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The Argus: Parking restrictions leave Brighton residents lonely Parking restrictions leave Brighton residents lonely

Elderly residents claim new parking restrictions limit them to just one visitor a week – leaving them feeling lonely.

Residents of Ditchling Gardens, Fiveways, said they can only get 52 visitor permits a year per retirement bungalow, leading to many only rarely being able to see their family.

Doreen Downs said: “Our family, children and grandchildren cannot come and see us. It’s very sad and it gets very lonely.”

Ms Downs said she and other residents feel lonely and cut off since the new parking restrictions were introduced in July last year.

More frequent visitors make flying visits and run the risk of getting parking tickets – with Doreen’s son already being given two penalties.

Doreen said: “They just have to pop in and pop out as quickly as possible – they have no time for a coffee or anything.”

Ditchling Road and Ditchling Gardens fall into the Area J, which sets some areas aside for permit holders and some as pay and display.

Visitor permits are offered on a set yearly allocation and the permit allows one full calendar day of parking.

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said: “The introduction of our Area J parking scheme was supported by a majority of local people – many of whom were calling for us to make it easier for visitors to park.

“There is a wide range of parking options available for people visiting residents by car, and we believe it is now easier for visitors to find a space to park.”

“Pay and Display machines nearby provide cheaper parking for short visits.”

The council also said that carer permits are available for people who need to make regular visits to elderly or vulnerable residents as part of their duty of care.

Doreen added: “They should come up and see and not just send parking wardens round to hound us. It isn’t easier, it’s made things worse.”

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1:10pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Pebbles says...

There should not be any parking restirctions on a sunday.. anywhere.
There should not be any parking restirctions on a sunday.. anywhere. Pebbles
  • Score: 30

1:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse!
I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose!
In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse! I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose! We are the 99%
  • Score: 23

1:59pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Luke72 says...

We are the 99% wrote:
In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse!
I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose!
It's not just the Greens that view parking as a nice little money spinner, they're just continuing what the previous administrations had started. My road has 9am-8pm restrictions 7 days a week and it s a quiet residential street not near shops or a station. Those restrictions were brought in whilst the Tories were in. We're in the same boat as these folks and often don't entertain at home as the maximum a visitor can park in pay and display, near us, is for 2 hours.
[quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse! I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose![/p][/quote]It's not just the Greens that view parking as a nice little money spinner, they're just continuing what the previous administrations had started. My road has 9am-8pm restrictions 7 days a week and it s a quiet residential street not near shops or a station. Those restrictions were brought in whilst the Tories were in. We're in the same boat as these folks and often don't entertain at home as the maximum a visitor can park in pay and display, near us, is for 2 hours. Luke72
  • Score: 25

2:07pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on.

Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll.
Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on. Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll. Fight_Back
  • Score: 22

2:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Saul G P Tong says...

Pebbles wrote:
There should not be any parking restirctions on a sunday.. anywhere.
Lol #clueless
[quote][p][bold]Pebbles[/bold] wrote: There should not be any parking restirctions on a sunday.. anywhere.[/p][/quote]Lol #clueless Saul G P Tong
  • Score: -17

2:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Sussex jim says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on.

Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll.
You cannot cut a council employee from the payroll. They are bulletproof. Featherbedded until they retire; and then on a guaranteed index-linked pension until they die. ( and then any surviving spouse gets a cut until they die)
However, back to the original subject. I think that an average of one full day permit a week giving free parking is very generous. If I were to visit my elderly mother, spend some time chatting, take her out to lunch or to the doctors (I assume one can drive off and return later with the daily permit) and then spend more time having tea provided, and being chastised over my weight and drinking, and then leave with a promise to return next week, I would consider this a good result.
Or is the real problem that people are are using the parking restrictions as an excuse not to visit their elderly family?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on. Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll.[/p][/quote]You cannot cut a council employee from the payroll. They are bulletproof. Featherbedded until they retire; and then on a guaranteed index-linked pension until they die. ( and then any surviving spouse gets a cut until they die) However, back to the original subject. I think that an average of one full day permit a week giving free parking is very generous. If I were to visit my elderly mother, spend some time chatting, take her out to lunch or to the doctors (I assume one can drive off and return later with the daily permit) and then spend more time having tea provided, and being chastised over my weight and drinking, and then leave with a promise to return next week, I would consider this a good result. Or is the real problem that people are are using the parking restrictions as an excuse not to visit their elderly family? Sussex jim
  • Score: -16

4:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Chaffinch1 says...

Brighton's parking restrictions are very antisocial.

When I bought my house in zone Y, my street had residents parking and/or free parking limited to 2 hours, which was perfect.

Then a couple of years ago, they did away with the 2 hours free parking. Now when my young daughter has playdates, the parents can't stop for a coffee when they drop off or pick up their kids because it's not worth using a voucher for a whole day just for an hour's parking - and pay and display in zone Y is extortionate (not to mention several streets away).

If parking permits were about making it easier to park and not just about raising revenue, all zones could have a 1 (or 2) hour free parking allowance. At the least, they should let residents buy half-day or even 2 hour vouchers - and at the equivalent hourly rate to the current full day vouchers. .
Brighton's parking restrictions are very antisocial. When I bought my house in zone Y, my street had residents parking and/or free parking limited to 2 hours, which was perfect. Then a couple of years ago, they did away with the 2 hours free parking. Now when my young daughter has playdates, the parents can't stop for a coffee when they drop off or pick up their kids because it's not worth using a voucher for a whole day just for an hour's parking - and pay and display in zone Y is extortionate (not to mention several streets away). If parking permits were about making it easier to park and not just about raising revenue, all zones could have a 1 (or 2) hour free parking allowance. At the least, they should let residents buy half-day or even 2 hour vouchers - and at the equivalent hourly rate to the current full day vouchers. . Chaffinch1
  • Score: 16

4:35pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bluemonday says...

We are the 99% wrote:
In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse!
I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose!
you should be blaming the 80% that didn't bother voting,there was a vote,those for it won,it's called a democracy
[quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: In this area, 51% voted in favour! 49% against! About 20% of residents voted! This is what gave these Green tyrants the excuse! I suggest that these ladies go find one of those that voted for, and punch them on the nose![/p][/quote]you should be blaming the 80% that didn't bother voting,there was a vote,those for it won,it's called a democracy bluemonday
  • Score: -7

4:42pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

Chaffinch1 wrote:
Brighton's parking restrictions are very antisocial.

When I bought my house in zone Y, my street had residents parking and/or free parking limited to 2 hours, which was perfect.

Then a couple of years ago, they did away with the 2 hours free parking. Now when my young daughter has playdates, the parents can't stop for a coffee when they drop off or pick up their kids because it's not worth using a voucher for a whole day just for an hour's parking - and pay and display in zone Y is extortionate (not to mention several streets away).

If parking permits were about making it easier to park and not just about raising revenue, all zones could have a 1 (or 2) hour free parking allowance. At the least, they should let residents buy half-day or even 2 hour vouchers - and at the equivalent hourly rate to the current full day vouchers. .
You see you're making the schoolboy error of applying some common sense to this issue. 2 hours free parking for visitors who don't want to leave their car there all day? What kind of crazy talk is that?

Don't forget the Council with all their highly paid experts know best. It's far better to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
[quote][p][bold]Chaffinch1[/bold] wrote: Brighton's parking restrictions are very antisocial. When I bought my house in zone Y, my street had residents parking and/or free parking limited to 2 hours, which was perfect. Then a couple of years ago, they did away with the 2 hours free parking. Now when my young daughter has playdates, the parents can't stop for a coffee when they drop off or pick up their kids because it's not worth using a voucher for a whole day just for an hour's parking - and pay and display in zone Y is extortionate (not to mention several streets away). If parking permits were about making it easier to park and not just about raising revenue, all zones could have a 1 (or 2) hour free parking allowance. At the least, they should let residents buy half-day or even 2 hour vouchers - and at the equivalent hourly rate to the current full day vouchers. .[/p][/quote]You see you're making the schoolboy error of applying some common sense to this issue. 2 hours free parking for visitors who don't want to leave their car there all day? What kind of crazy talk is that? Don't forget the Council with all their highly paid experts know best. It's far better to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Quiterie
  • Score: 13

4:54pm Mon 3 Mar 14

peachesncream says...

If Jason Kitcat really cared about the vulnerable, disabled and elderly residents of Brighton and Hove, (the argument he uses to validate a 4.75% increase in Council Tax) he should be able to come up with a solution to the problem caused by the imposition of parking restrictions in residential areas. Of course, he won't do this as all the Greens care about is extorting money from Brighton and Hove residents and the visitors to the City.

Area J is now to be extended further, so more money for the council coffers and more disenfranchised local residents.

Roll on the next elections so we can get these b""""""s out for ever.
If Jason Kitcat really cared about the vulnerable, disabled and elderly residents of Brighton and Hove, (the argument he uses to validate a 4.75% increase in Council Tax) he should be able to come up with a solution to the problem caused by the imposition of parking restrictions in residential areas. Of course, he won't do this as all the Greens care about is extorting money from Brighton and Hove residents and the visitors to the City. Area J is now to be extended further, so more money for the council coffers and more disenfranchised local residents. Roll on the next elections so we can get these b""""""s out for ever. peachesncream
  • Score: 15

4:55pm Mon 3 Mar 14

localnewsman says...

It is not just elderly residents but also disabled residents like myself. No one in Ditchling Gardens agreed for this parking. The Council did not even know that Ditchling Gardens existed. You do not even get one visitor permit per week when you have to provide contractors with a parking permit. Most sheltered schemes are exempt from the charge as they have car parks. We pay £2.60 per permit and they offer us no discount. My family are not visiting so much because of these rules. I emailed a complaint to the parking team and got no response.
I can not have a disabled bay as I do not drive so I was under the impression they could use the badge. Luckily I asked the traffic warden and he said no I would get a ticket.
As we are sheltered why could will not have are own letter say K and why can the Council reduce the amount we pay and increase the amount of tickets we can purchase.
It is us the residents who are paying for visitors to park outside our homes and this is not fair. The problem is that it all falls on deaf ears with the council'
It is not just elderly residents but also disabled residents like myself. No one in Ditchling Gardens agreed for this parking. The Council did not even know that Ditchling Gardens existed. You do not even get one visitor permit per week when you have to provide contractors with a parking permit. Most sheltered schemes are exempt from the charge as they have car parks. We pay £2.60 per permit and they offer us no discount. My family are not visiting so much because of these rules. I emailed a complaint to the parking team and got no response. I can not have a disabled bay as I do not drive so I was under the impression they could use the badge. Luckily I asked the traffic warden and he said no I would get a ticket. As we are sheltered why could will not have are own letter say K and why can the Council reduce the amount we pay and increase the amount of tickets we can purchase. It is us the residents who are paying for visitors to park outside our homes and this is not fair. The problem is that it all falls on deaf ears with the council' localnewsman
  • Score: 19

6:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Brighton Living says...

Please give us some parking restrictions in Hanover !!!!! Please........ Please ......Please .......... we would love to be lonely,
Please give us some parking restrictions in Hanover !!!!! Please........ Please ......Please .......... we would love to be lonely, Brighton Living
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I'm surprised Eugenius,( who has named himself after a Roman emperor he is so full of his own self importance) has not instructed these elderly folk to cycle to see their families and then cycle back home up Ditchling Road.
The town is for students, not the elderly, frail or vulnerable.
I'm surprised Eugenius,( who has named himself after a Roman emperor he is so full of his own self importance) has not instructed these elderly folk to cycle to see their families and then cycle back home up Ditchling Road. The town is for students, not the elderly, frail or vulnerable. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 9

12:24am Tue 4 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

Unfortunately you won't get much sympathy from the council, especially regarding anything to do with parking. I had the misfortune recently to purchase some more day permits only to find they had increased from £2 each to £2.40, may not sound much but it's an increase of 20%. This I could just about stomach but when these was issued them I then discovered they were already 12 months out of date. The years on the, were 2013, 2014, 2015. When I queried this with the person serving me I got a shrug of the shoulders and the look of ' how dare you question me' !
Also there is an £10.00 admin fee for when you need to change your permit/vehicle details.
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN THE PARKING OFFICE THAT THIER TIME IS SO PRECIOUS THAT THE TAX PAYER THAT IS ALREADY PAYING THEIR WAGE HAS TO PAY EXTRA TO BE DEALT WITH.
this is just another stealth tax that the motorists are being stung with.
It's just not cost effective for guests to use these day permits unless they ate visiting for over 4 hours at a time. Anything less then pay n display has to be an option tho living in zone z (west pier) myself the cost of on street parking is currently I think £6 for 2 hrs.
If we know we have guests visiting we tend to either pick them up ourselves or get them to park at the nearest free parking which I believe is Portslade and meet them there with our car.
My sympathies with the residents at ditching gardens but we have had to deal with this for over 10 years now and it's not going to get any better.
Unfortunately you won't get much sympathy from the council, especially regarding anything to do with parking. I had the misfortune recently to purchase some more day permits only to find they had increased from £2 each to £2.40, may not sound much but it's an increase of 20%. This I could just about stomach but when these was issued them I then discovered they were already 12 months out of date. The years on the, were 2013, 2014, 2015. When I queried this with the person serving me I got a shrug of the shoulders and the look of ' how dare you question me' ! Also there is an £10.00 admin fee for when you need to change your permit/vehicle details. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN THE PARKING OFFICE THAT THIER TIME IS SO PRECIOUS THAT THE TAX PAYER THAT IS ALREADY PAYING THEIR WAGE HAS TO PAY EXTRA TO BE DEALT WITH. this is just another stealth tax that the motorists are being stung with. It's just not cost effective for guests to use these day permits unless they ate visiting for over 4 hours at a time. Anything less then pay n display has to be an option tho living in zone z (west pier) myself the cost of on street parking is currently I think £6 for 2 hrs. If we know we have guests visiting we tend to either pick them up ourselves or get them to park at the nearest free parking which I believe is Portslade and meet them there with our car. My sympathies with the residents at ditching gardens but we have had to deal with this for over 10 years now and it's not going to get any better. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 6

6:44am Tue 4 Mar 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

The wretched greens

They don't want to meme life better for any of the established residents. Their whole philosophy is about making it worse for anyone who contributes

Wretched greens
The wretched greens They don't want to meme life better for any of the established residents. Their whole philosophy is about making it worse for anyone who contributes Wretched greens Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 4

6:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

NickBtn says...

The answer is simple. Make parking zones for residents free of charge. If this happened then the council would stop making money from these schemes and magically this "need" would stop and be reversed.

One for the government - stop councils profiting from car parking and fines. Brighton council, of whatever council, abuses parking to raise revenue. The greens have been particularly enthusiastic with this - something which has upset many and won't be good for them in 2015
The answer is simple. Make parking zones for residents free of charge. If this happened then the council would stop making money from these schemes and magically this "need" would stop and be reversed. One for the government - stop councils profiting from car parking and fines. Brighton council, of whatever council, abuses parking to raise revenue. The greens have been particularly enthusiastic with this - something which has upset many and won't be good for them in 2015 NickBtn
  • Score: 3

8:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Jacquimoo says...

Sussex jim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on.

Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll.
You cannot cut a council employee from the payroll. They are bulletproof. Featherbedded until they retire; and then on a guaranteed index-linked pension until they die. ( and then any surviving spouse gets a cut until they die)
However, back to the original subject. I think that an average of one full day permit a week giving free parking is very generous. If I were to visit my elderly mother, spend some time chatting, take her out to lunch or to the doctors (I assume one can drive off and return later with the daily permit) and then spend more time having tea provided, and being chastised over my weight and drinking, and then leave with a promise to return next week, I would consider this a good result.
Or is the real problem that people are are using the parking restrictions as an excuse not to visit their elderly family?
I am one of the resident's family, and I very much resent your comment about making an excuse not to visit. I lost my father a while ago and I visit my mother, who lives in Ditchling Gardens, as much as possible. The vouchers are not free, they cost £130 per year. We park around the corner and pay the meter, as we cannot afford to pay £130 on vouchers. We are already struggling ourselves to pay a mortgage and support our two children (without getting a penny from the government) I have already asked the council, along with several others, including Jeane Lepper, that if they have to introduce resident parking, why the elderly, and quite often disabled, residents here, cannot be issued with concessionary permits, but this was rejected by the council, so obviously money is the real factor here. Maybe you should think before you write, and accuse people of using it as an excuse, perhaps you are capable of this but we most certainly are not!
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Money, money, money - that's all the council see parking as. The only difference between the parties is what they spend that money on. Nice to see the usual uncaring comment from a faceless council employee who should probably be cut from the payroll.[/p][/quote]You cannot cut a council employee from the payroll. They are bulletproof. Featherbedded until they retire; and then on a guaranteed index-linked pension until they die. ( and then any surviving spouse gets a cut until they die) However, back to the original subject. I think that an average of one full day permit a week giving free parking is very generous. If I were to visit my elderly mother, spend some time chatting, take her out to lunch or to the doctors (I assume one can drive off and return later with the daily permit) and then spend more time having tea provided, and being chastised over my weight and drinking, and then leave with a promise to return next week, I would consider this a good result. Or is the real problem that people are are using the parking restrictions as an excuse not to visit their elderly family?[/p][/quote]I am one of the resident's family, and I very much resent your comment about making an excuse not to visit. I lost my father a while ago and I visit my mother, who lives in Ditchling Gardens, as much as possible. The vouchers are not free, they cost £130 per year. We park around the corner and pay the meter, as we cannot afford to pay £130 on vouchers. We are already struggling ourselves to pay a mortgage and support our two children (without getting a penny from the government) I have already asked the council, along with several others, including Jeane Lepper, that if they have to introduce resident parking, why the elderly, and quite often disabled, residents here, cannot be issued with concessionary permits, but this was rejected by the council, so obviously money is the real factor here. Maybe you should think before you write, and accuse people of using it as an excuse, perhaps you are capable of this but we most certainly are not! Jacquimoo
  • Score: 2

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