The ArgusHas the curse of Preston Park struck again? Scores of newts, toads and frogs die after council cleans Brighton park pond (From The Argus)

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Has the curse of Preston Park struck again? Scores of newts, toads and frogs die after council cleans Brighton park pond

The Argus: Dr Corbett by the Rotunda Pond Dr Corbett by the Rotunda Pond

WITH VIDEO: A conservation expert has blamed council workers for the deaths of scores of mating amphibians.

Dr Keith Corbett estimates 50 amphibians have died following “poorly timed” and “careless” maintenance work at the Rotunda Pond in Brighton’s Preston Park.

Staff at Brighton and Hove City Council set about cleaning and fixing a leak in the pond during the winter and then, crucially, the breeding season.

Dr Corbett, who received an MBE for his ecology work over a period of 45 years, explained amphibians return to their ponds during this time of the year in order to mate and lay their eggs.

He said: “They shouldn’t be doing work at this time of the year. It’s careless and I would expect them to know better.

“Amphibians, and in particular the newts, have already started to return to the pond but there is no water.

“They can’t survive in those conditions, let alone mate and lay eggs.”

Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response.

He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee.

Dr Corbett visited the park with nets and a bucket to transport the dying newts to a nearby pond.

Last year the council came under fire for work done at a similar time of year on the nearby Preston Park Rockery.

With work overrunning on the site, staff failed to keep a supply of water, leading to the deaths of scores of mating toads.

Goldfish, perch and koi carp, who were moved into special tanks for the work, also died after their water was not kept fresh.

And in July, another ecological disaster struck when the park's stunning rosegarden was accidentally sprayed with weedkiller.

Dr Corbett added: “Last year was a disaster and I would have expected them to have learnt from it. But clearly not.”

A spokesman for the council described the Rotunda Pond incident as “disappointing” for both staff and the public.

He said: “The intention was not to be doing any work at all on the pond at this time of year – we’re well aware of the breeding season.

“We cleaned the pond and fixed some cracks over the winter as it needed maintenance.

"However, it has since started leaking. So we need to fix it and expect to have that done within a month – otherwise there would be no water and no habitat for the rest of the breeding season.

“In the meantime we’ll set up a temporary pond and volunteers and staff will be out looking for newts and rescuing them – either putting them in a pond at the other end of the park of into the temporary one. We’ve already saved about 200.”

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6:39am Thu 6 Mar 14

qm says...

Curse of Preston Park? Oh please!
Nothing to do with Preston Park! More to do with incompetent Council management led by a putrefying brown Council purporting to be green!
Curse of Preston Park? Oh please! Nothing to do with Preston Park! More to do with incompetent Council management led by a putrefying brown Council purporting to be green! qm
  • Score: 66

8:29am Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

After the last fiasco, you'd have thought the council would have sought out Dr Corbett's advice, as arguably the leading expert on UK amphibians. Not at bit of it though. Instead, they just totally ignore him, in their typically arrogant way.

The Greens have no understanding of nature, other than a means of boosting their egos (Biosphere bid) or seeking to exploit it for money (conversion of city parks for sheep grazing).

To watch the video of those dead and dying newts is appalling when this situation was TOTALLY avoidable. Pete West should resign, but of course he won't.......
After the last fiasco, you'd have thought the council would have sought out Dr Corbett's advice, as arguably the leading expert on UK amphibians. Not at bit of it though. Instead, they just totally ignore him, in their typically arrogant way. The Greens have no understanding of nature, other than a means of boosting their egos (Biosphere bid) or seeking to exploit it for money (conversion of city parks for sheep grazing). To watch the video of those dead and dying newts is appalling when this situation was TOTALLY avoidable. Pete West should resign, but of course he won't....... fredflintstone1
  • Score: 58

8:58am Thu 6 Mar 14

Martha Gunn says...

Another Green Party triumph brought to you by Lucas and Kitcat!

We really can't take much more of their One Planet Living.
Another Green Party triumph brought to you by Lucas and Kitcat! We really can't take much more of their One Planet Living. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 49

12:19pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

This has been brought on by decades of council cut backs. Every year when the new financial budget was set most people working in the council dept would know that more than likely the 1st device to be hit hard would be the parks and gardens. If you consider the amount of staff that was in each area over 20 years ago plus the council had a yearly trainee programme for school leavers to train up to replace those which were retiring. This has declined by over 50% of the manual work force thus loosing experienced , qualified staff. Yet the public and the councillors still expect the the service to remain unaffected. The sums cannot add up, something's got to give.
It started to go down hill when all the floral beds in the Victoria gardens were done away with. Twice a year these would be planted up, spring and summer. Brighton parks would be the envy of local councils down here. People would admire the floral displays but now there are commented for a different reason. At the time the current parks manager was furious and fought to keep these beds but was beaten by the number crunchers that run the depts. Once something goes for good due to a budget cut it rarely every returns. It's either dead & buried or sold off to the cheapest contractor. Arts and leisure dept done excately the same to the 2 golf courses because they couldn't make it work yet, still want their slice of the pie every year. Sometimes it works but quite often it goes tits up. You only have see the strikes and industrial action that's occurred on the golf courses last year.
You cannot blame one council for every thing but years of neglect starting when the council tried to off load the majority of their services to contractors to the likes of Ecovert and Fosca.
Yet if you get the chance, visit Harrogate in Yorkshire, another tourist location and walk through their gardens. See what a proud spectacular effort they make every year and wonder what is brighton doing wrong every year.
This has been brought on by decades of council cut backs. Every year when the new financial budget was set most people working in the council dept would know that more than likely the 1st device to be hit hard would be the parks and gardens. If you consider the amount of staff that was in each area over 20 years ago plus the council had a yearly trainee programme for school leavers to train up to replace those which were retiring. This has declined by over 50% of the manual work force thus loosing experienced , qualified staff. Yet the public and the councillors still expect the the service to remain unaffected. The sums cannot add up, something's got to give. It started to go down hill when all the floral beds in the Victoria gardens were done away with. Twice a year these would be planted up, spring and summer. Brighton parks would be the envy of local councils down here. People would admire the floral displays but now there are commented for a different reason. At the time the current parks manager was furious and fought to keep these beds but was beaten by the number crunchers that run the depts. Once something goes for good due to a budget cut it rarely every returns. It's either dead & buried or sold off to the cheapest contractor. Arts and leisure dept done excately the same to the 2 golf courses because they couldn't make it work yet, still want their slice of the pie every year. Sometimes it works but quite often it goes tits up. You only have see the strikes and industrial action that's occurred on the golf courses last year. You cannot blame one council for every thing but years of neglect starting when the council tried to off load the majority of their services to contractors to the likes of Ecovert and Fosca. Yet if you get the chance, visit Harrogate in Yorkshire, another tourist location and walk through their gardens. See what a proud spectacular effort they make every year and wonder what is brighton doing wrong every year. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 21

1:36pm Thu 6 Mar 14

a person says...

They said
“We cleaned the pond and fixed some cracks over the winter as it needed maintenance.
"However, it has since started leaking.”

It sounds as though the cracks were not fixed properly , so why not lay a rubber pond liner in the pond.
They last for years and no maintenance is required.

If there had been no water in the pond the frogs / newts would have gone on to the next pond, and not died.
They said “We cleaned the pond and fixed some cracks over the winter as it needed maintenance. "However, it has since started leaking.” It sounds as though the cracks were not fixed properly , so why not lay a rubber pond liner in the pond. They last for years and no maintenance is required. If there had been no water in the pond the frogs / newts would have gone on to the next pond, and not died. a person
  • Score: 20

2:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Richada says...

This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one. Richada
  • Score: 27

3:14pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Ania Green says...

This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened.
This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened. Ania Green
  • Score: -20

3:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Skidrow says...

Ania Bike!
Ania Bike! Skidrow
  • Score: 15

3:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Deanery says...

The Preston Park Rockery debacle was caused by Giles Leisure, a company employed by the council that specialise in cleaning hot tubs!! I bet they sent in the lowest quote or they're mates with someone at the council because they were certainly not qualified enough to do the job.
The Preston Park Rockery debacle was caused by Giles Leisure, a company employed by the council that specialise in cleaning hot tubs!! I bet they sent in the lowest quote or they're mates with someone at the council because they were certainly not qualified enough to do the job. Deanery
  • Score: 22

4:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 7

5:02pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures. Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

5:10pm Thu 6 Mar 14

peachesncream says...

Ania Green wrote:
This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened.
It's not not rocket science to see that the cause was total lack of care and incompetence, together with utter ignorance and lack of interest in anything other than in their egos and support for the vanity projects of our Green dictators.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened.[/p][/quote]It's not not rocket science to see that the cause was total lack of care and incompetence, together with utter ignorance and lack of interest in anything other than in their egos and support for the vanity projects of our Green dictators. peachesncream
  • Score: 14

5:21pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 10

5:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....).

Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go....

The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying.

Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.
[quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.[/p][/quote]No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....). Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go.... The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying. Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 14

5:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....).

Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go....

The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying.

Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.
[quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.[/p][/quote]No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....). Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go.... The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying. Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....).

Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go....

The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying.

Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.
I stand corrected then. When I was employed by the city parks bout 4 years ago there was staff in place with great knowledge and experience but over the last few years there has been in place encentives to reduce the number of long standing staff and to generally reduce numbers. Thus loosing long term, experienced staff.
It's not an easy task loosing your job in the council throw sacking ect. Usually due to the hiarachy normally failing on procedure, not doing investigations according to their own rules and procedures and the the unions stepping in running rings around them.
So it wouldn't suprise me at all. There was a case years ago when a member of staff was caught doing private work during works time, bad enough, but using the councils vehicle and tools as well. Alas he's still in his job.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.[/p][/quote]No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....). Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go.... The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying. Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.[/p][/quote]I stand corrected then. When I was employed by the city parks bout 4 years ago there was staff in place with great knowledge and experience but over the last few years there has been in place encentives to reduce the number of long standing staff and to generally reduce numbers. Thus loosing long term, experienced staff. It's not an easy task loosing your job in the council throw sacking ect. Usually due to the hiarachy normally failing on procedure, not doing investigations according to their own rules and procedures and the the unions stepping in running rings around them. So it wouldn't suprise me at all. There was a case years ago when a member of staff was caught doing private work during works time, bad enough, but using the councils vehicle and tools as well. Alas he's still in his job. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 11

6:04pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....).

Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go....

The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying.

Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.
I stand corrected then. When I was employed by the city parks bout 4 years ago there was staff in place with great knowledge and experience but over the last few years there has been in place encentives to reduce the number of long standing staff and to generally reduce numbers. Thus loosing long term, experienced staff.
It's not an easy task loosing your job in the council throw sacking ect. Usually due to the hiarachy normally failing on procedure, not doing investigations according to their own rules and procedures and the the unions stepping in running rings around them.
So it wouldn't suprise me at all. There was a case years ago when a member of staff was caught doing private work during works time, bad enough, but using the councils vehicle and tools as well. Alas he's still in his job.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.[/p][/quote]No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....). Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go.... The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying. Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.[/p][/quote]I stand corrected then. When I was employed by the city parks bout 4 years ago there was staff in place with great knowledge and experience but over the last few years there has been in place encentives to reduce the number of long standing staff and to generally reduce numbers. Thus loosing long term, experienced staff. It's not an easy task loosing your job in the council throw sacking ect. Usually due to the hiarachy normally failing on procedure, not doing investigations according to their own rules and procedures and the the unions stepping in running rings around them. So it wouldn't suprise me at all. There was a case years ago when a member of staff was caught doing private work during works time, bad enough, but using the councils vehicle and tools as well. Alas he's still in his job. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 5

6:24pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Richada says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Pheasant pluckers son wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.
No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....).

Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go....

The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying.

Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.
At the rate he's killing everything off, there will be nothing left to conserve and the council can then save his salary too.

Very soon the only "wildlife" to be found in B&H will be within the piles of uncollected rubbish - or feeding off of it.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pheasant pluckers son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]The council have their own in house ecologists based up stammer park with the country side rangers. Surely it's their job to make sure that all livestock is taken care off and any contractor that is employed has the correct knowledge, qualifications and should provide method statements and risk assessments of all tasks undertaken. I agree, we always see the top person in charge posing in the press for publicity when something is a huge success yet when it goes completely wrong they hide in their offices until the fuss blows over.[/p][/quote]No, the Council doesn't have a professional ecologist any more. They have simply promoted the unqualified person who was directly responsible for the illegal felling of the trees in Wild Park to the new post of Conservation Manager. (I kid you not ....). Under normal circumstances, one might have anticipated a sacking rather than promotion, especially as the Council (ie we) had to fork out for lots more trees to be planted in Stanmer Park to avoid a prosecution, but there you go.... The Council have glorified park keepers running things, and ignore someone of Dr Corbett's standing, whose interest lies in the welfare of the creatures that he has spent his life studying. Is it any wonder that it's all such a fiasco? The trouble is that once again, it's the wildlife that suffers, and you know nothing will be done about it.[/p][/quote]At the rate he's killing everything off, there will be nothing left to conserve and the council can then save his salary too. Very soon the only "wildlife" to be found in B&H will be within the piles of uncollected rubbish - or feeding off of it. Richada
  • Score: 9

6:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

a person says...

Surely common sense and free knowledge ,
If you don’t know something google it.
All the frogs / newts lives could have been saved .
Surely common sense and free knowledge , If you don’t know something google it. All the frogs / newts lives could have been saved . a person
  • Score: 10

7:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

a person wrote:
Surely common sense and free knowledge ,
If you don’t know something google it.
All the frogs / newts lives could have been saved .
There lies the problem. Common sense !
[quote][p][bold]a person[/bold] wrote: Surely common sense and free knowledge , If you don’t know something google it. All the frogs / newts lives could have been saved .[/p][/quote]There lies the problem. Common sense ! Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 12

7:17pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Al Bion says...

It sounds as though the job should have been supervised by that Green Councillor, Ann Fibian.
It sounds as though the job should have been supervised by that Green Councillor, Ann Fibian. Al Bion
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

If it meant putting another useless cycle lane through it I'm sure a majority of the green councillors would make an appearance
If it meant putting another useless cycle lane through it I'm sure a majority of the green councillors would make an appearance Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 4

10:18pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Ania Green wrote:
This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened.
In one word ... ineptitude! Another few words ... callous disregard for nature, the environment and the duty of care.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: This is a very unfortunate incident and we are currently looking into why this might have happened.[/p][/quote]In one word ... ineptitude! Another few words ... callous disregard for nature, the environment and the duty of care. mimseycal
  • Score: 8

10:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Levent says...

Were they as p*ssed as newts?
Were they as p*ssed as newts? Levent
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

qm says...

Al Bion wrote:
It sounds as though the job should have been supervised by that Green Councillor, Ann Fibian.
Brilliant ;)
[quote][p][bold]Al Bion[/bold] wrote: It sounds as though the job should have been supervised by that Green Councillor, Ann Fibian.[/p][/quote]Brilliant ;) qm
  • Score: 1

7:56am Fri 7 Mar 14

Parkfriend says...

I think that the fault here lies with the Park management - rather than the Green Party. In this case the need to get triple quotes was , it seems, overlooked for a while and then remembered - hence the delay into the newts breeding session. You are seeing the products of a less then competent CityParks management - one that , for example, started to repair the Rockery pond in January last year and then spent £75,000 ( verified by FOI request) on digging itself out of the self created hole it had dug by very poor project management. Don't expect a change if you vote back in either of the two other parties.
I think that the fault here lies with the Park management - rather than the Green Party. In this case the need to get triple quotes was , it seems, overlooked for a while and then remembered - hence the delay into the newts breeding session. You are seeing the products of a less then competent CityParks management - one that , for example, started to repair the Rockery pond in January last year and then spent £75,000 ( verified by FOI request) on digging itself out of the self created hole it had dug by very poor project management. Don't expect a change if you vote back in either of the two other parties. Parkfriend
  • Score: 5

8:03am Fri 7 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

8:54am Fri 7 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 5

9:21am Fri 7 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.
Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!!
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.[/p][/quote]Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

9:32am Fri 7 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!)

The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.
Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.
Cliché alert!
Before we get to Kitkat we have to go through a number of levels of management all reporting further up the chain of command - it's not unreasonable to suggest that someone in that structure should be taking the blame for this ineptitude rather than the leader of the council of whatever hue they might be!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Jeez, come on guys. Mr Kitkat doesn't micro-manage every single aspect of the Council's activities - nor do any of the other Green bogeymen. This really isn't his fault. (Well, not directly anyway!) The fault lies squarely with the people in the Parks department, and I'd have more sympathy with them if they hadn't wasted so much money butchering Wild Park trying to turn it into a sheep farm.[/p][/quote]Buck stops at the top though. Kitcat will be very quick to claim any success stories so he needs to take the blame for any failures.[/p][/quote]Cliché alert! Before we get to Kitkat we have to go through a number of levels of management all reporting further up the chain of command - it's not unreasonable to suggest that someone in that structure should be taking the blame for this ineptitude rather than the leader of the council of whatever hue they might be!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

9:54am Fri 7 Mar 14

Richada says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
Yes indeed, same "old rubbish" from me on this I'm afraid.

No, I do not think that the Green Councillors - any councillors indeed - were personally responsible for this, and neither, if you read what I wrote, did I say that they were.

The administration is however controlled by the Green party, who are delighted to associate themselves with, and take responsibility for, The Level redevelopment, the 20mph limits, the cycle lanes, the i360 etc......

.........however, the death of wildlife in our urban parks, the failure to collect our rubbish, carry out our recycling, repair our pavements, fill our potholes etc is either swept under the carpet completely, or dumped on to the council officers "responsible".

Unfortunately, life is such that we all have to take responsibility for our failures as well as trumpeting our successes.

In view of the last instance in Preston Park, the lack of any response here by Pete West is regrettable, he is after all chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee and as such has ben elected to overseeing such matters on our behalf.

Like it or not, the council was elected by the residents of B&H to oversee ALL council services, including parks and gardens - which, in my opinion at least, as Greens, should be close to their hearts.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]Yes indeed, same "old rubbish" from me on this I'm afraid. No, I do not think that the Green Councillors - any councillors indeed - were personally responsible for this, and neither, if you read what I wrote, did I say that they were. The administration is however controlled by the Green party, who are delighted to associate themselves with, and take responsibility for, The Level redevelopment, the 20mph limits, the cycle lanes, the i360 etc...... .........however, the death of wildlife in our urban parks, the failure to collect our rubbish, carry out our recycling, repair our pavements, fill our potholes etc is either swept under the carpet completely, or dumped on to the council officers "responsible". Unfortunately, life is such that we all have to take responsibility for our failures as well as trumpeting our successes. In view of the last instance in Preston Park, the lack of any response here by Pete West is regrettable, he is after all chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee and as such has ben elected to overseeing such matters on our behalf. Like it or not, the council was elected by the residents of B&H to oversee ALL council services, including parks and gardens - which, in my opinion at least, as Greens, should be close to their hearts. Richada
  • Score: 6

11:46am Fri 7 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.
Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!!
"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response.

He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee."
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.[/p][/quote]Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!![/p][/quote]"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response. He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee." fredflintstone1
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Fri 7 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.
Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!!
"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response.

He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee."
No - what it says is that he got no response from the local authority over two weeks (at what level we do not know).
It then says he contacted Pete Green - not ‘tried to' or 'attempted to' but 'contacted' him! Now neither you or I know the outcome of that contact or whether it was before, during or after his attempt to contact the local authority but one thing is for sure - your slur that Pete West 'personally ignored' this attempted contact is not borne out by this article - is it??!!
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.[/p][/quote]Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!![/p][/quote]"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response. He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee."[/p][/quote]No - what it says is that he got no response from the local authority over two weeks (at what level we do not know). It then says he contacted Pete Green - not ‘tried to' or 'attempted to' but 'contacted' him! Now neither you or I know the outcome of that contact or whether it was before, during or after his attempt to contact the local authority but one thing is for sure - your slur that Pete West 'personally ignored' this attempted contact is not borne out by this article - is it??!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

11:32pm Fri 7 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Richada wrote:
This saddens and sickens me.

It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline.

If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name.

The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.
Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?!
Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!!
So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.
Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!!
"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response.

He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee."
No - what it says is that he got no response from the local authority over two weeks (at what level we do not know).
It then says he contacted Pete Green - not ‘tried to' or 'attempted to' but 'contacted' him! Now neither you or I know the outcome of that contact or whether it was before, during or after his attempt to contact the local authority but one thing is for sure - your slur that Pete West 'personally ignored' this attempted contact is not borne out by this article - is it??!!
Read what I actually wrote. I asked "why has Pete West personally ignored the issue." I don't refer to Dr Corbett anywhere in that post, although presumably if Cllr West had replied to him, this would have been mentioned in the article.

This is now the third major wildlife kill in Preston Park in a year, resulting in the totally unnecessary and avoidable deaths of over 100 creatures. The council spokesman simply says it's "disappointing".

The majority of people would find these deaths and the council's response unacceptable. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the person in charge to address the issue directly, do you?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: This saddens and sickens me. It isn't as if we haven't been here before - hence the rather crummy headline. If the so called "Green" administration can't take proper advice on subjects that should be the very core of their existence then they are not a party worthy of their name. The fixing of cracks - twice over - reads like sheer ineptitude too, had it been done properly the first time this would have been very much less costly in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish Richard - do you REALLY think it is the Green councillors fhemselves who are responsible for this ****-up or is it the parks management and maybe workers too who having drained the pond haven't surveyed it properly to find the problem areas and then, once identified, carry out remedials to the required standard?! Actually that is probably what has happened isnt it - all against a background of years of cuts to the parks department losing experienced and valuable staff!![/p][/quote]So why has Pete West personally ignored the issue, as the article makes clear? Is he not a Green councillor? I think you'll find he's in charge of environmental issues - including CItyParks.[/p][/quote]Where on earth does the article say that Pete West 'personally ignored' Dr Corbett??!!![/p][/quote]"Dr Corbett contacted the local authority four times over two weeks but said he received no response. He also contacted councillor Pete West, chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee."[/p][/quote]No - what it says is that he got no response from the local authority over two weeks (at what level we do not know). It then says he contacted Pete Green - not ‘tried to' or 'attempted to' but 'contacted' him! Now neither you or I know the outcome of that contact or whether it was before, during or after his attempt to contact the local authority but one thing is for sure - your slur that Pete West 'personally ignored' this attempted contact is not borne out by this article - is it??!![/p][/quote]Read what I actually wrote. I asked "why has Pete West personally ignored the issue." I don't refer to Dr Corbett anywhere in that post, although presumably if Cllr West had replied to him, this would have been mentioned in the article. This is now the third major wildlife kill in Preston Park in a year, resulting in the totally unnecessary and avoidable deaths of over 100 creatures. The council spokesman simply says it's "disappointing". The majority of people would find these deaths and the council's response unacceptable. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the person in charge to address the issue directly, do you? fredflintstone1
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