Talking Point: Should the urban fox population be kept under control?

Talking Point: Should the urban fox population be kept under control?

Talking Point: Should the urban fox population be kept under control?

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Our story about Sussex's fox exterminator is already generating comments, letters and even calls to the newsdesk from outraged animal lovers. 

Tom Keightly kills foxes at schools, businesses and private homes across East Sussex. 

In 2010, three-year-old Jake Jermy was bitten by a fox in the ground of the Dorothy Springer playgroup in Loder Road.

At that time, foxes were being held responsible for a series of attacks on young children. 

However, more recently they have been receiving better press, thanks in no small part to the BBC's Autumnwatch and Winterwatch programmes, which have featured foxes in Hove. 

What do you think? Are foxes a pest and should be kept under control? Or should we leave them well alone? 

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11:29am Wed 12 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals. winewomenandsong
  • Score: 40

11:39am Wed 12 Feb 14

Royal_Recruit says...

Bizarre comment. Of course they should be kept at a stable number which can co-exist in harmony with people. Its funny that this debate crops up when its a fox which gives us echos of our youth and tales read to us by parents. Rats, Mice and seagulls however people don't care how many are killed.
Bizarre comment. Of course they should be kept at a stable number which can co-exist in harmony with people. Its funny that this debate crops up when its a fox which gives us echos of our youth and tales read to us by parents. Rats, Mice and seagulls however people don't care how many are killed. Royal_Recruit
  • Score: -7

12:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

brightoncorsadriver says...

What does the fox say?
What does the fox say? brightoncorsadriver
  • Score: 20

12:55pm Wed 12 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves. acousticwilli
  • Score: -16

12:58pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Grumpy Old Cyclist says...

winewomenandsong wrote:
Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
[quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread. Grumpy Old Cyclist
  • Score: -25

1:11pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Eddie_Barn says...

You've never heard them mating or had the stench of their faeces on your path, if you vote yes.
You've never heard them mating or had the stench of their faeces on your path, if you vote yes. Eddie_Barn
  • Score: -24

1:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

qm says...

I would be be more supportive of culling feral youth, a far greater threat to a peaceful balanced community!
I would be be more supportive of culling feral youth, a far greater threat to a peaceful balanced community! qm
  • Score: 44

1:40pm Wed 12 Feb 14

billy goat-gruff says...

People divide animals up into pets, meat and vermin. Pets are safe, meat gets fattened up and eaten and the other animals, who might have the nerve to eat our meat or generally get in the way, are 'culled'!
People divide animals up into pets, meat and vermin. Pets are safe, meat gets fattened up and eaten and the other animals, who might have the nerve to eat our meat or generally get in the way, are 'culled'! billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 20

2:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

76robmac says...

Leave these wild animals alone,if people were responsible with their rubbish fox's would properly stay in the country side
Leave these wild animals alone,if people were responsible with their rubbish fox's would properly stay in the country side 76robmac
  • Score: 20

2:57pm Wed 12 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
On your bike!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]On your bike! winewomenandsong
  • Score: -3

3:32pm Wed 12 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
Well you should secure your chickens then. It doesn't matter if it is broad daylight! Foxes do not just hunt at night. If you leave 23 chickens out - the fox thinks it has won the lottery.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]Well you should secure your chickens then. It doesn't matter if it is broad daylight! Foxes do not just hunt at night. If you leave 23 chickens out - the fox thinks it has won the lottery. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 36

3:35pm Wed 12 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

We should leave them alone. I adore foxes and don't consider them a pest. However, I wish people wouldn't feed them as it artificially inflates the numbers of foxes and makes them less wary of people.
We should leave them alone. I adore foxes and don't consider them a pest. However, I wish people wouldn't feed them as it artificially inflates the numbers of foxes and makes them less wary of people. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 17

3:40pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ouseler says...

I trust he's using a rifle of at least .22 LR calibre for humane shots, so the fact he shoots in urban areas with a Section one Firearm intrigues me, or is this a bit of journalistic licence?? Does he really shoot foxes in back gardens or does he suffer from Ramboitis when speaking to newspaper reporters?
I trust he's using a rifle of at least .22 LR calibre for humane shots, so the fact he shoots in urban areas with a Section one Firearm intrigues me, or is this a bit of journalistic licence?? Does he really shoot foxes in back gardens or does he suffer from Ramboitis when speaking to newspaper reporters? Ouseler
  • Score: 9

3:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Indigatio says...

One does wonder whether if this discussion was about snakes or spiders, if the arguments would be the same!
We have two lots of foxes where we live in Shoreham. They have been here for quite a few years. Other than the occasional noises at night (howling and screeching) they do not cause any issues.
I often see them when I walk our dogs around the block at night. Very bold there are to, often coming within 12 to 15 ft of me.
However, they have no predators and if they bred and became too numerous and caused problems I'd be in favour of culling them.
One point, we don't have any problems in Shoreham with rubbish as we have wheelie bins and a very efficient collection system.
One does wonder whether if this discussion was about snakes or spiders, if the arguments would be the same! We have two lots of foxes where we live in Shoreham. They have been here for quite a few years. Other than the occasional noises at night (howling and screeching) they do not cause any issues. I often see them when I walk our dogs around the block at night. Very bold there are to, often coming within 12 to 15 ft of me. However, they have no predators and if they bred and became too numerous and caused problems I'd be in favour of culling them. One point, we don't have any problems in Shoreham with rubbish as we have wheelie bins and a very efficient collection system. Indigatio
  • Score: 17

4:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Spx says...

Foxes out rats in?
Foxes out rats in? Spx
  • Score: 1

5:03pm Wed 12 Feb 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Leave them alone.

Foxes are fine.

They've never caused me any problems because I love wildlife and don't moan and groan about every little thing.

Humans - that's another matter.
Leave them alone. Foxes are fine. They've never caused me any problems because I love wildlife and don't moan and groan about every little thing. Humans - that's another matter. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 35

5:58pm Wed 12 Feb 14

LeonBIank666 says...

I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me. LeonBIank666
  • Score: 16

6:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

saraman says...

Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops.

Bring back hunting of this useless creature.

All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation.
Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops. Bring back hunting of this useless creature. All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation. saraman
  • Score: -26

6:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

saraman says...

LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
[quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them.. saraman
  • Score: -17

6:55pm Wed 12 Feb 14

stir up says...

Urban foxes are dangerous to us all and the anti brigade just need one event with a family pet or child and they would be screaming blue murder against the foxes. To actually encourage them is silly to say the least, how about those leaving food out go out and try to feed them by hand and see what happens. They kill chicken for fun and should be culled as as been said about we should worry more about endangered species than foxes
Urban foxes are dangerous to us all and the anti brigade just need one event with a family pet or child and they would be screaming blue murder against the foxes. To actually encourage them is silly to say the least, how about those leaving food out go out and try to feed them by hand and see what happens. They kill chicken for fun and should be culled as as been said about we should worry more about endangered species than foxes stir up
  • Score: -12

7:07pm Wed 12 Feb 14

LeonBIank666 says...

saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead. LeonBIank666
  • Score: 20

7:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sussexram40 says...

Foxes are beautiful wild animals. Foxes don't make bombs, start wars, mug and rape people. They are innocent creatures who live by their instinct. Man doesn't own the planet - but man is destroying it. I have to question what sort of person can point a gun at a wild animal and kill it.
Foxes are beautiful wild animals. Foxes don't make bombs, start wars, mug and rape people. They are innocent creatures who live by their instinct. Man doesn't own the planet - but man is destroying it. I have to question what sort of person can point a gun at a wild animal and kill it. sussexram40
  • Score: 16

7:27pm Wed 12 Feb 14

saraman says...

LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
[quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with. saraman
  • Score: -26

7:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

saraman wrote:
Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops.

Bring back hunting of this useless creature.

All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation.
LOAD OF ****! Its the foxes and other wild creatures land your farming on and if its too hot in the kitchen for you then get out and move "yourself" into a flat
The less "human beings" see of your type the better.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops. Bring back hunting of this useless creature. All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation.[/p][/quote]LOAD OF ****! Its the foxes and other wild creatures land your farming on and if its too hot in the kitchen for you then get out and move "yourself" into a flat The less "human beings" see of your type the better. straightasadye
  • Score: 17

7:46pm Wed 12 Feb 14

saraman says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Foxes are beautiful wild animals. Foxes don't make bombs, start wars, mug and rape people. They are innocent creatures who live by their instinct. Man doesn't own the planet - but man is destroying it. I have to question what sort of person can point a gun at a wild animal and kill it.
The same people who kill lambs, cows, pigs and chickens etc who put food on your table. Or are you a tree hugging vegetarian? We exterminate rats, mice and cockroaches, so why should foxes be any different?

A previous post mentioned muggers, rapists and other miscreants, foxes are no different tey should all be done away with.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Foxes are beautiful wild animals. Foxes don't make bombs, start wars, mug and rape people. They are innocent creatures who live by their instinct. Man doesn't own the planet - but man is destroying it. I have to question what sort of person can point a gun at a wild animal and kill it.[/p][/quote]The same people who kill lambs, cows, pigs and chickens etc who put food on your table. Or are you a tree hugging vegetarian? We exterminate rats, mice and cockroaches, so why should foxes be any different? A previous post mentioned muggers, rapists and other miscreants, foxes are no different tey should all be done away with. saraman
  • Score: -17

8:10pm Wed 12 Feb 14

LeonBIank666 says...

saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
I know a little about Darwinism, but am no expert, but I am pretty certain foxes come above bees in the food chain, Ergo, your point is completely invalid.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.[/p][/quote]I know a little about Darwinism, but am no expert, but I am pretty certain foxes come above bees in the food chain, Ergo, your point is completely invalid. LeonBIank666
  • Score: 10

8:33pm Wed 12 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
[quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes. straightasadye
  • Score: 13

9:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
Oh yeah. So an old dog fox killed one by one 23 of your chicken in broad daylight - and now he's UNCLE NED. So to know it was an old dog fox you must have been watching - didn't you have the bottle to chase it away?
Another BIG SHOT exagerating on the site.
And for the record poultry farmers kill thousands of chicken every day:
you gonna start eliminating them next.?
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]Oh yeah. So an old dog fox killed one by one 23 of your chicken in broad daylight - and now he's UNCLE NED. So to know it was an old dog fox you must have been watching - didn't you have the bottle to chase it away? Another BIG SHOT exagerating on the site. And for the record poultry farmers kill thousands of chicken every day: you gonna start eliminating them next.? straightasadye
  • Score: 16

10:05pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
How generous of you but when you go on holiday or are away from home and the foxes turn up expecting their food if it's not there I suppose they'll just check the neighbours bins for any titbits. and foxes don't just target bins with food in them as I never put any food or anything smelling of food in my binbags but they still get ripped open.
[quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]How generous of you but when you go on holiday or are away from home and the foxes turn up expecting their food if it's not there I suppose they'll just check the neighbours bins for any titbits. and foxes don't just target bins with food in them as I never put any food or anything smelling of food in my binbags but they still get ripped open. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -6

10:24pm Wed 12 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

stir up wrote:
Urban foxes are dangerous to us all and the anti brigade just need one event with a family pet or child and they would be screaming blue murder against the foxes. To actually encourage them is silly to say the least, how about those leaving food out go out and try to feed them by hand and see what happens. They kill chicken for fun and should be culled as as been said about we should worry more about endangered species than foxes
I'll tell you what happens when you try to feed a fox by hand:
either they run away or, if they have become trusting of you, they will take food gently from your hand. And that's fact because I've experienced it.
[quote][p][bold]stir up[/bold] wrote: Urban foxes are dangerous to us all and the anti brigade just need one event with a family pet or child and they would be screaming blue murder against the foxes. To actually encourage them is silly to say the least, how about those leaving food out go out and try to feed them by hand and see what happens. They kill chicken for fun and should be culled as as been said about we should worry more about endangered species than foxes[/p][/quote]I'll tell you what happens when you try to feed a fox by hand: either they run away or, if they have become trusting of you, they will take food gently from your hand. And that's fact because I've experienced it. winewomenandsong
  • Score: 11

1:19am Thu 13 Feb 14

Athena says...

LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
[quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers. Athena
  • Score: -11

1:34am Thu 13 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

If it's a choice between foxes or rats living off the city's discarded food scraps, I choose foxes, they've never caused me or anyone I know of any harm.
If it's a choice between foxes or rats living off the city's discarded food scraps, I choose foxes, they've never caused me or anyone I know of any harm. Gribbet
  • Score: 12

1:50am Thu 13 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours? acousticwilli
  • Score: -9

8:16am Thu 13 Feb 14

qm says...

Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species! qm
  • Score: 9

9:48am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date.

Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with.
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date. Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 8

9:48am Thu 13 Feb 14

Athena says...

qm wrote:
Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species![/p][/quote]Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed. Athena
  • Score: -10

9:49am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

*off* not of.
*off* not of. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 13 Feb 14

Athena says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date.

Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with.
Perhaps you should interview a few farmers and find out just how true your statement is. Foxes do kill for fun and they do leave the corpses lying around.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date. Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should interview a few farmers and find out just how true your statement is. Foxes do kill for fun and they do leave the corpses lying around. Athena
  • Score: -12

9:50am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Athena wrote:
qm wrote:
Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.
When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species![/p][/quote]Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.[/p][/quote]When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 13

9:53am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Athena wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date.

Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with.
Perhaps you should interview a few farmers and find out just how true your statement is. Foxes do kill for fun and they do leave the corpses lying around.
They leave the corpses because there is only so many chickens a fox can carry in its mouth at one time. They will come back again and again - but often the farmer discovers the dead chickens before the fox has removed them all.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not kill "for fun". If there are 23 chickens running free range then they will kill every chicken and take them away one by one and bury them so they can eat them at a later date. Personally, I feel we would be better of as a species if people like you were done away with.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should interview a few farmers and find out just how true your statement is. Foxes do kill for fun and they do leave the corpses lying around.[/p][/quote]They leave the corpses because there is only so many chickens a fox can carry in its mouth at one time. They will come back again and again - but often the farmer discovers the dead chickens before the fox has removed them all. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 7

10:01am Thu 13 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
[quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site. winewomenandsong
  • Score: -3

10:19am Thu 13 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
......... in support of "the" statement "cats see off foxes".
[quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.[/p][/quote]......... in support of "the" statement "cats see off foxes". winewomenandsong
  • Score: 5

10:27am Thu 13 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on!
[quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.[/p][/quote]Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on! acousticwilli
  • Score: -6

10:28am Thu 13 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

acousticwilli wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on!
Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one!
[quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.[/p][/quote]Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on![/p][/quote]Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one! acousticwilli
  • Score: 1

10:28am Thu 13 Feb 14

Athena says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Athena wrote:
qm wrote:
Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.
When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.
I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species![/p][/quote]Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.[/p][/quote]When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.[/p][/quote]I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen. Athena
  • Score: -11

10:39am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Athena wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Athena wrote:
qm wrote:
Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.
When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.
I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen.
The domesticated animal you are talking about was a banned breed - an American Pit Bull - left unattended upstairs in a house with a baby. Hardly the same as a fox living in the wild.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species![/p][/quote]Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.[/p][/quote]When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.[/p][/quote]I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]The domesticated animal you are talking about was a banned breed - an American Pit Bull - left unattended upstairs in a house with a baby. Hardly the same as a fox living in the wild. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 9

11:58am Thu 13 Feb 14

winewomenandsong says...

acousticwilli wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on!
Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one!
Sorry but I don't understand your last post?
However, I do understand your previous post to that in which
in response to my challenge you have changed tack.
May I remind you the debate revolved "solely" around statements we both made: me claiming I had hard evidence showing cats see off foxes - you claiming you had evidence to the contrary."Nothing more".
And I still stand by my statement and will produce that evidence to the Argus - so will you or won't you pick up the gauntlet and produce to the Argus as well - your evidence to the contrary? You will won't you?
I rest my case - off to feed the foxes now.
With regards.
W W and S.
[quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.[/p][/quote]Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on![/p][/quote]Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one![/p][/quote]Sorry but I don't understand your last post? However, I do understand your previous post to that in which in response to my challenge you have changed tack. May I remind you the debate revolved "solely" around statements we both made: me claiming I had hard evidence showing cats see off foxes - you claiming you had evidence to the contrary."Nothing more". And I still stand by my statement and will produce that evidence to the Argus - so will you or won't you pick up the gauntlet and produce to the Argus as well - your evidence to the contrary? You will won't you? I rest my case - off to feed the foxes now. With regards. W W and S. winewomenandsong
  • Score: 7

12:10am Fri 14 Feb 14

Athena says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Athena wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Athena wrote:
qm wrote:
Athena wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath.

How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
They are not noble. They are predatory killers.
and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species!
Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.
When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.
I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen.
The domesticated animal you are talking about was a banned breed - an American Pit Bull - left unattended upstairs in a house with a baby. Hardly the same as a fox living in the wild.
Indeed. Dogs were domesticated some 30,000 years ago or so. Pit Bulls, etc, are bred from undomesticated Canidae (dogs) for their fighting skills. Other Canidae, such as Foxes, are not domesticated at all and are, inherently, killers. They are beautiful, with shiny noses, big eyes and lovely, bushy tails, but they are not pets. As long as humans leave their rubbish around for the foxes to eat, their appetites will likely be satisfied. But, as they breed, and their numbers increase, that may become more of a problem for them, and they may have to revert to hunting and killing for food.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]They are not noble. They are predatory killers.[/p][/quote]and we aren't? Think you'll find humans kill more non-humans in the name of fun, sport and entertainment than any other species![/p][/quote]Whether that is true, or not, is an irrelevant non sequitur. If a fox kills a baby, it can't be arrested, taken to court, and jailed.[/p][/quote]When has a fox ever killed a baby? You've obviously been reading these hysterical news stories about foxes and believing every word.[/p][/quote]I said IF a fox kills a baby. It may yet happen. A dog killed a baby just this week, and that was supposedly a "domesticated" animal. There will be outrage if ever a fox does kill a baby. It's an accident waiting to happen.[/p][/quote]The domesticated animal you are talking about was a banned breed - an American Pit Bull - left unattended upstairs in a house with a baby. Hardly the same as a fox living in the wild.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Dogs were domesticated some 30,000 years ago or so. Pit Bulls, etc, are bred from undomesticated Canidae (dogs) for their fighting skills. Other Canidae, such as Foxes, are not domesticated at all and are, inherently, killers. They are beautiful, with shiny noses, big eyes and lovely, bushy tails, but they are not pets. As long as humans leave their rubbish around for the foxes to eat, their appetites will likely be satisfied. But, as they breed, and their numbers increase, that may become more of a problem for them, and they may have to revert to hunting and killing for food. Athena
  • Score: -2

11:44am Fri 14 Feb 14

Lisa Lamb says...

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock! Lisa Lamb
  • Score: 9

12:00pm Fri 14 Feb 14

louisegreen6 says...

Please god, do exterminate the over breeding human population, not our wildlife.
Please god, do exterminate the over breeding human population, not our wildlife. louisegreen6
  • Score: 6

1:13pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Jodie6 says...

More emphasis should be put on voting a so-called mayor out who rambles on about going fox hunting on a bike.
More emphasis should be put on voting a so-called mayor out who rambles on about going fox hunting on a bike. Jodie6
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Athena says...

Lisa Lamb wrote:
Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock!
Tell that to chicken farmers. The only way to protect chickens from foxes, is to have them in battery farms, and that is unpopular. Which came first? The chicken or the fox? Which is more useful to us, the chicken or the fox? Foxes will attack and kill farmers' chickens and just leave the corpses lying around. That ruins the farmers' livelihood and the supply of eggs, hence, the need for farmers to control fox populations. They are a pest and now they are multiplying and invading our towns, all because townies think they are cuddly.
[quote][p][bold]Lisa Lamb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock![/p][/quote]Tell that to chicken farmers. The only way to protect chickens from foxes, is to have them in battery farms, and that is unpopular. Which came first? The chicken or the fox? Which is more useful to us, the chicken or the fox? Foxes will attack and kill farmers' chickens and just leave the corpses lying around. That ruins the farmers' livelihood and the supply of eggs, hence, the need for farmers to control fox populations. They are a pest and now they are multiplying and invading our towns, all because townies think they are cuddly. Athena
  • Score: -9

3:16pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Lisa Lamb says...

Athena wrote:
Lisa Lamb wrote:
Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.
Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.
I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock!
Tell that to chicken farmers. The only way to protect chickens from foxes, is to have them in battery farms, and that is unpopular. Which came first? The chicken or the fox? Which is more useful to us, the chicken or the fox? Foxes will attack and kill farmers' chickens and just leave the corpses lying around. That ruins the farmers' livelihood and the supply of eggs, hence, the need for farmers to control fox populations. They are a pest and now they are multiplying and invading our towns, all because townies think they are cuddly.
Oh so the only way to protect chickens from fox predation is to put them in battery cages is it? I take it you're an expert on chicken farms then? Anyway this thread is about urban foxes, not country ones. And which towns exactly are being "invaded" by foxes?
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lisa Lamb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy Old Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: Its the EVIL of the human race that needs exterminating, not harmless wild animals.[/p][/quote]Harmless, two weeks ago an old dog fox killed 23 of my free range chicken in broad daylight. Needless to say the fox is now brown bread.[/p][/quote]I am so sick of this pathetic argument that foxes kill for fun. You cannot humanise a wild animal and assume that just because it kills large numbers of animals that it is killing for fun. It is an opportunist killer that when presented with many prey all together will kill as many as possible because unlike us it does not know when it will get another opportunity to feed. It makes sense. We do not go to the supermarket and buy one item at a time. We buy a weeks supply! I keep chickens and if a fox were to kill them, that would be my fault for not affording them proper protection. Stop blaming the fox and take responsibility for the safety of your livestock![/p][/quote]Tell that to chicken farmers. The only way to protect chickens from foxes, is to have them in battery farms, and that is unpopular. Which came first? The chicken or the fox? Which is more useful to us, the chicken or the fox? Foxes will attack and kill farmers' chickens and just leave the corpses lying around. That ruins the farmers' livelihood and the supply of eggs, hence, the need for farmers to control fox populations. They are a pest and now they are multiplying and invading our towns, all because townies think they are cuddly.[/p][/quote]Oh so the only way to protect chickens from fox predation is to put them in battery cages is it? I take it you're an expert on chicken farms then? Anyway this thread is about urban foxes, not country ones. And which towns exactly are being "invaded" by foxes? Lisa Lamb
  • Score: 7

4:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

MrsRed says...

saraman wrote:
Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops.

Bring back hunting of this useless creature.

All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation.
oh dear poor you !!
"Oh I have had to cage everything....." do you even realise just how banal and pathetic you sound?
exterminate an animal that has been resident on this planet for thousands of years because it digs up your root veg?
I pity you in your petty approach to anything that irritates you, Victor Meldrew is alive and well and cursing the world
saddo!!
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: Foxes are vermin and a total menace and need to be exterminated to extinction. They are residing in my neighbours jungle of a garden and in turn are tearing my garden to pieces. I am an avid vegetable and fruit grower but in order to be successful I have had to cage everything at great expense to protect my crops. Bring back hunting of this useless creature. All the fox lovers are probably living in flats with the majority on benefit and have no idea what these vermin are costing the nation.[/p][/quote]oh dear poor you !! "Oh I have had to cage everything....." do you even realise just how banal and pathetic you sound? exterminate an animal that has been resident on this planet for thousands of years because it digs up your root veg? I pity you in your petty approach to anything that irritates you, Victor Meldrew is alive and well and cursing the world saddo!! MrsRed
  • Score: 8

5:03pm Fri 14 Feb 14

MrsRed says...

saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
saraman wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.
Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..
I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.
I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated.

Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not.

Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it.

I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.
Saraman I actually think you are a bit of a hairy troll..but in answer to your post..and a few other ridiculous ones..
the only creature that kills for fun is a human, any biologist or animal expert will explain the reasons why foxes and cats kill..and it's certainly not for fun.
What do you think keeps the rat population down? - the fox. why, because we are at the top of the food chain, (disgustingly so in my opinion) should we have the right of destruction?
We are the ones building on the foxes' natural habitat..we are the ones that as so pig-greedy we feel the need to trough and slurp our way through the day throwing rubbish wherever we want, attracting foxes for easy food. A fox bites someone..a dog rips the face off a child and kills it..are we to cull EVERY dog for this reason? Exactly what is driving the hatred and malicious spite towards this beautiful animal who has every right to exist ?. Its irrational and childish.
you keep hens? - your little project, your nod to self sufficiency in your back garden. the latest fad.of course the fox sees a meal - you are offering it up on a plate..that's YOUR problem, not his. Everyone needs to grow up a little, respect the small amount of wildlife we still have in this concrete jungle we call England and stop believing all you read in the Daily Mail. Carry on Victor Meldrew! - I need a laugh today and you are providing one in abundance....go and plant some some seeds!
[quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saraman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I actively encourage foxes in to my garden. Sometimes I put raw chicken on my conservatory roof and watch them from underneath. How anybody can kill these wonderful, noble creatures is beyond me.[/p][/quote]Plonker, if they were to stay in your garden I would be happy. But they don't, they destroy the gardens of others and other wildlife. Exterminate them..[/p][/quote]I am so sorry you are vehemently against mother nature entering your beloved garden. What a lovely life you must lead.[/p][/quote]I do, and even more so if this urban menace was to be exterminated. Let's not forget we are top of the food chain, so let's get rid of the lower order of low life to enhance our existance. Just ask yourself, if foxes were no longer a feature on our landscape would we be any the worse off? I think not. Man has risen to the top by way of natural selection so if anything gets in the way of our comforts, get rid of it. I wel wecome birds and bees and butterflies into my garden, but any animal including foxes and cats that kill for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with with.[/p][/quote]Saraman I actually think you are a bit of a hairy troll..but in answer to your post..and a few other ridiculous ones.. the only creature that kills for fun is a human, any biologist or animal expert will explain the reasons why foxes and cats kill..and it's certainly not for fun. What do you think keeps the rat population down? - the fox. why, because we are at the top of the food chain, (disgustingly so in my opinion) should we have the right of destruction? We are the ones building on the foxes' natural habitat..we are the ones that as so pig-greedy we feel the need to trough and slurp our way through the day throwing rubbish wherever we want, attracting foxes for easy food. A fox bites someone..a dog rips the face off a child and kills it..are we to cull EVERY dog for this reason? Exactly what is driving the hatred and malicious spite towards this beautiful animal who has every right to exist ?. Its irrational and childish. you keep hens? - your little project, your nod to self sufficiency in your back garden. the latest fad.of course the fox sees a meal - you are offering it up on a plate..that's YOUR problem, not his. Everyone needs to grow up a little, respect the small amount of wildlife we still have in this concrete jungle we call England and stop believing all you read in the Daily Mail. Carry on Victor Meldrew! - I need a laugh today and you are providing one in abundance....go and plant some some seeds! MrsRed
  • Score: 6

9:04pm Fri 14 Feb 14

NDJMILLER says...

Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina
te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that. NDJMILLER
  • Score: 8

12:52am Sat 15 Feb 14

Athena says...

NDJMILLER wrote:
Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina

te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?
[quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.[/p][/quote]Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock? Athena
  • Score: -2

7:56am Sat 15 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
winewomenandsong wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Foxes do not attack cats!
The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.
You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?
I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.
Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on!
Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one!
Sorry but I don't understand your last post?
However, I do understand your previous post to that in which
in response to my challenge you have changed tack.
May I remind you the debate revolved "solely" around statements we both made: me claiming I had hard evidence showing cats see off foxes - you claiming you had evidence to the contrary."Nothing more".
And I still stand by my statement and will produce that evidence to the Argus - so will you or won't you pick up the gauntlet and produce to the Argus as well - your evidence to the contrary? You will won't you?
I rest my case - off to feed the foxes now.
With regards.
W W and S.
Hello WWS, I think it's about time we put the record straight on this!

I originally wrote about my experience regarding the 'harmlessness' of foxes by recounting what happened to my elderly pet cat - dismembered and scattered all over the garden by one or more of our large local urban fox population. You responded with 'Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes'. You make two propositions here - firstly that cats see off foxes, and, secondly, that foxes do not attack cats. Two propositions in one single post.

Obviously I was challenging your post in which you had stated as absolute fact that foxes do not attack cats. My evidence proves the contrary. You challenged my position which I accepted in good faith but then you immediately qualified your challenge by restricting it to just one of your propositions, thus making the whole wager invalid.

As I've previously said, I'm quite happy to accept that cats probably do stand up for themselves but it is also irrefutable that foxes can regard cats as legitimate prey, especially the vulnerable who can't readily defend themselves such as young, old, unhealthy, infirm. A cat who is being eaten by a fox will not regard that fox as 'harmless'. A fox who is being torn limb from limb by a pack of howling dogs will not regard its attackers as 'harmless'. This, after all, is nature and I really don't see what there is to argue about!
[quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]winewomenandsong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes.[/p][/quote]You sound very sure about that. I have evidence to the contrary. What and where is yours?[/p][/quote]I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'll put my money where my mouth is and will wager up to a hundred pounds I can produce( to the Argus) hard evidence in suppoprt of my statement, any winnings to be donated to the Argus Christmas Appeal fund. Will you do the same? I trust through the Argus you will accept my challenge and confirm same via a post to this site.[/p][/quote]Which gauntlet? I wouldn't deny that a feisty feline could win a duel with a fox, but do you undertake to produce irrefutable evidence that "foxes do not attack cats"? If so, you're on![/p][/quote]Ah, I've just read your next post. You're off, and I believe I won that one![/p][/quote]Sorry but I don't understand your last post? However, I do understand your previous post to that in which in response to my challenge you have changed tack. May I remind you the debate revolved "solely" around statements we both made: me claiming I had hard evidence showing cats see off foxes - you claiming you had evidence to the contrary."Nothing more". And I still stand by my statement and will produce that evidence to the Argus - so will you or won't you pick up the gauntlet and produce to the Argus as well - your evidence to the contrary? You will won't you? I rest my case - off to feed the foxes now. With regards. W W and S.[/p][/quote]Hello WWS, I think it's about time we put the record straight on this! I originally wrote about my experience regarding the 'harmlessness' of foxes by recounting what happened to my elderly pet cat - dismembered and scattered all over the garden by one or more of our large local urban fox population. You responded with 'Foxes do not attack cats! The boots on the other foot, cats see off foxes'. You make two propositions here - firstly that cats see off foxes, and, secondly, that foxes do not attack cats. Two propositions in one single post. Obviously I was challenging your post in which you had stated as absolute fact that foxes do not attack cats. My evidence proves the contrary. You challenged my position which I accepted in good faith but then you immediately qualified your challenge by restricting it to just one of your propositions, thus making the whole wager invalid. As I've previously said, I'm quite happy to accept that cats probably do stand up for themselves but it is also irrefutable that foxes can regard cats as legitimate prey, especially the vulnerable who can't readily defend themselves such as young, old, unhealthy, infirm. A cat who is being eaten by a fox will not regard that fox as 'harmless'. A fox who is being torn limb from limb by a pack of howling dogs will not regard its attackers as 'harmless'. This, after all, is nature and I really don't see what there is to argue about! acousticwilli
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Sat 15 Feb 14

straightasadye says...

Athena wrote:
NDJMILLER wrote:
Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina


te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?
How does the farmer feel? Same as I feel knowing the government gives away a lot of my taxes by way of subsidies to farmers.
And for what?
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.[/p][/quote]Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?[/p][/quote]How does the farmer feel? Same as I feel knowing the government gives away a lot of my taxes by way of subsidies to farmers. And for what? straightasadye
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Sat 15 Feb 14

NDJMILLER says...

Athena wrote:
NDJMILLER wrote:
Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina


te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?
@Athena, another hypothetical scenario.

I display my valuables in the front window of my house where everyone can see them but do not lock the window. I am then burgled. I buy replacements and again put them in the window but again do not lock the window. I am then burgled again. Repeat ad infinitum

Who is to blame for my loss ? Discuss.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.[/p][/quote]Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?[/p][/quote]@Athena, another hypothetical scenario. I display my valuables in the front window of my house where everyone can see them but do not lock the window. I am then burgled. I buy replacements and again put them in the window but again do not lock the window. I am then burgled again. Repeat ad infinitum Who is to blame for my loss ? Discuss. NDJMILLER
  • Score: 3

12:49pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Athena says...

straightasadye wrote:
Athena wrote:
NDJMILLER wrote:
Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina



te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?
How does the farmer feel? Same as I feel knowing the government gives away a lot of my taxes by way of subsidies to farmers.
And for what?
Subsidising farmers makes your food cheaper.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.[/p][/quote]Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?[/p][/quote]How does the farmer feel? Same as I feel knowing the government gives away a lot of my taxes by way of subsidies to farmers. And for what?[/p][/quote]Subsidising farmers makes your food cheaper. Athena
  • Score: -3

12:58pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Athena says...

NDJMILLER wrote:
Athena wrote:
NDJMILLER wrote:
Let's put a few things into perspective.

"Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ?

(a) take one; or
(b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later

Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect.

"Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina



te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ?

Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.
Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?
@Athena, another hypothetical scenario.

I display my valuables in the front window of my house where everyone can see them but do not lock the window. I am then burgled. I buy replacements and again put them in the window but again do not lock the window. I am then burgled again. Repeat ad infinitum

Who is to blame for my loss ? Discuss.
There are 3 different things going on here. We know there are thieves out there, so we protect our property by not making it so easily available or noticeable to burglars and thieves. We lock our windows and doors. We keep our valuables less easy to be seen from the road. The market trader doesn't have such a luxury as locking his stuff away, but he relies on human honesty, and most people are honest. But some aren't. He can't afford the rent on a shop, so he takes his chance with a stall, and hopes for the best in human honesty. My scenario was to illustrate that the farmer makes his living from his stock and that he is entitled to do so. He sells his stock, or the produce of his stock, to feed the people, such as you and I. He hopes for a profit, with which he can provide for his own family. Every chicken or sheep which is attacked by a fox, is less food for the people, and less of an income for the farmer. Foxes and stags are both destructive to farmers and farmers need ways to cull them, or they can lose their stock. Town people do not seem to understand that farms are a countryside version of factories - they are food production units. Town people are used to popping into the supermarket and buying some eggs or ready-made lump of meat. They do not understand the processes by which these eggs and meat is are produced. Town people live under the belief that being "at one with nature" is to love the fox, grow a few herbs and have a couple of chickens. When feeding millions of people, it is far more intensive and complicated than that.
[quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NDJMILLER[/bold] wrote: Let's put a few things into perspective. "Foxes kill chickens and leave them lying around". Hypothetical scenario: a local supermarket puts a sign outside saying 'free chickens, help yourself'. What would a human do ? (a) take one; or (b) fill their bags with as many as they can carry and then come back for more later Pretty obvious answer. Make no mistake, we are no different from the fox in that respect. "Foxes smell awful/defecate/urina te all over the place". Firstly foxes don't have the luxury of being able to flush away their waste matter. Secondly what does human waste matter smell of, scented flowers ? Lastly the absurd comment from the trolling saraman: "any animal...that kills for the sake of fun I am happy to do away with". Biology 101 sunshine - there are two forms of life on Earth, animal and vegetable. Ergo humans are animals, so if you're out there saraman, you've just advocated self-termination. Have fun with that.[/p][/quote]Hypothetical scenario. You are a market trader who makes his living selling goods at an open market, without the luxury of a locked shop. Along comes Fred: "I think I'll have that", he says, as he takes some of your goods without bothering to pay, simply because you haven't locked them up. Then Bill comes along and does the same. And Dave. And Mike. So now you have no profit and no money to buy your food or pay your bills. How do you think the farmer feels when the fox does that to his stock?[/p][/quote]@Athena, another hypothetical scenario. I display my valuables in the front window of my house where everyone can see them but do not lock the window. I am then burgled. I buy replacements and again put them in the window but again do not lock the window. I am then burgled again. Repeat ad infinitum Who is to blame for my loss ? Discuss.[/p][/quote]There are 3 different things going on here. We know there are thieves out there, so we protect our property by not making it so easily available or noticeable to burglars and thieves. We lock our windows and doors. We keep our valuables less easy to be seen from the road. The market trader doesn't have such a luxury as locking his stuff away, but he relies on human honesty, and most people are honest. But some aren't. He can't afford the rent on a shop, so he takes his chance with a stall, and hopes for the best in human honesty. My scenario was to illustrate that the farmer makes his living from his stock and that he is entitled to do so. He sells his stock, or the produce of his stock, to feed the people, such as you and I. He hopes for a profit, with which he can provide for his own family. Every chicken or sheep which is attacked by a fox, is less food for the people, and less of an income for the farmer. Foxes and stags are both destructive to farmers and farmers need ways to cull them, or they can lose their stock. Town people do not seem to understand that farms are a countryside version of factories - they are food production units. Town people are used to popping into the supermarket and buying some eggs or ready-made lump of meat. They do not understand the processes by which these eggs and meat is are produced. Town people live under the belief that being "at one with nature" is to love the fox, grow a few herbs and have a couple of chickens. When feeding millions of people, it is far more intensive and complicated than that. Athena
  • Score: 0

11:06pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Perhaps we should hold talks and try to reason with them first.
[quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should hold talks and try to reason with them first. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

3:42pm Sun 16 Feb 14

acousticwilli says...

Gribbet wrote:
acousticwilli wrote:
Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless.

The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden.

Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.
Perhaps we should hold talks and try to reason with them first.
Ha! Good idea, as long as they held a referendum before taking any definitive action.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acousticwilli[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, since man gave up the nomadic life to live in settlements there has been a tension between the interests of natural wildlife and the invading humans. It's a law of nature and happens between different species, and between different groups, tribes and races of the same species. I would say there are species which are in far more need of our urgent attention - African elephants, Siberian tigers, whales, dolphins - the list is endless. The problem with urban foxes is that they have learnt how to live in a fearless and semi-dependant proximity to humans. It suits them, but not all of us. They are numerous and can be dangerous. My 17 year old cat was attacked, killed and partially eaten by a fox who left my pet's remains scattered around the garden. Foxes are intuitively wild and are definitely not harmless. If they wish to co-exist with us in our settlements they must accept our urban customs and ways of life, or return to the rural wild and fend for themselves.[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should hold talks and try to reason with them first.[/p][/quote]Ha! Good idea, as long as they held a referendum before taking any definitive action. acousticwilli
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Steve Heenan says...

Seagulls are the biggest pest in B'ton & Hove. They desperately need culling.
Seagulls are the biggest pest in B'ton & Hove. They desperately need culling. Steve Heenan
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Steve Heenan wrote:
Seagulls are the biggest pest in B'ton & Hove. They desperately need culling.
Get the foxes on them !
[quote][p][bold]Steve Heenan[/bold] wrote: Seagulls are the biggest pest in B'ton & Hove. They desperately need culling.[/p][/quote]Get the foxes on them ! Idontbelieveit1948
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10:54am Tue 18 Feb 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Eddie_Barn wrote:
You've never heard them mating or had the stench of their faeces on your path, if you vote yes.
Are you talking about foxes or the green party, because they are both urban
interlopers
[quote][p][bold]Eddie_Barn[/bold] wrote: You've never heard them mating or had the stench of their faeces on your path, if you vote yes.[/p][/quote]Are you talking about foxes or the green party, because they are both urban interlopers ThinkBrighton
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