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Calls for Brighton's St James's Street to be pedestrianised or it will 'wither and die'

The Argus: St James's Street during Pride 2013 St James's Street during Pride 2013

St James's Street traders are calling on the council to pedestrianise the busy Brighton street in the heart of the city's gay district. 

Business owners have given their backing to a trial of barring traffic from St James’s Street in Brighton to try to give it a resurgence.

They say without a change the colourful road at the centre of the city’s unofficial gay village would “wither and die”.

Brighton Kemptown MP Simon Kirby has called on Brighton and Hove City Council to trial the changes between Easter and the last bank holiday in May to see if the scheme could work.

Mr Kirby said a recent survey of hundreds of residents and businesses showed a 70% approval rate for the suggestion.

Sharon Barr, owner of The Zone Bar in the street, said the proposals were the best news she had heard in seven years.

She said businesses would embrace the increased space outside their shops with flower pots, hanging baskets and tables to revive a “cafe society”.

She added: “At the moment the street is such a mess with scaffolding all over the place, people having to walk into the road while buses and lorries fly past.

“It is a miracle no one has been killed.

“With the changes to Edward Street and the renovation of the old market there is a danger that St James’s Street might become the forgotten space.”

But bus bosses said the move would “impact massively” on their service and any changes would take a lot of careful planning, which they believe could not be carried out before Easter.

Martin Harris, managing director of the Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said: “We are always willing to look at ideas but if anything can be done it is not going to be a quick fix, it will take a lot of careful planning.

“We have to put the interests of our customers first and thousands of our customers catch a bus from St James’s Street each year.”

Mr Kirby said: “Whilst issues such as access for residents and the routing of bus services would need to be considered, I believe pedestrianisation could offer many benefits to residents, businesses and visitors alike.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said: “Lots of people depend on that street as a bus route so there are likely to be issues about where the buses would go.

“It would be important to hear from everyone, including the bus company and its passengers.

“So pedestrianisation there is not part of the local transport plans at present but we’re always open to views on the matter.”

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5:18am Mon 24 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues. mimseycal
  • Score: 38

7:22am Mon 24 Mar 14

medianscore says...

"Calls for Brighton street to be pedestrianised or it will 'wither and die'"

St James's Street 'withered and died' 25 years ago.
"Calls for Brighton street to be pedestrianised or it will 'wither and die'" St James's Street 'withered and died' 25 years ago. medianscore
  • Score: 43

7:29am Mon 24 Mar 14

Boloney-marshal says...

What about the roads that are connected to St James's Street and the people who live on them? As long as we have more flower pots, hanging baskets and tables to revive a “café society” that's fine then. At least a few business owners will benefit and will be earning a few bob more but still paying minimum wage to their staff, even with the increased profits.
What about the roads that are connected to St James's Street and the people who live on them? As long as we have more flower pots, hanging baskets and tables to revive a “café society” that's fine then. At least a few business owners will benefit and will be earning a few bob more but still paying minimum wage to their staff, even with the increased profits. Boloney-marshal
  • Score: 35

7:34am Mon 24 Mar 14

Greyrun says...

mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed. Greyrun
  • Score: 14

7:44am Mon 24 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Greyrun wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed.
I can only speak from personal experience. Simon Kirby is a procrastinator and a self serving die-hard conservative with no care but for his own furtherance in the party.
[quote][p][bold]Greyrun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed.[/p][/quote]I can only speak from personal experience. Simon Kirby is a procrastinator and a self serving die-hard conservative with no care but for his own furtherance in the party. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

7:48am Mon 24 Mar 14

hoveguyactually says...

"Pedestrianised" like New Road, where pedestrians have to keep moving aside, to allow for vehicles and cyclists to go through? This was the biggest expensive "con" perpetrated on local residents and ratepayers.
"Pedestrianised" like New Road, where pedestrians have to keep moving aside, to allow for vehicles and cyclists to go through? This was the biggest expensive "con" perpetrated on local residents and ratepayers. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 28

8:11am Mon 24 Mar 14

BURIRAM says...

Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance BURIRAM
  • Score: 60

8:14am Mon 24 Mar 14

Can this be says...

New Road has not been pedestrianised, it has been turned into a "shared space", which is a different concept. St James's Street is certainly an important bus route at present which in itself brings potential customers into it and although the roadway is very narrow presumably delivery vehicles use it and would not have an alternative. Therefore, it would have to be pedestrianised for certain hours of the day like George Street - the one in Hove. I am not sure that suits the café culture etc. We are very short of space to fit everything into this town.
New Road has not been pedestrianised, it has been turned into a "shared space", which is a different concept. St James's Street is certainly an important bus route at present which in itself brings potential customers into it and although the roadway is very narrow presumably delivery vehicles use it and would not have an alternative. Therefore, it would have to be pedestrianised for certain hours of the day like George Street - the one in Hove. I am not sure that suits the café culture etc. We are very short of space to fit everything into this town. Can this be
  • Score: 25

9:32am Mon 24 Mar 14

Hove Actually says...

Two things, Harris is wrong if a bus broke down today there is already a planned alternative and with all the new bus lanes only yards from this road it would be easy to ban buses from this narrow through route.

If you pedestrianized it how would that work with all the roads that lead on or off it as all are even smaller with no room to turn round
Two things, Harris is wrong if a bus broke down today there is already a planned alternative and with all the new bus lanes only yards from this road it would be easy to ban buses from this narrow through route. If you pedestrianized it how would that work with all the roads that lead on or off it as all are even smaller with no room to turn round Hove Actually
  • Score: 22

9:34am Mon 24 Mar 14

Morpheus says...

mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails. Morpheus
  • Score: 15

9:38am Mon 24 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Morpheus wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.
Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.[/p][/quote]Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

9:43am Mon 24 Mar 14

FC says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Yes, this comment sums it up.

St James's Street is dying because of the scum, not because of anything else. Sussex Grill, for a starter, has the lowest low-life druggies sat outside it all day every day. Poison Ivy is a dirty hive for gay criminals. The kebab shops don't give a crap and seem to find it a good idea to throw their rubbish in the street... If you want an area to be nice, you have to do it up and price out the riff raff.

I expect this comment will enrage a few do-gooders who feel everyone should be able to afford to be in every area of every town, but that's when you get the pockets of run down area and also why the higher the rent, the nicer the area.
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Yes, this comment sums it up. St James's Street is dying because of the scum, not because of anything else. Sussex Grill, for a starter, has the lowest low-life druggies sat outside it all day every day. Poison Ivy is a dirty hive for gay criminals. The kebab shops don't give a crap and seem to find it a good idea to throw their rubbish in the street... If you want an area to be nice, you have to do it up and price out the riff raff. I expect this comment will enrage a few do-gooders who feel everyone should be able to afford to be in every area of every town, but that's when you get the pockets of run down area and also why the higher the rent, the nicer the area. FC
  • Score: 37

9:59am Mon 24 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

mimseycal wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.
Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.
i hate to say simon kirby is a great local MP ,but i could never vote for him ,due to the party he is a member of .
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.[/p][/quote]Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.[/p][/quote]i hate to say simon kirby is a great local MP ,but i could never vote for him ,due to the party he is a member of . whatevernext2013
  • Score: 11

10:09am Mon 24 Mar 14

pithound says...

There is no point in causing unnecessary disruption with a traffic-free trial. You cannot polish a turd.
There is no point in causing unnecessary disruption with a traffic-free trial. You cannot polish a turd. pithound
  • Score: 14

10:37am Mon 24 Mar 14

LargeAndInCharge says...

mimseycal wrote:
Greyrun wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed.
I can only speak from personal experience. Simon Kirby is a procrastinator and a self serving die-hard conservative with no care but for his own furtherance in the party.
Isn't that what ALL politicians are like?!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greyrun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot works hard on local issues,a friend who is a labour voter speaks highly of him when she has contacted him on matters of concern sending emails to keep her informed.[/p][/quote]I can only speak from personal experience. Simon Kirby is a procrastinator and a self serving die-hard conservative with no care but for his own furtherance in the party.[/p][/quote]Isn't that what ALL politicians are like?! LargeAndInCharge
  • Score: 7

10:38am Mon 24 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
Yes and probably just before the election funding will be granted for a new hospital.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]Yes and probably just before the election funding will be granted for a new hospital. clubrob6
  • Score: 5

10:39am Mon 24 Mar 14

twonk says...

It wouldn't work. There are too many roads leading off it. You'd have cars reversing out onto Marine Parade as they'd have nowhere to turn.None of the shops have rear entrances so where would they get their stock from, and don't say they could get deliveries outside shopping hours as the shopkeepers wouldn't be there.
Take a look what a pedestrian shopping area did for Newhaven.
It wouldn't work. There are too many roads leading off it. You'd have cars reversing out onto Marine Parade as they'd have nowhere to turn.None of the shops have rear entrances so where would they get their stock from, and don't say they could get deliveries outside shopping hours as the shopkeepers wouldn't be there. Take a look what a pedestrian shopping area did for Newhaven. twonk
  • Score: 20

10:42am Mon 24 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods.
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

10:47am Mon 24 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

Can this be wrote:
New Road has not been pedestrianised, it has been turned into a "shared space", which is a different concept. St James's Street is certainly an important bus route at present which in itself brings potential customers into it and although the roadway is very narrow presumably delivery vehicles use it and would not have an alternative. Therefore, it would have to be pedestrianised for certain hours of the day like George Street - the one in Hove. I am not sure that suits the café culture etc. We are very short of space to fit everything into this town.
It has not worked on George street,most shops are now charity shops as business has gone bust or pulled out.
[quote][p][bold]Can this be[/bold] wrote: New Road has not been pedestrianised, it has been turned into a "shared space", which is a different concept. St James's Street is certainly an important bus route at present which in itself brings potential customers into it and although the roadway is very narrow presumably delivery vehicles use it and would not have an alternative. Therefore, it would have to be pedestrianised for certain hours of the day like George Street - the one in Hove. I am not sure that suits the café culture etc. We are very short of space to fit everything into this town.[/p][/quote]It has not worked on George street,most shops are now charity shops as business has gone bust or pulled out. clubrob6
  • Score: 24

10:53am Mon 24 Mar 14

john newman says...

I can remember when it was thriving with 2 way traffic going up and down it!! It really was buzzing then with good brand names as well. Maybe you need more tweo way traffic!! not pedestrians.
I can remember when it was thriving with 2 way traffic going up and down it!! It really was buzzing then with good brand names as well. Maybe you need more tweo way traffic!! not pedestrians. john newman
  • Score: 20

10:57am Mon 24 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

FC wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Yes, this comment sums it up.

St James's Street is dying because of the scum, not because of anything else. Sussex Grill, for a starter, has the lowest low-life druggies sat outside it all day every day. Poison Ivy is a dirty hive for gay criminals. The kebab shops don't give a crap and seem to find it a good idea to throw their rubbish in the street... If you want an area to be nice, you have to do it up and price out the riff raff.

I expect this comment will enrage a few do-gooders who feel everyone should be able to afford to be in every area of every town, but that's when you get the pockets of run down area and also why the higher the rent, the nicer the area.
Poison ivy gay criminals? I wonder where you got that impression from have you been barred and got a grudge?then tried to get a kabab but they refused to serve you?.I certainly have not seen any proof of what you say.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Yes, this comment sums it up. St James's Street is dying because of the scum, not because of anything else. Sussex Grill, for a starter, has the lowest low-life druggies sat outside it all day every day. Poison Ivy is a dirty hive for gay criminals. The kebab shops don't give a crap and seem to find it a good idea to throw their rubbish in the street... If you want an area to be nice, you have to do it up and price out the riff raff. I expect this comment will enrage a few do-gooders who feel everyone should be able to afford to be in every area of every town, but that's when you get the pockets of run down area and also why the higher the rent, the nicer the area.[/p][/quote]Poison ivy gay criminals? I wonder where you got that impression from have you been barred and got a grudge?then tried to get a kabab but they refused to serve you?.I certainly have not seen any proof of what you say. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

11:17am Mon 24 Mar 14

chemicaljax says...

So, hopefully if it is pedestrianised, that will mean bicycles are also banned?
So, hopefully if it is pedestrianised, that will mean bicycles are also banned? chemicaljax
  • Score: 17

11:19am Mon 24 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

chemicaljax wrote:
So, hopefully if it is pedestrianised, that will mean bicycles are also banned?
One would have assumed so but no one seems that concerned about keeping cycles off the pavement so why would they keep them off a pedestrianised space.
[quote][p][bold]chemicaljax[/bold] wrote: So, hopefully if it is pedestrianised, that will mean bicycles are also banned?[/p][/quote]One would have assumed so but no one seems that concerned about keeping cycles off the pavement so why would they keep them off a pedestrianised space. mimseycal
  • Score: 15

11:46am Mon 24 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Are you talking about St James's Street or Brighton and Hove City Council?
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Are you talking about St James's Street or Brighton and Hove City Council? Quiterie
  • Score: 19

11:47am Mon 24 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods.
there is more to saint james s street than pride or should all non gays be banned from the street and should pride be banned from the rest of the city ?
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods.[/p][/quote]there is more to saint james s street than pride or should all non gays be banned from the street and should pride be banned from the rest of the city ? whatevernext2013
  • Score: 10

11:47am Mon 24 Mar 14

Martha Gunn says...

PICKLED EGGS!

Foillowing the Beer and Bingo Budget from Mr. Kirby's party I wonder if he will join my campaign to exempt pickled eggs from VAT.

As a former publican I'm sure he knows the devastating effect of VAT on the sale of pickled eggs in public houses. Once a staple of a good night out they have been driven from the shelves by this wicked taxation. Formerly a bedrock of the leisure economy today they rarely see the light of day. Why has Mr. Osborne not seen that increasing sales of pickled eggs could be the secret to rebooting the economy?

Somehow I get the feeling that Mr. Kirby and pickled eggs are made for each other - it's his sort of campaign.
PICKLED EGGS! Foillowing the Beer and Bingo Budget from Mr. Kirby's party I wonder if he will join my campaign to exempt pickled eggs from VAT. As a former publican I'm sure he knows the devastating effect of VAT on the sale of pickled eggs in public houses. Once a staple of a good night out they have been driven from the shelves by this wicked taxation. Formerly a bedrock of the leisure economy today they rarely see the light of day. Why has Mr. Osborne not seen that increasing sales of pickled eggs could be the secret to rebooting the economy? Somehow I get the feeling that Mr. Kirby and pickled eggs are made for each other - it's his sort of campaign. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 8

11:48am Mon 24 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

clubrob6 wrote:
BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods.
Why should ANYONE be forced into paying for a street party for one of the vocal minorities.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]Also remove the large super markets who every year refuse to pay towards the pride street party but carry on selling bottled goods.[/p][/quote]Why should ANYONE be forced into paying for a street party for one of the vocal minorities. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 19

11:52am Mon 24 Mar 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Apart from the problems of access for residents living on streets leading off St. James Street and for delivery vehicles I might have been slightly in favour of this scheme if it were not for the new bus lane on Edward Street which will, as every other bus lane has done, clog up the area. Forcing St. James Street traffic onto Edward Street will only foul up the system even more.
Apart from the problems of access for residents living on streets leading off St. James Street and for delivery vehicles I might have been slightly in favour of this scheme if it were not for the new bus lane on Edward Street which will, as every other bus lane has done, clog up the area. Forcing St. James Street traffic onto Edward Street will only foul up the system even more. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 9

11:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

BURIRAM wrote:
Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance
if you take a wander up or down the street ,the drunks are only part of the problem ,what about the beggars the homeless who sleep in the door ways ,the poor upkeep of shopfronts ,the whole city is run down/falling apart most if not all the shopping areas are filthy and run down ,its not just saint james street that needs sorting out
[quote][p][bold]BURIRAM[/bold] wrote: Remove the drunks and it might stand a chance[/p][/quote]if you take a wander up or down the street ,the drunks are only part of the problem ,what about the beggars the homeless who sleep in the door ways ,the poor upkeep of shopfronts ,the whole city is run down/falling apart most if not all the shopping areas are filthy and run down ,its not just saint james street that needs sorting out whatevernext2013
  • Score: 28

11:55am Mon 24 Mar 14

SeaSalt says...

I don't think re-routing the buses would be a problem - you have the seafront Edward Street and Upper Rock to work with. The bus company has been lobbied to look into doing so for years, so it's not an issue that's been sprung on them. There's too much pollution in St James, it's narrow with high-buildings either side - re-routing the buses would help.
I'm very much in favour of the pedestrianised / shared-space idea to revitalise the area but it would be the lack of turning spaces for access to the side streets that would be the real problem.
I don't think re-routing the buses would be a problem - you have the seafront Edward Street and Upper Rock to work with. The bus company has been lobbied to look into doing so for years, so it's not an issue that's been sprung on them. There's too much pollution in St James, it's narrow with high-buildings either side - re-routing the buses would help. I'm very much in favour of the pedestrianised / shared-space idea to revitalise the area but it would be the lack of turning spaces for access to the side streets that would be the real problem. SeaSalt
  • Score: 14

12:11pm Mon 24 Mar 14

P.Dant says...

In conclusion : Re-route the buses,the beggars,Simon Kirby,Poison Ivy gay terrorists and it`s done.Long overdue i say.
In conclusion : Re-route the buses,the beggars,Simon Kirby,Poison Ivy gay terrorists and it`s done.Long overdue i say. P.Dant
  • Score: 15

2:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Danos says...

Unless the current road works in Edward street are altered there won't be room for a bus lane in the east bound carriage way as they are widening the central island on that side. The idea of pedestrianisation in St James st. would be a good idea especially on the lower section as the buses are a nightmare pumping out pollution in such a narrow street.
Unless the current road works in Edward street are altered there won't be room for a bus lane in the east bound carriage way as they are widening the central island on that side. The idea of pedestrianisation in St James st. would be a good idea especially on the lower section as the buses are a nightmare pumping out pollution in such a narrow street. Danos
  • Score: 4

2:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Herbertfarquarson says...

Buses are the main problem in this street and the bus stop at the bottom is a magnet for anti social behaviour. It would be so easy to move the bus stop round the corner and leave more space for those waiting and run the buses round via Marine Parade. I wonder about the undue influence the bus company has when holding back beneficial changes to this city and they have been allowed to run roughshod and do as they wish, resulting in a city centre that is a nightmare for pedestrians being choc full of buses and unlike most other cities no pedestrianisation.
Buses are the main problem in this street and the bus stop at the bottom is a magnet for anti social behaviour. It would be so easy to move the bus stop round the corner and leave more space for those waiting and run the buses round via Marine Parade. I wonder about the undue influence the bus company has when holding back beneficial changes to this city and they have been allowed to run roughshod and do as they wish, resulting in a city centre that is a nightmare for pedestrians being choc full of buses and unlike most other cities no pedestrianisation. Herbertfarquarson
  • Score: 7

3:01pm Mon 24 Mar 14

SeaSalt says...

Danos wrote:
Unless the current road works in Edward street are altered there won't be room for a bus lane in the east bound carriage way as they are widening the central island on that side. The idea of pedestrianisation in St James st. would be a good idea especially on the lower section as the buses are a nightmare pumping out pollution in such a narrow street.
During the 'consultation' re the Edward Street proposals, the issue of re-routing buses from St James was raised, as it made obvious sense to tackle both issues at the same time. The cynic in me felt at the time that the Edward Street proposals were a done deal. It will be frustrating in the extreme to find their alterations to Edward St. have now scuppered any hope of improving St. James.
[quote][p][bold]Danos[/bold] wrote: Unless the current road works in Edward street are altered there won't be room for a bus lane in the east bound carriage way as they are widening the central island on that side. The idea of pedestrianisation in St James st. would be a good idea especially on the lower section as the buses are a nightmare pumping out pollution in such a narrow street.[/p][/quote]During the 'consultation' re the Edward Street proposals, the issue of re-routing buses from St James was raised, as it made obvious sense to tackle both issues at the same time. The cynic in me felt at the time that the Edward Street proposals were a done deal. It will be frustrating in the extreme to find their alterations to Edward St. have now scuppered any hope of improving St. James. SeaSalt
  • Score: 6

5:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

her professional says...

medianscore wrote:
"Calls for Brighton street to be pedestrianised or it will 'wither and die'"

St James's Street 'withered and died' 25 years ago.
Based on what criteria?
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: "Calls for Brighton street to be pedestrianised or it will 'wither and die'" St James's Street 'withered and died' 25 years ago.[/p][/quote]Based on what criteria? her professional
  • Score: -2

8:54pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Laggards, vagabonds, ne'er do wells...turn the hoses on them all!
Laggards, vagabonds, ne'er do wells...turn the hoses on them all! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 7

1:29am Tue 25 Mar 14

Brightonian63 says...

Better yet just redevelop the whole area! It has looked like a slum for years.
Better yet just redevelop the whole area! It has looked like a slum for years. Brightonian63
  • Score: 5

7:21am Tue 25 Mar 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

we seem to have forgotten that roads are for the transportation of goods and services - not 'café society' ,what ever that is.
we seem to have forgotten that roads are for the transportation of goods and services - not 'café society' ,what ever that is. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

9:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

Morpheus says...

mimseycal wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.
Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.
You could argue that the issues that attract large numbers of local support are the ones that are best for Brighton and the ones to which he should pay most attention. I doubt that issues that are specific to Brighton and nowhere else are going to attract the interest of the PM. Mr Kirby has already taken a different view to the local councillors on the i360 and that is because he listens to residents, unlike the councillors.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.[/p][/quote]Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.[/p][/quote]You could argue that the issues that attract large numbers of local support are the ones that are best for Brighton and the ones to which he should pay most attention. I doubt that issues that are specific to Brighton and nowhere else are going to attract the interest of the PM. Mr Kirby has already taken a different view to the local councillors on the i360 and that is because he listens to residents, unlike the councillors. Morpheus
  • Score: -1

9:57am Tue 25 Mar 14

Morpheus says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.
This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.
Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.
i hate to say simon kirby is a great local MP ,but i could never vote for him ,due to the party he is a member of .
You should rethink this. A great local MP makes a big difference here but he will make little difference as one out of 650 in the Commons. Would you prefer a dreadful local MP of a party you do support? In my view your approach sums up what is wrong with the country. We should look at the men and women we vote for and not the party they stand for.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief ... we must be coming up for an election year. Simon Kirby is suddenly taking notice of local issues.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Whether you support the Tory Party or not, the one thing you cannot say about Simon Kirby is that he does not take an interest in local issues. He regularly consults residents about their views by circulars, letters and emails.[/p][/quote]Only those that attract large numbers. He is not concerned with what is best for Brighton but what will put him in a good light with his party.[/p][/quote]i hate to say simon kirby is a great local MP ,but i could never vote for him ,due to the party he is a member of .[/p][/quote]You should rethink this. A great local MP makes a big difference here but he will make little difference as one out of 650 in the Commons. Would you prefer a dreadful local MP of a party you do support? In my view your approach sums up what is wrong with the country. We should look at the men and women we vote for and not the party they stand for. Morpheus
  • Score: 1

10:16am Tue 25 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

No dear, he has taken a different stance on the I360 because it is coming up election year and he is suddenly taking note of voters!
No dear, he has taken a different stance on the I360 because it is coming up election year and he is suddenly taking note of voters! mimseycal
  • Score: 3

11:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

ghost bus driver says...

Hove Actually wrote:
Two things, Harris is wrong if a bus broke down today there is already a planned alternative and with all the new bus lanes only yards from this road it would be easy to ban buses from this narrow through route.

If you pedestrianized it how would that work with all the roads that lead on or off it as all are even smaller with no room to turn round
Not exactly. Buses divert via the Sea front and Rock gardens if St James's Street is blocked, but yes there is a planned diversion route. I think what Harris is getting at is the 56 day notice period to change the routes that go up there. You have to alter the registration with the Traffic Commissioner.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: Two things, Harris is wrong if a bus broke down today there is already a planned alternative and with all the new bus lanes only yards from this road it would be easy to ban buses from this narrow through route. If you pedestrianized it how would that work with all the roads that lead on or off it as all are even smaller with no room to turn round[/p][/quote]Not exactly. Buses divert via the Sea front and Rock gardens if St James's Street is blocked, but yes there is a planned diversion route. I think what Harris is getting at is the 56 day notice period to change the routes that go up there. You have to alter the registration with the Traffic Commissioner. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 2

8:20am Sat 29 Mar 14

Kate234 says...

twonk wrote:
It wouldn't work. There are too many roads leading off it. You'd have cars reversing out onto Marine Parade as they'd have nowhere to turn.None of the shops have rear entrances so where would they get their stock from, and don't say they could get deliveries outside shopping hours as the shopkeepers wouldn't be there.
Take a look what a pedestrian shopping area did for Newhaven.
The delivery drivers also in many cases would not be able to make out of hours deliveries. Also what about people that need to drive and pick up things from shops.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: It wouldn't work. There are too many roads leading off it. You'd have cars reversing out onto Marine Parade as they'd have nowhere to turn.None of the shops have rear entrances so where would they get their stock from, and don't say they could get deliveries outside shopping hours as the shopkeepers wouldn't be there. Take a look what a pedestrian shopping area did for Newhaven.[/p][/quote]The delivery drivers also in many cases would not be able to make out of hours deliveries. Also what about people that need to drive and pick up things from shops. Kate234
  • Score: 0

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