20mph limit could see withdrawal of buses from Worthing

20mph limit could see withdrawal of buses from Worthing

20mph limit could see withdrawal of buses from Worthing

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A bus firm is threatening to withdraw its services if 20mph speed limits are introduced.

Chris Chatfield, manager director of Compass Travel, said proposals for 20mph speed limit zones in Worthing would increase journey times and result in cuts to services.

The 20mph scheme could come into force sometime this year following a £50,000 public consultation, which starts on April 7.

Councillors voted in favour of the consultation process last month, but the scheme must now gain public support if it is to progress.


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Mr Chatfield said: “A 20mph limit would increase our journey times by about four minutes, meaning we’d have to introduce 70-minute services, which nobody wants. Most of our routes will be affected.

“We have seen elsewhere that claims that driving at 20mph reduces emissions are not true and in places like Portsmouth accident numbers have gone up slightly.

Mr Chatfield has placed anti-20mph advertisements on one of his buses in an attempt to “let people know the facts”, adding: “We’re looking at places like Brighton and Hove and seeing how 20mph zones have impacted on taxi and bus services. To be honest we don’t want that here.

“I’m all for 20mph limits around schools, but not on every residential road.

“It will not create a perfect utopia where everybody is safe and there are no accidents. Our ‘20’s Pointless’ adverts will show just that.”

Duncan Kay, of 20’s Plenty for Worthing, said Compass Travel routes would not be affected by 20mph limits.

He said: “I think what they are doing is a shame because we would like to work with them to make sure it works for them as well.

“However, their claims about emissions and accidents are false and aren’t backed up by any evidence.

“On our website we have detailed information and evidence proving that 20mph zones do cut emissions and accident rates.”

For more information on 20’s Pointless – the campaign group against 20mph speed limits in Worthing – visit www.20spointless.org.uk For more information on 20’s Plenty – the campaign group for 20mph speed limits in Worthing – visit www.20splentyforworthing.org.uk.

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1:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

toldsloth says...

Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily.
Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily. toldsloth
  • Score: 52

1:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ICantThinkOfAName says...

If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton?
If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton? ICantThinkOfAName
  • Score: 16

2:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

kopite_rob says...

ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton?
Their drivers in Saltdean can't keep to the 30 mph limit, so christ knows how they'd manage to stay at 20.
For the record Mr Chatfield there are 3 preschool nurseries and a junior school along Saltdean Vale. Could your drivers not perhaps SLOW THE FRACK DOWN!
[quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton?[/p][/quote]Their drivers in Saltdean can't keep to the 30 mph limit, so christ knows how they'd manage to stay at 20. For the record Mr Chatfield there are 3 preschool nurseries and a junior school along Saltdean Vale. Could your drivers not perhaps SLOW THE FRACK DOWN! kopite_rob
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

timfusciardi says...

I for one am excited at the prospect of being able to drive at 20 mph around Worthing. The current average I seem to get round town of 10mph is just not fast enough!
I for one am excited at the prospect of being able to drive at 20 mph around Worthing. The current average I seem to get round town of 10mph is just not fast enough! timfusciardi
  • Score: 19

2:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs - I'll write your comment for you so you don't have to bother:

Ra ra ra moanerati bad, speed limits good, fact.
HJarrs - I'll write your comment for you so you don't have to bother: Ra ra ra moanerati bad, speed limits good, fact. cynic_the
  • Score: 14

3:14pm Tue 4 Mar 14

rfairweather@tiscali.co.uk says...

£50k on a consultation - that's a awful lot of tea and biscuits to create all of this hot air. I thought money in local government was tight - is £50k a wise use of taxpayer's money? Why not employ a man with a red flag to walk in front of cars as they travel through God's waiting room?
£50k on a consultation - that's a awful lot of tea and biscuits to create all of this hot air. I thought money in local government was tight - is £50k a wise use of taxpayer's money? Why not employ a man with a red flag to walk in front of cars as they travel through God's waiting room? rfairweather@tiscali.co.uk
  • Score: 15

4:07pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Ohnotagain ! says...

"Councillors voted in favour of the consultation process last month, but the scheme must now gain public support if it is to progress. "

Unless of course you are the "Green party" and they will impose it whatever the public say.
"Councillors voted in favour of the consultation process last month, but the scheme must now gain public support if it is to progress. " Unless of course you are the "Green party" and they will impose it whatever the public say. Ohnotagain !
  • Score: 18

4:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

20splenty says...

The claims of 20 mph in Worthing leading to bus service cuts are false. Hardly any of the roads used by Worthing bus routes are affected by the scheme (see http://www.20splenty
forworthing.org.uk/2
0spointless-are-wron
g).

20 mph is only planned to be introduced on quieter residential streets. See map here: http://www.20splenty
forworthing.org.uk/s
ites/20splentyforwor
thing.org.uk/files/M
ap%20of%20Option%202
b.pdf

For a 4 minute increase in journey time due to slowing down to 20 mph over the less than 2 miles of any affected route, Compass Buses would have to be currently doing 40 mph plus in a 30 mph limit!
The claims of 20 mph in Worthing leading to bus service cuts are false. Hardly any of the roads used by Worthing bus routes are affected by the scheme (see http://www.20splenty forworthing.org.uk/2 0spointless-are-wron g). 20 mph is only planned to be introduced on quieter residential streets. See map here: http://www.20splenty forworthing.org.uk/s ites/20splentyforwor thing.org.uk/files/M ap%20of%20Option%202 b.pdf For a 4 minute increase in journey time due to slowing down to 20 mph over the less than 2 miles of any affected route, Compass Buses would have to be currently doing 40 mph plus in a 30 mph limit! 20splenty
  • Score: -5

5:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Come to Brighton, its 30 mph here, no one does 20 here,
Come to Brighton, its 30 mph here, no one does 20 here, ARMANA
  • Score: 15

7:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Dave At Home says...

Ha ha Duncan Kay the deluded company mouthpiece, reduced speeds DO NOT reduce pollution, especially when the vehicles are moving in higher revs and need more gear changes, it's fact, no need to back it up with anything.

Some day soon a council like Crawley BC will announce that they don't have any 20mph speed limits in their town and welcomes all visitors to their shopping centers, where they provide cheap or free parking and then we will see the likes of Worthing and Brighton councils crying over their wine glasses.
Ha ha Duncan Kay the deluded company mouthpiece, reduced speeds DO NOT reduce pollution, especially when the vehicles are moving in higher revs and need more gear changes, it's fact, no need to back it up with anything. Some day soon a council like Crawley BC will announce that they don't have any 20mph speed limits in their town and welcomes all visitors to their shopping centers, where they provide cheap or free parking and then we will see the likes of Worthing and Brighton councils crying over their wine glasses. Dave At Home
  • Score: 9

9:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Avril84 says...

Logically, and I think most councils see this is the benefit behind these 20mph zones that are happening in every city in the county, is to make people who would drive 40mph in a 30mph, drive 30mph in a 20mph basically. Unfortunately there are people who always do 10mph over the limit thinking its OK, and through a residential area, it's just not. I don't think I have to lecture people on the effects of a collision between 30mph and 40mph, it's... very noticeable to say the least.
Logically, and I think most councils see this is the benefit behind these 20mph zones that are happening in every city in the county, is to make people who would drive 40mph in a 30mph, drive 30mph in a 20mph basically. Unfortunately there are people who always do 10mph over the limit thinking its OK, and through a residential area, it's just not. I don't think I have to lecture people on the effects of a collision between 30mph and 40mph, it's... very noticeable to say the least. Avril84
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

kopite_rob wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton?
Their drivers in Saltdean can't keep to the 30 mph limit, so christ knows how they'd manage to stay at 20.
For the record Mr Chatfield there are 3 preschool nurseries and a junior school along Saltdean Vale. Could your drivers not perhaps SLOW THE FRACK DOWN!
tell him there is a church down there and the faithful are unhappy ,he will soon sort it out
[quote][p][bold]kopite_rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: If that is their feeling about a 20 mph limit, I assume they are also giving up their route in Brighton?[/p][/quote]Their drivers in Saltdean can't keep to the 30 mph limit, so christ knows how they'd manage to stay at 20. For the record Mr Chatfield there are 3 preschool nurseries and a junior school along Saltdean Vale. Could your drivers not perhaps SLOW THE FRACK DOWN![/p][/quote]tell him there is a church down there and the faithful are unhappy ,he will soon sort it out whatevernext2013
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

toldsloth wrote:
Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily.
tut tut the buses all have GPS and are monitored ,so at least lie about things that you cant be caught out on ,
[quote][p][bold]toldsloth[/bold] wrote: Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily.[/p][/quote]tut tut the buses all have GPS and are monitored ,so at least lie about things that you cant be caught out on , whatevernext2013
  • Score: -3

7:20am Wed 5 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

The arrogance and disregard for other road users by Compass is astounding. The roads are not there just for buses and cars to race as fast as they can between traffic lights or queues of traffic at junctions. If Compass does not like it, there are others that will take its place.

20 mph is a sufficient speed to make the roads and pavements more attractive to use for pedestrians and cyclists while having a minimal impact on journey times. It results in a far more relaxed driving style and to the reduction in severity of accidents. Crossing the road is far safer at 20 than 30mph, I also find it easier exiting junctions thanks to the 20 mph limit in B&H. Everyone is a winner! So much so that following a recent consultation in B&H to widen the 20mph area, some areas that voted against and have been left out are now campaigning to be included again!
The arrogance and disregard for other road users by Compass is astounding. The roads are not there just for buses and cars to race as fast as they can between traffic lights or queues of traffic at junctions. If Compass does not like it, there are others that will take its place. 20 mph is a sufficient speed to make the roads and pavements more attractive to use for pedestrians and cyclists while having a minimal impact on journey times. It results in a far more relaxed driving style and to the reduction in severity of accidents. Crossing the road is far safer at 20 than 30mph, I also find it easier exiting junctions thanks to the 20 mph limit in B&H. Everyone is a winner! So much so that following a recent consultation in B&H to widen the 20mph area, some areas that voted against and have been left out are now campaigning to be included again! HJarrs
  • Score: -4

1:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

toldsloth says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
toldsloth wrote:
Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily.
tut tut the buses all have GPS and are monitored ,so at least lie about things that you cant be caught out on ,
Er, I am not lying - go and stand down there and see for yourself. In fact, stand and look over a drivers shoulder. The limit was introduced after my friend was killed outside St Peters by......a bus.

I have lost count of the times I've reported drivers for excessive speed, driving like they've stolen the **** thing, running red lights - bottom of Edward Street is a favourite for that, and I have NEVER had a response from the company. I was forced off a crossing by a bus outside Boots - the driver literally intimidated me and two other people with his vehicle and yet NOTHING was done. There are some absolutely SHOCKING drivers on B&H and they are spoiling things for those who are conscientious, careful drivers who respect the fact that they have passengers on board and respect the relevant speed limits and lights.

Summing p, don't you DARE say that I am lying because B&H are NOT monitoring drivers, and even if they are, they are NOT doing anything about those that flout the rules because it wouldn't go down well and it would mess up the timetables.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toldsloth[/bold] wrote: Finally, some sense in the ridiculous 20mph crusade that councils seem hell - bent on pursuing. The only fly in the ointment is that there is little or no effect on bus and taxi services in Brighton because drivers just ignore the unenforceable limit anyway. Even when there was only a 20mph limit in the bus lane at St.Peters, B&H Bus drivers just ignored the limit. When the wider limit was introduced, Sussex Police stated they would not enforce it, it immediately got ignored by the majority of drivers. The money that has been wasted, and continues to be wasted, could have been better spent on driver education and other more relevant methods of reducing accidents and emissions. This administration will go down in history as the one and only time a Green council achieved power because they have done NOTHING but made a complete mess of this town. People don't forget things like that very easily.[/p][/quote]tut tut the buses all have GPS and are monitored ,so at least lie about things that you cant be caught out on ,[/p][/quote]Er, I am not lying - go and stand down there and see for yourself. In fact, stand and look over a drivers shoulder. The limit was introduced after my friend was killed outside St Peters by......a bus. I have lost count of the times I've reported drivers for excessive speed, driving like they've stolen the **** thing, running red lights - bottom of Edward Street is a favourite for that, and I have NEVER had a response from the company. I was forced off a crossing by a bus outside Boots - the driver literally intimidated me and two other people with his vehicle and yet NOTHING was done. There are some absolutely SHOCKING drivers on B&H and they are spoiling things for those who are conscientious, careful drivers who respect the fact that they have passengers on board and respect the relevant speed limits and lights. Summing p, don't you DARE say that I am lying because B&H are NOT monitoring drivers, and even if they are, they are NOT doing anything about those that flout the rules because it wouldn't go down well and it would mess up the timetables. toldsloth
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

ARMANA wrote:
Come to Brighton, its 30 mph here, no one does 20 here,
Indeed. I walk between Fiveways and Brighton station every day and I have noticed absolutely no difference in speed. It's possible that those roads aren't in the scheme of course, but I'm pretty sure that the road that leads down to Preston Circus is 20mph, but the limit is ignored by motorists and the authorities alike. Certainly I feel no more or less safe than I did before - and talk to the people of Storrington about how slow traffic results in increased emissions. (There's been at least two stories in the Argus about it). .
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Come to Brighton, its 30 mph here, no one does 20 here,[/p][/quote]Indeed. I walk between Fiveways and Brighton station every day and I have noticed absolutely no difference in speed. It's possible that those roads aren't in the scheme of course, but I'm pretty sure that the road that leads down to Preston Circus is 20mph, but the limit is ignored by motorists and the authorities alike. Certainly I feel no more or less safe than I did before - and talk to the people of Storrington about how slow traffic results in increased emissions. (There's been at least two stories in the Argus about it). . Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 1

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