Special report: What future for Brighton and Hove's historic hotel heritage?

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One of Brighton and Hove’s oldest hotels is to be transformed into a youth hostel.

Brighton and Hove City council’s planning committee yesterday gave the go-ahead for The Royal York Hotel, in Old Steine, to be turned into a hostel.

One of the telling aspects of the meeting was how little time was devoted to losing one the city’s oldest hotels, with just as much time dedicated to discussing what the council would do with the money it would get from the development.


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The decision comes just a month after The Lansdowne Place Hotel was forced to close after 150 years, reportedly with debts of £9 million.

And it has raised questions about the future of more of Brighton and Hove’s historical seafront hotels and whether they can survive in the current economic and tourist climate?

Nick Head, a former head of Visit Sussex, believes the hotel industry is one of the most historical features of Brighton and Hove and to see some of them falling into decline is a sad spectacle.

“They’re an enormous part of Brighton’s history,” he told The Argus.

“It will be a real shame to see the Royal York Hotel disappear, but I’m aware buildings of that size will struggle as a full service hotel and it’s very difficult to make them profitable.”

During the meeting Councillor Carol Theobald was the first to raise a concern that losing the hotel would be a blow for the city and said worries about the upkeep of the area should be looked at if the hotel was being made into a youth hostel.

She said: “The Royal York building is a great historical building. I feel it’s a shame and it would be better as a boutique hotel or even a budget hotel rather than this use.”

Citing concerns about the building falling into disrepair in the future, she added: “I’m just a bit wary this might happen to this building and I’m sorry to say this but it’s my personal view.”

And highlighting how the building has been changed many times in its history, Coun Leo Littman said if the business wasn’t performing as a hotel, then it was time to let it go.

“This isn’t the first time it’s had its use changed,” he told the planning committee. “This building has changed its use over the years. It used to be council offices for quite a long time and nowit’s not serving its purpose as a hotel.”

The Royal York stands as one of Brighton’s oldest and most historical buildings.

Originally opening as a hotel in 1819, it boasted 100 bedrooms before falling into a state of dilapidation at the start of the 20th Century.

In 1930 it was decided the hotel business wasn’t sustainable and the building was bought by the Brighton Corporation and converted into offices, before being bought by the Radisson Group and reopening in 2006 as the Radisson Blu Royal York.

Its more famous guests include the Duke of Wellington and Benjamin Disraeli and in 1861 customers were treated to a reading of David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.

Along with the hotel, the Grade II listed building offered nine residential apartments for letting.

Speaking after the council approved plans to convert the property, planning committee chairman Phelim MacCafferty said: “We welcomed this application as it fills a much-loved and listed hotel building otherwise likely to become vacant.

“It will be very good to have a YHA hostel in our city once again.

They’re well-managed with good facilities for a range of clientele and ages.

“We think it’ll be really popular, adding to the city’s edge.”

He added that hotel consultants had examined the possible uses of the building and had deemed it too small to attract a chain operator and too large for individual use.

The Lansdowne Hotel, which closed last month to be turned into 50 homes, has a similar story to The Royal York.

Dating back to 1854, the building was once a series of school boarding houses before becoming the Dudley Hotel and then the Lansdowne Place Hotel.

But after years as a popular spot for tourists staying in Brighton for a few days it struggled to change with the times and was unable to adapt and challenge the larger chains due to its size, location and the changing economic climate.

At the time of its closure the business is understood to have owed millions to SantanderUKand £16,000 to people who had booked functions at the hotel.

But these closures are just the latest in a line of small hotels in the city that have been forced to change their use after becoming unviable businesses.

The Sackville Hotel in Kingsway, Hove, was earmarked to be demolished after plans to turn it into a “luxury five-star” residence fell through after engineers deemed the building “beyond repair”.

The building, which dates back to 1904, was turned into the Sackville Hotel in 1927 after originally being built as four houses and was later as an extension to Girton House School for Girls.

It quickly gained popularity for its marble pillars, its facade and two domes on the front corners of the building.

After surviving for years the owners of the hotel laid out plans to invest £5 million to restore the building to its 1950s heyday, but when the roof partially collapsed during the renovation the former glory was lost and the end of the hotel was in sight.

In October 2012 developers were given permission to turn the former historical landmark into more modern seafront terrace homes, having decided the hotel could no longer survive.

But it’s not all doom and gloom for Brighton’s historical hotels, and one place in particular is hoping it can remain a part of the city’s present as well as being a major feature of its past.

In November last year De Vere, the owners of The Grand in Kings Road, put it up for sale after carrying out more than £7 million of improvements.

In an effort to make the hotel more attractive to new owners, a spa, improved bar restaurant and refurbished bedrooms were installed.

The 150-year-old hotel has a long and chequered history.

It was rebuilt in 1984 following the IRA bomb which ripped through the property during the Tory Party conference and is one of 1,200 listed buildings in the city.

But as the years went on the brand faced increasing competition from new venues looking to take advantage of a modernising industry, in particular the Hotel du Vin in Ship Street, Drakes in Marine Parade and myhotel in Jubilee Street.

The Argus has previously reported that The Grand was put up for sale to ease the owners’ £1.1 billion debt.

Mr Head added that, although a number of high-profile and historical hotels had been forced to close in recent years, he still believed they were an important part of the city’s history and their facades and appeal were something that should be retained.

He said: “Retaining the facade is more important than the use of the building, in my opinion.

“That would be a greater shame.

It’s extremely important to maintain the facades, because we’d lose a lot of what was unique about Brighton.

“If these buildings changed, Brighton wouldn’t look like Brighton any more.”

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7:57am Sat 22 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

It can hardly be one of B&Hs oldest hotels if it has only been open since 2006! This hotel was converted at a time of cheap money and unrealistic financial expectations, after all two years later we were in a financial crisis from which we still have not recovered.

I am struggling a bit to see a change of use from hotel to youth hostel. The difference being the price of a night's stay. I presume planning was required for some physical changes and more capacity? I think is good that accommodation is provided for a variety of prices.
It can hardly be one of B&Hs oldest hotels if it has only been open since 2006! This hotel was converted at a time of cheap money and unrealistic financial expectations, after all two years later we were in a financial crisis from which we still have not recovered. I am struggling a bit to see a change of use from hotel to youth hostel. The difference being the price of a night's stay. I presume planning was required for some physical changes and more capacity? I think is good that accommodation is provided for a variety of prices. HJarrs

8:15am Sat 22 Feb 14

rogerthefish says...

So hotels are failing but party houses are booming so why not a party hotel?
So hotels are failing but party houses are booming so why not a party hotel? rogerthefish

8:54am Sat 22 Feb 14

just Schmoozing says...

HJarrs wrote:
It can hardly be one of B&Hs oldest hotels if it has only been open since 2006! This hotel was converted at a time of cheap money and unrealistic financial expectations, after all two years later we were in a financial crisis from which we still have not recovered.

I am struggling a bit to see a change of use from hotel to youth hostel. The difference being the price of a night's stay. I presume planning was required for some physical changes and more capacity? I think is good that accommodation is provided for a variety of prices.
http://www.mybrighto
nandhove.org.uk/page
_id__6404.aspx

I think you will find that The Royal York Hotel was in fact a hotel way before 2006.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: It can hardly be one of B&Hs oldest hotels if it has only been open since 2006! This hotel was converted at a time of cheap money and unrealistic financial expectations, after all two years later we were in a financial crisis from which we still have not recovered. I am struggling a bit to see a change of use from hotel to youth hostel. The difference being the price of a night's stay. I presume planning was required for some physical changes and more capacity? I think is good that accommodation is provided for a variety of prices.[/p][/quote]http://www.mybrighto nandhove.org.uk/page _id__6404.aspx I think you will find that The Royal York Hotel was in fact a hotel way before 2006. just Schmoozing

9:36am Sat 22 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference.
I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city.
The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story.
Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference. I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city. The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story. Maxwell's Ghost

9:37am Sat 22 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819! Martha Gunn

9:47am Sat 22 Feb 14

rolivan says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference.
I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city.
The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story.
Do you mean backpackers?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference. I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city. The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story.[/p][/quote]Do you mean backpackers? rolivan

9:51am Sat 22 Feb 14

rolivan says...

They should have made the University buy it for accommodation if they want to expand. Where are the extra 5.000 going to live?
They should have made the University buy it for accommodation if they want to expand. Where are the extra 5.000 going to live? rolivan

9:56am Sat 22 Feb 14

kkj says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference.
I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city.
The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story.
Its a YHA Youth Hostel, see here:

http://ww3.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1199915&a
ction=showDetail&APP
LICATION_NUMBER=BH20
13%2F03391

Note also Phelim McCafferty's quoted statement in the article.

"It will be very good to have a YHA hostel in our city once again."
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Is it a YHA or a youth hostel. There is a difference. I recently had a group of young partying relatives stay in a youth hostel in the city which you can find via Trioadvisor. They are crash pads for stag and hens and party goers as you would expect in the centre of the city. The YHA tend to attract a different market of people. It's not clear which it is in the story.[/p][/quote]Its a YHA Youth Hostel, see here: http://ww3.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1199915&a ction=showDetail&APP LICATION_NUMBER=BH20 13%2F03391 Note also Phelim McCafferty's quoted statement in the article. "It will be very good to have a YHA hostel in our city once again." kkj

10:10am Sat 22 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I see his comment but sadly the Green members are hopeless with detail, data and accuracy so you never know if you have the full or correct story. You have to rely on the public or officers or formal application papers for information.
I see his comment but sadly the Green members are hopeless with detail, data and accuracy so you never know if you have the full or correct story. You have to rely on the public or officers or formal application papers for information. Maxwell's Ghost

10:24am Sat 22 Feb 14

clubrob6 says...

Several well run hotels have now closed down and loads of guest houses.I think the impact of the hundred or so party houses is having a massive impact on the hotel and guest house trade.Something needs done urgently as too many hotels and guest houses are being lost due to party houses that are causing massive problems in residential areas with landlords only interested in making quick cash not caring about residents that live near there party houses.At the moment hotels and guest houses have little chance to compete as party houses have very little regulation especially on safety and noise regulation.If something is not done the loss of hotels/guest houses will have a massive impact on our economy on tourist/jobs etcMy friend lives near a party house the noise is all night long as the party goers carry on partying after nightclubs have closed,especially bad in summer where you have large parties of party goers outside shouting/drinking,la
ugthing.Totally in the wrong area in a residential area where families are trying to sleep .
Several well run hotels have now closed down and loads of guest houses.I think the impact of the hundred or so party houses is having a massive impact on the hotel and guest house trade.Something needs done urgently as too many hotels and guest houses are being lost due to party houses that are causing massive problems in residential areas with landlords only interested in making quick cash not caring about residents that live near there party houses.At the moment hotels and guest houses have little chance to compete as party houses have very little regulation especially on safety and noise regulation.If something is not done the loss of hotels/guest houses will have a massive impact on our economy on tourist/jobs etcMy friend lives near a party house the noise is all night long as the party goers carry on partying after nightclubs have closed,especially bad in summer where you have large parties of party goers outside shouting/drinking,la ugthing.Totally in the wrong area in a residential area where families are trying to sleep . clubrob6

11:19am Sat 22 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Reading the article, it would seem to have been council offices for 76 years! It has been a hotel once more for only 8 years.

The hotel seems not to have been viable so a replacement, I think it is great that we are now getting a YHA is such a central place. Good budget accommodation. Pleased to see the YHA is expanding once more.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Reading the article, it would seem to have been council offices for 76 years! It has been a hotel once more for only 8 years. The hotel seems not to have been viable so a replacement, I think it is great that we are now getting a YHA is such a central place. Good budget accommodation. Pleased to see the YHA is expanding once more. HJarrs

11:35am Sat 22 Feb 14

bug eye says...

visitors simply do not want to come to a city where they cannot bring their car and enjoy the surroundings, simple.. self catering accommodation is an option in every city and town, brighton is no different, and they are not all party houses, all I hear in this city from vocal minority groups is ban ban ban ban, .ban party houses ban cars ban estate agent boards ban student landlords, surely better to ban street drinking and drug dealers etc. The council have failed in noise and rubbish management, bring in the tourists reap the economic rewards and then we can afford to keep the city clean and trouble free.
visitors simply do not want to come to a city where they cannot bring their car and enjoy the surroundings, simple.. self catering accommodation is an option in every city and town, brighton is no different, and they are not all party houses, all I hear in this city from vocal minority groups is ban ban ban ban, .ban party houses ban cars ban estate agent boards ban student landlords, surely better to ban street drinking and drug dealers etc. The council have failed in noise and rubbish management, bring in the tourists reap the economic rewards and then we can afford to keep the city clean and trouble free. bug eye

12:13pm Sat 22 Feb 14

cookie_brighton says...

what is it with this council allowing students/teenagers to invade our city..........there was a public house near St Peters Church .....just up the road from this hotel, called Pressure point............thi
s is now an hostel called ......journeys hostel......... then there is the old coop building, then there is the old preston barracks .......and lets not forget that students.......do NOT pay council tax so more students moving into our city.......more council tax for us to pay.......4.75 % next year is a joke.....lets hope this proposed increase never takes place.
what is it with this council allowing students/teenagers to invade our city..........there was a public house near St Peters Church .....just up the road from this hotel, called Pressure point............thi s is now an hostel called ......journeys hostel......... then there is the old coop building, then there is the old preston barracks .......and lets not forget that students.......do NOT pay council tax so more students moving into our city.......more council tax for us to pay.......4.75 % next year is a joke.....lets hope this proposed increase never takes place. cookie_brighton

12:41pm Sat 22 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes?

The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money!

Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes? The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money! Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant? fredflintstone1

7:33pm Sat 22 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes?

The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money!

Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?
The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot!

Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes? The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money! Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?[/p][/quote]The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot! Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it. HJarrs

9:05am Sun 23 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes?

The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money!

Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?
The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot!

Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.
HJarrs or not HJarrs that is the question?

Will the real HJarrs please stand up, please stand up

On a more serious note this story serves to highlight the ongoing damage that the greens are continuing to subject Brighton to and their complete disregard for the city's residents.

It will be great to see economic recovery once the greens, their unwanted. cycle paths, bus lanes and no good hangers on have all gone
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes? The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money! Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?[/p][/quote]The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot! Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.[/p][/quote]HJarrs or not HJarrs that is the question? Will the real HJarrs please stand up, please stand up On a more serious note this story serves to highlight the ongoing damage that the greens are continuing to subject Brighton to and their complete disregard for the city's residents. It will be great to see economic recovery once the greens, their unwanted. cycle paths, bus lanes and no good hangers on have all gone Somethingsarejustwrong

10:13am Sun 23 Feb 14

fredflintstone1 says...

HJarrs wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes?

The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money!

Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?
The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot!

Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.
At least read what I posted and stop trying to spin people's replies. I didn't mention funding from council tax . What you also ignored was the use of the building for a further 111 years during its long history..... Do the maths!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes? The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money! Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?[/p][/quote]The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot! Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.[/p][/quote]At least read what I posted and stop trying to spin people's replies. I didn't mention funding from council tax . What you also ignored was the use of the building for a further 111 years during its long history..... Do the maths! fredflintstone1

11:38am Sun 23 Feb 14

scoobysnax says...

Great another hostel for the local drug addicts. They usually kick them out of the hostel if they are under the influence and they sleep rough in the doorways of the local shops threatening the shop owners in the morning when they want to open up. We have had a major problem with this around Preston St where the council has opened 2 hostels in Regency Square.
They generally just trash the place. Brighton and Hove council sponsored by legal highs.

Who needs hotels in Brighton anyway? Who wants to stay in a dump where the kids wake you up every morning around 3 am fighting on legal highs? Just get a cheap day return from London and don't wast your money on a hotel, you won't get a good night sleep in this town.
Great another hostel for the local drug addicts. They usually kick them out of the hostel if they are under the influence and they sleep rough in the doorways of the local shops threatening the shop owners in the morning when they want to open up. We have had a major problem with this around Preston St where the council has opened 2 hostels in Regency Square. They generally just trash the place. Brighton and Hove council sponsored by legal highs. Who needs hotels in Brighton anyway? Who wants to stay in a dump where the kids wake you up every morning around 3 am fighting on legal highs? Just get a cheap day return from London and don't wast your money on a hotel, you won't get a good night sleep in this town. scoobysnax

4:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

scoobysnax wrote:
Great another hostel for the local drug addicts. They usually kick them out of the hostel if they are under the influence and they sleep rough in the doorways of the local shops threatening the shop owners in the morning when they want to open up. We have had a major problem with this around Preston St where the council has opened 2 hostels in Regency Square.
They generally just trash the place. Brighton and Hove council sponsored by legal highs.

Who needs hotels in Brighton anyway? Who wants to stay in a dump where the kids wake you up every morning around 3 am fighting on legal highs? Just get a cheap day return from London and don't wast your money on a hotel, you won't get a good night sleep in this town.
Nicely summed up

The greens have ruined Brighton and at every opportunity are making the city even worse

At every turn they are making the city less attractive for tourists and residents

Miscreant Marxist wasters
[quote][p][bold]scoobysnax[/bold] wrote: Great another hostel for the local drug addicts. They usually kick them out of the hostel if they are under the influence and they sleep rough in the doorways of the local shops threatening the shop owners in the morning when they want to open up. We have had a major problem with this around Preston St where the council has opened 2 hostels in Regency Square. They generally just trash the place. Brighton and Hove council sponsored by legal highs. Who needs hotels in Brighton anyway? Who wants to stay in a dump where the kids wake you up every morning around 3 am fighting on legal highs? Just get a cheap day return from London and don't wast your money on a hotel, you won't get a good night sleep in this town.[/p][/quote]Nicely summed up The greens have ruined Brighton and at every opportunity are making the city even worse At every turn they are making the city less attractive for tourists and residents Miscreant Marxist wasters Somethingsarejustwrong

8:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

just Schmoozing says...

HJarrs wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Martha Gunn wrote:
We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off.

The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819!
Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes?

The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money!

Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?
The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot!

Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.
We do not pay council tax to fund cycle lanes or bus lanes, we pay council tax to fund services like ... police, fire service and.......Hmmm recycling, rubbish collections which have been far and few whilst the colourful greens have been in power. But hang onto your knickers in next election.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We know that H. Jarrs is incapable of any sort of serious political analysis but one would have thought she could at least manage to read an article properly before sounding off. The Royal York Buildings first opened as a hotel in 1819![/p][/quote]Hardly surprising though, because like most of the Greens, he/she displays no empathy with the city, nor any interest in its history. They want to stamp all over it, as a Green playground, little realising that history is becoming increasingly important in terms of attracting visitors. Otherwise, why not just go to Milton Keynes? The article says it all: this council is only interested in exploiting opportunities to grab cash - getting rid of seafront hotels, chopping down trees in Wild Park for cash, shoving in cycle lanes where they serve no purpose - it's all the same to the Greens, if they can get money! Great to know Green chair Phelim MacCafferty think it will add "to the city's edge." Yawn - why do the Greens think they're so hip when they're just ignorant?[/p][/quote]The building has been a hotel for 8 years and council offices for the previous 76 years. Hardly historic. I suppose you moaners would prefer it to stand empty and rot! Amazing how we always get onto cycle lanes! Whatever the topic, we return to this. How it must pain my cycle hating that cycling in the city is on the up, worse still, hardly any council tax has been spent achieving this! Not that it will stop them banging on about it.[/p][/quote]We do not pay council tax to fund cycle lanes or bus lanes, we pay council tax to fund services like ... police, fire service and.......Hmmm recycling, rubbish collections which have been far and few whilst the colourful greens have been in power. But hang onto your knickers in next election. just Schmoozing

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