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Brighton and Hove Council to debate restrictions on private rent increases

The Argus: Brighton and Hove Council to debate restrictions on private rent increases Brighton and Hove Council to debate restrictions on private rent increases

COUNCILLORS are set to call for restrictions to be placed on increases in private rent.

A motion will be put to Brighton and Hove City Council tonight by Green councillor Bill Randall calling on the council to put its support behind campaigns to limit how much private landlords can increase their rent.

The call comes as research from housing charity Shelter showed that someone renting privately in Brighton and Hove is paying an average of £959 a month compared with £359.68 for those renting via a housing association.

Speaking ahead of the full council meeting later tonight, Coun Bill Randall, who chairs the housing committee, said: “The Green party believes that rent controls are needed to prevent rents spiralling even further out of control, and to give stability and security to tenants and landlords.”

But Conservative housing spokesman Coun Garry Peltzer Dunn said introducing rent controls would be a disaster for residents.

He said: “State intervention in the housing market has been shown time and time again to choke off the supply because landlords just end up selling their properties or stop renting them out. This would be disastrous for residents here, no doubt forcing many to many out of the city.”

Labour's housing spokesperson Chaun Wilson added: “We support measures to improve stability and security for tenants in the private rented sector.”

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9:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

Terry K says...

Housing stock is not keeping up with the population rise, thus forcing up rents. Half a billion people can come to this country can settle here if they wanted too, only ukip can stop this madness. Another option is to build more council homes on a grand scale somehow.
Housing stock is not keeping up with the population rise, thus forcing up rents. Half a billion people can come to this country can settle here if they wanted too, only ukip can stop this madness. Another option is to build more council homes on a grand scale somehow. Terry K
  • Score: 6

9:59am Thu 27 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

If the Greens really want to restrict rent increases then they need to control other factors that produce those increases. Maybe they'd like to prevent lenders put up interest rates ? Only a simpleton would believe that it is practical and fair to legislate on rent increases.

Besides, why are they wasting precious council time on this ? They are the only Green led council in the land and there is only a single Green MP - how are they going to change the situation ? Drop the debate and get on with fixing things in this city - maybe they'd like to get a for for purpose rubbish and recycling service running ? Oh silly me, they've proven they can't do that already !
If the Greens really want to restrict rent increases then they need to control other factors that produce those increases. Maybe they'd like to prevent lenders put up interest rates ? Only a simpleton would believe that it is practical and fair to legislate on rent increases. Besides, why are they wasting precious council time on this ? They are the only Green led council in the land and there is only a single Green MP - how are they going to change the situation ? Drop the debate and get on with fixing things in this city - maybe they'd like to get a for for purpose rubbish and recycling service running ? Oh silly me, they've proven they can't do that already ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 12

10:02am Thu 27 Mar 14

NickBtn says...

Some of the rent rises have been due to the council themselves so perhaps they should look at themselves as part of the cause?

Licensing for smaller shared houses was introduced in parts of Brighton just over a year ago - costing each around £600 and giving the council £1.5m. The council said rents wouldn't go up - guess what they did as the cost of these licences were paid for by the tenants. Despite not being allowed to make a profit, somehow Brighton charges nearly 4 times what a London council does for its licences.

Has this licensing made a difference to residents main concerns of noise and rubbish? No, as it doesn't deal with this. Instead it deals with room sizes, kitchen cupboards, sinks and so on. Things that potential residents can see for themselves before renting. Poorly thought out, inefficiently and expensively run. Hence the rent rises to pay for it
Some of the rent rises have been due to the council themselves so perhaps they should look at themselves as part of the cause? Licensing for smaller shared houses was introduced in parts of Brighton just over a year ago - costing each around £600 and giving the council £1.5m. The council said rents wouldn't go up - guess what they did as the cost of these licences were paid for by the tenants. Despite not being allowed to make a profit, somehow Brighton charges nearly 4 times what a London council does for its licences. Has this licensing made a difference to residents main concerns of noise and rubbish? No, as it doesn't deal with this. Instead it deals with room sizes, kitchen cupboards, sinks and so on. Things that potential residents can see for themselves before renting. Poorly thought out, inefficiently and expensively run. Hence the rent rises to pay for it NickBtn
  • Score: 17

10:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

brightonaire says...

The large number of student rented properties at around £100 per student per week and mostly paid for by the Government are having a huge and detrimental impact on both property prices and rent levels for properties in the Brighton area.
The rental income levels mean a 4 bed house in a poor state of repair can fetch between £1400 - £1700 per month in rental income and therefore turn a dingy property into a viable investment close to £300,000..... The effect of this ripples out to all other properties in the Brighton area pushing up rents and prices alike.
Add to this the fact that properties occupied solely by students are not paying any council tax which in effect makes everyone elses council tax bill larger in one way or another.
This situation is unsustainable and intolerable and needs legislation introduced urgently, particularly regarding council tax i.e the landlord should be paying it out of their rental incomes.
The large number of student rented properties at around £100 per student per week and mostly paid for by the Government are having a huge and detrimental impact on both property prices and rent levels for properties in the Brighton area. The rental income levels mean a 4 bed house in a poor state of repair can fetch between £1400 - £1700 per month in rental income and therefore turn a dingy property into a viable investment close to £300,000..... The effect of this ripples out to all other properties in the Brighton area pushing up rents and prices alike. Add to this the fact that properties occupied solely by students are not paying any council tax which in effect makes everyone elses council tax bill larger in one way or another. This situation is unsustainable and intolerable and needs legislation introduced urgently, particularly regarding council tax i.e the landlord should be paying it out of their rental incomes. brightonaire
  • Score: 12

10:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

clubrob6 says...

I would go further I would inspect ALL private lettings,if they are sub-standard without sound insulation etc rents should be capped.In B&H what it costs for a sub-standard rabbit hutch studio you could rent a 3 bed house further north.I have lived in several rented flats in brighton and hove most of which had problems.Studio flats should be banned from conversions.
I would go further I would inspect ALL private lettings,if they are sub-standard without sound insulation etc rents should be capped.In B&H what it costs for a sub-standard rabbit hutch studio you could rent a 3 bed house further north.I have lived in several rented flats in brighton and hove most of which had problems.Studio flats should be banned from conversions. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

10:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

brightonaire wrote:
The large number of student rented properties at around £100 per student per week and mostly paid for by the Government are having a huge and detrimental impact on both property prices and rent levels for properties in the Brighton area.
The rental income levels mean a 4 bed house in a poor state of repair can fetch between £1400 - £1700 per month in rental income and therefore turn a dingy property into a viable investment close to £300,000..... The effect of this ripples out to all other properties in the Brighton area pushing up rents and prices alike.
Add to this the fact that properties occupied solely by students are not paying any council tax which in effect makes everyone elses council tax bill larger in one way or another.
This situation is unsustainable and intolerable and needs legislation introduced urgently, particularly regarding council tax i.e the landlord should be paying it out of their rental incomes.
Add council tax to a landlords costs and watch rents rocket ! Why should I, as a landlord, pay council tax for tenants ? I don't use the services - they do.
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: The large number of student rented properties at around £100 per student per week and mostly paid for by the Government are having a huge and detrimental impact on both property prices and rent levels for properties in the Brighton area. The rental income levels mean a 4 bed house in a poor state of repair can fetch between £1400 - £1700 per month in rental income and therefore turn a dingy property into a viable investment close to £300,000..... The effect of this ripples out to all other properties in the Brighton area pushing up rents and prices alike. Add to this the fact that properties occupied solely by students are not paying any council tax which in effect makes everyone elses council tax bill larger in one way or another. This situation is unsustainable and intolerable and needs legislation introduced urgently, particularly regarding council tax i.e the landlord should be paying it out of their rental incomes.[/p][/quote]Add council tax to a landlords costs and watch rents rocket ! Why should I, as a landlord, pay council tax for tenants ? I don't use the services - they do. Fight_Back
  • Score: 9

11:06am Thu 27 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Oh dear politicians do have short memories when they are trying to grandstand do they not.

This country had terrible housing problems in the private rented sector when rents were restricted and it was impossible to regain possession at the end of a tenancy. It was almost impossible to obtain private rented accommodation particularly in cities such as London and Brighton in the 1970s and these restrictions led to some absolutely dreadful abuses by dodgy landlords not least in Brighton.

The introduction by Maggie Thatcher of assured short hold tenancies transformed this picture and meant that we have the vibrant rental market that we do today. However (as also with housing for sale) there is a shortage of supply and demand keeps increasing because of a growing population whether it be because of birthrate or immigration; a classic piece of basic economics short supply: increased demand: prices rise.

Only solution if we want to keep our population growing, build build build in all sectors.

Alternative: restrict population growth by reducing immigration and incentivising lower birth rates.
Oh dear politicians do have short memories when they are trying to grandstand do they not. This country had terrible housing problems in the private rented sector when rents were restricted and it was impossible to regain possession at the end of a tenancy. It was almost impossible to obtain private rented accommodation particularly in cities such as London and Brighton in the 1970s and these restrictions led to some absolutely dreadful abuses by dodgy landlords not least in Brighton. The introduction by Maggie Thatcher of assured short hold tenancies transformed this picture and meant that we have the vibrant rental market that we do today. However (as also with housing for sale) there is a shortage of supply and demand keeps increasing because of a growing population whether it be because of birthrate or immigration; a classic piece of basic economics short supply: increased demand: prices rise. Only solution if we want to keep our population growing, build build build in all sectors. Alternative: restrict population growth by reducing immigration and incentivising lower birth rates. Bluebeef
  • Score: 10

11:23am Thu 27 Mar 14

wexler53 says...

We need state control of any kind like a hole in the head, and even less so from the greens and their ilk.

They should concentrate on providing quality local services for the residents - not grandstanding attempts at national politics.

They are a two bit local minority party who, sadly, got in to power through voter apathy.

Let's ensure they are well and truly sent to the recycling centre at the next election, or sooner if at all possible.
We need state control of any kind like a hole in the head, and even less so from the greens and their ilk. They should concentrate on providing quality local services for the residents - not grandstanding attempts at national politics. They are a two bit local minority party who, sadly, got in to power through voter apathy. Let's ensure they are well and truly sent to the recycling centre at the next election, or sooner if at all possible. wexler53
  • Score: 9

11:48am Thu 27 Mar 14

its cool says...

hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in
brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages
hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages its cool
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

its cool wrote:
hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in
brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages
The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand.
[quote][p][bold]its cool[/bold] wrote: hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages[/p][/quote]The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand. Fight_Back
  • Score: -11

12:17pm Thu 27 Mar 14

brightonaire says...

Fight_Back wrote:
its cool wrote:
hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in
brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages
The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand.
It's so obvious you're a greedy and stingy landlord. You've got £ signs in your eyes with a big bank balance largely funded by the taxpayer and getting more Shylock-like in every comment you make...... I bet you've got a dingy property occupied by students who you don't give a f about...... c u next tuesday
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]its cool[/bold] wrote: hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages[/p][/quote]The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand.[/p][/quote]It's so obvious you're a greedy and stingy landlord. You've got £ signs in your eyes with a big bank balance largely funded by the taxpayer and getting more Shylock-like in every comment you make...... I bet you've got a dingy property occupied by students who you don't give a f about...... c u next tuesday brightonaire
  • Score: 8

12:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

NickBtn says...

clubrob6 wrote:
I would go further I would inspect ALL private lettings,if they are sub-standard without sound insulation etc rents should be capped.In B&H what it costs for a sub-standard rabbit hutch studio you could rent a 3 bed house further north.I have lived in several rented flats in brighton and hove most of which had problems.Studio flats should be banned from conversions.
The council won't be keen to have inspection/licensing on all rental properties as that would also include public/social housing and many of the council's own properties do not meet current standards!

Rent here is more expensive than up North. But so too are house prices and these are linked. Yes, rent is too much here. But so too are house prices. The only way to reduce both is to build more housing of all types. Successive governments and local councils have stopped or delayed development. The greens have done all they can to stop many developments. Meanwhile demand goes up, supply stays the same so prices go up.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: I would go further I would inspect ALL private lettings,if they are sub-standard without sound insulation etc rents should be capped.In B&H what it costs for a sub-standard rabbit hutch studio you could rent a 3 bed house further north.I have lived in several rented flats in brighton and hove most of which had problems.Studio flats should be banned from conversions.[/p][/quote]The council won't be keen to have inspection/licensing on all rental properties as that would also include public/social housing and many of the council's own properties do not meet current standards! Rent here is more expensive than up North. But so too are house prices and these are linked. Yes, rent is too much here. But so too are house prices. The only way to reduce both is to build more housing of all types. Successive governments and local councils have stopped or delayed development. The greens have done all they can to stop many developments. Meanwhile demand goes up, supply stays the same so prices go up. NickBtn
  • Score: 12

12:28pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Goldenwight says...

What a load of guff. apart from anuything else, rent capping is unenforceable- unless BHCC are going to limit Housing Benefit payments, thus forcing all the less wealthy out of the City. Because how many landlords are going to rent a flat at £500 on Housing Benefit when they can get £1000 for the same thing privately?

Which might seem like good news for those on higher incomes who would LIKE to live here but are unable to find anywhere to go. Until, that is, they want to use local services- because all of the refuse collectors, baristas, shop assistants, Council Workers, NHS menial staff, cinema staff, cleaners, childminders, care workers etc have all found alternate work elsewhere because they can't afford to live in the City. So Brighton winds up as a dormitory town with absolutely nothing there. But BRILLIANT news for surrounding councils, since businesses will build their retail and industrial parks nearby where housing and land is cheaper.
What a load of guff. apart from anuything else, rent capping is unenforceable- unless BHCC are going to limit Housing Benefit payments, thus forcing all the less wealthy out of the City. Because how many landlords are going to rent a flat at £500 on Housing Benefit when they can get £1000 for the same thing privately? Which might seem like good news for those on higher incomes who would LIKE to live here but are unable to find anywhere to go. Until, that is, they want to use local services- because all of the refuse collectors, baristas, shop assistants, Council Workers, NHS menial staff, cinema staff, cleaners, childminders, care workers etc have all found alternate work elsewhere because they can't afford to live in the City. So Brighton winds up as a dormitory town with absolutely nothing there. But BRILLIANT news for surrounding councils, since businesses will build their retail and industrial parks nearby where housing and land is cheaper. Goldenwight
  • Score: 7

12:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Usual left-wing rubbish from Brightonaire.
Cap rents then Private landlords stop letting.
Supply gets even smaller rents increase even more.
3 solutions (instead of my usual 2)
1 reduce demand by reducing population increase
2 increase supply by building
3 nationalise everything..........
................ aaaaaah; tried that in Russia under Stalin: did not work very well.

Goldenwight I am old enough to remember when rent capping was in force and enforced by creatures called rent officers: fresh supply dwindled to nothing incentives to evict tenants in a unpleasant ways (see Rachman etc) were enormous. Please do not let us go back to that
Usual left-wing rubbish from Brightonaire. Cap rents then Private landlords stop letting. Supply gets even smaller rents increase even more. 3 solutions (instead of my usual 2) 1 reduce demand by reducing population increase 2 increase supply by building 3 nationalise everything.......... ................ aaaaaah; tried that in Russia under Stalin: did not work very well. Goldenwight I am old enough to remember when rent capping was in force and enforced by creatures called rent officers: fresh supply dwindled to nothing incentives to evict tenants in a unpleasant ways (see Rachman etc) were enormous. Please do not let us go back to that Bluebeef
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

brightonaire wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
its cool wrote:
hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in
brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages
The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand.
It's so obvious you're a greedy and stingy landlord. You've got £ signs in your eyes with a big bank balance largely funded by the taxpayer and getting more Shylock-like in every comment you make...... I bet you've got a dingy property occupied by students who you don't give a f about...... c u next tuesday
Well done - nice balanced and polite debating point you've posted.

As it happens I own no property other than the one I live in ( although the bank owns a majority of it ). I guess that makes you look a little bit silly !

I don't get this "all landlords are rich conning people" attitude. Some people put their spare cash into shares, others into property. If you don't like the rent cost then don't rent the property.

Private property investors haven't pushed up the cost of entry level properties - people willing to pay over the odds have ( and an investor will never pay over the odds ). If all private investors pulled out there wouldn't be a sudden property price crash - people would still need deposits of 10% etc to be able to get a mortgage ( if they even could ).
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]its cool[/bold] wrote: hi i believe it would be a good idea to cap the rents in brighton and hove as i can not see how some of these people can afford the rents i no of one block of flats where a 2 bedroom flat is £650.00 a month and another identical flat in the same block is £950.00 come on some people only eran that a month in wages[/p][/quote]The first flat is under priced then ! Why should there be a cap ? Is there cap on property prices for people that want to buy ? No. It is simple supply and demand.[/p][/quote]It's so obvious you're a greedy and stingy landlord. You've got £ signs in your eyes with a big bank balance largely funded by the taxpayer and getting more Shylock-like in every comment you make...... I bet you've got a dingy property occupied by students who you don't give a f about...... c u next tuesday[/p][/quote]Well done - nice balanced and polite debating point you've posted. As it happens I own no property other than the one I live in ( although the bank owns a majority of it ). I guess that makes you look a little bit silly ! I don't get this "all landlords are rich conning people" attitude. Some people put their spare cash into shares, others into property. If you don't like the rent cost then don't rent the property. Private property investors haven't pushed up the cost of entry level properties - people willing to pay over the odds have ( and an investor will never pay over the odds ). If all private investors pulled out there wouldn't be a sudden property price crash - people would still need deposits of 10% etc to be able to get a mortgage ( if they even could ). Fight_Back
  • Score: 7

1:42pm Thu 27 Mar 14

ronrostog says...

The south-east is overpopulated. Small amounts of house building in towns or villages would not have a vast effect to those already there but anything bigger would. I'm afraid there has always been the one real solution: Sort out our borders and stop large scale immigration. It's been bloody obvious for years. However, whilst we are in the EU we can't. More people=more housing=more local problems=lower quality of life. And so on and on it goes.....
The south-east is overpopulated. Small amounts of house building in towns or villages would not have a vast effect to those already there but anything bigger would. I'm afraid there has always been the one real solution: Sort out our borders and stop large scale immigration. It's been bloody obvious for years. However, whilst we are in the EU we can't. More people=more housing=more local problems=lower quality of life. And so on and on it goes..... ronrostog
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Thu 27 Mar 14

DaRMiH says...

Rent control... it makes for a fairer world. Landlords can still make a decent profit and tenants can pay decent rents
Rent control... it makes for a fairer world. Landlords can still make a decent profit and tenants can pay decent rents DaRMiH
  • Score: -7

3:50pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Poor Red Billy Randal is seriously losing the plot. Good job he has decided not to stand at the next election or he might go the same way as his mate and fellow commie Bob Crow. Hands off our businesses Silly Billy.
Poor Red Billy Randal is seriously losing the plot. Good job he has decided not to stand at the next election or he might go the same way as his mate and fellow commie Bob Crow. Hands off our businesses Silly Billy. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Andy R says...

Presumably none of you will have the brass neck to complain about the spiralling cost of housing benefit then? Housing Benefit, or to give it it's proper title, Welfare for the Wealthy. In the last 30 years the cost of housing benefit has quadrupled, yet the number of people getting it has stayed virtually the same. Go figure.

Don't believe the wailings of the self-interested on here. Strangely it turns out plenty of people let and plenty of people rented in the "bad old days" of rent control. What changed was Thatcher's decision to deregulate rented housing (letting private rents rise, selling off council housing and starting the process of letting social and private rents "converge"), all underwritten by the vast subsidy called housing benefit. Her housing minister George Young said as much. "Housing benefit will take the strain" he declared. Now, today's Tories bemoan the cost!
Presumably none of you will have the brass neck to complain about the spiralling cost of housing benefit then? Housing Benefit, or to give it it's proper title, Welfare for the Wealthy. In the last 30 years the cost of housing benefit has quadrupled, yet the number of people getting it has stayed virtually the same. Go figure. Don't believe the wailings of the self-interested on here. Strangely it turns out plenty of people let and plenty of people rented in the "bad old days" of rent control. What changed was Thatcher's decision to deregulate rented housing (letting private rents rise, selling off council housing and starting the process of letting social and private rents "converge"), all underwritten by the vast subsidy called housing benefit. Her housing minister George Young said as much. "Housing benefit will take the strain" he declared. Now, today's Tories bemoan the cost! Andy R
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Thu 27 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Rent controls worked fine, and certainly better than our current shambles, until they were scrapped by a Tory government eager to make money for their better off supporters. I had my rent reduced by a fair rent officer years ago. The system also works elsewhere, Germany for example where housing booms have been noticeable by their abscence. Of course rent controls are only a part of what needs to be done including building millions of social and private housing. The market has failed as usual except for those at the top.
Rent controls worked fine, and certainly better than our current shambles, until they were scrapped by a Tory government eager to make money for their better off supporters. I had my rent reduced by a fair rent officer years ago. The system also works elsewhere, Germany for example where housing booms have been noticeable by their abscence. Of course rent controls are only a part of what needs to be done including building millions of social and private housing. The market has failed as usual except for those at the top. HJarrs
  • Score: -7

6:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Vigilia says...

On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.”
Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited.
It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs.
On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.” Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited. It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs. Vigilia
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Thu 27 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Vigilia wrote:
On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.”
Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited.
It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs.
So speaks a supporter of a party that got us into this mess in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.” Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited. It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs.[/p][/quote]So speaks a supporter of a party that got us into this mess in the first place. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

6:40pm Thu 27 Mar 14

HJarrs says...

Vigilia wrote:
On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.”
Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited.
It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs.
So speaks a supporter of a party that got us into this mess in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: On 6 May 2012, the then Leader of the council, Bill Randall, said in a statement to the Argus, “We have followed the practice of previous administrations, to sometimes use the policy of short-term toleration of unauthorised encampments to cut the costs of endless evictions, and reduce distress to all involved. However we will never use public parks as tolerated sites. As far as we are concerned they are absolutely inappropriate for unauthorised encampments, and we will always work with the police to move travellers on if they camp on public parks.” Nothing came of that and nothing will come of this so one shouldn't get too excited. It's nothing but gesture politics, bluff and bluster with these crass amateurs.[/p][/quote]So speaks a supporter of a party that got us into this mess in the first place. HJarrs
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2:33am Fri 28 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Rent controls worked fine, and certainly better than our current shambles, until they were scrapped by a Tory government eager to make money for their better off supporters. I had my rent reduced by a fair rent officer years ago. The system also works elsewhere, Germany for example where housing booms have been noticeable by their abscence. Of course rent controls are only a part of what needs to be done including building millions of social and private housing. The market has failed as usual except for those at the top.
how many houses have the green built ,over and above the last councils
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Rent controls worked fine, and certainly better than our current shambles, until they were scrapped by a Tory government eager to make money for their better off supporters. I had my rent reduced by a fair rent officer years ago. The system also works elsewhere, Germany for example where housing booms have been noticeable by their abscence. Of course rent controls are only a part of what needs to be done including building millions of social and private housing. The market has failed as usual except for those at the top.[/p][/quote]how many houses have the green built ,over and above the last councils whatevernext2013
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2:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

DaRMiH wrote:
Rent control... it makes for a fairer world. Landlords can still make a decent profit and tenants can pay decent rents
wake up ,who ever told you its a fair world was telling you lies
[quote][p][bold]DaRMiH[/bold] wrote: Rent control... it makes for a fairer world. Landlords can still make a decent profit and tenants can pay decent rents[/p][/quote]wake up ,who ever told you its a fair world was telling you lies whatevernext2013
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2:39am Fri 28 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

ronrostog wrote:
The south-east is overpopulated. Small amounts of house building in towns or villages would not have a vast effect to those already there but anything bigger would. I'm afraid there has always been the one real solution: Sort out our borders and stop large scale immigration. It's been bloody obvious for years. However, whilst we are in the EU we can't. More people=more housing=more local problems=lower quality of life. And so on and on it goes.....
sins of your fathers ,if you had not raped and robbed the world when you ruled the waves ,there would be far fewer none british in the uk to day
[quote][p][bold]ronrostog[/bold] wrote: The south-east is overpopulated. Small amounts of house building in towns or villages would not have a vast effect to those already there but anything bigger would. I'm afraid there has always been the one real solution: Sort out our borders and stop large scale immigration. It's been bloody obvious for years. However, whilst we are in the EU we can't. More people=more housing=more local problems=lower quality of life. And so on and on it goes.....[/p][/quote]sins of your fathers ,if you had not raped and robbed the world when you ruled the waves ,there would be far fewer none british in the uk to day whatevernext2013
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4:38pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Bluebeef says...

Andy R wrote:
Presumably none of you will have the brass neck to complain about the spiralling cost of housing benefit then? Housing Benefit, or to give it it's proper title, Welfare for the Wealthy. In the last 30 years the cost of housing benefit has quadrupled, yet the number of people getting it has stayed virtually the same. Go figure.

Don't believe the wailings of the self-interested on here. Strangely it turns out plenty of people let and plenty of people rented in the "bad old days" of rent control. What changed was Thatcher's decision to deregulate rented housing (letting private rents rise, selling off council housing and starting the process of letting social and private rents "converge"), all underwritten by the vast subsidy called housing benefit. Her housing minister George Young said as much. "Housing benefit will take the strain" he declared. Now, today's Tories bemoan the cost!
"Plenty of people let and plenty people rented": no they did not: I know I was there and involved. Some of our favourite landlords cut their teeth during that era: Rachman, Hoogstraten etc: read your history carefully: those who do not are doomed to repeat it.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Presumably none of you will have the brass neck to complain about the spiralling cost of housing benefit then? Housing Benefit, or to give it it's proper title, Welfare for the Wealthy. In the last 30 years the cost of housing benefit has quadrupled, yet the number of people getting it has stayed virtually the same. Go figure. Don't believe the wailings of the self-interested on here. Strangely it turns out plenty of people let and plenty of people rented in the "bad old days" of rent control. What changed was Thatcher's decision to deregulate rented housing (letting private rents rise, selling off council housing and starting the process of letting social and private rents "converge"), all underwritten by the vast subsidy called housing benefit. Her housing minister George Young said as much. "Housing benefit will take the strain" he declared. Now, today's Tories bemoan the cost![/p][/quote]"Plenty of people let and plenty people rented": no they did not: I know I was there and involved. Some of our favourite landlords cut their teeth during that era: Rachman, Hoogstraten etc: read your history carefully: those who do not are doomed to repeat it. Bluebeef
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