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Commuters have "no choice" but to use public transport in Brighton and Hove say campaigners

The Argus: Campaigners say a lack of parking is leaving commuters no choice but to use public transport Campaigners say a lack of parking is leaving commuters no choice but to use public transport

COMMUTERS are being left with no choice but to use public transport because of a lack of parking in Brighton and Hove.

That was the reaction of campaigners after new figures showed that the number of cars in the city had fallen with 2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago.

The figures bucked the national trend, which has seen the numbers of cars on our streets rising by half a million each year across the country.

But according to Steve Percy of the People’s Parking Protest, the fall was mostly down to the difficulty car owners had when they entered the city.

“The biggest reason for the decline in ownership is that the Green council is making it so difficult to use a car in this city,” he said. “People are being forced onto public transport as it is so difficult to park or to go to the shops.

“I think commuters are being affected the most as if they work in the city, they have no choice but use public transport.”

The ownership figures were released earlier this week by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, which takes DVLA figures and checks them against its data- base of newly-registered cars.

But councillors hailed the new information as fantastic news and said council plans to promote other forms of transport had worked, correlating with the city’s falling carbon emissions.

Councillor Pete West, chairman of the environment, transport and sustainability Committee said: “It’s fantastic that these figures show the number of cars on our streets is now falling.

“Car numbers rose over the past decade but since 2011 the Green-led council has been working hard to make it easier for people to choose alternatives to car ownership to get around the city including better walking, cycling and public transport facilities.” He added that Brighton and Hove leads the way in sustainable transport. Brighton and Hove’s carbon dioxide levels have fallen 5.3% since 2009.

Chris Peck, from The National Cycling Charity, said Brighton has seen a 118% increase in cyclists between 2001 and 2011. Brighton and Hove has the fourth biggest decline in ownership nationally – coming in behind Liverpool, Blackpool and Swansea with 93,446 registered cars.

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9:08am Thu 13 Mar 14

Phani Tikkala says...

I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more.

B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days.

For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free".

A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well.

Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it.
I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more. B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days. For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free". A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well. Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it. Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 46

9:31am Thu 13 Mar 14

Tallywhacker says...

Or alternatively: Brighton has a large number of unregistered cars who also have no insurance or license. People who formerly had 2 cars now have 1 due to lack of funds. There are more empty houses so fewer cars. More houses are student lets most of who don't have cars. Meaningless statistics again. It works out at less than 300 cars a year, hardly a dramatic drop in car ownership ( not how many cars actually come into Brighton). And carbon monoxide will drop if you keep the bin waggons off the roads because you can't work out a system of work.
Or alternatively: Brighton has a large number of unregistered cars who also have no insurance or license. People who formerly had 2 cars now have 1 due to lack of funds. There are more empty houses so fewer cars. More houses are student lets most of who don't have cars. Meaningless statistics again. It works out at less than 300 cars a year, hardly a dramatic drop in car ownership ( not how many cars actually come into Brighton). And carbon monoxide will drop if you keep the bin waggons off the roads because you can't work out a system of work. Tallywhacker
  • Score: 36

9:42am Thu 13 Mar 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more.

B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days.

For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free".

A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well.

Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it.
What a load of rubbish.

There are towns and cities all over the country where people can park wherever they please but still don't venture into town to do their shopping.

The reason people don't bother is because of number of out of town shopping areas like the ones you've mentioned that suck the life from smaller independent shops. These businesses are strategically placed on the main routes into towns and so people coming from out of town usually have to drive past them before reaching the town centre.

In addition people are also doing more and more shopping online meaning that people don't venture into town.

Blaming it on parking is complete nonsense and this can be easily proven by looking at the nation as a whole and how town-centres have declined to the point where even some of the largest national brands are struggling without a strong online presence.

It is the supermarkets and the internet that have had the biggest impact on the decline of the town-centre but instead you'd prefer to attribute the blame for a national trend that has been evident for 15 years to the Green party who have been in office for less than 4 years.
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more. B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days. For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free". A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well. Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. There are towns and cities all over the country where people can park wherever they please but still don't venture into town to do their shopping. The reason people don't bother is because of number of out of town shopping areas like the ones you've mentioned that suck the life from smaller independent shops. These businesses are strategically placed on the main routes into towns and so people coming from out of town usually have to drive past them before reaching the town centre. In addition people are also doing more and more shopping online meaning that people don't venture into town. Blaming it on parking is complete nonsense and this can be easily proven by looking at the nation as a whole and how town-centres have declined to the point where even some of the largest national brands are struggling without a strong online presence. It is the supermarkets and the internet that have had the biggest impact on the decline of the town-centre but instead you'd prefer to attribute the blame for a national trend that has been evident for 15 years to the Green party who have been in office for less than 4 years. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: -29

10:24am Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?" Andy R
  • Score: 21

10:35am Thu 13 Mar 14

Gribbet says...

People's Parking Protest (whoever or whatever they are) need a slap on the wrist for pedalling misinformation, just like the one Unchain The Brighton Motorist received when they were called out by the Advertising Standards Authority.
People's Parking Protest (whoever or whatever they are) need a slap on the wrist for pedalling misinformation, just like the one Unchain The Brighton Motorist received when they were called out by the Advertising Standards Authority. Gribbet
  • Score: -19

10:36am Thu 13 Mar 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: -9

10:38am Thu 13 Mar 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"[/p][/quote]Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion. JHunty
  • Score: 10

10:42am Thu 13 Mar 14

Phani Tikkala says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay.

If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak.

It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands….

Well, you get what you vote for….
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay. If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak. It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands…. Well, you get what you vote for…. Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 22

10:45am Thu 13 Mar 14

kopite_rob says...

Correlation does not imply causation.

Just a few facts that might have passed by;
Last year in 27 EU states more new bicycles were sold than cars, including the UK.
13.5% of all purchases in the UK were done online in 2010,projected to rise to 23% by 2016. Equivalent of £2 out of every £10 spent to £1 in £7.
The web contributes 8.3% of GDP projected to be worth £221 billion by 2016.
In comparison congestion costs the country £4.3 billion a year.
1/3 of Brighton's population doesn't own a car.
Brighton is a net exporter of commuters.
Bus passengers made 44.8 million journeys in 2012/13

It's very disingenuous to associate a decline in car ownership and a lack of parking on ability to travel into town, commuter behaviour or a decline in retail footfall.

Perhaps the fact Brighton is actually a net exporter of commuters might be a clue as to why there are less people driving into Brighton.

Perhaps net growth in Bus journeys and an increase in bike purchases indicate a more affordable and reliable alternative to using a taxi or driving a car, and this Council like councils up and down the country of all Political persuasions realise viable, affordable and safer alternatives for shorter journeys is better for the City as a whole in terms of reduced demand, infrastruture repair costs, population health and business benefits in loss of cost in delivery and staff delays.

Web enablement and industry doesn't need a traditional commuting base or follow the traditional norms.
Tech attractors for those Cities that recognise them and build the infrastructure will be more valuable by 2030 than traditional manufacturing industries or service sector employment.

Or if the Peoples Parking Protest had their way, the one third of people in Brighton who don't have a car should own one, the bus lanes should be scrapped and parking made a free for all and we'd have 100,000 more cars in Brighton, an addtional 44 million journeys made by car and defintely less places to park, and the congestion will add to the cost of business to the country which currently stands at £4.3 billion a year.
But that's the utopia and the individual right for everyone to drive as fast as they like, wherever they like, whenever they like on traffic free roads.
Correlation does not imply causation. Just a few facts that might have passed by; Last year in 27 EU states more new bicycles were sold than cars, including the UK. 13.5% of all purchases in the UK were done online in 2010,projected to rise to 23% by 2016. Equivalent of £2 out of every £10 spent to £1 in £7. The web contributes 8.3% of GDP projected to be worth £221 billion by 2016. In comparison congestion costs the country £4.3 billion a year. 1/3 of Brighton's population doesn't own a car. Brighton is a net exporter of commuters. Bus passengers made 44.8 million journeys in 2012/13 It's very disingenuous to associate a decline in car ownership and a lack of parking on ability to travel into town, commuter behaviour or a decline in retail footfall. Perhaps the fact Brighton is actually a net exporter of commuters might be a clue as to why there are less people driving into Brighton. Perhaps net growth in Bus journeys and an increase in bike purchases indicate a more affordable and reliable alternative to using a taxi or driving a car, and this Council like councils up and down the country of all Political persuasions realise viable, affordable and safer alternatives for shorter journeys is better for the City as a whole in terms of reduced demand, infrastruture repair costs, population health and business benefits in loss of cost in delivery and staff delays. Web enablement and industry doesn't need a traditional commuting base or follow the traditional norms. Tech attractors for those Cities that recognise them and build the infrastructure will be more valuable by 2030 than traditional manufacturing industries or service sector employment. Or if the Peoples Parking Protest had their way, the one third of people in Brighton who don't have a car should own one, the bus lanes should be scrapped and parking made a free for all and we'd have 100,000 more cars in Brighton, an addtional 44 million journeys made by car and defintely less places to park, and the congestion will add to the cost of business to the country which currently stands at £4.3 billion a year. But that's the utopia and the individual right for everyone to drive as fast as they like, wherever they like, whenever they like on traffic free roads. kopite_rob
  • Score: 0

10:50am Thu 13 Mar 14

rayellerton says...

I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents
I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents rayellerton
  • Score: 2

10:55am Thu 13 Mar 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc

harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay.

If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak.

It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands….

Well, you get what you vote for….
This article is actually nothing to do with people coming from out of town into town to find parking it is a report regarding the number of residents living within the city centre who are choosing to ditch their cars.

I would imagine this would be great news for retailers as it means these people are now even more likely to do their shopping at the local town centre shops rather than travelling to the large super markets on the fringes of town which offer "free" parking.

If you really care about the fortune of local retailers then put your political sentiments to one-side, jump on a bus and support independent businesses.
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay. If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak. It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands…. Well, you get what you vote for….[/p][/quote]This article is actually nothing to do with people coming from out of town into town to find parking it is a report regarding the number of residents living within the city centre who are choosing to ditch their cars. I would imagine this would be great news for retailers as it means these people are now even more likely to do their shopping at the local town centre shops rather than travelling to the large super markets on the fringes of town which offer "free" parking. If you really care about the fortune of local retailers then put your political sentiments to one-side, jump on a bus and support independent businesses. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: -7

10:55am Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.
Trollolololol.......
..

I call Godwins Law. Discussion over!
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"[/p][/quote]Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.[/p][/quote]Trollolololol....... .. I call Godwins Law. Discussion over! Andy R
  • Score: -1

11:13am Thu 13 Mar 14

billy goat-gruff says...

The way to bring more shoppers into the town centre is to pedestrianise the Lanes and the North Laine, so people can enjoy the shops without fear of getting run over or choked by fumes… Other historic towns manage perfectly well and are a pleasure to visit.
The way to bring more shoppers into the town centre is to pedestrianise the Lanes and the North Laine, so people can enjoy the shops without fear of getting run over or choked by fumes… Other historic towns manage perfectly well and are a pleasure to visit. billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 3

11:15am Thu 13 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.
Well done ! Godwins law still hold true
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"[/p][/quote]Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.[/p][/quote]Well done ! Godwins law still hold true gheese77
  • Score: 2

11:22am Thu 13 Mar 14

spa301 says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Very sorry to hear you don't like others disagreeing with you. Seems to be a common Green trait?
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Very sorry to hear you don't like others disagreeing with you. Seems to be a common Green trait? spa301
  • Score: 10

11:40am Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for.

Best to just say what you think and ignore them.
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for. Best to just say what you think and ignore them. Andy R
  • Score: -10

11:43am Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......
...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs...... Andy R
  • Score: -7

11:48am Thu 13 Mar 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Andy R wrote:
...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......
Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: ...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......[/p][/quote]Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response. uniteagainstparkingcharges
  • Score: -4

11:56am Thu 13 Mar 14

Stu says...

This statistic is meaningless without knowing a)how many people are commuting into town each day from outside Brighton, and b) how many people have lost their jobs so can no longer afford to keep a car.
This statistic is meaningless without knowing a)how many people are commuting into town each day from outside Brighton, and b) how many people have lost their jobs so can no longer afford to keep a car. Stu
  • Score: 12

12:01pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Andy R wrote:
...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......
Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.
Probably from JHunty
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: ...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......[/p][/quote]Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.[/p][/quote]Probably from JHunty Andy R
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Andy R wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc

harges
wrote:
Andy R wrote:
...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......
Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.
Probably from JHunty
Shouldn't you be doing some work? Working for the council, you are paid by taxpayers aren't you.

Or are you paid to troll the Argus comments page?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: ...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......[/p][/quote]Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.[/p][/quote]Probably from JHunty[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be doing some work? Working for the council, you are paid by taxpayers aren't you. Or are you paid to troll the Argus comments page? Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Andy R wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc


harges
wrote:
Andy R wrote:
...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......
Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.
Probably from JHunty
Shouldn't you be doing some work? Working for the council, you are paid by taxpayers aren't you.

Or are you paid to troll the Argus comments page?
Burble burble burble......
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: ...or....given who's dishing them out, simply conclude that the quality of your post is in direct inverse proportion to the number of thumbs-downs......[/p][/quote]Exactly- I see even Jhunty's comment that somehow links this article to Nazi genocide has received a positive response.[/p][/quote]Probably from JHunty[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be doing some work? Working for the council, you are paid by taxpayers aren't you. Or are you paid to troll the Argus comments page?[/p][/quote]Burble burble burble...... Andy R
  • Score: -5

1:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Councillor Pete West, chairman of the environment, transport and sustainability Committee said: “It’s fantastic that we can both make people in the city poorer and reduce their employment opportunities at the same time".
Councillor Pete West, chairman of the environment, transport and sustainability Committee said: “It’s fantastic that we can both make people in the city poorer and reduce their employment opportunities at the same time". Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 18

1:26pm Thu 13 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

The Nazi comparisons are just rude and sad (Jeremy Clarkson's brand of 'humour'). However, we should perhaps not forget that Hitler apparently intended to use the Royal Albion Hotel as his HQ should he have successfully invaded. This seems to mean that Brighton was spared heavy bombing (the only industry here has been tourism). This means that Brighton was never flattened in the way that other places were, for car culture to take over in the '60s. So we still have a Victorian road network that is only suitable for limited car use, and mostly public transport. For those of you that don't like this, you can go to Crawley, Bracknell, Slough, Basingstoke, Horsham, Milton Keynes, Harlow, Peterborough...... there is a lot of choice out there.
The Nazi comparisons are just rude and sad (Jeremy Clarkson's brand of 'humour'). However, we should perhaps not forget that Hitler apparently intended to use the Royal Albion Hotel as his HQ should he have successfully invaded. This seems to mean that Brighton was spared heavy bombing (the only industry here has been tourism). This means that Brighton was never flattened in the way that other places were, for car culture to take over in the '60s. So we still have a Victorian road network that is only suitable for limited car use, and mostly public transport. For those of you that don't like this, you can go to Crawley, Bracknell, Slough, Basingstoke, Horsham, Milton Keynes, Harlow, Peterborough...... there is a lot of choice out there. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 9

2:02pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cynic_the says...

rayellerton wrote:
I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents
My quality of life would improve no end if I lived 5-10 minutes walk from my office. Unfortunately a 1 bed flat around here costs about £1.5M, and rents for about £2,000 pcm, so the misery of the train it is (£380pcm)

Of course, better still would be if there were jobs available in Brighton. I worked in Brighton for 7 years until the company relocated to..... you guessed it.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents[/p][/quote]My quality of life would improve no end if I lived 5-10 minutes walk from my office. Unfortunately a 1 bed flat around here costs about £1.5M, and rents for about £2,000 pcm, so the misery of the train it is (£380pcm) Of course, better still would be if there were jobs available in Brighton. I worked in Brighton for 7 years until the company relocated to..... you guessed it. cynic_the
  • Score: 19

2:16pm Thu 13 Mar 14

spa301 says...

Andy R wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc

harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for.

Best to just say what you think and ignore them.
Heartening to see you're both helping keep each others spirits up when those other nasty troll commentators keep disagreeing with you.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for. Best to just say what you think and ignore them.[/p][/quote]Heartening to see you're both helping keep each others spirits up when those other nasty troll commentators keep disagreeing with you. spa301
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Andy R says...

spa301 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc


harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for.

Best to just say what you think and ignore them.
Heartening to see you're both helping keep each others spirits up when those other nasty troll commentators keep disagreeing with you.
So you've actually managed to ignore the bit where I said "ignore the thumbs downs and just post what you think".

People disagreeing is fine. People not quite managing to even read what they are supposed to be commenting on are just a tad irritating.......

People who manage to bring the Nazis into a discussion about cars in Brighton are just......well......
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Oh.....so that's what those thumbs are for. Best to just say what you think and ignore them.[/p][/quote]Heartening to see you're both helping keep each others spirits up when those other nasty troll commentators keep disagreeing with you.[/p][/quote]So you've actually managed to ignore the bit where I said "ignore the thumbs downs and just post what you think". People disagreeing is fine. People not quite managing to even read what they are supposed to be commenting on are just a tad irritating....... People who manage to bring the Nazis into a discussion about cars in Brighton are just......well...... Andy R
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cooperstar says...

Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable! cooperstar
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
[quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ... mimseycal
  • Score: 8

4:36pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cooperstar says...

mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)! cooperstar
  • Score: 8

5:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

People have seen a slow, but steady improvent of transport choices. Overall, bus, cycle, pedestrian and train options have improved. Add the this growing car clubs, giving a good alternative to owning a seldom used cars, and CPZs reducing the minority that own loads of cars and vans (and effectively dumping them on our streets). Not to forget the internet reducing the need for journies.
People have seen a slow, but steady improvent of transport choices. Overall, bus, cycle, pedestrian and train options have improved. Add the this growing car clubs, giving a good alternative to owning a seldom used cars, and CPZs reducing the minority that own loads of cars and vans (and effectively dumping them on our streets). Not to forget the internet reducing the need for journies. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

6:20pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

cooperstar wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.
[quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)![/p][/quote]No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion. mimseycal
  • Score: -4

7:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming!
Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming! Sir Prised
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Thu 13 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more.

B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days.

For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free".

A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well.

Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it.
What a load of rubbish.

There are towns and cities all over the country where people can park wherever they please but still don't venture into town to do their shopping.

The reason people don't bother is because of number of out of town shopping areas like the ones you've mentioned that suck the life from smaller independent shops. These businesses are strategically placed on the main routes into towns and so people coming from out of town usually have to drive past them before reaching the town centre.

In addition people are also doing more and more shopping online meaning that people don't venture into town.

Blaming it on parking is complete nonsense and this can be easily proven by looking at the nation as a whole and how town-centres have declined to the point where even some of the largest national brands are struggling without a strong online presence.

It is the supermarkets and the internet that have had the biggest impact on the decline of the town-centre but instead you'd prefer to attribute the blame for a national trend that has been evident for 15 years to the Green party who have been in office for less than 4 years.
Well said that man/ woman! One of the very few to talk real sense about this subject! You have absolutely wiped the floor with Phani ~ a more appropriate name he is unlikely to have chosen!!
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: I feel sorry for all the businesses that are going bust as a result of the lack of customers being able to drive into and park in town any more. B&H is the last place anyone with more than half a brain would even consider starting up a new business in these days. For evidence all you need to do is look at how busy the free parking is at out of town shopping e.g. Holmbush and Hollingbury. 2 years ago there was barely anybody parking outside M&S/Argos/Next at Hollingbury, and now the car park is daily rammed. You can even hear, practically every day, people walking around the shops there saying "oh we never drive into town anymore, we do all our shopping here where you can park for free". A quick chat with a taxi driver will also reveal how their takings are down and how few people bother getting cabs into town any more as well. Maybe if the green idiots got out of their ivory ideological tower for once they'd actually see what damage they've done to the City. Irreparable now, most of it.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. There are towns and cities all over the country where people can park wherever they please but still don't venture into town to do their shopping. The reason people don't bother is because of number of out of town shopping areas like the ones you've mentioned that suck the life from smaller independent shops. These businesses are strategically placed on the main routes into towns and so people coming from out of town usually have to drive past them before reaching the town centre. In addition people are also doing more and more shopping online meaning that people don't venture into town. Blaming it on parking is complete nonsense and this can be easily proven by looking at the nation as a whole and how town-centres have declined to the point where even some of the largest national brands are struggling without a strong online presence. It is the supermarkets and the internet that have had the biggest impact on the decline of the town-centre but instead you'd prefer to attribute the blame for a national trend that has been evident for 15 years to the Green party who have been in office for less than 4 years.[/p][/quote]Well said that man/ woman! One of the very few to talk real sense about this subject! You have absolutely wiped the floor with Phani ~ a more appropriate name he is unlikely to have chosen!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

8:39pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cooperstar says...

mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.
I wouldn't have thought many people commute regularly with their disabled grandmas.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)![/p][/quote]No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't have thought many people commute regularly with their disabled grandmas. cooperstar
  • Score: 8

8:54pm Thu 13 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.
As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone
whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)![/p][/quote]No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.[/p][/quote]As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 9

9:24pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Hmmmm ... not a problem?! Well, I suppose not ... As long as it is just the odd occasion eh ...

The fact is that forcing the population to change its behaviour through this type of social engineering is wrong.
Hmmmm ... not a problem?! Well, I suppose not ... As long as it is just the odd occasion eh ... The fact is that forcing the population to change its behaviour through this type of social engineering is wrong. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

9:49pm Thu 13 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

10:59pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cynic_the says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
Agreed.

So we should ban buses immediately! They have the biggest dirtiest internal combustion engines of all...
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]Agreed. So we should ban buses immediately! They have the biggest dirtiest internal combustion engines of all... cynic_the
  • Score: 5

6:28am Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.
As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone
whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines!
No problem? No of course not ... Just make sure they will only do it very very occasionally because of the exorbitant pricing but problem? Nah!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)![/p][/quote]No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.[/p][/quote]As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines![/p][/quote]No problem? No of course not ... Just make sure they will only do it very very occasionally because of the exorbitant pricing but problem? Nah! mimseycal
  • Score: 0

6:44am Fri 14 Mar 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
Thick tw4t
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]Thick tw4t Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: -6

7:06am Fri 14 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE. Sir Prised
  • Score: 4

7:08am Fri 14 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Sir Prised wrote:
Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming!
Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention.

Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming![/p][/quote]Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention. Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

7:21am Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

Sir Prised wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.[/p][/quote]Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

8:34am Fri 14 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
But really only useful if you travel alone ...
Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver.

Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)!
No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.
As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone
whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines!
Usual B.N. Blinkered Bolxxx
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]But really only useful if you travel alone ...[/p][/quote]Yes, but most people commute by themselves, don't they? I would guess above 90% at least. Certainly the vast majority of cars I encounter on my commute only have one person in them - the driver. Also, motorcycling is much better for the environment (space, emmisions, fuel, etc)![/p][/quote]No, not really ... But never mind eh ... let us just carry on focusing on the solitary traveller. Ignore the families that tend to travel together, the elderly and the disabled who travel with a companion.[/p][/quote]As I am sure you realise full well no-one has a problem with the disabled or infirm or maybe a mum with kids using their car to get into the town centre on the odd occasion that they may need to - the problem is that with more and more people living in tbe south-east, in Sussex and Brighton and Hove itself we now all need to modify our behaviour otherwise the city centre will just get more and more grid-locked! I wouldn't dream of taking my car into the centre at the busiest times and would rather walk, cycle, get the bus or, if necessary get a taxi - and anyone whose reasonably able-bodied should be thinking along the same lines![/p][/quote]Usual B.N. Blinkered Bolxxx ARMANA
  • Score: -3

8:39am Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?!
Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.[/p][/quote]Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?![/p][/quote]Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ... mimseycal
  • Score: 2

9:24am Fri 14 Mar 14

PenPushingPauper says...

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc harges wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay. If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak. It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands…. Well, you get what you vote for….
This article is actually nothing to do with people coming from out of town into town to find parking it is a report regarding the number of residents living within the city centre who are choosing to ditch their cars. I would imagine this would be great news for retailers as it means these people are now even more likely to do their shopping at the local town centre shops rather than travelling to the large super markets on the fringes of town which offer "free" parking. If you really care about the fortune of local retailers then put your political sentiments to one-side, jump on a bus and support independent businesses.
I've lived in a few cities. I've never bothered owning a car in one. What's really the point? Everything I need is on my doorstep or within a reasonable walking distance. Having a car would just be a financial drain and the majority of people living in Brighton and Hove don't actually need one. It's the same in every city, don't really understand the fear-mongering.

I've owned cars in smaller towns, because inevitably, unlike the city. NOTHING you need is on your doorstep.

Have things ever been any different in this respect? Car ownership wise?
[quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay. If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak. It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands…. Well, you get what you vote for….[/p][/quote]This article is actually nothing to do with people coming from out of town into town to find parking it is a report regarding the number of residents living within the city centre who are choosing to ditch their cars. I would imagine this would be great news for retailers as it means these people are now even more likely to do their shopping at the local town centre shops rather than travelling to the large super markets on the fringes of town which offer "free" parking. If you really care about the fortune of local retailers then put your political sentiments to one-side, jump on a bus and support independent businesses.[/p][/quote]I've lived in a few cities. I've never bothered owning a car in one. What's really the point? Everything I need is on my doorstep or within a reasonable walking distance. Having a car would just be a financial drain and the majority of people living in Brighton and Hove don't actually need one. It's the same in every city, don't really understand the fear-mongering. I've owned cars in smaller towns, because inevitably, unlike the city. NOTHING you need is on your doorstep. Have things ever been any different in this respect? Car ownership wise? PenPushingPauper
  • Score: 8

9:45am Fri 14 Mar 14

spa301 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming!
Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention.

Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants.
Am I correct to assume you don't have a car?
If so how far do you have to travel to your workplace (assuming also that you do work)?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming![/p][/quote]Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention. Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants.[/p][/quote]Am I correct to assume you don't have a car? If so how far do you have to travel to your workplace (assuming also that you do work)? spa301
  • Score: -1

11:14am Fri 14 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

HJarrs wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming!
Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention.

Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants.
The car might be but the convenience of the majortiy owning one is a fairly recent development, as is cleaner vehicles. There is simple not comparison between a point to point journey, with the ability to carry both goods and people, with that of the fixed route bus. Brighton & Hove is a particularly difficult city for buses as they virtually all have to go into the centre, rather than take the shortest route. The real issue though is population, because they are putting immigration above quality of life, so whatever the means of travel, it's only going to get a whole lot worse for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: Yes let's turn our back on the comfort and convenience of personal transport, in favour of the early 20th Century technology of the communal onmnibus ! Brilliant, just brilliant. Transport is the only thing going backwards, because the luddites are in charge. years ago, Swansea had two lanes in in the morning, swapping to two lanes out in the afternoon. All Brighton has ever done is reduce capacity. No wonder online business is booming![/p][/quote]Funny, I thought the car was a 19th century invention. Business in B&H seems to be increasing quite nicely. It's a myth that clogging the streets with more metal boxes somehow improves business or the quality of life for the city's inhabitants.[/p][/quote]The car might be but the convenience of the majortiy owning one is a fairly recent development, as is cleaner vehicles. There is simple not comparison between a point to point journey, with the ability to carry both goods and people, with that of the fixed route bus. Brighton & Hove is a particularly difficult city for buses as they virtually all have to go into the centre, rather than take the shortest route. The real issue though is population, because they are putting immigration above quality of life, so whatever the means of travel, it's only going to get a whole lot worse for everyone. Sir Prised
  • Score: 5

11:27am Fri 14 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I don't think commuters coming in by public transport is a bad thing. The problem is with visitors having nowhere to park, tradesmen needing easy access and residents who may need to do long journeys across town, or to the supermarket etc. I would like to see less people doing the school run in a car, but perhaps they are driving on somewhere else afterwards and have various pick ups and drop offs that would take hours by public transport. But if you are commuting to central Brighton from Haywards Heath etc, then the train is obviously the best option. There is no really no reason to drive in.
I don't think commuters coming in by public transport is a bad thing. The problem is with visitors having nowhere to park, tradesmen needing easy access and residents who may need to do long journeys across town, or to the supermarket etc. I would like to see less people doing the school run in a car, but perhaps they are driving on somewhere else afterwards and have various pick ups and drop offs that would take hours by public transport. But if you are commuting to central Brighton from Haywards Heath etc, then the train is obviously the best option. There is no really no reason to drive in. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 2

11:31am Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?!
Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...
Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.[/p][/quote]Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?![/p][/quote]Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...[/p][/quote]Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Fri 14 Mar 14

RickH says...

rayellerton wrote:
I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents
Oh - all those evil commuters who have the temerity to travel up to London, earn much higher wages than on offer in Brighton and then having the **** cheek to spend that money in the various shops and businesses in Brighton. Woe, woe and thrice woe!
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I would say commuters are part of the problem...if you are travelling to London to work would you not have a better quality of life if you lived nearer your work? I dont mean having more money for materialistic things, I mean less stress, more time to spend with family and kids, and not living in a place where the Council hate cars, and hate their constituents[/p][/quote]Oh - all those evil commuters who have the temerity to travel up to London, earn much higher wages than on offer in Brighton and then having the **** cheek to spend that money in the various shops and businesses in Brighton. Woe, woe and thrice woe! RickH
  • Score: 4

12:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?!
Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...
Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country!
So ... in effect ... social engineering because we have the best bus service in the country? And there was me thinking that the Council actually was supposed to be for the people of Brighton and Hove. Now that you have confirmed that they in fact are there to support the major Public Transport company I feel much better.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.[/p][/quote]Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?![/p][/quote]Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...[/p][/quote]Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country![/p][/quote]So ... in effect ... social engineering because we have the best bus service in the country? And there was me thinking that the Council actually was supposed to be for the people of Brighton and Hove. Now that you have confirmed that they in fact are there to support the major Public Transport company I feel much better. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Fri 14 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

cooperstar wrote:
Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable!
funny i was just thinking about a motorbike but not been on one in years
[quote][p][bold]cooperstar[/bold] wrote: Nobody mentioning the many free parking bays for mopeds / motorcycles? Not to mention the savings to be had commuting on 2 wheels rather than 4. Much cheaper and reliable than public transport, and much more enjoyable![/p][/quote]funny i was just thinking about a motorbike but not been on one in years whatevernext2013
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine!
The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.
Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?!
Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...
Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country!
So ... in effect ... social engineering because we have the best bus service in the country? And there was me thinking that the Council actually was supposed to be for the people of Brighton and Hove. Now that you have confirmed that they in fact are there to support the major Public Transport company I feel much better.
More twaddle! Why on earth dont you actually respond to the point that we live in an over-crowded part of the world with more and more visitors and more and more cars and that this has an adverse effect on traffic congestion in the city centre?!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Social engineering?! Pretentious drivel ~ you obviously think that we should have a free~for~all and just let the city grind to a halt as we all continue to breathe in the outpouring of the internal combustion engine![/p][/quote]The reason there's so much pollution, though with modern cars it's very much reduced, Is because there's so much congestion, due to the authorities refusing to accept that technology has moved on from the omnibus ! Parking is almost as essential to a thriving commercial centre as electricity. If there was adequate parking and roads were improved instead of being restricted, instead of being stuck in jams for 20 minutes, Ithey could be in the centre and parked up in 5 ! Another MAJOR contributor is children not going to the nearest suitable school. During school breaks, the roads are TRANSFORMED and running a lottery system which end up with thousands of cars criss-crossing the city is INSANE.[/p][/quote]Isn't it rather obvious that if yon drive into town and be ‘parked up in 5 minutes' everyone would try to do it thus leading to more congestion and even more pollution due to the ensuing chaos?![/p][/quote]Why would everyone be chomping at the bits to drive into town every day? Could it be that the outlying areas do not cater to the needs of its community? If you want a pair of shoes in outlying areas of the city, you must go into the centre. If you need some fabric to sew a pair of curtains ... it is the centre of town. If you need to visit your bank ... if you need to get school uniform, a dress for a special occasion ... any number of things people may need can not be bought anywhere else in the real world but the centre of town ...[/p][/quote]Yeah but the point is that you don't generally need a car to buy a pair of shoes - especially as Brighton and Hove has one of the best bus services in the country![/p][/quote]So ... in effect ... social engineering because we have the best bus service in the country? And there was me thinking that the Council actually was supposed to be for the people of Brighton and Hove. Now that you have confirmed that they in fact are there to support the major Public Transport company I feel much better.[/p][/quote]More twaddle! Why on earth dont you actually respond to the point that we live in an over-crowded part of the world with more and more visitors and more and more cars and that this has an adverse effect on traffic congestion in the city centre?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

2:05pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.
Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Gagrivar says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"
Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.
Hyperbole alert!
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: When I read the headline of this story I thought "why are are you saying this like it's a bad thing?"[/p][/quote]Because forcing people to do things they don't want isn't the role that councillors and unelected public servants should be fulfilling. But then again you want to over throw our democratic system of governance and replace it with a discredited system responsible for more deaths than the nazis so what do you care about acting democratically without coercion.[/p][/quote]Hyperbole alert! Gagrivar
  • Score: 4

2:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Gagrivar says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
uniteagainstparkingc

harges
wrote:
Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say.

Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.
Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay.

If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak.

It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands….

Well, you get what you vote for….
Do you know what hearsay is? :- unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge - yup sounds like hearsay to me, can you prove who you are and that you said these things?
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uniteagainstparkingc harges[/bold] wrote: Amazing to receive so many down votes for what is clearly a more accurate reflection of the situation compared to the first comment which is based entirely on anecdotal hear-say. Hardly surprising though as it seems that any form Green bashing, no matter how inaccurate, will always result in gaining an average Argus reader's "thumbs up" approval.[/p][/quote]Anecdotal hearsay? What, actually hearing people, like me, saying EXACTLY what I quoted isn't hearsay. If you accept that the high street has been killed by the internet, what the green morons should be doing is making it EASIER for people to get into town and park to shop. What they are ACTUALLY doing is precisely the opposite, and until they change their plans the prospects for a resurgent high street can only get more and more bleak. It's all very well for the greens to say "oh won't it be nice to walk around a car-free city centre" but in reality it won't be a whole bundle of fun to walk around a deserted high street full only of charity shops and Poundlands…. Well, you get what you vote for….[/p][/quote]Do you know what hearsay is? :- unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge - yup sounds like hearsay to me, can you prove who you are and that you said these things? Gagrivar
  • Score: 4

2:14pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Gagrivar says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
The Nazi comparisons are just rude and sad (Jeremy Clarkson's brand of 'humour'). However, we should perhaps not forget that Hitler apparently intended to use the Royal Albion Hotel as his HQ should he have successfully invaded. This seems to mean that Brighton was spared heavy bombing (the only industry here has been tourism). This means that Brighton was never flattened in the way that other places were, for car culture to take over in the '60s. So we still have a Victorian road network that is only suitable for limited car use, and mostly public transport. For those of you that don't like this, you can go to Crawley, Bracknell, Slough, Basingstoke, Horsham, Milton Keynes, Harlow, Peterborough...... there is a lot of choice out there.
Are you new here? you appear to be making a rational and well written argument, shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: The Nazi comparisons are just rude and sad (Jeremy Clarkson's brand of 'humour'). However, we should perhaps not forget that Hitler apparently intended to use the Royal Albion Hotel as his HQ should he have successfully invaded. This seems to mean that Brighton was spared heavy bombing (the only industry here has been tourism). This means that Brighton was never flattened in the way that other places were, for car culture to take over in the '60s. So we still have a Victorian road network that is only suitable for limited car use, and mostly public transport. For those of you that don't like this, you can go to Crawley, Bracknell, Slough, Basingstoke, Horsham, Milton Keynes, Harlow, Peterborough...... there is a lot of choice out there.[/p][/quote]Are you new here? you appear to be making a rational and well written argument, shame on you. Gagrivar
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.
B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.[/p][/quote]B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.
B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise!
Really? You mean that cars have not been *ahem* discouraged from accessing the centre of Brighton? That bus lanes and cycle paths have not been appearing, as if by magic, all over the place?

By the way ... no need for the rather colourful language.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.[/p][/quote]B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise![/p][/quote]Really? You mean that cars have not been *ahem* discouraged from accessing the centre of Brighton? That bus lanes and cycle paths have not been appearing, as if by magic, all over the place? By the way ... no need for the rather colourful language. mimseycal
  • Score: 0

3:24pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Hove Actually says...

"2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number
Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered?

This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want.
All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds
THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT
"2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered? This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want. All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT Hove Actually
  • Score: 2

4:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Automaton says...

Hove Actually wrote:
"2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number
Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered?

This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want.
All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds
THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT
Agreed.
Also if there are less registered cars how come its so much more difficult to park and residents permit zones have been rolled out everywhere with the view to providing residents with a parking space.

Or is it just that many spaces have been removed citywide?

Or as insurance is so expensive for the young £2.5k per annum plus that many do not bother to register. Likewise non uk nationals
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: "2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered? This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want. All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT[/p][/quote]Agreed. Also if there are less registered cars how come its so much more difficult to park and residents permit zones have been rolled out everywhere with the view to providing residents with a parking space. Or is it just that many spaces have been removed citywide? Or as insurance is so expensive for the young £2.5k per annum plus that many do not bother to register. Likewise non uk nationals Automaton
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.
B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise!
Really? You mean that cars have not been *ahem* discouraged from accessing the centre of Brighton? That bus lanes and cycle paths have not been appearing, as if by magic, all over the place?

By the way ... no need for the rather colourful language.
Apologies for the language! The bus and cycle lanes have appeared due to the issues I've now mentioed twice and that you still refuse to respond too?!!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.[/p][/quote]B0ll0cks - it is part of an ongoing wider 'debate' about how we, in both the short term and long term, live in an age of rapidly increasing population and rapidly diminishing resources, both locally and globally! Only a short-sighted Luddite would suggest otherwise![/p][/quote]Really? You mean that cars have not been *ahem* discouraged from accessing the centre of Brighton? That bus lanes and cycle paths have not been appearing, as if by magic, all over the place? By the way ... no need for the rather colourful language.[/p][/quote]Apologies for the language! The bus and cycle lanes have appeared due to the issues I've now mentioed twice and that you still refuse to respond too?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 4

5:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Respond to what? The fact that some people have determined that Global Warming is a reality the rest of us are ignoring? That there isn't enough fossil fuel around to enable people to run their cars?

The issue isn't why some people have decided they can determine for the rest of us. The issue is that they have.
Respond to what? The fact that some people have determined that Global Warming is a reality the rest of us are ignoring? That there isn't enough fossil fuel around to enable people to run their cars? The issue isn't why some people have decided they can determine for the rest of us. The issue is that they have. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

6:48pm Fri 14 Mar 14

brighton bluenose says...

mimseycal wrote:
Respond to what? The fact that some people have determined that Global Warming is a reality the rest of us are ignoring? That there isn't enough fossil fuel around to enable people to run their cars?

The issue isn't why some people have decided they can determine for the rest of us. The issue is that they have.
Christ - I haven't mentioend global warming OR fossil fuels - purely two items that affect us locally;
1) Over-population locally (and globally too!) leading to vastly increased car use in the city centre and the expectation that we can just drive in at will?
2. Resultant traffic congestion and pollution.
You obviously think both of these issues are acceptable and we should not bother to try to think of alternatives to avoid these problems!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Respond to what? The fact that some people have determined that Global Warming is a reality the rest of us are ignoring? That there isn't enough fossil fuel around to enable people to run their cars? The issue isn't why some people have decided they can determine for the rest of us. The issue is that they have.[/p][/quote]Christ - I haven't mentioend global warming OR fossil fuels - purely two items that affect us locally; 1) Over-population locally (and globally too!) leading to vastly increased car use in the city centre and the expectation that we can just drive in at will? 2. Resultant traffic congestion and pollution. You obviously think both of these issues are acceptable and we should not bother to try to think of alternatives to avoid these problems! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

5:34pm Sat 15 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

Hove Actually wrote:
"2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number
Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered?

This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want.
All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds
THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT
regarding registration. to gain a permit you need the VC5 document and various other forms of ID to then pay for the permit itself.

Bus fares have increased 1000% in 10 years -they haven't -you are making figures up.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: "2,865 less registered cars than 10 years ago" is a very precise number Where does this information come from The DVLA..... if so how do they know where a car is once registered? This looks like a story for politicians to prove OR disprove any story they want. All I know is in ten years car parking charges have gone up 1000%, bus ticket prices have gone up 1000% and actual space on the roads has gone down and with the reason to tax the motorists knowing no bounds THAT IS THE REASON ANY DECREASE (?) HAS COME ABOUT[/p][/quote]regarding registration. to gain a permit you need the VC5 document and various other forms of ID to then pay for the permit itself. Bus fares have increased 1000% in 10 years -they haven't -you are making figures up. sabbat36
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Mon 17 Mar 14

mtmoocher says...

mimseycal wrote:
Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.
You seem to have adopted the role of the recalcitrant child like a troubled teenage Hollywood starlet.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Because quite frankly that is not the issue here. The issue here is that this decision has been made for us ... the way parents will decide how a recalcitrant child will live.[/p][/quote]You seem to have adopted the role of the recalcitrant child like a troubled teenage Hollywood starlet. mtmoocher
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Tue 18 Mar 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

Horses for course communting by car into brighton is a nightmare anyone who does it rather than cycle or take a bus if thats an option is an idiot. Unless you have a private parking space its just not worth it.
Horses for course communting by car into brighton is a nightmare anyone who does it rather than cycle or take a bus if thats an option is an idiot. Unless you have a private parking space its just not worth it. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 1

9:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

This news should be welcomed and those that can afford to use cars and park in town at least now have a bit more room to get around. No bad thing the wheat is separated from the chaff in this manner. We need to discourage the undesirable types from coming to Brighton and encourage more high net wealth individuals. I live in central Brighton because I can afford to and with a private parking area I welcome any action that reduces traffic numbers. So what if a few kebab shops and tat-sellers go out of business. Get well rid I should say.
This news should be welcomed and those that can afford to use cars and park in town at least now have a bit more room to get around. No bad thing the wheat is separated from the chaff in this manner. We need to discourage the undesirable types from coming to Brighton and encourage more high net wealth individuals. I live in central Brighton because I can afford to and with a private parking area I welcome any action that reduces traffic numbers. So what if a few kebab shops and tat-sellers go out of business. Get well rid I should say. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

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