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Cyclist fighting for life following Brighton seafront bus shelter crash

The Argus: The bus shelter the cyclist crashed into. Picture taken from Google Streetview The bus shelter the cyclist crashed into. Picture taken from Google Streetview

A man is fighting for his life following a crash into a bus shelter by the Brighton seafront cycle path. 

It took place on theshared footway and cycle path on the Upper Promenade parallel to the A259 King's Road, Brighton.

A Sussex Police statement said: "At 11.13pm on Friday, a 45-year-old Hove man riding a racing-style pedal cycle westbound along the shared footway and cycle path on the Upper Promenade parallel to the A259 King's Road, Brighton, was in collision with a bus shelter.

"He suffered potentially life-threatening head injuries and was taken by ambulance to the Royal Sussex County Hospital, Brighton. He was later transferred to the neurological unit at Hurstwood Park, Haywards Heath, where his condition remains critical.

Anyone who saw the collision or the cyclist prior to it happening is asked to phone Sussex Police on 101 or email collision.appeal@sussex.pnn.police.uk, quoting Operation Harris.

"The cyclist was wearing a dark jacket and beige trousers. The collision occurred opposite the Odeon Cinema."

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2:47pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton, ARMANA
  • Score: 27

3:18pm Mon 10 Mar 14

spa301 says...

How can anyone make a judgement on the cause from this typically sparse article?
There are many reasons why and how this could have occurred. Unfortunately this appalling excuse for a newspaper rarely does follow up articles to inform the public preferring to move from one 'sensational' story to the next.
Best wishes to the cyclist for a full recovery whatever the reason for the collision.
How can anyone make a judgement on the cause from this typically sparse article? There are many reasons why and how this could have occurred. Unfortunately this appalling excuse for a newspaper rarely does follow up articles to inform the public preferring to move from one 'sensational' story to the next. Best wishes to the cyclist for a full recovery whatever the reason for the collision. spa301
  • Score: 69

3:32pm Mon 10 Mar 14

BURIRAM says...

Cycle lanes are dangous they give a false sence of security, safer to use the main road.
Cycle lanes are dangous they give a false sence of security, safer to use the main road. BURIRAM
  • Score: -17

3:35pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Andy R says...

ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Idiot troll.
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Idiot troll. Andy R
  • Score: 1

3:39pm Mon 10 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed!
Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -27

3:43pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 35

4:06pm Mon 10 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed!
Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed![/p][/quote]Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -47

6:10pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Cyclists should ride slowly enough on these lanes to be able to react to the potential hazards, stopping if necessary, without swerving off across the footway into pedestrians and other inanimate objects. Pretty much the same as any other road user is expected to do on the highway.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Cyclists should ride slowly enough on these lanes to be able to react to the potential hazards, stopping if necessary, without swerving off across the footway into pedestrians and other inanimate objects. Pretty much the same as any other road user is expected to do on the highway. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 39

6:21pm Mon 10 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed!
Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted!
-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed![/p][/quote]Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted![/p][/quote]-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -54

6:25pm Mon 10 Mar 14

sugar man says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed!
Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted!
-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!!
there, i gave you an upsie! :)
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed![/p][/quote]Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted![/p][/quote]-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!![/p][/quote]there, i gave you an upsie! :) sugar man
  • Score: -28

6:46pm Mon 10 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

sugar man wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed!
Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted!
-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!!
there, i gave you an upsie! :)
Ha ha ha gratefully received kind sir!
[quote][p][bold]sugar man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that the original moronic comment has been removed![/p][/quote]Not sure why I would receive three thumbs down - unless those doi g it didn't see the original moronic comment before it was deleted![/p][/quote]-9 now!! There really are some shockingly brain-dead people out there who have clearly not seen the original offensive post that I was referring too! Get a life ffs!![/p][/quote]there, i gave you an upsie! :)[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha gratefully received kind sir! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -28

7:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

jimpy762 says...

I've given you one back down for keeping on whinging about it....
I've given you one back down for keeping on whinging about it.... jimpy762
  • Score: 25

7:57pm Mon 10 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

jimpy762 wrote:
I've given you one back down for keeping on whinging about it....
LOL!
[quote][p][bold]jimpy762[/bold] wrote: I've given you one back down for keeping on whinging about it....[/p][/quote]LOL! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -14

8:12pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Morpheus says...

There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision.
There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision. Morpheus
  • Score: 12

8:34pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Andy R wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Idiot troll.
On your bike, idiot Andy....
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Idiot troll.[/p][/quote]On your bike, idiot Andy.... ARMANA
  • Score: -18

8:34pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I agree with you Bob hence commuting cyclists still using the roads. However, i came off the bike doing a slow speed but the dog came out suddenly so jamming on the brakes sent me over the bars and the rear end skidded around.
I avoid the cycle lanes if they are in public places, two way and narrow.
I agree with you Bob hence commuting cyclists still using the roads. However, i came off the bike doing a slow speed but the dog came out suddenly so jamming on the brakes sent me over the bars and the rear end skidded around. I avoid the cycle lanes if they are in public places, two way and narrow. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 8

9:33pm Mon 10 Mar 14

dwhitt says...

terrible accident - hope the guy has chance of a recovery. Some cyclists do tend to power cycle along that stretch of the pavement when they know its peppered with pedestrians & pets. Doubt if any helmet would help him If hitting a stationary object at speed.
The point above on owners using extended dog leads is valid - they are a menace to man & machine. If your pet or lead suddenly crosses my bike path I wont be jamming on brakes to put myself in more danger, thank you - in fact you'll be hearing from my lawyer.
terrible accident - hope the guy has chance of a recovery. Some cyclists do tend to power cycle along that stretch of the pavement when they know its peppered with pedestrians & pets. Doubt if any helmet would help him If hitting a stationary object at speed. The point above on owners using extended dog leads is valid - they are a menace to man & machine. If your pet or lead suddenly crosses my bike path I wont be jamming on brakes to put myself in more danger, thank you - in fact you'll be hearing from my lawyer. dwhitt
  • Score: 9

9:47pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Morpheus wrote:
There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision.
Just read a tweet telling me that there was a death on this track in its first month!
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision.[/p][/quote]Just read a tweet telling me that there was a death on this track in its first month! Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 4

10:09pm Mon 10 Mar 14

FatherTed11 says...

Morpheus wrote:
There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision.
Welcome to planet Earth.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of places on this cycle route where it only needs a cyclist and/or a pedestrian not paying attention and there is nowhere to go to avoid a collision.[/p][/quote]Welcome to planet Earth. FatherTed11
  • Score: 10

10:30pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Mr chock says...

image taken from google street view ?? its a bit odd the google street view i thought was a car ... i have seen photos of the car http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Google_Stre
et_View_privacy_conc
erns
and it was on the cycle lane ... MAYBE the cyclist was avoiding something like a pedestrian or a seagull . lets just hope the bike was not stolen .. or the cyclist was on illegal drugs . apparently the police made 1 arrests for drunk cyclists in the last 3 years .. http://road.cc/conte
nt/news/85090-sussex
-police-confirm-just
-1-arrest-3-years-cy
cling-while-drunk
image taken from google street view ?? its a bit odd the google street view i thought was a car ... i have seen photos of the car http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Google_Stre et_View_privacy_conc erns and it was on the cycle lane ... MAYBE the cyclist was avoiding something like a pedestrian or a seagull . lets just hope the bike was not stolen .. or the cyclist was on illegal drugs . apparently the police made 1 arrests for drunk cyclists in the last 3 years .. http://road.cc/conte nt/news/85090-sussex -police-confirm-just -1-arrest-3-years-cy cling-while-drunk Mr chock
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Mr chock says...

OHH HECK google street view vehicle has clearly driven all along the cycle / pavement along the seafront at brighton and hove ..
http://goo.gl/maps/x
qxke


who let them drive along there ? google Whoops photographing their own crimes once again ...
OHH HECK google street view vehicle has clearly driven all along the cycle / pavement along the seafront at brighton and hove .. http://goo.gl/maps/x qxke who let them drive along there ? google Whoops photographing their own crimes once again ... Mr chock
  • Score: -4

11:07pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Levent says...

ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a
lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means.

I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO?
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means. I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO? Levent
  • Score: -22

11:22pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Levent wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a
lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means.

I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO?
Not me BOZO, I dont walk round looking at my mobil, like many do, Im in my 3 ltr estate doing 30, in a 20 zone bud, now if I was dopey brained ,id be on a bicycle on a busy main road like you bud, see ya soon BOZO,
[quote][p][bold]Levent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means. I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO?[/p][/quote]Not me BOZO, I dont walk round looking at my mobil, like many do, Im in my 3 ltr estate doing 30, in a 20 zone bud, now if I was dopey brained ,id be on a bicycle on a busy main road like you bud, see ya soon BOZO, ARMANA
  • Score: 6

11:44pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Catey cat says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
I'm sorry, so we paid how much out of our taxes for these cycle lanes and you still use the road. Ridiculous! What a waste of tax payers money. Maybe I can drive on the pavement and avoid all the cyclists!?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, so we paid how much out of our taxes for these cycle lanes and you still use the road. Ridiculous! What a waste of tax payers money. Maybe I can drive on the pavement and avoid all the cyclists!? Catey cat
  • Score: -5

3:08am Tue 11 Mar 14

Zeta Function says...

There's still a lot of debris from the storms lying around on the seafront. A rock in a wrong place...

Cyclists: don't smoke, don't check your phone, don't drink when you cycle. Focus. Use both hands. Assume all pedestrians, other cyclists and drivers are idiots.
There's still a lot of debris from the storms lying around on the seafront. A rock in a wrong place... Cyclists: don't smoke, don't check your phone, don't drink when you cycle. Focus. Use both hands. Assume all pedestrians, other cyclists and drivers are idiots. Zeta Function
  • Score: 20

6:47am Tue 11 Mar 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Idiot troll.
A rare moment of self awareness from Andy R.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Idiot troll.[/p][/quote]A rare moment of self awareness from Andy R. JHunty
  • Score: 3

7:24am Tue 11 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

Levent wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,
Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a
lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means.

I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO?
Presumably you're one of those cyclists that haven't read the highway code, or have re-imagined its contents over the years?
[quote][p][bold]Levent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Its the Bus shelters fault, No way was the cyclist in the wrong, !!! not in Brighton,[/p][/quote]Most probably you dopey brain-dead pedestrians who have no idea what a lane coloured red with painted on bike emblems and cyclists riding it on means. I hope the next time you walk on the cycle path gawping down at your phone, like you're actually important, it's NOT the bus shelter that takes the brunt. Know what I mean BOZO?[/p][/quote]Presumably you're one of those cyclists that haven't read the highway code, or have re-imagined its contents over the years? Plantpot
  • Score: 1

7:25am Tue 11 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Someone is critically injured, we don't know the full circumstances. I hope this person pulls through and makes a full recovery.

Perhaps the Argus could do a follow up article when full details of the incident are available. That is the time for ( mostly irrelevant) comments.
Someone is critically injured, we don't know the full circumstances. I hope this person pulls through and makes a full recovery. Perhaps the Argus could do a follow up article when full details of the incident are available. That is the time for ( mostly irrelevant) comments. HJarrs
  • Score: 10

7:26am Tue 11 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Cycle lanes are dangous they give a false sence of security, safer to use the main road.
It depends on how you use the cycle lane. On hot sunny days on the front I'm amazed at the number of cyclists that go at completely inappropriate speeds and who look as if they are inviting a confrontation with pedestrians. Be careful what you wish for.....
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Cycle lanes are dangous they give a false sence of security, safer to use the main road.[/p][/quote]It depends on how you use the cycle lane. On hot sunny days on the front I'm amazed at the number of cyclists that go at completely inappropriate speeds and who look as if they are inviting a confrontation with pedestrians. Be careful what you wish for..... Plantpot
  • Score: 16

7:28am Tue 11 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

dwhitt wrote:
terrible accident - hope the guy has chance of a recovery. Some cyclists do tend to power cycle along that stretch of the pavement when they know its peppered with pedestrians & pets. Doubt if any helmet would help him If hitting a stationary object at speed.
The point above on owners using extended dog leads is valid - they are a menace to man & machine. If your pet or lead suddenly crosses my bike path I wont be jamming on brakes to put myself in more danger, thank you - in fact you'll be hearing from my lawyer.
Good luck with that.
[quote][p][bold]dwhitt[/bold] wrote: terrible accident - hope the guy has chance of a recovery. Some cyclists do tend to power cycle along that stretch of the pavement when they know its peppered with pedestrians & pets. Doubt if any helmet would help him If hitting a stationary object at speed. The point above on owners using extended dog leads is valid - they are a menace to man & machine. If your pet or lead suddenly crosses my bike path I wont be jamming on brakes to put myself in more danger, thank you - in fact you'll be hearing from my lawyer.[/p][/quote]Good luck with that. Plantpot
  • Score: 6

8:58am Tue 11 Mar 14

Can this be says...

I hesitate to comment on this article and the comments made, and above all else I hope the cyclist is recovering.

However, I can understand why cyclists may choose to use the road as they are perfectly entitled to if they wish. It would not take anyone more than half an hour to see the problem along that bit of the seafront - far too much squeezed into too little space. People getting off tourist buses straight into the Cycle Lane, or coming across a supposedly safe Green Man controlled pedestrian crossing delivering them straight into a Cycle Lane are just two examples.

Then there are pedestrians wandering about into the Cycle Lane immediately adjacent to the footpath and cyclists who do not understand the Give Way signs on the Cycle Lane at the pedestrian crossings. Many cyclists use the Cycle Lanes for commuting or just like to cycle fast as they are entitled to rather than just going for a casual ride alongside the sea.

I go back to where I started from - too much crammed into too little space affecting both cyclists and pedestrians.
I hesitate to comment on this article and the comments made, and above all else I hope the cyclist is recovering. However, I can understand why cyclists may choose to use the road as they are perfectly entitled to if they wish. It would not take anyone more than half an hour to see the problem along that bit of the seafront - far too much squeezed into too little space. People getting off tourist buses straight into the Cycle Lane, or coming across a supposedly safe Green Man controlled pedestrian crossing delivering them straight into a Cycle Lane are just two examples. Then there are pedestrians wandering about into the Cycle Lane immediately adjacent to the footpath and cyclists who do not understand the Give Way signs on the Cycle Lane at the pedestrian crossings. Many cyclists use the Cycle Lanes for commuting or just like to cycle fast as they are entitled to rather than just going for a casual ride alongside the sea. I go back to where I started from - too much crammed into too little space affecting both cyclists and pedestrians. Can this be
  • Score: 22

9:22am Tue 11 Mar 14

hoveguyactually says...

Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen.
We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.
Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen. We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 2

9:41am Tue 11 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen.
We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.
replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen. We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.[/p][/quote]replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view. sabbat36
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

sabbat36 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen.
We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.
replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view.
The 'mad obsession' with cycling is not just restricted to Brighton greens, in fact 'cycle crazed lunatics' appear to have taken over local authorities all over the UK, just look at London with crazed cyclists everywhere nowadays. Why these lunatics choose a healthy and cheap transport option when they could be sitting in a metal box in a traffic jam pumping their hard earned cash into the atmosphere is simply beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen. We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.[/p][/quote]replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view.[/p][/quote]The 'mad obsession' with cycling is not just restricted to Brighton greens, in fact 'cycle crazed lunatics' appear to have taken over local authorities all over the UK, just look at London with crazed cyclists everywhere nowadays. Why these lunatics choose a healthy and cheap transport option when they could be sitting in a metal box in a traffic jam pumping their hard earned cash into the atmosphere is simply beyond me. gheese77
  • Score: 9

3:47pm Tue 11 Mar 14

davyboy says...

A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists
A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists davyboy
  • Score: 6

7:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Catey cat, I'm sure you ram your car half way up pavements drive and park in annoying places, ie cash points, fast food shops or anywhere you don't fancy walking to. Go on admit it.
I also drive a car and a motorbike and pay tax on both of these, so I will ride where I like road or cycle lane.
It's not against the law.
Catey cat, I'm sure you ram your car half way up pavements drive and park in annoying places, ie cash points, fast food shops or anywhere you don't fancy walking to. Go on admit it. I also drive a car and a motorbike and pay tax on both of these, so I will ride where I like road or cycle lane. It's not against the law. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -1

8:19pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Hove Actually says...

You could sort this out Tomorrow if you wanted

Free park & ride on the outskirts of town with cheap travel into town.
Cheap bus travel like Rome for instance where 1€ gets you 100 mins travel on bus or metro.

In other words carrot instead of stick, over to you kitcrap
You could sort this out Tomorrow if you wanted Free park & ride on the outskirts of town with cheap travel into town. Cheap bus travel like Rome for instance where 1€ gets you 100 mins travel on bus or metro. In other words carrot instead of stick, over to you kitcrap Hove Actually
  • Score: 5

9:12pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Many of the cyclists that I talk to about the seafront cycle lane are unaware that the lane is a shared lane and pedestrians have a perfect right to use it, When I walk along the seafront I wouldn't walk in the lane as it would be ill mannered but when I cycle I ride slowly enough so that I can stop when a pedestrian, usually a daytripper, who is totally unaware of the lane just strolls across it. Cyclists in a hurry should, as you do, use the road and the lane should really only be used by cyclists prepared to take their time.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Many of the cyclists that I talk to about the seafront cycle lane are unaware that the lane is a shared lane and pedestrians have a perfect right to use it, When I walk along the seafront I wouldn't walk in the lane as it would be ill mannered but when I cycle I ride slowly enough so that I can stop when a pedestrian, usually a daytripper, who is totally unaware of the lane just strolls across it. Cyclists in a hurry should, as you do, use the road and the lane should really only be used by cyclists prepared to take their time. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 10

9:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

jimpy762 says...

Cyclists. Get a bike with an engine...
Cyclists. Get a bike with an engine... jimpy762
  • Score: -2

9:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

davyboy wrote:
A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists
How do you know he was going fast? Its perfectly possible to get seriously hurt at low speeds
[quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists[/p][/quote]How do you know he was going fast? Its perfectly possible to get seriously hurt at low speeds gheese77
  • Score: -3

10:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ON THE RIVET says...

I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton.

I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path.

Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is.

Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! !

One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet.
I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton. I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path. Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is. Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! ! One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet. ON THE RIVET
  • Score: 7

11:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

Stop Mithering says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Agreed, especially with the last bit.
This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane.
Could the council look at changing the layout?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially with the last bit. This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane. Could the council look at changing the layout? Stop Mithering
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Wed 12 Mar 14

davyboy says...

gheese77 wrote:
davyboy wrote:
A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists
How do you know he was going fast? Its perfectly possible to get seriously hurt at low speeds
No it isn't! Life threatening/ changing injuries cannot be sustained at low speed. Yes you may suffer bruising and abrasions, maybe even a break of some sort, but major trauma?
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: A cyclist has life threatening or changing injuries. I do hope that he recovers. To get serious injuries like that you need to realise that it requires a fairly high speed. As this is a shared path, pedestrians and cyclists have a duty of care to each other. Cyclists must ride at an appropriate speed, and others must also watch for cyclists[/p][/quote]How do you know he was going fast? Its perfectly possible to get seriously hurt at low speeds[/p][/quote]No it isn't! Life threatening/ changing injuries cannot be sustained at low speed. Yes you may suffer bruising and abrasions, maybe even a break of some sort, but major trauma? davyboy
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Wed 12 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Stop Mithering wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Agreed, especially with the last bit.
This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane.
Could the council look at changing the layout?
Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?!
This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical!
[quote][p][bold]Stop Mithering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially with the last bit. This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane. Could the council look at changing the layout?[/p][/quote]Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?! This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

11:29pm Wed 12 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Stop Mithering wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Agreed, especially with the last bit.
This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane.
Could the council look at changing the layout?
Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?!
This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical!
More Bolxxx,!!!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Mithering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially with the last bit. This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane. Could the council look at changing the layout?[/p][/quote]Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?! This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical![/p][/quote]More Bolxxx,!!! ARMANA
  • Score: -1

12:00am Thu 13 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

ARMANA wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Stop Mithering wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Agreed, especially with the last bit.
This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane.
Could the council look at changing the layout?
Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?!
This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical!
More Bolxxx,!!!
Yeah - your post, as ever!
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Mithering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially with the last bit. This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane. Could the council look at changing the layout?[/p][/quote]Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?! This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical![/p][/quote]More Bolxxx,!!![/p][/quote]Yeah - your post, as ever! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

12:00am Thu 13 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

ARMANA wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Stop Mithering wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous.
I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars.
I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.
Agreed, especially with the last bit.
This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane.
Could the council look at changing the layout?
Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?!
This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical!
More Bolxxx,!!!
Yeah - your post, as ever!
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Mithering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: There could be an array of reasons, but this section of the lane is very narrow and I wonder if someone was coming in the opposite direction taking up too much of the narrow lane and the cyclist moved across and hit the shelter.two way cycle lanes are extremely dangerous. I broke my collar bone on a bike in this lane as a dog ran across the lane on an extendable lead and I went over the handle bars. I stick to the road now particularly as this lane had too many dangers associated with it including unaware tourists and kiddies wandering into it, roaming dogs, selfish cyclists taking up the whole lane etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed, especially with the last bit. This is one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road. Pedestrians wander into the lane all the time. There is also a problem at pedestrian crossings where the crossed thinks they are safe and stops to decide which direction to go in but are actually stood in the middle of the lane. Could the council look at changing the layout?[/p][/quote]Sorry but what do you mean 'this is the one place where the cycle lane would be better in the road'?! This cycle lane stretches from Peter Pan to Hove Lagoon as part of the pavement and adjacent to the pedestrian section of the same pavement so the idea that this is the 'one place' that it should be altered is totally illogical![/p][/quote]More Bolxxx,!!![/p][/quote]Yeah - your post, as ever! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

11:35am Thu 13 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

Hove Actually wrote:
You could sort this out Tomorrow if you wanted

Free park & ride on the outskirts of town with cheap travel into town.
Cheap bus travel like Rome for instance where 1€ gets you 100 mins travel on bus or metro.

In other words carrot instead of stick, over to you kitcrap
Park and ride has been looked at many times. There are no suitable sites.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: You could sort this out Tomorrow if you wanted Free park & ride on the outskirts of town with cheap travel into town. Cheap bus travel like Rome for instance where 1€ gets you 100 mins travel on bus or metro. In other words carrot instead of stick, over to you kitcrap[/p][/quote]Park and ride has been looked at many times. There are no suitable sites. Plantpot
  • Score: -2

11:37am Thu 13 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

gheese77 wrote:
sabbat36 wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen.
We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.
replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view.
The 'mad obsession' with cycling is not just restricted to Brighton greens, in fact 'cycle crazed lunatics' appear to have taken over local authorities all over the UK, just look at London with crazed cyclists everywhere nowadays. Why these lunatics choose a healthy and cheap transport option when they could be sitting in a metal box in a traffic jam pumping their hard earned cash into the atmosphere is simply beyond me.
It's called personal choice. What we are now seeing is a disproportionate amount of road space and cash being spent on a tiny number of road users, many of whom choose to ignore the rules of the road as a personal statement to the rest of society.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Well, the council has a lot to answer for, with its mad obsession with pouring more and more cyclists on to our streets, and particularly onto our pedestrian ways. Such an accident was bound to happen. We are now bombarded with cyclists all over the place. On Sunday afternoon Hove promenade was a nightmare with masses of them unable to read "No cycling" notices. It has become a very dangerous and unpleasant situation, that badly needs reviewing.[/p][/quote]replace the word "cyclists" with "cars" and you get a more appropriate world view.[/p][/quote]The 'mad obsession' with cycling is not just restricted to Brighton greens, in fact 'cycle crazed lunatics' appear to have taken over local authorities all over the UK, just look at London with crazed cyclists everywhere nowadays. Why these lunatics choose a healthy and cheap transport option when they could be sitting in a metal box in a traffic jam pumping their hard earned cash into the atmosphere is simply beyond me.[/p][/quote]It's called personal choice. What we are now seeing is a disproportionate amount of road space and cash being spent on a tiny number of road users, many of whom choose to ignore the rules of the road as a personal statement to the rest of society. Plantpot
  • Score: 1

8:08am Fri 14 Mar 14

ken standing says...

ON THE RIVET wrote:
I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton.

I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path.

Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is.

Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! !

One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet.
Agree completely. I cycle along there but always slowly. Some of the lycra brigade though regard it as a linear velodrome and zip along silently and terrifyingly. A child or a visitor or deaf person could easily step into the path of one of these show-offs. Cyclists are not very noticeable at the best of times.

In this case it could easily be that the rider was distracted, fiddling with his bike of something. It's not like being on the open road; there are many places where the path deviates around and past obstacles. You have no awareness of others speeding to overtake and might easily wander into their path as they speed past.

It wasn't thought out in the zealous enthusiasm to serve cyclists concerns. People will continue to get hurt.
[quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton. I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path. Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is. Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! ! One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet.[/p][/quote]Agree completely. I cycle along there but always slowly. Some of the lycra brigade though regard it as a linear velodrome and zip along silently and terrifyingly. A child or a visitor or deaf person could easily step into the path of one of these show-offs. Cyclists are not very noticeable at the best of times. In this case it could easily be that the rider was distracted, fiddling with his bike of something. It's not like being on the open road; there are many places where the path deviates around and past obstacles. You have no awareness of others speeding to overtake and might easily wander into their path as they speed past. It wasn't thought out in the zealous enthusiasm to serve cyclists concerns. People will continue to get hurt. ken standing
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

inmegarden says...

ON THE RIVET wrote:
I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton.

I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path.

Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is.

Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! !

One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet.
Completely agree!
There is no reason to drive in the center if you are fit and able.
Have a walk, catch a bus or taxi if needed but keep your smelly dangerous ego metal lump away from me and mine.
[quote][p][bold]ON THE RIVET[/bold] wrote: I have ridden a bike along that cycle path and to be honest whoever though it would be a good idea to have a cycle path on the pavement needs an education in road and cycle lane management. But that could be said for many cycle paths in Brighton. I hope this person survives after this incident but mark my words sooner or later someone is going to die on this seafront cycle path. Whether it is a unsuspecting visitor to Brighton who doesn't know about the cycle path or just another cyclist who crashes into the many bits of furniture that is on the path. Please Brighton Council do something about it. There is a perfectly good road next to the pavement with two lanes all it takes is to widen the road and we could get the cyclist off the pavement which are for pedestrians and on to a much better cycle path set up where the road is. Or just close one lane off each side for cars and leave the other lane for cyclist after all the traffic needs slowing down in Brighton anyway. Is anybody really abiding the 20mph speed limit in Brighton ? ? I know the buses aren't ! ! ! ! One day the powers that be will realise that it would make great financial sense for all in Brighton to make Brighton seafront and town centre a car free area. But people don't get that idea just yet.[/p][/quote]Completely agree! There is no reason to drive in the center if you are fit and able. Have a walk, catch a bus or taxi if needed but keep your smelly dangerous ego metal lump away from me and mine. inmegarden
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11:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Mobility scooters have a speed limit for when they are on pavements which is 4 MPH. The same should be done for bikes on pavements - common sense really.
Mobility scooters have a speed limit for when they are on pavements which is 4 MPH. The same should be done for bikes on pavements - common sense really. getThisCoalitionOut
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6:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

grabur says...

Any update?

You can injure yourself quite badly at low speeds, I broke a rib and my wrist at below 4 miles an hour, due to a bad fall at a tight corner. I saw a cyclist the other day come off when they met a small lip/step at the end of a driveway.

It's also very easy to clip your handlebars, on objects that are close to the cycle lane. The bus stop is not bright and obvious, it has black trimmings. Dark bollards and lamposts are littered throughout Brighton's cycle lanes and for any one that has hit these, it's not nice eating concrete.

The cycle lanes are not obvious to pedestrians, even if they are painted a different colour. It can be a very congested area right there. I personally prefer the road from the bottom of West Street towards the Pier. And that's not much fun either.

I'm not a fan of cycle paths per se, but it feels really natural to cycle close to the sea front. Being stuck on the other side of Hove lawns away from the prom isn't so nice, I'd rather cycle down the prom. But it's better than being on the road, and is generally more relaxed.

There aren't that many places you can cycle and feel that way. Cycling that part of Hove lawns, you only have to dodge a few pedestrians that stumble out from their cars, so it's an enjoyable stretch.

I've always thought the black A frames look pretty dangerous with their adverts. Haven't we lost a few cyclists down the stairs to the sea front in the past?

Sometimes you have to weave around pedestrians and move away from the track so in those circumstances could hit such an obstacle.

Tracks mostly aren't needed if people are sensible, and the surfaces are good, and the street furniture is obvious.

Pedestrians of course should get right of way.

I hope the cyclist recovered.
Any update? You can injure yourself quite badly at low speeds, I broke a rib and my wrist at below 4 miles an hour, due to a bad fall at a tight corner. I saw a cyclist the other day come off when they met a small lip/step at the end of a driveway. It's also very easy to clip your handlebars, on objects that are close to the cycle lane. The bus stop is not bright and obvious, it has black trimmings. Dark bollards and lamposts are littered throughout Brighton's cycle lanes and for any one that has hit these, it's not nice eating concrete. The cycle lanes are not obvious to pedestrians, even if they are painted a different colour. It can be a very congested area right there. I personally prefer the road from the bottom of West Street towards the Pier. And that's not much fun either. I'm not a fan of cycle paths per se, but it feels really natural to cycle close to the sea front. Being stuck on the other side of Hove lawns away from the prom isn't so nice, I'd rather cycle down the prom. But it's better than being on the road, and is generally more relaxed. There aren't that many places you can cycle and feel that way. Cycling that part of Hove lawns, you only have to dodge a few pedestrians that stumble out from their cars, so it's an enjoyable stretch. I've always thought the black A frames look pretty dangerous with their adverts. Haven't we lost a few cyclists down the stairs to the sea front in the past? Sometimes you have to weave around pedestrians and move away from the track so in those circumstances could hit such an obstacle. Tracks mostly aren't needed if people are sensible, and the surfaces are good, and the street furniture is obvious. Pedestrians of course should get right of way. I hope the cyclist recovered. grabur
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