Talking point: Should there be a speed limit in Southwick Tunnel?

The Argus: Talking point: Should there be a speed limit in Southwick Tunnel? Talking point: Should there be a speed limit in Southwick Tunnel?

A motoring expert has said speed limits should be introduced to the Southwick Tunnel to prevent further accidents.

It comes as MP Tim Loughton seeks a meeting with the Highways Agency about the stretch of the A27 he described as a "safety risk".

But do you think a speed limit would solve the problem?

Or is it simply driver error?

What else can be done to improve the safety of the tunnel?

Have your say below.


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10:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

Ridiculous this is a dual carriageway! There are no safety problems here just driver error!
Ridiculous this is a dual carriageway! There are no safety problems here just driver error! falmer seagull

10:10am Fri 31 Jan 14

falmer seagull says...

Perhaps a sign that says 'If you cannot drive safely through the tunnel, don't use it! Nanny state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps a sign that says 'If you cannot drive safely through the tunnel, don't use it! Nanny state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! falmer seagull

10:26am Fri 31 Jan 14

biker brighton says...

still cant find see the problem in the tunnel every day i go thought there in top heavy 4x4 at 70 depending weather traffic never had accedent there in over 10 years i been using it daly . and apart from phones been used even seen people on laptops driving its shocking what drivers do when driving can see all sorts higher up
still cant find see the problem in the tunnel every day i go thought there in top heavy 4x4 at 70 depending weather traffic never had accedent there in over 10 years i been using it daly . and apart from phones been used even seen people on laptops driving its shocking what drivers do when driving can see all sorts higher up biker brighton

10:28am Fri 31 Jan 14

Daz121rie says...

I think its more to do with driver error, however maybe reduce the speed to 50 mph and solid white lines and stay in lane markings before and throughout the tunnel
I think its more to do with driver error, however maybe reduce the speed to 50 mph and solid white lines and stay in lane markings before and throughout the tunnel Daz121rie

10:35am Fri 31 Jan 14

ICantThinkOfAName says...

Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing.
Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing. ICantThinkOfAName

10:36am Fri 31 Jan 14

Dee248 says...

The A27 is already bad enough without adding more restrictions. I travel on this road every day and hate every second of it! Driver error is the main issue as people really don't know how to drive on a 2 or 3 lane road. They seem to think the outside lane is a driving lane when it should only be a overtaking lane.
The A27 is already bad enough without adding more restrictions. I travel on this road every day and hate every second of it! Driver error is the main issue as people really don't know how to drive on a 2 or 3 lane road. They seem to think the outside lane is a driving lane when it should only be a overtaking lane. Dee248

10:40am Fri 31 Jan 14

Brian62 says...

I'm sorry but incredibly bad reporting here......

There is a speed limit already on this road,it doesnt stop because you enter the tunnel.
Story should be ,should speed limit be reduced in the tunnel.
I'm sorry but incredibly bad reporting here...... There is a speed limit already on this road,it doesnt stop because you enter the tunnel. Story should be ,should speed limit be reduced in the tunnel. Brian62

10:42am Fri 31 Jan 14

Jay1000 says...

There is a speed limit....it's 70mph! If you can't follow your own bit of tarmac, with it's white lines and cats eyes, then you shouldn't be driving a car!!

If need be, put up CCTV cameras to monitor the traffic, better lighting on the run up to the tunnels and some barriers to block off the view to the opposite carriageways (for the benefit of those drivers who can't handle corners and fixate on the tunnel exits on the other side of the road despite the fact that there's a crash barrier in the way). When i say barriers, I don't mean 'sharp bend' fluorescent warning arrows (like they've done on the eastbound carriageway prior to the tunnel...which now cause people to ignore what they're seeing with their own eyes and instead panic brake on a relatively gentle bend).

In the meantime, can we please have a list of all crashes that have occurred in this area in the last year, with the reason, given to police, why the driver lost control? You can bet your bottom dollar that 9 out of 10 accidents were as a result of driver error (phone rang/text message/fiddling with radio/CD/iPod/air conditioning etc. etc. etc.) and nothing to do with the road or the tunnel.

As I've said before...I've driven that road every day for the last 4 years, in rain/wind/fog/snow/s
unshine/darkness etc., and have managed to avoid crashing, as have many thousands of other drivers. Clearly the road isn't at fault here. Stop penalising the masses because of a few idiots who should never have been given a driving licence.

THE ROAD ISN'T THE PROBLEM, THE DRIVERS ARE!
There is a speed limit....it's 70mph! If you can't follow your own bit of tarmac, with it's white lines and cats eyes, then you shouldn't be driving a car!! If need be, put up CCTV cameras to monitor the traffic, better lighting on the run up to the tunnels and some barriers to block off the view to the opposite carriageways (for the benefit of those drivers who can't handle corners and fixate on the tunnel exits on the other side of the road despite the fact that there's a crash barrier in the way). When i say barriers, I don't mean 'sharp bend' fluorescent warning arrows (like they've done on the eastbound carriageway prior to the tunnel...which now cause people to ignore what they're seeing with their own eyes and instead panic brake on a relatively gentle bend). In the meantime, can we please have a list of all crashes that have occurred in this area in the last year, with the reason, given to police, why the driver lost control? You can bet your bottom dollar that 9 out of 10 accidents were as a result of driver error (phone rang/text message/fiddling with radio/CD/iPod/air conditioning etc. etc. etc.) and nothing to do with the road or the tunnel. As I've said before...I've driven that road every day for the last 4 years, in rain/wind/fog/snow/s unshine/darkness etc., and have managed to avoid crashing, as have many thousands of other drivers. Clearly the road isn't at fault here. Stop penalising the masses because of a few idiots who should never have been given a driving licence. THE ROAD ISN'T THE PROBLEM, THE DRIVERS ARE! Jay1000

10:50am Fri 31 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

There's already a speed limit, it's not the Autobahn.

If you're asking for suggestions of a new safer speed limit for the tunnel, how about 20mph?
There's already a speed limit, it's not the Autobahn. If you're asking for suggestions of a new safer speed limit for the tunnel, how about 20mph? Gribbet

10:54am Fri 31 Jan 14

john5001 says...

I think the biggest problem is water on the road . it crosses the road both sides of the tunnel
I think the biggest problem is water on the road . it crosses the road both sides of the tunnel john5001

10:54am Fri 31 Jan 14

kopite_rob says...

Follow the European approach.
Double white lines, put your running lights on and slow down.
The camber and line of sight from both directions could be accentuated by painting chevrons on the road on the approach.
All very cheap solutions.
Follow the European approach. Double white lines, put your running lights on and slow down. The camber and line of sight from both directions could be accentuated by painting chevrons on the road on the approach. All very cheap solutions. kopite_rob

11:09am Fri 31 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

john5001 wrote:
I think the biggest problem is water on the road . it crosses the road both sides of the tunnel
The only problem is dim aggressive drivers, who think it's fine to bomb along with the foot hard on the gas, no matter the conditions, gentle curve of the road, dampness, and so on. Then get caught out. More traffic police about would rapidly bring these prats to book.
[quote][p][bold]john5001[/bold] wrote: I think the biggest problem is water on the road . it crosses the road both sides of the tunnel[/p][/quote]The only problem is dim aggressive drivers, who think it's fine to bomb along with the foot hard on the gas, no matter the conditions, gentle curve of the road, dampness, and so on. Then get caught out. More traffic police about would rapidly bring these prats to book. Withdean-er

11:11am Fri 31 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

I have used Southwick, Dartford, Liverpool, Wallasey, Brynglas & Tyne tunnels over the years without the slightest problem, with speed limits or without.
Why should drivers in West Sussex be any different?
No extra speed limits or multi-coloured road paints, please!
I have used Southwick, Dartford, Liverpool, Wallasey, Brynglas & Tyne tunnels over the years without the slightest problem, with speed limits or without. Why should drivers in West Sussex be any different? No extra speed limits or multi-coloured road paints, please! Tailgaters Anonymous

11:35am Fri 31 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

falmer seagull wrote:
Ridiculous this is a dual carriageway! There are no safety problems here just driver error!
Which is why we have speed limits, if we were al perfect drivers we wouldn't need them
[quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous this is a dual carriageway! There are no safety problems here just driver error![/p][/quote]Which is why we have speed limits, if we were al perfect drivers we wouldn't need them gheese77

11:48am Fri 31 Jan 14

whatone says...

ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing.
Well said.

A reduced limit should extend in both directions as far west as the sussex pad lights and east to beyond the A23 intersections.

The road is too badly designed in these areas for national speed limits, but trying to reduce the limit merely for the tunnel would create more problems before the entrance bores.

As for the accidents in the tunnel itself, it seems there are a large number of cars 'flipping'. Could this be to do with the curbs associated with the footways, and should they not be 'illuminated' better, or have a physical barrier put in place?
[quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing.[/p][/quote]Well said. A reduced limit should extend in both directions as far west as the sussex pad lights and east to beyond the A23 intersections. The road is too badly designed in these areas for national speed limits, but trying to reduce the limit merely for the tunnel would create more problems before the entrance bores. As for the accidents in the tunnel itself, it seems there are a large number of cars 'flipping'. Could this be to do with the curbs associated with the footways, and should they not be 'illuminated' better, or have a physical barrier put in place? whatone

11:50am Fri 31 Jan 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

Jay1000 wrote:
There is a speed limit....it's 70mph! If you can't follow your own bit of tarmac, with it's white lines and cats eyes, then you shouldn't be driving a car!!

If need be, put up CCTV cameras to monitor the traffic, better lighting on the run up to the tunnels and some barriers to block off the view to the opposite carriageways (for the benefit of those drivers who can't handle corners and fixate on the tunnel exits on the other side of the road despite the fact that there's a crash barrier in the way). When i say barriers, I don't mean 'sharp bend' fluorescent warning arrows (like they've done on the eastbound carriageway prior to the tunnel...which now cause people to ignore what they're seeing with their own eyes and instead panic brake on a relatively gentle bend).

In the meantime, can we please have a list of all crashes that have occurred in this area in the last year, with the reason, given to police, why the driver lost control? You can bet your bottom dollar that 9 out of 10 accidents were as a result of driver error (phone rang/text message/fiddling with radio/CD/iPod/air conditioning etc. etc. etc.) and nothing to do with the road or the tunnel.

As I've said before...I've driven that road every day for the last 4 years, in rain/wind/fog/snow/s

unshine/darkness etc., and have managed to avoid crashing, as have many thousands of other drivers. Clearly the road isn't at fault here. Stop penalising the masses because of a few idiots who should never have been given a driving licence.

THE ROAD ISN'T THE PROBLEM, THE DRIVERS ARE!
The local MP is now involved so I do think the end result will be a lower speed limit. It'll be the most cost effective proposed solution.
I drive through a lot of tunnels on the mainland but can think of none that have such a high speed limit.
The usual is 90kph (56mph) and many are lower at 80kph. It is always obligatory to use headlights (mentally prepares the driver for the tunnel perhaps?) many have at least as steep approaches as the westbound tunnel in question.
The police made a detailed study and a diagram of the many collisions in the vicinity of but mostly on the westbound approach to the tunnel. These may be found under the 'Speed on the bypass' thread on www.shorehambysea.co
m
[quote][p][bold]Jay1000[/bold] wrote: There is a speed limit....it's 70mph! If you can't follow your own bit of tarmac, with it's white lines and cats eyes, then you shouldn't be driving a car!! If need be, put up CCTV cameras to monitor the traffic, better lighting on the run up to the tunnels and some barriers to block off the view to the opposite carriageways (for the benefit of those drivers who can't handle corners and fixate on the tunnel exits on the other side of the road despite the fact that there's a crash barrier in the way). When i say barriers, I don't mean 'sharp bend' fluorescent warning arrows (like they've done on the eastbound carriageway prior to the tunnel...which now cause people to ignore what they're seeing with their own eyes and instead panic brake on a relatively gentle bend). In the meantime, can we please have a list of all crashes that have occurred in this area in the last year, with the reason, given to police, why the driver lost control? You can bet your bottom dollar that 9 out of 10 accidents were as a result of driver error (phone rang/text message/fiddling with radio/CD/iPod/air conditioning etc. etc. etc.) and nothing to do with the road or the tunnel. As I've said before...I've driven that road every day for the last 4 years, in rain/wind/fog/snow/s unshine/darkness etc., and have managed to avoid crashing, as have many thousands of other drivers. Clearly the road isn't at fault here. Stop penalising the masses because of a few idiots who should never have been given a driving licence. THE ROAD ISN'T THE PROBLEM, THE DRIVERS ARE![/p][/quote]The local MP is now involved so I do think the end result will be a lower speed limit. It'll be the most cost effective proposed solution. I drive through a lot of tunnels on the mainland but can think of none that have such a high speed limit. The usual is 90kph (56mph) and many are lower at 80kph. It is always obligatory to use headlights (mentally prepares the driver for the tunnel perhaps?) many have at least as steep approaches as the westbound tunnel in question. The police made a detailed study and a diagram of the many collisions in the vicinity of but mostly on the westbound approach to the tunnel. These may be found under the 'Speed on the bypass' thread on www.shorehambysea.co m Old Ladys Gin

12:01pm Fri 31 Jan 14

sadheart says...

At the moment you are allowed to overtake in the tunnel, if you had to stay in lane maybe that would help.
I heard on a phone in a person said 'my car left the road near the tunnel' cars do not 'leave the road' unless the nut behind the wheel misfunctions.
Sheila Rainbow
At the moment you are allowed to overtake in the tunnel, if you had to stay in lane maybe that would help. I heard on a phone in a person said 'my car left the road near the tunnel' cars do not 'leave the road' unless the nut behind the wheel misfunctions. Sheila Rainbow sadheart

12:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

angrymonkey says...

I think its down to poor drivers and ones that cut others up always in a rush. .70 is ok but maybe some cameras would help and more cops to get people off there mobile phones or use the cameras to get them the number you see driving all over the road texting . The last crash I thought was a silly sod nicked for drink driving that's not the roads fault .
I think its down to poor drivers and ones that cut others up always in a rush. .70 is ok but maybe some cameras would help and more cops to get people off there mobile phones or use the cameras to get them the number you see driving all over the road texting . The last crash I thought was a silly sod nicked for drink driving that's not the roads fault . angrymonkey

12:11pm Fri 31 Jan 14

graham w says...

Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution..
Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution.. graham w

12:11pm Fri 31 Jan 14

graham w says...

Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution..
Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution.. graham w

12:24pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Vox populi 2 says...

graham w wrote:
Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution..
At last a sensible post on the subject..
[quote][p][bold]graham w [/bold] wrote: Its not the tunnel, its the west bound approach to it. The bend approaching tunnels seems to catch people out.. mayby a set of yellow average speed camera s would solve problem set at 60mph...put 600m before tunnel and one at western end to finnish spped limit a cheap and easy solution..[/p][/quote]At last a sensible post on the subject.. Vox populi 2

12:46pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Worthing Al says...

On Wednesday night at the top of Wilson Avenue, a Taxi heading westbound in front of me was heading straight at the traffic light island and swerved at the last minute and narrowly missed it. Was this the Island's or the road's fault? no it was the 'professional' driver's who was obviously distracted by something else inside the cab.
Most crashes are driver error.
On Wednesday night at the top of Wilson Avenue, a Taxi heading westbound in front of me was heading straight at the traffic light island and swerved at the last minute and narrowly missed it. Was this the Island's or the road's fault? no it was the 'professional' driver's who was obviously distracted by something else inside the cab. Most crashes are driver error. Worthing Al

1:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

timfusciardi says...

Has anyone asked UKIP whether this is to be blamed by the same people who caused the flooding?
Has anyone asked UKIP whether this is to be blamed by the same people who caused the flooding? timfusciardi

1:26pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Number Six says...

If the current speed limit is not enforced what's the point of lowering it?

I do agree that a ban on lane changing would help. Last Friday some idiot just pulled out in front of me as I was coming up to overtake. Fortunately, at my age I have an inbuilt moron sensor so I could see it coming. Other may not have
If the current speed limit is not enforced what's the point of lowering it? I do agree that a ban on lane changing would help. Last Friday some idiot just pulled out in front of me as I was coming up to overtake. Fortunately, at my age I have an inbuilt moron sensor so I could see it coming. Other may not have Number Six

2:02pm Fri 31 Jan 14

fredaj says...

None of us (unless someone knows different) have seen any of these accidents happen therefore we do not know what causes them.

And because we do not know what causes them, we cannot say what will help prevent them.

All this is just speculation and people on their own personal hobby-horses.
None of us (unless someone knows different) have seen any of these accidents happen therefore we do not know what causes them. And because we do not know what causes them, we cannot say what will help prevent them. All this is just speculation and people on their own personal hobby-horses. fredaj

3:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

simps46 says...

Most accidents have been on the approaches to the tunnel so what good would a speed limit in the tunnel achieve?? people need to learn to drive simples !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most accidents have been on the approaches to the tunnel so what good would a speed limit in the tunnel achieve?? people need to learn to drive simples !!!!!!!!!!!!! simps46

5:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Withdean-er says...

whatone wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing.
Well said.

A reduced limit should extend in both directions as far west as the sussex pad lights and east to beyond the A23 intersections.

The road is too badly designed in these areas for national speed limits, but trying to reduce the limit merely for the tunnel would create more problems before the entrance bores.

As for the accidents in the tunnel itself, it seems there are a large number of cars 'flipping'. Could this be to do with the curbs associated with the footways, and should they not be 'illuminated' better, or have a physical barrier put in place?
Badly said nonsense.

A tiny minority of poor drivers who shouldn't be on the road are caught out when speeding, or fiddling with the addictive zzzzzzzz mobiles, or simply panic at such 'frightening things' as a gentle curve on a dual carriageway. The 70 mph limit is fine if abided to by drivers with road sense. There hasn't been 18 years of countless catestrophic accidents in the tunnel. Just occasional spates of accidents caused by planks who really shouldn't be on the road.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: Judging by the reports I see in the Argus, most of the accidents seem to happen in the vicinity but outside the tunnel. Any speed limit if thought necessary should start and end well before and after the tunnel combined with a ban on lane changing.[/p][/quote]Well said. A reduced limit should extend in both directions as far west as the sussex pad lights and east to beyond the A23 intersections. The road is too badly designed in these areas for national speed limits, but trying to reduce the limit merely for the tunnel would create more problems before the entrance bores. As for the accidents in the tunnel itself, it seems there are a large number of cars 'flipping'. Could this be to do with the curbs associated with the footways, and should they not be 'illuminated' better, or have a physical barrier put in place?[/p][/quote]Badly said nonsense. A tiny minority of poor drivers who shouldn't be on the road are caught out when speeding, or fiddling with the addictive zzzzzzzz mobiles, or simply panic at such 'frightening things' as a gentle curve on a dual carriageway. The 70 mph limit is fine if abided to by drivers with road sense. There hasn't been 18 years of countless catestrophic accidents in the tunnel. Just occasional spates of accidents caused by planks who really shouldn't be on the road. Withdean-er

11:59pm Fri 31 Jan 14

PaulOckenden says...

I'm sure some 'bend' chevrons in the central carriageway would solve the vast majority of these problems.

WHat's strange is that they've already done this on the bend behind Holmbush (on the other carriageway), yet that spot has far fewer accidents than the westbound approach to the tunnel.

Things like speed cameras will only cause more problems, as people will be busy watching their speedos when they need to be concentrating on the road.
I'm sure some 'bend' chevrons in the central carriageway would solve the vast majority of these problems. WHat's strange is that they've already done this on the bend behind Holmbush (on the other carriageway), yet that spot has far fewer accidents than the westbound approach to the tunnel. Things like speed cameras will only cause more problems, as people will be busy watching their speedos when they need to be concentrating on the road. PaulOckenden

2:38pm Sat 1 Feb 14

bazzel says...

Barrie says,
Are the accidents that happening in both sides of the tunnel or only one side.
The tunnel going north- north west bears to the left as you approach the tunnel then bears to the right bending all the way through the tunnel, also looks as if it is going down hill, are these factors a cause of the accidents.
Are the vehicles in the left hand lane or right hand lane when these accidents happen.
Barrie says, Are the accidents that happening in both sides of the tunnel or only one side. The tunnel going north- north west bears to the left as you approach the tunnel then bears to the right bending all the way through the tunnel, also looks as if it is going down hill, are these factors a cause of the accidents. Are the vehicles in the left hand lane or right hand lane when these accidents happen. bazzel

4:52pm Sat 1 Feb 14

kmhove says...

No overtaking in or for around 500 yards before the tunnel... that should do it. The vast majority of near accidents in main roads seem to be related to overtaking where a car pulls out to overtake, often without signalling and giving drivers approaching from their rear in the outside lanelittle time to adjust. I've seen many cars suddenly pull out to get into the outside lane just as they reach the westbound entrance of the tunnel, presumably thinking they might get held up by something moving more slowly in the inside lane and I'm sure that this, if not the rooot cause of many of these acidents, certainly makes driving through that tunnel dangerous at times or causes someone else to have an accident. The driver who has pulled out, of course, goes on their merry way totally oblivious to what they have done.

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No overtaking in or for around 500 yards before the tunnel... that should do it. The vast majority of near accidents in main roads seem to be related to overtaking where a car pulls out to overtake, often without signalling and giving drivers approaching from their rear in the outside lanelittle time to adjust. I've seen many cars suddenly pull out to get into the outside lane just as they reach the westbound entrance of the tunnel, presumably thinking they might get held up by something moving more slowly in the inside lane and I'm sure that this, if not the rooot cause of many of these acidents, certainly makes driving through that tunnel dangerous at times or causes someone else to have an accident. The driver who has pulled out, of course, goes on their merry way totally oblivious to what they have done. I kmhove

5:15pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Larry the Lamb says...

It's easy reduce speed to 50 and stop the overtaking for half a mile on the tunnel approach. Job done!
It's not like speeding is going to get them anywhere once they reach Downlands business park at Worthing. It will be crawl as far as Arundle some days.
It's easy reduce speed to 50 and stop the overtaking for half a mile on the tunnel approach. Job done! It's not like speeding is going to get them anywhere once they reach Downlands business park at Worthing. It will be crawl as far as Arundle some days. Larry the Lamb

10:47am Mon 3 Feb 14

jimbob46 says...

How come the greens have put a bicycle lane there yet? and also perhaps traffic lights. That would disrupt another perfectly good traffic system. They do, after all, seem to do this everywhere else!
How come the greens have put a bicycle lane there yet? and also perhaps traffic lights. That would disrupt another perfectly good traffic system. They do, after all, seem to do this everywhere else! jimbob46

6:33pm Mon 3 Feb 14

saraman says...

A 50mph limit at least half a mile in either direction prior to the tunnel would do the trick.

Also, it would have no effect on the overall flow of traffic over the length of the A27. In fact it would string the the traffic out and thus reduce any congestion.

The result? We would all be a lot safer. Right, I've got my tin hat on.
A 50mph limit at least half a mile in either direction prior to the tunnel would do the trick. Also, it would have no effect on the overall flow of traffic over the length of the A27. In fact it would string the the traffic out and thus reduce any congestion. The result? We would all be a lot safer. Right, I've got my tin hat on. saraman

5:50am Wed 5 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

I was discussing the accidents in/near the tunnel with someone the other day. Like lots of others commenting above, I really cannot see what part of the road causes drivers a problem. Although there is a bend to the westbound approach, it isn't severe enough to cut visibility down enough for a need to slow from 70mph. No kerbs or barriers stick out anywhere. And one would think the tunnel is far distracting than the scenery either side of the tunnel. Even in the terrible weather over the last few weeks, I haven't noticed any obvious problems with water on the road, the start of the A23 dual carriageway out of Brighton has been far worse in that respect.

Possibly cameras would be an idea just to get more info on why/how these accidents happen but I don't like the general assumption that bringing the speed limit down will make a road safer. Its not always the case. A no overtaking rule causes problems when you get the person going 40-50mph in the left hand lane as, without being able to pass them, forces the driver going the correct speed to slow down (People driving too slowly on dual carriageways cause more accidents than those going too fast).

I think following the normal rules of driving down the centre of your lane on a dual carriageway, keeping a safe distance (2 seconds in the dry, 4 in the wet) and planning well ahead when overtaking should prevent any problems on this section of road.
I was discussing the accidents in/near the tunnel with someone the other day. Like lots of others commenting above, I really cannot see what part of the road causes drivers a problem. Although there is a bend to the westbound approach, it isn't severe enough to cut visibility down enough for a need to slow from 70mph. No kerbs or barriers stick out anywhere. And one would think the tunnel is far distracting than the scenery either side of the tunnel. Even in the terrible weather over the last few weeks, I haven't noticed any obvious problems with water on the road, the start of the A23 dual carriageway out of Brighton has been far worse in that respect. Possibly cameras would be an idea just to get more info on why/how these accidents happen but I don't like the general assumption that bringing the speed limit down will make a road safer. Its not always the case. A no overtaking rule causes problems when you get the person going 40-50mph in the left hand lane as, without being able to pass them, forces the driver going the correct speed to slow down (People driving too slowly on dual carriageways cause more accidents than those going too fast). I think following the normal rules of driving down the centre of your lane on a dual carriageway, keeping a safe distance (2 seconds in the dry, 4 in the wet) and planning well ahead when overtaking should prevent any problems on this section of road. WestStander17

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