Large chunk of Brighton's West Pier falls victim to the sea

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WITH VIDEO: A large chunk of Brighton's West Pier has fallen into the sea - and the trust which owns it says more collapses could follow.

The iconic structure, gutted by a fire in 2003, has slowy been losing parts of its metal skeleton ever since.

But the latest chunk to go could spell the end for the structure as the sea bids to claim it.

Argus photographer Simon Dack has just returned from Brighton beach. He said people were almost in tears looking at the ravaged hulk.

Rachel Clark, chief executive of the West Pier Trust, which owns it, said this "significant" collapse could trigger others.

She said: "I have only been able to see the photos - I am heading down there later today.

"There have been a few collapses already in the past few weeks due to the stormy weather but they might not have been seen by people unless they were familiar with the structure.

"Obviously this one is more noticeable and it is a great shame.

"It is an unmaintained ruin so this was always likely to happen and the extremely high winds have taken their toll.

"It is very, very sad.

"The more collapses that happen, the weaker the structure becomes and so more collapses become likely.

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"Our engineers can only stand and observe."

Questions are already being asked about how this will affect Paddle Round the Pier later this year, the i360 development - and the future of the West Pier itself. 

Opened in 1866 after being designed and engineered by Eugenius Birch, the West Pier was closed in 1975 and has been deteriorating since.

In 2002, a huge storm resulted in the dramatic collapse of the south-east corner of the Concert Hall and a year later arsonists struck.

Despite the massive damage, plans to revive it were set out, but funding for the project was withdrawn by the Heritage Lottery Fund.

The West Pier Trust said that with the withdrawal of lottery funding, the pier would never again be restored to its prime.

The collapsed Concert Hall, which was close to the beach, was removed in 2010 after it was deemed a public hazard.

The skeletal remains of the pier have made it a public attraction, but trust officials concede that it will eventually fall into the sea.

Some people are already saying the pier should now be demolished. Others say it should be completely rebuilt. What do you think?

Click on the YouTube video below to see a timelapse of the 2003 fire. 

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9:09am Wed 5 Feb 14

kopite_rob says...

Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest.
As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.
Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest. As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win. kopite_rob

9:10am Wed 5 Feb 14

power_ranger says...

I blame the greens.
I blame the greens. power_ranger

9:14am Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Aww...
Aww... Eugenius

9:14am Wed 5 Feb 14

FC says...

WELL DONE BRIGHTON & HOVE COUNCIL!!!

You had about 4 alternative plans to redevelop this iconic pier, and you chose something that won't even be finished before 2099.
WELL DONE BRIGHTON & HOVE COUNCIL!!! You had about 4 alternative plans to redevelop this iconic pier, and you chose something that won't even be finished before 2099. FC

9:25am Wed 5 Feb 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure. The Prophet of Doom

9:26am Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

So many missed oportunities.

Very sad to see this - many of us had, in a sense grown, to love the "in tact" skeleton on our sea front. Now that this large chunk of structure is missing the profile is lost - I imagine it won't be all that long before nature destroys the rest now.
So many missed oportunities. Very sad to see this - many of us had, in a sense grown, to love the "in tact" skeleton on our sea front. Now that this large chunk of structure is missing the profile is lost - I imagine it won't be all that long before nature destroys the rest now. Richada

9:39am Wed 5 Feb 14

AlexRWD says...

Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them?
Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them? AlexRWD

9:47am Wed 5 Feb 14

Martin999 says...

People were almost in tears?...........RUB
BISH!
People were almost in tears?...........RUB BISH! Martin999

9:48am Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction. Eugenius

9:50am Wed 5 Feb 14

nosolution says...

The pier is a part of our history and is of national importance even as it decays.Plus it,s a big draw for tourists, boat trips full linger there daily in the summer...
The pier is a part of our history and is of national importance even as it decays.Plus it,s a big draw for tourists, boat trips full linger there daily in the summer... nosolution

9:54am Wed 5 Feb 14

SirLancelot says...

Only thing of beauty left to succumb to the ravages of the sea
Only thing of beauty left to succumb to the ravages of the sea SirLancelot

10:12am Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

FC wrote:
WELL DONE BRIGHTON & HOVE COUNCIL!!!

You had about 4 alternative plans to redevelop this iconic pier, and you chose something that won't even be finished before 2099.
The council doesn't own the pier so I'm not sure what you're referring to?
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: WELL DONE BRIGHTON & HOVE COUNCIL!!! You had about 4 alternative plans to redevelop this iconic pier, and you chose something that won't even be finished before 2099.[/p][/quote]The council doesn't own the pier so I'm not sure what you're referring to? Eugenius

10:27am Wed 5 Feb 14

Ben says says...

kopite_rob wrote:
Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest.
As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.
Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though.
[quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest. As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.[/p][/quote]Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though. Ben says

10:27am Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
This, sadly, is what we have left of the West Pier after 148 years. Can you imagine what there will be left of the iSore (great name!) in the year 2162.......

......reconstructing the pier now is even more of a non-starter than the i360, there will be of course one less, great, reason to go up it now anyway.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]This, sadly, is what we have left of the West Pier after 148 years. Can you imagine what there will be left of the iSore (great name!) in the year 2162....... ......reconstructing the pier now is even more of a non-starter than the i360, there will be of course one less, great, reason to go up it now anyway. Richada

10:32am Wed 5 Feb 14

Brightonian63 says...

It is sad but nothing lasts forever, time to move on and look to the future, too many people are stuck living in the past.
Love Always Wins, Global Speak Out http://wp.me/p4gaPC-
9R
It is sad but nothing lasts forever, time to move on and look to the future, too many people are stuck living in the past. Love Always Wins, Global Speak Out http://wp.me/p4gaPC- 9R Brightonian63

10:32am Wed 5 Feb 14

Martin999 says...

An eyesore we could do without, along with the numerous traveller vans dotted around the city.
An eyesore we could do without, along with the numerous traveller vans dotted around the city. Martin999

10:45am Wed 5 Feb 14

John Steed says...

the west peir trust, worse than nero, he just fiddled, this shambolic lot spend all their time selling bits and pieces and trying to lease the shore end off, what little was ever rebuilt has long gone "to Storage" where and at what cost?. Maybe the elements will do the honorable thing, west pier RIP (Rust In Pieces)
the west peir trust, worse than nero, he just fiddled, this shambolic lot spend all their time selling bits and pieces and trying to lease the shore end off, what little was ever rebuilt has long gone "to Storage" where and at what cost?. Maybe the elements will do the honorable thing, west pier RIP (Rust In Pieces) John Steed

10:47am Wed 5 Feb 14

Mr P Brown says...

Ben says wrote:
kopite_rob wrote:
Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest.
As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.
Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though.
Someone obviously thought it was the 'noble' thing to do
[quote][p][bold]Ben says[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest. As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.[/p][/quote]Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though.[/p][/quote]Someone obviously thought it was the 'noble' thing to do Mr P Brown

10:50am Wed 5 Feb 14

Simon Philips says...

The West Pier is a symbol, of all that is rotten about our society!
The West Pier has been treated, as society treats people!
It's fine when it's making you money, but the moment it needs a little care and attention, discard it and leave it to rot and fall into the sea!
If people are treated like nothing, then what chance did the West Pier have?
The West Pier is a symbol, of all that is rotten about our society! The West Pier has been treated, as society treats people! It's fine when it's making you money, but the moment it needs a little care and attention, discard it and leave it to rot and fall into the sea! If people are treated like nothing, then what chance did the West Pier have? Simon Philips

10:59am Wed 5 Feb 14

jamieslacker says...

The pier should be rebuilt, exactly to the same specifications of the original.
The pier should be rebuilt, exactly to the same specifications of the original. jamieslacker

11:04am Wed 5 Feb 14

Minion says...

What was the point of putting that video up? It was filmed after the fact so it missed the action. It might as well have been a still photo, all that moves in the video is the sea.
What was the point of putting that video up? It was filmed after the fact so it missed the action. It might as well have been a still photo, all that moves in the video is the sea. Minion

11:06am Wed 5 Feb 14

Cgull says...

This is so sad.

For years we have had the so called great and good telling us what they are going to do down there, and in the end it's all come to nothing.

It was left far too long in the hands of caring but stupid people.
This is so sad. For years we have had the so called great and good telling us what they are going to do down there, and in the end it's all come to nothing. It was left far too long in the hands of caring but stupid people. Cgull

11:08am Wed 5 Feb 14

bug eye says...

Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.
Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out. bug eye

11:12am Wed 5 Feb 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Organisers of Brighton's Paddle Round The Pier event will be in for a shock- they'll need a new route and new name.

I don't think "Paddle Round Roughly Where The Pier Used To Be" quite has the same ring to it.
Organisers of Brighton's Paddle Round The Pier event will be in for a shock- they'll need a new route and new name. I don't think "Paddle Round Roughly Where The Pier Used To Be" quite has the same ring to it. uniteagainstparkingcharges

11:15am Wed 5 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
Yes, the 'snot' Greens will go full-steam ahead and build the iSore, a structure totally out of character with the area and that nobody wants
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]Yes, the 'snot' Greens will go full-steam ahead and build the iSore, a structure totally out of character with the area and that nobody wants BornInBrighton1968

11:20am Wed 5 Feb 14

Seventh Circle says...

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `some vast and rusting girders,
Stand in the sea. Near them, on the beach,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Jason Kitkat, king of numpties;
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level seas stretch far away.'
I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: `some vast and rusting girders, Stand in the sea. Near them, on the beach, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Jason Kitkat, king of numpties; Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level seas stretch far away.' Seventh Circle

11:33am Wed 5 Feb 14

Brighton1000 says...

Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest Brighton1000

11:45am Wed 5 Feb 14

1styummymummy says...

It is sad, I remember going on it regulaly as a child and teenager with my friends, but it's time to admit defeat, pull it down and be done with it. If the powers that be had pulled their finger out in the beginning when it first fell into trouble it might have been saved. But it's too far gone and the money would be more wisely spent in other areas, but NOT on the stupid i360, because we havent got enough tourist attractions as it is and there's so much space to move around the seafront anyway, not.
It is sad, I remember going on it regulaly as a child and teenager with my friends, but it's time to admit defeat, pull it down and be done with it. If the powers that be had pulled their finger out in the beginning when it first fell into trouble it might have been saved. But it's too far gone and the money would be more wisely spent in other areas, but NOT on the stupid i360, because we havent got enough tourist attractions as it is and there's so much space to move around the seafront anyway, not. 1styummymummy

11:59am Wed 5 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Rust in pieces
Rust in pieces Gribbet

12:01pm Wed 5 Feb 14

thelieshurts says...

bug eye wrote:
Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.
No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months.
They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*.
Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?
[quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.[/p][/quote]No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months. They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*. Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ? thelieshurts

12:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Evasivo says...

With the wind and waves due to increase massively. I would go see it for the last time while you can. Won't be much left this time next week... http://www.windfinde
r.com/weatherforecas
t/brighton_beach
With the wind and waves due to increase massively. I would go see it for the last time while you can. Won't be much left this time next week... http://www.windfinde r.com/weatherforecas t/brighton_beach Evasivo

12:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Mr P Brown says...

thelieshurts wrote:
bug eye wrote:
Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.
No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months.
They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*.
Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?
The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local
[quote][p][bold]thelieshurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.[/p][/quote]No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months. They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*. Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?[/p][/quote]The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local Mr P Brown

12:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

AlexRWD wrote:
Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them?
The west pier TRUST should pay for the clear up what else are they for
[quote][p][bold]AlexRWD[/bold] wrote: Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them?[/p][/quote]The west pier TRUST should pay for the clear up what else are they for tinker111

12:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

StevieD says...

A few words, dynamite, salvage, clearance. Once and for all there will never be a rebuild, there is nothing to rebuild, it is a stupid waste of money and time thinking that anything possitive will ever come from retaining this eyesore. Spend some money on something possitive for Brighton and Hove for the future and stop dwelling on the past.
A few words, dynamite, salvage, clearance. Once and for all there will never be a rebuild, there is nothing to rebuild, it is a stupid waste of money and time thinking that anything possitive will ever come from retaining this eyesore. Spend some money on something possitive for Brighton and Hove for the future and stop dwelling on the past. StevieD

12:27pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Caute3 says...

The Council collected millions in 2003 for a restoration fund - I wonder what it did with all that money? It certainly didn't go towards preserving the Pier.
The Council collected millions in 2003 for a restoration fund - I wonder what it did with all that money? It certainly didn't go towards preserving the Pier. Caute3

12:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Minion says...

Every thing that happens to the West pier, bit by bit is quite artistic.
Each thing is a marker of time, like how people remember times such as the day they got married, the day they had their first kid etc.
The West pier shouldn't be frozen in time, it's beyond restoration, it shouldn't be rebuilt because it wouldn't be the same, it shouldn't be destroyed because it's a part of our city that holds a lot of history, even more interesting now that it's just a crumbling skeleton. I think it should be 'left to the elements' to age and decay beautifully, as it is.
Every thing that happens to the West pier, bit by bit is quite artistic. Each thing is a marker of time, like how people remember times such as the day they got married, the day they had their first kid etc. The West pier shouldn't be frozen in time, it's beyond restoration, it shouldn't be rebuilt because it wouldn't be the same, it shouldn't be destroyed because it's a part of our city that holds a lot of history, even more interesting now that it's just a crumbling skeleton. I think it should be 'left to the elements' to age and decay beautifully, as it is. Minion

12:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Stuart Munday says...

If the council could build a cycle lane out to sea im sure they would find the money to do it.
If the council could build a cycle lane out to sea im sure they would find the money to do it. Stuart Munday

12:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mynameisad says...

I get a feeling it wasn't tears in those peoples eyes but a result of the extreme winds on the tear ducts. I realise this doesn't really help with the emotional side of the story though.
I get a feeling it wasn't tears in those peoples eyes but a result of the extreme winds on the tear ducts. I realise this doesn't really help with the emotional side of the story though. mynameisad

12:53pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000 Eugenius

12:54pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Caute3 wrote:
The Council collected millions in 2003 for a restoration fund - I wonder what it did with all that money? It certainly didn't go towards preserving the Pier.
That was the West Pier Trust, not the council.
[quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: The Council collected millions in 2003 for a restoration fund - I wonder what it did with all that money? It certainly didn't go towards preserving the Pier.[/p][/quote]That was the West Pier Trust, not the council. Eugenius

12:59pm Wed 5 Feb 14

thelieshurts says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
thelieshurts wrote:
bug eye wrote:
Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.
No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months.
They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*.
Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?
The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local
I give you a clue when I was born. At 15 left school 1962, born at Brighton General Hospital when Brighton was a lovely town, never moved away and come back. Am still here today, If it's about Brighton pier and not palace it's meant for people who have moved here who didn't know it was palace, I hated it when name changed. Does that answer your question.
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thelieshurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.[/p][/quote]No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months. They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*. Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?[/p][/quote]The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local[/p][/quote]I give you a clue when I was born. At 15 left school 1962, born at Brighton General Hospital when Brighton was a lovely town, never moved away and come back. Am still here today, If it's about Brighton pier and not palace it's meant for people who have moved here who didn't know it was palace, I hated it when name changed. Does that answer your question. thelieshurts

1:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Stuart Munday wrote:
If the council could build a cycle lane out to sea im sure they would find the money to do it.
The way I am feeling today, having just been out with my wheelchair and been hit by one cyclist who had lost control of his bike due to the high winds and then got stuck on the pavement three times because of bikes irresponsibly chained to lampposts ... As long as they build it way out ... go for it!
[quote][p][bold]Stuart Munday[/bold] wrote: If the council could build a cycle lane out to sea im sure they would find the money to do it.[/p][/quote]The way I am feeling today, having just been out with my wheelchair and been hit by one cyclist who had lost control of his bike due to the high winds and then got stuck on the pavement three times because of bikes irresponsibly chained to lampposts ... As long as they build it way out ... go for it! mimseycal

1:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

All its broken bits could end up scattered dangerously along the coastline for swimmers to be cut/impaled on. After this winter it must be dismantled and so must the despicable West Pier Trust. And as for Marks Barfield.....

Word is they are lobbying each of the political parties for all they are worth to support the £36m loan from BHCC to get their so-last-century pod/pole built on the land side of the former West Pier. They have part-manufactured and must surely fear taking the hit, so it is reasonable they would lobby to get the loan to get off the hook.

But it would not take many years before the city took a huge financial hit if they are allowed to have this bailout. Build a new pier with the money and link it to the Brighton Sailing Club beside the site. Make a massive wharf for moorings and diving and, and, and.....

There are no diving facilities in Brighton and Hove....
All its broken bits could end up scattered dangerously along the coastline for swimmers to be cut/impaled on. After this winter it must be dismantled and so must the despicable West Pier Trust. And as for Marks Barfield..... Word is they are lobbying each of the political parties for all they are worth to support the £36m loan from BHCC to get their so-last-century pod/pole built on the land side of the former West Pier. They have part-manufactured and must surely fear taking the hit, so it is reasonable they would lobby to get the loan to get off the hook. But it would not take many years before the city took a huge financial hit if they are allowed to have this bailout. Build a new pier with the money and link it to the Brighton Sailing Club beside the site. Make a massive wharf for moorings and diving and, and, and..... There are no diving facilities in Brighton and Hove.... Valerie Paynter

1:07pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
I fear you are absolutely on the money; they will. And the Tories will support them.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]I fear you are absolutely on the money; they will. And the Tories will support them. Valerie Paynter

1:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

wendy-uk says...

Sadly, it's time to demolish the pier now. It's an eyesore and all those bits of rusting metal could be a hazard to boats or people. The West Pier Trust should use some of the thousands of pounds they have in their bank account to pay for the demolishing and clear-up. Interesting to see that they will be involved with the new "iSore".
Sadly, it's time to demolish the pier now. It's an eyesore and all those bits of rusting metal could be a hazard to boats or people. The West Pier Trust should use some of the thousands of pounds they have in their bank account to pay for the demolishing and clear-up. Interesting to see that they will be involved with the new "iSore". wendy-uk

1:13pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

AlexRWD wrote:
Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them?
No; as in the days when planning consent was about to expire, back in 2009, Marks Barfield will be expected by The West Pier Trust to make the area safe - and of course this will mean getting the £36m loan from BHCC to do it.

Bits of debris were cleared from the foreshore and BHCC lawyers declared that this meant development had begun - thereby saving the planning consent and making the proposed Brighton O completely impossible for the site beside it.

This is the responsibility of The West Pier Trust, who own it and not BHCC. They are a registered charity and its Trustees are financially liable if there are no Trust resources. That is what being a trustee of a Charity involves.
[quote][p][bold]AlexRWD[/bold] wrote: Presumably there are now a lot of pieces of dangerous, sharp & rusty pier in the surrounding area - will the Council bother to clear this up at all, or just wait until some people get injured and sue them?[/p][/quote]No; as in the days when planning consent was about to expire, back in 2009, Marks Barfield will be expected by The West Pier Trust to make the area safe - and of course this will mean getting the £36m loan from BHCC to do it. Bits of debris were cleared from the foreshore and BHCC lawyers declared that this meant development had begun - thereby saving the planning consent and making the proposed Brighton O completely impossible for the site beside it. This is the responsibility of The West Pier Trust, who own it and not BHCC. They are a registered charity and its Trustees are financially liable if there are no Trust resources. That is what being a trustee of a Charity involves. Valerie Paynter

1:19pm Wed 5 Feb 14

cynic_the says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
The London Eye FFS?!

A billion people will watch the world cup this year, does that mean we can expect the same number at the next Albion match?

The only attraction on your list that is vaguely comparable is the Spinnaker Tower. And that's next to the reasonably pleasant Gunwharf Quays. Rather than *ahem* Oriental Place... I almost went up the Spinnaker once, until i saw the price. For a lift ride!

Regardless, I doubt the i360 will get built, it's just a way to make money disappear for a few more years.

The remains of the West Pier should be left there until nothing is left above the waves, as a reminder that even the mightiest perish in the face of time and tide.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]The London Eye FFS?! A billion people will watch the world cup this year, does that mean we can expect the same number at the next Albion match? The only attraction on your list that is vaguely comparable is the Spinnaker Tower. And that's next to the reasonably pleasant Gunwharf Quays. Rather than *ahem* Oriental Place... I almost went up the Spinnaker once, until i saw the price. For a lift ride! Regardless, I doubt the i360 will get built, it's just a way to make money disappear for a few more years. The remains of the West Pier should be left there until nothing is left above the waves, as a reminder that even the mightiest perish in the face of time and tide. cynic_the

1:38pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Zamora251 says...

Pull the bloody thing down anyway, its a health hazard apart from anything else!!
Pull the bloody thing down anyway, its a health hazard apart from anything else!! Zamora251

1:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

toldsloth says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
If the numbers are so good, why couldn't i360 obtain support for its business model? I wonder........

Also everybody seems to have forgotten that B&HCC have effectively signed away several millions of £££'s in "loans" to this impending folly. Anybody up for a public enquiry?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]If the numbers are so good, why couldn't i360 obtain support for its business model? I wonder........ Also everybody seems to have forgotten that B&HCC have effectively signed away several millions of £££'s in "loans" to this impending folly. Anybody up for a public enquiry? toldsloth

1:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

rolivan says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Those attractions give people a view of something worthwhile which the i360 however will not. For a fraction of the cost The Council could build a Restaurant at the Top of the Manor by the TV mast and have a view of virtually the whole of Sussex it could also intergrate the Radio and Tv antennaes into the structure.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Those attractions give people a view of something worthwhile which the i360 however will not. For a fraction of the cost The Council could build a Restaurant at the Top of the Manor by the TV mast and have a view of virtually the whole of Sussex it could also intergrate the Radio and Tv antennaes into the structure. rolivan

2:03pm Wed 5 Feb 14

All 9 of me says...

Martin999 wrote:
An eyesore we could do without, along with the numerous traveller vans dotted around the city.
It's much more painful to read your inane comments
[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote: An eyesore we could do without, along with the numerous traveller vans dotted around the city.[/p][/quote]It's much more painful to read your inane comments All 9 of me

2:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

Minion wrote:
Every thing that happens to the West pier, bit by bit is quite artistic.
Each thing is a marker of time, like how people remember times such as the day they got married, the day they had their first kid etc.
The West pier shouldn't be frozen in time, it's beyond restoration, it shouldn't be rebuilt because it wouldn't be the same, it shouldn't be destroyed because it's a part of our city that holds a lot of history, even more interesting now that it's just a crumbling skeleton. I think it should be 'left to the elements' to age and decay beautifully, as it is.
Well put!
[quote][p][bold]Minion[/bold] wrote: Every thing that happens to the West pier, bit by bit is quite artistic. Each thing is a marker of time, like how people remember times such as the day they got married, the day they had their first kid etc. The West pier shouldn't be frozen in time, it's beyond restoration, it shouldn't be rebuilt because it wouldn't be the same, it shouldn't be destroyed because it's a part of our city that holds a lot of history, even more interesting now that it's just a crumbling skeleton. I think it should be 'left to the elements' to age and decay beautifully, as it is.[/p][/quote]Well put! Richada

2:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

thelieshurts wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
thelieshurts wrote:
bug eye wrote:
Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.
No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months.
They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*.
Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?
The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local
I give you a clue when I was born. At 15 left school 1962, born at Brighton General Hospital when Brighton was a lovely town, never moved away and come back. Am still here today, If it's about Brighton pier and not palace it's meant for people who have moved here who didn't know it was palace, I hated it when name changed. Does that answer your question.
As one born the year you left school, for me too it will forever be the Palace Pier.

Very soon Brighton will only have one pier and its current name will be more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]thelieshurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thelieshurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: Now is the time for a 21st century pier with a 5* glass hotel and infinity pool, conference centre and Michelin * restaurant all powered by wave power. add a ship docking station/helipad and an amazing rollercoaster from promenade up and through the structures. use the rusty west pier metal pieces to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings. sorted, now business men and lottery fund get you purse out, and planner pull your fingers out.[/p][/quote]No need to create a rooftop sculpture for the starlings, I've seen them hanging around the Brighton pier the last few months. They must have known something, they've moved from slum to 5*. Why does 21st century have to be for the wealthy and not for everyone. ?[/p][/quote]The Brighton Pier ?? I take it you're not a local[/p][/quote]I give you a clue when I was born. At 15 left school 1962, born at Brighton General Hospital when Brighton was a lovely town, never moved away and come back. Am still here today, If it's about Brighton pier and not palace it's meant for people who have moved here who didn't know it was palace, I hated it when name changed. Does that answer your question.[/p][/quote]As one born the year you left school, for me too it will forever be the Palace Pier. Very soon Brighton will only have one pier and its current name will be more appropriate. Richada

2:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Brighton1000 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius Brighton1000

2:17pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

wendy-uk wrote:
Sadly, it's time to demolish the pier now. It's an eyesore and all those bits of rusting metal could be a hazard to boats or people. The West Pier Trust should use some of the thousands of pounds they have in their bank account to pay for the demolishing and clear-up. Interesting to see that they will be involved with the new "iSore".
The clue here is in the word - TRUST. There really wasn't much sign of that in relation to the West Pier was there?

As far as the i360 is concerned, if the same party is involved there, then I guess we can all rest assured that it will never happen.

A different city a different attraction, but I wonder if anybody here is at all familiar with the work of the ss Great Britain Trust in Bristol? In the hands of such a group, the West Pier story would have been so very different.
[quote][p][bold]wendy-uk[/bold] wrote: Sadly, it's time to demolish the pier now. It's an eyesore and all those bits of rusting metal could be a hazard to boats or people. The West Pier Trust should use some of the thousands of pounds they have in their bank account to pay for the demolishing and clear-up. Interesting to see that they will be involved with the new "iSore".[/p][/quote]The clue here is in the word - TRUST. There really wasn't much sign of that in relation to the West Pier was there? As far as the i360 is concerned, if the same party is involved there, then I guess we can all rest assured that it will never happen. A different city a different attraction, but I wonder if anybody here is at all familiar with the work of the ss Great Britain Trust in Bristol? In the hands of such a group, the West Pier story would have been so very different. Richada

2:18pm Wed 5 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Thank God that the incapable and incompetent Greens never got a chance to be involved with the pier; they would have probably stuck a statue of Stalin at the end of it.

The only good thing that you can say in the defence of the West Pier Trust is that they made a better job of administering what was left of the pier than the Greens would have, and that's not saying much....
Thank God that the incapable and incompetent Greens never got a chance to be involved with the pier; they would have probably stuck a statue of Stalin at the end of it. The only good thing that you can say in the defence of the West Pier Trust is that they made a better job of administering what was left of the pier than the Greens would have, and that's not saying much.... BornInBrighton1968

2:25pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Keithlaker says...

It's about time the Pier was Demolished and cleared, how much of the already fallen structure is being spread along the sand by heavy seas.
This is surely posing even more of a hazard to water users along the beaches to the East.
Ofcourse it is an awful shame to see it in this shape but come on....!
It's about time the Pier was Demolished and cleared, how much of the already fallen structure is being spread along the sand by heavy seas. This is surely posing even more of a hazard to water users along the beaches to the East. Ofcourse it is an awful shame to see it in this shape but come on....! Keithlaker

2:31pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London.

Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius[/p][/quote]Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year. Eugenius

2:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

reccamec says...

I wonder where the money has gone that was raised at the start. should have done something with it when you had the chance. pull it down and get some more money for the scrap metal the go to the pub and enjoy. just don't expect the people of brighton and hove to pay for the clear up.
I wonder where the money has gone that was raised at the start. should have done something with it when you had the chance. pull it down and get some more money for the scrap metal the go to the pub and enjoy. just don't expect the people of brighton and hove to pay for the clear up. reccamec

2:39pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Falmer Wizard says...

I do miss the West Pier, not as it is now but in its prime,money was made available from the Lottery, a £million i think to stop it getting past the state to rebuild,which is its present state, a lot of money wasted.
If there really are folk who travel here to see this wreck they should be advised of our other huge attraction the Bandstand,looks very nice but hardly used. I have often gone down on a summer evening to listen to the band,as yet no luck,Eastbourne shows the way.
I suggest a final attraction for the Pier, blowing it up followed by a large firework show and a live group on the bandstand.
I do miss the West Pier, not as it is now but in its prime,money was made available from the Lottery, a £million i think to stop it getting past the state to rebuild,which is its present state, a lot of money wasted. If there really are folk who travel here to see this wreck they should be advised of our other huge attraction the Bandstand,looks very nice but hardly used. I have often gone down on a summer evening to listen to the band,as yet no luck,Eastbourne shows the way. I suggest a final attraction for the Pier, blowing it up followed by a large firework show and a live group on the bandstand. Falmer Wizard

3:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Brighton1000 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London.

Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.
Now you are comparing to the pier, that has dozens of attractions on it? It would be better to compare to the Brighton Wheel, Almost exactly the same attraction, lower in height, yes, but essentially the same thing, And then look at how empty it is at most times of the day and year. That should be testament enough

What does the pier offer that a viewing platform wont? What does the view of the London eye offer that the i360 wont?

You cant really be this ignorant....can you?

Im all for decent tourist attractions, dont get me wrong, Its just the i360 is an insanely bad idea. What will it even offer? A ride up a couple of hundred feet to look out at either the sea (boring) or north to the Downs (boring).
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius[/p][/quote]Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.[/p][/quote]Now you are comparing to the pier, that has dozens of attractions on it? It would be better to compare to the Brighton Wheel, Almost exactly the same attraction, lower in height, yes, but essentially the same thing, And then look at how empty it is at most times of the day and year. That should be testament enough What does the pier offer that a viewing platform wont? What does the view of the London eye offer that the i360 wont? You cant really be this ignorant....can you? Im all for decent tourist attractions, dont get me wrong, Its just the i360 is an insanely bad idea. What will it even offer? A ride up a couple of hundred feet to look out at either the sea (boring) or north to the Downs (boring). Brighton1000

3:25pm Wed 5 Feb 14

cynic_the says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London.

Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.
And Bluewater gets 30 million.

Remind me how much there will be to do once inside the i360 ring-piece? Ah, ok.

And how many people can it carry per day? Oh.

And is it free...? oh dear.

You do like to compare apples with oranges don't you...?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius[/p][/quote]Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.[/p][/quote]And Bluewater gets 30 million. Remind me how much there will be to do once inside the i360 ring-piece? Ah, ok. And how many people can it carry per day? Oh. And is it free...? oh dear. You do like to compare apples with oranges don't you...? cynic_the

4:14pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Benj_86 says...

"But the latest chunk to go could spell the end for the structure as the sea bids to claim it".

Do we know how much the sea is bidding for the Pier?
"But the latest chunk to go could spell the end for the structure as the sea bids to claim it". Do we know how much the sea is bidding for the Pier? Benj_86

4:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

melee says...

"Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year."

But you can go on the pier for free, it's your choice whether you spend a fortune on rides and food or just wander round looking at the view. It doesn't have to rely on daytrippers going on it once and then leaving, I bet most of us locals have been on the pier many times, which all helps to keep the numbers up, and sometimes we spend money while we are there which helps with profits too. The same can't be said of the wheel or I'd guess the i360.
"Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year." But you can go on the pier for free, it's your choice whether you spend a fortune on rides and food or just wander round looking at the view. It doesn't have to rely on daytrippers going on it once and then leaving, I bet most of us locals have been on the pier many times, which all helps to keep the numbers up, and sometimes we spend money while we are there which helps with profits too. The same can't be said of the wheel or I'd guess the i360. melee

4:19pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

cynic_the wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.
And Bluewater gets 30 million. Remind me how much there will be to do once inside the i360 ring-piece? Ah, ok. And how many people can it carry per day? Oh. And is it free...? oh dear. You do like to compare apples with oranges don't you...?
I'm not saying that the i360 would get millions of visitors, just pointing out that there is a big potential market. If i360 got just 10% of that trade it would still be viable and profitable for the council.

Experiencing the view from the top of Sussex Heights was one of the things which changed my mind (this would have been around the time of the bin strike...) and this thing would be half as tall again. Seeing the world from that height is a different experience, more like a helicopter ride, even the sea view is beautiful.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius[/p][/quote]Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.[/p][/quote]And Bluewater gets 30 million. Remind me how much there will be to do once inside the i360 ring-piece? Ah, ok. And how many people can it carry per day? Oh. And is it free...? oh dear. You do like to compare apples with oranges don't you...?[/p][/quote]I'm not saying that the i360 would get millions of visitors, just pointing out that there is a big potential market. If i360 got just 10% of that trade it would still be viable and profitable for the council. Experiencing the view from the top of Sussex Heights was one of the things which changed my mind (this would have been around the time of the bin strike...) and this thing would be half as tall again. Seeing the world from that height is a different experience, more like a helicopter ride, even the sea view is beautiful. Eugenius

4:25pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Arc/Weld says...

Awesome footage
Awesome footage Arc/Weld

4:38pm Wed 5 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word
If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier
A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now
Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum
Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,,
15 months to go
Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,, 15 months to go upsidedowntuctuc

4:43pm Wed 5 Feb 14

NickBrt says...

This is all the Greens fault, we never had this sort of thing when Labour were in power. When will the Greens realise the damage they are doing to our City?
This is all the Greens fault, we never had this sort of thing when Labour were in power. When will the Greens realise the damage they are doing to our City? NickBrt

4:55pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?).

One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.
The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m. Eugenius

5:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word
If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier
A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now
Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum
Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,,
15 months to go
The people who burnt it down probably thought it was a (cough, cough) 'Noble' thing to do
[quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,, 15 months to go[/p][/quote]The people who burnt it down probably thought it was a (cough, cough) 'Noble' thing to do BornInBrighton1968

5:07pm Wed 5 Feb 14

KarenT says...

I worry about the starlings and their beautiful flight at dusk - where will they roost? I guess many of them are going to the Palace Pier now, but quite a few are still roosting on the West Pier.
I worry about the starlings and their beautiful flight at dusk - where will they roost? I guess many of them are going to the Palace Pier now, but quite a few are still roosting on the West Pier. KarenT

5:54pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word
If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier
A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now
Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum
Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,,
15 months to go
The people who burnt it down probably thought it was a (cough, cough) 'Noble' thing to do
Whoever DID (laughs...everyone in Brighton knows) torch the West Pier - our local police force didn't do much of a job of catching them did they.

Hmm....
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: Loved the West Pier when a kid It was Noble in the real sense of the word If it hadn't been deliberately burnt down it would be open again and attracting more visitors and creating jobs along with the Palace Pier A Tower you go up and just sit in with nothing inside will not and after the novelty wears off be less visited than the wheel is now Put the money saved on not supporting the eyesore 360 into Social services and save us a referendum Could also divert the money about to be spent on Greens Park sorry Queens Park,, 15 months to go[/p][/quote]The people who burnt it down probably thought it was a (cough, cough) 'Noble' thing to do[/p][/quote]Whoever DID (laughs...everyone in Brighton knows) torch the West Pier - our local police force didn't do much of a job of catching them did they. Hmm.... Poem58

5:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

Eugenius wrote:
The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?).

One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.
That's wonderful!

Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it?

If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture?

Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.[/p][/quote]That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that. Richada

6:06pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.
That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.
Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.[/p][/quote]That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.[/p][/quote]Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually. Eugenius

6:09pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ttcarlisle says...

So who did burn down the pier? Was this an act of criminal vandalism, or something more thought out? Who would want it gone?
So who did burn down the pier? Was this an act of criminal vandalism, or something more thought out? Who would want it gone? ttcarlisle

6:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

ttcarlisle wrote:
So who did burn down the pier? Was this an act of criminal vandalism, or something more thought out? Who would want it gone?
There were some, ahem, 'Noble ' people who didn't want a refurbished West Pier competing with the Palace Pier
[quote][p][bold]ttcarlisle[/bold] wrote: So who did burn down the pier? Was this an act of criminal vandalism, or something more thought out? Who would want it gone?[/p][/quote]There were some, ahem, 'Noble ' people who didn't want a refurbished West Pier competing with the Palace Pier BornInBrighton1968

6:59pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Larry the Lamb says...

It's going to be rebuilt. Lewis and Aaron have said that they plan to carry out the complete rebuild provided that funds are available.They have already started to draw up rough plans which will have more detail added nearer the time. Hopefully there will have been enough money raised by the time they are free to carry out the renovations. At the moment they are engaged on other work. They are planning to commence work around 2028 once they have both left school.
It's going to be rebuilt. Lewis and Aaron have said that they plan to carry out the complete rebuild provided that funds are available.They have already started to draw up rough plans which will have more detail added nearer the time. Hopefully there will have been enough money raised by the time they are free to carry out the renovations. At the moment they are engaged on other work. They are planning to commence work around 2028 once they have both left school. Larry the Lamb

8:03pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Richada says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.
That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.
Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually.
Good - let them come forward then. The Council tax payers should not be shouldering the long-term risk of this venture.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.[/p][/quote]That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.[/p][/quote]Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually.[/p][/quote]Good - let them come forward then. The Council tax payers should not be shouldering the long-term risk of this venture. Richada

9:24pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Spokeshave says...

It's a good job it's a Grade I Listed Building, otherwise it may have been left to deteriorate.
It's a good job it's a Grade I Listed Building, otherwise it may have been left to deteriorate. Spokeshave

9:43pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Councils should focus and deliver on core business before entering into business which it has no expertise or experience of.
Once this council delivers on basic targets such as refuse and recycling, delivering education targets, apprenticeships, pollution levels, carbon table levels, collection of council tax, then perhaps it can be trusted to use public money on ventures outside of core business.
There seem to be many in the council who want to play at being business people for the sake of their own careers and making their own tawdry council jobs a little more interesting.
Get on with the jobs councils are supposed to deliver and leave private business to spend its time and money on supposed money making ventures.
Would you give £2,000 of your savings to this council to invest?
Councils should focus and deliver on core business before entering into business which it has no expertise or experience of. Once this council delivers on basic targets such as refuse and recycling, delivering education targets, apprenticeships, pollution levels, carbon table levels, collection of council tax, then perhaps it can be trusted to use public money on ventures outside of core business. There seem to be many in the council who want to play at being business people for the sake of their own careers and making their own tawdry council jobs a little more interesting. Get on with the jobs councils are supposed to deliver and leave private business to spend its time and money on supposed money making ventures. Would you give £2,000 of your savings to this council to invest? Maxwell's Ghost

9:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

AshingtonJohn says...

Should of demolised this rusty eyesore mess in 2002. If that was in my garden the council would issue a court order for me to get rid of it.
Should of demolised this rusty eyesore mess in 2002. If that was in my garden the council would issue a court order for me to get rid of it. AshingtonJohn

9:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SchroderC says...

The day when the ruins came crashing into the sea has been a long time coming. A shameful reminder of what could have been, but also a reminder that it is still possible to build a replica of the original pier. The i360 tower must not be built on the West Pier site, otherwise we may never get another pier, which most people I have ever spoken to in Brighton & Hove have expressed an interest in (if the money were found), whilst I have heard mostly negative opinions about the tower (though the West Pier Trust and the council have dishonestly said they have overwhelming support from residents in regards to the tower). If it were moved to a site alongside the pier, this would be a compromise.
What I hope people will do is express their opinions to the WPT as well as the council, that a newly built replica is what we want, not the i360 in exchange. Not a good trade-off. Hastings is getting its pier rebuilt....why not Brighton?
The day when the ruins came crashing into the sea has been a long time coming. A shameful reminder of what could have been, but also a reminder that it is still possible to build a replica of the original pier. The i360 tower must not be built on the West Pier site, otherwise we may never get another pier, which most people I have ever spoken to in Brighton & Hove have expressed an interest in (if the money were found), whilst I have heard mostly negative opinions about the tower (though the West Pier Trust and the council have dishonestly said they have overwhelming support from residents in regards to the tower). If it were moved to a site alongside the pier, this would be a compromise. What I hope people will do is express their opinions to the WPT as well as the council, that a newly built replica is what we want, not the i360 in exchange. Not a good trade-off. Hastings is getting its pier rebuilt....why not Brighton? SchroderC

10:16pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Challenger88 says...

I was all for refurbishing the pier and getting it back to it's former glory until the fires and partial collapses of 2003 and 2004. Since then their hasn't been enough of the original structure for anything to be rebuilt. I hear The West Pier Trust finally acknowledged the sad futility of the situation in November of last year.

Never been a big fan of the i360 idea. When it was going to be privately financed then fair enough, but I think public investment would be a big mistake. Repayment of the loan is far from certain and it would make the council responsible for it's fate if it fails. I can't see how they can be confident of getting the 800,000 annual visitors they project, even the 400,000 needed to break even is far from certain. The fact that even in the clearest weather it's not exactly a spectacular view (I'm a Brightonian and love the city but it's clearly not the sort of world famous vista which things like the London Eye and Shard provide) and it's location a good 10-15 minute walk from the shopping and tourist epicenters don't bode well in my view. Very few people will flock to Brighton specifically for a trip up a big tower and you're not going to get every tourist already here to walk along and pay for the privilege either.

Surely it's time to admit defeat with the i360, that it may have been built on time/in budget and been a success at a different point in time and in a better economic climate, but not here and now.

I really want to see a heritage center and real West Pier museum on the site. Add a cafe/bar/restaurant and a gift shop to make the project seem a more profitable enterprise if necessary.
I was all for refurbishing the pier and getting it back to it's former glory until the fires and partial collapses of 2003 and 2004. Since then their hasn't been enough of the original structure for anything to be rebuilt. I hear The West Pier Trust finally acknowledged the sad futility of the situation in November of last year. Never been a big fan of the i360 idea. When it was going to be privately financed then fair enough, but I think public investment would be a big mistake. Repayment of the loan is far from certain and it would make the council responsible for it's fate if it fails. I can't see how they can be confident of getting the 800,000 annual visitors they project, even the 400,000 needed to break even is far from certain. The fact that even in the clearest weather it's not exactly a spectacular view (I'm a Brightonian and love the city but it's clearly not the sort of world famous vista which things like the London Eye and Shard provide) and it's location a good 10-15 minute walk from the shopping and tourist epicenters don't bode well in my view. Very few people will flock to Brighton specifically for a trip up a big tower and you're not going to get every tourist already here to walk along and pay for the privilege either. Surely it's time to admit defeat with the i360, that it may have been built on time/in budget and been a success at a different point in time and in a better economic climate, but not here and now. I really want to see a heritage center and real West Pier museum on the site. Add a cafe/bar/restaurant and a gift shop to make the project seem a more profitable enterprise if necessary. Challenger88

10:40pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ARMANA says...

jamieslacker wrote:
The pier should be rebuilt, exactly to the same specifications of the original.
OK, Can you send your cheque to Brighton & Hove city council please,
[quote][p][bold]jamieslacker[/bold] wrote: The pier should be rebuilt, exactly to the same specifications of the original.[/p][/quote]OK, Can you send your cheque to Brighton & Hove city council please, ARMANA

11:00pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SirLancelot says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Organisers of Brighton's Paddle Round The Pier event will be in for a shock- they'll need a new route and new name. I don't think "Paddle Round Roughly Where The Pier Used To Be" quite has the same ring to it.
Paddle Around
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Organisers of Brighton's Paddle Round The Pier event will be in for a shock- they'll need a new route and new name. I don't think "Paddle Round Roughly Where The Pier Used To Be" quite has the same ring to it.[/p][/quote]Paddle Around SirLancelot

11:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.
The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time.

I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.
Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest
I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will:

London Eye 3,722,000
Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year)
Blackpool Tower 546,000
The Shard 800,000
Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius
Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London.

Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.
What are you ON!!!?????

The Pier is a mall full of different things to do over any length of time one chooses to be there and spending is optional. The i360 is an elevator/lift for a 20 minute view of the area from higher up and it will cost a fair bit to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: No doubt the Goofy Greens will use this as a springboard to promote the iSore as a replacement structure.[/p][/quote]The West Pier Trust already announced in November that they had abandoned their plans to rebuild the West Pier to its former glory. Sad news but the outlook hasn't been optimistic for a long time. I was originally opposed to the i360 but have gradually come round to the idea. I'm coming to terms with the loss of the pier and I think it would do the seafront good to have a new attraction.[/p][/quote]Oh do shut up, You and your oarty have been pro i360 all along. Which will just become a white elephant on our seafront. You only have to look at other attractions around the UK to see these poxy viewing towers create little interest[/p][/quote]I should clarify I was speaking personally. I've got some stats on annual visitor numbers for other poxy viewing towers, make of them what you will: London Eye 3,722,000 Spinnaker Tower 437,000 (600,000 in first year) Blackpool Tower 546,000 The Shard 800,000[/p][/quote]Oh my life, You really do love to spin everything dont you, How can you POSSIBLY compare visitor numbers to London Eye and the Shrard to the Brighton i360? Its a little like comparing the Grand Canyon to Cheddar Gorge!! You do make me laugh you genius[/p][/quote]Well if it goes ahead it's going to be taller than the London Eye and arguably the most futuristic attraction in the UK, which should draw more visitors down from London. Palace Pier gets 4 million visitors a year.[/p][/quote]What are you ON!!!????? The Pier is a mall full of different things to do over any length of time one chooses to be there and spending is optional. The i360 is an elevator/lift for a 20 minute view of the area from higher up and it will cost a fair bit to do it. Valerie Paynter

11:27pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

NickBrt wrote:
This is all the Greens fault, we never had this sort of thing when Labour were in power. When will the Greens realise the damage they are doing to our City?
The i360 got its planning consent in 2006 under the last Labour Administration.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: This is all the Greens fault, we never had this sort of thing when Labour were in power. When will the Greens realise the damage they are doing to our City?[/p][/quote]The i360 got its planning consent in 2006 under the last Labour Administration. Valerie Paynter

12:06am Thu 6 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Time for the West Pier trust to be suspended and bring in an independent auditor. For its entire existence the WPT has been mis managed. I for one would like to know where the money has gone.
Time for the West Pier trust to be suspended and bring in an independent auditor. For its entire existence the WPT has been mis managed. I for one would like to know where the money has gone. Dealing with idiots

6:13am Thu 6 Feb 14

Seashe says...

There is a petition to try and save the pier, it's worth a shot before we quit on it. http://www.ipetition
s.com/petition/save-
the-west-pier-use-to
ry-ministers-as-beam
s/?utm_source=facebo
ok&utm_medium=social
&utm_campaign=create
_petition
There is a petition to try and save the pier, it's worth a shot before we quit on it. http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/save- the-west-pier-use-to ry-ministers-as-beam s/?utm_source=facebo ok&utm_medium=social &utm_campaign=create _petition Seashe

6:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

Boloney-marshal says...

"A large chunk of Brighton's West Pier has fallen into the sea - and the trust which owns it says more collapses could follow"

Fiddling while Rome burns, comes to mind...what a lot of stupid people you are in the trust....trust, what trust?

Aims of the West pier Trust (From the website)

The West Pier Trust was created in 1978. It is a charity and a limited company which owns the pier and the rights that attach to it. It is non-profit making. The objects for which the Trust is established are:

1.to preserve and enhance for the public benefit the area comprising the Pier, the foreshore around and below it and their immediate surroundings which are hereinafter referred to as ‘the area of benefit’;

2.to promote high standards of planning and architecture in the area of benefit;

3.to secure the preservation protection development and improvement of features of historic interest in the area of benefit.

Initially the Trust’s aim was to restore the pier and return it to pubic use. After several near misses in the 1980s a real opportunity of achieving the restoration came with the creation of the National Lottery in 1994. The Prime Minister, John Major, quoted the pier as an example of the sort of project whose only hope of success would be via an injection of Lottery monies.

So what has happened to the £14.2m by the Heritage Lottery Fund donated towards the restoration of the pier????????????????
?
"A large chunk of Brighton's West Pier has fallen into the sea - and the trust which owns it says more collapses could follow" Fiddling while Rome burns, comes to mind...what a lot of stupid people you are in the trust....trust, what trust? Aims of the West pier Trust (From the website) The West Pier Trust was created in 1978. It is a charity and a limited company which owns the pier and the rights that attach to it. It is non-profit making. The objects for which the Trust is established are: 1.to preserve and enhance for the public benefit the area comprising the Pier, the foreshore around and below it and their immediate surroundings which are hereinafter referred to as ‘the area of benefit’; 2.to promote high standards of planning and architecture in the area of benefit; 3.to secure the preservation protection development and improvement of features of historic interest in the area of benefit. Initially the Trust’s aim was to restore the pier and return it to pubic use. After several near misses in the 1980s a real opportunity of achieving the restoration came with the creation of the National Lottery in 1994. The Prime Minister, John Major, quoted the pier as an example of the sort of project whose only hope of success would be via an injection of Lottery monies. So what has happened to the £14.2m by the Heritage Lottery Fund donated towards the restoration of the pier???????????????? ? Boloney-marshal

10:17am Thu 6 Feb 14

Richada says...

Challenger88 wrote:
I was all for refurbishing the pier and getting it back to it's former glory until the fires and partial collapses of 2003 and 2004. Since then their hasn't been enough of the original structure for anything to be rebuilt. I hear The West Pier Trust finally acknowledged the sad futility of the situation in November of last year.

Never been a big fan of the i360 idea. When it was going to be privately financed then fair enough, but I think public investment would be a big mistake. Repayment of the loan is far from certain and it would make the council responsible for it's fate if it fails. I can't see how they can be confident of getting the 800,000 annual visitors they project, even the 400,000 needed to break even is far from certain. The fact that even in the clearest weather it's not exactly a spectacular view (I'm a Brightonian and love the city but it's clearly not the sort of world famous vista which things like the London Eye and Shard provide) and it's location a good 10-15 minute walk from the shopping and tourist epicenters don't bode well in my view. Very few people will flock to Brighton specifically for a trip up a big tower and you're not going to get every tourist already here to walk along and pay for the privilege either.

Surely it's time to admit defeat with the i360, that it may have been built on time/in budget and been a success at a different point in time and in a better economic climate, but not here and now.

I really want to see a heritage center and real West Pier museum on the site. Add a cafe/bar/restaurant and a gift shop to make the project seem a more profitable enterprise if necessary.
This now seems like a reasonable compromise.

Nobody is going to come up with enough finance to build a new pier - and, frankly, in this day and age, there are better ways of spending the huge sums involved - that equally applies to the i360.
[quote][p][bold]Challenger88[/bold] wrote: I was all for refurbishing the pier and getting it back to it's former glory until the fires and partial collapses of 2003 and 2004. Since then their hasn't been enough of the original structure for anything to be rebuilt. I hear The West Pier Trust finally acknowledged the sad futility of the situation in November of last year. Never been a big fan of the i360 idea. When it was going to be privately financed then fair enough, but I think public investment would be a big mistake. Repayment of the loan is far from certain and it would make the council responsible for it's fate if it fails. I can't see how they can be confident of getting the 800,000 annual visitors they project, even the 400,000 needed to break even is far from certain. The fact that even in the clearest weather it's not exactly a spectacular view (I'm a Brightonian and love the city but it's clearly not the sort of world famous vista which things like the London Eye and Shard provide) and it's location a good 10-15 minute walk from the shopping and tourist epicenters don't bode well in my view. Very few people will flock to Brighton specifically for a trip up a big tower and you're not going to get every tourist already here to walk along and pay for the privilege either. Surely it's time to admit defeat with the i360, that it may have been built on time/in budget and been a success at a different point in time and in a better economic climate, but not here and now. I really want to see a heritage center and real West Pier museum on the site. Add a cafe/bar/restaurant and a gift shop to make the project seem a more profitable enterprise if necessary.[/p][/quote]This now seems like a reasonable compromise. Nobody is going to come up with enough finance to build a new pier - and, frankly, in this day and age, there are better ways of spending the huge sums involved - that equally applies to the i360. Richada

12:34pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
"A large chunk of Brighton's West Pier has fallen into the sea - and the trust which owns it says more collapses could follow"

Fiddling while Rome burns, comes to mind...what a lot of stupid people you are in the trust....trust, what trust?

Aims of the West pier Trust (From the website)

The West Pier Trust was created in 1978. It is a charity and a limited company which owns the pier and the rights that attach to it. It is non-profit making. The objects for which the Trust is established are:

1.to preserve and enhance for the public benefit the area comprising the Pier, the foreshore around and below it and their immediate surroundings which are hereinafter referred to as ‘the area of benefit’;

2.to promote high standards of planning and architecture in the area of benefit;

3.to secure the preservation protection development and improvement of features of historic interest in the area of benefit.

Initially the Trust’s aim was to restore the pier and return it to pubic use. After several near misses in the 1980s a real opportunity of achieving the restoration came with the creation of the National Lottery in 1994. The Prime Minister, John Major, quoted the pier as an example of the sort of project whose only hope of success would be via an injection of Lottery monies.

So what has happened to the £14.2m by the Heritage Lottery Fund donated towards the restoration of the pier????????????????

?
These aims make it clear. Redevelopment was always their aim!
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: "A large chunk of Brighton's West Pier has fallen into the sea - and the trust which owns it says more collapses could follow" Fiddling while Rome burns, comes to mind...what a lot of stupid people you are in the trust....trust, what trust? Aims of the West pier Trust (From the website) The West Pier Trust was created in 1978. It is a charity and a limited company which owns the pier and the rights that attach to it. It is non-profit making. The objects for which the Trust is established are: 1.to preserve and enhance for the public benefit the area comprising the Pier, the foreshore around and below it and their immediate surroundings which are hereinafter referred to as ‘the area of benefit’; 2.to promote high standards of planning and architecture in the area of benefit; 3.to secure the preservation protection development and improvement of features of historic interest in the area of benefit. Initially the Trust’s aim was to restore the pier and return it to pubic use. After several near misses in the 1980s a real opportunity of achieving the restoration came with the creation of the National Lottery in 1994. The Prime Minister, John Major, quoted the pier as an example of the sort of project whose only hope of success would be via an injection of Lottery monies. So what has happened to the £14.2m by the Heritage Lottery Fund donated towards the restoration of the pier???????????????? ?[/p][/quote]These aims make it clear. Redevelopment was always their aim! Valerie Paynter

12:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Time for the West Pier trust to be suspended and bring in an independent auditor. For its entire existence the WPT has been mis managed. I for one would like to know where the money has gone.
You can only take your complaint to the Charity Commissioners who have the power to call them to account on matters of probity.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Time for the West Pier trust to be suspended and bring in an independent auditor. For its entire existence the WPT has been mis managed. I for one would like to know where the money has gone.[/p][/quote]You can only take your complaint to the Charity Commissioners who have the power to call them to account on matters of probity. Valerie Paynter

3:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Eugenius wrote:
Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.
That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.
Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually.
Please just give up on the i360. Years ago it might have been a novel idea but not now. The fact that private investors aren't remotely interested just proves it is a white elephant. The West Pier Trust have failed dismally and the site looks a mess. Surely you can come up with some original ideas to develop this part of the seafront. I think a West Pier museum would be of interest to many and won't cost millions. Just stick to getting the basics right eg running council services and leave business to the professionals.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The council can't use a Public Works loan to pay for social care (even if it could, how would it pay off the loan interest?). One of the reasons that the i360 deal works for council is that the loan to the developer would be worth about £1m a year to the council in interest revenue. Money would be borrowed from the national Public Works Loan Board at a low fixed rate of interest and lent on to the i360 company at a higher fixed commercial rate. If the visitor numbers are only half as good as the projected 739,000 then the council profits by about £25m.[/p][/quote]That's wonderful! Just one catch, if it is so profitable, how come private enterprise has turned away from it? If proper businesspeople can't make this add up, what makes you think a council (of any colour) can run it as a profitable venture? Rather than supporting Council resources in the way that you explain, this is far more likely to prove a very long term drain on the coffers, but then, the Green Party won't be around to lose sleep over that.[/p][/quote]Private business can't access the low interest rate offered by the Public Works Loan Board and they don't get the collateral benefits of increased business rates and regeneration of that section of the seafront. If the council doesn't step in now then a private investor will probably come forwards eventually.[/p][/quote]Please just give up on the i360. Years ago it might have been a novel idea but not now. The fact that private investors aren't remotely interested just proves it is a white elephant. The West Pier Trust have failed dismally and the site looks a mess. Surely you can come up with some original ideas to develop this part of the seafront. I think a West Pier museum would be of interest to many and won't cost millions. Just stick to getting the basics right eg running council services and leave business to the professionals. thevoiceoftruth

10:17pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dawind says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Ben says wrote:
kopite_rob wrote:
Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest.
As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.
Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though.
Someone obviously thought it was the 'noble' thing to do
Of course it was a 'noble thing to do' .
As was trying to rename the Palace Pier to @We are honest and noble and wouldn't result to arson of the west pier... oh no sirree , oh no!
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ben says[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: Not long before this icon of Brighton's past is finally laid to rest. As sad as it is to see it go, it's a reminder that despite mankinds ingenuity, nature will always win.[/p][/quote]Might have helped if someone hadn't set fire to it though.[/p][/quote]Someone obviously thought it was the 'noble' thing to do[/p][/quote]Of course it was a 'noble thing to do' . As was trying to rename the Palace Pier to @We are honest and noble and wouldn't result to arson of the west pier... oh no sirree , oh no! dawind

10:38am Fri 7 Feb 14

Fairfax Aches says...

I have lived here for 6 years, and whilst the Pier in its original or restored condition would have been a great monument, all I have ever seen of it is a rusting ruin of metal, an eyesore and blight to the seafront. About as much of a visitor attraction as a burnt out car.
In the absence of any specific or feasible plan to improve it's state, I pray for the day that the whole decrepid lot is lost under the waves.
I have lived here for 6 years, and whilst the Pier in its original or restored condition would have been a great monument, all I have ever seen of it is a rusting ruin of metal, an eyesore and blight to the seafront. About as much of a visitor attraction as a burnt out car. In the absence of any specific or feasible plan to improve it's state, I pray for the day that the whole decrepid lot is lost under the waves. Fairfax Aches

2:03am Mon 10 Feb 14

Zeta Function says...

Clear up the mess and free up the beach so we can use it.

A vista liberated from that reminder of imperial decline would be welcomed.
Clear up the mess and free up the beach so we can use it. A vista liberated from that reminder of imperial decline would be welcomed. Zeta Function

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