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Residents battle to save 144-year-old Rose Hill Tavern

The Argus: Michelle Mall with the petition Michelle Mall with the petition

Residents are battling to save their 144-year-old pub which they fear will be sold and turned into flats.

The team behind the Rose Hill Tavern in Brighton have launched a campaign to register the historic pub as a community asset in a bid to stop its pubco owners Enterprise Inns from selling it to property developers.

A petition to get the 21 signatures needed to begin the process has already attracted double that in just a week.

If successful, the pub would become the first in the city to be registered as a community asset.

By submitting an application to Brighton and Hove City Council, residents will be able to hold up any sale for six months to give them time to raise enough money to buy the site themselves.

The pub is listed online for £350,000 with “potential for residential conversion”.

There are currently more than 20 pubs registered across Sussex as community assets since the scheme was introduced in 2012 but none in Brighton and Hove.

Protected pubs include The Abergavenny Arms in Rodmell, The Drive in Eastbourne, three pubs in Horsham including the Frog and Nightgown, two in Rother, five in Wealden, three in Chichester and seven in Arun including The George Inn and Thatched House in Felpham.

Campaigners say the pub is a valuable meeting point for members of the community and the building with its distinctive United Brewery green tiled frontage has a rich history since it opened in 1870.

To emphasise the pub’s role in the community, campaigners are hoping to revive the establishment’s traditional street party.

Barmaid Michelle Mall, 41, who is helping out at the pub while landlady Rachel Midgley recovers from an operation, said: “We only started the campaign to register the pub as a community asset last week but we have been inundated with support.

“In fact we have stopped taking signatures after a few days because we already had the 21 signatures.

“Enterprise are selling the property with development potential.

“They have sent their people in to measure up and these are property developers not pub people.

“It would be such a crying shame if they were successful in selling it so we are doing everything we can to save it.”

To help support the campaign, pub lovers are invited to pop in to the pub in Rose Hill Terrace in Brighton to find out more.

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10:07am Tue 15 Apr 14

Brighton Bill says...

This is amazing, I used to live in Rose Hill Terrace for a while and this pub is a cracking local and must be saved. Brighton Bill in Bradford West Yorkshire.
This is amazing, I used to live in Rose Hill Terrace for a while and this pub is a cracking local and must be saved. Brighton Bill in Bradford West Yorkshire. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 25

10:21am Tue 15 Apr 14

cookie_brighton says...

Hi Bill..........I often pass this little pub on my way home,, never been in, but now I will,....... they closed down .......the Northern tavern, not too far away from this pub, they are converting the old co-op building, London road to student accomodation, surely keeping this pub open would be good.
They closed my local in Idle, Bradford, which I frequenting many times over my teenage years.......The White Swan.
Hi Bill..........I often pass this little pub on my way home,, never been in, but now I will,....... they closed down .......the Northern tavern, not too far away from this pub, they are converting the old co-op building, London road to student accomodation, surely keeping this pub open would be good. They closed my local in Idle, Bradford, which I frequenting many times over my teenage years.......The White Swan. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 14

10:22am Tue 15 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

I think something needs done urgently to save pubs,they are worth much more now coverted into flats and rabbit hutch studios.Devellopers are not interested in keeping a pub going all they want is a quick profit.All over pubs are also being snapped up by the large supermarkets for local outlets like Tesco express etc.A well run pub is a asset to a community.Its time certain pubs were listed as a community asset to stop greedy developers .
I think something needs done urgently to save pubs,they are worth much more now coverted into flats and rabbit hutch studios.Devellopers are not interested in keeping a pub going all they want is a quick profit.All over pubs are also being snapped up by the large supermarkets for local outlets like Tesco express etc.A well run pub is a asset to a community.Its time certain pubs were listed as a community asset to stop greedy developers . clubrob6
  • Score: 26

10:23am Tue 15 Apr 14

cookie_brighton says...

correction to my last post.............fre
quented and not frequenting.....oops
correction to my last post.............fre quented and not frequenting.....oops cookie_brighton
  • Score: 0

10:35am Tue 15 Apr 14

Ted-Kelly1 says...

I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle!
I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle! Ted-Kelly1
  • Score: 10

10:43am Tue 15 Apr 14

derekhunt says...

Ted-Kelly1 wrote:
I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle!
Which pubs have closed in Shoreham?
I know the Green Jackets turned into a Tesco
[quote][p][bold]Ted-Kelly1[/bold] wrote: I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle![/p][/quote]Which pubs have closed in Shoreham? I know the Green Jackets turned into a Tesco derekhunt
  • Score: 1

11:19am Tue 15 Apr 14

RAS Putin says...

Ted-Kelly1 wrote:
I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle!
The Rose Hill Tavern has the greatest landlady you could hope to find!
[quote][p][bold]Ted-Kelly1[/bold] wrote: I too, used to live just around the corner from The Rose Hill Tavern and enjoyed many a Thursday evening beer and darts. It was then (and I hope now) a thriving community asset. Pubs here in Shoreham are also closing at an alarming rate. The standard pub owners' tactic appears to be installing a most unfriendly landlord/lady specifically to run that pub down and then say that it is underused. Is this the case with the Rose Hill? If not, I apologise most humbly to the present incumbents! Good luck with the battle![/p][/quote]The Rose Hill Tavern has the greatest landlady you could hope to find! RAS Putin
  • Score: 12

11:52am Tue 15 Apr 14

rubberflipper says...

I hope this pub is saved. If all the people of B&H gave just £1!

These old pubs should be given listed status and not allowed to be used for any other use.
I hope this pub is saved. If all the people of B&H gave just £1! These old pubs should be given listed status and not allowed to be used for any other use. rubberflipper
  • Score: 12

11:55am Tue 15 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

Isn't it strange that local pubs are dropping like flies, but pubcos are cramming into the centre of Brighton as many late bars as possible and blighting the lives and homes of residents...our dear council doesnt seem to care as it makes a fortune by issuing them licences. I would like to see licencing returned to the Magistrates who had no other agenda than to ensure the correct running by the licensees..
Isn't it strange that local pubs are dropping like flies, but pubcos are cramming into the centre of Brighton as many late bars as possible and blighting the lives and homes of residents...our dear council doesnt seem to care as it makes a fortune by issuing them licences. I would like to see licencing returned to the Magistrates who had no other agenda than to ensure the correct running by the licensees.. rayellerton
  • Score: 16

12:14pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Goldenwight says...

If it is such a community asset, then why is turning it into flats being considered?

Never mind the suggestions above of "listed statue" and "don't let it be used for anything else" or "if everyone in Brighton gave £1"- if you want to keep it, USE IT.
If it is such a community asset, then why is turning it into flats being considered? Never mind the suggestions above of "listed statue" and "don't let it be used for anything else" or "if everyone in Brighton gave £1"- if you want to keep it, USE IT. Goldenwight
  • Score: 18

12:30pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Stoney33 says...

The sad thing is, people dont need pubs now days like they used to. Meeting up socially is done in coffee shops, or online. Through smartphones and social media, you are always in touch with friends, hence the need to go out drinking has reduced, especially with younger folk

There will always be a market, as we all still like a beer, but not as much, hence not as many pubs are needed these days
The sad thing is, people dont need pubs now days like they used to. Meeting up socially is done in coffee shops, or online. Through smartphones and social media, you are always in touch with friends, hence the need to go out drinking has reduced, especially with younger folk There will always be a market, as we all still like a beer, but not as much, hence not as many pubs are needed these days Stoney33
  • Score: 10

4:11pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Fairfax Aches says...

These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?
These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better? Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -35

4:19pm Tue 15 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?
I'm not a drinker, but local pubs become a centre of communities and bring together people who otherwise would not meet.... have you been to areas which have had their pubs closed? especially on the outskirts.. these days people come out their house, get in cars and rarely meet other neighbours never mind about getting to know them! whereas those areas which still have a thriving pub seem to be more community orientated. If a landlord exercises proper control of his pub those you describe above would not be welcomed..
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?[/p][/quote]I'm not a drinker, but local pubs become a centre of communities and bring together people who otherwise would not meet.... have you been to areas which have had their pubs closed? especially on the outskirts.. these days people come out their house, get in cars and rarely meet other neighbours never mind about getting to know them! whereas those areas which still have a thriving pub seem to be more community orientated. If a landlord exercises proper control of his pub those you describe above would not be welcomed.. rayellerton
  • Score: 17

4:35pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Man of steel says...

I agree with Ted-Kelly1, it seems to be the latest trend for pubco's, put in bad, inefficient managers, so that trade falls off, then sell the pub for flats, The White Admiral, The Bevendean, the London Unity, The Newmarket, etc. etc.
The last time I went into The Rose Hill, no real ale, no call for it apparently, but they had the bottled stuff, straight out of Aldi's.
As has been said many times, either use it, or lose it.
I agree with Ted-Kelly1, it seems to be the latest trend for pubco's, put in bad, inefficient managers, so that trade falls off, then sell the pub for flats, The White Admiral, The Bevendean, the London Unity, The Newmarket, etc. etc. The last time I went into The Rose Hill, no real ale, no call for it apparently, but they had the bottled stuff, straight out of Aldi's. As has been said many times, either use it, or lose it. Man of steel
  • Score: 8

4:40pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Seems a bit wrong that someone can buy a pub and then have some kind of law/order put in force that prevents them from realising a market value for it.

I'm of the firm opinion that you always find out what something is worth when people are asked to put their hands in their pocket and pay for it. Therefore, if the locals don't want flats, let the pubco. give them first refusal on buying it at market rates with plenty of time to raise the funds. Once bought, the order could then be put in place so that it has to remain a pub ongoing. Of course, no-one would buy it if they couldn't dispose of it if the business went downhill. The customers would be holding the business to ransom.

BTW, we found out what the Albion was worth to locals when asked to put their hands in their pockets during the stadium battle - not very much.
Seems a bit wrong that someone can buy a pub and then have some kind of law/order put in force that prevents them from realising a market value for it. I'm of the firm opinion that you always find out what something is worth when people are asked to put their hands in their pocket and pay for it. Therefore, if the locals don't want flats, let the pubco. give them first refusal on buying it at market rates with plenty of time to raise the funds. Once bought, the order could then be put in place so that it has to remain a pub ongoing. Of course, no-one would buy it if they couldn't dispose of it if the business went downhill. The customers would be holding the business to ransom. BTW, we found out what the Albion was worth to locals when asked to put their hands in their pockets during the stadium battle - not very much. Plantpot
  • Score: -2

4:50pm Tue 15 Apr 14

brightonaire says...

Plantpot wrote:
Seems a bit wrong that someone can buy a pub and then have some kind of law/order put in force that prevents them from realising a market value for it.

I'm of the firm opinion that you always find out what something is worth when people are asked to put their hands in their pocket and pay for it. Therefore, if the locals don't want flats, let the pubco. give them first refusal on buying it at market rates with plenty of time to raise the funds. Once bought, the order could then be put in place so that it has to remain a pub ongoing. Of course, no-one would buy it if they couldn't dispose of it if the business went downhill. The customers would be holding the business to ransom.

BTW, we found out what the Albion was worth to locals when asked to put their hands in their pockets during the stadium battle - not very much.
PLANTPOT......... P155POT MORE LIKE
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Seems a bit wrong that someone can buy a pub and then have some kind of law/order put in force that prevents them from realising a market value for it. I'm of the firm opinion that you always find out what something is worth when people are asked to put their hands in their pocket and pay for it. Therefore, if the locals don't want flats, let the pubco. give them first refusal on buying it at market rates with plenty of time to raise the funds. Once bought, the order could then be put in place so that it has to remain a pub ongoing. Of course, no-one would buy it if they couldn't dispose of it if the business went downhill. The customers would be holding the business to ransom. BTW, we found out what the Albion was worth to locals when asked to put their hands in their pockets during the stadium battle - not very much.[/p][/quote]PLANTPOT......... P155POT MORE LIKE brightonaire
  • Score: 8

6:00pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Curat0r says...

I have to say the title of this article is slightly confusing.

As a resident of Rose Hill Terrace, neither me nor my neighbours have been approached to sign a petition.

I have seen Landlord/Landladies come and go (very frequently in the last few years) at the Rose Hill Tavern and at the end of the day the pub has changed hands due to a lack of business. I honestly can't see how anyone would be able to hold onto the pub and continue to make a profit. There is far too much competition in the area. There are no more regulars as the area has changed. Most houses are Students who are spoilt for choice and will go where the cheapest drink is. Other people simply cannot afford to go to a local anymore, especially when drink is simply cheaper to buy in the shops.

I wish the landlady the best of luck but I don't think this will end well.
I have to say the title of this article is slightly confusing. As a resident of Rose Hill Terrace, neither me nor my neighbours have been approached to sign a petition. I have seen Landlord/Landladies come and go (very frequently in the last few years) at the Rose Hill Tavern and at the end of the day the pub has changed hands due to a lack of business. I honestly can't see how anyone would be able to hold onto the pub and continue to make a profit. There is far too much competition in the area. There are no more regulars as the area has changed. Most houses are Students who are spoilt for choice and will go where the cheapest drink is. Other people simply cannot afford to go to a local anymore, especially when drink is simply cheaper to buy in the shops. I wish the landlady the best of luck but I don't think this will end well. Curat0r
  • Score: 8

7:14pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Charliebrighton says...

This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history.
This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history. Charliebrighton
  • Score: 9

7:45pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Man of steel says...

Charliebrighton wrote:
This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history.
When I visited, it had just been renamed The Jamaica Inn, which I thought was totaly unsuitable for a pub in Brighton, especially as I am against renaming old pubs and giving them daft names, just because the new owner thinks that it is trendy, i.e, the slug and lettuce or more recently the Brighton Bier Company.
And when I visited, they certainly had no ale, I don't know what it is like now, as I have not been back, and because of the reception I got when I questioned the fact that nobody wants real ale anymore, I probably will not.
[quote][p][bold]Charliebrighton[/bold] wrote: This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history.[/p][/quote]When I visited, it had just been renamed The Jamaica Inn, which I thought was totaly unsuitable for a pub in Brighton, especially as I am against renaming old pubs and giving them daft names, just because the new owner thinks that it is trendy, i.e, the slug and lettuce or more recently the Brighton Bier Company. And when I visited, they certainly had no ale, I don't know what it is like now, as I have not been back, and because of the reception I got when I questioned the fact that nobody wants real ale anymore, I probably will not. Man of steel
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Tue 15 Apr 14

jay316 says...

Man of steel wrote:
I agree with Ted-Kelly1, it seems to be the latest trend for pubco's, put in bad, inefficient managers, so that trade falls off, then sell the pub for flats, The White Admiral, The Bevendean, the London Unity, The Newmarket, etc. etc.
The last time I went into The Rose Hill, no real ale, no call for it apparently, but they had the bottled stuff, straight out of Aldi's.
As has been said many times, either use it, or lose it.
We now have real ales. With more on the way
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: I agree with Ted-Kelly1, it seems to be the latest trend for pubco's, put in bad, inefficient managers, so that trade falls off, then sell the pub for flats, The White Admiral, The Bevendean, the London Unity, The Newmarket, etc. etc. The last time I went into The Rose Hill, no real ale, no call for it apparently, but they had the bottled stuff, straight out of Aldi's. As has been said many times, either use it, or lose it.[/p][/quote]We now have real ales. With more on the way jay316
  • Score: 3

8:05pm Tue 15 Apr 14

jay316 says...

Curat0r wrote:
I have to say the title of this article is slightly confusing.

As a resident of Rose Hill Terrace, neither me nor my neighbours have been approached to sign a petition.

I have seen Landlord/Landladies come and go (very frequently in the last few years) at the Rose Hill Tavern and at the end of the day the pub has changed hands due to a lack of business. I honestly can't see how anyone would be able to hold onto the pub and continue to make a profit. There is far too much competition in the area. There are no more regulars as the area has changed. Most houses are Students who are spoilt for choice and will go where the cheapest drink is. Other people simply cannot afford to go to a local anymore, especially when drink is simply cheaper to buy in the shops.

I wish the landlady the best of luck but I don't think this will end well.
They are working on petition for the area in the coming days.

Rachel the new landlady and her team have been busy, getting in local bands, sorting Sunday roasts, sorting out ales etc.

It all takes time. But there is a regular local crowd in there.

I was involved.with the street event and we are planning to get that up and running again.
[quote][p][bold]Curat0r[/bold] wrote: I have to say the title of this article is slightly confusing. As a resident of Rose Hill Terrace, neither me nor my neighbours have been approached to sign a petition. I have seen Landlord/Landladies come and go (very frequently in the last few years) at the Rose Hill Tavern and at the end of the day the pub has changed hands due to a lack of business. I honestly can't see how anyone would be able to hold onto the pub and continue to make a profit. There is far too much competition in the area. There are no more regulars as the area has changed. Most houses are Students who are spoilt for choice and will go where the cheapest drink is. Other people simply cannot afford to go to a local anymore, especially when drink is simply cheaper to buy in the shops. I wish the landlady the best of luck but I don't think this will end well.[/p][/quote]They are working on petition for the area in the coming days. Rachel the new landlady and her team have been busy, getting in local bands, sorting Sunday roasts, sorting out ales etc. It all takes time. But there is a regular local crowd in there. I was involved.with the street event and we are planning to get that up and running again. jay316
  • Score: 4

8:08pm Tue 15 Apr 14

jay316 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
If it is such a community asset, then why is turning it into flats being considered?

Never mind the suggestions above of "listed statue" and "don't let it be used for anything else" or "if everyone in Brighton gave £1"- if you want to keep it, USE IT.
The likes of enterprise and others simply purchased pubs all over.. They advertised this as having a potential to be changed to residential.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: If it is such a community asset, then why is turning it into flats being considered? Never mind the suggestions above of "listed statue" and "don't let it be used for anything else" or "if everyone in Brighton gave £1"- if you want to keep it, USE IT.[/p][/quote]The likes of enterprise and others simply purchased pubs all over.. They advertised this as having a potential to be changed to residential. jay316
  • Score: 5

8:20pm Tue 15 Apr 14

jay316 says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?
Really. Not everyone who goes to a pub are alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?[/p][/quote]Really. Not everyone who goes to a pub are alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. jay316
  • Score: 4

8:22pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Charliebrighton says...

Man of steel wrote:
Charliebrighton wrote:
This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history.
When I visited, it had just been renamed The Jamaica Inn, which I thought was totaly unsuitable for a pub in Brighton, especially as I am against renaming old pubs and giving them daft names, just because the new owner thinks that it is trendy, i.e, the slug and lettuce or more recently the Brighton Bier Company.
And when I visited, they certainly had no ale, I don't know what it is like now, as I have not been back, and because of the reception I got when I questioned the fact that nobody wants real ale anymore, I probably will not.
It is now back to its origional name. The rose hill tavern
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charliebrighton[/bold] wrote: This pub has had a new and lovely landlady since November. It has amazing range of real ales ( not bottled as suggested earlier) and all of the staff are friendly. There are locals from the area around that go in daily. It is a lovely pub with great roasts on a Sunday. It would be a great shame to lose it. It really is part of the community and a nice escape from the large pubs on London road. It is like a county pub in the city. Fingers crossed for the rosehill tavern. Amazing history.[/p][/quote]When I visited, it had just been renamed The Jamaica Inn, which I thought was totaly unsuitable for a pub in Brighton, especially as I am against renaming old pubs and giving them daft names, just because the new owner thinks that it is trendy, i.e, the slug and lettuce or more recently the Brighton Bier Company. And when I visited, they certainly had no ale, I don't know what it is like now, as I have not been back, and because of the reception I got when I questioned the fact that nobody wants real ale anymore, I probably will not.[/p][/quote]It is now back to its origional name. The rose hill tavern Charliebrighton
  • Score: 4

1:39am Wed 16 Apr 14

Brighton Bill says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
Hi Bill..........I often pass this little pub on my way home,, never been in, but now I will,....... they closed down .......the Northern tavern, not too far away from this pub, they are converting the old co-op building, London road to student accomodation, surely keeping this pub open would be good.
They closed my local in Idle, Bradford, which I frequenting many times over my teenage years.......The White Swan.
Now reopened with 4 Real Ales mate.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: Hi Bill..........I often pass this little pub on my way home,, never been in, but now I will,....... they closed down .......the Northern tavern, not too far away from this pub, they are converting the old co-op building, London road to student accomodation, surely keeping this pub open would be good. They closed my local in Idle, Bradford, which I frequenting many times over my teenage years.......The White Swan.[/p][/quote]Now reopened with 4 Real Ales mate. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 5

10:02am Wed 16 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

The Rose Hill is an Enterprise Inns owned pub. As was the London Unity (now being converted into two houses), The Cuthbert (freehold now up for sale as suitable for conversion) and too many others too name, I've forgotten how many. Enterprise and Punch Taverns who owned the vast majority of the freeholds of many now defunct pubs in Brighton and Hove has systematically swept through with a policy to close down any pub that cannot meet their excessively high rents and beer prices. These are all Tied pubs where the licensee has to buy beer, spirits, wine etc at higher prices than you could find it for sale in supermarkets etc. They simply cannot sell at a price which makes going to the pub an attractive option in these hard times.
These pub is are simply selling off their pubs at an inflated freehold price to reduce their debt levels so that they look like profitable companies. They are not. And neither will any individual pub be as long as they are run on this basis by these companies. Greene King are another villain in this's piece too.
The Rose Hill is an Enterprise Inns owned pub. As was the London Unity (now being converted into two houses), The Cuthbert (freehold now up for sale as suitable for conversion) and too many others too name, I've forgotten how many. Enterprise and Punch Taverns who owned the vast majority of the freeholds of many now defunct pubs in Brighton and Hove has systematically swept through with a policy to close down any pub that cannot meet their excessively high rents and beer prices. These are all Tied pubs where the licensee has to buy beer, spirits, wine etc at higher prices than you could find it for sale in supermarkets etc. They simply cannot sell at a price which makes going to the pub an attractive option in these hard times. These pub is are simply selling off their pubs at an inflated freehold price to reduce their debt levels so that they look like profitable companies. They are not. And neither will any individual pub be as long as they are run on this basis by these companies. Greene King are another villain in this's piece too. Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

10:04am Wed 16 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

Sorry, last paragraph, "These pubcos are......" **** predictive text!
Sorry, last paragraph, "These pubcos are......" **** predictive text! Max Ripple
  • Score: 0

4:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

jimthedoorman says...

This pub is a lovely venue. I know the Rachel the landlady and many of the staff personally. You couldn't get a friendlier welcome at the Rose Hill.
I've worked with Rachel a few times and she has always struck me as lively, approachable, knowledgable and professional.
Her and her staff have sweat blood to make the Rose Hill what it is today. The diversity of customers from all walks of life may not have even had the chance to meet each other if this venue didn't exist and it would be a crushing blow to all the hard work the staff have put in if it were to close.
There were times when the venue was a lot quieter on the customer front under some previous landlords / landladys. I used to work around the corner many years ago (now a camera shop) and used to pop in for a post-work pint or two regularly. The main thing about the Rose Hill now is that it has remained a PUB. It isn't a wine bar, it isn't a "theme pub" or sports bar, it isn't a chain pub with "home made" mass-produced frozen food, it doesn't constantly blare out music so loud you can't talk to the person next to you, it is a PUB. Remember them?
Its an all-welcoming pub with real ales on tap, a good selection of popular lagers, the occasional local band on, good honest Sunday Roasts, great staff and although it might not be the cheapest in the area, I'd rather pay those few pence more to enjoy my experience rather than be treated like I'm an inconvenience like some other venues do.

I mean, what other venue does one of the bar staff lose a "bet" on Wales winning a 6 Nations Rugby match.
He took his forfeit like a champion and wore a dress (not entirely dissimilar from Alice In Wonderland) for the whole of his shift and customers were talking about it for weeks!

Suffice to say I'll be using the Rose Hill very soon.
This pub is a lovely venue. I know the Rachel the landlady and many of the staff personally. You couldn't get a friendlier welcome at the Rose Hill. I've worked with Rachel a few times and she has always struck me as lively, approachable, knowledgable and professional. Her and her staff have sweat blood to make the Rose Hill what it is today. The diversity of customers from all walks of life may not have even had the chance to meet each other if this venue didn't exist and it would be a crushing blow to all the hard work the staff have put in if it were to close. There were times when the venue was a lot quieter on the customer front under some previous landlords / landladys. I used to work around the corner many years ago (now a camera shop) and used to pop in for a post-work pint or two regularly. The main thing about the Rose Hill now is that it has remained a PUB. It isn't a wine bar, it isn't a "theme pub" or sports bar, it isn't a chain pub with "home made" mass-produced frozen food, it doesn't constantly blare out music so loud you can't talk to the person next to you, it is a PUB. Remember them? Its an all-welcoming pub with real ales on tap, a good selection of popular lagers, the occasional local band on, good honest Sunday Roasts, great staff and although it might not be the cheapest in the area, I'd rather pay those few pence more to enjoy my experience rather than be treated like I'm an inconvenience like some other venues do. I mean, what other venue does one of the bar staff lose a "bet" on Wales winning a 6 Nations Rugby match. He took his forfeit like a champion and wore a dress (not entirely dissimilar from Alice In Wonderland) for the whole of his shift and customers were talking about it for weeks! Suffice to say I'll be using the Rose Hill very soon. jimthedoorman
  • Score: 6

4:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

CJN says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?
You don't get out much do you!
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?[/p][/quote]You don't get out much do you! CJN
  • Score: 4

4:41pm Wed 16 Apr 14

CJN says...

Great local pub although I haven't been for a while. I think the root of the problem here is, as is so often the case, Enterprise Inns.
Great local pub although I haven't been for a while. I think the root of the problem here is, as is so often the case, Enterprise Inns. CJN
  • Score: 6

5:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Goldenwight says...

CJN wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote: These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?
You don't get out much do you!
I think that the original comment was meant sarcastically...
[quote][p][bold]CJN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: These so called 'pubs' are generally no more than a hangout for alcoholics, lowlifes, druggies and other dregs of society. We need well rid, perhaps a civic centre in its place would serve the community better?[/p][/quote]You don't get out much do you![/p][/quote]I think that the original comment was meant sarcastically... Goldenwight
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Either somehow convince local people to drink there and use the pub, or alternatively if local people carry on deciding not to drink there, you could scatter just enough radioactive material around the premises to keep it looking like a pub from the outside while keeping it a no go area on the inside that nobody will want to convert to flats because it's radioactive.
Either somehow convince local people to drink there and use the pub, or alternatively if local people carry on deciding not to drink there, you could scatter just enough radioactive material around the premises to keep it looking like a pub from the outside while keeping it a no go area on the inside that nobody will want to convert to flats because it's radioactive. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

6:49am Thu 17 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Max Ripple wrote:
The Rose Hill is an Enterprise Inns owned pub. As was the London Unity (now being converted into two houses), The Cuthbert (freehold now up for sale as suitable for conversion) and too many others too name, I've forgotten how many. Enterprise and Punch Taverns who owned the vast majority of the freeholds of many now defunct pubs in Brighton and Hove has systematically swept through with a policy to close down any pub that cannot meet their excessively high rents and beer prices. These are all Tied pubs where the licensee has to buy beer, spirits, wine etc at higher prices than you could find it for sale in supermarkets etc. They simply cannot sell at a price which makes going to the pub an attractive option in these hard times.
These pub is are simply selling off their pubs at an inflated freehold price to reduce their debt levels so that they look like profitable companies. They are not. And neither will any individual pub be as long as they are run on this basis by these companies. Greene King are another villain in this's piece too.
You get the impression that a lot of hospitality co.'s these days are actually property co.'s. They use the business in the property to generate income only so long as it meeds their demands. It is the property that is the real investment.

Given the way the big pubco's operate, why on earth do people take up tenancies with them? If ever I fancied running a pub, it would be a free house or nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: The Rose Hill is an Enterprise Inns owned pub. As was the London Unity (now being converted into two houses), The Cuthbert (freehold now up for sale as suitable for conversion) and too many others too name, I've forgotten how many. Enterprise and Punch Taverns who owned the vast majority of the freeholds of many now defunct pubs in Brighton and Hove has systematically swept through with a policy to close down any pub that cannot meet their excessively high rents and beer prices. These are all Tied pubs where the licensee has to buy beer, spirits, wine etc at higher prices than you could find it for sale in supermarkets etc. They simply cannot sell at a price which makes going to the pub an attractive option in these hard times. These pub is are simply selling off their pubs at an inflated freehold price to reduce their debt levels so that they look like profitable companies. They are not. And neither will any individual pub be as long as they are run on this basis by these companies. Greene King are another villain in this's piece too.[/p][/quote]You get the impression that a lot of hospitality co.'s these days are actually property co.'s. They use the business in the property to generate income only so long as it meeds their demands. It is the property that is the real investment. Given the way the big pubco's operate, why on earth do people take up tenancies with them? If ever I fancied running a pub, it would be a free house or nothing. Plantpot
  • Score: 2

9:18am Fri 18 Apr 14

Warren C says...

It's been a very bad week for Brighton boozers.
The Cuthbert and Newmarket Arms have been lost to housing, while the property vultures are circling over the Rosehill Tavern.
Whatever you think of these pubs, once they are lost, they are gone forever from the community and we need more than smart phones and shopping to nourish the soul.
However, there's one place that is nearly ready to open four years after being closed down.
Thanks to a few pig-headed residents, a superhero Vicar, hundreds of shareholders and a government grant, the old Bevendean Pub has been transformed and is set to become the first co-op pub on a housing estate in the UK. Building work has now finished but we need just a bit more money to get us over the finishing line.
Instead of brick dust we can nearly taste our first pint!
Our strapline has always been that it will be so much more than just a pub and one of the reasons we got the grant was because of letters of support from groups as diverse as the local brownies, NHS, Albion in the Community and residents groups. It will be a community hub, something for everyone, somewhere for people to meet, to chew over the day's events and get to know our neighbours.
We still need £40,000 to kit out the kitchen, fit and stock the bar, put in the cellar and build the pub garden.
So can you help? Have you brought your share yet? Could you afford to invest in a few more? This is your chance to not only be part of a little piece of history but also play your part in bucking the trend of 18 pubs closing every week.
Come along to our drop in day on Sunday 27th April between 12 noon-4pm and see what a group of determined people can achieve.
It's been a very bad week for Brighton boozers. The Cuthbert and Newmarket Arms have been lost to housing, while the property vultures are circling over the Rosehill Tavern. Whatever you think of these pubs, once they are lost, they are gone forever from the community and we need more than smart phones and shopping to nourish the soul. However, there's one place that is nearly ready to open four years after being closed down. Thanks to a few pig-headed residents, a superhero Vicar, hundreds of shareholders and a government grant, the old Bevendean Pub has been transformed and is set to become the first co-op pub on a housing estate in the UK. Building work has now finished but we need just a bit more money to get us over the finishing line. Instead of brick dust we can nearly taste our first pint! Our strapline has always been that it will be so much more than just a pub and one of the reasons we got the grant was because of letters of support from groups as diverse as the local brownies, NHS, Albion in the Community and residents groups. It will be a community hub, something for everyone, somewhere for people to meet, to chew over the day's events and get to know our neighbours. We still need £40,000 to kit out the kitchen, fit and stock the bar, put in the cellar and build the pub garden. So can you help? Have you brought your share yet? Could you afford to invest in a few more? This is your chance to not only be part of a little piece of history but also play your part in bucking the trend of 18 pubs closing every week. Come along to our drop in day on Sunday 27th April between 12 noon-4pm and see what a group of determined people can achieve. Warren C
  • Score: 2

1:28pm Sat 19 Apr 14

SpiderMeringue says...

Only three dots necessary in an ellipsis...
Only three dots necessary in an ellipsis... SpiderMeringue
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Sun 20 Apr 14

jay316 says...

If you want to sign the petition please go to

http://www.change.or
g/en-GB/petitions/ri
ght-hon-eric-pickles
-mp-protect-the-rose
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If you want to sign the petition please go to http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/ri ght-hon-eric-pickles -mp-protect-the-rose -hill-tavern-brighto n jay316
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Sun 20 Apr 14

jay316 says...

For some reason the URL bug is still in the forum..
For some reason the URL bug is still in the forum.. jay316
  • Score: 0

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