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Further collapses expected at Brighton's West Pier

The Argus: The battered West Pier The battered West Pier

As winds are set to batter the south coast, the caretakers of Brighton's ravaged West Pier are bracing themselves for more collapses.

Last week, a large chunk of the structure fell fell into the stormy waves.

Today, Rachel Clarke, Chief Executive of the West Pier Trust, said: “Having the collapse last week has certainly weakened the structure.

"We do expect further collapses but the level of engineering is such that you can never know. It has already lasted so long.”

Brighton and Hove, along with East and West Sussex, is currently subject to an amber be prepared warning for wind. 

The Met Office says it is expecting winds of up to 80mph to batter the south coast during the course of the day.

The warning has just been upgraded to red for North Wales and part of northern England, which means residents should take action to protect themselves from hurricane force winds. 

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12:30pm Wed 12 Feb 14

P.Dant says...

The i360 would have flattened the West Pier,after this wind.
The i360 would have flattened the West Pier,after this wind. P.Dant
  • Score: 13

12:35pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Roy Grace says...

Wasted opportunity to tackle a proper story and to get real questions answered:

1. What is the point of the West Pier Trust now there is no pier or plans for a pier to be entrusted?

2. Where is the Trust getting its funding and what has it done with the funding from previous years?

3. What is the Trust's view on what should happen with the burnt out tangle that is left of our treasured pier after it failed to protect it?

The above quote from Rachel Clarke disgusts me. Where is the message? Where is the intention or the passion to show the town that something, anything is being done other than build a structure that is literally in a totally different direction to what the Trust was entrusted to do. No one wants the i360.

Worse still is that the West Pier Trust couldn't even retain the land end of the pier! What is left on our seafront is an utter mess and constant reminder of the failings of the Trust who have since flogged off most of what was salvaged from the West Pier.
Wasted opportunity to tackle a proper story and to get real questions answered: 1. What is the point of the West Pier Trust now there is no pier or plans for a pier to be entrusted? 2. Where is the Trust getting its funding and what has it done with the funding from previous years? 3. What is the Trust's view on what should happen with the burnt out tangle that is left of our treasured pier after it failed to protect it? The above quote from Rachel Clarke disgusts me. Where is the message? Where is the intention or the passion to show the town that something, anything is being done other than build a structure that is literally in a totally different direction to what the Trust was entrusted to do. No one wants the i360. Worse still is that the West Pier Trust couldn't even retain the land end of the pier! What is left on our seafront is an utter mess and constant reminder of the failings of the Trust who have since flogged off most of what was salvaged from the West Pier. Roy Grace
  • Score: 71

12:52pm Wed 12 Feb 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd.
The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 16

1:02pm Wed 12 Feb 14

pumpkineater23 says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd.
...but you can roll it in glitter.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd.[/p][/quote]...but you can roll it in glitter. pumpkineater23
  • Score: 27

2:04pm Wed 12 Feb 14

RottingdeanRant says...

pumpkineater23 wrote:
The Prophet of Doom wrote:
The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd.
...but you can roll it in glitter.
That did make me laugh!
[quote][p][bold]pumpkineater23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: The West Pier Trust should think on this - you can't polish a t*rd.[/p][/quote]...but you can roll it in glitter.[/p][/quote]That did make me laugh! RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 11

2:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Roundbill says...

Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this.
Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this. Roundbill
  • Score: 42

2:36pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bugzy84 says...

The West Pier Trust's failure cannot be put into any suitable words that won't get deleted.
All they have done is collected money for a building that no longer exists, the very least of which could have been dismantle and saved, but now graces the seabed and scrap yards.
If they have any decently left all the money should be given to another at risk building within the town and the Trust dissolved.
The West Pier Trust's failure cannot be put into any suitable words that won't get deleted. All they have done is collected money for a building that no longer exists, the very least of which could have been dismantle and saved, but now graces the seabed and scrap yards. If they have any decently left all the money should be given to another at risk building within the town and the Trust dissolved. Bugzy84
  • Score: 35

2:58pm Wed 12 Feb 14

westpiergone says...

They must have big pockets,the money has been going there for years !
They must have big pockets,the money has been going there for years ! westpiergone
  • Score: 13

3:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Carolma says...

Further collapses expected. Good. Let's be shot of the wreckage and stop pretending the west pier is anything but a memory.
Further collapses expected. Good. Let's be shot of the wreckage and stop pretending the west pier is anything but a memory. Carolma
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Lady Smith says...

Roy Grace wrote:
Wasted opportunity to tackle a proper story and to get real questions answered:

1. What is the point of the West Pier Trust now there is no pier or plans for a pier to be entrusted?

2. Where is the Trust getting its funding and what has it done with the funding from previous years?

3. What is the Trust's view on what should happen with the burnt out tangle that is left of our treasured pier after it failed to protect it?

The above quote from Rachel Clarke disgusts me. Where is the message? Where is the intention or the passion to show the town that something, anything is being done other than build a structure that is literally in a totally different direction to what the Trust was entrusted to do. No one wants the i360.

Worse still is that the West Pier Trust couldn't even retain the land end of the pier! What is left on our seafront is an utter mess and constant reminder of the failings of the Trust who have since flogged off most of what was salvaged from the West Pier.
Well said! I doubt we'll get any answers to your excellent questions, though. The WPT seem to live in a little bubble of their own making, which no-one who might question their raison d'etre is allowed to penetrate. Like you, I'd like to know where the funding was spent on - apart from a small exhibition.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Grace[/bold] wrote: Wasted opportunity to tackle a proper story and to get real questions answered: 1. What is the point of the West Pier Trust now there is no pier or plans for a pier to be entrusted? 2. Where is the Trust getting its funding and what has it done with the funding from previous years? 3. What is the Trust's view on what should happen with the burnt out tangle that is left of our treasured pier after it failed to protect it? The above quote from Rachel Clarke disgusts me. Where is the message? Where is the intention or the passion to show the town that something, anything is being done other than build a structure that is literally in a totally different direction to what the Trust was entrusted to do. No one wants the i360. Worse still is that the West Pier Trust couldn't even retain the land end of the pier! What is left on our seafront is an utter mess and constant reminder of the failings of the Trust who have since flogged off most of what was salvaged from the West Pier.[/p][/quote]Well said! I doubt we'll get any answers to your excellent questions, though. The WPT seem to live in a little bubble of their own making, which no-one who might question their raison d'etre is allowed to penetrate. Like you, I'd like to know where the funding was spent on - apart from a small exhibition. Lady Smith
  • Score: 21

4:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -24

4:55pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Morpheus says...

I though that "caretakers" were supposed to look after a building not just get paid for watching it crumble.
I though that "caretakers" were supposed to look after a building not just get paid for watching it crumble. Morpheus
  • Score: 19

5:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Bugzy84 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c*** Bugzy84
  • Score: 15

5:15pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***
i am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog.

Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton.

Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE.

The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***[/p][/quote]i am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog. Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton. Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE. The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -22

5:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***
I am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog.

Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton.

Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE.

The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING you Green haters can do to stop it
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***[/p][/quote]I am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog. Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton. Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE. The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING you Green haters can do to stop it Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -19

5:24pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Roundbill says...

Green_Girl, a quick tip - if you're going to troll, you have to make it subtle.
Have fun on here ;-)
Green_Girl, a quick tip - if you're going to troll, you have to make it subtle. Have fun on here ;-) Roundbill
  • Score: 11

5:33pm Wed 12 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Roundbill wrote:
Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this.
Perhaps the Argus could carry out an investigation themselves, and actually ask this question?? The West Pier Trust has been collecting money for years....
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the Argus could carry out an investigation themselves, and actually ask this question?? The West Pier Trust has been collecting money for years.... fredflintstone1
  • Score: 15

5:41pm Wed 12 Feb 14

season says...

Rachel Clarke & co have had most of the money in there back pockets i bet..we ALL would like to know what the so called trust has done with the rest of the money.........
Rachel Clarke & co have had most of the money in there back pockets i bet..we ALL would like to know what the so called trust has done with the rest of the money......... season
  • Score: 9

6:05pm Wed 12 Feb 14

The Heretic says...

Whilst the i360 wouldn't be my first choice for a new seafront attraction, if it presented a sufficiently robust business case, fair enough. It seems though that it has failed to do so when it comes to commercial sources.

The quite ridiculous sums being suggested are public money. There are FAR better investments the council could make. Staking £35 million on one throw of the dice, when sensible money has already declined to do so, is reckless in the extreme.
Whilst the i360 wouldn't be my first choice for a new seafront attraction, if it presented a sufficiently robust business case, fair enough. It seems though that it has failed to do so when it comes to commercial sources. The quite ridiculous sums being suggested are public money. There are FAR better investments the council could make. Staking £35 million on one throw of the dice, when sensible money has already declined to do so, is reckless in the extreme. The Heretic
  • Score: 9

7:03pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Brighton Living says...

Caretakers of Brighton's ravaged West Pier ?????? he's had an easy life by the state of the pier.
Caretakers of Brighton's ravaged West Pier ?????? he's had an easy life by the state of the pier. Brighton Living
  • Score: 8

7:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Brighton Living says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***
I am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog.

Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton.

Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE.

The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING you Green haters can do to stop it
I am guessing that you have not attended university ???? Get over yourself!!!
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***[/p][/quote]I am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog. Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton. Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE. The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING you Green haters can do to stop it[/p][/quote]I am guessing that you have not attended university ???? Get over yourself!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 7

7:11pm Wed 12 Feb 14

John Steed says...

why would anyone want to pay a fortune for a short ride up a metal pylon is beyond me, go up the race hill the veiw is magnificent and free, and there lies the problem a tourist tower is a one off ride, a pier is not, i have lost count of how many times i have been on the pier, even now I frequently walk out along worthing pier for no other reason than is a reasonable stroll and its free. as to the trust being caretakers, thats an oxymoron, cants be trusted to save the pier and have taken no care over it for the last 40 years, by the way were it the 75 feet that was restored and why was it removed in the first place.
why would anyone want to pay a fortune for a short ride up a metal pylon is beyond me, go up the race hill the veiw is magnificent and free, and there lies the problem a tourist tower is a one off ride, a pier is not, i have lost count of how many times i have been on the pier, even now I frequently walk out along worthing pier for no other reason than is a reasonable stroll and its free. as to the trust being caretakers, thats an oxymoron, cants be trusted to save the pier and have taken no care over it for the last 40 years, by the way were it the 75 feet that was restored and why was it removed in the first place. John Steed
  • Score: 9

7:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

happylilrascals says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
shame they cannot fantastically complete anything else!
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]shame they cannot fantastically complete anything else! happylilrascals
  • Score: 8

8:10pm Wed 12 Feb 14

scuba1 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
What are you blithering on about ? You are confident in the greens pmsl !!! I have nothing more to say than WAKE UP YOU ARE HAVING A NIGHTMARE !!
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]What are you blithering on about ? You are confident in the greens pmsl !!! I have nothing more to say than WAKE UP YOU ARE HAVING A NIGHTMARE !! scuba1
  • Score: 6

9:09pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Roundbill says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this.
Perhaps the Argus could carry out an investigation themselves, and actually ask this question?? The West Pier Trust has been collecting money for years....
The saddest thing about this whole sorry saga is that, even 20 years ago, the Argus was the sort of paper that employed experienced journalists who were capable and tenacious enough to research this sort of thing. Today, all they have is a bunch of students who have no life experience, no comprehension of long-term investigation, and no encouragement from older staff.
This afternoon when I posted a wholly legitimate and legally robust comment asking Rachel Clarke to comment on the widespread concern that money and assets hadn't been handled in a transparent manner, she or one of her minions reported the post and the moderator, terrified of getting into trouble with a grown-up, deleted it.
I don't blame the people at the Argus - it's not their fault they're so inexperienced, poorly-trained, unsupported and easily threatened by people who presumably have something to hide.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Interesting that the Argus mods have deleted my comment asking for the West Pier Trust to comment on where all the money has gone. I'll let people make their own judgement on this.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the Argus could carry out an investigation themselves, and actually ask this question?? The West Pier Trust has been collecting money for years....[/p][/quote]The saddest thing about this whole sorry saga is that, even 20 years ago, the Argus was the sort of paper that employed experienced journalists who were capable and tenacious enough to research this sort of thing. Today, all they have is a bunch of students who have no life experience, no comprehension of long-term investigation, and no encouragement from older staff. This afternoon when I posted a wholly legitimate and legally robust comment asking Rachel Clarke to comment on the widespread concern that money and assets hadn't been handled in a transparent manner, she or one of her minions reported the post and the moderator, terrified of getting into trouble with a grown-up, deleted it. I don't blame the people at the Argus - it's not their fault they're so inexperienced, poorly-trained, unsupported and easily threatened by people who presumably have something to hide. Roundbill
  • Score: 12

9:44am Thu 13 Feb 14

Morpheus says...

The collapse we really want is the West Pier Trust.
The collapse we really want is the West Pier Trust. Morpheus
  • Score: 7

10:11am Thu 13 Feb 14

JerryOnly says...

I am absolutely aghast that there is a West Pier Trust. Just... why?? What do they DO? HOW can they justify existing at all? Membership of the trust can cost up to £50 a year (from their site) but GOOD LORD WHY? And they have a "Chief Executive" too.

Words are failing me.

I'm going to start a My Front Lawn Trust.
I am absolutely aghast that there is a West Pier Trust. Just... why?? What do they DO? HOW can they justify existing at all? Membership of the trust can cost up to £50 a year (from their site) but GOOD LORD WHY? And they have a "Chief Executive" too. Words are failing me. I'm going to start a My Front Lawn Trust. JerryOnly
  • Score: 4

10:25am Thu 13 Feb 14

Richada says...

The Heretic wrote:
Whilst the i360 wouldn't be my first choice for a new seafront attraction, if it presented a sufficiently robust business case, fair enough. It seems though that it has failed to do so when it comes to commercial sources.

The quite ridiculous sums being suggested are public money. There are FAR better investments the council could make. Staking £35 million on one throw of the dice, when sensible money has already declined to do so, is reckless in the extreme.
SPOT ON!
[quote][p][bold]The Heretic[/bold] wrote: Whilst the i360 wouldn't be my first choice for a new seafront attraction, if it presented a sufficiently robust business case, fair enough. It seems though that it has failed to do so when it comes to commercial sources. The quite ridiculous sums being suggested are public money. There are FAR better investments the council could make. Staking £35 million on one throw of the dice, when sensible money has already declined to do so, is reckless in the extreme.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON! Richada
  • Score: 5

10:34am Thu 13 Feb 14

Richada says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
Well this "old thing" thanks you for brightening his day!

I take it you'll not be paying your £50 subscription to the west Pier Trust this year then - in spite of them supporting the i360?
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]Well this "old thing" thanks you for brightening his day! I take it you'll not be paying your £50 subscription to the west Pier Trust this year then - in spite of them supporting the i360? Richada
  • Score: 2

10:37am Thu 13 Feb 14

Richada says...

Once again, I would point to the ss Great Britain in Bristol as evidence to what a proper trust can achieve.

The West Pier Trust is in no way worthy of its name.

I am also joining the ranks of those concerned about the Argus removing posts regarding this matter - which is obviously of interest, no, concern, to many here who do value our heritage.
Once again, I would point to the ss Great Britain in Bristol as evidence to what a proper trust can achieve. The West Pier Trust is in no way worthy of its name. I am also joining the ranks of those concerned about the Argus removing posts regarding this matter - which is obviously of interest, no, concern, to many here who do value our heritage. Richada
  • Score: 5

11:03am Thu 13 Feb 14

Simon Philips says...

Can someone explain to me, the logic, to why we had no money to rescue a Historical Grade 1 Listed building, but can find millions for a structure nobody wants?

Young and trendy monument maybe to Green ideology causing more congestion for visitors to Brighton , who will find £10-£20ph hour parking fee waiting for them after their visit to this folly?

We've already got enough floral monuments to the Greens folly along the Lewes Road thank you!
Can someone explain to me, the logic, to why we had no money to rescue a Historical Grade 1 Listed building, but can find millions for a structure nobody wants? Young and trendy monument maybe to Green ideology causing more congestion for visitors to Brighton , who will find £10-£20ph hour parking fee waiting for them after their visit to this folly? We've already got enough floral monuments to the Greens folly along the Lewes Road thank you! Simon Philips
  • Score: 5

11:29am Thu 13 Feb 14

DC78 says...

The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions.

Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs"

Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going?

I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status.
The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions. Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs" Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going? I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status. DC78
  • Score: 7

11:31am Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Where has all the money gone? Can the West Pier Trust please answer this question?

Looking at their annual accounts on the charity commission website shows they overspend by around £20,000 on their income every single year. Also they spend nearly £50,000 on wages. They spent £1875 on fundraising in 2012 and raised £1678. So they would have been better off if they hadn't fundraised at all!
Where has all the money gone? Can the West Pier Trust please answer this question? Looking at their annual accounts on the charity commission website shows they overspend by around £20,000 on their income every single year. Also they spend nearly £50,000 on wages. They spent £1875 on fundraising in 2012 and raised £1678. So they would have been better off if they hadn't fundraised at all! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

11:45am Thu 13 Feb 14

Bugzy84 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things.

I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us.

We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion
If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***
i am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog.

Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton.

Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE.

The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING
No I didn't go to university, like a lot of people, I completed my college education and had to start work.
However I have had the opportunity to have numerous training and advancement courses throughout my career with my employers that are provided by universities. I don't smoke or eat pies, I prefer cake to be honest.
I don't bash the green party any more than the other parties, I just can't stand the megalomaniac leader, if you remembered from my other post I actually approve a lot of the policies the Greens have, not all mind you.
i360 is impractical for Brighton, although it is of beautiful architecture it would be more suited to Dubai, it will not be able to operate during the high winds of winter, it has almost no investors so is being funded mostly by the central government and it is completely out of place with the conservation area.
I can only hope if it is built that the high winds will make it fall onto the hideous Holiday Inn building.
Now Miss rude Green girl, try making a proper debate rather than hurling abuse at people that have different opinions, because if that is what they are teaching you in university then I'm glad I didn't get to go and be turned into a total obnoxious as***le.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: I will be glad when this wretched old thing finally goes; I hate old things. I am confident that the Green Council will act with almost supernatural vim and vigour in ensuring that the i360 is speedily built and becomes the most successful tourist attraction in the UK; nothing can stop us. We all have every faith that the cry-babies who have rubbished the i360 from the beginning will finally accept that the Green Council will have make a fantastic job in seeing this project to completion[/p][/quote]If you were a real person and not just a wind up profile i'd say you're a deranged c***[/p][/quote]i am guessing that you have not attended university, so having a discussion with you would be like trying to explain physics to a frog. Needless to say, people like you who love to the critical of the Greens will be made to see how much we have done for you, and the city of Brighton. Stop moaning, stop sitting at home, smoking and eating pies and get out of your house and see what we have done to make Brighton a better place for EVERYONE. The i360 WILL be built, and there is not ONE **** THING[/p][/quote]No I didn't go to university, like a lot of people, I completed my college education and had to start work. However I have had the opportunity to have numerous training and advancement courses throughout my career with my employers that are provided by universities. I don't smoke or eat pies, I prefer cake to be honest. I don't bash the green party any more than the other parties, I just can't stand the megalomaniac leader, if you remembered from my other post I actually approve a lot of the policies the Greens have, not all mind you. i360 is impractical for Brighton, although it is of beautiful architecture it would be more suited to Dubai, it will not be able to operate during the high winds of winter, it has almost no investors so is being funded mostly by the central government and it is completely out of place with the conservation area. I can only hope if it is built that the high winds will make it fall onto the hideous Holiday Inn building. Now Miss rude Green girl, try making a proper debate rather than hurling abuse at people that have different opinions, because if that is what they are teaching you in university then I'm glad I didn't get to go and be turned into a total obnoxious as***le. Bugzy84
  • Score: 4

11:57am Thu 13 Feb 14

stir up says...

Any money the council gets fro capital projects is not allowed to be used for general council service or revenue costs. Also if they make a loan for capital works and charges those borrowing the money more than they have to pay themselves then the council makes a profit and this extra income can be used for services.
Stop knocking the Trust and realise they are trying to improve the area and bring in more jobs and investment to that end of the city.
Really those knocking things all the time need to do a bit or real research before putting down misguided thoughts. Often these type of people make statements with a great deal of conviction that has the strength of total ignorance behind it.
Any money the council gets fro capital projects is not allowed to be used for general council service or revenue costs. Also if they make a loan for capital works and charges those borrowing the money more than they have to pay themselves then the council makes a profit and this extra income can be used for services. Stop knocking the Trust and realise they are trying to improve the area and bring in more jobs and investment to that end of the city. Really those knocking things all the time need to do a bit or real research before putting down misguided thoughts. Often these type of people make statements with a great deal of conviction that has the strength of total ignorance behind it. stir up
  • Score: -5

12:44pm Thu 13 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

stir up wrote:
Any money the council gets fro capital projects is not allowed to be used for general council service or revenue costs. Also if they make a loan for capital works and charges those borrowing the money more than they have to pay themselves then the council makes a profit and this extra income can be used for services.
Stop knocking the Trust and realise they are trying to improve the area and bring in more jobs and investment to that end of the city.
Really those knocking things all the time need to do a bit or real research before putting down misguided thoughts. Often these type of people make statements with a great deal of conviction that has the strength of total ignorance behind it.
Well stir up have a look at their accounts - I certainly wouldn't trust them with my money. The West Pier Trust has failed - time to dissolve the charity or rename it the i360 Trust.
[quote][p][bold]stir up[/bold] wrote: Any money the council gets fro capital projects is not allowed to be used for general council service or revenue costs. Also if they make a loan for capital works and charges those borrowing the money more than they have to pay themselves then the council makes a profit and this extra income can be used for services. Stop knocking the Trust and realise they are trying to improve the area and bring in more jobs and investment to that end of the city. Really those knocking things all the time need to do a bit or real research before putting down misguided thoughts. Often these type of people make statements with a great deal of conviction that has the strength of total ignorance behind it.[/p][/quote]Well stir up have a look at their accounts - I certainly wouldn't trust them with my money. The West Pier Trust has failed - time to dissolve the charity or rename it the i360 Trust. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Hovite says...

They have been paying themselves about £65k a year in expensives and staffing costs.

You can view their accounts here:

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They have been paying themselves about £65k a year in expensives and staffing costs. You can view their accounts here: http://apps.charityc ommission.gov.uk/Sho wcharity/RegisterOfC harities/CharityWith outPartB.aspx?Regist eredCharityNumber=28 0177&SubsidiaryNumbe r=0 Hovite
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Richada says...

DC78 wrote:
The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions.

Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs"

Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going?

I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status.
THIS is what we should be actually reading REPORTED by the Argus!

Thank you for sharing that with us.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions. Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs" Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going? I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status.[/p][/quote]THIS is what we should be actually reading REPORTED by the Argus! Thank you for sharing that with us. Richada
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Hovite says...

DC78 wrote:
The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions.

Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs"

Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going?

I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status.
Yep , do this, you will get lots of support. The WPT has been at it for the last 30 years.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: The West Pier Trust operates as a charity, so it's accounts are freely available and as a charity, with tax concessions. Between, 31st Dec 2008 and 31st Dec 2012, their total income was £366,801 and their spending was £455,057. A large amount of expenditure is on "Staff costs" Maybe, the Argus could take part in some real investigative journalism, interrogate CE Rachel Clarke, where exactly is this money coming from and where is it going? I'll also be writing to the charity commission, to ask them to consider revoking their charitable status.[/p][/quote]Yep , do this, you will get lots of support. The WPT has been at it for the last 30 years. Hovite
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

As the arsonists laugh on...
As the arsonists laugh on... Poem58
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DC78 says...

Looking at their latest published accounts, the West Pier Trust have 2 full time employees, earning £43,277 between them. Around £21.5k each, a year.

I feel sorry for them though, now that flappy bird has been deleted from the iPhone app store, all they have left is candy crush to play all day.
Looking at their latest published accounts, the West Pier Trust have 2 full time employees, earning £43,277 between them. Around £21.5k each, a year. I feel sorry for them though, now that flappy bird has been deleted from the iPhone app store, all they have left is candy crush to play all day. DC78
  • Score: 2

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