Delivery drivers refusing to visit Brighton seafront due to parking tickets

Delivery drivers refusing to visit Brighton seafront due to parking tickets

Delivery drivers refusing to visit Brighton seafront due to parking tickets

First published in News

Delivery drivers are refusing to visit seafront businesses due to the number of parking tickets they are getting.

Traders are now calling on Brighton and Hove City Council bosses to step in after arguing it is impossible for drivers to deliver within the allotted time given.

Adam Chinery, owner of Brighton Watersports in Kings Road, told The Argus he had lost business as a result of the problem.

He said: “I have tried to bring this to the council’s attention but they don’t seem particularly bothered.

“Delivery men coming to my shop can’t physically make it from the loading bay and back in five minutes. They need to do something about it because it is damaging business down here.”

The loading bays along Kings Road, such as the one outside Buddies Restaurant, are used by businesses along that road and under the arches. It was understood that drivers had a 30- minute window to carry their deliveries – as the roadside sign states.

This was until a number of tickets were issued for stays well under the half-hour limit.

Mr Chinery, who is a member of the Seafront Traders’ Association, said: “The last ticket was issued to a delivery driver of mine after 11 minutes. The vehicle had boxes of stock clearly visible through the windows and had a note saying he was delivering to my business. I questioned the warden, and he referred me to the council website and said there was a five-minute limit.”

Infuriated, Mr Chinery decided to time how long it took to get from the bay across four lanes of traffic to his business.

He said: “It was three-and-a-half minutes one way. So there and back is already over the five-minute limit. That’s without allowing the business owner to check the delivery or sign or anything like that. It’s madness – it’s just not possible.

“There are four very busy lanes of traffic to get across as well.”

A council spokeswoman said: “Time restrictions for loading bays can differ depending on their location.

“Drivers of commercial vehicles using loading bays are given a ten minute grace period to make their delivery or collection, as long as they are seen to be loading or unloading during this time. The grace period for non-commercial vehicles is five minutes. In addition, deliveries for seafront premises can be made between 6am and 11am on the lower promenade.

“The regulations are set out on our website www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/ parking-and-travel/parking/loading-and-unloading".

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7:23am Sat 15 Mar 14

juleshove says...

There is a big problem with the mindset and instructions given to traffic wardens in Brighton and Hove. It needs to change as it is killing business and putting many people off visiting our lovely city. I know the Greens expect people to cycle everywhere, but they need to grow up and live in the real world.
There is a big problem with the mindset and instructions given to traffic wardens in Brighton and Hove. It needs to change as it is killing business and putting many people off visiting our lovely city. I know the Greens expect people to cycle everywhere, but they need to grow up and live in the real world. juleshove
  • Score: 117

7:51am Sat 15 Mar 14

Jagmanmc says...

I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do. Jagmanmc
  • Score: 106

8:16am Sat 15 Mar 14

hoveguyactually says...

It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase.
With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me.
It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase. With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 82

8:41am Sat 15 Mar 14

hyram77 says...

It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.
It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned. hyram77
  • Score: 29

8:43am Sat 15 Mar 14

twonk says...

It's worse in London. I've got tickets within seconds up there.
It's worse in London. I've got tickets within seconds up there. twonk
  • Score: 13

9:01am Sat 15 Mar 14

Juleyanne says...

Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront?
Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense!
Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront? Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense! Juleyanne
  • Score: 47

9:03am Sat 15 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

Jagmanmc wrote:
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
hmm agree. also -try a bus. full of people not parcels.
[quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.[/p][/quote]hmm agree. also -try a bus. full of people not parcels. sabbat36
  • Score: 14

9:22am Sat 15 Mar 14

Terry K says...

Here's the solution, have your deliveries done by boat, everyone wins, sorted!.
Here's the solution, have your deliveries done by boat, everyone wins, sorted!. Terry K
  • Score: -29

9:25am Sat 15 Mar 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Juleyanne wrote:
Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront?
Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense!
We the Greens don't care about people who contribute, or are striving to make Brighton a better place. If we did we would remove the bus lanes and cycle paths and return the speed limits to sensible usable levels.

In the meanwhile lets hope more tickets are issued sooner so we destroy business and then in full contradiction of recognised policy lets allow more travellers to descend on Brighton and allow them to park on our roads, in our parking areas within our parks and better still on grass in our parks. This will be great if its on the spaces used by tax payers for sporting events and leisure.

We are the Greens
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront? Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense![/p][/quote]We the Greens don't care about people who contribute, or are striving to make Brighton a better place. If we did we would remove the bus lanes and cycle paths and return the speed limits to sensible usable levels. In the meanwhile lets hope more tickets are issued sooner so we destroy business and then in full contradiction of recognised policy lets allow more travellers to descend on Brighton and allow them to park on our roads, in our parking areas within our parks and better still on grass in our parks. This will be great if its on the spaces used by tax payers for sporting events and leisure. We are the Greens I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 42

9:46am Sat 15 Mar 14

Jagmanmc says...

sabbat36 wrote:
Jagmanmc wrote:
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
hmm agree. also -try a bus. full of people not parcels.
Agree with you also, but Buses (although full of people and of a considerable size), have designated stops and even traffic lanes. They don't have to deliver people to say, the top flat 4 floors up in a narrow, perhaps busy street do they?
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.[/p][/quote]hmm agree. also -try a bus. full of people not parcels.[/p][/quote]Agree with you also, but Buses (although full of people and of a considerable size), have designated stops and even traffic lanes. They don't have to deliver people to say, the top flat 4 floors up in a narrow, perhaps busy street do they? Jagmanmc
  • Score: 33

10:08am Sat 15 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

juleshove wrote:
There is a big problem with the mindset and instructions given to traffic wardens in Brighton and Hove. It needs to change as it is killing business and putting many people off visiting our lovely city. I know the Greens expect people to cycle everywhere, but they need to grow up and live in the real world.
The perfect comment, !!!
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: There is a big problem with the mindset and instructions given to traffic wardens in Brighton and Hove. It needs to change as it is killing business and putting many people off visiting our lovely city. I know the Greens expect people to cycle everywhere, but they need to grow up and live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The perfect comment, !!! ARMANA
  • Score: 34

10:09am Sat 15 Mar 14

Joshiman says...

Next council take note.You will have to reverse these ridiculous car hating, business hating policies.
Next council take note.You will have to reverse these ridiculous car hating, business hating policies. Joshiman
  • Score: 39

10:22am Sat 15 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.
The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station. clubrob6
  • Score: 29

10:53am Sat 15 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.
This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -43

10:57am Sat 15 Mar 14

BtnLaurence says...

clubrob6 wrote:
The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.
Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant.
This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas.

They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online.
As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.[/p][/quote]Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant. This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas. They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online. As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015. BtnLaurence
  • Score: 24

11:10am Sat 15 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

BtnLaurence wrote:
clubrob6 wrote: The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.
Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant. This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas. They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online. As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015.
You wouldn't be Adam Campbell, would you?
[quote][p][bold]BtnLaurence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.[/p][/quote]Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant. This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas. They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online. As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015.[/p][/quote]You wouldn't be Adam Campbell, would you? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -13

11:27am Sat 15 Mar 14

Gaz the great says...

I cannot see why we would want independent traders or tourism in our town, the Green party have it spot on, drive everyone & every shop out of the town center & build an anti-fracking camp instead! Congratulations to the bad, mad Greens!
I cannot see why we would want independent traders or tourism in our town, the Green party have it spot on, drive everyone & every shop out of the town center & build an anti-fracking camp instead! Congratulations to the bad, mad Greens! Gaz the great
  • Score: 13

11:30am Sat 15 Mar 14

woody4728 says...

My husband is a sales/delivery driver and has recieved a ticket too! That fine has to be paid by us not his company and so he worked a day for nothing! Male me mad, would love to see a traffic warden work a whole day for nothing. Commen sense is needed these delivery guys are doing a job let them do it !!!!!!
My husband is a sales/delivery driver and has recieved a ticket too! That fine has to be paid by us not his company and so he worked a day for nothing! Male me mad, would love to see a traffic warden work a whole day for nothing. Commen sense is needed these delivery guys are doing a job let them do it !!!!!! woody4728
  • Score: 31

11:40am Sat 15 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

hyram77 wrote:
It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.
Why? On what grounds?
[quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.[/p][/quote]Why? On what grounds? Quiterie
  • Score: 0

11:55am Sat 15 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Quiterie wrote:
hyram77 wrote: It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.
Why? On what grounds?
There might be a little bit of confusion with loading bay enforcement. The council are a bit secretive about this, but I'll give it a go. The loading bay restriction that I'm familiar with says 'loading only. maximum stay thirty minutes - no return within one hour'. It would be very unlikely for a traffic warden to get a chance to issue a fine for overstaying the thirty minutes, or returning within the one hour, and there would be no chance of the delivery driver appealing these. The fine that we are talking about here is the one that the warden might issue after five minutes for not having seen any loading/unloading. As I said in my earlier post, if the council is not pursuing these if receipts/invoices are submitted with appeals, then WHAT ON EARTH IS THE ISSUE, AND WHY DOES THE ARGUS KEEP REPEATING THIS STORY LIKE A GOOD TABLOID? Paper work is critical here. The 'offence codes' 22, 25 and 30 apply for a loading bay. 22 is for going away and coming back with the specified time, 25 is for not having seen any loading/unloading, and 30 is for overstaying the specified time.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.[/p][/quote]Why? On what grounds?[/p][/quote]There might be a little bit of confusion with loading bay enforcement. The council are a bit secretive about this, but I'll give it a go. The loading bay restriction that I'm familiar with says 'loading only. maximum stay thirty minutes - no return within one hour'. It would be very unlikely for a traffic warden to get a chance to issue a fine for overstaying the thirty minutes, or returning within the one hour, and there would be no chance of the delivery driver appealing these. The fine that we are talking about here is the one that the warden might issue after five minutes for not having seen any loading/unloading. As I said in my earlier post, if the council is not pursuing these if receipts/invoices are submitted with appeals, then WHAT ON EARTH IS THE ISSUE, AND WHY DOES THE ARGUS KEEP REPEATING THIS STORY LIKE A GOOD TABLOID? Paper work is critical here. The 'offence codes' 22, 25 and 30 apply for a loading bay. 22 is for going away and coming back with the specified time, 25 is for not having seen any loading/unloading, and 30 is for overstaying the specified time. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -18

12:27pm Sat 15 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Juleyanne wrote:
Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront?
Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense!
We the Greens don't care about people who contribute, or are striving to make Brighton a better place. If we did we would remove the bus lanes and cycle paths and return the speed limits to sensible usable levels.

In the meanwhile lets hope more tickets are issued sooner so we destroy business and then in full contradiction of recognised policy lets allow more travellers to descend on Brighton and allow them to park on our roads, in our parking areas within our parks and better still on grass in our parks. This will be great if its on the spaces used by tax payers for sporting events and leisure.

We are the Greens
Oh Hello, been away, ?
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Ridiculous policy. Is it really that difficult for the council to design a reasonable drop off time to allow business to function on the seafront? Throttling the life out of much needed trade in these difficult economic times is ludicrous and counter productive. Come on, sort it out B & H council it is not rocket science to allow the smooth running of economic common sense![/p][/quote]We the Greens don't care about people who contribute, or are striving to make Brighton a better place. If we did we would remove the bus lanes and cycle paths and return the speed limits to sensible usable levels. In the meanwhile lets hope more tickets are issued sooner so we destroy business and then in full contradiction of recognised policy lets allow more travellers to descend on Brighton and allow them to park on our roads, in our parking areas within our parks and better still on grass in our parks. This will be great if its on the spaces used by tax payers for sporting events and leisure. We are the Greens[/p][/quote]Oh Hello, been away, ? ARMANA
  • Score: -13

12:30pm Sat 15 Mar 14

BtnLaurence says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
BtnLaurence wrote:
clubrob6 wrote: The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.
Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant. This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas. They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online. As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015.
You wouldn't be Adam Campbell, would you?
No, not me...
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BtnLaurence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The Greens and there hatred of vehicles is doing MASSIVE damage to our city,surely they can see that through there policies its chasing visitors away from the city.If anything parking should be cheap as to attract visitors and a common sense approach to delivery vans etc.The council should know that there anti vehicle policies are NOT working for the good of the city,the council did not feel it was viable to open many council ren tourist attractions like hove's seafront mini golf course.The i360 is doomed to fail before it begins people are not going to pay a fortune to park then pay to go up a tower especially on poor days in season and out of season .The greens are giving the city a bad name even facilities for people not using cars are poor such as the pool valley coach station.[/p][/quote]Very true, unfortunately this Green council are not the listening council and seem to have tunnel vision. It seems to be their way and that's that. The i360 will be a fitting epitaph for them, a great white elephant. This is yet another example of why I didn't want the rise in council tax, I don't have a problem with it in principle but giving it to the Greens that budgeted to withdraw money from essential services and raise the "traffic management" budget, would be just throwing good hard-earned money after very bad ideas. They could have been a great council, we all want a nicer cleaner place to live but now traffic and pollution is worse than ever, people are avoiding Brighton (according to letters on here) and it's just become tiresome. Independent traders are suffering more than anyone, and I'm saying that as an independent trader. It is no longer viable for me to have a shop window in Brighton and I will soon be trading solely online. As I said, they could have been great if they ever listened (and took notice) and compromised. Instead, it's a mess, so roll on May 2015.[/p][/quote]You wouldn't be Adam Campbell, would you?[/p][/quote]No, not me... BtnLaurence
  • Score: -5

12:32pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Richada says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase.
With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me.
Sadly, you can't teach common sense.......

.....responsibility therefore comes to rest on the shoulders of those employing the wardens and the policies that they dictate.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase. With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me.[/p][/quote]Sadly, you can't teach common sense....... .....responsibility therefore comes to rest on the shoulders of those employing the wardens and the policies that they dictate. Richada
  • Score: 16

1:07pm Sat 15 Mar 14

beano mcbean says...

Would you get a ticket if you used a horse drawn cart?
Would you get a ticket if you used a horse drawn cart? beano mcbean
  • Score: 5

1:20pm Sat 15 Mar 14

dingdong2 says...

Brighton council couldn't care less about local businesses going to the wall with ridiculous policies like this.

Local business should stop serving any brighton councillor or council official until they start showing some support local businesses.
Brighton council couldn't care less about local businesses going to the wall with ridiculous policies like this. Local business should stop serving any brighton councillor or council official until they start showing some support local businesses. dingdong2
  • Score: 14

1:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

MegA69 says...

The parking department of BHCC thinks they are here to destroy the city not help it. It is run by petty, small minded, bureaucrats who would not last 5 minutes in the business world. Business people in this town are not only hampered they are harassed. It is common knowledge and a direct result of an extremely unhealthy attitude that prevails in the council. Penny Thomson has promised t bring about a revolution in the poor, obstructive, unhelpful attitudes but we are yet to see it.
The parking department of BHCC thinks they are here to destroy the city not help it. It is run by petty, small minded, bureaucrats who would not last 5 minutes in the business world. Business people in this town are not only hampered they are harassed. It is common knowledge and a direct result of an extremely unhealthy attitude that prevails in the council. Penny Thomson has promised t bring about a revolution in the poor, obstructive, unhelpful attitudes but we are yet to see it. MegA69
  • Score: 18

2:08pm Sat 15 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

beano mcbean wrote:
Would you get a ticket if you used a horse drawn cart?
No, because it doesn't have a VRM i.e. no engine
[quote][p][bold]beano mcbean[/bold] wrote: Would you get a ticket if you used a horse drawn cart?[/p][/quote]No, because it doesn't have a VRM i.e. no engine theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Jagmanmc wrote:
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.[/p][/quote]I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -16

2:25pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

The answer is to say that you are not using the loading bay in accordance with the council's terms and conditions, rather that you are unlawfully occupying it, thereby not implicitly entering into a contract with the council. under which penalty charges can be enforced. This is of course how travellers avoid parking charges and penalties.
The answer is to say that you are not using the loading bay in accordance with the council's terms and conditions, rather that you are unlawfully occupying it, thereby not implicitly entering into a contract with the council. under which penalty charges can be enforced. This is of course how travellers avoid parking charges and penalties. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 11

2:39pm Sat 15 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Richada wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote: It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase. With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me.
Sadly, you can't teach common sense....... .....responsibility therefore comes to rest on the shoulders of those employing the wardens and the policies that they dictate.
It's your common sense that wants questioning. You could refer to my posts.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: It sounds like the council spokeswoman and her colleagues need to go on a course in common sense. Yes, "Common sense". I wonder if they have heard of that phrase. With shops and businesses closing down all over the city(?), leading to loss of jobs and clientele, the last thing that should be considered is to prevent delivery drivers from doing their job. Or maybe they are expecting them to cycle in with their deliveries. With so many other brainless ideas coming from those clowns, nothing would surprise me.[/p][/quote]Sadly, you can't teach common sense....... .....responsibility therefore comes to rest on the shoulders of those employing the wardens and the policies that they dictate.[/p][/quote]It's your common sense that wants questioning. You could refer to my posts. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -11

4:06pm Sat 15 Mar 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Do the drivers have to pay the parking fines? If yes, I can see why they're doing this as they're very poorly paid, not a living wage at all but if it's the company, then they can just take this off the tax they pay as a company cost - or don't they pay tax?
Do the drivers have to pay the parking fines? If yes, I can see why they're doing this as they're very poorly paid, not a living wage at all but if it's the company, then they can just take this off the tax they pay as a company cost - or don't they pay tax? getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Sat 15 Mar 14

the red head says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.
The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control?
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.[/p][/quote]The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control? the red head
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Pheasant pluckers son says...

Sounds typical of this council, for every parking ticket issued you can hear the kerching as the £££ signs light up their eyes.
Some parking attendants are more lenient than others, I've met a few who are perfectly approachable and understanding and on the other hand there is at least 1 who sees the rules as very black & white and won't give anyone 1 second to move. He's normally seem rushing around like a head less chicken. I'm sure he must issue more tickets than anyone else.
I do feel sorry for delivery drivers as they are in a no win situation. The council don't give a **** about them, it's more interested in profit.
I once witnessed a delivery driver unloading his crates of fresh milk along western road by marks & Spencer's to the the coffee shops. He was briefly parked I a bus stop. Yep an offence had been temporarily committed but it was just after 6.30 am and not a bus to be seen. So what harm was he doing apart from his job.
Sounds typical of this council, for every parking ticket issued you can hear the kerching as the £££ signs light up their eyes. Some parking attendants are more lenient than others, I've met a few who are perfectly approachable and understanding and on the other hand there is at least 1 who sees the rules as very black & white and won't give anyone 1 second to move. He's normally seem rushing around like a head less chicken. I'm sure he must issue more tickets than anyone else. I do feel sorry for delivery drivers as they are in a no win situation. The council don't give a **** about them, it's more interested in profit. I once witnessed a delivery driver unloading his crates of fresh milk along western road by marks & Spencer's to the the coffee shops. He was briefly parked I a bus stop. Yep an offence had been temporarily committed but it was just after 6.30 am and not a bus to be seen. So what harm was he doing apart from his job. Pheasant pluckers son
  • Score: 14

5:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

shining star says...

woody4728 wrote:
My husband is a sales/delivery driver and has recieved a ticket too! That fine has to be paid by us not his company and so he worked a day for nothing! Male me mad, would love to see a traffic warden work a whole day for nothing. Commen sense is needed these delivery guys are doing a job let them do it !!!!!!
Why blame the traffic warden ! They're only doing the job they're told to do. the Warden doesn't set the parking rules. Most intelligent people wouldn't blame the bus driver if the bus fares were put up or have a go at a policeman if the law was changed. Go complain to the people who set the rules, not the poor warden also trying to earn a living. People can't win, if they don't work they are referred to as 'Benefit Scroungers'!
[quote][p][bold]woody4728[/bold] wrote: My husband is a sales/delivery driver and has recieved a ticket too! That fine has to be paid by us not his company and so he worked a day for nothing! Male me mad, would love to see a traffic warden work a whole day for nothing. Commen sense is needed these delivery guys are doing a job let them do it !!!!!![/p][/quote]Why blame the traffic warden ! They're only doing the job they're told to do. the Warden doesn't set the parking rules. Most intelligent people wouldn't blame the bus driver if the bus fares were put up or have a go at a policeman if the law was changed. Go complain to the people who set the rules, not the poor warden also trying to earn a living. People can't win, if they don't work they are referred to as 'Benefit Scroungers'! shining star
  • Score: -6

5:07pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Jagmanmc says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Jagmanmc wrote:
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers.
I was making a point. Obviously there are bad drivers and good ones, but at the very least they are working for a living.
Although of course there is no excuse for being inconsiderate.
I suppose you don't get anything delivered......?
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.[/p][/quote]I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers.[/p][/quote]I was making a point. Obviously there are bad drivers and good ones, but at the very least they are working for a living. Although of course there is no excuse for being inconsiderate. I suppose you don't get anything delivered......? Jagmanmc
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Sat 15 Mar 14

JoePara says...

Never mind -the regulations will soon state 'Bicycles only' for deliveries - see what a daft lot they are - roll on 2015 !!!!
Never mind -the regulations will soon state 'Bicycles only' for deliveries - see what a daft lot they are - roll on 2015 !!!! JoePara
  • Score: 7

8:05pm Sat 15 Mar 14

KEHs54 says...

hyram77 wrote:
It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.
Not a chance of getting off. I was carrying 50 reams of paper into an office from a loading bay. Because the Warden did not see me within 5 minutes I got a ticket. I explained that i could not leave the car open as the paper would be stolen nor could I leave the Church door open due to gentlemen of the road who get in a the slightest chance. Still got the fine.
[quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: It seems the parking wardens are at fault here and not the loading bay restriction. Send in the appeal and the fine will be over turned.[/p][/quote]Not a chance of getting off. I was carrying 50 reams of paper into an office from a loading bay. Because the Warden did not see me within 5 minutes I got a ticket. I explained that i could not leave the car open as the paper would be stolen nor could I leave the Church door open due to gentlemen of the road who get in a the slightest chance. Still got the fine. KEHs54
  • Score: 3

8:54pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

So, let me get this right :-

1) delivery drivers get fined while attempting to do their job and earn an honest living.

2) travellers occupy our parks, at no cost whatsoever, and leave their excrement and rubbish just where they think they will with the connivance and approval of our green led council who unlock gates to let them in to trash our green spaces.

3) The council borrow £36 million to enable the building of a doughnut on a stick which requires thousands of visitors per week to break even but actively pursue policies denying those visitors easy access and reasonably priced parking hence shooting themselves in the foot before a brick is laid.

4) All of the above is enabled by allowing non council tax payers, such as students, to vote. The students, of course will mainly buzz off after 3 years and not bear the consequences of their actions.

This is democracy in action and it makes you proud to be British. Those of us living in the Brighton Pavilion constituency are, of course, doubly blessed and even more happy to be living in the la la land of Lucas and Kitkat.

God help us !.
So, let me get this right :- 1) delivery drivers get fined while attempting to do their job and earn an honest living. 2) travellers occupy our parks, at no cost whatsoever, and leave their excrement and rubbish just where they think they will with the connivance and approval of our green led council who unlock gates to let them in to trash our green spaces. 3) The council borrow £36 million to enable the building of a doughnut on a stick which requires thousands of visitors per week to break even but actively pursue policies denying those visitors easy access and reasonably priced parking hence shooting themselves in the foot before a brick is laid. 4) All of the above is enabled by allowing non council tax payers, such as students, to vote. The students, of course will mainly buzz off after 3 years and not bear the consequences of their actions. This is democracy in action and it makes you proud to be British. Those of us living in the Brighton Pavilion constituency are, of course, doubly blessed and even more happy to be living in the la la land of Lucas and Kitkat. God help us !. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 12

12:27am Sun 16 Mar 14

Terry K says...

Still reckon delivery by boat would work, even better by sail boat to keep the greens happy.
Still reckon delivery by boat would work, even better by sail boat to keep the greens happy. Terry K
  • Score: -1

8:43am Sun 16 Mar 14

boristhespider says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Do the drivers have to pay the parking fines? If yes, I can see why they're doing this as they're very poorly paid, not a living wage at all but if it's the company, then they can just take this off the tax they pay as a company cost - or don't they pay tax?
Business cannot offset parking fines against tax...a fine is a fine, its not tax deductible
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Do the drivers have to pay the parking fines? If yes, I can see why they're doing this as they're very poorly paid, not a living wage at all but if it's the company, then they can just take this off the tax they pay as a company cost - or don't they pay tax?[/p][/quote]Business cannot offset parking fines against tax...a fine is a fine, its not tax deductible boristhespider
  • Score: 3

10:17am Sun 16 Mar 14

jackthekipper says...

i got a ticket for being observed for 1 minute despite having hazards on and back doors open,there was no traffic and i was not in the way.this was in stone street behind where hmv was in western rd,admittedly on yellows but there is no where else.i appealed to no avail.1 minute!
no discretion or common sense just black and white rules
i got a ticket for being observed for 1 minute despite having hazards on and back doors open,there was no traffic and i was not in the way.this was in stone street behind where hmv was in western rd,admittedly on yellows but there is no where else.i appealed to no avail.1 minute! no discretion or common sense just black and white rules jackthekipper
  • Score: 5

6:48pm Sun 16 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Joshiman wrote:
Next council take note.You will have to reverse these ridiculous car hating, business hating policies.
Or your be voted out tooooo,!!!
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Next council take note.You will have to reverse these ridiculous car hating, business hating policies.[/p][/quote]Or your be voted out tooooo,!!! ARMANA
  • Score: 3

7:48pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Ania Green says...

There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati. Ania Green
  • Score: -6

7:53pm Sun 16 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Ania Green wrote:
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
Evidently it is a problem Ania Green. If it has gone as far as delivery drivers refusing to deliver to the area.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.[/p][/quote]Evidently it is a problem Ania Green. If it has gone as far as delivery drivers refusing to deliver to the area. mimseycal
  • Score: 7

8:14pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Richada says...

Ania Green wrote:
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
It's very good that the Argus is catering for us because the characters that we elected to represent us on the council sure as h3ll aren't.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.[/p][/quote]It's very good that the Argus is catering for us because the characters that we elected to represent us on the council sure as h3ll aren't. Richada
  • Score: 5

8:36pm Sun 16 Mar 14

BtnLaurence says...

Ania Green wrote:
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
And how many delivery vans do you see with a driver AND a passenger? Not many...
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.[/p][/quote]And how many delivery vans do you see with a driver AND a passenger? Not many... BtnLaurence
  • Score: 7

10:17pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Ambo Guy says...

Ania Green wrote:
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
Ania - while you might be quite fit you really do talk a lot of crap.

I just wonder if you've ever actually had a proper job as you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land with your evermore ridiculous comments.

PS - I've noticed you use the word 'Moanerati' which is also HJarrs favourite insult. Is this a Green Party word or have you just accidentally busted yourself as actually being the same person?
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.[/p][/quote]Ania - while you might be quite fit you really do talk a lot of crap. I just wonder if you've ever actually had a proper job as you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land with your evermore ridiculous comments. PS - I've noticed you use the word 'Moanerati' which is also HJarrs favourite insult. Is this a Green Party word or have you just accidentally busted yourself as actually being the same person? Ambo Guy
  • Score: 4

10:29pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Jagmanmc wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
Jagmanmc wrote:
I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton.
If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base).
This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike.
The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!.
So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people.
I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.
I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers.
I was making a point. Obviously there are bad drivers and good ones, but at the very least they are working for a living.
Although of course there is no excuse for being inconsiderate.
I suppose you don't get anything delivered......?
Yes I get things delivered, I live in a narrow street and the delivery drivers insist on stopping right outside the house, completely blocking the road while they deliver the parcel, even if there is a free space within 20 or 30 yards.
[quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I really feel sorry for delivery drivers in Brighton. If you have ever seen inside of a typical couriers van you will see it full up with parcels of all shapes and sizes, these guys have to not only cope with the town centre traffic, but have to stop frequently all day long (I recently tracked a parcel and I was drop number 114 - and after the deliveries they have then to do all the collections before returning to base). This is in a van, imagine (if you can) driving a large rigid lorry (not articulated) with limited turning circle around the city. Somewhat different than simply driving a car or riding a bike. The simple fact is that the amount of traffic nowadays is unbelievable compared to even the 1980's. We all expect our orders to arrive on time etc, and I bet those council members and even traffic enforcement officers expect their fridges and TV's to arrive on time too, and that the driver has found somewhere to park nearby to do it!. So give these drivers a chance, they do a good service and most of them are just normal hard working people. I am not a delivery driver - I just recognise what they do.[/p][/quote]I also recognise what delivery drivers do, they double park, park in bus lanes or cycle lanes just to save walking an extra few yards, I live near the Hartington pub and the delivery driver there just stops in the middle of the narrow road, completely blocking it for 15 minutes. Couriers get even less sympathy from me with their speeding, inconsiderate and dangerous driving. Admittedly town centres are not built for big vehicles to make deliveries but anyone working in the town centre and driving to work gets no special considerations so why should delivery drivers.[/p][/quote]I was making a point. Obviously there are bad drivers and good ones, but at the very least they are working for a living. Although of course there is no excuse for being inconsiderate. I suppose you don't get anything delivered......?[/p][/quote]Yes I get things delivered, I live in a narrow street and the delivery drivers insist on stopping right outside the house, completely blocking the road while they deliver the parcel, even if there is a free space within 20 or 30 yards. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 4

10:58pm Sun 16 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

mimseycal wrote:
Ania Green wrote:
There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses.

Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.
Evidently it is a problem Ania Green. If it has gone as far as delivery drivers refusing to deliver to the area.
The problem, is the utter greed & bullying the brighton councils policy on parking, there not there to help, there there to trap you legally out of £60, & they dont give a shxt,
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: There are lots of delivery bays provided for drivers just away from the seafront. Surely two people would have no problem taking the goods down to the lower esplanade from a short distance. There are also loading/delivery bays with a 5 minute limit that cater for deliveries to seafront businesses. Another non story from The Argus just to cater for the moanerati.[/p][/quote]Evidently it is a problem Ania Green. If it has gone as far as delivery drivers refusing to deliver to the area.[/p][/quote]The problem, is the utter greed & bullying the brighton councils policy on parking, there not there to help, there there to trap you legally out of £60, & they dont give a shxt, ARMANA
  • Score: 4

11:23pm Sun 16 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

The problem is that it seems that there is but one approach to the parking situation in Brighton & Hove and that is to clobber the parker. There does not appear to be an wareness that some people park not to go swanning about the shops to spend their hard earned cash but to deliver the goods and the services for these other parkers to spend their hard earned cash on.

Two different groups with different reasons for parking that need to be treated in different ways. It appears however that this is too complex a matter for our council.
The problem is that it seems that there is but one approach to the parking situation in Brighton & Hove and that is to clobber the parker. There does not appear to be an wareness that some people park not to go swanning about the shops to spend their hard earned cash but to deliver the goods and the services for these other parkers to spend their hard earned cash on. Two different groups with different reasons for parking that need to be treated in different ways. It appears however that this is too complex a matter for our council. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

7:25am Mon 17 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

mimseycal wrote:
The problem is that it seems that there is but one approach to the parking situation in Brighton & Hove and that is to clobber the parker. There does not appear to be an wareness that some people park not to go swanning about the shops to spend their hard earned cash but to deliver the goods and the services for these other parkers to spend their hard earned cash on.

Two different groups with different reasons for parking that need to be treated in different ways. It appears however that this is too complex a matter for our council.
Thats what I said, you just wrapped it up in Christmas paper,
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: The problem is that it seems that there is but one approach to the parking situation in Brighton & Hove and that is to clobber the parker. There does not appear to be an wareness that some people park not to go swanning about the shops to spend their hard earned cash but to deliver the goods and the services for these other parkers to spend their hard earned cash on. Two different groups with different reasons for parking that need to be treated in different ways. It appears however that this is too complex a matter for our council.[/p][/quote]Thats what I said, you just wrapped it up in Christmas paper, ARMANA
  • Score: 1

7:51am Mon 17 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

I don't understand, surely illegally parked vehicles block traffic flow? As many Argus posters consider the free movement of cars the holy grail then I would have thought they would welcome strict parking enforcement.
I don't understand, surely illegally parked vehicles block traffic flow? As many Argus posters consider the free movement of cars the holy grail then I would have thought they would welcome strict parking enforcement. gheese77
  • Score: -1

7:59am Mon 17 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

gheese77 wrote:
I don't understand, surely illegally parked vehicles block traffic flow? As many Argus posters consider the free movement of cars the holy grail then I would have thought they would welcome strict parking enforcement.
Argus posters are far too diverse a group to share a holy grail. And this is not so much about enforcement as it is about implementing a parking policy in the first place. One size does not fit all!
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: I don't understand, surely illegally parked vehicles block traffic flow? As many Argus posters consider the free movement of cars the holy grail then I would have thought they would welcome strict parking enforcement.[/p][/quote]Argus posters are far too diverse a group to share a holy grail. And this is not so much about enforcement as it is about implementing a parking policy in the first place. One size does not fit all! mimseycal
  • Score: -2

8:04am Mon 17 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

Ok -I should have said many argus posters, known by some as the moanerati
Ok -I should have said many argus posters, known by some as the moanerati gheese77
  • Score: 0

10:04am Mon 17 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

the red head wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote: This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.
The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control?
My issue, is that there is no reference to the fines being overturned, because neither the council or the traders are being forthcoming about this. As I said in my earlier post, it would appear to hinge on 'offence codes 22, 25 and 30', as the parking tickets would have it. The traders and delivery drivers shouldn't be winding up Argus readers if their 'code 25' tickets are not being pursued on production of delivery paper work (even though I know that the council take time processing appeals, and it might get a bit tiresome if you have a lot of fines being appealed at once). Similarly, the council could be a bit more forthcoming about their behaviour with code 25 appeals. Finally, I have something to say that will get a few thumbs down, but might we not be dealing with delivery drivers who left school hardly able to spell 'GCSE', so any need to articulate an appeal might be too much of a challenge: easier to contact the Argus for a bit of rabble rousing. I'll be keeping a note of all the dates of these similar stories for future posts, because there seem to be a lot of them that just keep being left hanging in thin air. Or perhaps, as Argus readers, we're not meant to know; just let ourselves get wound up.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.[/p][/quote]The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control?[/p][/quote]My issue, is that there is no reference to the fines being overturned, because neither the council or the traders are being forthcoming about this. As I said in my earlier post, it would appear to hinge on 'offence codes 22, 25 and 30', as the parking tickets would have it. The traders and delivery drivers shouldn't be winding up Argus readers if their 'code 25' tickets are not being pursued on production of delivery paper work (even though I know that the council take time processing appeals, and it might get a bit tiresome if you have a lot of fines being appealed at once). Similarly, the council could be a bit more forthcoming about their behaviour with code 25 appeals. Finally, I have something to say that will get a few thumbs down, but might we not be dealing with delivery drivers who left school hardly able to spell 'GCSE', so any need to articulate an appeal might be too much of a challenge: easier to contact the Argus for a bit of rabble rousing. I'll be keeping a note of all the dates of these similar stories for future posts, because there seem to be a lot of them that just keep being left hanging in thin air. Or perhaps, as Argus readers, we're not meant to know; just let ourselves get wound up. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 1

11:27am Mon 17 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
the red head wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote: This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.
The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control?
My issue, is that there is no reference to the fines being overturned, because neither the council or the traders are being forthcoming about this. As I said in my earlier post, it would appear to hinge on 'offence codes 22, 25 and 30', as the parking tickets would have it. The traders and delivery drivers shouldn't be winding up Argus readers if their 'code 25' tickets are not being pursued on production of delivery paper work (even though I know that the council take time processing appeals, and it might get a bit tiresome if you have a lot of fines being appealed at once). Similarly, the council could be a bit more forthcoming about their behaviour with code 25 appeals. Finally, I have something to say that will get a few thumbs down, but might we not be dealing with delivery drivers who left school hardly able to spell 'GCSE', so any need to articulate an appeal might be too much of a challenge: easier to contact the Argus for a bit of rabble rousing. I'll be keeping a note of all the dates of these similar stories for future posts, because there seem to be a lot of them that just keep being left hanging in thin air. Or perhaps, as Argus readers, we're not meant to know; just let ourselves get wound up.
On second thoughts, it sounds as if the delivery drivers might be taking the fines literally. They might be taking them as a final word instead of a question mark, and are paying them without bothering appealing, and then having to wait to find out how the council responds. They've spent money they didn't need to spend. The council aren't going to complain about a few quid that they were never owed. If anyone wants any help with such an appeal, they only have to ask.......
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: This 'story' appears to be identical to that 'broken down' car on The Level a little while back that we haven't heard any more about (I wonder why that is? Could it be because that wasn't a story either?) Firstly, it is an open secret that people will play games to appear to be loading, when they are not doing this (has anybody NEVER done that?) Secondly, these delivery drivers would also be complaining if there was never anywhere safe for them to pull in to load/unload. Thirdly, as with the disappearing case of the 'broken down car' on The Level, if it is simply a matter of the delivery drivers submitting appeals every day with invoices/receipts and the matter is not being pursued by the council, THEN THIS IS NOT A STORY EITHER. (Or perhaps they don't do business with invoices/receipts for some reason). Over to you sad little thumb downers. But Mr Argus, if the council is really being a complete a*****e, then we would like to know about this.[/p][/quote]The argus have been approached by seafront traders who, as the guy seems to be saying, has already tried to approach the council to no avail. The argus, therefore, has taken on his story, getting a quote from the council on it and opening up discussion with readers. It's actually kinda simple. There is no reference to these fines being overturned and I'm sure the council having been given the opportunity would have set the record case if that was the situation. Are you just here to poke a fire that's already well under control?[/p][/quote]My issue, is that there is no reference to the fines being overturned, because neither the council or the traders are being forthcoming about this. As I said in my earlier post, it would appear to hinge on 'offence codes 22, 25 and 30', as the parking tickets would have it. The traders and delivery drivers shouldn't be winding up Argus readers if their 'code 25' tickets are not being pursued on production of delivery paper work (even though I know that the council take time processing appeals, and it might get a bit tiresome if you have a lot of fines being appealed at once). Similarly, the council could be a bit more forthcoming about their behaviour with code 25 appeals. Finally, I have something to say that will get a few thumbs down, but might we not be dealing with delivery drivers who left school hardly able to spell 'GCSE', so any need to articulate an appeal might be too much of a challenge: easier to contact the Argus for a bit of rabble rousing. I'll be keeping a note of all the dates of these similar stories for future posts, because there seem to be a lot of them that just keep being left hanging in thin air. Or perhaps, as Argus readers, we're not meant to know; just let ourselves get wound up.[/p][/quote]On second thoughts, it sounds as if the delivery drivers might be taking the fines literally. They might be taking them as a final word instead of a question mark, and are paying them without bothering appealing, and then having to wait to find out how the council responds. They've spent money they didn't need to spend. The council aren't going to complain about a few quid that they were never owed. If anyone wants any help with such an appeal, they only have to ask....... theargusissoinformative
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