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Brighton and Hove bus fares to rise by 10p

Bus fares will rise by another 10p next month

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6:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

tykemison says...

I think 10p is an derisory sum and we should have hiked it upto £7 per day for a city saver, but was told we have not yet been successful in our quest to force hard working people out of their cars(to free up the roads for us capitalist elite) and onto public transport.We have conned them with issues about buses being"environmentall
y friendly"and in conjunction with city council, extraordinarily been allowed to implement the most outrageous traffic policies in the history of mankind and yet still too many have the audacity to use their free will, not to fret, as soon as we stitch em all up, we shall hike up the fares on any pretence to feed our greed of dividends.
I think 10p is an derisory sum and we should have hiked it upto £7 per day for a city saver, but was told we have not yet been successful in our quest to force hard working people out of their cars(to free up the roads for us capitalist elite) and onto public transport.We have conned them with issues about buses being"environmentall y friendly"and in conjunction with city council, extraordinarily been allowed to implement the most outrageous traffic policies in the history of mankind and yet still too many have the audacity to use their free will, not to fret, as soon as we stitch em all up, we shall hike up the fares on any pretence to feed our greed of dividends. tykemison
  • Score: 9

6:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

NickBtn says...

Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up?

Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council
Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up? Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council NickBtn
  • Score: 57

6:16pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Caute3 says...

I'll stay in London thanks where I can pay £1.40 for what would cost me £4.90 for the same journey in East Sussex (though I haven't been down South for a while so I may be being conservative)
I'll stay in London thanks where I can pay £1.40 for what would cost me £4.90 for the same journey in East Sussex (though I haven't been down South for a while so I may be being conservative) Caute3
  • Score: 34

6:16pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

It shouldn't concern any of us anyway, We ALL cycle to & fro in Brighton now, don't we ??
It shouldn't concern any of us anyway, We ALL cycle to & fro in Brighton now, don't we ?? ARMANA
  • Score: 26

6:43pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Hove Actually says...

How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes Hove Actually
  • Score: 34

6:52pm Wed 26 Mar 14

notaconspiracy says...

I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas. notaconspiracy
  • Score: 15

7:17pm Wed 26 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for. HJarrs
  • Score: -19

7:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Baffled of Brighton says...

Why don't they have advertising to subsidise some of their costs?
Why don't they have advertising to subsidise some of their costs? Baffled of Brighton
  • Score: 13

8:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

NickBtn says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
... or watch the greens provide more exclusive road space to further increase the bus company's profits. Yes, we do get what we vote for, but isn't it fair to think that the green party would be pro public transport? And at a price that is affordable and doesn't increase by much more than inflation year after year?

The greens could and should negotiate over this valuable shared road space rather than give it away to a highly profitable company. If our bus fares were at a fare level this would not be so bad - but it is often cheaper for two or more people to share a taxi rather than take a bus. That's madness!

Brighton has clearly become a cash cow for the bus group - we seem to get lots of new buses and our nearly new ones are sold on - presumably cheaply to other parts of the bus group?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]... or watch the greens provide more exclusive road space to further increase the bus company's profits. Yes, we do get what we vote for, but isn't it fair to think that the green party would be pro public transport? And at a price that is affordable and doesn't increase by much more than inflation year after year? The greens could and should negotiate over this valuable shared road space rather than give it away to a highly profitable company. If our bus fares were at a fare level this would not be so bad - but it is often cheaper for two or more people to share a taxi rather than take a bus. That's madness! Brighton has clearly become a cash cow for the bus group - we seem to get lots of new buses and our nearly new ones are sold on - presumably cheaply to other parts of the bus group? NickBtn
  • Score: 18

8:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

pachallis says...

Yet again another above inflation price increase. It will be interesting to see what the justification is (if any) provided by Brighton & Hove Buses - the (effective) monopoly supplier for the city.

Perhaps it is to pay for more older buses to be replaced to meet the new lower emission targets that the green council has set as a result of the higher pollution levels in central Brighton caused by lines of buses queuing to get through North Street and Churchill Square?

Perhaps it is to pay for even more buses to be running at more frequent intervals during the daytime carrying packs of grey-backs on their day trips to Eastbourne?

Why do we need so many frequent almost empty off-peak buses?

'Brighton Area Buswatch' is supposed to represent us seem to be more of a bus 'fanbois' working on the bus companies behalf and IMHO are no benefit to customers at all.

But of course the bus fans will say we have a choice - we can choose to walk or cycle or drive our cars instead of going by bus - price-less!

Who does control what bus companies get away with in Brighton & Hove?What does biker Davey actually do for transport in Brighton & Hove?

What subsidies do bus companies get from councils and the government? Because at the end of the day we all pay for this via rates and taxes.
Yet again another above inflation price increase. It will be interesting to see what the justification is (if any) provided by Brighton & Hove Buses - the (effective) monopoly supplier for the city. Perhaps it is to pay for more older buses to be replaced to meet the new lower emission targets that the green council has set as a result of the higher pollution levels in central Brighton caused by lines of buses queuing to get through North Street and Churchill Square? Perhaps it is to pay for even more buses to be running at more frequent intervals during the daytime carrying packs of grey-backs on their day trips to Eastbourne? Why do we need so many frequent almost empty off-peak buses? 'Brighton Area Buswatch' is supposed to represent us seem to be more of a bus 'fanbois' working on the bus companies behalf and IMHO are no benefit to customers at all. But of course the bus fans will say we have a choice - we can choose to walk or cycle or drive our cars instead of going by bus - price-less! Who does control what bus companies get away with in Brighton & Hove?What does biker Davey actually do for transport in Brighton & Hove? What subsidies do bus companies get from councils and the government? Because at the end of the day we all pay for this via rates and taxes. pachallis
  • Score: 9

8:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

twonk says...

Fuel prices at their lowest for months. Inflation falling...
Fuel prices at their lowest for months. Inflation falling... twonk
  • Score: 11

8:40pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Jam1001 says...

Again? Stuff it, I'm buying another car. It may be more costly and hassle but at least i will be the one bending myself over and not this rip off bus company. More expensive than London, how is that possible?
Again? Stuff it, I'm buying another car. It may be more costly and hassle but at least i will be the one bending myself over and not this rip off bus company. More expensive than London, how is that possible? Jam1001
  • Score: 27

8:40pm Wed 26 Mar 14

her professional says...

NickBtn wrote:
Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up?

Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council
No it isn't, they can't tell the bus company what to charge any more than, say, Tesco or Next.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up? Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council[/p][/quote]No it isn't, they can't tell the bus company what to charge any more than, say, Tesco or Next. her professional
  • Score: -4

8:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

her professional says...

Hove Actually wrote:
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
Bus fares are nothing to do with the council
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes[/p][/quote]Bus fares are nothing to do with the council her professional
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

leftysmellbags says...

Of course they are going to rise, the green party make it all but impossible to afford a car in this city and now go on the offensive to tap us poor unfortunates that choose any other transport apart from cycling to make ends meet. Tw&ts.
Of course they are going to rise, the green party make it all but impossible to afford a car in this city and now go on the offensive to tap us poor unfortunates that choose any other transport apart from cycling to make ends meet. Tw&ts. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 11

9:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rolivan says...

her professional wrote:
Hove Actually wrote:
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
Bus fares are nothing to do with the council
How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes[/p][/quote]Bus fares are nothing to do with the council[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies. rolivan
  • Score: 9

10:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
Roll on next year, wel, get what we voted for again, NO MORE GREENS, !!!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]Roll on next year, wel, get what we voted for again, NO MORE GREENS, !!! ARMANA
  • Score: 11

1:20am Thu 27 Mar 14

paul76 says...

Got to get some spare cash to influence where the next bus lane wil go somehow.
Got to get some spare cash to influence where the next bus lane wil go somehow. paul76
  • Score: 4

1:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

rolivan wrote:
her professional wrote:
Hove Actually wrote:
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
Bus fares are nothing to do with the council
How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.
oh dear the free bus pass is not free some one has to pay ,just for the record its 90p per swipe ,yep all them free ride of one or two stops a few hundred meters or less cost the council 90p ,its about time there was a limit to how many times a week or year these passes can be used ,the free bus was used far less when there was a 50% fee to be paid by the user ,now its lets see how many bus rides a day i can get in ,CAP IT OR BAN IT
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes[/p][/quote]Bus fares are nothing to do with the council[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.[/p][/quote]oh dear the free bus pass is not free some one has to pay ,just for the record its 90p per swipe ,yep all them free ride of one or two stops a few hundred meters or less cost the council 90p ,its about time there was a limit to how many times a week or year these passes can be used ,the free bus was used far less when there was a 50% fee to be paid by the user ,now its lets see how many bus rides a day i can get in ,CAP IT OR BAN IT whatevernext2013
  • Score: 2

1:43am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

twonk wrote:
Fuel prices at their lowest for months. Inflation falling...
STAFF WANT A PAY RISE ,I BLAME THE UNION
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: Fuel prices at their lowest for months. Inflation falling...[/p][/quote]STAFF WANT A PAY RISE ,I BLAME THE UNION whatevernext2013
  • Score: -2

1:46am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

notaconspiracy wrote:
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present
[quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.[/p][/quote]i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present whatevernext2013
  • Score: 8

1:51am Thu 27 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

NickBtn wrote:
Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up?

Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council
bus route are available to all ,councils put out to tender routes that dont make money and go with the lowest bid ,hence the tatty old buses running around the city
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: Prices are too high already. Previous price rises have been blamed on fuel cost increases - but with fuel at a 3 year low shouldn't prices be going down not up? Public transport should be encouraged by the greens. This is another one of their failures as they have sat by through year after year of above inflation price rises. Yes, the council doesn't have control over the bus company directly but they have a lot of influence, including subsidising them with their own lanes. Bus routes should be made available to all unless this private company (an effective monopoly) reduces its prices and profits. This is within the power of the council[/p][/quote]bus route are available to all ,councils put out to tender routes that dont make money and go with the lowest bid ,hence the tatty old buses running around the city whatevernext2013
  • Score: 3

9:07am Thu 27 Mar 14

PetertheGrate says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
I lived in the distant past where all buses were privately owned.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]I lived in the distant past where all buses were privately owned. PetertheGrate
  • Score: 4

9:09am Thu 27 Mar 14

PetertheGrate says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
Most of them don't vote: turnout is usually about 30%
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]Most of them don't vote: turnout is usually about 30% PetertheGrate
  • Score: 4

9:10am Thu 27 Mar 14

notaconspiracy says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present
Last Saturday.

I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90!
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.[/p][/quote]i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present[/p][/quote]Last Saturday. I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90! notaconspiracy
  • Score: 4

11:32am Thu 27 Mar 14

nutbutch says...

Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.
Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work. nutbutch
  • Score: -1

12:47pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Crazy Cat Lady says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present
If you get it in the scratch card or on your phone it is £3.90 and not the £4.60 if you buy it off the driver.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.[/p][/quote]i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present[/p][/quote]If you get it in the scratch card or on your phone it is £3.90 and not the £4.60 if you buy it off the driver. Crazy Cat Lady
  • Score: 3

12:49pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Crazy Cat Lady says...

nutbutch wrote:
Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.
Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them.
[quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.[/p][/quote]Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them. Crazy Cat Lady
  • Score: 3

12:50pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Crazy Cat Lady says...

Crazy Cat Lady wrote:
nutbutch wrote:
Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.
Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them.
Oh and to add, being jobless isn't necessarily meaning your a slacker. Being unemployed can happen to anyone. Doesn't make you a slacker.
[quote][p][bold]Crazy Cat Lady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.[/p][/quote]Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them.[/p][/quote]Oh and to add, being jobless isn't necessarily meaning your a slacker. Being unemployed can happen to anyone. Doesn't make you a slacker. Crazy Cat Lady
  • Score: 9

1:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

nutbutch says...

I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!!
I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!! nutbutch
  • Score: -7

1:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

KathyBB says...

nutbutch wrote:
I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!!
Well said
[quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!![/p][/quote]Well said KathyBB
  • Score: -5

1:52pm Thu 27 Mar 14

KathyBB says...

Crazy Cat Lady wrote:
Crazy Cat Lady wrote:
nutbutch wrote: Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.
Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them.
Oh and to add, being jobless isn't necessarily meaning your a slacker. Being unemployed can happen to anyone. Doesn't make you a slacker.
I read Nutbutch's comment as the people who don't want to work, hence the word "Slackers" as far as I can see she was only referring to those who dont want to work who DO cash in on us taxpayers...100% in agreement with Nutbutch...WELL SAID!!!
[quote][p][bold]Crazy Cat Lady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crazy Cat Lady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.[/p][/quote]Jobless slackers do not get bus passes. Only the over 60's and disabled get them.[/p][/quote]Oh and to add, being jobless isn't necessarily meaning your a slacker. Being unemployed can happen to anyone. Doesn't make you a slacker.[/p][/quote]I read Nutbutch's comment as the people who don't want to work, hence the word "Slackers" as far as I can see she was only referring to those who dont want to work who DO cash in on us taxpayers...100% in agreement with Nutbutch...WELL SAID!!! KathyBB
  • Score: -4

2:01pm Thu 27 Mar 14

nutbutch says...

Thankyou Kathy BB
Thankyou Kathy BB nutbutch
  • Score: -4

3:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

davyboy says...

You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.
You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money. davyboy
  • Score: -2

4:10pm Thu 27 Mar 14

pachallis says...

davyboy wrote:
You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.
@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost?

The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers.

So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead?

Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly?

Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city,

There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.[/p][/quote]@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost? The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers. So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead? Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly? Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city, There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing. pachallis
  • Score: 1

5:08pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dave At Home says...

notaconspiracy wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present
Last Saturday.

I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90!
and this ticket price goes up to £4.10 from the 13th, a rise of more than the 10p they are claiming, unless it is 10p each way and we are only seeing the smoke screens..... I love the way B&H Buses run the city's infrastructure, bet it won't improve the driving standards of the buses.
[quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.[/p][/quote]i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present[/p][/quote]Last Saturday. I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90![/p][/quote]and this ticket price goes up to £4.10 from the 13th, a rise of more than the 10p they are claiming, unless it is 10p each way and we are only seeing the smoke screens..... I love the way B&H Buses run the city's infrastructure, bet it won't improve the driving standards of the buses. Dave At Home
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

russellF1 says...

The price increase probably has a lot to do with the proposed Emission Zone that is being introduced in West Street and Churchill Square. Ironically enough, if they cut the frequency then they would instantly cut the pollution in these zones and the problem would be solved! Brighton & Hove buses have been given a substantial grant towards updating their fleet, something like £14,000 of tax payers money. Stand at the clock tower and look down West Street and see for yourselves where the emissions problem comes from - its them!
Insurance is very expensive in this industry due to the 'no win no fee' philosophy that the majority of people appear to have adopted. With that said, I believe I am right in saying that huge conglomerate bus companies such as Go-Ahead, Stagecoach, Arriva etc self insure so they don't have fixed prices per vehicle like most operators, they ONLY pay if there is a claim made. Baring in mind it is rare to get on a B&H bus that has the opportunity to go beyond 5mph means the risk of claims is extremely low - more likely to drive into each other than to cars or pedestrians.
Go-Ahead Group operating profits rose to £51.1 million as announced in February - a raise of 9% over the 6 month period. Looks like their aiming for £55 million with this one...!
The price increase probably has a lot to do with the proposed Emission Zone that is being introduced in West Street and Churchill Square. Ironically enough, if they cut the frequency then they would instantly cut the pollution in these zones and the problem would be solved! Brighton & Hove buses have been given a substantial grant towards updating their fleet, something like £14,000 of tax payers money. Stand at the clock tower and look down West Street and see for yourselves where the emissions problem comes from - its them! Insurance is very expensive in this industry due to the 'no win no fee' philosophy that the majority of people appear to have adopted. With that said, I believe I am right in saying that huge conglomerate bus companies such as Go-Ahead, Stagecoach, Arriva etc self insure so they don't have fixed prices per vehicle like most operators, they ONLY pay if there is a claim made. Baring in mind it is rare to get on a B&H bus that has the opportunity to go beyond 5mph means the risk of claims is extremely low - more likely to drive into each other than to cars or pedestrians. Go-Ahead Group operating profits rose to £51.1 million as announced in February - a raise of 9% over the 6 month period. Looks like their aiming for £55 million with this one...! russellF1
  • Score: 3

6:12pm Thu 27 Mar 14

russellF1 says...

Correction - I have apparently underestimated - in October 2012 Go Ahead Group set out a three year plan of growth to £100 million operating profit - expect this to be the first of many pay rises!
Correction - I have apparently underestimated - in October 2012 Go Ahead Group set out a three year plan of growth to £100 million operating profit - expect this to be the first of many pay rises! russellF1
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

russellF1 says...

pachallis wrote:
davyboy wrote:
You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.
@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost?

The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers.

So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead?

Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly?

Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city,

There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.
Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry!
Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares....
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.[/p][/quote]@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost? The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers. So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead? Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly? Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city, There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.[/p][/quote]Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry! Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares.... russellF1
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Thu 27 Mar 14

russellF1 says...

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10939500.
Brighton_bus_emissio
n_zone_approved/

Martin Harris, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said more than a third of its 300-strong fleet will not meet the test in 12 months time.

This was despite a government grant of £700,000 towards the scheme meaning 50 of its vehicles would be retrofitted with catalytic converters.

Mr Harris said he was confident the zone would not have “unintended consequences” for passengers, such as increased fares, reduced frequencies or disruption to the pattern of services.

What happened here then Mr Harris...?
http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10939500. Brighton_bus_emissio n_zone_approved/ Martin Harris, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said more than a third of its 300-strong fleet will not meet the test in 12 months time. This was despite a government grant of £700,000 towards the scheme meaning 50 of its vehicles would be retrofitted with catalytic converters. Mr Harris said he was confident the zone would not have “unintended consequences” for passengers, such as increased fares, reduced frequencies or disruption to the pattern of services. What happened here then Mr Harris...? russellF1
  • Score: 8

7:32pm Thu 27 Mar 14

deni says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
her professional wrote:
Hove Actually wrote:
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
Bus fares are nothing to do with the council
How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.
oh dear the free bus pass is not free some one has to pay ,just for the record its 90p per swipe ,yep all them free ride of one or two stops a few hundred meters or less cost the council 90p ,its about time there was a limit to how many times a week or year these passes can be used ,the free bus was used far less when there was a 50% fee to be paid by the user ,now its lets see how many bus rides a day i can get in ,CAP IT OR BAN IT
People should have to pay a pram space. 1 adult pays they take up two spaces with their pram then take the child out and sit in two sits. By my reckoning that is 1 fare 4 spaces.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes[/p][/quote]Bus fares are nothing to do with the council[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.[/p][/quote]oh dear the free bus pass is not free some one has to pay ,just for the record its 90p per swipe ,yep all them free ride of one or two stops a few hundred meters or less cost the council 90p ,its about time there was a limit to how many times a week or year these passes can be used ,the free bus was used far less when there was a 50% fee to be paid by the user ,now its lets see how many bus rides a day i can get in ,CAP IT OR BAN IT[/p][/quote]People should have to pay a pram space. 1 adult pays they take up two spaces with their pram then take the child out and sit in two sits. By my reckoning that is 1 fare 4 spaces. deni
  • Score: 3

11:39pm Thu 27 Mar 14

jackthekipper says...

**** take,most expensive buses ive come across in the world
**** take,most expensive buses ive come across in the world jackthekipper
  • Score: 3

12:15am Fri 28 Mar 14

Jam1001 says...

nutbutch wrote:
I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!!
Agreed totally, i am an employer and although i do not offer the best paid and most glamorous jobs, my applicant level rarely and i seriously mean rarely includes British people. As a sample, the last job i posted on Gumtree got over 100 applicants and only 3 were British citizens, most were Italians, Spanish, the Usual Eastern Europeans and surprisingly, in a changing trend, quite a few French.

It appears British welfare beggars can be choosers.
[quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: I think your find they do I know this for a fact and unless people are not medically fit to work there are plenty of jobs out there im not saying all but mostly people can't be bothered to work because they think they are better than the jobs on offer. FACT!!!![/p][/quote]Agreed totally, i am an employer and although i do not offer the best paid and most glamorous jobs, my applicant level rarely and i seriously mean rarely includes British people. As a sample, the last job i posted on Gumtree got over 100 applicants and only 3 were British citizens, most were Italians, Spanish, the Usual Eastern Europeans and surprisingly, in a changing trend, quite a few French. It appears British welfare beggars can be choosers. Jam1001
  • Score: -4

2:18am Fri 28 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Dave At Home wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre.

The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.
i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present
Last Saturday.

I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90!
and this ticket price goes up to £4.10 from the 13th, a rise of more than the 10p they are claiming, unless it is 10p each way and we are only seeing the smoke screens..... I love the way B&H Buses run the city's infrastructure, bet it won't improve the driving standards of the buses.
lol buses dont drive
[quote][p][bold]Dave At Home[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I sometimes get a saver ticket on a Saturday. Even if it goes up to £4 for the day, it's far cheaper than parking in the town centre. The problem with this is that bus travel is not fun or easy after a big shopping trip, so I still drive to a retail park, Crawley, Eastbourne, etc. sometimes for food or at Xmas.[/p][/quote]i see you have not been on a bus in along time a city wide saver is £4.60 at present[/p][/quote]Last Saturday. I use a software application on my mobile 'phone to buy a 1 day saver ticket @ £3.90![/p][/quote]and this ticket price goes up to £4.10 from the 13th, a rise of more than the 10p they are claiming, unless it is 10p each way and we are only seeing the smoke screens..... I love the way B&H Buses run the city's infrastructure, bet it won't improve the driving standards of the buses.[/p][/quote]lol buses dont drive whatevernext2013
  • Score: 0

9:08am Fri 28 Mar 14

pachallis says...

I see that B&H Buses have published all their new prices on their web site.

As, half expected, they have given no reasons for the changes - just as a monopoly would - in other words take it or leave it!

Some charges have increased significantly more than 10p (a trip?). Short hop goes up from £1.60 to £1.80 (13% more). Some of the multi-day smart card fares are going up by 11%.

Well as the fanbois say - we have the choice whether to use the bus or not!
I see that B&H Buses have published all their new prices on their web site. As, half expected, they have given no reasons for the changes - just as a monopoly would - in other words take it or leave it! Some charges have increased significantly more than 10p (a trip?). Short hop goes up from £1.60 to £1.80 (13% more). Some of the multi-day smart card fares are going up by 11%. Well as the fanbois say - we have the choice whether to use the bus or not! pachallis
  • Score: 2

9:48am Fri 28 Mar 14

her professional says...

rolivan wrote:
her professional wrote:
Hove Actually wrote:
How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take.

Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution.

It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes
Bus fares are nothing to do with the council
How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.
The council put out a very few uncommercial routes to tender, they keep the revenue and pay the bus company a fixed sum. There are several companies that bid for these routes, and Brighton & hove bus co only operate a small proportion of them. The "free" travel for over 65 s is a government scheme.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: How can kitcrap or any of the green trolls spin this latest pi55 take. Numbers of passengers going up which means more profit per bus journey with fuel at a three year low, more and more public roadway being given over to a private company with the tax payer paying for the upkeep even though it is the buses causing most of the damage and pollution. It is fast becoming apparent the greens want us to all walk round town as few below pension age will be able to afford to travel by bus and those rich enough will still be able to afford cars as homes with driveways do not need to pay the yearly tax to park nearish to their homes[/p][/quote]Bus fares are nothing to do with the council[/p][/quote]How can you say that Bus fares are nothng to do with the Council when we keep hearing that Parking Fines and Fees pay for Bus Passes.How much does each Bus Pass cost the Council and is it cost effective?The Bus Comany get about £10m a year from the Council in Subsidies.[/p][/quote]The council put out a very few uncommercial routes to tender, they keep the revenue and pay the bus company a fixed sum. There are several companies that bid for these routes, and Brighton & hove bus co only operate a small proportion of them. The "free" travel for over 65 s is a government scheme. her professional
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices.

I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits.

It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices. I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits. It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 7

2:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

those fat cat bus managers just laughing all the way to the bank. they need a good seeing to!
those fat cat bus managers just laughing all the way to the bank. they need a good seeing to! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bluemonday says...

russellF1 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
davyboy wrote:
You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.
@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost?

The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers.

So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead?

Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly?

Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city,

There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.
Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry!
Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares....
try doing some research before commenting,big lemon owners approached the traffic commission to pull out of there agreed contract 3mths after it started,they couldn't afford to operate the service promised,this was nothing to do with brighton and hove bus co,the service is excellent though I agree it is abit pricey,but cutting services to bring the cost down would create problems like the service 24 has
[quote][p][bold]russellF1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.[/p][/quote]@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost? The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers. So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead? Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly? Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city, There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.[/p][/quote]Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry! Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares....[/p][/quote]try doing some research before commenting,big lemon owners approached the traffic commission to pull out of there agreed contract 3mths after it started,they couldn't afford to operate the service promised,this was nothing to do with brighton and hove bus co,the service is excellent though I agree it is abit pricey,but cutting services to bring the cost down would create problems like the service 24 has bluemonday
  • Score: 1

3:23pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pachallis says...

bluemonday wrote:
russellF1 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
davyboy wrote:
You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.
@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost?

The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers.

So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead?

Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly?

Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city,

There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.
Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry!
Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares....
try doing some research before commenting,big lemon owners approached the traffic commission to pull out of there agreed contract 3mths after it started,they couldn't afford to operate the service promised,this was nothing to do with brighton and hove bus co,the service is excellent though I agree it is abit pricey,but cutting services to bring the cost down would create problems like the service 24 has
@bluemonday - so are you saying we need to pay more just to keep them running at the current levels?

As far as Big Lemon is concerned aren't all their services subsidized by Brighton and Hove City Council and Sussex University anyway?

And didn't Big Lemon provide free buses to take fracking protesters to Balcombe and Manchester? How can they afford this? Who subsidized these trips?

IMHO Big Lemon needs to get their own house in order and concentrate on the business - their failings shouldn't mean that Go-Ahead have similar problems or constraints.
[quote][p][bold]bluemonday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellF1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davyboy[/bold] wrote: You still have one of the best bus services in the country! Try living somewhere where you are lucky enough to get one bus every two hours. This is nothing to do with pay rises, but general operating costs. Before you say that fuel has come down, the company, and I mean Go-Ahead, buys all its fuel at a reduced rate anyway, usually 12-18 months ahead. Insurance costs have been rising due to ever increasing claims for personal injuries by members of the public, who treat bus companies as a cash cow. More of these spurious claims are being taken to court and this all costs money.[/p][/quote]@davyboy - thanks Ian - so can we have a slightly reduced service - perhaps halve off peak services - at lower cost? The savings then could pay for some decent lawyers. So that we can understand the situation better, how much of a typical bus fare actually goes on insurance? How much on fuel? How much on infrastructure? How much on profits to Go-Ahead? Who regulates the pricing and ensures it is competitive? Do we need to force more competition on some routes rather than have a Go-Ahead monopoly? Do we really need buses every 5-7 minutes on some routes when the only real passengers seem to be grey backs paid for by the council and hence our rates? This would also cut down on bus-generated pollution on the city, There is having a sufficient service and having too much of a good thing.[/p][/quote]Competition is a dirty word to Brighton & Hove - just ask Big Lemon how well they take to a bit of healthy rivalry! Pricing is determined by demand - for as long as people don't have a choice B&H will continue to do what suits them and their shareholders via the Go-Ahead Group and not the paying public. The only way to get anything back might be to buy some shares....[/p][/quote]try doing some research before commenting,big lemon owners approached the traffic commission to pull out of there agreed contract 3mths after it started,they couldn't afford to operate the service promised,this was nothing to do with brighton and hove bus co,the service is excellent though I agree it is abit pricey,but cutting services to bring the cost down would create problems like the service 24 has[/p][/quote]@bluemonday - so are you saying we need to pay more just to keep them running at the current levels? As far as Big Lemon is concerned aren't all their services subsidized by Brighton and Hove City Council and Sussex University anyway? And didn't Big Lemon provide free buses to take fracking protesters to Balcombe and Manchester? How can they afford this? Who subsidized these trips? IMHO Big Lemon needs to get their own house in order and concentrate on the business - their failings shouldn't mean that Go-Ahead have similar problems or constraints. pachallis
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

spa301 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
You always come across as a very sad, lonely and bitter person..........and getting worse.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]You always come across as a very sad, lonely and bitter person..........and getting worse. spa301
  • Score: 3

7:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ghost bus driver says...

I have to say a lot of us at the garage found out about this only yesterday. it was a case of
"Fares are going up"
"Here we go again"

but one issue I have is this. Why is a student buying a Saver on the bus, paying full fare and not getting a Student Key card? Unless porkies are being told somewhere.

Whatever you choose to do, however you buy your ticket, please don't blame the drivers. We don't set the fares. Them upstairs do that. You'd be surprised how many people think we set the fares ourselves.
I have to say a lot of us at the garage found out about this only yesterday. it was a case of "Fares are going up" "Here we go again" but one issue I have is this. Why is a student buying a Saver on the bus, paying full fare and not getting a Student Key card? Unless porkies are being told somewhere. Whatever you choose to do, however you buy your ticket, please don't blame the drivers. We don't set the fares. Them upstairs do that. You'd be surprised how many people think we set the fares ourselves. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 5

11:18am Sun 30 Mar 14

her professional says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices.

I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits.

It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party.
Bus lanes are not solely for the benefit of a private company, they benefit the people making the million journeys each weekn by bus. By making bus travel more attractive, more people travel on the buses leaving more space for you and your car. Meanwhile millions are spent on road schemes so that car drivers can knock a few minutes off their journey, often to the detriment of local communities.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices. I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits. It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party.[/p][/quote]Bus lanes are not solely for the benefit of a private company, they benefit the people making the million journeys each weekn by bus. By making bus travel more attractive, more people travel on the buses leaving more space for you and your car. Meanwhile millions are spent on road schemes so that car drivers can knock a few minutes off their journey, often to the detriment of local communities. her professional
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Sun 30 Mar 14

ARMANA says...

her professional wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses.

You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.
You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices.

I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits.

It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party.
Bus lanes are not solely for the benefit of a private company, they benefit the people making the million journeys each weekn by bus. By making bus travel more attractive, more people travel on the buses leaving more space for you and your car. Meanwhile millions are spent on road schemes so that car drivers can knock a few minutes off their journey, often to the detriment of local communities.
WE, car drivers are in the warm, when your standing at a bus shelter in the middle of winter, waiting for the bus that never comes,
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Some of you live in the distant past when councils rightly owned the buses. You moan about a rise in bus fares, yet you were the ones that happily voted conservative, who privatised the buses in the first place or Labour that were happy to stand by and watch local monopolies make big profits for their managements. You got what you voted for.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point slightly. Leaving aside the damage done by Labour and Tory governments what people are moaning about here is that the Council have spent a lot of public money building a private road network solely for the benefit of a private company. The company have repaid this by introducing yet another price rise - and as has been pointed out this is despite the fact that they have saved millions in fuel recently because of the low prices. I don't blame the bus company. They're a private company whose raison d'etre is to make a profit for its shareholders and understandably they are exploiting their council-condoned and council-aided monopoly to maximise those profits. It would be nice if Greens such as yourself could occasionally stick up for Brighton people, but such is life I guess. You're not a people party.[/p][/quote]Bus lanes are not solely for the benefit of a private company, they benefit the people making the million journeys each weekn by bus. By making bus travel more attractive, more people travel on the buses leaving more space for you and your car. Meanwhile millions are spent on road schemes so that car drivers can knock a few minutes off their journey, often to the detriment of local communities.[/p][/quote]WE, car drivers are in the warm, when your standing at a bus shelter in the middle of winter, waiting for the bus that never comes, ARMANA
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Worthingwithoutbuses! says...

nutbutch wrote:
Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.
Agree... UNTIL YOU HAVE DRIVEN A BUS FULL OF Pi55ED UP TW*TS on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night trying to blag a free ride then STOP taking it out on the Bus Drivers! We have the responsibility of up to 100 souls on board PLUS the brainless TW@TS who seem to wander out in to the road thinking they can take on a 17 ton bus (fully loaded). The place is full of suicidal lemmings trying to get themselves killed on their poxy ipods/pads taking no notice of a 40ft long, 14ft high big red & cream metal thing. If it hits you... it hurts! Who is responsible for ALL that?? The Driver. Next time you log on to your cosy pc in your office and send a few emails, think about the responsibility we have? The worst you can do is send an email to the wrong person or spill your coffee... we can kill people through no fault of our own who wander out in the road like it is a footpath, and then have to live with that memory for the rest of our lives.
We have a job to do and are NOT responsible for price increases. Got a problem... ask "Mr Go-Ahead" boss in Newcastle who dictates to B&H what to charge so the share holders get their pay out. ALSO you have one of the most frequent, modern fleets outside London (which is subsidised by Bonkers Boris) by the way but comes out of your Council Tax.
We have the unfortunate claim to have Stagecoach as our local Bus company who run an HOURLY service (on our route) from 7am to 6pm Mon-Sat ONLY and they charge around £5 for a WORTHING day rider, so stop complaining unless you want "Stagecrap Buses" taking over B&H!
The alternative is use those two things connected to your body and WALK or get a MAD CAB and see how far 4.70 gets you then? Your choice.
[quote][p][bold]nutbutch[/bold] wrote: Perhaps instead of slagging of brighton and hove buses you should actually be slagging of the council, who have given all the jobless slackers free bus passes. All our tax goes to them!!!!! It has nothing to do with bus drivers wanting a payrise and why shouldn't they anyway. Its not there fault they have a job to do. Unless you have been a bus driver and know what its really like you have no right to slag them off. So 10p more compare that to what your paying a week for all the slackers who can't be bothered to work.[/p][/quote]Agree... UNTIL YOU HAVE DRIVEN A BUS FULL OF Pi55ED UP TW*TS on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night trying to blag a free ride then STOP taking it out on the Bus Drivers! We have the responsibility of up to 100 souls on board PLUS the brainless TW@TS who seem to wander out in to the road thinking they can take on a 17 ton bus (fully loaded). The place is full of suicidal lemmings trying to get themselves killed on their poxy ipods/pads taking no notice of a 40ft long, 14ft high big red & cream metal thing. If it hits you... it hurts! Who is responsible for ALL that?? The Driver. Next time you log on to your cosy pc in your office and send a few emails, think about the responsibility we have? The worst you can do is send an email to the wrong person or spill your coffee... we can kill people through no fault of our own who wander out in the road like it is a footpath, and then have to live with that memory for the rest of our lives. We have a job to do and are NOT responsible for price increases. Got a problem... ask "Mr Go-Ahead" boss in Newcastle who dictates to B&H what to charge so the share holders get their pay out. ALSO you have one of the most frequent, modern fleets outside London (which is subsidised by Bonkers Boris) by the way but comes out of your Council Tax. We have the unfortunate claim to have Stagecoach as our local Bus company who run an HOURLY service (on our route) from 7am to 6pm Mon-Sat ONLY and they charge around £5 for a WORTHING day rider, so stop complaining unless you want "Stagecrap Buses" taking over B&H! The alternative is use those two things connected to your body and WALK or get a MAD CAB and see how far 4.70 gets you then? Your choice. Worthingwithoutbuses!
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