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Have your say: Should St James's Street be pedestrianised?

The Argus: Have your say: Should St James's Street be pedestrianised? Have your say: Should St James's Street be pedestrianised?

Locals are campaigning to get St James's Street pedestrianised.

MP Simon Kirby said a survey revealed 70% of those who replied were in favour of the scheme.

Campaigners believe it would create a cafe society in the street with al fresco dining.

We want to know what you think.

Would it encourage you to visit the street?

Or would you be upset the buses were unable to drive down the road?

Let us know below.

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6:27am Mon 24 Mar 14

Brightonlad86 says...

I thought it was already pedestrianised?

Every time I drive up there I see pedestrians walking in the middle of the road, stepping out into the road without looking etc...
I thought it was already pedestrianised? Every time I drive up there I see pedestrians walking in the middle of the road, stepping out into the road without looking etc... Brightonlad86
  • Score: 13

7:22am Mon 24 Mar 14

Martin999 says...

Buses drive DOWN St. James's St ?
Buses drive DOWN St. James's St ? Martin999
  • Score: 4

7:26am Mon 24 Mar 14

Baffled of Brighton says...

No
No Baffled of Brighton
  • Score: 1

7:34am Mon 24 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think.

Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers.
Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think. Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

7:41am Mon 24 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

Yes for sure
Yes for sure gheese77
  • Score: -6

8:05am Mon 24 Mar 14

BURIRAM says...

Put it back to two way traffic again
Put it back to two way traffic again BURIRAM
  • Score: 5

8:18am Mon 24 Mar 14

Greyrun says...

HJarrs wrote:
Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think.

Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers.
I'll informed comment,if you had dealings with Mr Kirby you would know he works hard to address local issues as does Caroline Lucas.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think. Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers.[/p][/quote]I'll informed comment,if you had dealings with Mr Kirby you would know he works hard to address local issues as does Caroline Lucas. Greyrun
  • Score: -10

8:37am Mon 24 Mar 14

hey mongo says...

Yes that way can have the road as well as pavements full of dog excrement
Yes that way can have the road as well as pavements full of dog excrement hey mongo
  • Score: 13

9:03am Mon 24 Mar 14

AS-Kemptown says...

HJarrs wrote:
Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think.

Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers.
It's not his idea. He's just jumping on the idea as a potential vote winner. Same policy as the hospital redevelopment. He has done nothing for years and then with an election looming.....
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Wow! It only took Kirby, the invisible MP, 4 years to have a good idea! I notice that he has framed the proposal so the council and bus company have insufficient time to react to the proposal. Hoping for a good headline and for a bit of political capital I think. Just as well that the improvements to Edward St are being made (Kirby silent on this) as it makes the pedestrianisation of st James st a practical proposition. Also in the mix should be consideration as a shared space and weekend only closures, however this is an incredibly popular street for bus passengers.[/p][/quote]It's not his idea. He's just jumping on the idea as a potential vote winner. Same policy as the hospital redevelopment. He has done nothing for years and then with an election looming..... AS-Kemptown
  • Score: 6

9:14am Mon 24 Mar 14

localboy78 says...

You've got to be joking? It's a total dump. I'm gay and in my late twenties and I wouldn't touch the Brighton gay scene with a bargepole. It's seedy, sleazy, and cliquey. There are hardly any decent gay bars or clubs anyway.

As for the street itself, I don't think I've ever walked down it without seeing homeless people sprawled off their heads, junkies, alkies, dossers, and god knows what else. I've had friends down from London who wanted to experience 'lovely, diverse, 'cool' Brighton and they couldn't believe how skaggy it was, especially the so-called 'gay scene'!
You've got to be joking? It's a total dump. I'm gay and in my late twenties and I wouldn't touch the Brighton gay scene with a bargepole. It's seedy, sleazy, and cliquey. There are hardly any decent gay bars or clubs anyway. As for the street itself, I don't think I've ever walked down it without seeing homeless people sprawled off their heads, junkies, alkies, dossers, and god knows what else. I've had friends down from London who wanted to experience 'lovely, diverse, 'cool' Brighton and they couldn't believe how skaggy it was, especially the so-called 'gay scene'! localboy78
  • Score: 14

9:28am Mon 24 Mar 14

Gribbet says...

Yeah definitely, it's such a busy street, exactly the kind that needs to be pedestrianized.
Yeah definitely, it's such a busy street, exactly the kind that needs to be pedestrianized. Gribbet
  • Score: -3

10:05am Mon 24 Mar 14

Brighton90 says...

I would not go up that street as it is now, and pedestrianizing it will not change my opinion. It's seedy, dirty and completely unwelcoming as a place. Stopping vehicles from using it will not change that.
I would not go up that street as it is now, and pedestrianizing it will not change my opinion. It's seedy, dirty and completely unwelcoming as a place. Stopping vehicles from using it will not change that. Brighton90
  • Score: 5

11:12am Mon 24 Mar 14

BarryJim says...

At last, after decades of resisting pedestrianisation, traders are recognising that it can be a good thing for both them and their customers. Of course there will be organisational problems with St James's Street - with buses in particular - that will take time to think through, but that's no reason for not trialling it. If nothing else it might sort out the nuisance of the crowded pavement around the bus stop outside Morrisons! What I suppose it won't sot out - and may actually encourage - is the problem of thoughtless cyclists going the wrong way down a one-way street. Bring it on.
At last, after decades of resisting pedestrianisation, traders are recognising that it can be a good thing for both them and their customers. Of course there will be organisational problems with St James's Street - with buses in particular - that will take time to think through, but that's no reason for not trialling it. If nothing else it might sort out the nuisance of the crowded pavement around the bus stop outside Morrisons! What I suppose it won't sot out - and may actually encourage - is the problem of thoughtless cyclists going the wrong way down a one-way street. Bring it on. BarryJim
  • Score: 1

11:37am Mon 24 Mar 14

STEVE THE RED says...

There is no doubt that St James' Street needs investment and improvements for the area that includes less traffic and therefore less pollution. Over a year ago St James' Community Action Group decided to publish a vision for the area that was based upon "shared space" and, hopefully, we will soon see the fruits of their labour. It is clearly impossible to have a fully pedestrianised street as there are many in our local community with less than perfect mobility. However there is no logical reason why the number of buses could not be reduced by the increased use of Edward Street/Eastern Road and the Seafront. Private cars should be severely restricted and why not try car free days each month. Electrically powered (buggy type) vehicles could be available for those with small children,heavy shopping, or people just too weary or unable to walk.

There are plenty of people in our local community willing to use their professional skills to draw up a vision that will benefit all and make our area cleaner, healthier and welcoming.

For too long our local councillors (regardless of party) have ignored our needs but who can blame them if we do not make our voice heard.
There is no doubt that St James' Street needs investment and improvements for the area that includes less traffic and therefore less pollution. Over a year ago St James' Community Action Group decided to publish a vision for the area that was based upon "shared space" and, hopefully, we will soon see the fruits of their labour. It is clearly impossible to have a fully pedestrianised street as there are many in our local community with less than perfect mobility. However there is no logical reason why the number of buses could not be reduced by the increased use of Edward Street/Eastern Road and the Seafront. Private cars should be severely restricted and why not try car free days each month. Electrically powered (buggy type) vehicles could be available for those with small children,heavy shopping, or people just too weary or unable to walk. There are plenty of people in our local community willing to use their professional skills to draw up a vision that will benefit all and make our area cleaner, healthier and welcoming. For too long our local councillors (regardless of party) have ignored our needs but who can blame them if we do not make our voice heard. STEVE THE RED
  • Score: -4

12:49pm Mon 24 Mar 14

notaconspiracy says...

Pedestrianisation worked well in George Street and in the North Laines.
Pedestrianisation worked well in George Street and in the North Laines. notaconspiracy
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Mon 24 Mar 14

P.Dant says...

It was a good idea ten years ago (when I first heard it) and is now a better idea.As Mr Harris pointed out,the Edward St. upgrade has paved the way.
It was a good idea ten years ago (when I first heard it) and is now a better idea.As Mr Harris pointed out,the Edward St. upgrade has paved the way. P.Dant
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Dr Pork says...

There's already al fresco drinking so why not. I'd start with an all-you-can-vomit buffet deal and see if it takes off.
There's already al fresco drinking so why not. I'd start with an all-you-can-vomit buffet deal and see if it takes off. Dr Pork
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Martha Gunn says...

It is regrettable that there is still no word from Mr. Kirby on the pressing issue of Pickled Eggs and VAT.

Surely he is missing a trick here.

From Beer and Bingo to Pickled Eggs - that's the true Tory way forward.
It is regrettable that there is still no word from Mr. Kirby on the pressing issue of Pickled Eggs and VAT. Surely he is missing a trick here. From Beer and Bingo to Pickled Eggs - that's the true Tory way forward. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I think it should be pedestrianised. It would make it a lot more pleasant not to have to dodge buses which can easily be rerouted along Edward St or the seafront. However, there is the issue of access to side streets - some of these are very narrow, so it would be difficult for cars to turn around. I think if it was pedestrianised it would attract more businesses and it would be nice to sit outside cafes and pubs in the summer without all the fumes belching out from buses etc.
I think it should be pedestrianised. It would make it a lot more pleasant not to have to dodge buses which can easily be rerouted along Edward St or the seafront. However, there is the issue of access to side streets - some of these are very narrow, so it would be difficult for cars to turn around. I think if it was pedestrianised it would attract more businesses and it would be nice to sit outside cafes and pubs in the summer without all the fumes belching out from buses etc. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Mon 24 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

Ask all the business ,who get murdered for business rates, in St James st, how they would prefer it , & go with there choice, after all, its there heads on the block,
Ask all the business ,who get murdered for business rates, in St James st, how they would prefer it , & go with there choice, after all, its there heads on the block, ARMANA
  • Score: 3

4:25pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mark63 says...

Yes... do it. North Road and Western Road too... Most Cities (ours still refers to itself as a town on signage, go figure) did that in the 70s, 80s and 90s... as usualy, this place lags behind... It provides a much more attractive shopping experience and pulls in bigger store names... There's no vision in B&H...
Yes... do it. North Road and Western Road too... Most Cities (ours still refers to itself as a town on signage, go figure) did that in the 70s, 80s and 90s... as usualy, this place lags behind... It provides a much more attractive shopping experience and pulls in bigger store names... There's no vision in B&H... Mark63
  • Score: 2

4:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

concernedofBrighton says...

I can see the merits in this proposal, but what bothers me is the people with shopping coming out of Morrisons who rely on the bus service.

For some people on health/age grounds or even those with young children it will not be easy lugging bags of shopping an extra 200 yds or so either to the Seafront or across a busy road like Edward Street.
I can see the merits in this proposal, but what bothers me is the people with shopping coming out of Morrisons who rely on the bus service. For some people on health/age grounds or even those with young children it will not be easy lugging bags of shopping an extra 200 yds or so either to the Seafront or across a busy road like Edward Street. concernedofBrighton
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

paulmacka says...

In the ideal world it would be lovely, but it's not a case of just stopping the traffic, there's the issues of needing extra CCTV, extra policing, cleaning up the area, even London Road is getting better and leaving St James Street behind, and that is saying something!
In the ideal world it would be lovely, but it's not a case of just stopping the traffic, there's the issues of needing extra CCTV, extra policing, cleaning up the area, even London Road is getting better and leaving St James Street behind, and that is saying something! paulmacka
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Mon 24 Mar 14

STEVE THE RED says...

paulmacka wrote:
In the ideal world it would be lovely, but it's not a case of just stopping the traffic, there's the issues of needing extra CCTV, extra policing, cleaning up the area, even London Road is getting better and leaving St James Street behind, and that is saying something!
You are absolutely correct but it is possible to do something!
[quote][p][bold]paulmacka[/bold] wrote: In the ideal world it would be lovely, but it's not a case of just stopping the traffic, there's the issues of needing extra CCTV, extra policing, cleaning up the area, even London Road is getting better and leaving St James Street behind, and that is saying something![/p][/quote]You are absolutely correct but it is possible to do something! STEVE THE RED
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

puddingandpi says...

localboy78 wrote:
You've got to be joking? It's a total dump. I'm gay and in my late twenties and I wouldn't touch the Brighton gay scene with a bargepole. It's seedy, sleazy, and cliquey. There are hardly any decent gay bars or clubs anyway.

As for the street itself, I don't think I've ever walked down it without seeing homeless people sprawled off their heads, junkies, alkies, dossers, and god knows what else. I've had friends down from London who wanted to experience 'lovely, diverse, 'cool' Brighton and they couldn't believe how skaggy it was, especially the so-called 'gay scene'!
i think we're walking down different St James' Streets. But I go there during the day, not at night & I'm not into "the gay scene" (just the one? There's only one?). I like the independent shops, the vibrancy. The local "characters" add to it!
[quote][p][bold]localboy78[/bold] wrote: You've got to be joking? It's a total dump. I'm gay and in my late twenties and I wouldn't touch the Brighton gay scene with a bargepole. It's seedy, sleazy, and cliquey. There are hardly any decent gay bars or clubs anyway. As for the street itself, I don't think I've ever walked down it without seeing homeless people sprawled off their heads, junkies, alkies, dossers, and god knows what else. I've had friends down from London who wanted to experience 'lovely, diverse, 'cool' Brighton and they couldn't believe how skaggy it was, especially the so-called 'gay scene'![/p][/quote]i think we're walking down different St James' Streets. But I go there during the day, not at night & I'm not into "the gay scene" (just the one? There's only one?). I like the independent shops, the vibrancy. The local "characters" add to it! puddingandpi
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

djwbrighton says...

Easy answer just have a Waitrose instead of a Morrison's!

But seriously would a bus stop in the Steine be too far away?
Easy answer just have a Waitrose instead of a Morrison's! But seriously would a bus stop in the Steine be too far away? djwbrighton
  • Score: 0

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