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Red or white wine discussed at vital council meeting in Brighton and Hove

The Argus: Protesters outside Thursday's budget meeting Protesters outside Thursday's budget meeting

Councillors discussed whether to buy red or white wine during
Thursday’s budget meeting.
 

Some members of Brighton and Hove City Council entered the Town Hall with shopping bags filled with booze as the council tax debate raged on and ultimately ended with no conclusion.
 

Councillors were heard discussing which tipple to buy as Thursday’s meeting descended into a stalemate and the three main parties retired for an hour to try to resolve their differences.
 

But when they returned they refused to budge from their positions on spending plans and will now have to return to Hove Town Hall to try again.
 

With a crammed council chamber eagerly awaiting a decision on one of the city’s longest and most hard-fought budget battles, more than three hours of debate and two hours of backroom dealing could not bring the three sides together.
 

While the three leaders debated in the backrooms, councillors were heard on the chamber floor whispering about what type of wine to buy.
 

Some councillors were clearly angry that deals were being discussed about votes being promised in return for agreements about cuts to the Pride festival.
 

The Green Party was accused of offering Labour three votes if their leader Warren Morgan could get his party to cut £6,000 from the agreed £25,000 fund for the Pride festival.
 

Angry members also said votes were being offered in return for three Green councillors being allowed another speech on their preferred 4.75% increase.
 

It was in the recess that councillors were overheard deciding what kind of wine they should have during their backroom negotiations.
 

Councillor Ruth Buckley, who was overheard by those within the chamber
discussing wine choices, said: “We talked about it and then we realised it wasn’t the best thing to do for the people of the city.”
 

Another councillor, Labour’s Alan Robins, described how he saw some
councillors, including Sven Rufus, leaving the chamber before returning with
bags of booze.
 

“There were several people who saw them,” said the councillor.

“I saw councillor Rufus coming back with big carrier
bags with bottles.
 

“We were instructed not to leave.  Everyone was wanted here because
we didn’t know what was going to happen and we needed everyone to be about.
 

The idea of them sitting in a room drinking bitter and eating Pringles beggars belief.”

Coun Robins added he didn’t know if any councillors had consumed alcohol
on the premises.
 

The Green Party is trying to get the council to agree on a referendum to push through a 4.75% council tax increase while Labour want a 2% rise and the Tories want a freeze.
 

With the council’s budget now due back for debate in the next week, councillors are under intense pressure to sort out their differences before March 11, at which point the Government will step in and set the budget for them.
 

Green leader Jason Kitcat praised the running of the meeting and while he said he had not seen any drinking taking place, he added: “I’m aware that some people did some shopping and bought some things to take home.”
 

Adding that he would not allow the Government to step in to set the budget, he added: “More work is to be done and we believe a referendum is the right way forward. My door is always open and I’m open to conversation.”
 

Speaking after the meeting, Coun Morgan said: “We need a sensible and flexible approach from the Greens and Conservatives that will allow us to set a budget this week as we are required to do by law.
 

“If they don’t then the damage to the council in terms of cost, reputation and the Government stepping in to take over will be huge.”
 

Speaking about how the entire budget had been handled, Conservative leader Geoffrey Theobald said: “I restate my position that we’d vote against anything that was a council tax increase and I would like the other parties to vote with us.”

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8:25am Sat 1 Mar 14

rayellerton says...

What's wrong with a cup of tea being served while on Council business? Important decisions on our behalf should not be taken under influence of alcohol...
What's wrong with a cup of tea being served while on Council business? Important decisions on our behalf should not be taken under influence of alcohol... rayellerton
  • Score: 48

8:30am Sat 1 Mar 14

Valentine anne says...

There we go then, it seems like all councils are the same,having trouble with wealing and dealing, wouldn't be good if everything was run for the people.
There we go then, it seems like all councils are the same,having trouble with wealing and dealing, wouldn't be good if everything was run for the people. Valentine anne
  • Score: 26

8:36am Sat 1 Mar 14

Can this be says...

The key question is whether they had a consensus on which wine to buy. If they achieved that without needing to bring in consultants to advise, it would be a step forward.
The key question is whether they had a consensus on which wine to buy. If they achieved that without needing to bring in consultants to advise, it would be a step forward. Can this be
  • Score: 44

9:02am Sat 1 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

And this is why party politics should be taken of of local government and councillors stand as independents.
And this is why party politics should be taken of of local government and councillors stand as independents. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 27

9:19am Sat 1 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

How does Kitcat think he will stop the government setting a budget ? If no local agreement is made then he won't be able to stop them. Unless of course he's admitting defeat on the 4.75% increase and plans to side with Labour.
How does Kitcat think he will stop the government setting a budget ? If no local agreement is made then he won't be able to stop them. Unless of course he's admitting defeat on the 4.75% increase and plans to side with Labour. Fight_Back
  • Score: 20

9:35am Sat 1 Mar 14

Warren Morgan says...

If ever clear and sober heads were needed, Thursday night was it. There is a budget on the table, at the inflation-level increase proposed by the Greens in December and voted through by Tories in East Sussex, Kent and Surrey. They don't have to vote for it, just abstain and let a budget be set so we can all get on with the job of running the council.
If ever clear and sober heads were needed, Thursday night was it. There is a budget on the table, at the inflation-level increase proposed by the Greens in December and voted through by Tories in East Sussex, Kent and Surrey. They don't have to vote for it, just abstain and let a budget be set so we can all get on with the job of running the council. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 19

9:41am Sat 1 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Somewhat noticeable that the two named councillors with regards the wine are both Green. I guess they still think running the council is a bit of a "lark".
Somewhat noticeable that the two named councillors with regards the wine are both Green. I guess they still think running the council is a bit of a "lark". Fight_Back
  • Score: 42

10:19am Sat 1 Mar 14

Martha Gunn says...

We all know the Greens can't organise the proverbial in a brewery so the questions arise:

Was it Organic and Fair Trade?
And what about the Veganista? Does he drink wine?
Did they conduct a referendum on the subject ?
Were Counsellors brought in to mediate on the final choice?

We need answers.
We all know the Greens can't organise the proverbial in a brewery so the questions arise: Was it Organic and Fair Trade? And what about the Veganista? Does he drink wine? Did they conduct a referendum on the subject ? Were Counsellors brought in to mediate on the final choice? We need answers. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 26

10:23am Sat 1 Mar 14

LeonBIank666 says...

At least wine (of any colour) will make Kitkat's breath smell better. Seriously, those who have had the misfortune to meet him will ALL testify that his breath smells like a rotting corpse.

He also smells a little of tinkle.

What a leader!!!
At least wine (of any colour) will make Kitkat's breath smell better. Seriously, those who have had the misfortune to meet him will ALL testify that his breath smells like a rotting corpse. He also smells a little of tinkle. What a leader!!! LeonBIank666
  • Score: 7

11:01am Sat 1 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

Vote Rigging - Being this is about the only way the green’s will ever wind a debate of any description it comes as no surprise they are offering other’s something interchange to back there proposed 4.75% increase, they even introduced last year a electronic voting system to tenant reps around the city to vote with without asking the reps if they wanted to use them “Systems that can be interfered - rigged” by council officers.
They rigged the election by getting all if not most students to vote for them this GREEN party is a back handed lot roll on 2015…

As regards to what wine they should be buying and drinking wile discussing our budget for B&H as long As it comes out of there pockets and NOT out of the FUNDS to run B&H is perfectly ok but if they are spending money from the B&H pot they shouldn’t be telling use they intend on increasing the council tax bill by 4.75% because its very clear where some of this increase will be going i.e. wine and food for the greens to celebrate or back-hander’s to the people that back them in there low-life scams.
Vote Rigging - Being this is about the only way the green’s will ever wind a debate of any description it comes as no surprise they are offering other’s something interchange to back there proposed 4.75% increase, they even introduced last year a electronic voting system to tenant reps around the city to vote with without asking the reps if they wanted to use them “Systems that can be interfered - rigged” by council officers. They rigged the election by getting all if not most students to vote for them this GREEN party is a back handed lot roll on 2015… As regards to what wine they should be buying and drinking wile discussing our budget for B&H as long As it comes out of there pockets and NOT out of the FUNDS to run B&H is perfectly ok but if they are spending money from the B&H pot they shouldn’t be telling use they intend on increasing the council tax bill by 4.75% because its very clear where some of this increase will be going i.e. wine and food for the greens to celebrate or back-hander’s to the people that back them in there low-life scams. wippasnapper
  • Score: 8

11:15am Sat 1 Mar 14

westpiergone says...

Let the public choose,Guillotine or Gallows !
Let the public choose,Guillotine or Gallows ! westpiergone
  • Score: 18

11:59am Sat 1 Mar 14

fab5482 says...

A neighbour and I contacted Sven Rufus, in 2012. He said he may take time to get back to us. Despite contacting him for an update, then requesting paperwork returned. No reply. Rude Rufus, and very ignorant. I hope he enjoyed his wine.
A neighbour and I contacted Sven Rufus, in 2012. He said he may take time to get back to us. Despite contacting him for an update, then requesting paperwork returned. No reply. Rude Rufus, and very ignorant. I hope he enjoyed his wine. fab5482
  • Score: 16

12:06pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Warren Morgan says...

I've written to Jason Kitcat and Geoffrey Theobald seeking a way to resolve this budget dispute: http://warrenmorgan.
wordpress.com/2014/0
3/01/on-open-letter-
to-the-green-and-con
servative-group-lead
ers/

Dear Jason and Geoffrey,

First of all I would like to thank you for the civil way in which negotiations were conducted at Budget Council on Thursday, even though ultimately no agreement was reached.

When we return to the council chamber on Wednesday, the Budget on the table will be one based on an inflation-level council tax increase. It is the level proposed in the original Green budget published in December, and it is the same level proposed and voted through by the Conservative councils in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent.

Whilst I know it is not your preferred option, it is the only compromise position between your two parties' views, both of which I respect. I would hope that even if you and your councillors cannot support this compromise position, you will at least ask your councillors to abstain rather than oppose, and allow my councillors to pass a lawful, balanced budget as we are required to do by law. The public expect that responsible and sensible action from us.

The consequences for the city council and Brighton and Hove of us not passing a budget would be very serious indeed. At best it will cost the council a great deal in both loss of money and further damage to our reputation. At worst the Government would step in and take over, with terrible implications for local services.

I understand that by allowing us to vote through that compromise budget, politically the Conservatives will say "Labour are voting for more tax rises", and the Greens will say "Labour is voting for more cuts". If that is what it takes for control of our city's finances to remain in the hands of our democratically elected local representatives, then so be it. It is time to put the interests of the city ahead of the interests of our political parties and sort this situation out without any further delay.

With best wishes,

Warren.
I've written to Jason Kitcat and Geoffrey Theobald seeking a way to resolve this budget dispute: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 3/01/on-open-letter- to-the-green-and-con servative-group-lead ers/ Dear Jason and Geoffrey, First of all I would like to thank you for the civil way in which negotiations were conducted at Budget Council on Thursday, even though ultimately no agreement was reached. When we return to the council chamber on Wednesday, the Budget on the table will be one based on an inflation-level council tax increase. It is the level proposed in the original Green budget published in December, and it is the same level proposed and voted through by the Conservative councils in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent. Whilst I know it is not your preferred option, it is the only compromise position between your two parties' views, both of which I respect. I would hope that even if you and your councillors cannot support this compromise position, you will at least ask your councillors to abstain rather than oppose, and allow my councillors to pass a lawful, balanced budget as we are required to do by law. The public expect that responsible and sensible action from us. The consequences for the city council and Brighton and Hove of us not passing a budget would be very serious indeed. At best it will cost the council a great deal in both loss of money and further damage to our reputation. At worst the Government would step in and take over, with terrible implications for local services. I understand that by allowing us to vote through that compromise budget, politically the Conservatives will say "Labour are voting for more tax rises", and the Greens will say "Labour is voting for more cuts". If that is what it takes for control of our city's finances to remain in the hands of our democratically elected local representatives, then so be it. It is time to put the interests of the city ahead of the interests of our political parties and sort this situation out without any further delay. With best wishes, Warren. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 17

12:07pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Beyond contempt!
Beyond contempt! Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
We all know the Greens can't organise the proverbial in a brewery so the questions arise:

Was it Organic and Fair Trade?
And what about the Veganista? Does he drink wine?
Did they conduct a referendum on the subject ?
Were Counsellors brought in to mediate on the final choice?

We need answers.
It was locally brewed elderberry and nettle, Vegans have to drink wine or they wouldn't be able to swallow the tasteless muck they call food, They did have a referendum and couldn't agree on the outcome so they sent for the experts who sit on benches on the level, to give an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: We all know the Greens can't organise the proverbial in a brewery so the questions arise: Was it Organic and Fair Trade? And what about the Veganista? Does he drink wine? Did they conduct a referendum on the subject ? Were Counsellors brought in to mediate on the final choice? We need answers.[/p][/quote]It was locally brewed elderberry and nettle, Vegans have to drink wine or they wouldn't be able to swallow the tasteless muck they call food, They did have a referendum and couldn't agree on the outcome so they sent for the experts who sit on benches on the level, to give an opinion. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Number Six says...

They should have all just got sloshed. After all, they're no good sober so being drunk might have been an improvement.

They could have resolved the issue with a damned good punch up and rounded off the night hugging each other saying "You're my besht mate, I bloody love you"

Much cheaper then a referendum
They should have all just got sloshed. After all, they're no good sober so being drunk might have been an improvement. They could have resolved the issue with a damned good punch up and rounded off the night hugging each other saying "You're my besht mate, I bloody love you" Much cheaper then a referendum Number Six
  • Score: 11

12:59pm Sat 1 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I do hope the wine wasn't provided on expenses. If they went for a drink afterwards, fair enough, but not during negotiations.
I do hope the wine wasn't provided on expenses. If they went for a drink afterwards, fair enough, but not during negotiations. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 9

1:05pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Michael Inkpin-Leissner says...

What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here
What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here Michael Inkpin-Leissner
  • Score: 15

1:16pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Number Six wrote:
They should have all just got sloshed. After all, they're no good sober so being drunk might have been an improvement.

They could have resolved the issue with a damned good punch up and rounded off the night hugging each other saying "You're my besht mate, I bloody love you"

Much cheaper then a referendum
Given JK's scrawny frame, GT's age and WM's "ample" build I'd suggest it would be a no contest that a 2% rise would be forthcoming if that was used to decide the budget ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: They should have all just got sloshed. After all, they're no good sober so being drunk might have been an improvement. They could have resolved the issue with a damned good punch up and rounded off the night hugging each other saying "You're my besht mate, I bloody love you" Much cheaper then a referendum[/p][/quote]Given JK's scrawny frame, GT's age and WM's "ample" build I'd suggest it would be a no contest that a 2% rise would be forthcoming if that was used to decide the budget ;-) Fight_Back
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

ourcoalition says...

What a load of Chardonnay (is that how you spell it?).

I was there, and as the meeting adjourned, a number of Councillors of all Parties joked about needing several stiff drinks - I suggested to a couple, a bottle of scotch in a brown paper bag!!!

Several Councillors of all persuasions went across to the Co-op, as it was 9.30pm, the meeting hadn't been permanently adjourned at that point, and they were getting their dinner for later.

So, no story and no disciplinary action.

On the serious side - next Wednesday, assuming all 3 Parties stick to their positions, but have to pass a lawful budget, it is time for sense to prevail.

That is the 1.99% position.
What a load of Chardonnay (is that how you spell it?). I was there, and as the meeting adjourned, a number of Councillors of all Parties joked about needing several stiff drinks - I suggested to a couple, a bottle of scotch in a brown paper bag!!! Several Councillors of all persuasions went across to the Co-op, as it was 9.30pm, the meeting hadn't been permanently adjourned at that point, and they were getting their dinner for later. So, no story and no disciplinary action. On the serious side - next Wednesday, assuming all 3 Parties stick to their positions, but have to pass a lawful budget, it is time for sense to prevail. That is the 1.99% position. ourcoalition
  • Score: 3

1:29pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Goldenwight says...

Lets have another Poll, Argus: Red, White... or Green?
Lets have another Poll, Argus: Red, White... or Green? Goldenwight
  • Score: 4

2:08pm Sat 1 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

ourcoalition wrote:
What a load of Chardonnay (is that how you spell it?).

I was there, and as the meeting adjourned, a number of Councillors of all Parties joked about needing several stiff drinks - I suggested to a couple, a bottle of scotch in a brown paper bag!!!

Several Councillors of all persuasions went across to the Co-op, as it was 9.30pm, the meeting hadn't been permanently adjourned at that point, and they were getting their dinner for later.

So, no story and no disciplinary action.

On the serious side - next Wednesday, assuming all 3 Parties stick to their positions, but have to pass a lawful budget, it is time for sense to prevail.

That is the 1.99% position.
NO no a freeze should be passed and NO money for i360 tower Con's how can you side with green's to waste money on tower ,loan I know but would it ever be paid back when project goes belly up.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: What a load of Chardonnay (is that how you spell it?). I was there, and as the meeting adjourned, a number of Councillors of all Parties joked about needing several stiff drinks - I suggested to a couple, a bottle of scotch in a brown paper bag!!! Several Councillors of all persuasions went across to the Co-op, as it was 9.30pm, the meeting hadn't been permanently adjourned at that point, and they were getting their dinner for later. So, no story and no disciplinary action. On the serious side - next Wednesday, assuming all 3 Parties stick to their positions, but have to pass a lawful budget, it is time for sense to prevail. That is the 1.99% position.[/p][/quote]NO no a freeze should be passed and NO money for i360 tower Con's how can you side with green's to waste money on tower ,loan I know but would it ever be paid back when project goes belly up. tinker111
  • Score: 8

3:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence.

So, nothing new there then.

Can we hold a vote of no confidence?
PLEASE...
Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence. So, nothing new there then. Can we hold a vote of no confidence? PLEASE... Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 12

4:01pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Alison Smith says...

Durango_Splubb wrote:
Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence.

So, nothing new there then.

Can we hold a vote of no confidence?
PLEASE...
Why don't you stand in 2015? Just a thought if you think you can do better!
[quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence. So, nothing new there then. Can we hold a vote of no confidence? PLEASE...[/p][/quote]Why don't you stand in 2015? Just a thought if you think you can do better! Alison Smith
  • Score: -11

5:12pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.
Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon. Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 6

5:24pm Sat 1 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Alison Smith wrote:
Durango_Splubb wrote:
Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence.

So, nothing new there then.

Can we hold a vote of no confidence?
PLEASE...
Why don't you stand in 2015? Just a thought if you think you can do better!
Doing better isn't so hard. What would be hard is doing worse!
[quote][p][bold]Alison Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence. So, nothing new there then. Can we hold a vote of no confidence? PLEASE...[/p][/quote]Why don't you stand in 2015? Just a thought if you think you can do better![/p][/quote]Doing better isn't so hard. What would be hard is doing worse! mimseycal
  • Score: 14

6:19pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Number Six says...

Durango_Splubb wrote:
Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence.

So, nothing new there then.

Can we hold a vote of no confidence?
PLEASE...
Why. Kitcrap would just ignore it, such is the arrogance of the man
[quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence. So, nothing new there then. Can we hold a vote of no confidence? PLEASE...[/p][/quote]Why. Kitcrap would just ignore it, such is the arrogance of the man Number Six
  • Score: 11

1:01am Sun 2 Mar 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

How about rock scissors paper-best of 3 to decide
How about rock scissors paper-best of 3 to decide Rearrangethedeckchairs
  • Score: 6

1:50am Sun 2 Mar 14

Alison Smith says...

Durango_Splubb wrote:
Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.
If it's the Greens you meant then I concur. But I didn't vote them in, not all Councillors are useless.
[quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.[/p][/quote]If it's the Greens you meant then I concur. But I didn't vote them in, not all Councillors are useless. Alison Smith
  • Score: 2

9:36am Sun 2 Mar 14

Morpheus says...

I think we could all fill a bottle with some yellowish-looking stuff and send it to them for nothing.
I think we could all fill a bottle with some yellowish-looking stuff and send it to them for nothing. Morpheus
  • Score: 3

11:26am Sun 2 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here
For what precisely?!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here[/p][/quote]For what precisely?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

11:26am Sun 2 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here
For what precisely?!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here[/p][/quote]For what precisely?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

11:41am Sun 2 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here
For what precisely?!
Bring their office into disrepute!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here[/p][/quote]For what precisely?![/p][/quote]Bring their office into disrepute! mimseycal
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Michael Inkpin-Leissner wrote:
What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here
For what precisely?!
You are so stupid you must be green

Laughable waster
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Inkpin-Leissner[/bold] wrote: What a disgraceful behaviour of Green Councillors! Disciplinary action would be appropriate here[/p][/quote]For what precisely?![/p][/quote]You are so stupid you must be green Laughable waster Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

I'm just angry that they grovel for enough votes to get elected then seem to do their best to waste their time in office and OUR money on frivolous novelties rather than making improvements to the lives and environs of the people they purport to represent!

This nonsense is a perfect example!
Some silly bod comes up with a ridiculous folly like the "blob-on-a-stick", a few short-sighted twits think it'll be a tourist attraction for longer than the thought of it so it' becomes 'policy' because us poor mugs the tax payers will fund it.
I'm just angry that they grovel for enough votes to get elected then seem to do their best to waste their time in office and OUR money on frivolous novelties rather than making improvements to the lives and environs of the people they purport to represent! This nonsense is a perfect example! Some silly bod comes up with a ridiculous folly like the "blob-on-a-stick", a few short-sighted twits think it'll be a tourist attraction for longer than the thought of it so it' becomes 'policy' because us poor mugs the tax payers will fund it. Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 5

3:51pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

What possible connection does this tacky stitch-up have to do with democracy? It's no different by the way at Westminster. The majority of the electorate rarely have any idea which policies will eventually be pursued and frequently it will be that chosen by the minority party i.e. the Liberals currently appear to be running the country. That's why we need far more refenda on issues of broad interest, because it's this disconnect which is leading so many voters to be disenchanted with the whole political process.
What possible connection does this tacky stitch-up have to do with democracy? It's no different by the way at Westminster. The majority of the electorate rarely have any idea which policies will eventually be pursued and frequently it will be that chosen by the minority party i.e. the Liberals currently appear to be running the country. That's why we need far more refenda on issues of broad interest, because it's this disconnect which is leading so many voters to be disenchanted with the whole political process. Sir Prised
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4:12pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Another article from the Argus; "Sad tale of what might have been for Stanmer Park" gives a perfect story of how all recent administrations have neglected the area and left it to slowly rot. This is where this lot should be spending OUR money not on whimsical follies!
Another article from the Argus; "Sad tale of what might have been for Stanmer Park" gives a perfect story of how all recent administrations have neglected the area and left it to slowly rot. This is where this lot should be spending OUR money not on whimsical follies! Durango_Splubb
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7:00pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

Alison Smith wrote:
Durango_Splubb wrote:
Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.
If it's the Greens you meant then I concur. But I didn't vote them in, not all Councillors are useless.
Granted - but the vast majority of them quite obviously are useless.

From the finance meeting, on Thursday, we picked out two Conservative, one Green and two Labour members who we felt that could just earn our vote (none representing our own ward) - the rest of them we wouldn't give a thank youi for.
[quote][p][bold]Alison Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.[/p][/quote]If it's the Greens you meant then I concur. But I didn't vote them in, not all Councillors are useless.[/p][/quote]Granted - but the vast majority of them quite obviously are useless. From the finance meeting, on Thursday, we picked out two Conservative, one Green and two Labour members who we felt that could just earn our vote (none representing our own ward) - the rest of them we wouldn't give a thank youi for. Richada
  • Score: 0

7:02pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

Number Six wrote:
Durango_Splubb wrote:
Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence.

So, nothing new there then.

Can we hold a vote of no confidence?
PLEASE...
Why. Kitcrap would just ignore it, such is the arrogance of the man
I thout we already did and he did just that - ignored it!
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Everybody on here seems to agree that the people we elected are not up to the job. In fact they seem to be less than useless at anything other than spending their time and wasting our money indulging themselves in gross incompetence. So, nothing new there then. Can we hold a vote of no confidence? PLEASE...[/p][/quote]Why. Kitcrap would just ignore it, such is the arrogance of the man[/p][/quote]I thout we already did and he did just that - ignored it! Richada
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7:06pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Lets have another Poll, Argus: Red, White... or Green?
Yes please Argus - simple as that.....

....or simpler still Green or AOP.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Lets have another Poll, Argus: Red, White... or Green?[/p][/quote]Yes please Argus - simple as that..... ....or simpler still Green or AOP. Richada
  • Score: 0

7:13pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
I've written to Jason Kitcat and Geoffrey Theobald seeking a way to resolve this budget dispute: http://warrenmorgan.

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3/01/on-open-letter-

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Dear Jason and Geoffrey,

First of all I would like to thank you for the civil way in which negotiations were conducted at Budget Council on Thursday, even though ultimately no agreement was reached.

When we return to the council chamber on Wednesday, the Budget on the table will be one based on an inflation-level council tax increase. It is the level proposed in the original Green budget published in December, and it is the same level proposed and voted through by the Conservative councils in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent.

Whilst I know it is not your preferred option, it is the only compromise position between your two parties' views, both of which I respect. I would hope that even if you and your councillors cannot support this compromise position, you will at least ask your councillors to abstain rather than oppose, and allow my councillors to pass a lawful, balanced budget as we are required to do by law. The public expect that responsible and sensible action from us.

The consequences for the city council and Brighton and Hove of us not passing a budget would be very serious indeed. At best it will cost the council a great deal in both loss of money and further damage to our reputation. At worst the Government would step in and take over, with terrible implications for local services.

I understand that by allowing us to vote through that compromise budget, politically the Conservatives will say "Labour are voting for more tax rises", and the Greens will say "Labour is voting for more cuts". If that is what it takes for control of our city's finances to remain in the hands of our democratically elected local representatives, then so be it. It is time to put the interests of the city ahead of the interests of our political parties and sort this situation out without any further delay.

With best wishes,

Warren.
Good luck Cllr Morgan, you appear to be the only sensible voice of compromise in the city - just a pity sense doesn't look as though it will prevail over the i360 loan..
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: I've written to Jason Kitcat and Geoffrey Theobald seeking a way to resolve this budget dispute: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 3/01/on-open-letter- to-the-green-and-con servative-group-lead ers/ Dear Jason and Geoffrey, First of all I would like to thank you for the civil way in which negotiations were conducted at Budget Council on Thursday, even though ultimately no agreement was reached. When we return to the council chamber on Wednesday, the Budget on the table will be one based on an inflation-level council tax increase. It is the level proposed in the original Green budget published in December, and it is the same level proposed and voted through by the Conservative councils in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent. Whilst I know it is not your preferred option, it is the only compromise position between your two parties' views, both of which I respect. I would hope that even if you and your councillors cannot support this compromise position, you will at least ask your councillors to abstain rather than oppose, and allow my councillors to pass a lawful, balanced budget as we are required to do by law. The public expect that responsible and sensible action from us. The consequences for the city council and Brighton and Hove of us not passing a budget would be very serious indeed. At best it will cost the council a great deal in both loss of money and further damage to our reputation. At worst the Government would step in and take over, with terrible implications for local services. I understand that by allowing us to vote through that compromise budget, politically the Conservatives will say "Labour are voting for more tax rises", and the Greens will say "Labour is voting for more cuts". If that is what it takes for control of our city's finances to remain in the hands of our democratically elected local representatives, then so be it. It is time to put the interests of the city ahead of the interests of our political parties and sort this situation out without any further delay. With best wishes, Warren.[/p][/quote]Good luck Cllr Morgan, you appear to be the only sensible voice of compromise in the city - just a pity sense doesn't look as though it will prevail over the i360 loan.. Richada
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7:18pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

fab5482 wrote:
A neighbour and I contacted Sven Rufus, in 2012. He said he may take time to get back to us. Despite contacting him for an update, then requesting paperwork returned. No reply. Rude Rufus, and very ignorant. I hope he enjoyed his wine.
Lucky you - we emailed our local (Conservative) councillor between Christmas and the new year and got not so much as an acknowledgement. Mr Theobold and his colleagues aren't working very hard for the votes either - looks like those who say that the Tories believe that they have a 'God giver right to govern' may just have a point.
[quote][p][bold]fab5482[/bold] wrote: A neighbour and I contacted Sven Rufus, in 2012. He said he may take time to get back to us. Despite contacting him for an update, then requesting paperwork returned. No reply. Rude Rufus, and very ignorant. I hope he enjoyed his wine.[/p][/quote]Lucky you - we emailed our local (Conservative) councillor between Christmas and the new year and got not so much as an acknowledgement. Mr Theobold and his colleagues aren't working very hard for the votes either - looks like those who say that the Tories believe that they have a 'God giver right to govern' may just have a point. Richada
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Sun 2 Mar 14

stir up says...

Just think, all those students who voted the greens in are now probably no longer in the area having finished uni and gone home or to some other town.
So the rest are left having to live with the problems they have left behind and also are not aware of how much trouble they gave to Brighton
Just think, all those students who voted the greens in are now probably no longer in the area having finished uni and gone home or to some other town. So the rest are left having to live with the problems they have left behind and also are not aware of how much trouble they gave to Brighton stir up
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Richada says...

Durango_Splubb wrote:
Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.
I don't THINK that you could do better - I just KNOW that you could - and I don't even know you!
[quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Alison Smith, I didn't and wouldn't think I could do better. I don't know where you could get such a stupid 'thought' as that from. Keep calm, nurse will be round soon.[/p][/quote]I don't THINK that you could do better - I just KNOW that you could - and I don't even know you! Richada
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