Strike action ultimatum issued in Brighton and Hove over bins

Last year's bin strike saw the streets strewn with rubbish

Last year's bin strike saw the streets strewn with rubbish

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More bin strikes could be on the cards in Brighton and Hove as refuse workers are left frustrated by the reorganisation of rounds.

The GMB union announced yesterday that they intend to ballot on strike action in the city.

Yesterday the GMB Sussex Branch tweeted: "Today we inform Brighton and Hove City Council our intention to ballot for industrial action on refuse and recycling."

They said the reason for the ballot was "the repeated failure to consult with the workforce on the round reorganisation that's causing chaos in the city".

They also tweeted: "We have written to the chief exec today and given until Friday to meet or seek resolution before starting the official process."

This announcement comes after residents were left frustrated by months of problems with refuse collection in the city.

Problems such as broken down vehicles, missed collections and issues with communal recycling bins have been reported as some residents face backlogs of rubbish.

What problems have you faced with rubbish collection? Email your stories to henry.holloway@theargus.co.uk

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8:05am Thu 3 Apr 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Since the "reorganisation" even months ago, collections across the city have never been on schedule. People are sick of it. Just why are we still paying Geoff Raw, who is directly responsible for this fiasco? Time to give him his P45 and send him on his way without a payoff.
Since the "reorganisation" even months ago, collections across the city have never been on schedule. People are sick of it. Just why are we still paying Geoff Raw, who is directly responsible for this fiasco? Time to give him his P45 and send him on his way without a payoff. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 56

8:11am Thu 3 Apr 14

opentopper34 says...

Since the rounds were meddled with I am now faced with guessing which day my recycling is collected. The council are expecting the crews to do more with less and they also say it will mean a better service. Hmmm, don't think so.
Since the rounds were meddled with I am now faced with guessing which day my recycling is collected. The council are expecting the crews to do more with less and they also say it will mean a better service. Hmmm, don't think so. opentopper34
  • Score: 43

8:20am Thu 3 Apr 14

Can this be says...

... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue.
... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue. Can this be
  • Score: 46

8:27am Thu 3 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

Totally agree fredflintstone1. Geoff Raw needs to show some kahunas and start earning his £125,000 salary. If he's not up to it (and I suspect he isn't) he should get the hell out of Brighton and Hove and make way for someone who is.

We can't go on like this. He either needs to take disciplinary action against the Binmen and put them on the defensive or he needs to agree with them that the reorganisation of the rounds hasn't worked. The status quo where no one's happy (neither residents, workers or council employers) can't continue anymore.

Show some balls Raw!
Totally agree fredflintstone1. Geoff Raw needs to show some kahunas and start earning his £125,000 salary. If he's not up to it (and I suspect he isn't) he should get the hell out of Brighton and Hove and make way for someone who is. We can't go on like this. He either needs to take disciplinary action against the Binmen and put them on the defensive or he needs to agree with them that the reorganisation of the rounds hasn't worked. The status quo where no one's happy (neither residents, workers or council employers) can't continue anymore. Show some balls Raw! Quiterie
  • Score: 50

9:08am Thu 3 Apr 14

comanche762 says...

to be honest where i live you would know whether they're on strike or not our bins havent been collected for 2 weeks again and no explanation or response from the council when you mail them , once anything is past boundry rd they dont care , when they do arrive they're in such a rush catching up that the road is left a mess afterwards
to be honest where i live you would know whether they're on strike or not our bins havent been collected for 2 weeks again and no explanation or response from the council when you mail them , once anything is past boundry rd they dont care , when they do arrive they're in such a rush catching up that the road is left a mess afterwards comanche762
  • Score: 25

9:10am Thu 3 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Before the reorganisation the service was pretty good. Since it has been dire. I don't blame the binmen either - the blame lies squarely with the managers of Cityclean, Geoff Raw and Jason Kitcat.

Any sensible project manager would have a rollback plan should things go wrong and that is true in ANY industry. Unbelievably Cityclean got rid of dust carts BEFORE the project was proven a success. P*ss Poor Project Management ! Time to sack Geoff Raw.
Before the reorganisation the service was pretty good. Since it has been dire. I don't blame the binmen either - the blame lies squarely with the managers of Cityclean, Geoff Raw and Jason Kitcat. Any sensible project manager would have a rollback plan should things go wrong and that is true in ANY industry. Unbelievably Cityclean got rid of dust carts BEFORE the project was proven a success. P*ss Poor Project Management ! Time to sack Geoff Raw. Fight_Back
  • Score: 35

9:10am Thu 3 Apr 14

Roundbill says...

Wait, what? I assumed they'd been on strike for the past month. Does that mean some of you out there HAVE had your recycling collected recently?
Wait, what? I assumed they'd been on strike for the past month. Does that mean some of you out there HAVE had your recycling collected recently? Roundbill
  • Score: 22

9:10am Thu 3 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Can this be wrote:
... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue.
@Can this be - I expect the council and councilors will, like last time, say it is nothing to do with them, but is between CityClean, GMB, and the workers.

CityClean is a wholly council owned subsidiary and CityClean have no real management - this having been outsourced to the GMB who really run the show.

Superior Kitcat will sit in his ivory tower and tweet his thoughts on the matter whilst writing indecipherable papers to his personal web site.

The green supporters will blame the government, big business, previous administrations, and the 'moanarati' for the situation, whilst splitting into the green-left supporting the workers and the green-central having a bowl of muesli.

The green MP will support the strikers and get a new t-shirt printed.

The anti-greens will just leave the situation to develop, since if they help, then the greens will claim it as a victory for them. As such it is in their interest to allow this to develop badly.

And we know who will really suffer in the end. We need some people in the council with 'balls' to take control of the situation - unfortunately they all seem to be owned by GMB.
[quote][p][bold]Can this be[/bold] wrote: ... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue.[/p][/quote]@Can this be - I expect the council and councilors will, like last time, say it is nothing to do with them, but is between CityClean, GMB, and the workers. CityClean is a wholly council owned subsidiary and CityClean have no real management - this having been outsourced to the GMB who really run the show. Superior Kitcat will sit in his ivory tower and tweet his thoughts on the matter whilst writing indecipherable papers to his personal web site. The green supporters will blame the government, big business, previous administrations, and the 'moanarati' for the situation, whilst splitting into the green-left supporting the workers and the green-central having a bowl of muesli. The green MP will support the strikers and get a new t-shirt printed. The anti-greens will just leave the situation to develop, since if they help, then the greens will claim it as a victory for them. As such it is in their interest to allow this to develop badly. And we know who will really suffer in the end. We need some people in the council with 'balls' to take control of the situation - unfortunately they all seem to be owned by GMB. pachallis
  • Score: 22

9:11am Thu 3 Apr 14

Brighton90 says...

When you do contact the council about this problem they just have an automatic e-mail that states 'we are aware of missed collections.' Well do something about it then, rather than just sit around and watch residents of the city getting angrier and angrier as their bins haven't been collected.
When you do contact the council about this problem they just have an automatic e-mail that states 'we are aware of missed collections.' Well do something about it then, rather than just sit around and watch residents of the city getting angrier and angrier as their bins haven't been collected. Brighton90
  • Score: 25

9:41am Thu 3 Apr 14

Morpheus says...

Why doesn't the Argus meet with the union and find out exactly what they are complaining about and what solutions they have and publish the details in the paper so that we can all understand the resins for this. Then they can give the council the chance to respond. Let us have these disputes in the public domain. after all we are the ones who suffer.
Why doesn't the Argus meet with the union and find out exactly what they are complaining about and what solutions they have and publish the details in the paper so that we can all understand the resins for this. Then they can give the council the chance to respond. Let us have these disputes in the public domain. after all we are the ones who suffer. Morpheus
  • Score: 29

9:52am Thu 3 Apr 14

birthofanorange says...

I expect the blame will be attributed to the 4.75% Council Tax rise that our wonderfully efficient Council failed to get.
Oh, and yes - I assumed they were on strike already, judging by the constantly overflowing bins in my area.
I expect the blame will be attributed to the 4.75% Council Tax rise that our wonderfully efficient Council failed to get. Oh, and yes - I assumed they were on strike already, judging by the constantly overflowing bins in my area. birthofanorange
  • Score: 23

9:56am Thu 3 Apr 14

albion seagull says...

Wish the GMB would pull their finger out for us. We've been told by a national company were not having a pay rise for at least 5 yrs and surprise surprise the GMB are sitting back !
Wish the GMB would pull their finger out for us. We've been told by a national company were not having a pay rise for at least 5 yrs and surprise surprise the GMB are sitting back ! albion seagull
  • Score: 2

9:58am Thu 3 Apr 14

Roundbill says...

I've just phoned the council to ask what's going on with the missed recycling collections. The bloke's response was that they'd got so far behind with the collection, they'd decided not to bother - but hopefully they'd be back on track by the time it was due to do our area again. I can't be bothered to second-guess their movements any more: when they DO bother to come, they put yellow tape over about a fifth of the boxes in the street and leave them unemptied. I'll just put everything in the rubbish bin instead - at least that sometimes gets emptied.
I've just phoned the council to ask what's going on with the missed recycling collections. The bloke's response was that they'd got so far behind with the collection, they'd decided not to bother - but hopefully they'd be back on track by the time it was due to do our area again. I can't be bothered to second-guess their movements any more: when they DO bother to come, they put yellow tape over about a fifth of the boxes in the street and leave them unemptied. I'll just put everything in the rubbish bin instead - at least that sometimes gets emptied. Roundbill
  • Score: 16

10:01am Thu 3 Apr 14

birthofanorange says...

Morpheus wrote:
Why doesn't the Argus meet with the union and find out exactly what they are complaining about and what solutions they have and publish the details in the paper so that we can all understand the resins for this. Then they can give the council the chance to respond. Let us have these disputes in the public domain. after all we are the ones who suffer.
If 'resin' is involved, then I can fully understand the apparent apathy and lethargy of those partaking....
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't the Argus meet with the union and find out exactly what they are complaining about and what solutions they have and publish the details in the paper so that we can all understand the resins for this. Then they can give the council the chance to respond. Let us have these disputes in the public domain. after all we are the ones who suffer.[/p][/quote]If 'resin' is involved, then I can fully understand the apparent apathy and lethargy of those partaking.... birthofanorange
  • Score: 9

10:28am Thu 3 Apr 14

Hollysmalls says...

It's not just the bins...

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11121422.
One_in_five_Brighton
_jobs_at_Mears_under
_threat/?ref=mr
It's not just the bins... http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11121422. One_in_five_Brighton _jobs_at_Mears_under _threat/?ref=mr Hollysmalls
  • Score: 4

11:02am Thu 3 Apr 14

Dealing with idiots says...

I seem to remember that when this happend last time, some wag posted the addresses of certain councillors on lamp posts saying that they would be happy to store your domestic waste at their homes until the strike was over. Could HJars provide a similar service for us as well?
I seem to remember that when this happend last time, some wag posted the addresses of certain councillors on lamp posts saying that they would be happy to store your domestic waste at their homes until the strike was over. Could HJars provide a similar service for us as well? Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 15

11:10am Thu 3 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

Go back to to the old days.?Oh no of course it was too much hard work for a lot of money.I have been informed it all ends up in the same place.
Go back to to the old days.?Oh no of course it was too much hard work for a lot of money.I have been informed it all ends up in the same place. Joshiman
  • Score: 3

11:24am Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether? Richada
  • Score: 10

11:40am Thu 3 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable !
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 9

11:58am Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable !
Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable ![/p][/quote]Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road? Richada
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Richada wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable !
Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road?
He's had the uphill part reduced to a single lane and is campaigning to have the speed limit reduced from 60mph to 30mph.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable ![/p][/quote]Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road?[/p][/quote]He's had the uphill part reduced to a single lane and is campaigning to have the speed limit reduced from 60mph to 30mph. Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Zamora25 says...

Sack the lot of them and give their jobs to someone who actually wants to do the job!
Sack the lot of them and give their jobs to someone who actually wants to do the job! Zamora25
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Richada wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable !
Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road?
He's had the uphill part reduced to a single lane and is campaigning to have the speed limit reduced from 60mph to 30mph.
How totally pointless!

REALLY haven't they got better things to do.....

.......like getting the bins sorted

.............justify
ing the i360

...................f
ixing the sea front?

On reflection, it is all beyond them, so, probably not!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Cllr Ann Norman is only interested in one thing - her husband's campaign to make Mill Road undriveable ![/p][/quote]Off topic comment here - but what exactly does he wand done with Mill Road?[/p][/quote]He's had the uphill part reduced to a single lane and is campaigning to have the speed limit reduced from 60mph to 30mph.[/p][/quote]How totally pointless! REALLY haven't they got better things to do..... .......like getting the bins sorted .............justify ing the i360 ...................f ixing the sea front? On reflection, it is all beyond them, so, probably not! Richada
  • Score: 6

12:16pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Zamora25 wrote:
Sack the lot of them and give their jobs to someone who actually wants to do the job!
Agreed, but wanting and being capable of doing the job appear to be mutually exclusive.
[quote][p][bold]Zamora25[/bold] wrote: Sack the lot of them and give their jobs to someone who actually wants to do the job![/p][/quote]Agreed, but wanting and being capable of doing the job appear to be mutually exclusive. Richada
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Lionsgate666 says...

Oh really?? I thought they WERE on strike as they randomly collect the rubbish anyway by the looks of it. Whenever they feel like it. And when they do come out to collect they do forget to take everything with them. Many times i come home and there is half of it just being ignored and left for the seagulls to have a party. I really think there should a lot of P45's handed out and hire people who do want to work and do the job properly! They are an embarrassment to this city!!
Oh really?? I thought they WERE on strike as they randomly collect the rubbish anyway by the looks of it. Whenever they feel like it. And when they do come out to collect they do forget to take everything with them. Many times i come home and there is half of it just being ignored and left for the seagulls to have a party. I really think there should a lot of P45's handed out and hire people who do want to work and do the job properly! They are an embarrassment to this city!! Lionsgate666
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

To what extent have the employees of cityclean worked wholeheartedly and without reservation to make the new systems work?
To what extent have the employees of cityclean worked wholeheartedly and without reservation to make the new systems work? Plantpot
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Ultimately Geoff Raw (the Council Director who oversees Cityclean) is responsible. Did I mention he has a £125,000 salary (plus mahoosive eye-watering pension contributions)? The buck stops with him. He needs to grow a pair and sort out this mess. His salary is just shy of the Prime Minister's. That's what he gets paid for.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Ultimately Geoff Raw (the Council Director who oversees Cityclean) is responsible. Did I mention he has a £125,000 salary (plus mahoosive eye-watering pension contributions)? The buck stops with him. He needs to grow a pair and sort out this mess. His salary is just shy of the Prime Minister's. That's what he gets paid for. Quiterie
  • Score: 14

12:59pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Valerie Paynter says...

I have watched these poor bin men doing what they can with the system that flogs them like 19th century work horses or inmates of WW2 prisoner of war camps. That is the view of their working conditions from here.

It used to be worse when they had to haul bins on their backs and climb steps to get them out of basement areas to their trucks. But collection was more reliable then too. Maybe go back to that? Dump all the street furniture outside every home on collection day, all those wheelie bins out there - except for those collecting recyclables only and normal street bins for pedestrian use (put lots more of those on the streets).

The chaos is bizarre. The reduced recycling levels obscene under a Green Party Administration.
I have watched these poor bin men doing what they can with the system that flogs them like 19th century work horses or inmates of WW2 prisoner of war camps. That is the view of their working conditions from here. It used to be worse when they had to haul bins on their backs and climb steps to get them out of basement areas to their trucks. But collection was more reliable then too. Maybe go back to that? Dump all the street furniture outside every home on collection day, all those wheelie bins out there - except for those collecting recyclables only and normal street bins for pedestrian use (put lots more of those on the streets). The chaos is bizarre. The reduced recycling levels obscene under a Green Party Administration. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Thu 3 Apr 14

tinker111 says...

SOON BE GREEN WITH ROT IS THIS WHAT THEY WANT ????
SOON BE GREEN WITH ROT IS THIS WHAT THEY WANT ???? tinker111
  • Score: 7

1:11pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Can this be wrote:
... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue.
I'll tell you definitively what they are doing, shall I? Are you sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin.

It is all very simple for councillors really. They wait for an officer to tell them what to think and what to tell their residents in an appropriately authoritative voice with the right sort of composure so residents will believe it and go away.

if a councillor forgets their place (!) and decides to dig a bit....you know....probe! officers wheel out old faithful: the endless obfuscatory, faux-baffled, multi-cc'd emails that you can never quite pin down or fathom as they mercilessly bear down on anyone looking too closely at what they barely cope with themselves. With each email 'response' the walls of support from their colleagues toughens and the word 'complaint' or 'blacklist' hoves into the edges of consciousness. Can you take them on if they make that move on you for just seeking to get to the bottom on things? Won't the CEO help you out here?

How many days, weeks, months does anyone have to push it? After all there are other issues, other residents, Party commitments......

Best not to expect it. Do an FOI and do it knowing you may be in for a two-year project.
[quote][p][bold]Can this be[/bold] wrote: ... and so it goes on, week after week, month after month. What are our 54 local Councillors doing about it? Someone, somewhere needs to grab hold of the issue.[/p][/quote]I'll tell you definitively what they are doing, shall I? Are you sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin. It is all very simple for councillors really. They wait for an officer to tell them what to think and what to tell their residents in an appropriately authoritative voice with the right sort of composure so residents will believe it and go away. if a councillor forgets their place (!) and decides to dig a bit....you know....probe! officers wheel out old faithful: the endless obfuscatory, faux-baffled, multi-cc'd emails that you can never quite pin down or fathom as they mercilessly bear down on anyone looking too closely at what they barely cope with themselves. With each email 'response' the walls of support from their colleagues toughens and the word 'complaint' or 'blacklist' hoves into the edges of consciousness. Can you take them on if they make that move on you for just seeking to get to the bottom on things? Won't the CEO help you out here? How many days, weeks, months does anyone have to push it? After all there are other issues, other residents, Party commitments...... Best not to expect it. Do an FOI and do it knowing you may be in for a two-year project. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 3

1:11pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Bugzy84 says...

The whole system is impractical and outdated, Cityclean need to phase in the Envac system that countries like Sweden, Denmark, America and Spain have installed.
The system uses underground tubes and air vacuum technology that take all the waste & recyclables to a terminals where it is collected from.
This will result in major benefits for all residents of our city.

-No collection trucks will need to clog up the roads to collect from hundreds of individual bins, just from the terminals, less congestion for cars and not being stuck behind one up a one way street

- Streets are cleaner, being a sealed system and automatic collections, overflowing bins will be a distant memory and pests like rats and seagulls will decline as the will no longer have access to this food source

- Cheaper to operate & less pollution, with so few collection trucks needed and the system only relying on electricity to run the costs are greatly reduced along with the pollution generated by diesel engines

Cityclean can then apply more resources and labour to the things that the system can't collect like bulky waste/furniture, cleaning grime off pavements such as the kilotons of gum, cleaning the litter stupid people just drop instead of walking that 5ft to a bin.
The whole system is impractical and outdated, Cityclean need to phase in the Envac system that countries like Sweden, Denmark, America and Spain have installed. The system uses underground tubes and air vacuum technology that take all the waste & recyclables to a terminals where it is collected from. This will result in major benefits for all residents of our city. -No collection trucks will need to clog up the roads to collect from hundreds of individual bins, just from the terminals, less congestion for cars and not being stuck behind one up a one way street - Streets are cleaner, being a sealed system and automatic collections, overflowing bins will be a distant memory and pests like rats and seagulls will decline as the will no longer have access to this food source - Cheaper to operate & less pollution, with so few collection trucks needed and the system only relying on electricity to run the costs are greatly reduced along with the pollution generated by diesel engines Cityclean can then apply more resources and labour to the things that the system can't collect like bulky waste/furniture, cleaning grime off pavements such as the kilotons of gum, cleaning the litter stupid people just drop instead of walking that 5ft to a bin. Bugzy84
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Thu 3 Apr 14

MuammarQaddafi says...

If the binmen went on strike, who would notice?
If the binmen went on strike, who would notice? MuammarQaddafi
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Joshiman wrote:
Go back to to the old days.?Oh no of course it was too much hard work for a lot of money.I have been informed it all ends up in the same place.
You can make an appointment with a group of others to be taken round the Veolia recycling happening at Hollingdean. Where do they get all their stuff for separation, bundling, etc. if "it all ends up i the same place" ...... ?
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Go back to to the old days.?Oh no of course it was too much hard work for a lot of money.I have been informed it all ends up in the same place.[/p][/quote]You can make an appointment with a group of others to be taken round the Veolia recycling happening at Hollingdean. Where do they get all their stuff for separation, bundling, etc. if "it all ends up i the same place" ...... ? Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Quiterie wrote:
Richada wrote:
Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation.

Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city.

The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot!

The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel.

Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?
Ultimately Geoff Raw (the Council Director who oversees Cityclean) is responsible. Did I mention he has a £125,000 salary (plus mahoosive eye-watering pension contributions)? The buck stops with him. He needs to grow a pair and sort out this mess. His salary is just shy of the Prime Minister's. That's what he gets paid for.
Fair enough - get it sorted or GO!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: Reading the comments here obviously I'm not the only one sick to the back teeth with this situation. Over the last six months we've seen so much buck-passing (and spin) on this subject that nobody truly has a clue just who is responsible for the chaotic mess the refuse and recycling has degenerated into in this city. The councillors really don't give a d@mn - I emailed my local, Conservative, Councillor (Ann Norman) between Christmas and the New Year on this subject and didn't even receive an acknowledgement to my email. If they don't care about the council tax payers of this city, why on earth should they expect us to vote for them? All they are interested in doing is basking in the "glory" of the i360 whilst the rest of the services in the city go to pot! The new financial year is about to start - think I'll go on a council tax paying strike until the services that we pay for are actually provided. If BT or EDF treated us like this we wouldn't still be buying their services, yet the council have us over a barrel. Maybe Ms Lucas would like to propose nationalising the council and have done away with it altogether?[/p][/quote]Ultimately Geoff Raw (the Council Director who oversees Cityclean) is responsible. Did I mention he has a £125,000 salary (plus mahoosive eye-watering pension contributions)? The buck stops with him. He needs to grow a pair and sort out this mess. His salary is just shy of the Prime Minister's. That's what he gets paid for.[/p][/quote]Fair enough - get it sorted or GO! Richada
  • Score: 5

6:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Boloney-marshal says...

reorganisation of rounds - Sounds a bit like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic
reorganisation of rounds - Sounds a bit like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic Boloney-marshal
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Thu 3 Apr 14

uwho99 says...

Its a Well paid job the problem is the lazy workforce that don’t want to work after 12pm sack the lot of them
Its a Well paid job the problem is the lazy workforce that don’t want to work after 12pm sack the lot of them uwho99
  • Score: 5

8:44pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Richada says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
reorganisation of rounds - Sounds a bit like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic
Yes indeed, that is what appeared to sink the refuse and recycling service, but what was the iceberg? Council, Management, Union or Workforce?
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: reorganisation of rounds - Sounds a bit like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic[/p][/quote]Yes indeed, that is what appeared to sink the refuse and recycling service, but what was the iceberg? Council, Management, Union or Workforce? Richada
  • Score: 4

9:09am Fri 4 Apr 14

FC says...

albion seagull wrote:
Wish the GMB would pull their finger out for us. We've been told by a national company were not having a pay rise for at least 5 yrs and surprise surprise the GMB are sitting back !
You mean... A Union isn't helping it's members? OMG SHOCK HORROR

21st Century Unions are NOT there for the workers. Unions have not been any use to anyone since the 60s/70s/80s. All they do now is prevent companies from firing lazy workers and force companies to apply unaffordable pay rises which result in lost jobs.
[quote][p][bold]albion seagull[/bold] wrote: Wish the GMB would pull their finger out for us. We've been told by a national company were not having a pay rise for at least 5 yrs and surprise surprise the GMB are sitting back ![/p][/quote]You mean... A Union isn't helping it's members? OMG SHOCK HORROR 21st Century Unions are NOT there for the workers. Unions have not been any use to anyone since the 60s/70s/80s. All they do now is prevent companies from firing lazy workers and force companies to apply unaffordable pay rises which result in lost jobs. FC
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Fairfax Aches says...

I wish these layabout bin men would stop moaning and get on with what they're told to do. Bob Crows dead and the days of union dictatorship are over!
Their job and terms are such a soft touch they might as well be on holiday anyway. Want more money? Learn some decent skills then-plenty of Bulgarian and Romanians itching to take your place. Otherwise, pick up the bins, pick up your fat paycheques, keep your traps shut and be glad about it!
I wish these layabout bin men would stop moaning and get on with what they're told to do. Bob Crows dead and the days of union dictatorship are over! Their job and terms are such a soft touch they might as well be on holiday anyway. Want more money? Learn some decent skills then-plenty of Bulgarian and Romanians itching to take your place. Otherwise, pick up the bins, pick up your fat paycheques, keep your traps shut and be glad about it! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Fri 4 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

To do a job, any job, you need the equipment and the time to do it. If you have neither the equipment nor the time scale appropriate to the task then no matter how much or how little you are paid, you will not be able to do the job.

The sad facts are that the equipment provided is inadequate, the new rounds mean that the time scales are unreasonable and so the pay is a moot point at this moment in time.
To do a job, any job, you need the equipment and the time to do it. If you have neither the equipment nor the time scale appropriate to the task then no matter how much or how little you are paid, you will not be able to do the job. The sad facts are that the equipment provided is inadequate, the new rounds mean that the time scales are unreasonable and so the pay is a moot point at this moment in time. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Fri 4 Apr 14

kopite_rob says...

I just leave my bin & recycling boxes out 24/7 in the hope that every now and then they might get emptied.
I don't really think anyone will notice a strike as the bins are always overflowing anyway.
I just leave my bin & recycling boxes out 24/7 in the hope that every now and then they might get emptied. I don't really think anyone will notice a strike as the bins are always overflowing anyway. kopite_rob
  • Score: 3

8:00pm Sat 5 Apr 14

stumpyshimmans says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Since the "reorganisation
" even months ago, collections across the city have never been on schedule. People are sick of it. Just why are we still paying Geoff Raw, who is directly responsible for this fiasco? Time to give him his P45 and send him on his way without a payoff.
Penny appointed him, why hasn't the Penny dropped yet! Penny dreadful, Jason dire!
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Since the "reorganisation " even months ago, collections across the city have never been on schedule. People are sick of it. Just why are we still paying Geoff Raw, who is directly responsible for this fiasco? Time to give him his P45 and send him on his way without a payoff.[/p][/quote]Penny appointed him, why hasn't the Penny dropped yet! Penny dreadful, Jason dire! stumpyshimmans
  • Score: 3

11:53am Sun 6 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

Pennys' primary focus is to stand up for the authority she heads. The primary function of any bureaucracy is to defend itself ... Fulfilling the functions for which it was established in the first place is secondary to that.
Pennys' primary focus is to stand up for the authority she heads. The primary function of any bureaucracy is to defend itself ... Fulfilling the functions for which it was established in the first place is secondary to that. mimseycal
  • Score: 1

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