on my pension, no way. Do I care enough? Well, actually no I do not. menton
  • Score: 7

9:17am Sun 2 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

menton wrote:
What a joke the Greens are. I am a Tory but give me Labour instead of this lot, or even UKIP if you must. In fact, give me anyone but this bufoon.
Please stop insulting buffoons ... generally speaking buffoons are merely ridiculous and amusing.
[quote][p][bold]menton[/bold] wrote: What a joke the Greens are. I am a Tory but give me Labour instead of this lot, or even UKIP if you must. In fact, give me anyone but this bufoon.[/p][/quote]Please stop insulting buffoons ... generally speaking buffoons are merely ridiculous and amusing. mimseycal
  • Score: 8

9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

NickBtn wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own

Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.
I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.[/p][/quote]I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -11

10:19am Sun 2 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own

Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.
I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back!
HJ so wishes you would stop posting on here making the Greens look even more stupid than they actually are.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.[/p][/quote]I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back![/p][/quote]HJ so wishes you would stop posting on here making the Greens look even more stupid than they actually are. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 6

10:29am Sun 2 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table. mimseycal
  • Score: 9

10:52am Sun 2 Feb 14

Richada says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens!

It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.
Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they?

The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out".

Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact.

You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions.

Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.
Sam
e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?!
That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own

Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.
I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back!
THAT is hilarious!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Unlike then Labour and council leader Ken Bodfish when he lost several such votes, Jason Kitcat had the full support of his party's councillors. Morgan's achievement seems to be to have united the Greens! It's says a lot about the modern Labour Party and it's leader that they will move a motion of no confidence because a council is fighting Tory cuts! Further, wasting council time having no workable plan and no policies should they get the Greens out. Just grandstanding. Yet another shameful day for Labour.[/p][/quote]Oh and the Greens are covered in glory are they? The vote of no confidence may be "utterly meaningless", but a lot of the opposing concillors on both sides were quite correct in saying that ALL the talk on the streets is of "when can we get these Greens out". Uniting the Greens won't make any difference now - it probably never would have done in fact. You and your party have set back the cause of local politics by decades - what we witnessed last night was appalling, the council tax payers being used as pawns in a party political battle that had almost nothing to do with services or even budget consideratuions. Nice to see you back though HJarrs, I have been missing my daily dose of spin these last few days, there was very little to laugh at last night that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Sam e old rubbish so answer THIS - under successive Tory and Labour administrations we have seen, to name just three - seafront Madeira Drive arches not being maintained properly leading to alleged refurb costs of £100million, 17000 people on housing waiting list, differential in council staff pay levels over a number of years PLUS under the same administrations nationally we are going thru a major recession - so you think the Tories and Labour are the answer to our problems?![/p][/quote]That's how the greens got elected - a protest vote against the main parties. However we've seen that naive (green in more than one way) politicians can cause many more problems of their own Yes, the main parties aren't ideal. But I'll be voting ABG next time (anything but green). I'm ashamed to say that I voted green last time hoping for change away from party politics. I hoped that green would deliver better recycling, energy saving, lower pollution. Failed on all counts.[/p][/quote]I must admit I'm not totally sure why the Greens have failed to deliver on recycling but I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government- the more severe of which are yet to come! As for criticism of other green initiatives - 20mph, bus lanes etc - Tory or Labour wo t be changing these soon, so unfortunately the Greens have taken the flak for these issues that the main parties already back![/p][/quote]THAT is hilarious! Richada
  • Score: 5

10:57am Sun 2 Feb 14

Mancgulled says...

Somebody I work with - his aunt used to be mayor - he regularly got invited to attend council "meetings" - free tours of the sewer system, secret underground passages tour from the Pavillion etc! etc! The salient thing I remember is his recollection that at these "meetings" he would always recognise the biscuit packaging because they were the ones he would look at enviously whilst doing the weekly shop - £8 per packet! Now scale that up and wonder no more why the police, ambulance services, medical services all occupy such a small place on your council tax bill! They are all liars but the Greens unfortunately fulfil every stereotype about being politically inept if given an opportunity - or certainly Mr Kitkat does! Pity because you have steered so many people away from ever voting for your party .
Somebody I work with - his aunt used to be mayor - he regularly got invited to attend council "meetings" - free tours of the sewer system, secret underground passages tour from the Pavillion etc! etc! The salient thing I remember is his recollection that at these "meetings" he would always recognise the biscuit packaging because they were the ones he would look at enviously whilst doing the weekly shop - £8 per packet! Now scale that up and wonder no more why the police, ambulance services, medical services all occupy such a small place on your council tax bill! They are all liars but the Greens unfortunately fulfil every stereotype about being politically inept if given an opportunity - or certainly Mr Kitkat does! Pity because you have steered so many people away from ever voting for your party . Mancgulled
  • Score: 8

10:59am Sun 2 Feb 14

Richada says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks.

I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible.

I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling.

HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours.

And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual?
WELCOME TO BRIGHTON AND HOVE - A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks. I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible. I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling. HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours. And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual?[/p][/quote]WELCOME TO BRIGHTON AND HOVE - A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE Richada
  • Score: 3

12:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks.

I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible.

I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling.

HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours.

And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual?
Should have just got the train like sensible people do.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: HJ - The sentiment against us Greens has grown dramatically over the last few weeks. I actually came to Brighton last week to find out what the problem is and wanted to travel in on the Lewes Road, but the queues back to the A 27 made it almost impossible. I then detoured back on myself and drove back on the A 27 to come back off again to travel down through Seven Dials village. Well Hj the queues were horrendous and it took me 50 minutes to get close to the new roundabout. When I finally got there it became apparent how dangerous the new arrangement is - people were crossing the road wherever they wanted the humped zebra crossings had become car parks and the visibility appalling. HJ - I then tried to find parking and noticed a lot of black bins were taking up spaces that I could have used. When I finally found a space, the cost was ridiculous and I could only stay for a couple of hours. And HJ that was me, I crawled back out of Brighton at 20 mph queuing and then headed straight back to London. I din't see any cyclists, is that usual?[/p][/quote]Should have just got the train like sensible people do. Gribbet
  • Score: -7

12:35pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

Apologies to La Lucas.

She has surfaced again and ...signed a petition!

High impact stuff.
Apologies to La Lucas. She has surfaced again and ...signed a petition! High impact stuff. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 8

2:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

3:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination? NickBtn
  • Score: 15

4:11pm Sun 2 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
HJ Don't let him get away with making positive logical points.

Hit him where it hurts with one of your radical ideas, like bus lanes, cycle paths or speed restrictions and then finish him off with refuse disposal.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]HJ Don't let him get away with making positive logical points. Hit him where it hurts with one of your radical ideas, like bus lanes, cycle paths or speed restrictions and then finish him off with refuse disposal. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 12

4:36pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ HJarrs 2:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Yes HJarrs, I was indeed reminding people that Liverpool Council in 1983/84 instead of buckling down to Thatchers' increasing cuts to local authorities joined up with their residents and stood out against her and her then government. It resulted in Liverpool getting an increase in their funding BTW. If that is calling for radical action, then so be it.

Hardly means that objecting to the call for an expensive and meaningless referendum, meaningless except for as a piece of political posturing, or wasting hours of expensive local authority officers' man, and woman, hours on chasing and administrating funding for non-essential services and projects while basic services, such as refuse and recycling, support for the vulnerable and needy in our community are cut to the bone is doing a radical u-turn.

Nor is being unimpressed and in fact utterly disgusted by the arrogant stance of a council leader who has faced not only a revolt from within his own party, a rising dissatisfaction by his residents and now a motion of no confidence by fellow councillors ... for all that the latter is yet another one of those meaningless political posturings by councillors who have utterly disgusted me with their lack of meaningful opposition during his reign.
@ HJarrs 2:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14 Yes HJarrs, I was indeed reminding people that Liverpool Council in 1983/84 instead of buckling down to Thatchers' increasing cuts to local authorities joined up with their residents and stood out against her and her then government. It resulted in Liverpool getting an increase in their funding BTW. If that is calling for radical action, then so be it. Hardly means that objecting to the call for an expensive and meaningless referendum, meaningless except for as a piece of political posturing, or wasting hours of expensive local authority officers' man, and woman, hours on chasing and administrating funding for non-essential services and projects while basic services, such as refuse and recycling, support for the vulnerable and needy in our community are cut to the bone is doing a radical u-turn. Nor is being unimpressed and in fact utterly disgusted by the arrogant stance of a council leader who has faced not only a revolt from within his own party, a rising dissatisfaction by his residents and now a motion of no confidence by fellow councillors ... for all that the latter is yet another one of those meaningless political posturings by councillors who have utterly disgusted me with their lack of meaningful opposition during his reign. mimseycal
  • Score: 9

6:56pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Robertostarlight says...

HJarrs wrote:
bug eye wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait.

If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.
I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician.
Listen to you two! You are some of the most backward and intolerant people to post on the site!
Apart from you of course dear old HJ
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: For a city that prides itself on being so liberal and at the cutting edge, in comparison with other places I have lived I find it backward looking and intolerant. Unfortunately it appears to be a universal socialist trait. If only we could find some talented local councillors keen to drive local issues. First and foremost, they should be concerned about attracting quality businesses to the area paying quality money. Despite being less than an hour from London, we still seem to be a bucket and spade economy.[/p][/quote]I agree, in wish ward Robert Nemeth is standing next time, young and progressive and writes in latest homes on local architecture, knowledgeable and interested in the city and not a single issue politician.[/p][/quote]Listen to you two! You are some of the most backward and intolerant people to post on the site![/p][/quote]Apart from you of course dear old HJ Robertostarlight
  • Score: 8

9:00pm Sun 2 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do!

So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything.

As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do! So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything. As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people. HJarrs
  • Score: -10

9:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either!
No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either! mimseycal
  • Score: 8

10:22pm Sun 2 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
As ever which alternative party is proposing to do all this ffs?! You seem to think that the Tory/Labour status quo will bring SO MANY additional benefits to our city - it is almost hilarious! !!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]As ever which alternative party is proposing to do all this ffs?! You seem to think that the Tory/Labour status quo will bring SO MANY additional benefits to our city - it is almost hilarious! !! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -9

7:33am Mon 3 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

mimseycal wrote:
No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either!
Hence why bus lanes have been improved, the Lanes are being made largely traffic free for pedestrians and the area around the station is to be improved to make it more attractive for train travellers. There are plans afoot to make Victoria Gardens far more friendly for pedestrians and cyclists, etc, etc. All for very little cost to the council tax payer, so well done council a balanced approach and imaginatively funded. Inconvenient for the anti-cycle lobby, but there you go.

If it is all so terrible, we have had a motion of no confidence passed, all Labour and the Conservatives have to do is simply form a coalition. Warren Morgan would have to replace the picture of himself with a " never kiss a Tory" T-shirt on his blog with one holding hands with Cllr Theobold, but that shouldn't be a problem, they are not that far apart politically and Labour will pretty much do anything for power.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either![/p][/quote]Hence why bus lanes have been improved, the Lanes are being made largely traffic free for pedestrians and the area around the station is to be improved to make it more attractive for train travellers. There are plans afoot to make Victoria Gardens far more friendly for pedestrians and cyclists, etc, etc. All for very little cost to the council tax payer, so well done council a balanced approach and imaginatively funded. Inconvenient for the anti-cycle lobby, but there you go. If it is all so terrible, we have had a motion of no confidence passed, all Labour and the Conservatives have to do is simply form a coalition. Warren Morgan would have to replace the picture of himself with a " never kiss a Tory" T-shirt on his blog with one holding hands with Cllr Theobold, but that shouldn't be a problem, they are not that far apart politically and Labour will pretty much do anything for power. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

10:09am Mon 3 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

I agree that the 'opposition' councillors have left a lot to be desired. Their acquiescence to Jason and co., throughout has been deplorable. Their silence, prior to this motion of no confidence, has been thunderous.

On the whole, this entire council, during this administration, has served this city ill. However Kitkat and co., have been leading this council since the last elections; even after the desertion of that half termer, Matt Follett and the expulsion of Christine Summers, for not playing follow the leader nicely enough in this whipless 'broad church' of a party. So his name is in the frame like it or not.
I agree that the 'opposition' councillors have left a lot to be desired. Their acquiescence to Jason and co., throughout has been deplorable. Their silence, prior to this motion of no confidence, has been thunderous. On the whole, this entire council, during this administration, has served this city ill. However Kitkat and co., have been leading this council since the last elections; even after the desertion of that half termer, Matt Follett and the expulsion of Christine Summers, for not playing follow the leader nicely enough in this whipless 'broad church' of a party. So his name is in the frame like it or not. mimseycal
  • Score: 8

11:36am Mon 3 Feb 14

Richada says...

However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go. Richada
  • Score: 6

12:05pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either!
Hence why bus lanes have been improved, the Lanes are being made largely traffic free for pedestrians and the area around the station is to be improved to make it more attractive for train travellers. There are plans afoot to make Victoria Gardens far more friendly for pedestrians and cyclists, etc, etc. All for very little cost to the council tax payer, so well done council a balanced approach and imaginatively funded. Inconvenient for the anti-cycle lobby, but there you go.

If it is all so terrible, we have had a motion of no confidence passed, all Labour and the Conservatives have to do is simply form a coalition. Warren Morgan would have to replace the picture of himself with a " never kiss a Tory" T-shirt on his blog with one holding hands with Cllr Theobold, but that shouldn't be a problem, they are not that far apart politically and Labour will pretty much do anything for power.
I love your term "imaginatively funded"!

My imagination is running riot right now on just how much of this funding has NOT come, in some form, from the tax payer at large.

Forget the council tax payer for the time being. The majority of us pay very high taxes on almost everything we do, and sorry HJ, but those of us who have little choice but to run cars (partly for our business) pay an inordinate amount of tax on the "pleasure".

Sadly the Greens really do have no idea of the economic realities, ideology is an admirable trait, however it must be applied in a way that is seen as fair and agreeable to the majority, if not, it becomes highly corrosive and, eventually, toxic - which is the stage that this city's council has now reached.

If the administration is incapably of providing "basic" services for all, how on earth do you expect it to support you in doing anything else?

In clinging onto "power" Mr Kitcat not only prolongs the agony for all council tax payers, but more importantly for you HJ, prejudices even more of the population - and not just in Brighton & Hove - against the Green party.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: No ... not everyone comes by car but not everyone comes by bicycle either![/p][/quote]Hence why bus lanes have been improved, the Lanes are being made largely traffic free for pedestrians and the area around the station is to be improved to make it more attractive for train travellers. There are plans afoot to make Victoria Gardens far more friendly for pedestrians and cyclists, etc, etc. All for very little cost to the council tax payer, so well done council a balanced approach and imaginatively funded. Inconvenient for the anti-cycle lobby, but there you go. If it is all so terrible, we have had a motion of no confidence passed, all Labour and the Conservatives have to do is simply form a coalition. Warren Morgan would have to replace the picture of himself with a " never kiss a Tory" T-shirt on his blog with one holding hands with Cllr Theobold, but that shouldn't be a problem, they are not that far apart politically and Labour will pretty much do anything for power.[/p][/quote]I love your term "imaginatively funded"! My imagination is running riot right now on just how much of this funding has NOT come, in some form, from the tax payer at large. Forget the council tax payer for the time being. The majority of us pay very high taxes on almost everything we do, and sorry HJ, but those of us who have little choice but to run cars (partly for our business) pay an inordinate amount of tax on the "pleasure". Sadly the Greens really do have no idea of the economic realities, ideology is an admirable trait, however it must be applied in a way that is seen as fair and agreeable to the majority, if not, it becomes highly corrosive and, eventually, toxic - which is the stage that this city's council has now reached. If the administration is incapably of providing "basic" services for all, how on earth do you expect it to support you in doing anything else? In clinging onto "power" Mr Kitcat not only prolongs the agony for all council tax payers, but more importantly for you HJ, prejudices even more of the population - and not just in Brighton & Hove - against the Green party. Richada
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Mon 3 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

12:43pm Mon 3 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

@ brighton bluenose 12:11 Mon 3 Feb 14

Oh please brighton bluenose ... do stop pulling out that age old refrain of all failing politicians of whichever shade or hue. We all accept that whatever administration is in control, they really are not in control because they:
1. are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
and in addition it is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen goes for Council leaders as well as the rest of us mere mortals. Kitkat has refused to step out of the 'kitchen' and so can ruddy well take the heat for the mess. They knew what they were letting themselves and the party in for when they went around soliciting nominators for their candidacy papers. They all knew what they were going for when they stood for election. And if there were a few 'nasty' surprises around the corner ... guess what ... that is life and something each and everyone of us has had to deal with.

He and his party have lead this council and so can carry the can for its failures as well as its (extremely minor and limited in affect and effect) successes, whatever they may be.
@ brighton bluenose 12:11 Mon 3 Feb 14 Oh please brighton bluenose ... do stop pulling out that age old refrain of all failing politicians of whichever shade or hue. We all accept that whatever administration is in control, they really are not in control because they: 1. are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. and in addition it is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen goes for Council leaders as well as the rest of us mere mortals. Kitkat has refused to step out of the 'kitchen' and so can ruddy well take the heat for the mess. They knew what they were letting themselves and the party in for when they went around soliciting nominators for their candidacy papers. They all knew what they were going for when they stood for election. And if there were a few 'nasty' surprises around the corner ... guess what ... that is life and something each and everyone of us has had to deal with. He and his party have lead this council and so can carry the can for its failures as well as its (extremely minor and limited in affect and effect) successes, whatever they may be. mimseycal
  • Score: 6

12:51pm Mon 3 Feb 14

rolivan says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough rolivan
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Mon 3 Feb 14

rolivan says...

rolivan wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough
Accommodation for the Students and Staff.If as it seems the City is to become a University based Economy the Planners need to get their fingers out of their handlebars
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough[/p][/quote]Accommodation for the Students and Staff.If as it seems the City is to become a University based Economy the Planners need to get their fingers out of their handlebars rolivan
  • Score: 4

3:03pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Richada says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road.

You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another.

Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty.

Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place.

You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome.

If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre?

No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether.

Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road. You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another. Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty. Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place. You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome. If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre? No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether. Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration. Richada
  • Score: 8

3:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

rolivan wrote:
rolivan wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough
Accommodation for the Students and Staff.If as it seems the City is to become a University based Economy the Planners need to get their fingers out of their handlebars
I don't necessarily disagree with you - and, of course, part of the housing problem is that every year students at both universities complete their degrees and a fair percentage decide that they want to live down here rather than go back to their hometown!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]So why are The Council allowing the Universities to expand surely they should make sure there is enough[/p][/quote]Accommodation for the Students and Staff.If as it seems the City is to become a University based Economy the Planners need to get their fingers out of their handlebars[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily disagree with you - and, of course, part of the housing problem is that every year students at both universities complete their degrees and a fair percentage decide that they want to live down here rather than go back to their hometown! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

3:14pm Mon 3 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

So what percentage of graduates elect to stay her rather then return home?
So what percentage of graduates elect to stay her rather then return home? mimseycal
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Mon 3 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Richada wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road.

You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another.

Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty.

Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place.

You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome.

If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre?

No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether.

Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration.
I'm not anti-car in the slightest - I'm a car driver as well as a pedestrian and cyclist so I like to think I can see the issues from a number of viewpoints.
As for a 'convenient, reasonably priced public transport infrastructure' we have one of the best services in the country and I am led to believe that if one gets tickets in advance or a weekly/monthly ticket it is fairly reasonable - if I go into Brighton from Hove a Saver costs £4.20 or whatever it is and that lasts all day around town!
Traders having a tough time is largely down to the recession and internet shopping! I've purchased loads of stuff from John Lewis over the last couple of months - its so easy and I just pick it up from my local waitrose. People make me laugh when they say 'if we go shopping we now go to A, B or C' - as I've said before no-one goes food shopping in town so theres no need to take the car in for that and if you want a sofa you do it on the net or get the bus in to choose it at a town centre store, same with smaller items like a coat or whatever there is generally NO need to take the car in unless you are maybe disabled or the odd occassion when you are picking something up to bulky to take on the bus - personally I'd then get a taxi.
But my main point still stands - more and more people are living in B&H with more cars THAT is causing pollution and congestion more than the Greens policies - which themselves will only come to fruition over the medium term rather than straight away.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road. You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another. Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty. Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place. You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome. If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre? No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether. Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration.[/p][/quote]I'm not anti-car in the slightest - I'm a car driver as well as a pedestrian and cyclist so I like to think I can see the issues from a number of viewpoints. As for a 'convenient, reasonably priced public transport infrastructure' we have one of the best services in the country and I am led to believe that if one gets tickets in advance or a weekly/monthly ticket it is fairly reasonable - if I go into Brighton from Hove a Saver costs £4.20 or whatever it is and that lasts all day around town! Traders having a tough time is largely down to the recession and internet shopping! I've purchased loads of stuff from John Lewis over the last couple of months - its so easy and I just pick it up from my local waitrose. People make me laugh when they say 'if we go shopping we now go to A, B or C' - as I've said before no-one goes food shopping in town so theres no need to take the car in for that and if you want a sofa you do it on the net or get the bus in to choose it at a town centre store, same with smaller items like a coat or whatever there is generally NO need to take the car in unless you are maybe disabled or the odd occassion when you are picking something up to bulky to take on the bus - personally I'd then get a taxi. But my main point still stands - more and more people are living in B&H with more cars THAT is causing pollution and congestion more than the Greens policies - which themselves will only come to fruition over the medium term rather than straight away. brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

3:41pm Mon 3 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Wonderful brighton bluenose ... aside from the fact that it totally ignores families with children who cannot be left at home while you wander around looking for a coat or skirt.

But I am still awaiting an answer to my question regarding the percentage of graduates who elect to remain in Brighton after they finalise their studies.
Wonderful brighton bluenose ... aside from the fact that it totally ignores families with children who cannot be left at home while you wander around looking for a coat or skirt. But I am still awaiting an answer to my question regarding the percentage of graduates who elect to remain in Brighton after they finalise their studies. mimseycal
  • Score: 4

4:00pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Richada says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with?

Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement.

Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off.

Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out.

Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well.

The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.
Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?!
So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!!
Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road.

You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another.

Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty.

Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place.

You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome.

If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre?

No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether.

Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration.
I'm not anti-car in the slightest - I'm a car driver as well as a pedestrian and cyclist so I like to think I can see the issues from a number of viewpoints.
As for a 'convenient, reasonably priced public transport infrastructure' we have one of the best services in the country and I am led to believe that if one gets tickets in advance or a weekly/monthly ticket it is fairly reasonable - if I go into Brighton from Hove a Saver costs £4.20 or whatever it is and that lasts all day around town!
Traders having a tough time is largely down to the recession and internet shopping! I've purchased loads of stuff from John Lewis over the last couple of months - its so easy and I just pick it up from my local waitrose. People make me laugh when they say 'if we go shopping we now go to A, B or C' - as I've said before no-one goes food shopping in town so theres no need to take the car in for that and if you want a sofa you do it on the net or get the bus in to choose it at a town centre store, same with smaller items like a coat or whatever there is generally NO need to take the car in unless you are maybe disabled or the odd occassion when you are picking something up to bulky to take on the bus - personally I'd then get a taxi.
But my main point still stands - more and more people are living in B&H with more cars THAT is causing pollution and congestion more than the Greens policies - which themselves will only come to fruition over the medium term rather than straight away.
Forgive me, but is not Waitrose in the city centre? It is a food shop and it is usually very busy when we visit, plenty of people go food shopping there.

Like you we too collect JL orders from Waitrose, we shop there too on a regular basis, which also gives other shops in Western Road our trade.

Since suffering the Seven Dials village fiasco, we're now counting the days until the new Waitrose opens next to the the Dog Stadium in Hove. Once open, as far as we are concerned, that will be mission accomplished on the part of the Greens - i.e. we will no longer be Brighton shoppers at all!

All of this wouldn't be so bad if traffic management were the ONLY issue that Mr Kitcat and his colleagues so very unpopular over. Everyone you speak to in this city has a beef with them, from the (to some) "trivial" filling in of bowling greens with wild flowers, to the extravagant; backing a huge loan for the i360 which private enterprize has turned away from, to the, almost, universal bin and recycling chaos and scandal. Scandallous that under a Labour administration, recycling rates were far better than under a Green one, at the core of which surely, by anyones judgement MUST be the issue of recycling!

However it is spun, this disorganised Green administration (it can't even keep itself together without paying for mediators to keep it pulling in the same direction) and its experiment has failed. Failed politically, failed ecologically, failed economically, but worst of all, it has failed those who originally voted for it.

It is not a referendum on a 4.75% council tax increase that is required now, but a full referendum, i.e. a local council election - if Mr Kitcat is so keen to let the people vote on their future, maybe all councillors should stand down and force a local election now.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: However they come - even if by swimming the Channel, what are they met with? Streets choked with traffic and fumes due to deliberate traffic mismanagement. Constant disruption due to roadworks (creating the traffic mismanagement schemes) that leave the roads themselves in an ever worse state of repair - this is dangerous for all, not just the motorist who you are hell bent on killing off. Rubbish overflowing from both recycling bins and wheely bins because the council is incapable, or unwilling to sort it out. Those daring to come here using their own transport face a whole raft of other - all too well documented - problems as well. The current administration will not be satisfied until not only all the inbred moanerati leave the city for good, but also nobody else comes here to pollute our deserted, "Green" utopia. Sadly, the students and travellers that you do so much to encourage are not going to finance this green utopia for you, neither indeed are they going to take their mess with them when they go.[/p][/quote]Richard you speak as if before the Greens we did live in some sort of utopia with free-flowing traffic and happy smiling faces everywhere! Perhaps you dont remember that it was a previous Labour (Tory?) administration that put the bus lane in along the A259 from Saltdean, perhaps you've never seen the traffic queuing back to Pyecombe and further on the A23 on a nice summers day (before the bus lane was put in, perhaps you haven't considered the fact that more and more people are coming to live in B&H and its environs with thousands more dwellings mooted (if they ever get built!) and more and more families have 2 or 3 or more cars?! So what do we do with all these additional peoole and cars that this city was never built for Richard? Do we just ket them all pour in as they wish, clogging the streets and causing pollution ? Or do we offer alternative means of transport and, yes, discourage the use of cars in the city centre? I think, deep down, you know the answer!![/p][/quote]Having lived here (Patcham & Westdene) for 51 years I am well aware of the queues of traffic, not only on fine days - but now on ANY days thanks, partly, to the mismanagement systems further into the town, but also, heading North at the Patcham roundabout where a previously two lane road has been reduced to one - thanks to allowing parking too close to the roundabout on this major trunk road. You get to the nub of our traffic problems though by mentioning the South Coast Road i.e. Brighton is only accessable from three compass points, this exacerbates the problems caused by reducing former two lane arteries to one - Lewes Road being the worst example, but the Patcham roundabout (heading North) being another. Your utopia vision sees a city free of the filthy, congestion making car, the reality is that you make the situation ever worse. You try to put the cat back into the bag by making the bag smaller and ever smaller. Eventuially the cat just gets fed up and goes in search of an easier bag, leaving its original bag empty. Businesses have had a really tough time over the last few years and you can blame whatever "outside factors" you like for that, but, in discouraging visitors and locals alike from the centre of the town (well above inflation bus fare hikes for e.g) you will kill of commerce in the town - thus accellerating the very revenue problem that started all this in the first place. You may have noticed (probably not) that I am not one complaining about the cost of parking here, as a local, we find other ways of getting into the city if we have to, or, on occasion, know where to park at a reasonable cost. However,, more often than not, if shopping we go to Bugress Hill, Crawley or Horsham all of which make the majority of shoppers, no matter how they arrive, feel more welcome. If a convenient, reasonably priced public transport infastructure serving all parts of the city was in place, then the majority of locals would leave their car at home - but for visitors from further afield, even this this isn't an option currently. Park and Ride used to work very well from Withdean Stadium (from the Lewes Road too probably) but this was stopped and nothing put in its place. On match days Mill Road is closed off and used as a park and ride for the AMEX, is there no possibility of looking at this as an alternative for visitors to the city centre? No, I guess not, because you're so anti-car in general that you can see no further than bullying motorists off the roads altogether. Brighton used to be a victim of its own success but now it has become a victim of the country's first Green administration.[/p][/quote]I'm not anti-car in the slightest - I'm a car driver as well as a pedestrian and cyclist so I like to think I can see the issues from a number of viewpoints. As for a 'convenient, reasonably priced public transport infrastructure' we have one of the best services in the country and I am led to believe that if one gets tickets in advance or a weekly/monthly ticket it is fairly reasonable - if I go into Brighton from Hove a Saver costs £4.20 or whatever it is and that lasts all day around town! Traders having a tough time is largely down to the recession and internet shopping! I've purchased loads of stuff from John Lewis over the last couple of months - its so easy and I just pick it up from my local waitrose. People make me laugh when they say 'if we go shopping we now go to A, B or C' - as I've said before no-one goes food shopping in town so theres no need to take the car in for that and if you want a sofa you do it on the net or get the bus in to choose it at a town centre store, same with smaller items like a coat or whatever there is generally NO need to take the car in unless you are maybe disabled or the odd occassion when you are picking something up to bulky to take on the bus - personally I'd then get a taxi. But my main point still stands - more and more people are living in B&H with more cars THAT is causing pollution and congestion more than the Greens policies - which themselves will only come to fruition over the medium term rather than straight away.[/p][/quote]Forgive me, but is not Waitrose in the city centre? It is a food shop and it is usually very busy when we visit, plenty of people go food shopping there. Like you we too collect JL orders from Waitrose, we shop there too on a regular basis, which also gives other shops in Western Road our trade. Since suffering the Seven Dials village fiasco, we're now counting the days until the new Waitrose opens next to the the Dog Stadium in Hove. Once open, as far as we are concerned, that will be mission accomplished on the part of the Greens - i.e. we will no longer be Brighton shoppers at all! All of this wouldn't be so bad if traffic management were the ONLY issue that Mr Kitcat and his colleagues so very unpopular over. Everyone you speak to in this city has a beef with them, from the (to some) "trivial" filling in of bowling greens with wild flowers, to the extravagant; backing a huge loan for the i360 which private enterprize has turned away from, to the, almost, universal bin and recycling chaos and scandal. Scandallous that under a Labour administration, recycling rates were far better than under a Green one, at the core of which surely, by anyones judgement MUST be the issue of recycling! However it is spun, this disorganised Green administration (it can't even keep itself together without paying for mediators to keep it pulling in the same direction) and its experiment has failed. Failed politically, failed ecologically, failed economically, but worst of all, it has failed those who originally voted for it. It is not a referendum on a 4.75% council tax increase that is required now, but a full referendum, i.e. a local council election - if Mr Kitcat is so keen to let the people vote on their future, maybe all councillors should stand down and force a local election now. Richada
  • Score: 8

4:52pm Mon 3 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
As ever which alternative party is proposing to do all this ffs?! You seem to think that the Tory/Labour status quo will bring SO MANY additional benefits to our city - it is almost hilarious! !!
But the greens were given a great chance to do things that mattered and show that there is an alternative. This is what people wanted and instead we have been given "anti" policies, especially anti car (which also means anti-job, anti tourist, anti revenue). Terrible management (rubbish/recycling especially but also trees and fish!), more pollution, and an ineffective 20mph scheme.

So much unpopularity for the greens, where many Brighton people wanted change and progress. The chance has been squandered - and has shown that while the main parties are all poor they could all do a better job than the greens.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]As ever which alternative party is proposing to do all this ffs?! You seem to think that the Tory/Labour status quo will bring SO MANY additional benefits to our city - it is almost hilarious! !![/p][/quote]But the greens were given a great chance to do things that mattered and show that there is an alternative. This is what people wanted and instead we have been given "anti" policies, especially anti car (which also means anti-job, anti tourist, anti revenue). Terrible management (rubbish/recycling especially but also trees and fish!), more pollution, and an ineffective 20mph scheme. So much unpopularity for the greens, where many Brighton people wanted change and progress. The chance has been squandered - and has shown that while the main parties are all poor they could all do a better job than the greens. NickBtn
  • Score: 8

6:38pm Mon 3 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

HJarrs wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do!

So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything.

As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people.
HJarrs - you've confused me with Nickbrt again! Similar usernames, different people!

The car parks and tourist area parking are far from always being full. Especially in the evenings and off season months. More tourist and local revenue could be gained from more clever tariffs. I eat out less in town than I used to due to the costs of parking or £4.40 to use the bus (on the latter, why not have an evening off peak cheap return on the buses? Bus prices are so high that for 2 or more a taxi is cheaper - that's wrong!)

Park and ride could be commercially run. The bus company already part pays for bus lane improvements, why not invest in a continual stream from commuters (who would use 52 weeks a year) and tourists (for more than 12 weeks, how about Christmas shoppers). It might not be easy - but with £15m excess from parking fines etc, revenue from grants, bus companies etc, park and ride could happen. It would be supported by many and lead to less pollution in town. Instead the green mantra is no - as it involves cars. It would help use cars in town less, so a pragmatic "green" help rather than dogmatic anti-car "no"

As for visitors by train - I talked about this in my original post. And bus. But asking for more attractive ways to help visitors and locals choose public transport. That should include ticket incentives and offers. That could happen now, not waiting till 2018!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do! So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything. As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people.[/p][/quote]HJarrs - you've confused me with Nickbrt again! Similar usernames, different people! The car parks and tourist area parking are far from always being full. Especially in the evenings and off season months. More tourist and local revenue could be gained from more clever tariffs. I eat out less in town than I used to due to the costs of parking or £4.40 to use the bus (on the latter, why not have an evening off peak cheap return on the buses? Bus prices are so high that for 2 or more a taxi is cheaper - that's wrong!) Park and ride could be commercially run. The bus company already part pays for bus lane improvements, why not invest in a continual stream from commuters (who would use 52 weeks a year) and tourists (for more than 12 weeks, how about Christmas shoppers). It might not be easy - but with £15m excess from parking fines etc, revenue from grants, bus companies etc, park and ride could happen. It would be supported by many and lead to less pollution in town. Instead the green mantra is no - as it involves cars. It would help use cars in town less, so a pragmatic "green" help rather than dogmatic anti-car "no" As for visitors by train - I talked about this in my original post. And bus. But asking for more attractive ways to help visitors and locals choose public transport. That should include ticket incentives and offers. That could happen now, not waiting till 2018! NickBtn
  • Score: 7

7:25pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration
" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost.

It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted.

If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost. It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted. If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 9

9:06pm Mon 3 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration

" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost.

It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted.

If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.
HJ says we Greens are on our way out
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost. It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted. If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.[/p][/quote]HJ says we Greens are on our way out I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 8

9:44am Tue 4 Feb 14

Richada says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration


" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost.

It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted.

If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.
HJ says we Greens are on our way out
HJ says we Greens are on the way out......

We see the door........

......we know that it is there......

......we know how to use it........

BUT WE DENY THAT IT EXISTS!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost. It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted. If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.[/p][/quote]HJ says we Greens are on our way out[/p][/quote]HJ says we Greens are on the way out...... We see the door........ ......we know that it is there...... ......we know how to use it........ BUT WE DENY THAT IT EXISTS! Richada
  • Score: 4

9:52am Tue 4 Feb 14

Richada says...

NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14

"... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..."

Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ...
1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind.
2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control.
3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more).

Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.
Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate.

The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.
There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360....

As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few:
Lower car park charges
Park and ride
Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels)

So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that

As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?
Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do!

So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything.

As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people.
HJarrs - you've confused me with Nickbrt again! Similar usernames, different people!

The car parks and tourist area parking are far from always being full. Especially in the evenings and off season months. More tourist and local revenue could be gained from more clever tariffs. I eat out less in town than I used to due to the costs of parking or £4.40 to use the bus (on the latter, why not have an evening off peak cheap return on the buses? Bus prices are so high that for 2 or more a taxi is cheaper - that's wrong!)

Park and ride could be commercially run. The bus company already part pays for bus lane improvements, why not invest in a continual stream from commuters (who would use 52 weeks a year) and tourists (for more than 12 weeks, how about Christmas shoppers). It might not be easy - but with £15m excess from parking fines etc, revenue from grants, bus companies etc, park and ride could happen. It would be supported by many and lead to less pollution in town. Instead the green mantra is no - as it involves cars. It would help use cars in town less, so a pragmatic "green" help rather than dogmatic anti-car "no"

As for visitors by train - I talked about this in my original post. And bus. But asking for more attractive ways to help visitors and locals choose public transport. That should include ticket incentives and offers. That could happen now, not waiting till 2018!
Now you're just being silly!

A properly run park and ride would just attract MORE visitors in their (I can hardly dare say the word) CARS to come here and spend money and make the city more succcessful - the Greens don't want that, they can't cope with running the city now, God help them if we had more visitors.

If the city were more successful there might even, God forbid, become an economically workable case for the i360 - private enterprise would step in and fund it, the council would loose their golden egg.

Oh no, park and ride must be well and truly buried. The economic benefits are far too great. Without the traffic jams and parking issues, the Green Council would have little further reason for being in existence here.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ brighton bluenose 9:49am Sun 2 Feb 14 "... I'm sure their time in power has not been helped by savage budget cuts imposed by central government ..." Ah yes, the eternal call of the failing politician ... 1. We are struggling to deal with the mess the previous party has left behind. 2. We are forced into decisions because of external pressures outside of our control. 3. It is a) the EU b) central government c) acts of god/the weather ... (take your pick from a) b) or c) or combine two or more). Like it or not, we all have had to juggle with pressures outside of our control. We are having to learn to cut our coats according to our cloth and redefine our priorities. Vanity projects should be the first to be given the heave ho if you cannot sort out the basics! I certainly wouldn't be looking to have my garden landscaped if I had trouble putting food on the table.[/p][/quote]Ah vanity projects! Finally, spending some money on our woeful cycle infrastructure is apparently a vanity project. Funny, I have been paying a proportion of my council tax for years mainly for the benefit of car drivers and as soon as a tiny proportion (bringing in millions in additional grants and creating jobs) is spent of encouraging safe and healthy cycling for the thousands that cycle, it is a vanity project! How ridiculous. As for the i360, I think there is risked involved for the council, however it is there to earn profit for the city, again how is that a vanity project? Moreover, if the i360 does not go ahead then what? As a tourist destination we need to be providing a reason to visit. The i360 ticks the box and there is no other game in town. All these projects are largely irrelevant to the budget cuts, if you cancelled them all it would save barely any money yet deny the city tens of millions for improvements. We cannot afford for the city to stagnate. The city will have lost a combined total of well over £100 million by 2015, it has avoided the deepest cuts, but no longer. Only the other week you were calling for radical action, now you have got it you are blowing cold.[/p][/quote]There is no other game in town apart from the i360. Really? What does the i360 aim to provide - a high view of the city and sea. Isn't that what the wheel already does? And it's not too popular. The i360 has massive assumptions around visitor numbers and the private sector have walked away from it. If it is such a sure way of making money why have private investors done that? The council will be left with the pieces of i360.... As for ways to attract tourists - here are a few: Lower car park charges Park and ride Subsidise public transport (train/bus) travel if the tourists then spend in town (eg. link with meals/hotels) So make it easier to visit and spend money here. Brighton now has an international reputation for high, anti-visitor, car parking charges. We need something radical to reverse that As for attractions - how about the money that Volks railway needs? That really is a unique draw. Perhaps link through to the marina - could even provide some parking/visitor attraction with some imagination?[/p][/quote]Since when has reduced parking fees been a tourist attraction? Do you go and sit for a few hours in Tescos car park for a day out because it free? Maybe you do! So your idea is that we throw out the i360, which has a business case to raise money for the city with no impact on council tax and will draw in extra visitors and revenue to that part of town, and instead you want to reduce parking charges despite the car parks and seafront being full anyway at peak times, thereby reducing revenue for transport projects, then in complete contradiction you want to keep the same people out of the city by building a massively expensive park and ride (used for maybe 12 weeks a year in the summer at best, if that?) then spend even more money on subsidising public transport. To top it, spend millions on the Volks that needs subsidy to run now! NickBrt get real, the council is facing £26 million of cuts this year, next year and the year after at a minimum. Your suggestions would COST £26 million a year! You like many others, live in a dream world while critising the Greens for sensible and costed proposals that cost the council tax payer little if anything. As for anti-visitor, you and others are blinkered by some strange belief that everyone comes by car. Brighton and Hove are already full! What we should be planning on is capitalising on the Thameslink rail improvements for 2018 that will see more frequent trains going all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. Now that really will make Brighton more attractive for millions of people.[/p][/quote]HJarrs - you've confused me with Nickbrt again! Similar usernames, different people! The car parks and tourist area parking are far from always being full. Especially in the evenings and off season months. More tourist and local revenue could be gained from more clever tariffs. I eat out less in town than I used to due to the costs of parking or £4.40 to use the bus (on the latter, why not have an evening off peak cheap return on the buses? Bus prices are so high that for 2 or more a taxi is cheaper - that's wrong!) Park and ride could be commercially run. The bus company already part pays for bus lane improvements, why not invest in a continual stream from commuters (who would use 52 weeks a year) and tourists (for more than 12 weeks, how about Christmas shoppers). It might not be easy - but with £15m excess from parking fines etc, revenue from grants, bus companies etc, park and ride could happen. It would be supported by many and lead to less pollution in town. Instead the green mantra is no - as it involves cars. It would help use cars in town less, so a pragmatic "green" help rather than dogmatic anti-car "no" As for visitors by train - I talked about this in my original post. And bus. But asking for more attractive ways to help visitors and locals choose public transport. That should include ticket incentives and offers. That could happen now, not waiting till 2018![/p][/quote]Now you're just being silly! A properly run park and ride would just attract MORE visitors in their (I can hardly dare say the word) CARS to come here and spend money and make the city more succcessful - the Greens don't want that, they can't cope with running the city now, God help them if we had more visitors. If the city were more successful there might even, God forbid, become an economically workable case for the i360 - private enterprise would step in and fund it, the council would loose their golden egg. Oh no, park and ride must be well and truly buried. The economic benefits are far too great. Without the traffic jams and parking issues, the Green Council would have little further reason for being in existence here. Richada
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Tue 4 Feb 14

kemptown mum says...

Ohnotagain ! wrote:
Mary Mear's say's

"The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat,

It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's.

Go Please GO NOW...
Our local primary school is doing really well under the Green council - perhaps you should head up to St Luke's for some extra English lessons - I'm sure one of the children could teach you how to use an apostrophe and to spell Mr. Kitcat's name correctly .
[quote][p][bold]Ohnotagain ![/bold] wrote: Mary Mear's say's "The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.” Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat, It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's. Go Please GO NOW...[/p][/quote]Our local primary school is doing really well under the Green council - perhaps you should head up to St Luke's for some extra English lessons - I'm sure one of the children could teach you how to use an apostrophe and to spell Mr. Kitcat's name correctly . kemptown mum
  • Score: -4

1:45pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Warren Morgan says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster

Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.
It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration

" voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren!
So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost.

It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted.

If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.
No, Christina Summers was never going to be "installed as a puppet leader", that was just a silly rumour started by Ben Duncan, and we did have a clear plan for a cross party caretaker administration, not that either of the other parties were willing to consider it.

So bring on the elections in 450 days time.
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: A vote of no confidence should lead to resignation. That's the convention and is followed by other councils (google to see other councillors around the country following convention) and in Westminster Mr KitKat is wrong to stay. Whatever you think of his politics a vote has been held which says that the majority (by quite a way) have no confidence in him. Morally and democratically he should go.[/p][/quote]It's not democratic at all. The two opposition parties have ganged up to get this through. They have failed to properly explain what they would have done had Kitcat resigned (if they even knew). Rumour has it they were going to make Christina Summers some sort of puppet Leader. Like I said a vote of no-confidence in Parliament leads to a general election. That was clearly not going to happen in this case - instead, some cobbled-together "administration " voted for by no-one was going to be foisted upon us for the next 18 months. On yer bike Warren![/p][/quote]So Green Andy R explain what's not democratic about telling a prat he is a prat and everyone thinks he's a prat. It was done through a properly democratic process, one councillor one vote, and he lost. It's pretty clear Greens are not wanted by the public at large now and since we can only democratically remove this lot of idiots, who have not acted at all democratically since taking office, in an election I really don't see the problem in at least telling them they are not wanted. If they had an ounce of honour they would take the hint and sod off.[/p][/quote]No, Christina Summers was never going to be "installed as a puppet leader", that was just a silly rumour started by Ben Duncan, and we did have a clear plan for a cross party caretaker administration, not that either of the other parties were willing to consider it. So bring on the elections in 450 days time. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Lunnon says...

I am sick and tired of these Green bigots. They will not listen to anybody else and they are led by an idiot who is quite simply wet behind the ears and hasn't got much between them either.

Brighton is going down the tubes rapidly, millions have been wasted on hair brained schemes and now the so called City is virtually bankrupt.

Like many others, I have moved all my businesses out of Brighton as it became impossible to afford to operate and I wish anybody remaining well, as the Town is a shadow of its former self.

I would advise people to join the 'Break The Kitcat, campaign so that we might restore some normality and common sense.

Listen to the public, acknowledge democracy and get out, Kitcat.
I am sick and tired of these Green bigots. They will not listen to anybody else and they are led by an idiot who is quite simply wet behind the ears and hasn't got much between them either. Brighton is going down the tubes rapidly, millions have been wasted on hair brained schemes and now the so called City is virtually bankrupt. Like many others, I have moved all my businesses out of Brighton as it became impossible to afford to operate and I wish anybody remaining well, as the Town is a shadow of its former self. I would advise people to join the 'Break The Kitcat, campaign so that we might restore some normality and common sense. Listen to the public, acknowledge democracy and get out, Kitcat. Lunnon
  • Score: 10

5:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Robertostarlight says...

kemptown mum wrote:
Ohnotagain ! wrote:
Mary Mear's say's

"The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.”

Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat,

It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's.

Go Please GO NOW...
Our local primary school is doing really well under the Green council - perhaps you should head up to St Luke's for some extra English lessons - I'm sure one of the children could teach you how to use an apostrophe and to spell Mr. Kitcat's name correctly .
For the record this school was rated as 'Outstanding' in November 2010 by Ofsted, (i.e. long before the May 2011 elections), and although that rating was happily confirmed by last year's inspection, I feel it a little surprising that someone so obviously well educated as yourself could possibly attribute the welcome, continuing success of this school to the Green administration alone. The credit, would I suggest, (and the remarks of the Inspectors confirm this strongly), rest solely with the obviously dedicated and talented staff and head, rather than politicians of any particular persuasion.

We ordinary folk are by now used to the Green Party claiming retrospective credit for things that they had nothing to do with at the time, but I feel that this is just a little too much!

How fortunate that you are sending your children to this 'outstanding' school as the other state/faith schools in your apparent catchment area, (i.e. 'kemptownmum'), do not share that high status of course and some, even under the current regime, have managed to go backwards slightly, or not improved, (see Ofsted Results). Not 'doing very well' actually it seems.

Please correct my grammar if you feel that it is necessary and helpful.
[quote][p][bold]kemptown mum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ohnotagain ![/bold] wrote: Mary Mear's say's "The city is not happy. People are saying this council has come off the rails and something needs to be done about it.” Listen to the people of this City Mr KitKat, It's time to go before you make this City a laughing stock of the whole Country with your party's idiotic, unwelcome and unpopular idea's. Go Please GO NOW...[/p][/quote]Our local primary school is doing really well under the Green council - perhaps you should head up to St Luke's for some extra English lessons - I'm sure one of the children could teach you how to use an apostrophe and to spell Mr. Kitcat's name correctly .[/p][/quote]For the record this school was rated as 'Outstanding' in November 2010 by Ofsted, (i.e. long before the May 2011 elections), and although that rating was happily confirmed by last year's inspection, I feel it a little surprising that someone so obviously well educated as yourself could possibly attribute the welcome, continuing success of this school to the Green administration alone. The credit, would I suggest, (and the remarks of the Inspectors confirm this strongly), rest solely with the obviously dedicated and talented staff and head, rather than politicians of any particular persuasion. We ordinary folk are by now used to the Green Party claiming retrospective credit for things that they had nothing to do with at the time, but I feel that this is just a little too much! How fortunate that you are sending your children to this 'outstanding' school as the other state/faith schools in your apparent catchment area, (i.e. 'kemptownmum'), do not share that high status of course and some, even under the current regime, have managed to go backwards slightly, or not improved, (see Ofsted Results). Not 'doing very well' actually it seems. Please correct my grammar if you feel that it is necessary and helpful. Robertostarlight
  • Score: 5

4:22pm Wed 5 Feb 14

westpiergone says...

Can somebody please push kitty-craps pram down Southover street when they see him out in it !
Can somebody please push kitty-craps pram down Southover street when they see him out in it ! westpiergone
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Alas it appears that Jason Kitkat is under a delusion of adequacy.
Alas it appears that Jason Kitkat is under a delusion of adequacy. mimseycal
  • Score: 3

8:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

I probably shouldn't be posting now the thread has been lost to the Greens HJ doesn't approve and is keen that we move on.
I probably shouldn't be posting now the thread has been lost to the Greens HJ doesn't approve and is keen that we move on. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 2

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