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Queues on Brighton's Lewes Road following crash

The Argus: Queues on Brighton's Lewes Road following crash Queues on Brighton's Lewes Road following crash

Commuters travelling into Brighton along the Lewes Road are facing tailbacks this morning following a crash near the Vogue Gyratory.

The road is partially blocked outside Carpet Right, at the junction with Coombe Road, while police and ambulance deal with the accident. 

Brighton and Hove council's live traffic section said that traffic was stationary from Coombe Road all the way to the A27 as a result.

It added that bus and cycle traffic was not as badly affected. 

For live updates, see our traffic and travel section here.

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9:17am Wed 26 Feb 14

brightonaire says...

How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout brightonaire
  • Score: 50

9:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

Atticus says...

Before anyone goes into a rant about the new road layout (as seen on Twitter), it looks like a case of cars driving into a row of stationary traffic. Might have happened anywhere.
Before anyone goes into a rant about the new road layout (as seen on Twitter), it looks like a case of cars driving into a row of stationary traffic. Might have happened anywhere. Atticus
  • Score: -22

9:26am Wed 26 Feb 14

PaulOckenden says...

Did my usual not-so-short-cut through Moulsecoomb and Lower Bevendean, so missed most of the queue. Loads of people seem to take this morning detour these days, it typically shaves a good 10 minutes off the crawl down the Lewes Road.

Some of the pot-holes in Moulsecoomb are VERY impressive. I'm sure the council will soon start getting huge claims for damage to vehicles.
Did my usual not-so-short-cut through Moulsecoomb and Lower Bevendean, so missed most of the queue. Loads of people seem to take this morning detour these days, it typically shaves a good 10 minutes off the crawl down the Lewes Road. Some of the pot-holes in Moulsecoomb are VERY impressive. I'm sure the council will soon start getting huge claims for damage to vehicles. PaulOckenden
  • Score: 21

9:28am Wed 26 Feb 14

shining star says...

Yes brightonaire you are. Traffic accidents happen anywhere.
Yes brightonaire you are. Traffic accidents happen anywhere. shining star
  • Score: -20

10:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Yack says...

brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt. Dan Yack
  • Score: -9

10:29am Wed 26 Feb 14

brightonaire says...

Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place. brightonaire
  • Score: -5

10:49am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Yack says...

brightonaire wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.
I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but...

- Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.[/p][/quote]I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but... - Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years Dan Yack
  • Score: 5

11:01am Wed 26 Feb 14

brightonaire says...

Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.
I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but...

- Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years
The female student was outside the sussex uni slip road...and the other 2 accidents had nothing to do with the road layout... take off your green tinted glasses and see the new layout for what it is... dangerous particularly to pedestrians
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.[/p][/quote]I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but... - Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years[/p][/quote]The female student was outside the sussex uni slip road...and the other 2 accidents had nothing to do with the road layout... take off your green tinted glasses and see the new layout for what it is... dangerous particularly to pedestrians brightonaire
  • Score: 8

11:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

Nick Brighton says...

brightonaire wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.
Try this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-15975720

It shows all fatalities in the UK from 1999-2010. It shows 3 fatalities on the Lewes Road between the Gyratory and the junction with the by-pass. Unfortunately the map does not show data since that time.
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.[/p][/quote]Try this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-15975720 It shows all fatalities in the UK from 1999-2010. It shows 3 fatalities on the Lewes Road between the Gyratory and the junction with the by-pass. Unfortunately the map does not show data since that time. Nick Brighton
  • Score: 4

11:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Yack says...

So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.
So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal. Dan Yack
  • Score: -1

11:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

Dan Yack says...

Dan Yack wrote:
So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.
That was to brightonaire btw
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.[/p][/quote]That was to brightonaire btw Dan Yack
  • Score: 0

11:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.
I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but...

- Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years
you missed out the young woman in the last six weeks hit by a bus
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.[/p][/quote]I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but... - Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years[/p][/quote]you missed out the young woman in the last six weeks hit by a bus whatevernext2013
  • Score: 7

11:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types

The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings).

That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now
The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings). That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now NickBtn
  • Score: 27

12:03pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Atticus wrote:
Before anyone goes into a rant about the new road layout (as seen on Twitter), it looks like a case of cars driving into a row of stationary traffic. Might have happened anywhere.
Agreed but haven't the Green's been using safety as a reason for installing the bus and cycle lanes on the Lewes Road yet we've already had one fatality and any number of 'fender benders' due to congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Atticus[/bold] wrote: Before anyone goes into a rant about the new road layout (as seen on Twitter), it looks like a case of cars driving into a row of stationary traffic. Might have happened anywhere.[/p][/quote]Agreed but haven't the Green's been using safety as a reason for installing the bus and cycle lanes on the Lewes Road yet we've already had one fatality and any number of 'fender benders' due to congestion. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 7

12:06pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
You may feel safer but I doubt that many pedestrians walking near Brighton college feel safe with the students still insisting on cycling on the pavement rather than have the inconvenience of crossing the road to the southbound cycle lane.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]You may feel safer but I doubt that many pedestrians walking near Brighton college feel safe with the students still insisting on cycling on the pavement rather than have the inconvenience of crossing the road to the southbound cycle lane. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

fanxtony says...

On a slightly different subject ..... but still on Lewes Road ..... I notice daily the buses no. 28 and 29 ..... both limited stop ....... seem to weave in and out of the bus lane so as to pass other buses that have stopped at bus stops ..... not to mention taxis doing the same ..... I thought it was illegal to cross the thick bus lane line? ....
On a slightly different subject ..... but still on Lewes Road ..... I notice daily the buses no. 28 and 29 ..... both limited stop ....... seem to weave in and out of the bus lane so as to pass other buses that have stopped at bus stops ..... not to mention taxis doing the same ..... I thought it was illegal to cross the thick bus lane line? .... fanxtony
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

darcyp says...

Dan Yack says...


brightonaire wrote:

Dan Yack wrote:

brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but...

- Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually.

- Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years

If my memory service me right the female student fell of her bike infront of traffic,there were questions about the width of the cycle lane.
Dan Yack says... brightonaire wrote: Dan Yack wrote: brightonaire wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.Ok...... state when and where these 'fatalities' on the Lewes Road took place.I don't know the dates and I think it's somewhat tasteless to argue about this but... - Motorcycle went off the road at the bottom of Wild Park about a dozen years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Pedestrian was hit by a car on the pedestrian crossing south of the viaduct 3 or 4 years ago, there's still flowers left on the tree there annually. - Female student on a bike was hit by a car near the A27 flyover within the last two years If my memory service me right the female student fell of her bike infront of traffic,there were questions about the width of the cycle lane. darcyp
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Roundbill says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
brightonaire wrote:
How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout
In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.
You may feel safer but I doubt that many pedestrians walking near Brighton college feel safe with the students still insisting on cycling on the pavement rather than have the inconvenience of crossing the road to the southbound cycle lane.
Why are you bringing a completely different "improvement" scheme into this debate? The work on that section of Eastern Road has not even begun yet.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: How many more crashes, serious injuries and deaths will it take before the Council realise how incredibly dangerous the Lewes Road has become as a result of the new 'improvements'... or am I just one of the 'moanerati' who doesn't like the new layout[/p][/quote]In the dozen or so years that I've been commuting along Lewes Road between the Vogue Gyratory and Falmer, I can think of at least three fatalities that occurred before the bus lane was installed (one motorcyclist, one cyclist, one pedestrian) and I passed the scene of at least five or six accidents. Was the road safe back then? I'd say that was debatable. Does it feel safer now on a bicycle? Without a doubt.[/p][/quote]You may feel safer but I doubt that many pedestrians walking near Brighton college feel safe with the students still insisting on cycling on the pavement rather than have the inconvenience of crossing the road to the southbound cycle lane.[/p][/quote]Why are you bringing a completely different "improvement" scheme into this debate? The work on that section of Eastern Road has not even begun yet. Roundbill
  • Score: 5

3:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

s_james says...

NickBtn wrote:
The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types

The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings).

That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now
I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings). That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now[/p][/quote]I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive. s_james
  • Score: -3

4:28pm Wed 26 Feb 14

brightonaire says...

Dan Yack wrote:
So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.
I don't think you'd have the same opinion about the highly dangerous Lewes Road if that had been your daughter killed last month..... and the fatalities you're quoting have nothing to do with the road layout... but then you'd have absolutely no idea of the devastating consequences of these incidents would you, you absolute cretin?
[quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.[/p][/quote]I don't think you'd have the same opinion about the highly dangerous Lewes Road if that had been your daughter killed last month..... and the fatalities you're quoting have nothing to do with the road layout... but then you'd have absolutely no idea of the devastating consequences of these incidents would you, you absolute cretin? brightonaire
  • Score: -2

4:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

NickBtn says...

s_james wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types

The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings).

That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now
I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.
Public transport isn't always available or viable - many of those commuting into work wouldn't be able to start their journey that way. However I agree that when they get to Lewes Road and beyond a bus would be the best way for everyone - and create less pollution. However to make this work there would need to be a park and ride location somewhere along Lewes Road. Unbelievably the greens have blocked this

On your point of punctuality the bus company are not claiming this. When asked recently their new MD said that they were "awaiting data". As they are an up to date, high tech, company I suspect that they get the data each day - it's just not saying what they want yet!

I am a regular bus user as well as a cyclist and a car driver. I think a mix of transport is required and planning should allow for people and their needs (eg. those living in villages who need to get to Brighton but can't do this by public transport). The greens have been very disappointing on this - just anti car (even to the extent of blocking park and ride)
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings). That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now[/p][/quote]I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.[/p][/quote]Public transport isn't always available or viable - many of those commuting into work wouldn't be able to start their journey that way. However I agree that when they get to Lewes Road and beyond a bus would be the best way for everyone - and create less pollution. However to make this work there would need to be a park and ride location somewhere along Lewes Road. Unbelievably the greens have blocked this On your point of punctuality the bus company are not claiming this. When asked recently their new MD said that they were "awaiting data". As they are an up to date, high tech, company I suspect that they get the data each day - it's just not saying what they want yet! I am a regular bus user as well as a cyclist and a car driver. I think a mix of transport is required and planning should allow for people and their needs (eg. those living in villages who need to get to Brighton but can't do this by public transport). The greens have been very disappointing on this - just anti car (even to the extent of blocking park and ride) NickBtn
  • Score: 7

5:10pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

brightonaire wrote:
Dan Yack wrote:
So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.
I don't think you'd have the same opinion about the highly dangerous Lewes Road if that had been your daughter killed last month..... and the fatalities you're quoting have nothing to do with the road layout... but then you'd have absolutely no idea of the devastating consequences of these incidents would you, you absolute cretin?
What has the road layout got to do with the fatality on Lewes Road last month? My understanding was that the person ran out in front of a bus.
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Yack[/bold] wrote: So previous accidents had nothing to do with the old layout, but current accidents are all totally because of the new layout? Mmmkay. Funny you're an expert now when your previous post disputed whether or not the victims were actually dead or not. Keep huffing the fumes pal.[/p][/quote]I don't think you'd have the same opinion about the highly dangerous Lewes Road if that had been your daughter killed last month..... and the fatalities you're quoting have nothing to do with the road layout... but then you'd have absolutely no idea of the devastating consequences of these incidents would you, you absolute cretin?[/p][/quote]What has the road layout got to do with the fatality on Lewes Road last month? My understanding was that the person ran out in front of a bus. Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

A friends mother was in one of the cars hit today, a driver has a fit and crashed into several cars, that's got nothing to do with lewes road other than several bad injuries in other cars.
But I agree the whole road structure in brighton is meant to slow everyone down and think bus is quicker!
A friends mother was in one of the cars hit today, a driver has a fit and crashed into several cars, that's got nothing to do with lewes road other than several bad injuries in other cars. But I agree the whole road structure in brighton is meant to slow everyone down and think bus is quicker! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:57pm Wed 26 Feb 14

TonE60 says...

s_james wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types

The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings).

That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now
I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.
Don't know what bus you get, but whenever I try to get a bus at the junction with Coldean Lane at peak times, the Buses are often so full that passengers are standing right up by the driver. I've also waited half an hour for a Bus, only to have 3 or 4 turn up together!
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings). That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now[/p][/quote]I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.[/p][/quote]Don't know what bus you get, but whenever I try to get a bus at the junction with Coldean Lane at peak times, the Buses are often so full that passengers are standing right up by the driver. I've also waited half an hour for a Bus, only to have 3 or 4 turn up together! TonE60
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Thu 27 Feb 14

s_james says...

NickBtn wrote:
s_james wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types

The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings).

That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now
I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.
Public transport isn't always available or viable - many of those commuting into work wouldn't be able to start their journey that way. However I agree that when they get to Lewes Road and beyond a bus would be the best way for everyone - and create less pollution. However to make this work there would need to be a park and ride location somewhere along Lewes Road. Unbelievably the greens have blocked this

On your point of punctuality the bus company are not claiming this. When asked recently their new MD said that they were "awaiting data". As they are an up to date, high tech, company I suspect that they get the data each day - it's just not saying what they want yet!

I am a regular bus user as well as a cyclist and a car driver. I think a mix of transport is required and planning should allow for people and their needs (eg. those living in villages who need to get to Brighton but can't do this by public transport). The greens have been very disappointing on this - just anti car (even to the extent of blocking park and ride)
I agree not everyone can take public transport, which is why I said those that can should be encouraged to do so, leaving space on the road for people that have to drive. Park and ride would be a good idea but there isn’t anywhere for it to go – I think Waterhall was previously suggested but that’s in the National Park now so ruled out and no use for Lewes Road anyway. On punctuality, I’m not claiming to have ‘data’, but from my experience between 8 and 9am buses uses to be stuck in queues from The Avenue to the bus garage, now they sail up the bus lane, saving 10 mins or so at a guess.

To the chap above regarding waiting 30 mins for a bus – I’m very very surprised as the 25 runs every five minutes, and the 28/29 every 10 minutes, plus there’s the 24 from that stop too
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The Lewes Road is slower now than it was for both buses and cars. Punctuality on buses has not improved. Yes the cycle lane is a good idea but this could have been done without the need for a dedicated bus lane. Leaving the cycle lane as is and making the bus lane dual use should improve traffic flow of all types The current scheme isn't working well for anyone. Yes the cycle lane is better but now more polluted too due to the standing traffic. Get the cars and buses moving again, make the inside lane all traffic once more (as worked while the road was being built for nearly a year!). Simple and quick to do (cover up the signs, remove some road markings). That way we can keep the improved cycle lane, get cars and buses moving again, reduce pollution. Also reduces frustration which can cause accidents. There have been many minor as well as severe accidents along this "improved" stretch for pedestrians, cyclists and car/van/lorry drivers. Lets make it safer and less polluted by making these changes now[/p][/quote]I commute by bus along that road and I can say for certain that punctuality at peak times has improved no end. I fully support the changes. Its amazing how many cars that are passed by the bus just have one person in them. The bus probably has 50 people on board - how much space on the road would those 50 people take up if they all drove their own car in Brighton every day? Its the right thing to do to encourage people on to public transport, leaving more road space for those that have to drive.[/p][/quote]Public transport isn't always available or viable - many of those commuting into work wouldn't be able to start their journey that way. However I agree that when they get to Lewes Road and beyond a bus would be the best way for everyone - and create less pollution. However to make this work there would need to be a park and ride location somewhere along Lewes Road. Unbelievably the greens have blocked this On your point of punctuality the bus company are not claiming this. When asked recently their new MD said that they were "awaiting data". As they are an up to date, high tech, company I suspect that they get the data each day - it's just not saying what they want yet! I am a regular bus user as well as a cyclist and a car driver. I think a mix of transport is required and planning should allow for people and their needs (eg. those living in villages who need to get to Brighton but can't do this by public transport). The greens have been very disappointing on this - just anti car (even to the extent of blocking park and ride)[/p][/quote]I agree not everyone can take public transport, which is why I said those that can should be encouraged to do so, leaving space on the road for people that have to drive. Park and ride would be a good idea but there isn’t anywhere for it to go – I think Waterhall was previously suggested but that’s in the National Park now so ruled out and no use for Lewes Road anyway. On punctuality, I’m not claiming to have ‘data’, but from my experience between 8 and 9am buses uses to be stuck in queues from The Avenue to the bus garage, now they sail up the bus lane, saving 10 mins or so at a guess. To the chap above regarding waiting 30 mins for a bus – I’m very very surprised as the 25 runs every five minutes, and the 28/29 every 10 minutes, plus there’s the 24 from that stop too s_james
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Thu 27 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Traffic jams will always cause this sort of accident Biggest problem is itr leaves other vehicles with no where to go to avoid the blockage
Well done Davey the boost to pollution figures will help you get more anti motorists policies
just what you wanted you useless ....
less than 15 months to go
Traffic jams will always cause this sort of accident Biggest problem is itr leaves other vehicles with no where to go to avoid the blockage Well done Davey the boost to pollution figures will help you get more anti motorists policies just what you wanted you useless .... less than 15 months to go upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 1

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