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Jaguar driver identified in 'cycle rage' YouTube incident

The Argus: CYCLIST: Eddie Bell CYCLIST: Eddie Bell

WITH VIDEO: Sussex Police have identified the driver of a Jaguar who appeared to swing at an Eastbourne cyclist as he filmed him.

The Argus exclusively reported last week that Eddie Bell, of Eastbourne, was cycling in Pevensey Road when the incident took place.

The driver pulled over and Mr Bell, 38, filmed him as he repeatedly swore at him - 25 times in just 37 seconds.

Mr Bell reported the matter to the police.

Now Sussex Police has said: “Police have the video and have identified the driver. They will be investigating this as an incident of public place violent crime.”

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11:45am Wed 19 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Oi! Driver! NOOOOO!
Oi! Driver! NOOOOO! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 14

12:06pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?
But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 16

12:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Brighton Living says...

Anger Management !!
Anger Management !! Brighton Living
  • Score: 14

12:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Jo Wadsworth says...

Fight_Back wrote:
But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?
He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?[/p][/quote]He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand. Jo Wadsworth
  • Score: 27

12:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do. clubrob6
  • Score: -7

12:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

billy goat-gruff says...

clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
So all drivers are angels, and cyclists are provoking innocent motorists just by not being in cars?
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]So all drivers are angels, and cyclists are provoking innocent motorists just by not being in cars? billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 29

12:31pm Wed 19 Mar 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

oh course motorists can do no wrong never speed,never use mobile phones or park stupidily. Always have tax and insurance.
Its only beastly cyclists that cause all the problems in the world.
Didnt you see the column of brighton cyclists being putains vanguard into the ukraine? All paid for by the brighton green council?.
oh course motorists can do no wrong never speed,never use mobile phones or park stupidily. Always have tax and insurance. Its only beastly cyclists that cause all the problems in the world. Didnt you see the column of brighton cyclists being putains vanguard into the ukraine? All paid for by the brighton green council?. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 12

12:43pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy R says...

Jo Wadsworth wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?
He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.
"Tellingly" of nothing whatsoever then, other than perhaps a desperate petrolhead thrashing around for an excuse......
[quote][p][bold]Jo Wadsworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?[/p][/quote]He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.[/p][/quote]"Tellingly" of nothing whatsoever then, other than perhaps a desperate petrolhead thrashing around for an excuse...... Andy R
  • Score: -4

12:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

wexler53 says...

From the video, it would appear that there is more to this incident than meets the eye.

This doesn't excuse violent behaviour in any way, but hopefully the police will check this out in an even handed way.

What is a pity, is the very real "them and us" situation that has evolved between cyclists and other road users, be they car, bus, lorry, van drivers or pedestrians.

Extremists in either camp simply make the situation worse, not better.

All road users, without exception, should be responsible and considerate.

But with ideological zealots around - extremists - this tolerance is not going to happen any day soon unfortunately.
From the video, it would appear that there is more to this incident than meets the eye. This doesn't excuse violent behaviour in any way, but hopefully the police will check this out in an even handed way. What is a pity, is the very real "them and us" situation that has evolved between cyclists and other road users, be they car, bus, lorry, van drivers or pedestrians. Extremists in either camp simply make the situation worse, not better. All road users, without exception, should be responsible and considerate. But with ideological zealots around - extremists - this tolerance is not going to happen any day soon unfortunately. wexler53
  • Score: 35

1:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Jo Wadsworth wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?
He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.
Nor even a description of the previous incident from Mr Bell ? You can quite clearly hear the driver accusing Mr Bell of calling the W word. What else went on ? This is a very one sided incident. I don't condone the drivers actions but Mr Bell isn't telling the full story here.
[quote][p][bold]Jo Wadsworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?[/p][/quote]He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.[/p][/quote]Nor even a description of the previous incident from Mr Bell ? You can quite clearly hear the driver accusing Mr Bell of calling the W word. What else went on ? This is a very one sided incident. I don't condone the drivers actions but Mr Bell isn't telling the full story here. Fight_Back
  • Score: 21

1:17pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Ihopenoonehasthisusername says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
So all drivers are angels, and cyclists are provoking innocent motorists just by not being in cars?
Of course not all drivers are angels, but car drivers have to pass a test and have at the least third party insurance to be on the road. What do cyclist have to have? A bike. If a car driver causes an accident they can be identified. When a cyclist does they just cycle off. I think that's what irks most people about cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]So all drivers are angels, and cyclists are provoking innocent motorists just by not being in cars?[/p][/quote]Of course not all drivers are angels, but car drivers have to pass a test and have at the least third party insurance to be on the road. What do cyclist have to have? A bike. If a car driver causes an accident they can be identified. When a cyclist does they just cycle off. I think that's what irks most people about cyclists. Ihopenoonehasthisusername
  • Score: 6

1:19pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
Jo Wadsworth wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?
He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.
"Tellingly" of nothing whatsoever then, other than perhaps a desperate petrolhead thrashing around for an excuse......
Or someone wishing to see the whole story maybe ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo Wadsworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: But tellingly Mr Bell hasn't released any footage of the previous incident that you can quite clearly hear the driver referring to. I wonder why that is ?[/p][/quote]He only switched his camera on after the driver pulled over. There is no footage of what happened immediately beforehand.[/p][/quote]"Tellingly" of nothing whatsoever then, other than perhaps a desperate petrolhead thrashing around for an excuse......[/p][/quote]Or someone wishing to see the whole story maybe ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 5

1:52pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists gheese77
  • Score: -5

1:54pm Wed 19 Mar 14

/dev/null says...

as a cyclist AND a driver I have to say :

1. The tests for getting a driving license should include a few sessions of biking in busy streets. It would change many driver's perception of biking and help see 'the other side'

2. Always expect the unexpected. Drivers/riders/pedes
trians are not 100% 'there'. That's life. Make allowances for it, deal with it. Good people can do stupid things. This shouldn't lead to injury or death.

3. Don't pick up fights. You don't know the mental state of the other side at the time.
as a cyclist AND a driver I have to say : 1. The tests for getting a driving license should include a few sessions of biking in busy streets. It would change many driver's perception of biking and help see 'the other side' 2. Always expect the unexpected. Drivers/riders/pedes trians are not 100% 'there'. That's life. Make allowances for it, deal with it. Good people can do stupid things. This shouldn't lead to injury or death. 3. Don't pick up fights. You don't know the mental state of the other side at the time. /dev/null
  • Score: 24

3:11pm Wed 19 Mar 14

cynic_the says...

gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists cynic_the
  • Score: -8

3:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThinkBrighton says...

It doesn't matter what happened before the cyclist was stopped, to use this kind of language is an assault, and should be treated as one.
It doesn't matter what happened before the cyclist was stopped, to use this kind of language is an assault, and should be treated as one. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 12

4:39pm Wed 19 Mar 14

threepennybit says...

Anyone else notice the cycle path the cyclist was NOT using?
Really does annoy me especially in B&H where taxpayers have clearly paid for these paths & yet these people STILL cycle on the roads!
They take no notice of crossings or traffic lights, they think they are excluded from using the highway code!
Anyone else notice the cycle path the cyclist was NOT using? Really does annoy me especially in B&H where taxpayers have clearly paid for these paths & yet these people STILL cycle on the roads! They take no notice of crossings or traffic lights, they think they are excluded from using the highway code! threepennybit
  • Score: -6

4:43pm Wed 19 Mar 14

supermom says...

Or the whiney little **** could of just used the cycle path next to the road ! Defiantly more to this story and my gut feeling is the poor guy in the car is unfortunately going to cop the blame for reacting to someone else's selfishness.
Or the whiney little **** could of just used the cycle path next to the road ! Defiantly more to this story and my gut feeling is the poor guy in the car is unfortunately going to cop the blame for reacting to someone else's selfishness. supermom
  • Score: -15

4:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

supermom says...

Lol you beat me to it :-)
Lol you beat me to it :-) supermom
  • Score: -21

4:54pm Wed 19 Mar 14

SonnyJim55 says...

I have just watched the video this clown of a cyclist has taken. OMG, He has obviously abused and given the sign to this poor car driver(no denial when filming) and then when confronted has the audacity to call the police. What is this world coming to. Do we have to put up with this continued provocation by cyclists either by gesture, verbal or just the ludicrous way they flout the highway code. IMO the driver made 1 major mistake,not taking that phone off this coward and jumping up and down on it. NO Evidence or Phone. Happy Days.
I have just watched the video this clown of a cyclist has taken. OMG, He has obviously abused and given the sign to this poor car driver(no denial when filming) and then when confronted has the audacity to call the police. What is this world coming to. Do we have to put up with this continued provocation by cyclists either by gesture, verbal or just the ludicrous way they flout the highway code. IMO the driver made 1 major mistake,not taking that phone off this coward and jumping up and down on it. NO Evidence or Phone. Happy Days. SonnyJim55
  • Score: -8

5:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists[/p][/quote]I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist. gheese77
  • Score: 18

5:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

rolivan says...

gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.
Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists[/p][/quote]I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.[/p][/quote]Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise? rolivan
  • Score: -19

6:26pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ronrostog says...

The driver lost his rag for a reason and judging by what he says on the vid he got verbal abuse off the cyclist first. He probably drove off thinking 'cheeky ****' so waited for him and let rip. Am not condoning him lashing out at all but is more to this than a jag driver deciding to wait for a cyclist to have a go at for the hell of it. Y'know, gob off using swear words and you may just get it back in kind. In a nutshell, methinks the cyclist got abusive, the jag driver pulls up and waits having decided he ain't gonna take it, cyclist doesn't like it, goes to the old bill, becomes a story and we argue the rights and wrongs about it on this website. There you go...
The driver lost his rag for a reason and judging by what he says on the vid he got verbal abuse off the cyclist first. He probably drove off thinking 'cheeky ****' so waited for him and let rip. Am not condoning him lashing out at all but is more to this than a jag driver deciding to wait for a cyclist to have a go at for the hell of it. Y'know, gob off using swear words and you may just get it back in kind. In a nutshell, methinks the cyclist got abusive, the jag driver pulls up and waits having decided he ain't gonna take it, cyclist doesn't like it, goes to the old bill, becomes a story and we argue the rights and wrongs about it on this website. There you go... ronrostog
  • Score: -8

6:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

waste of Police time Nothing actually happened did it??
waste of Police time Nothing actually happened did it?? upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: -8

7:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Skidrow says...

Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter.
Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter. Skidrow
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Brightonian1966 says...

The driver was vexed to the max.
He is quite clearly heard saying
"Call me a ****"
The cyclist at this point shat himself .
Cyclist is a typical middle class ponce
Thinks that everybody is going to discuss things.
He gave large to the driver.Never thinking the Jag would be
Parked further up the road.
The old adage if you can't back it up keep
It buttoned.
In conclusion ,after considering all the facts:
The cyclist is a ****
The driver was vexed to the max. He is quite clearly heard saying "Call me a ****" The cyclist at this point shat himself . Cyclist is a typical middle class ponce Thinks that everybody is going to discuss things. He gave large to the driver.Never thinking the Jag would be Parked further up the road. The old adage if you can't back it up keep It buttoned. In conclusion ,after considering all the facts: The cyclist is a **** Brightonian1966
  • Score: -11

7:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

DougM says...

Jag probably paid for by benefits scam. Wouldn't be unusual, behaviour like that is usually displayed by freeloaders who like to show the trappings of wealth.
Jag probably paid for by benefits scam. Wouldn't be unusual, behaviour like that is usually displayed by freeloaders who like to show the trappings of wealth. DougM
  • Score: -5

8:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

batty lad says...

TAZER THE VIOLENT BEAST,, AND KICK HIM ON THE WAYDOWN!
TAZER THE VIOLENT BEAST,, AND KICK HIM ON THE WAYDOWN! batty lad
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Wed 19 Mar 14

To baldly go says...

rolivan wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.
Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists[/p][/quote]I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.[/p][/quote]Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. To baldly go
  • Score: -21

9:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

To baldly go says...

I live in Worthing and work in Hove and use the A259 coast road to commute and with no exaggeration I see at least 30 occasions daily where cyclists jump red lights, sometimes causing cars to brake sharply to avoid killing these nutters and guess what the cyclist on most occasions will give the car driver the finger! It's probably only the fact that they are going in different directions in rush hour traffic it goes no further, but, in this video the car is travelling in the same direction and has had the opportunity to confront the cyclist for what he done previously, perhaps both of them after this will keep calm if it happens again.
I live in Worthing and work in Hove and use the A259 coast road to commute and with no exaggeration I see at least 30 occasions daily where cyclists jump red lights, sometimes causing cars to brake sharply to avoid killing these nutters and guess what the cyclist on most occasions will give the car driver the finger! It's probably only the fact that they are going in different directions in rush hour traffic it goes no further, but, in this video the car is travelling in the same direction and has had the opportunity to confront the cyclist for what he done previously, perhaps both of them after this will keep calm if it happens again. To baldly go
  • Score: 3

11:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Chaffinch1 says...

If the cyclist had been on the cycle path, he and the jag driver would never have crossed paths. Cyclists would soon complain if a motorbike drove down the cycle path at 50mph, but as usual the cyclist can do what he wants and everyone else has to make concessions for him.
If the cyclist had been on the cycle path, he and the jag driver would never have crossed paths. Cyclists would soon complain if a motorbike drove down the cycle path at 50mph, but as usual the cyclist can do what he wants and everyone else has to make concessions for him. Chaffinch1
  • Score: -13

1:15am Thu 20 Mar 14

Brightonian1966 says...

Chaffinch1 wrote:
If the cyclist had been on the cycle path, he and the jag driver would never have crossed paths. Cyclists would soon complain if a motorbike drove down the cycle path at 50mph, but as usual the cyclist can do what he wants and everyone else has to make concessions for him.
Hear hear
[quote][p][bold]Chaffinch1[/bold] wrote: If the cyclist had been on the cycle path, he and the jag driver would never have crossed paths. Cyclists would soon complain if a motorbike drove down the cycle path at 50mph, but as usual the cyclist can do what he wants and everyone else has to make concessions for him.[/p][/quote]Hear hear Brightonian1966
  • Score: -12

5:08am Thu 20 Mar 14

MzEden1 says...

People seem to forget some key facts about cyclists:
Nowhere in the highway code does it say that a cyclist MUST use a cycle lane if there is one.
In an accident a cyclist is far more easily injured than the motor vehicle driver.
Most importantly, cyclists are human beings. Human beings who chose to travel by bike sometimes. Cyclists are/ have parents, children, siblings, friends.
Cyclists are not all the same. Why judge every one of them by the worst of them?
If drivers looked at cyclists and saw someone they cared about would they still drive the same way?

Situation: you open your car door without looking. (It states it the highway code you should look)
It probably won't effect you at all.
For the cyclist you didn't see however, they may have to swerve to avoid you, possibly into the path of another vehicle, which may hit them, causing them injury, which hurts physically, causing them time in hospital and off work so they're not working, not earning, not able to pay bills, feed their family.
If someone put you in that position, wouldn't you swear too.
People seem to forget some key facts about cyclists: Nowhere in the highway code does it say that a cyclist MUST use a cycle lane if there is one. In an accident a cyclist is far more easily injured than the motor vehicle driver. Most importantly, cyclists are human beings. Human beings who chose to travel by bike sometimes. Cyclists are/ have parents, children, siblings, friends. Cyclists are not all the same. Why judge every one of them by the worst of them? If drivers looked at cyclists and saw someone they cared about would they still drive the same way? Situation: you open your car door without looking. (It states it the highway code you should look) It probably won't effect you at all. For the cyclist you didn't see however, they may have to swerve to avoid you, possibly into the path of another vehicle, which may hit them, causing them injury, which hurts physically, causing them time in hospital and off work so they're not working, not earning, not able to pay bills, feed their family. If someone put you in that position, wouldn't you swear too. MzEden1
  • Score: 20

5:42am Thu 20 Mar 14

Nosfaratu says...

There is a simple way to ensure that you as a car driver can defend yourself and take legal action against any road user who causes or potentially could cause an accident or breaks the rules. GET AN IN CAR CAMERA.
There is a simple way to ensure that you as a car driver can defend yourself and take legal action against any road user who causes or potentially could cause an accident or breaks the rules. GET AN IN CAR CAMERA. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 12

9:23am Thu 20 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

Skidrow wrote:
Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter.
Is that the best incident of a cyclist causing death you can find ? Toni Magdi was not killed by being struck by a bicycle as you well know. He was killed by a single punch. His death is not classified as a road traffic death. In fact as the person who punched hime was not on his bicycle at the time he was in fact killed by a pedestrian. Even if we accept the tenuous idea that he was killed by a cyclist we are still looking at cyclists causing 0.0006 % of the 1700 + RTA deaths
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter.[/p][/quote]Is that the best incident of a cyclist causing death you can find ? Toni Magdi was not killed by being struck by a bicycle as you well know. He was killed by a single punch. His death is not classified as a road traffic death. In fact as the person who punched hime was not on his bicycle at the time he was in fact killed by a pedestrian. Even if we accept the tenuous idea that he was killed by a cyclist we are still looking at cyclists causing 0.0006 % of the 1700 + RTA deaths gheese77
  • Score: 5

9:37am Thu 20 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

rolivan wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.
Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?
122 Cyclists were killed on the roads in 2012 an increase of 10 % on 2011. The increase is thought to be due to more people cycling due tto government policies to encourage cycling. What proportion were 'responsible for their own demise' is not available in the figures but the highest risk group per km cycled were 10 to 15 year olds. There are bad cyclists who put themselves and others in danger by jumping red lights, undertaking HGVs etc. but this does not absolve motorists of responsibility. Obeying traffic laws and using the road safely is the responsibility of all road users
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists[/p][/quote]I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.[/p][/quote]Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?[/p][/quote]122 Cyclists were killed on the roads in 2012 an increase of 10 % on 2011. The increase is thought to be due to more people cycling due tto government policies to encourage cycling. What proportion were 'responsible for their own demise' is not available in the figures but the highest risk group per km cycled were 10 to 15 year olds. There are bad cyclists who put themselves and others in danger by jumping red lights, undertaking HGVs etc. but this does not absolve motorists of responsibility. Obeying traffic laws and using the road safely is the responsibility of all road users gheese77
  • Score: 14

12:56pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Andy R says...

Skidrow wrote:
Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter.
Jeez......what a shame you didn't re-read that comment and think a bit before clicking "Post comment".

Quite unbelievable.
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Tony Magdi killed by a cyclist as you very well know Gheese, you picked me up for saying he was murdered when the killer was convicted only of manslaughter.[/p][/quote]Jeez......what a shame you didn't re-read that comment and think a bit before clicking "Post comment". Quite unbelievable. Andy R
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Kiwimike says...

Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury.

Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible.
Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury. Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible. Kiwimike
  • Score: 21

1:54pm Thu 20 Mar 14

WhiteTiger1699 says...

Typical police!

Driven by the silly Green lobby, they place massive over emphasis on making things comfy for cyclists, whilst completely failing in their duty to protect the public (inc. pedestrians and motorists) from dangerous, aggressive, nasty cyclists- let's be honest, that description covers 99.9% of them!

Cyclists- stop playing the victim, start acting responsibility...if you have the intelligence!
Typical police! Driven by the silly Green lobby, they place massive over emphasis on making things comfy for cyclists, whilst completely failing in their duty to protect the public (inc. pedestrians and motorists) from dangerous, aggressive, nasty cyclists- let's be honest, that description covers 99.9% of them! Cyclists- stop playing the victim, start acting responsibility...if you have the intelligence! WhiteTiger1699
  • Score: -23

6:37pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Stevo98 says...

There are some very ignorant motorists posting here, you should really know that the Highway Code guidance is that cyclists travelling more than 15mph should use the road. This is because cycle lanes are for children learning or cyclists who want to go slowly. Those drivers who are saying "The cyclist should be on the cycle lane" are demonstrating their poor driving knowledge. You should consider refresher training.

Cycle lanes per mile travelled are more dangerous than the road. The cyclist was doing nothing wrong and it's depressing there are so many ignorant drivers posting here.

In most vehicle/cyclist collision it is the driver who is at fault, the comments above blaming cyclists for their own deaths are disgusting.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile.

The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.)

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing.

The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him.

The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned.

Keep your ill-informed garbage to yourself.
There are some very ignorant motorists posting here, you should really know that the Highway Code guidance is that cyclists travelling more than 15mph should use the road. This is because cycle lanes are for children learning or cyclists who want to go slowly. Those drivers who are saying "The cyclist should be on the cycle lane" are demonstrating their poor driving knowledge. You should consider refresher training. Cycle lanes per mile travelled are more dangerous than the road. The cyclist was doing nothing wrong and it's depressing there are so many ignorant drivers posting here. In most vehicle/cyclist collision it is the driver who is at fault, the comments above blaming cyclists for their own deaths are disgusting. The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile. The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.) The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path. The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing. The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind. The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him. The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned. Keep your ill-informed garbage to yourself. Stevo98
  • Score: 23

6:41pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Stevo98 says...

This guy pulled into the green cyclist box on the approach to Pevensey Bay indicating that he was turning left so I gestured as if to say what are you doing this is a cyclist / motorcycle box to protect us from what you're about to do.

He wound down the window and spat some abuse and then sped off turning left towards Beachlands. I gave him a cheeky wave (not anything more) and cycled on towards Eastbourne forgetting about the matter.

He later passed me very close and drove down to Martello Road where he waited for me. I noticed that my go-pro was dead and this is when I got my phone out as I could see what was going to happen. There is no preceding footage as my go-pro battery had died.

I took the video on my phone as I thought it would deter the driver from over reacting. With a bike between my legs and one of my feet still cleated into the pedals, what more could you expect me to do?"
This guy pulled into the green cyclist box on the approach to Pevensey Bay indicating that he was turning left so I gestured as if to say what are you doing this is a cyclist / motorcycle box to protect us from what you're about to do. He wound down the window and spat some abuse and then sped off turning left towards Beachlands. I gave him a cheeky wave (not anything more) and cycled on towards Eastbourne forgetting about the matter. He later passed me very close and drove down to Martello Road where he waited for me. I noticed that my go-pro was dead and this is when I got my phone out as I could see what was going to happen. There is no preceding footage as my go-pro battery had died. I took the video on my phone as I thought it would deter the driver from over reacting. With a bike between my legs and one of my feet still cleated into the pedals, what more could you expect me to do?" Stevo98
  • Score: 11

6:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

downfader says...

gheese77 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.
No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists
Whatever!

The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism.

So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera.

Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists
I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.
Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?
122 Cyclists were killed on the roads in 2012 an increase of 10 % on 2011. The increase is thought to be due to more people cycling due tto government policies to encourage cycling. What proportion were 'responsible for their own demise' is not available in the figures but the highest risk group per km cycled were 10 to 15 year olds. There are bad cyclists who put themselves and others in danger by jumping red lights, undertaking HGVs etc. but this does not absolve motorists of responsibility. Obeying traffic laws and using the road safely is the responsibility of all road users
Of the 122 killed the DFT data acquired from Stats 19 data and inquests/trials show that only about 30 were acting irresponsibly. This doesnt necessarily mean they broke the law, either - as around 6% of all KSIs are down to riders being unlit, running a red or being on a pavement. IIRC that was reported in the TRL1049 report, though I might remember the report document slightly wrong (its been about 8 years since I read it)

People need to stop defending this drivers deplorable and dangerous behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: There is two sides to this story I think the cyclist provoked the driver.Cyclists are a major safety risk in B&H they seem to ignore the rules of the road just the other day crossing the road at the end of George street with the lights on red two cyclists ignored the red light putting people crossing in danger.The cyclist in this case provoked the situation,im sure the police have better things to do.[/p][/quote]No as far as the police are concerned there is only 1 side to the story. There is clear evidence of assault and use of abusive language by the car driver - there is no evidence of any wrong doing by the cyclist, if there was I am sure the police would investigate hime too. Thankfully the police (an hopefully the judge/magistrate) do not share your obviously prejudiced opinions about cyclists[/p][/quote]Whatever! The cyclist and the Argus have forced the Police into making it look like they're doing something about the incident to avoid any criticism. So a smartar$e cyclist provokes a deranged moron motorist into a rage? The only reason this instance is different to any of the other countless similar incidents is that it was caught on camera. Thankfully only a minority share your obviously prejudiced opinions about motorists[/p][/quote]I said nothing about motorists in my comment (I am one). The simple fact is bad drivers are much more dangerous than bad cyclists. There were over 1700 deaths on our roads last year, I think you would struggle to find one someone was killed by a cyclist.[/p][/quote]Of those 1700 how many were Cyclists and how many of those Cyclists were responsible for there own demise?[/p][/quote]122 Cyclists were killed on the roads in 2012 an increase of 10 % on 2011. The increase is thought to be due to more people cycling due tto government policies to encourage cycling. What proportion were 'responsible for their own demise' is not available in the figures but the highest risk group per km cycled were 10 to 15 year olds. There are bad cyclists who put themselves and others in danger by jumping red lights, undertaking HGVs etc. but this does not absolve motorists of responsibility. Obeying traffic laws and using the road safely is the responsibility of all road users[/p][/quote]Of the 122 killed the DFT data acquired from Stats 19 data and inquests/trials show that only about 30 were acting irresponsibly. This doesnt necessarily mean they broke the law, either - as around 6% of all KSIs are down to riders being unlit, running a red or being on a pavement. IIRC that was reported in the TRL1049 report, though I might remember the report document slightly wrong (its been about 8 years since I read it) People need to stop defending this drivers deplorable and dangerous behaviour. downfader
  • Score: 14

7:50pm Thu 20 Mar 14

hubby says...

Usually when a cycle and a car/bus/lorry come into contact with one another the cyclist is the one who gets hurt.
Whoevers fault it is.
Usually when a cycle and a car/bus/lorry come into contact with one another the cyclist is the one who gets hurt. Whoevers fault it is. hubby
  • Score: 7

10:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Brightonian1966 says...

Kiwimike wrote:
Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury.

Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible.
Ridiculous arguement .Weak and feeble a lot like your mind I imagine.
[quote][p][bold]Kiwimike[/bold] wrote: Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury. Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous arguement .Weak and feeble a lot like your mind I imagine. Brightonian1966
  • Score: -17

1:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

Nearly got squished by a driver yesterday who overtook to close only to go into a close and then reverse out at speed while still chatting on the phone could see said phone clutched on her shoulder.
But of course its my fault for cycling.
Nearly got squished by a driver yesterday who overtook to close only to go into a close and then reverse out at speed while still chatting on the phone could see said phone clutched on her shoulder. But of course its my fault for cycling. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Brightonian1966 says...

Brightonian1966 wrote:
Kiwimike wrote:
Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury.

Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible.
Ridiculous arguement .Weak and feeble a lot like your mind I imagine.
You are the bully.Anyone , who doesn't agree with you .
Is subject to abuse.The cyclist is quite wrong.
And that ,my feeble minded friend is that.
I will look forward to the torrent of abuse.As I have dared to disagree
With you.
I'll be cowering in the corner, just the way you like it.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonian1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kiwimike[/bold] wrote: Jesus wept I am amazed that anyone could watch that and then side with the motorist. He is clearly a bully and a thug with massive anger management issues and a huge ego to boot - probably a man with a criminal past. He should have his licence removed for life and spend a long time inside. Just stop and think how you'd like him to confront any of your friends, relatives or colleagues on public roads, regardless of gestures made or perceived infractions. People like him can and do deliberately kill cyclists every year through close 'punishment passes' that then go horribly wrong. Only one side of this 'argument' ever dies or suffers horrific life-changing injury. Those of you blaming the cyclist in this video, I bet you also blame rape victims for wearing short skirts/having too much to drink, or battered wives for being 'a bit lippy'. Reprehensible.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous arguement .Weak and feeble a lot like your mind I imagine.[/p][/quote]You are the bully.Anyone , who doesn't agree with you . Is subject to abuse.The cyclist is quite wrong. And that ,my feeble minded friend is that. I will look forward to the torrent of abuse.As I have dared to disagree With you. I'll be cowering in the corner, just the way you like it. Brightonian1966
  • Score: -2

4:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

flapper48 says...

more films from Eddie. Eddie using a cycle lane.Eddie stops at a red light. and the unforgettable Eddie performs a D I Y endoscopy using his head cam and a little saddle sore cream
more films from Eddie. Eddie using a cycle lane.Eddie stops at a red light. and the unforgettable Eddie performs a D I Y endoscopy using his head cam and a little saddle sore cream flapper48
  • Score: -2

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