The ArgusBrighton and Hove bouncers fear they will be first victims of nightclub levy (From The Argus)

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Brighton and Hove bouncers fear they will be first victims of nightclub levy

The Argus: The levy is being proposed to help pay for policing of drunken antics The levy is being proposed to help pay for policing of drunken antics

Bouncers fear becoming the victims of a planned late-night levy on Brighton and Hove bars and clubs.

Club and pub security guards say the introduction of the proposed annual charges to venues would be passed down in pay cuts to them.

But one long-serving doorman of more than 20 years said the move would be another nail in the coffin in an industry he claims has seen wages drop by two-thirds.

He claimed that doormen in the city were now earning around £8 an hour, more than half the £25 an hour he received in 1993 and considerably less than his counterparts in London and elsewhere in the north.

The bouncer, who asked not to be named, said: “Every time the venues need to make cutbacks, the first to suffer is the doormen. They are not going to put the entry price up, they are not going to put the price of drinks up.

“For some reason in one of the biggest clubbing cities in the country, wages are getting worse.

“For most of us it is a profession and we have put our lives into it but more and more people are leaving because they can’t afford to work for £8 an hour.

“There was a time when Brighton was much worse and we were on the frontline and we cleaned it up with our own sweat and blood, lots of blood.”

Brighton and Hove City Council announced last month they had put on hold plans for the levy – which could raise up to £4 million.

Further reviews of a scheme being run in Newcastle have been carried out ahead of any decision.

Doormen are now expected to shell out up to £250 to renew their Security Industry Authority licences and up to £300 per year on public liability insurance.

The doorman told The Argus the industry was now split between experienced doormen and so-called “jacket-fillers” who were inexperienced and would “run at the first sign of trouble”.

He said: “The biggest problem with the Olympics was that G4S were giving out badges to everyone because they needed the security.

“Now the city is filled with jacket fillers and students who have the licence and are prepared to work for £8 an hour.”

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7:31am Thu 20 Mar 14

alyn, southwick says...

care workers only get £7.60, sometimes considerably less.
care workers only get £7.60, sometimes considerably less. alyn, southwick
  • Score: 15

8:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

BeeJam says...

alyn, southwick wrote:
care workers only get £7.60, sometimes considerably less.
And that is an obscenely low wage, just because someone deserving doesn't get much, it does not mean everyone else should get nothing either......
[quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: care workers only get £7.60, sometimes considerably less.[/p][/quote]And that is an obscenely low wage, just because someone deserving doesn't get much, it does not mean everyone else should get nothing either...... BeeJam
  • Score: 15

9:36am Thu 20 Mar 14

hey mongo says...

Bouncers should get there mates to cause a bit of aggro in these bars then there pay will soon go back up..
Bouncers should get there mates to cause a bit of aggro in these bars then there pay will soon go back up.. hey mongo
  • Score: 4

10:39am Thu 20 Mar 14

Dan Gleballs says...

Even though most bouncers are T0553RS, getting paid £8 an hour is ridiculous low!!!.

Unsociable hours and the chance of being attacked!! should be double that!
Even though most bouncers are T0553RS, getting paid £8 an hour is ridiculous low!!!. Unsociable hours and the chance of being attacked!! should be double that! Dan Gleballs
  • Score: 17

11:03am Thu 20 Mar 14

Dan Gleballs says...

from beer to uncertainty

Haha, I gave you a thumbs up even though i'm from Portslade!!
from beer to uncertainty Haha, I gave you a thumbs up even though i'm from Portslade!! Dan Gleballs
  • Score: 10

11:21am Thu 20 Mar 14

mtmoocher says...

"He claimed that doormen in the city were now earning around £8 an hour, more than half the £25 an hour he received in 1993 and considerably less than his counterparts in London and elsewhere in the north."
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Given his maths abilities, it's a wonder he's not an Argus reporter!
"He claimed that doormen in the city were now earning around £8 an hour, more than half the £25 an hour he received in 1993 and considerably less than his counterparts in London and elsewhere in the north." . Given his maths abilities, it's a wonder he's not an Argus reporter! mtmoocher
  • Score: -5

11:43am Thu 20 Mar 14

Metro Reader says...

1st, He said: “The biggest problem with the Olympics was that G4S were giving out badges to everyone because they needed the security. - this is not quite correct, all door staff have to be SIS vetted, which is not done by G4S.

2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen.

I am sure it is a breach of a drinks licence to serve someone who is clearly drunk, or someone that the bar person suspects to be drunk, yet I have never seen anyone refused or heared of any drinks licence revoked.

Perhaps if bars and clubs cleaned up their act than some of the problem would go away? tempory closure orders for 24 or 48 hours over a weekend would soon make the bars and clubs follow the legal rules.

Not sure if a levey is the right way around this, the powers to close bars are in place so they should be used.
1st, He said: “The biggest problem with the Olympics was that G4S were giving out badges to everyone because they needed the security. - this is not quite correct, all door staff have to be SIS vetted, which is not done by G4S. 2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen. I am sure it is a breach of a drinks licence to serve someone who is clearly drunk, or someone that the bar person suspects to be drunk, yet I have never seen anyone refused or heared of any drinks licence revoked. Perhaps if bars and clubs cleaned up their act than some of the problem would go away? tempory closure orders for 24 or 48 hours over a weekend would soon make the bars and clubs follow the legal rules. Not sure if a levey is the right way around this, the powers to close bars are in place so they should be used. Metro Reader
  • Score: 3

11:44am Thu 20 Mar 14

Metro Reader says...

Metro Reader wrote:
1st, He said: “The biggest problem with the Olympics was that G4S were giving out badges to everyone because they needed the security. - this is not quite correct, all door staff have to be SIS vetted, which is not done by G4S. 2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen. I am sure it is a breach of a drinks licence to serve someone who is clearly drunk, or someone that the bar person suspects to be drunk, yet I have never seen anyone refused or heared of any drinks licence revoked. Perhaps if bars and clubs cleaned up their act than some of the problem would go away? tempory closure orders for 24 or 48 hours over a weekend would soon make the bars and clubs follow the legal rules. Not sure if a levey is the right way around this, the powers to close bars are in place so they should be used.
clealry I my keyboard cant spell today!

... so called problem would NOT happen....
[quote][p][bold]Metro Reader[/bold] wrote: 1st, He said: “The biggest problem with the Olympics was that G4S were giving out badges to everyone because they needed the security. - this is not quite correct, all door staff have to be SIS vetted, which is not done by G4S. 2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen. I am sure it is a breach of a drinks licence to serve someone who is clearly drunk, or someone that the bar person suspects to be drunk, yet I have never seen anyone refused or heared of any drinks licence revoked. Perhaps if bars and clubs cleaned up their act than some of the problem would go away? tempory closure orders for 24 or 48 hours over a weekend would soon make the bars and clubs follow the legal rules. Not sure if a levey is the right way around this, the powers to close bars are in place so they should be used.[/p][/quote]clealry I my keyboard cant spell today! ... so called problem would NOT happen.... Metro Reader
  • Score: -1

11:53am Thu 20 Mar 14

Dan Gleballs says...

"2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen."

hmm not sure, you tell dozens of drunks in a club that were not serving you any more and there will be even more trouble!!!
"2nd, and more importantly, if bars and clubs did not serve people who are clearly drunk then this so called problem would be happen." hmm not sure, you tell dozens of drunks in a club that were not serving you any more and there will be even more trouble!!! Dan Gleballs
  • Score: 5

2:01pm Thu 20 Mar 14

julesgemini says...

Does the council not realise that people will stop going to clubs if they dont feel safe? Do they not realise people will stop going if prices go up? Brighton makes money from tourists and entertainments! Bouncers do a great job without bouncers the police will be called to incidents that normally would be delt in house! Costing the tax payer!
Does the council not realise that people will stop going to clubs if they dont feel safe? Do they not realise people will stop going if prices go up? Brighton makes money from tourists and entertainments! Bouncers do a great job without bouncers the police will be called to incidents that normally would be delt in house! Costing the tax payer! julesgemini
  • Score: -2

6:18pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

£8 lol that's only a quid or so above minimum wage. No wonder they're such grumpy tw@ts.
£8 lol that's only a quid or so above minimum wage. No wonder they're such grumpy tw@ts. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

kiwi steve says...

There are security companies paying as low as minimum wage now, due to the Govt having the DSS hand out free security 'training' courses and in some areas paying for the licence as well,for people who are 'forced' to undertake the course or have their payments suspended etc they then go on to force them to attend interviews for door work, and just to top it off, unscrupulous people start a company just to take advantage of these folk, by offering minimum wage or close to it, they are then able to undercut companies who have decent door staff and venues will give them the contract as at the end of the day they see it as a good option to save on budget, however, when things kick off, these people are not experienced enough or of the right material to be able to handle the situation with minimum force and or quickly, resulting in more injuries to innocent bystanders etc. The Govt needs to stop providing security courses for unsuitable people and bring in a new minimum wage for door staff..not sure that is the answer, but it is the best I can think of. Paying £150 for a course, £270 for a licence (every 3 years) having to pay up to £150 for 'upskilling' courses from time to time, learning all of the laws involved in this industry, learning duty of care, vulnerable persons care, physical intervention etc etc etc and working until (some doormen) 6am having to deal in one shift with possibly many fights, disgruntled drunks, being puked and bled on, possibly injured etc and to top it off knowing that it could all go 'titsup' at any moment the entire shift..for £8 an hour? Think about it, most toilet attendance make more. (and you wonder why some door supervisors don't look happy lol )
There are security companies paying as low as minimum wage now, due to the Govt having the DSS hand out free security 'training' courses and in some areas paying for the licence as well,for people who are 'forced' to undertake the course or have their payments suspended etc they then go on to force them to attend interviews for door work, and just to top it off, unscrupulous people start a company just to take advantage of these folk, by offering minimum wage or close to it, they are then able to undercut companies who have decent door staff and venues will give them the contract as at the end of the day they see it as a good option to save on budget, however, when things kick off, these people are not experienced enough or of the right material to be able to handle the situation with minimum force and or quickly, resulting in more injuries to innocent bystanders etc. The Govt needs to stop providing security courses for unsuitable people and bring in a new minimum wage for door staff..not sure that is the answer, but it is the best I can think of. Paying £150 for a course, £270 for a licence (every 3 years) having to pay up to £150 for 'upskilling' courses from time to time, learning all of the laws involved in this industry, learning duty of care, vulnerable persons care, physical intervention etc etc etc and working until (some doormen) 6am having to deal in one shift with possibly many fights, disgruntled drunks, being puked and bled on, possibly injured etc and to top it off knowing that it could all go 'titsup' at any moment the entire shift..for £8 an hour? Think about it, most toilet attendance make more. (and you wonder why some door supervisors don't look happy lol ) kiwi steve
  • Score: 3

10:01pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Dave At Home says...

They must all have second jobs to be able to accept £8 an hour, maybe they should look for a better paid job and forget getting involved in rucks every other night.... bouncers ha ha steroid pumping weiners. No bouncers or door staff on any of the clubs we go to and no trouble there either. He who seeks usually finds.
They must all have second jobs to be able to accept £8 an hour, maybe they should look for a better paid job and forget getting involved in rucks every other night.... bouncers ha ha steroid pumping weiners. No bouncers or door staff on any of the clubs we go to and no trouble there either. He who seeks usually finds. Dave At Home
  • Score: -2

6:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

pumpkineater23 says...

They receive extra payment in the form of an ego boost. I expect some of them would work for nothing as they clearly get a massive kick out of swaggering around and generally being bullies, which is what so many of them are.
They receive extra payment in the form of an ego boost. I expect some of them would work for nothing as they clearly get a massive kick out of swaggering around and generally being bullies, which is what so many of them are. pumpkineater23
  • Score: 3

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