Deadlock over council tax in Brighton and Hove despite six hour meeting

Deadlock over council tax in Brighton and Hove despite six hour meeting

Deadlock over council tax in Brighton and Hove despite six hour meeting

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Brighton and Hove City councillors were stuck in deadlock over budget plans as they failed to come to an agreement last night.

With all sides in a stalemate after the first round of voting council leaders tried in vain to force through a compromise, which almost sawan agreement on Labour’s budget choice of a 2% rise.

It was a bad night for the Green contingent, which sawall their budget amendments voted down as well as seeing their plans for a 4.75% referendum go down in flames.

The political pantomime was in full swing during the debate with each side laying out their plans while labelling the others a danger to the city’s services and financial future.

The Conservative Party claimed the first victory of the night after seeing their amendment to allocate £25,000 of unallocated reserves put aside for the city’s Pride event.

Labour claimed an early victory when their amendment to provide £120,000 of interim funding for Able & Willing was carried by 31 votes to 19.

But each side made the most of the nearly three-hour debate to argue the point for their budget plans.

Green party and council leader Jason Kitcat argued that his party’s plan for a nearly 5 per cent increase was the only way to save the city’s adult social care services, which he said would be “in crisis in the next two years”.

Bringing a rousing round of applause from his own members he said: “For me the sign of our community is how we care for the vulnerable, elderly and disabled.”

Conservative leader Geoffrey Theobald said: “This must be the longest running council tax debate in our history.

“We’ve shown as a party how we can freeze council tax and put more back into a number of services. We’re against both the costly increases.

“I won’t allow them to vote for this when I believe the majority want a freeze.”

Labour leader Warren Morgan said the Conservative plan would lead to further cuts down the line while accusing the Greens of pushing for a council tax referendum as a gimmick to put on their election leaflets.

He said: “With the cost involved if you let the referendum go through all that will happen is you will incur costs of £900,000 only to arrive back where we were in the first place and a council tax budget of 2%.

“That money should be spent on what residents need now”

With all sides going back and forth the chance of a quick solution vanished when each party had their initial plan voted down.

And with the time burning away efforts to find a political compromise failed to get the budget through and they will have to try again in a week’s time.

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10:19am Fri 28 Feb 14

menton says...

Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance.
Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance. menton
  • Score: 23

10:35am Fri 28 Feb 14

clubrob6 says...

Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.
Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time. clubrob6
  • Score: 11

10:47am Fri 28 Feb 14

gheese77 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.
Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money.

Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit
So something has to be cut
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.[/p][/quote]Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money. Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit So something has to be cut gheese77
  • Score: -15

10:55am Fri 28 Feb 14

Eugenius says...

What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come. Eugenius
  • Score: -30

11:08am Fri 28 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman. Fight_Back
  • Score: 31

11:09am Fri 28 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

The strutting swaggering departure of some of the Green contingent from the Council last night told the whole story.

Once they knew they couldn't get their own way they had decided to wreck the entire proceedings. Such is the nature of the beast with which we have to deal.

The people of Brighton and Hove have seen through this dreadful Green experiment. But the question remains - how did some of these Green councillors (and their MP) ever find a place in public life for which they are quite unsuited? Answer: Because they won elections - Let's all make sure that can never happen again.
The strutting swaggering departure of some of the Green contingent from the Council last night told the whole story. Once they knew they couldn't get their own way they had decided to wreck the entire proceedings. Such is the nature of the beast with which we have to deal. The people of Brighton and Hove have seen through this dreadful Green experiment. But the question remains - how did some of these Green councillors (and their MP) ever find a place in public life for which they are quite unsuited? Answer: Because they won elections - Let's all make sure that can never happen again. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 32

11:10am Fri 28 Feb 14

Lady Smith says...

gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.
Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money.

Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit
So something has to be cut
By 2020, there will be no more government grants to local authorities.
All services - social services, schools, libraries, recreational - will have to be paid for from local resources.

Fact.

Which means the Tories tired old 'no council tax rises' promise will be redundant - something they know, but refuse to publicly acknowledge.

I am not a Green voter, but their opponents are fully exploiting this situation to score cheap political points in the run-up to next year's local elections, knowing full well that they will also be faced with the same stark choice:
raise council tax or cut services.
So maybe people should stop the easy name-calling and calls for resignations, etc, and start facing the facts.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.[/p][/quote]Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money. Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit So something has to be cut[/p][/quote]By 2020, there will be no more government grants to local authorities. All services - social services, schools, libraries, recreational - will have to be paid for from local resources. Fact. Which means the Tories tired old 'no council tax rises' promise will be redundant - something they know, but refuse to publicly acknowledge. I am not a Green voter, but their opponents are fully exploiting this situation to score cheap political points in the run-up to next year's local elections, knowing full well that they will also be faced with the same stark choice: raise council tax or cut services. So maybe people should stop the easy name-calling and calls for resignations, etc, and start facing the facts. Lady Smith
  • Score: 5

11:12am Fri 28 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

they may not get a 4.75% council tax rise but they have just put up rents by 5.43%, thats another kick in the teeth for the low paid in brighton
they may not get a 4.75% council tax rise but they have just put up rents by 5.43%, thats another kick in the teeth for the low paid in brighton whatevernext2013
  • Score: 17

11:13am Fri 28 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.
They 'vandalised' the bowling greens because the city cant afford the upkeep - if we want pristine bowling greens and to maintain jobs and services and everything else we want then a 4.75% council tax is necessary otherwise cuts will bite deeper and deeper into the very fabric of the city!
Or do you really not understand this?!!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.[/p][/quote]They 'vandalised' the bowling greens because the city cant afford the upkeep - if we want pristine bowling greens and to maintain jobs and services and everything else we want then a 4.75% council tax is necessary otherwise cuts will bite deeper and deeper into the very fabric of the city! Or do you really not understand this?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -26

11:17am Fri 28 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

Lady Smith wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.
Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money.

Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit
So something has to be cut
By 2020, there will be no more government grants to local authorities.
All services - social services, schools, libraries, recreational - will have to be paid for from local resources.

Fact.

Which means the Tories tired old 'no council tax rises' promise will be redundant - something they know, but refuse to publicly acknowledge.

I am not a Green voter, but their opponents are fully exploiting this situation to score cheap political points in the run-up to next year's local elections, knowing full well that they will also be faced with the same stark choice:
raise council tax or cut services.
So maybe people should stop the easy name-calling and calls for resignations, etc, and start facing the facts.
Care to reference this so called "fact" ? Just because you type the word "fact" doesn't make it so.
[quote][p][bold]Lady Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Politics is a mess in the UK these days,like it or not the greens were voted in.Yes they have made a mess of things wasting money on what they see as green issues like 20MPH,yes they have wasted money by vandalising several bowling greens around the city.The list is endless but the other parties should realise they were NOT voted in.I would not mind a rise in council tax if the money went onto saving social services for our elderly and disabled and genuinely sick and not on stupid green issues like planting wild flowers on what used to be bowling greens.All parties should remember they are representing the tax payers and stop acting like the fools in Westminster during prime ministers question time.[/p][/quote]Letting wild flowers grow on bowling greens probably saves money. Unfortunately councils nationwide are facing massive cuts in grant from Whitehall, with B & H being especially hard hit So something has to be cut[/p][/quote]By 2020, there will be no more government grants to local authorities. All services - social services, schools, libraries, recreational - will have to be paid for from local resources. Fact. Which means the Tories tired old 'no council tax rises' promise will be redundant - something they know, but refuse to publicly acknowledge. I am not a Green voter, but their opponents are fully exploiting this situation to score cheap political points in the run-up to next year's local elections, knowing full well that they will also be faced with the same stark choice: raise council tax or cut services. So maybe people should stop the easy name-calling and calls for resignations, etc, and start facing the facts.[/p][/quote]Care to reference this so called "fact" ? Just because you type the word "fact" doesn't make it so. Fight_Back
  • Score: 8

11:18am Fri 28 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.[/p][/quote]Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -13

11:20am Fri 28 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!!
You clearly don't appreciate what the Greens have done for this city then.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.[/p][/quote]Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!![/p][/quote]You clearly don't appreciate what the Greens have done for this city then. Fight_Back
  • Score: -7

11:50am Fri 28 Feb 14

ThinkBrighton says...

menton wrote:
Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance.
Decent? This man is having fun, drawing over £30,000.00 a year to run the City into the ground, and the Labour and Conservatives not having the guts to unite for once for the good of the town, at the next election the people of Brighton & Hove have got to remember what hell this council has put them through, not only the greens but the other parties for being completely gutless and letting the greens cause such havoc in the city
[quote][p][bold]menton[/bold] wrote: Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Decent? This man is having fun, drawing over £30,000.00 a year to run the City into the ground, and the Labour and Conservatives not having the guts to unite for once for the good of the town, at the next election the people of Brighton & Hove have got to remember what hell this council has put them through, not only the greens but the other parties for being completely gutless and letting the greens cause such havoc in the city ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 20

11:56am Fri 28 Feb 14

theidiotsarewinning... says...

Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics… theidiotsarewinning...
  • Score: -14

11:59am Fri 28 Feb 14

Richada says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
menton wrote:
Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance.
Decent? This man is having fun, drawing over £30,000.00 a year to run the City into the ground, and the Labour and Conservatives not having the guts to unite for once for the good of the town, at the next election the people of Brighton & Hove have got to remember what hell this council has put them through, not only the greens but the other parties for being completely gutless and letting the greens cause such havoc in the city
Couldn't agree more!

The whole charade is shameful. The budget meeting last night was fascinating - just wish that the majority of the electorate watched these webcasts, our council would, I think, look very different indeed if they did.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]menton[/bold] wrote: Now do the decent thing. Mr Kitcat. Resign. Your plans are in tatters - and a good thing too. I can't wait to get you all out next year. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Decent? This man is having fun, drawing over £30,000.00 a year to run the City into the ground, and the Labour and Conservatives not having the guts to unite for once for the good of the town, at the next election the people of Brighton & Hove have got to remember what hell this council has put them through, not only the greens but the other parties for being completely gutless and letting the greens cause such havoc in the city[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! The whole charade is shameful. The budget meeting last night was fascinating - just wish that the majority of the electorate watched these webcasts, our council would, I think, look very different indeed if they did. Richada
  • Score: 13

12:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

They are all as bad as each other more interested in doing each other down than sorting anything out
They are all as bad as each other more interested in doing each other down than sorting anything out Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 9

12:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Thay Qon U says...

I wonder if the Green Party were reluctant to continue the debate as they had more urgent focus on getting to the Green Party Spring Conference in Liverpool which begins this morning?

One of the conference sessions is titled " Being a Green Councillor, Mistakes I have made" - could this speaker be anyone from BHCC?
I wonder if the Green Party were reluctant to continue the debate as they had more urgent focus on getting to the Green Party Spring Conference in Liverpool which begins this morning? One of the conference sessions is titled " Being a Green Councillor, Mistakes I have made" - could this speaker be anyone from BHCC? Thay Qon U
  • Score: 14

1:04pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Tippy Toes says...

Fight_Back wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!!
You clearly don't appreciate what the Greens have done for this city then.
I don't people on here understood your sarcasm!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.[/p][/quote]Perhaps its because national politics and the failings of the main parties are having a DIRECT detrimental effect on local government policies and are lifestyles NOW and will continue to do so in the future but you keep voting for the parties that have ****** up this country - well done!![/p][/quote]You clearly don't appreciate what the Greens have done for this city then.[/p][/quote]I don't people on here understood your sarcasm! Tippy Toes
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Number Six says...

theidiotsarewinning.
..
wrote:
Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting.

Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics
[quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…[/p][/quote]I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting. Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics Number Six
  • Score: 3

1:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Mark63 says...

The rag-tag bunch of greens need to go back to their fields and let the grown-ups get on with it. They are totally unsuited to running a city - let them run middle-englandshire.
.. Here we need forward thinking, dynamic, open-minded, visionary types who can drag this place kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, not back to the 19th Century where some seem to want it to return(and rot).... My tag line for everything about the greens too is - stop punishing drivers every which-way!
The rag-tag bunch of greens need to go back to their fields and let the grown-ups get on with it. They are totally unsuited to running a city - let them run middle-englandshire. .. Here we need forward thinking, dynamic, open-minded, visionary types who can drag this place kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, not back to the 19th Century where some seem to want it to return(and rot).... My tag line for everything about the greens too is - stop punishing drivers every which-way! Mark63
  • Score: 8

1:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Warren Morgan says...

I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan.
wordpress.com/2014/0
2/28/a-labour-agenda
-for-local-governmen
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I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/ Warren Morgan
  • Score: 4

1:49pm Fri 28 Feb 14

theidiotsarewinning... says...

Number Six wrote:
theidiotsarewinning.

..
wrote:
Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting.

Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics
I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not.
Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words...
I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them.
The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart...
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…[/p][/quote]I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting. Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics[/p][/quote]I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not. Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words... I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them. The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart... theidiotsarewinning...
  • Score: -4

2:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Richada says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
So glad I wasn't the only one - it's the first time I've shouted at my laptop!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.[/p][/quote]So glad I wasn't the only one - it's the first time I've shouted at my laptop! Richada
  • Score: 12

2:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is)

Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut.

Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.
It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is) Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut. Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 15

2:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Thay Qon U wrote:
I wonder if the Green Party were reluctant to continue the debate as they had more urgent focus on getting to the Green Party Spring Conference in Liverpool which begins this morning?

One of the conference sessions is titled " Being a Green Councillor, Mistakes I have made" - could this speaker be anyone from BHCC?
while they are away lets remove the 20 mph zones and close the road so they can t get back in
[quote][p][bold]Thay Qon U[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the Green Party were reluctant to continue the debate as they had more urgent focus on getting to the Green Party Spring Conference in Liverpool which begins this morning? One of the conference sessions is titled " Being a Green Councillor, Mistakes I have made" - could this speaker be anyone from BHCC?[/p][/quote]while they are away lets remove the 20 mph zones and close the road so they can t get back in whatevernext2013
  • Score: 7

2:54pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Richada says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is)

Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut.

Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.
A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more.

One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is) Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut. Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.[/p][/quote]A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more. One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer. Richada
  • Score: 10

2:57pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Richada says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan.

wordpress.com/2014/0

2/28/a-labour-agenda

-for-local-governmen

t/
"Your" i360 was the highlight of the proceedings, many thanks for that!
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/[/p][/quote]"Your" i360 was the highlight of the proceedings, many thanks for that! Richada
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Fri 28 Feb 14

stir up says...

somebody must have voted for the greens for them to have taken over the council. I am not sure of the turnout of people who voted but if some 30% did so and the greens got a majority that means that they were voted in by only about 16% + of those allowed to vote. this just highlights the need to make voting compulsory as it is in Australia. Only then can any party be said to be representative.
Do vote them out next time but be careful of what you wish for and really so watch out for the Labour party manoeuvring over the next few weeks.
somebody must have voted for the greens for them to have taken over the council. I am not sure of the turnout of people who voted but if some 30% did so and the greens got a majority that means that they were voted in by only about 16% + of those allowed to vote. this just highlights the need to make voting compulsory as it is in Australia. Only then can any party be said to be representative. Do vote them out next time but be careful of what you wish for and really so watch out for the Labour party manoeuvring over the next few weeks. stir up
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Fri 28 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Richada wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is)

Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut.

Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.
A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more.

One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer.
Other papers allow discussion but since the green party got in, The Argus doesn't. I think the debate does sometimes descend into insults but it should just be moderated.

In my view, no amount of middle class posturing will change things to improve travellers' lives. Really, it is down the younger generation of travellers - some of whom are getting an education - to change things from within. They live outside of mainstream society by choice and I do actually respect that choice, but we shouldn't give them more allowances than anyone else in society. I would not be allowed to camp on a school playing field, for example.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is) Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut. Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.[/p][/quote]A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more. One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer.[/p][/quote]Other papers allow discussion but since the green party got in, The Argus doesn't. I think the debate does sometimes descend into insults but it should just be moderated. In my view, no amount of middle class posturing will change things to improve travellers' lives. Really, it is down the younger generation of travellers - some of whom are getting an education - to change things from within. They live outside of mainstream society by choice and I do actually respect that choice, but we shouldn't give them more allowances than anyone else in society. I would not be allowed to camp on a school playing field, for example. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 8

3:18pm Fri 28 Feb 14

rolivan says...

theidiotsarewinning.
..
wrote:
Number Six wrote:
theidiotsarewinning.


..
wrote:
Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting.

Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics
I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not.
Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words...
I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them.
The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart...
The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of
"how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart."
So if they are as you say to which I totally agree why are you supporting the Greens?
[quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…[/p][/quote]I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting. Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics[/p][/quote]I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not. Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words... I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them. The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart...[/p][/quote]The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of "how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart." So if they are as you say to which I totally agree why are you supporting the Greens? rolivan
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Richada says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Richada wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is)

Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut.

Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.
A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more.

One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer.
Other papers allow discussion but since the green party got in, The Argus doesn't. I think the debate does sometimes descend into insults but it should just be moderated.

In my view, no amount of middle class posturing will change things to improve travellers' lives. Really, it is down the younger generation of travellers - some of whom are getting an education - to change things from within. They live outside of mainstream society by choice and I do actually respect that choice, but we shouldn't give them more allowances than anyone else in society. I would not be allowed to camp on a school playing field, for example.
Sadly the likes of Ms Wakefield spouting statistics that we've all seen on "Gypsy weddings" is I believe, contrary to their cause too.

Fair doos for all is all the majority of us expect, treating the travellers as some kind of deprived minority just doesn't wash with the man in the street.

By definition the word "traveller" infers that they are an itinerant population which makes provision of services tricky to say the least. In many cases they simply do not want services anyway.......you can lead a horse to water and all that.

As you point out they do make this choice and we all have to respect that, however, like the rest of society they should be expected to conform to the rules and laws of the land.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: It is worth watching the footage of council meetings. I had a skim through and my god, Liz Wakefield is so rude and unprofessional. In fact, Jason Kitcat is probably the most mature out of the lot of them (the Greens that is) Liz, believe it or not, people do not want to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds so that travellers can trash our parks - leaving their crap everywhere. I'm pretty liberal but I really get irritated about the traveller issue because respect should go both ways. When you see the piles of rubbish - despite bins being provided - and are threatened for walking in your local park because it has been taken over by these people, it is very hard to feel any respect or sympathy for them. Plus they have more money than me - judging by their new cars and quad bikes - so I don't see why I should pay to support them. Especially when budgets for social care are being cut. Comment will probably be deleted for mentioning those who must not be discussed.[/p][/quote]A thumbs up then before it is - again, couldn't agree more. One can only wonder at the Argus not allowing comments on issues to do with the traveller community - although if Ms Wakefield's performance last night was anything to go by, maybe I need wonder no longer.[/p][/quote]Other papers allow discussion but since the green party got in, The Argus doesn't. I think the debate does sometimes descend into insults but it should just be moderated. In my view, no amount of middle class posturing will change things to improve travellers' lives. Really, it is down the younger generation of travellers - some of whom are getting an education - to change things from within. They live outside of mainstream society by choice and I do actually respect that choice, but we shouldn't give them more allowances than anyone else in society. I would not be allowed to camp on a school playing field, for example.[/p][/quote]Sadly the likes of Ms Wakefield spouting statistics that we've all seen on "Gypsy weddings" is I believe, contrary to their cause too. Fair doos for all is all the majority of us expect, treating the travellers as some kind of deprived minority just doesn't wash with the man in the street. By definition the word "traveller" infers that they are an itinerant population which makes provision of services tricky to say the least. In many cases they simply do not want services anyway.......you can lead a horse to water and all that. As you point out they do make this choice and we all have to respect that, however, like the rest of society they should be expected to conform to the rules and laws of the land. Richada
  • Score: 8

3:57pm Fri 28 Feb 14

theidiotsarewinning... says...

rolivan wrote:
theidiotsarewinning.

..
wrote:
Number Six wrote:
theidiotsarewinning.



..
wrote:
Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting.

Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics
I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not.
Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words...
I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them.
The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart...
The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of
"how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart."
So if they are as you say to which I totally agree why are you supporting the Greens?
I am not supporting the Greens, and I disagree with a number of their policies - the 20mph is ridiculous and actually increases pollution - as for the bus lanes on Lewes road - do the Greens think that all those now queueing cars don't belch out much more pollution now they are restricted to one lane, whilst the buses sail by with three people on them?.
I don't vote for them and could see myself having arguments with them should they come canvassing, however, I don't feel animosity towards them like I do other politicians though, because they appear to be good well intentioned people who actually have integrity.
Perhaps I have worded my comment badly. What I am saying is that my feeling is that they have integrity and that is worthy of respect.
Integrity is as rare as hen's teeth in politics...
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…[/p][/quote]I'm struggling to see what this has to do with last night's meeting. Still, with your propensity for irrelevant waffle you have a great career awaiting in politics[/p][/quote]I'll spell it out for you - the Green party are constantly receiving flak, yet they seem to genuinely care about people. I'm not talking about their policies, rather them as individuals and as a party. They seem to have integrity, something which the Tories, Labour and the Liberals have proven over and over again that they do not. Integrity is a big issue, perhaps the biggest for any voter - otherwise its just words... I respect integrity and when I think I see it in others I warm to them. The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart...[/p][/quote]The long-winded comment I wrote earlier on this is intended to provide a few examples of "how thoroughly dishonest and self-serving politicians are, and how most of them simply don't have anyones, but their own interests at heart." So if they are as you say to which I totally agree why are you supporting the Greens?[/p][/quote]I am not supporting the Greens, and I disagree with a number of their policies - the 20mph is ridiculous and actually increases pollution - as for the bus lanes on Lewes road - do the Greens think that all those now queueing cars don't belch out much more pollution now they are restricted to one lane, whilst the buses sail by with three people on them?. I don't vote for them and could see myself having arguments with them should they come canvassing, however, I don't feel animosity towards them like I do other politicians though, because they appear to be good well intentioned people who actually have integrity. Perhaps I have worded my comment badly. What I am saying is that my feeling is that they have integrity and that is worthy of respect. Integrity is as rare as hen's teeth in politics... theidiotsarewinning...
  • Score: -2

5:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/
Respect for posting under your own name always
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: I've put what I said in the debate last night on my blog. http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/[/p][/quote]Respect for posting under your own name always Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 8

9:29pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis.

Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda.

Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.
Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze.

As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.
Interesting to hear of the Greens behaviour but not really surprising, after all they are a bunch of over grown schoolchildren practising the politics of the playground. Wonder if Jason's dad is bigger than Geoffrey's or Warren's ?

One way to cut the traveller budget is to ensure they cannot effect illegal entry anywhere within the council's area and, if they happen to do so, use the full force of the law to deal with them quickly. These people need to understand respect works both ways and if they show us two fingers then they get them back with interest. Actually I feel really sorry for the council staff who have to clear up after these ignoramuses once they have spread their excrement wherever they like.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: What is frustrating is that Labour now admit that the tax freeze in 2012 was a mistake which has left the council £4m worse off each year, admit that their one-off budget proposals this year would mean worse cuts in social care in 2015, and yet won't face up to the responsibility of levelling with residents that we need a catch-up tax rise this year to avoid a crisis. Our government grant is being cut by 10% every year and neither of the opposition parties have an answer to protect council services from major cuts in the medium term. Tories say they would like to see privatisation but failed to get anywhere during their last term in office and just increased senior management costs. Labour are burying their heads in the sand and pinning their hopes on a change of national government, despite Ed Balls pledging to maintain the austerity agenda. Despite all the scaremongering, the Green referendum proposal to ask voters if they are willing to pay a little more tax this year is still the most rational solution to keep vital services running in years to come.[/p][/quote]Come on - you lost the vote. Now just accept that the options are either a 2% rise or a freeze. As an aside, it was very noticeable the differences in professionalism and politeness between the different parties during last nights meeting. Tory and Loabour councillors spoke with calmness and politeness - the Greens with personal attacks and petty politics. This was a meeting of B&H Council to deal with LOCAL issues so why so many Greens kept wittering on and attacking the Government is remarkable - attacking the government in a LOCAL council chamber won't change things. And if Liz Wakefield shouts one more time "AND YOU LOT WANT TO CUT THE TRAVELLER BUDGET" I'll be sorely tempted to come to the next meeting and gag her. Awful, awful woman.[/p][/quote]Interesting to hear of the Greens behaviour but not really surprising, after all they are a bunch of over grown schoolchildren practising the politics of the playground. Wonder if Jason's dad is bigger than Geoffrey's or Warren's ? One way to cut the traveller budget is to ensure they cannot effect illegal entry anywhere within the council's area and, if they happen to do so, use the full force of the law to deal with them quickly. These people need to understand respect works both ways and if they show us two fingers then they get them back with interest. Actually I feel really sorry for the council staff who have to clear up after these ignoramuses once they have spread their excrement wherever they like. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 1

12:13am Sat 1 Mar 14

PorkyChopper says...

theidiotsarewinning.
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Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack.
Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is.
Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot.
They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns.
At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!!
Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!!
There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians.
I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison.
For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does???
The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this?
How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us...

Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour.
So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…
I understand where you're coming from. I see there are many posters who don't "get it". This may interest you. http://notavote.co.u
k/
[quote][p][bold]theidiotsarewinning. ..[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm… One thing that does come to mind is that the Greens do appear to have integrity - that is, they mean what they say and stand by it, even in the face of ridicule and attack. Most politicians have no idea at all what integrity is. Labour, Conservative and sadly the Liberals too don't have integrity, as they have proven time and time again - they lie, dissemble, distort, spin, twist and turn, chop and change every time they think it will win votes or get them out of a tight spot. They all commit firmly to a policies in their manifestos and then once in power it goes out of the window, as in opposition you can say anything, once in power however the reality dawns. At government level just look at the outrageous - UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS lies that the Labour party under Blair spun over and over around the war against Iraq for its oil and resources, an undemocratic and, as judged by the United Nations, illegal war. Total lies that were proven as such - and they got away with it, and they know they can and will again!!! Yet the Labour party are marketed as a caring peoples' party - the opposition to the nasty Tories - what chance do we really have huh? !!! There never were a more disingenuous, lying, dissembling bunch of cheating crooks than politicians. I used to think the worst people in society were in prison e.g rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc… Well given that we live in a utilitarian society, where we measure the harm that individuals cause, it could be argued that actually the worst specimens of humans are actually in office - they cause more harm to humanity than most in prison. For example are you aware that the Government is creating a consolidated database of every ones medical records with a view to selling it to any corporation that wants it i.e insurance and research industries? Check out the "health and social care information centre" is this what a government that cares for its people does??? The government look the other way whilst corporations like - Starbucks, Amazon, Barclays etc rape the treasury (us) of BILLIONS in tax, yet they run front page stories in lovely publications such as the Daily Mail about how immoral a tradesman is who puts up shelves for a friend as a cash job - seriously does no one have any perspective on this? How about the new piece of legislation currently being signed between the EU and the US that will give corporations UNPRECEDENTED power, more power in fact than sovereign nations. It will be soon illegal for european governments to act in any way that inhibits a corporations profit making - YES YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY ! It is being hushed through and few are aware of the ramifications of it. Google US EU trade deal and make sure you are sitting down when you read what they have in store for us... Awful awful people demonstrating clear psychopathic behaviour. So even though I don't like many of the Greens policies, something inside me tells me they genuinely mean well. This is indeed rare in politics…[/p][/quote]I understand where you're coming from. I see there are many posters who don't "get it". This may interest you. http://notavote.co.u k/ PorkyChopper
  • Score: 5

12:14am Sat 1 Mar 14

PorkyChopper says...

I know where you are coming from. Other posters don't seem to "get it". This might interest you. http://notavote.co.u
k/
I know where you are coming from. Other posters don't seem to "get it". This might interest you. http://notavote.co.u k/ PorkyChopper
  • Score: 5

10:50pm Sun 2 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

6 Hours drinking wine, no wonder nothing got sorted,
6 Hours drinking wine, no wonder nothing got sorted, ARMANA
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