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Caroline Lucas found not guilty in anti-fracking protest trial

The Argus: Caroline Lucas found not guilty in anti-fracking protest trial Caroline Lucas found not guilty in anti-fracking protest trial

Caroline Lucas has vowed to continue her fight to end fracking after being found not guilty of obstructing a public highway and a public order offence during high-profile protests.

Britain's only Green MP was arrested outside energy company Cuadrilla's exploratory oil drilling site in Balcombe last August 19.

The Brighton Pavilion MP was among a group of protesters who had linked arms outside the site, which had become a national focal point for anti-fracking protests.

During the trial at Brighton Magistrates' Court alongside four co-defendants, Lucas, 53, said she "wanted to express solidarity" by protesting peacefully.

She was found not guilty of the two charges she faced - wilful obstruction of a public highway and breaching an order under Section 14 of the Public Order Act.

Outside court, she said: "We are pleased that the court upheld our right to peacefully protest against fracking, but this judgment is not a victory or cause for celebration.

"We will continue to campaign to end fracking and only celebrate when our world is on the path to a clean energy future."

Dr Lucas's co-defendants - Josef Dobraszczyk, 22, from Bristol; Ruth Jarman, 50, from Hook, Hampshire; Sheila Menon, 42, from north east London; and Ruth Potts, 39, from Totnes, Devon - were also cleared of both charges.

Dr Lucas told the trial she felt it was important to protest about fracking in a bid to prevent the UK being locked into using more fossil fuels.

She said: "I'm haunted by the idea that my children and my children's children will turn round to me and say, 'What did you do about this overwhelming threat?'

"And I want to do all I can do peacefully to address that before it's too late.''

 

 

Dr Lucas told the trial that governments were failing to urgently address the issues surrounding climate change.

 

And she said she felt the protest outside Cuadrilla's main entrance was a "legitimate'' and "appropriate" way of sending a message to the Government about fracking concerns.

Last summer's anti-fracking protests at Balcombe placed the controversial extraction method under forensic scrutiny.

Although Cuadrilla did not frack at the site, its drilling operation sparked concerns that it would go on to do so in the future.

Prosecutor Jonathan Edwards told the trial that a large camp formed near the site's entrance and extra officers were drafted in because of the vast number of protesters.

A notice under Section 14 of the Public Order Act was imposed, requiring demonstrators to use a designated protest area away from Cuadrilla's entrance.

Dr Lucas told the trial it felt important and "symbolic" to be based outside the main gate during the protest, which lasted about five hours from around 10.15am.

 

Giving evidence, she denied being told of a designated protest area by police, adding: "I couldn't see any reason why we couldn't continue our peaceful protest."

Pc Robert Staplehurst, of Sussex Police, told the court he approached Ms Lucas, said there was a Section 14 notice and asked whether there was anything he could say to move her.

Dr Lucas - who was elected as the Green Party's first MP in the 2010 general election - replied no and was arrested.

She went on: "If we had another 10 to 15 minutes we could have come to an agreement to end it and dispersed. We weren't doing anything different than we were in the previous five hours."

A short section of footage was shown to the court showing Ms Lucas circled while linking hands with fellow protesters.

In it, Pc Staplehurst is heard to say: "I require you to move. Are you going to move of your own accord?"

He went on: "Just bear in mind you will be arrested...is there anything that I can say that is going to make you move? In that case, Caroline, I'm arresting you."

In another section of footage, Ms Lucas and fellow protesters are seen singing: "We shall not, we shall not be moved."

Under cross-examination, Ms Lucas said she did not believe the protest would have had the same impact if it had taken place away from the main gate.

And she was questioned about whether the singing of "We shall not be moved" was an indication of defiance of the police.

Ms Lucas said: "It was more the fact that we were singing together rather than the words we were singing. It's a song of strength."

Fashion designer Dame Vivienne Westwood sent Ms Lucas a message of support during the trial, and said fracking should be halted until the public was made aware of the "true facts".

Hydraulic fracturing - or fracking - involves high pressure liquid being pumped deep underground to split shale rock and release oil or gas supplies.

Fears have been raised over the potential for small-scale earthquakes and water pollution, and that a drive to exploit new gas reserves will turn the focus away from efforts to develop a low-carbon economy to tackle climate change.

Cuadrilla drilled horizontally for some 1,700ft through Micrite formation, a type of limestone, at a depth of around 2,350ft below ground level.

But later its chief executive Francis Egan said the rock underneath the drill site, at Lower Stumble, was already naturally fractured, and the company had no intention of fracking there.

The cost of policing the lengthy protests at Balcombe was nearly £4 million, prompting Sussex police and crime commissioner Katy Bourne to seek financial aid from the Home Office.

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3:02pm Thu 17 Apr 14

D.T.W. says...

What a surprise, what about the other four ?
What a surprise, what about the other four ? D.T.W.
  • Score: 26

3:12pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Martha Gunn says...

Difficult to believe.

Now the Luddite Green Party will be able to get away with anything.
Difficult to believe. Now the Luddite Green Party will be able to get away with anything. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 36

3:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

pachallis says...

To quote Captain Jack Sparrow: There'll be no living with her after this!
To quote Captain Jack Sparrow: There'll be no living with her after this! pachallis
  • Score: 37

3:16pm Thu 17 Apr 14

MICKY389 says...

Another triumph for Sussex police and the CPS
Another triumph for Sussex police and the CPS MICKY389
  • Score: 8

3:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party! Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -155

3:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Too right. Recent governments have been steadily eroding people's rights to peacefully protest while the police have been finding ever more creative ways of interpreting the Public Order Act. This sets a good precedent.
Too right. Recent governments have been steadily eroding people's rights to peacefully protest while the police have been finding ever more creative ways of interpreting the Public Order Act. This sets a good precedent. Gribbet
  • Score: -88

3:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

CatoTheCat says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year? CatoTheCat
  • Score: 37

3:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

rolivan says...

The CPS have been shown to be clearly lacking when it comes to getting convictions,it begs the question are they really just trying to hang onto their Jobs which are in danger anyway . Wouldn't Ms Clueless be better off spending time looking after her own constituents needs.
The CPS have been shown to be clearly lacking when it comes to getting convictions,it begs the question are they really just trying to hang onto their Jobs which are in danger anyway . Wouldn't Ms Clueless be better off spending time looking after her own constituents needs. rolivan
  • Score: 32

3:31pm Thu 17 Apr 14

juleshove says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Are you deluded, comparing Ms Lucas with Nelson Mandela !

Shame she was not found guilty, I was hoping in jail she couldn't cause any more havoc to our city. Worst MP in living memory. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion, and the sooner she goes the better.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Are you deluded, comparing Ms Lucas with Nelson Mandela ! Shame she was not found guilty, I was hoping in jail she couldn't cause any more havoc to our city. Worst MP in living memory. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion, and the sooner she goes the better. juleshove
  • Score: 88

3:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

CatoTheCat wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?
There is this thing called video footage; it allows you to watch events that happened before you were born.

Apparently, it's quite popular.....
[quote][p][bold]CatoTheCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?[/p][/quote]There is this thing called video footage; it allows you to watch events that happened before you were born. Apparently, it's quite popular..... Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -66

3:40pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

When you vote for the best, you GET the best!

Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
When you vote for the best, you GET the best! Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party! Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -127

3:42pm Thu 17 Apr 14

pachallis says...

You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll? pachallis
  • Score: 54

3:51pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Green_Girl_1990 says...

pachallis wrote:
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
Do you realise pachallis has not been to university?

You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll?

Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green.

You are just going to have to deal with it,
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?[/p][/quote]Do you realise pachallis has not been to university? You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll? Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green. You are just going to have to deal with it, Green_Girl_1990
  • Score: -78

3:54pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Takeresponsibility says...

Would never have happened if she spent more time campaigning on issues in her own constituency but this lady is on an ego trip and the sooner she is voted out the better for the City.
Would never have happened if she spent more time campaigning on issues in her own constituency but this lady is on an ego trip and the sooner she is voted out the better for the City. Takeresponsibility
  • Score: 71

3:56pm Thu 17 Apr 14

hursthill says...

Anyone is now able to obstruct the entrance to Lucas's home, on the grounds that * " it is a legitamate & appropriate way of sending a message ". *

If you * " wanted to express solidarity " * with people who find her choice of words arrogant & irksome, then do it the Lucas way. Just block her entrance whilst singing * " we shall not be moved " *
Anyone is now able to obstruct the entrance to Lucas's home, on the grounds that * " it is a legitamate & appropriate way of sending a message ". * If you * " wanted to express solidarity " * with people who find her choice of words arrogant & irksome, then do it the Lucas way. Just block her entrance whilst singing * " we shall not be moved " * hursthill
  • Score: 50

3:57pm Thu 17 Apr 14

DCCCCCC says...

Politics aside because in my opinion they are all a load of rubbish, I can't believe tax payers money was spent on this anyway, unless if am wrong and tax payers money wasn't involved, no doubt someone will enlighten me re this.
Politics aside because in my opinion they are all a load of rubbish, I can't believe tax payers money was spent on this anyway, unless if am wrong and tax payers money wasn't involved, no doubt someone will enlighten me re this. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 8

3:57pm Thu 17 Apr 14

PJW Brighton says...

The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -35

3:58pm Thu 17 Apr 14

michael505 says...

An absolute disgrace. So much for British Justice. I hope that the CPS appeal this decision. Caroline LUCAS has the means to protest the fracking through the House of Commons unlike the ordinary person. Instead she sits in the road and refuses to move. How can that be right. If it is then this sends a message to the rest of the country that they can do what they like. She has done herself no favours and I can;t see her retaining her seat at the next election,
An absolute disgrace. So much for British Justice. I hope that the CPS appeal this decision. Caroline LUCAS has the means to protest the fracking through the House of Commons unlike the ordinary person. Instead she sits in the road and refuses to move. How can that be right. If it is then this sends a message to the rest of the country that they can do what they like. She has done herself no favours and I can;t see her retaining her seat at the next election, michael505
  • Score: 46

4:00pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

CatoTheCat wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?
His birth year is 1968
[quote][p][bold]CatoTheCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?[/p][/quote]His birth year is 1968 Gribbet
  • Score: -18

4:06pm Thu 17 Apr 14

pachallis says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
@PJW Brighton - I think you'll find the latest report recommends switching from oil and coal to natural gas as a way to reduce CO2 emissions as we move globally to more sustainable energy sources (i.e.solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, nuclear, hydrogen) over the next 50 years.

First stage - convert buses, taxis lorries and trains from diesel to CNG (compressed natural gas).

And where do we get natural gas (aka Methane) from - apart from the North Sea which is drying up, from Russia where they try to hold us to ransom, or by liquefying it and shipping by sea from the Middle East?

Answer - fracking!

HJarrs (bless him!) has already got very upset about this and wants us to give up motor vehicles and walk or cycle everywhere instead.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]@PJW Brighton - I think you'll find the latest report recommends switching from oil and coal to natural gas as a way to reduce CO2 emissions as we move globally to more sustainable energy sources (i.e.solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, nuclear, hydrogen) over the next 50 years. First stage - convert buses, taxis lorries and trains from diesel to CNG (compressed natural gas). And where do we get natural gas (aka Methane) from - apart from the North Sea which is drying up, from Russia where they try to hold us to ransom, or by liquefying it and shipping by sea from the Middle East? Answer - fracking! HJarrs (bless him!) has already got very upset about this and wants us to give up motor vehicles and walk or cycle everywhere instead. pachallis
  • Score: 22

4:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Lady Smith says...

CatoTheCat wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?
Sorry to be a pedant, but Mandela wasn't released from Robben Island that year: he'd already been transferred to a prison on the mainland, Victor Verster, and that's where he was released from.
[quote][p][bold]CatoTheCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?[/p][/quote]Sorry to be a pedant, but Mandela wasn't released from Robben Island that year: he'd already been transferred to a prison on the mainland, Victor Verster, and that's where he was released from. Lady Smith
  • Score: 13

4:14pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gaz the great says...

So the law can be perverted if your an M.P, however bad an M.P you are. There was little old me hoping she'd get at least a life sentence, so we woldn't have to put up with her for at least the next coupleof years, well that is the normal minimum served these days!!!!
So the law can be perverted if your an M.P, however bad an M.P you are. There was little old me hoping she'd get at least a life sentence, so we woldn't have to put up with her for at least the next coupleof years, well that is the normal minimum served these days!!!! Gaz the great
  • Score: 35

4:16pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Andy R says...

hursthill wrote:
Anyone is now able to obstruct the entrance to Lucas's home, on the grounds that * " it is a legitamate & appropriate way of sending a message ". *

If you * " wanted to express solidarity " * with people who find her choice of words arrogant & irksome, then do it the Lucas way. Just block her entrance whilst singing * " we shall not be moved " *
What? But that would involve the moaners actually DOING something. Never gonna happen.

Great news about the acquittal - and being able to gloat at all the impotent whining on here is just icing on the cake.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Anyone is now able to obstruct the entrance to Lucas's home, on the grounds that * " it is a legitamate & appropriate way of sending a message ". * If you * " wanted to express solidarity " * with people who find her choice of words arrogant & irksome, then do it the Lucas way. Just block her entrance whilst singing * " we shall not be moved " *[/p][/quote]What? But that would involve the moaners actually DOING something. Never gonna happen. Great news about the acquittal - and being able to gloat at all the impotent whining on here is just icing on the cake. Andy R
  • Score: -38

4:20pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Fracking may have reduced energy bills in the US, but fracking in the UK won't reduce the heating bills of everyday British folk because of how the price of gas is set at the European market. Fracking is being allowed to happen in the UK for the benefit of energy bosses, not for the wider population.
Fracking may have reduced energy bills in the US, but fracking in the UK won't reduce the heating bills of everyday British folk because of how the price of gas is set at the European market. Fracking is being allowed to happen in the UK for the benefit of energy bosses, not for the wider population. Gribbet
  • Score: -10

4:37pm Thu 17 Apr 14

spa301 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
Do you realise pachallis has not been to university?

You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll?

Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green.

You are just going to have to deal with it,
Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?[/p][/quote]Do you realise pachallis has not been to university? You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll? Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green. You are just going to have to deal with it,[/p][/quote]Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see spa301
  • Score: 23

4:41pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BenUk says...

So if you get in trouble just say your a mp or someone works in the (corrupt) government and you will get away with it! any normal person would get in trouble for that!
Eco Freaks Green Party MUST GO! asap the better, go back in the hole where you came from and never come out,
or i got a idea why dont all eco freaks go live on there own little island together and they can be eco freaks together leave us normal people alone.
So if you get in trouble just say your a mp or someone works in the (corrupt) government and you will get away with it! any normal person would get in trouble for that! Eco Freaks Green Party MUST GO! asap the better, go back in the hole where you came from and never come out, or i got a idea why dont all eco freaks go live on there own little island together and they can be eco freaks together leave us normal people alone. BenUk
  • Score: 19

4:58pm Thu 17 Apr 14

NickBtn says...

Gribbet wrote:
Fracking may have reduced energy bills in the US, but fracking in the UK won't reduce the heating bills of everyday British folk because of how the price of gas is set at the European market. Fracking is being allowed to happen in the UK for the benefit of energy bosses, not for the wider population.
If there is more supply then prices should fall - supply and demand. More gas through fracking, then should be lower prices. Whether that will all be passed on is a good question!

I think that gas/fracking is a good interim step. Whatever anyone thinks about renewables, these cannot take over for many years. There just isn't the scale and key technology issues still aren't fixed. However we could and should use more renewables. In the meantime if we switched there would not be enough so fracking/gas is a good step. We currently use and import coal to produce electricity - this is much more polluting than gas/fracking. So fracking isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than what we're currently doing. I think that the greens are wrong fighting against fracking - they should concentrate on coal as it is much worse
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Fracking may have reduced energy bills in the US, but fracking in the UK won't reduce the heating bills of everyday British folk because of how the price of gas is set at the European market. Fracking is being allowed to happen in the UK for the benefit of energy bosses, not for the wider population.[/p][/quote]If there is more supply then prices should fall - supply and demand. More gas through fracking, then should be lower prices. Whether that will all be passed on is a good question! I think that gas/fracking is a good interim step. Whatever anyone thinks about renewables, these cannot take over for many years. There just isn't the scale and key technology issues still aren't fixed. However we could and should use more renewables. In the meantime if we switched there would not be enough so fracking/gas is a good step. We currently use and import coal to produce electricity - this is much more polluting than gas/fracking. So fracking isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than what we're currently doing. I think that the greens are wrong fighting against fracking - they should concentrate on coal as it is much worse NickBtn
  • Score: 15

5:01pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Jimmy935 says...

Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty!
Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty! Jimmy935
  • Score: 41

5:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

NathanAdler says...

Fracking is the way forward.

And FREE ARCTIC ROLL FOR ALL !!!

And cheaper Minstrels at cinemas.
Fracking is the way forward. And FREE ARCTIC ROLL FOR ALL !!! And cheaper Minstrels at cinemas. NathanAdler
  • Score: 8

5:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Martha Gunn says...

A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics.

Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration.

Surely the CPS must appeal.
A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics. Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration. Surely the CPS must appeal. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 38

5:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

DCCCCCC wrote:
Politics aside because in my opinion they are all a load of rubbish, I can't believe tax payers money was spent on this anyway, unless if am wrong and tax payers money wasn't involved, no doubt someone will enlighten me re this.
Yes tax payers money was involved,the police now are really just political police.In my hometown in Cumbria we had a even sillier case Labour got two BNP councillors arrested for comments Labour said was racist in a leaflet,a well known English phrase PAY PEANUTS GET MONKIES was used.Labour complained the police arrested the councillors and thousands of pounds of tax payers money was wasted and the judge threw the case out on the first hearing.The three main parties don't like anyone else to have an opinion and use the political police.I don't agree with Lucas about fracking but I agree they have a right to peacefully protest unfortunately the three main parties don't think the same.
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: Politics aside because in my opinion they are all a load of rubbish, I can't believe tax payers money was spent on this anyway, unless if am wrong and tax payers money wasn't involved, no doubt someone will enlighten me re this.[/p][/quote]Yes tax payers money was involved,the police now are really just political police.In my hometown in Cumbria we had a even sillier case Labour got two BNP councillors arrested for comments Labour said was racist in a leaflet,a well known English phrase PAY PEANUTS GET MONKIES was used.Labour complained the police arrested the councillors and thousands of pounds of tax payers money was wasted and the judge threw the case out on the first hearing.The three main parties don't like anyone else to have an opinion and use the political police.I don't agree with Lucas about fracking but I agree they have a right to peacefully protest unfortunately the three main parties don't think the same. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

5:47pm Thu 17 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
When you vote for the best, you GET the best!

Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Funny I thought the Greens were against greens,why else would they fill in several bowling GREENS and plant wild flowers on them.?Only underused as the green council did not open them just like they did not open lots of council run tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: When you vote for the best, you GET the best! Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Funny I thought the Greens were against greens,why else would they fill in several bowling GREENS and plant wild flowers on them.?Only underused as the green council did not open them just like they did not open lots of council run tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year. clubrob6
  • Score: 8

5:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
We only produce 3% of the worlds green house gases,our energy supplies are not secure as we now rely on foreign imports.We still need energy,no matter what energy source be it wind,solar,nuclear ETC someone protests about it.I say lets get fracking if its controlled correctly there will be no problem.In the mean time these protesters could help with the climate change by stop driving around in there clapped out vehicles and stop having open fires.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]We only produce 3% of the worlds green house gases,our energy supplies are not secure as we now rely on foreign imports.We still need energy,no matter what energy source be it wind,solar,nuclear ETC someone protests about it.I say lets get fracking if its controlled correctly there will be no problem.In the mean time these protesters could help with the climate change by stop driving around in there clapped out vehicles and stop having open fires. clubrob6
  • Score: 11

5:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory.

I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times.

I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there.

Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it.
A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory. I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times. I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there. Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it. HJarrs
  • Score: -43

6:02pm Thu 17 Apr 14

her professional says...

Jimmy935 wrote:
Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty!
No, she was guilty in your opinion, not that of the court.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy935[/bold] wrote: Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty![/p][/quote]No, she was guilty in your opinion, not that of the court. her professional
  • Score: -18

6:22pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Brightonlifeparty says...

I'll stop stealing from this shop but give me 15 minutes first!
Can that be applied to everything now?
I'll stop stealing from this shop but give me 15 minutes first! Can that be applied to everything now? Brightonlifeparty
  • Score: 24

6:22pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics.

Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration.

Surely the CPS must appeal.
They can't appeal.

Bad luck
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics. Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration. Surely the CPS must appeal.[/p][/quote]They can't appeal. Bad luck Andy R
  • Score: -11

6:25pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Sorry....forgot to add "ha ha" to my last message.
Sorry....forgot to add "ha ha" to my last message. Andy R
  • Score: -15

6:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Turns out the police officer who imposed the restrictions on demos at the site had no power to do so. Just gets better.
Turns out the police officer who imposed the restrictions on demos at the site had no power to do so. Just gets better. Andy R
  • Score: -18

6:35pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe.
Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species.
Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen.
You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency.
Your environmental performance locally has been woeful.
While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe. Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species. Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen. You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency. Your environmental performance locally has been woeful. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 35

6:37pm Thu 17 Apr 14

read_a_book says...

All i think when i saw her protesting for anti fracking at an oil well that wasn't fracking was... who voted this idiot in. Then you look at what shes voted for in parliament including votes for prisoners and you really do wonder... Then look at the green council and what they have done, not much other than put the city back years compared to competing citys. Bring on the elections, and save our city
All i think when i saw her protesting for anti fracking at an oil well that wasn't fracking was... who voted this idiot in. Then you look at what shes voted for in parliament including votes for prisoners and you really do wonder... Then look at the green council and what they have done, not much other than put the city back years compared to competing citys. Bring on the elections, and save our city read_a_book
  • Score: 25

6:38pm Thu 17 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !!
Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 16

6:42pm Thu 17 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
When you vote for the best, you GET the best!

Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
You must be joking, (Green girl,) a good name for you, !!!
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: When you vote for the best, you GET the best! Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]You must be joking, (Green girl,) a good name for you, !!! ARMANA
  • Score: 14

6:57pm Thu 17 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
Do you realise pachallis has not been to university?

You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll?

Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green.

You are just going to have to deal with it,
@Green_Girl_1990 - I was getting quite excited to think a 23-24 year old lady was keeping track of my postings - I wondered whether, even with our widely differing ages and political views, this could lead to romance?

Then @Gribbet spoiled it all and let on you were a 46 year old man.
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?[/p][/quote]Do you realise pachallis has not been to university? You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll? Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green. You are just going to have to deal with it,[/p][/quote]@Green_Girl_1990 - I was getting quite excited to think a 23-24 year old lady was keeping track of my postings - I wondered whether, even with our widely differing ages and political views, this could lead to romance? Then @Gribbet spoiled it all and let on you were a 46 year old man. pachallis
  • Score: 17

6:57pm Thu 17 Apr 14

brightonaire says...

If there was any justice in this world she'd catch pubic lice from her fellow protesters and get covered in an itchy rash
If there was any justice in this world she'd catch pubic lice from her fellow protesters and get covered in an itchy rash brightonaire
  • Score: 17

7:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

ourcoalition says...

brightonaire wrote:
If there was any justice in this world she'd catch pubic lice from her fellow protesters and get covered in an itchy rash
What a sad, sad, person you are.

Good for Caroline - good for lawful protest. And by the way, I am employed.

And to echo Andy R - Ha, Ha, Ha................!!
!!!!!!!!!!!! And, yup, I'm childish, as well (on this occasion only).
[quote][p][bold]brightonaire[/bold] wrote: If there was any justice in this world she'd catch pubic lice from her fellow protesters and get covered in an itchy rash[/p][/quote]What a sad, sad, person you are. Good for Caroline - good for lawful protest. And by the way, I am employed. And to echo Andy R - Ha, Ha, Ha................!! !!!!!!!!!!!! And, yup, I'm childish, as well (on this occasion only). ourcoalition
  • Score: -14

7:05pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

There will be a chance to view a different police approach to protest when the March for England visit and are provided an expensive escort at a ratio of four plod for every marcher- if they get the numbers they had last year which I doubt. These wildly differing tactics make it difficult to argue that it's all about free speech.
There will be a chance to view a different police approach to protest when the March for England visit and are provided an expensive escort at a ratio of four plod for every marcher- if they get the numbers they had last year which I doubt. These wildly differing tactics make it difficult to argue that it's all about free speech. Arrggh
  • Score: 8

7:07pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Lord Hamilton says...

Greens out!!! They are ruining this city!!!
Greens out!!! They are ruining this city!!! Lord Hamilton
  • Score: 22

7:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Nikski says...

spa301 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
Do you realise pachallis has not been to university?

You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll?

Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green.

You are just going to have to deal with it,
Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see
And of course spa301 your contribution is not spouting your usual unimaginative crap....buffoon
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?[/p][/quote]Do you realise pachallis has not been to university? You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll? Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green. You are just going to have to deal with it,[/p][/quote]Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see[/p][/quote]And of course spa301 your contribution is not spouting your usual unimaginative crap....buffoon Nikski
  • Score: -7

7:29pm Thu 17 Apr 14

inmegarden says...

This was yet again a clumsy and unprofessional attempt by the Police to control a legitimate protest.
How can we show faith / trust in the Police when they employ and promote such oppressive tactics against peaceful protest.
Shame on you Sussex Police.
Fight the good fight Caroline.
This was yet again a clumsy and unprofessional attempt by the Police to control a legitimate protest. How can we show faith / trust in the Police when they employ and promote such oppressive tactics against peaceful protest. Shame on you Sussex Police. Fight the good fight Caroline. inmegarden
  • Score: -14

7:37pm Thu 17 Apr 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory.

I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times.

I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there.

Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it.
@HJarrs - blah-di blah-di blah -

Just get in contact with the UN and tell them that they have got it all wrong.

Tell them we just have to put more insulation in our houses and only use bicycles and our legs for transport. We should also, I assume, ban all imports and exports and learn to wake up at sunrise and go to sleep at sunset and switch to a totally vegan diet?

Convince them and then I might be willing to take notice of a group of ideological incompetents that have have 4 years in control of the cities transport planning and have managed to increase pollution levels!

Heaven help the planet if the UN took notice of the greens.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory. I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times. I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there. Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - blah-di blah-di blah - Just get in contact with the UN and tell them that they have got it all wrong. Tell them we just have to put more insulation in our houses and only use bicycles and our legs for transport. We should also, I assume, ban all imports and exports and learn to wake up at sunrise and go to sleep at sunset and switch to a totally vegan diet? Convince them and then I might be willing to take notice of a group of ideological incompetents that have have 4 years in control of the cities transport planning and have managed to increase pollution levels! Heaven help the planet if the UN took notice of the greens. pachallis
  • Score: 15

7:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

tez1959 says...

shes not behind bars that means more cycle lanes on the agenda
shes not behind bars that means more cycle lanes on the agenda tez1959
  • Score: 11

8:35pm Thu 17 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory.

I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times.

I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there.

Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it.
@HJarrs - blah-di blah-di blah -

Just get in contact with the UN and tell them that they have got it all wrong.

Tell them we just have to put more insulation in our houses and only use bicycles and our legs for transport. We should also, I assume, ban all imports and exports and learn to wake up at sunrise and go to sleep at sunset and switch to a totally vegan diet?

Convince them and then I might be willing to take notice of a group of ideological incompetents that have have 4 years in control of the cities transport planning and have managed to increase pollution levels!

Heaven help the planet if the UN took notice of the greens.
Not just anything Patchy and it would make little difference to you who I convinced, you are a closed mind. You may try and rubbish it by being childish, but dealing with climate change requires root and branch change. Not the extra runway at Gatwick that you were supporting last week and not fracking.

Fracking is not the fossil fuel industry suddenly discovering an ethical solution to carbon dioxide emmissions. Nothing of the sort, it is to make more money and two fingers to the environment for future generations. Fracked gas is not a bridge fuel in this country, corporations are not investing billions to exploit gas reserves just to turn them off in a few years time, this is nonsense. We have already had a dash for gas, we can burn more to displace coal, but we do not as coal is marginally cheaper. If more fraking makes coal cheaper still, more will be burnt. The "free" market is killing us.

There are plenty of alternatives. As you know, I like the Zero Carbon Britain 2030 proposals (zerocarbonbritain.c
om). A sensible proposal of how to reduce the country's emmissions to net zero, using today's technology, while keeping the lights on and maintaining (for many improving) our quality of life. Changes to life styles of course, but no vegan diets for all no bans for imports and exports, no turning the lights off. But side benefits would the elimination of large energy bills and an end to fuel poverty and the disgraceful spectacle of thousands of deaths from hypothermia every year in one of the richest countries in the world.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: A good decision today. In a country where we seem only too happy to allow the authorities to have total surveillance and to control and supress demonstration against the "norm" or what we are constantly advertised at to follow, this is a small but welcome victory. I hope there are going to be plenty more demonstrations against fracking and indeed all major forms of carbon emissions particularly by a younger generation growing up with the prospect of devastating climate change throughout their life times. I would recommend checking out carbontracker.org for indepth information that shows we continue to have exponential growth world wide of carbon emissions (that is exponential in the correct mathematical sense) and we already have conventional reserves of fossil fuels several times over the limit we must keep to in order not to have devastating levels of climate change. Unconventional supplies such as fracking add many times the amount of hydrocarbons that must not be burnt. Fracking is not a stepping stone to renewables, it is petrochemical giants making yet more money. We only require one stepping stone to renewables in the UK and that is energy reduction through efficiency and reworking the way we live. We just need to go straight there. Fracking, like building yet more runways and motorways is just part of the unthinking endless growth madness that has got us to our parlous position today. Old school and time to dump it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - blah-di blah-di blah - Just get in contact with the UN and tell them that they have got it all wrong. Tell them we just have to put more insulation in our houses and only use bicycles and our legs for transport. We should also, I assume, ban all imports and exports and learn to wake up at sunrise and go to sleep at sunset and switch to a totally vegan diet? Convince them and then I might be willing to take notice of a group of ideological incompetents that have have 4 years in control of the cities transport planning and have managed to increase pollution levels! Heaven help the planet if the UN took notice of the greens.[/p][/quote]Not just anything Patchy and it would make little difference to you who I convinced, you are a closed mind. You may try and rubbish it by being childish, but dealing with climate change requires root and branch change. Not the extra runway at Gatwick that you were supporting last week and not fracking. Fracking is not the fossil fuel industry suddenly discovering an ethical solution to carbon dioxide emmissions. Nothing of the sort, it is to make more money and two fingers to the environment for future generations. Fracked gas is not a bridge fuel in this country, corporations are not investing billions to exploit gas reserves just to turn them off in a few years time, this is nonsense. We have already had a dash for gas, we can burn more to displace coal, but we do not as coal is marginally cheaper. If more fraking makes coal cheaper still, more will be burnt. The "free" market is killing us. There are plenty of alternatives. As you know, I like the Zero Carbon Britain 2030 proposals (zerocarbonbritain.c om). A sensible proposal of how to reduce the country's emmissions to net zero, using today's technology, while keeping the lights on and maintaining (for many improving) our quality of life. Changes to life styles of course, but no vegan diets for all no bans for imports and exports, no turning the lights off. But side benefits would the elimination of large energy bills and an end to fuel poverty and the disgraceful spectacle of thousands of deaths from hypothermia every year in one of the richest countries in the world. HJarrs
  • Score: -16

8:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

south1919 says...

Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Yeh and i bet she will be dining out on this forever more
[quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Yeh and i bet she will be dining out on this forever more south1919
  • Score: 6

9:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

cleggandbacon says...

No case to answer? Must have been GREENS on the bench.
No case to answer? Must have been GREENS on the bench. cleggandbacon
  • Score: 11

9:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill.
Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items.
Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide.
Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill.
HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill. Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items. Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide. Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 9

9:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

straycat says...

If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?
If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply? straycat
  • Score: 14

9:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill.
Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items.
Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide.
Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill.
The top two environmental issues in terms of carbon emissions in the UK are heating, much of which is due to fossil fuels wasted through poorly insulated buildings and poor controls and transport. Fracking and unconventional reserves of hydrocarbons represent dozens of times the reasonable limit of burnable fossil fuels. Far, far from a drop in the ocean.

There are several published scenarios which I have read, none of these propose not having computers or fridges, rather they propose phasing out the most energy guzzling models and using resources more efficiently.

I quite agree that we need to responsibly manaufacture goods with a view not just to construction, but also disposal. We night need radical change, but a hair shirt is not necessary thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill. Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items. Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide. Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill.[/p][/quote]The top two environmental issues in terms of carbon emissions in the UK are heating, much of which is due to fossil fuels wasted through poorly insulated buildings and poor controls and transport. Fracking and unconventional reserves of hydrocarbons represent dozens of times the reasonable limit of burnable fossil fuels. Far, far from a drop in the ocean. There are several published scenarios which I have read, none of these propose not having computers or fridges, rather they propose phasing out the most energy guzzling models and using resources more efficiently. I quite agree that we need to responsibly manaufacture goods with a view not just to construction, but also disposal. We night need radical change, but a hair shirt is not necessary thank you. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

10:27pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Poem58 says...

juleshove wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Are you deluded, comparing Ms Lucas with Nelson Mandela !

Shame she was not found guilty, I was hoping in jail she couldn't cause any more havoc to our city. Worst MP in living memory. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion, and the sooner she goes the better.
'Green Girl' is an obvious spoof commenter designed to make the Greens look bad.
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Are you deluded, comparing Ms Lucas with Nelson Mandela ! Shame she was not found guilty, I was hoping in jail she couldn't cause any more havoc to our city. Worst MP in living memory. Ms Lucas is all about self promotion, and the sooner she goes the better.[/p][/quote]'Green Girl' is an obvious spoof commenter designed to make the Greens look bad. Poem58
  • Score: -1

10:32pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Poem58 says...

ARMANA wrote:
Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !!
Yes, bring on fracking... after which I want to see you drink some fresh clear uncontaminated water from your kitchen tap.... if you dare.
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !![/p][/quote]Yes, bring on fracking... after which I want to see you drink some fresh clear uncontaminated water from your kitchen tap.... if you dare. Poem58
  • Score: -7

10:40pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Poem58 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
When you vote for the best, you GET the best!

Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party!
Funny I thought the Greens were against greens,why else would they fill in several bowling GREENS and plant wild flowers on them.?Only underused as the green council did not open them just like they did not open lots of council run tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year.
'Green Girl' is probably a bloke, spouting garbage on behalf of whichever bunch thinks they can gain from the Greens demise.

Labour, Tory or Liberal.... troll reveal thyself!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: When you vote for the best, you GET the best! Vote Caroline Lucas! Vote Caroline Lucas and Brighton Green Party![/p][/quote]Funny I thought the Greens were against greens,why else would they fill in several bowling GREENS and plant wild flowers on them.?Only underused as the green council did not open them just like they did not open lots of council run tourist attractions like the mini golf course on hove seafront last year.[/p][/quote]'Green Girl' is probably a bloke, spouting garbage on behalf of whichever bunch thinks they can gain from the Greens demise. Labour, Tory or Liberal.... troll reveal thyself! Poem58
  • Score: -1

11:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

D.T.W. wrote:
What a surprise, what about the other four ?
All got cleared .. they have actually said they were not told about the proper place to protest .. So did the police not say Ohh Caroline your allowed to scream and shout over there in the field not here in this little country lane ..
i went to see this anti fracking protest . the police helicopter was flying about for 3 hours , the Sky news helicopter came along and the bbc had some tv coverage later . Caroline Lucas how did you get to court today i would like to know
[quote][p][bold]D.T.W.[/bold] wrote: What a surprise, what about the other four ?[/p][/quote]All got cleared .. they have actually said they were not told about the proper place to protest .. So did the police not say Ohh Caroline your allowed to scream and shout over there in the field not here in this little country lane .. i went to see this anti fracking protest . the police helicopter was flying about for 3 hours , the Sky news helicopter came along and the bbc had some tv coverage later . Caroline Lucas how did you get to court today i would like to know Mr chock
  • Score: 5

11:27pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

Gribbet wrote:
CatoTheCat wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
Wonderful, wonderful news!

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released.

Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party!
Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?
His birth year is 1968
AND Caroline Lucas ... does not seem to call herself Dr anymore .. Argus please stop typing her as Dr Lucas .. ... even her website is clear on this..

http://www.carolinel
ucas.com/about.html

Early life and education
Lucas was born in Malvern in Worcestershire, to middle-class, Conservative parents. Her father ran a small central heating company.

Lucas was educated at Malvern Girls' College (which became Malvern St James in 2006), an independent school in Great Malvern. She then went to the University of Exeter, where she gained a first-class BA (Hons) in English Literature, which she completed in 1983. While there, she went on many trips to Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp and Molesworth peace camp when involved with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). She took a scholarship at the University of Kansas between 1983 and 1984 before doing a Diploma of Journalism in 1987. She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance.

Lucas was an activist in CND and was involved in the Snowball Campaign against US military bases in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CatoTheCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, wonderful news! Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released. Caroline really is the people's champion! It's onward and upward for the Green Party![/p][/quote]Nelson Mandela was released from Robben Island in 1990. Your birth year?[/p][/quote]His birth year is 1968[/p][/quote]AND Caroline Lucas ... does not seem to call herself Dr anymore .. Argus please stop typing her as Dr Lucas .. ... even her website is clear on this.. http://www.carolinel ucas.com/about.html Early life and education[edit] Lucas was born in Malvern in Worcestershire, to middle-class, Conservative parents.[3] Her father ran a small central heating company.[4] Lucas was educated at Malvern Girls' College (which became Malvern St James in 2006), an independent school in Great Malvern. She then went to the University of Exeter, where she gained a first-class BA (Hons) in English Literature, which she completed in 1983.[3][5] While there, she went on many trips to Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp and Molesworth peace camp when involved with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). She took a scholarship at the University of Kansas between 1983 and 1984 before doing a Diploma of Journalism in 1987. She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance.[6] Lucas was an activist in CND and was involved in the Snowball Campaign against US military bases in the UK. Mr chock
  • Score: 0

11:48pm Thu 17 Apr 14

FatherTed11 says...

this happened this afternoon. why is this still BREAKING NEWS ?
this happened this afternoon. why is this still BREAKING NEWS ? FatherTed11
  • Score: 0

11:59pm Thu 17 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill.
Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items.
Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide.
Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill.
The top two environmental issues in terms of carbon emissions in the UK are heating, much of which is due to fossil fuels wasted through poorly insulated buildings and poor controls and transport. Fracking and unconventional reserves of hydrocarbons represent dozens of times the reasonable limit of burnable fossil fuels. Far, far from a drop in the ocean.

There are several published scenarios which I have read, none of these propose not having computers or fridges, rather they propose phasing out the most energy guzzling models and using resources more efficiently.

I quite agree that we need to responsibly manaufacture goods with a view not just to construction, but also disposal. We night need radical change, but a hair shirt is not necessary thank you.
The Internet:

Giving a voice to stupid people since 1989....
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs you know the biggest threat to the environment is the production of electronic consumables which have a vast, vast carbon footprint and which are the worlds biggest growing waste stream with some serious pollutants rather like disposable nappies in landfill. Their production threatens every aspect of the environment, yet only the brave talk about this subject as every person enjoys these cheap and wonderful items from computers to fridges etc and it would be political disaster to suggest managing this waste stream band production of these items. Can you imagine Caroline begging people not to buy fridges but to pay a fortune to get them repaired or telling mums not to buy disposable nappies. Political suicide. Beware people of the smoke and mirrors politicians feed you and that's those from all parties. Fracking is a drop in the ocean of environmental threat compared to the production and disposal of consumables and nappies in landfill.[/p][/quote]The top two environmental issues in terms of carbon emissions in the UK are heating, much of which is due to fossil fuels wasted through poorly insulated buildings and poor controls and transport. Fracking and unconventional reserves of hydrocarbons represent dozens of times the reasonable limit of burnable fossil fuels. Far, far from a drop in the ocean. There are several published scenarios which I have read, none of these propose not having computers or fridges, rather they propose phasing out the most energy guzzling models and using resources more efficiently. I quite agree that we need to responsibly manaufacture goods with a view not just to construction, but also disposal. We night need radical change, but a hair shirt is not necessary thank you.[/p][/quote]The Internet: Giving a voice to stupid people since 1989.... cynic_the
  • Score: 1

1:03am Fri 18 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

so nothing changes another MP gets away with it ,is what the headline should read ,lets all sit back and wait for the council tax bill to rise
so nothing changes another MP gets away with it ,is what the headline should read ,lets all sit back and wait for the council tax bill to rise whatevernext2013
  • Score: 9

1:43am Fri 18 Apr 14

Zeta Function says...

The recent smog event was awful.

Imagine if smog was the norm. Productivity would fall rapidly and life would decline.
The recent smog event was awful. Imagine if smog was the norm. Productivity would fall rapidly and life would decline. Zeta Function
  • Score: -1

5:38am Fri 18 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

Lucky Balcombe residents, their MP is back fighting for them with no threat to her liberty. Brighton used to have an MP of same name, what happened to her?
Lucky Balcombe residents, their MP is back fighting for them with no threat to her liberty. Brighton used to have an MP of same name, what happened to her? NickBrt
  • Score: 6

7:34am Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

NickBrt wrote:
Lucky Balcombe residents, their MP is back fighting for them with no threat to her liberty. Brighton used to have an MP of same name, what happened to her?
Nothing to add as usual eh Nick
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Lucky Balcombe residents, their MP is back fighting for them with no threat to her liberty. Brighton used to have an MP of same name, what happened to her?[/p][/quote]Nothing to add as usual eh Nick HJarrs
  • Score: -10

8:03am Fri 18 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful? Plantpot
  • Score: 8

8:09am Fri 18 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Jimmy935 wrote:
Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty!
I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred?

Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy935[/bold] wrote: Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty![/p][/quote]I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred? Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though. Plantpot
  • Score: 4

8:20am Fri 18 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Jimmy935 wrote:
Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty!
I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred?

Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy935[/bold] wrote: Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty![/p][/quote]I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred? Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though. Plantpot
  • Score: 0

8:42am Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Plantpot wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need.

People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?[/p][/quote]Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need. People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service. HJarrs
  • Score: -8

9:16am Fri 18 Apr 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need.

People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.
The greens have proved themselves to be a divided and divisive party. Not many people will give them a second chance as it has become very clear that any environmental message is just being used as a threat to scare people into voting for them and their real aim is to implement the sort of far left loony tunes policies most people had thought we had left behind decades ago. The fact Andy R and Alex Knutsen are gloating on this thread shows how keen they are for the return of a high tax high spend party, they obviously have dreams of Bob Crowe style mega wages and pensions.
As for Caroline, she will be gutted not to have been convicted as this was her chance to set herself up as a martyr and boost her reelection chances which have been so badly damaged by the local green councils antics.
Funny how when repeatedly asked by the police who spent hours negotiating with her if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she didn't say " wait ten or fifteen minutes because we are about to leave" yet that claim of just being about to leave became central to her defence, you couldn't make it up. Or rather perhaps you could.
I haven't forgotten the six months it took her to actually move to Brighton after being elected because her childrens private education took priority over Brighton. Does she actually live in Brighton now? Or does she just have flat here? Nor do I conveniently ignore her privileged background and lack of any experience in the real world. Nor have I forgotten her call for us norms to take a massive cut in our standard of living to save the world whilst she steadfastly refuses to give up any of the trappings of the millionaires lifestyle she leads courtesy of the tax payer and her husband. Youre not exactly leading from the front on that one are you Caroline? Funny how Andy R Alex Knutsen and HJARRS who would normally despise this sort of hobbyist over privileged politician all seem blinded by a flash of green when it comes to Lucas. Normally with her background she would be lumped in with the over privileged type of out of touch politician that Cameron and Milliband clearly are.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?[/p][/quote]Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need. People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.[/p][/quote]The greens have proved themselves to be a divided and divisive party. Not many people will give them a second chance as it has become very clear that any environmental message is just being used as a threat to scare people into voting for them and their real aim is to implement the sort of far left loony tunes policies most people had thought we had left behind decades ago. The fact Andy R and Alex Knutsen are gloating on this thread shows how keen they are for the return of a high tax high spend party, they obviously have dreams of Bob Crowe style mega wages and pensions. As for Caroline, she will be gutted not to have been convicted as this was her chance to set herself up as a martyr and boost her reelection chances which have been so badly damaged by the local green councils antics. Funny how when repeatedly asked by the police who spent hours negotiating with her if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she didn't say " wait ten or fifteen minutes because we are about to leave" yet that claim of just being about to leave became central to her defence, you couldn't make it up. Or rather perhaps you could. I haven't forgotten the six months it took her to actually move to Brighton after being elected because her childrens private education took priority over Brighton. Does she actually live in Brighton now? Or does she just have flat here? Nor do I conveniently ignore her privileged background and lack of any experience in the real world. Nor have I forgotten her call for us norms to take a massive cut in our standard of living to save the world whilst she steadfastly refuses to give up any of the trappings of the millionaires lifestyle she leads courtesy of the tax payer and her husband. Youre not exactly leading from the front on that one are you Caroline? Funny how Andy R Alex Knutsen and HJARRS who would normally despise this sort of hobbyist over privileged politician all seem blinded by a flash of green when it comes to Lucas. Normally with her background she would be lumped in with the over privileged type of out of touch politician that Cameron and Milliband clearly are. JHunty
  • Score: 7

9:22am Fri 18 Apr 14

PJW Brighton says...

Plantpot wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
No they didn't. If you actually bother to read the report they say that fracked shale gas may be better than coal; but that non-fossil fuels are a much safer option.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?[/p][/quote]No they didn't. If you actually bother to read the report they say that fracked shale gas may be better than coal; but that non-fossil fuels are a much safer option. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -3

9:24am Fri 18 Apr 14

PJW Brighton says...

pachallis wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
@PJW Brighton - I think you'll find the latest report recommends switching from oil and coal to natural gas as a way to reduce CO2 emissions as we move globally to more sustainable energy sources (i.e.solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, nuclear, hydrogen) over the next 50 years.

First stage - convert buses, taxis lorries and trains from diesel to CNG (compressed natural gas).

And where do we get natural gas (aka Methane) from - apart from the North Sea which is drying up, from Russia where they try to hold us to ransom, or by liquefying it and shipping by sea from the Middle East?

Answer - fracking!

HJarrs (bless him!) has already got very upset about this and wants us to give up motor vehicles and walk or cycle everywhere instead.
No, the latest report that said that gas may be better than coal and oil, but that non-fossil fuels are to be preferred.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]@PJW Brighton - I think you'll find the latest report recommends switching from oil and coal to natural gas as a way to reduce CO2 emissions as we move globally to more sustainable energy sources (i.e.solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, nuclear, hydrogen) over the next 50 years. First stage - convert buses, taxis lorries and trains from diesel to CNG (compressed natural gas). And where do we get natural gas (aka Methane) from - apart from the North Sea which is drying up, from Russia where they try to hold us to ransom, or by liquefying it and shipping by sea from the Middle East? Answer - fracking! HJarrs (bless him!) has already got very upset about this and wants us to give up motor vehicles and walk or cycle everywhere instead.[/p][/quote]No, the latest report that said that gas may be better than coal and oil, but that non-fossil fuels are to be preferred. PJW Brighton
  • Score: -3

9:28am Fri 18 Apr 14

Morpheus says...

The usual poor standard of reporting from the Argus. Not a single word about why she was found not guilty.
The usual poor standard of reporting from the Argus. Not a single word about why she was found not guilty. Morpheus
  • Score: 3

10:01am Fri 18 Apr 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need.

People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.
@HJarrs - 'Green...the only party that gives the environment priority'.

Closely followed by ideology, incompetence, focusing on minorities, belief in quack-science such as homeopathy and magic, whilst keeping quiet about their left-wing aims.

And remember their complete lack of responsibility. scientific analysis, statistical analysis, economics, business acumen, pragmatism, realism and concern for rate paying residents and tax payers.

Admit it - the greens have lost it - come May 2015 when over-aged student Lucas has had to go to another constituency with enough students and feminists to get her elected, and the green councilors have all had to go and get proper jobs, we can get back to having a proper council (any colour but green please).
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?[/p][/quote]Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need. People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - 'Green...the only party that gives the environment priority'. Closely followed by ideology, incompetence, focusing on minorities, belief in quack-science such as homeopathy and magic, whilst keeping quiet about their left-wing aims. And remember their complete lack of responsibility. scientific analysis, statistical analysis, economics, business acumen, pragmatism, realism and concern for rate paying residents and tax payers. Admit it - the greens have lost it - come May 2015 when over-aged student Lucas has had to go to another constituency with enough students and feminists to get her elected, and the green councilors have all had to go and get proper jobs, we can get back to having a proper council (any colour but green please). pachallis
  • Score: 4

10:10am Fri 18 Apr 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.
LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?
Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need.

People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.
The greens have proved themselves to be a divided and divisive party. Not many people will give them a second chance as it has become very clear that any environmental message is just being used as a threat to scare people into voting for them and their real aim is to implement the sort of far left loony tunes policies most people had thought we had left behind decades ago. The fact Andy R and Alex Knutsen are gloating on this thread shows how keen they are for the return of a high tax high spend party, they obviously have dreams of Bob Crowe style mega wages and pensions.
As for Caroline, she will be gutted not to have been convicted as this was her chance to set herself up as a martyr and boost her reelection chances which have been so badly damaged by the local green councils antics.
Funny how when repeatedly asked by the police who spent hours negotiating with her if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she didn't say " wait ten or fifteen minutes because we are about to leave" yet that claim of just being about to leave became central to her defence, you couldn't make it up. Or rather perhaps you could.
I haven't forgotten the six months it took her to actually move to Brighton after being elected because her childrens private education took priority over Brighton. Does she actually live in Brighton now? Or does she just have flat here? Nor do I conveniently ignore her privileged background and lack of any experience in the real world. Nor have I forgotten her call for us norms to take a massive cut in our standard of living to save the world whilst she steadfastly refuses to give up any of the trappings of the millionaires lifestyle she leads courtesy of the tax payer and her husband. Youre not exactly leading from the front on that one are you Caroline? Funny how Andy R Alex Knutsen and HJARRS who would normally despise this sort of hobbyist over privileged politician all seem blinded by a flash of green when it comes to Lucas. Normally with her background she would be lumped in with the over privileged type of out of touch politician that Cameron and Milliband clearly are.
Oh look who's turned up, bringing nothing to the discussion, as usual.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: The UN's latest comprehensive report on climate change this week makes it clear that the only safe and responsible thing to do with shale gas is to leave it in the ground. Fracking will accelerate climate change and pollute our environment, when the overwhelming scientific and political consensus confirms that we need to move in the opposite direction.[/p][/quote]LOL. Do keep up. The IPCC have just amended your sacred texts to CALL for fracking as an alternative to coal production. Isn't science wonderful?[/p][/quote]Gas from fracking COULD be used to replace coal. But nobody actually believes this is going to be the case (and I bet you don't either) and there is no proposal to do so in this country. The fossil fuel companies will extract oil, gas and coal from any commercially viable source they can get there hands on, be it tar sands, fracking or burning coal seams in situ. All for a fast buck and no concern for the future. It is down to ordinary people to stop this happening by changing lifestyles, purchasing and investing power and electing politicians that can push the laws and regulations that we need. People care about the environment and they can make a start to defend it by voting Green, as it is sadly the only party that gives the environment priority and not just lip service.[/p][/quote]The greens have proved themselves to be a divided and divisive party. Not many people will give them a second chance as it has become very clear that any environmental message is just being used as a threat to scare people into voting for them and their real aim is to implement the sort of far left loony tunes policies most people had thought we had left behind decades ago. The fact Andy R and Alex Knutsen are gloating on this thread shows how keen they are for the return of a high tax high spend party, they obviously have dreams of Bob Crowe style mega wages and pensions. As for Caroline, she will be gutted not to have been convicted as this was her chance to set herself up as a martyr and boost her reelection chances which have been so badly damaged by the local green councils antics. Funny how when repeatedly asked by the police who spent hours negotiating with her if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she didn't say " wait ten or fifteen minutes because we are about to leave" yet that claim of just being about to leave became central to her defence, you couldn't make it up. Or rather perhaps you could. I haven't forgotten the six months it took her to actually move to Brighton after being elected because her childrens private education took priority over Brighton. Does she actually live in Brighton now? Or does she just have flat here? Nor do I conveniently ignore her privileged background and lack of any experience in the real world. Nor have I forgotten her call for us norms to take a massive cut in our standard of living to save the world whilst she steadfastly refuses to give up any of the trappings of the millionaires lifestyle she leads courtesy of the tax payer and her husband. Youre not exactly leading from the front on that one are you Caroline? Funny how Andy R Alex Knutsen and HJARRS who would normally despise this sort of hobbyist over privileged politician all seem blinded by a flash of green when it comes to Lucas. Normally with her background she would be lumped in with the over privileged type of out of touch politician that Cameron and Milliband clearly are.[/p][/quote]Oh look who's turned up, bringing nothing to the discussion, as usual. Andy R
  • Score: -4

10:12am Fri 18 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Plantpot wrote:
Jimmy935 wrote:
Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty!
I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred?

Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though.
What a shame the court didn't have the benefit of your expert eyewitness testimony.

Doh......
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy935[/bold] wrote: Brighton Magistrates Court is an absolute disgrace. This case should not have been about individuals thoughts or feelings about fracking (which was legal like it or not) but simply was she blocking/obstructing the road? The defense of "we would have moved given another 15 minutes" is simply not good enough. Caroline you were obstructing the highway, you were guIlty![/p][/quote]I agree, it is gobsmacking that she was found not guilty. Cuadrilla were carrying out lawful activity. The protestors prevented this from happening through protest. The protest had been made, but the protestors refused to move on. It's a shame Cuadrilla don't take civil action against the protestors for any losses incurred? Let's be honest, these protests have little to no effect anyway. It does help Lucas cement the gullible vote on Muesli mountain though.[/p][/quote]What a shame the court didn't have the benefit of your expert eyewitness testimony. Doh...... Andy R
  • Score: 0

10:45am Fri 18 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012.
This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power.
Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs.
It's a shame but it's the way it is.
The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012. This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power. Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs. It's a shame but it's the way it is. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 4

11:00am Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012. This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power. Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs. It's a shame but it's the way it is.
That is not the way it is and certainly does not need to be. All you demonstrate the limit of the market mechanism that puts short term gain over very long term pain and the need for serious intervention.

If we follow your logic, we are finished.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012. This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power. Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs. It's a shame but it's the way it is.[/p][/quote]That is not the way it is and certainly does not need to be. All you demonstrate the limit of the market mechanism that puts short term gain over very long term pain and the need for serious intervention. If we follow your logic, we are finished. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

11:18am Fri 18 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Please read the many government reports on the issue and also Greenpeace have also published a report on the same issue, it's interesting.
Sadly, HJarrs, when we have a green council yet our parks are inhabited by diesel vans, we have dropped down the carbon table and our recycling rates are lower now than in 2007 and we have one of the lowest levels in the uk, people who may have voted for the Eco credentials of the party are no longer convinced that the party has the ability to deliver or really the interest in the local environment. The members seem more interest in international issues and politics than grass roots boring issues like recycling.
The party missed its chance and I am sure it won't get another here in Brighton. Also Caroline really should return to the city and do something out our green spaces as the threats she was campaigning against in Balcombe are exactly the same threats from diesel vans.
Come on Caroline, I know there's no photoshoot opportunities evicting hippies and travellers from parks, but local voters might support you. I don't care whose parked up, they shouldn't be and you need to care about your local voters and environment.
Please read the many government reports on the issue and also Greenpeace have also published a report on the same issue, it's interesting. Sadly, HJarrs, when we have a green council yet our parks are inhabited by diesel vans, we have dropped down the carbon table and our recycling rates are lower now than in 2007 and we have one of the lowest levels in the uk, people who may have voted for the Eco credentials of the party are no longer convinced that the party has the ability to deliver or really the interest in the local environment. The members seem more interest in international issues and politics than grass roots boring issues like recycling. The party missed its chance and I am sure it won't get another here in Brighton. Also Caroline really should return to the city and do something out our green spaces as the threats she was campaigning against in Balcombe are exactly the same threats from diesel vans. Come on Caroline, I know there's no photoshoot opportunities evicting hippies and travellers from parks, but local voters might support you. I don't care whose parked up, they shouldn't be and you need to care about your local voters and environment. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

3:51pm Fri 18 Apr 14

her professional says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics.

Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration.

Surely the CPS must appeal.
Let's scrap the British system of justice and just ask people round the shops what they think, we'll be the envy of the world. Careful what you wish for Martha G.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: A quick vox populi round the shops this afternoon showed that the punters, almost universally, were hoping for a non-suspended custodial sentence.They are sick of her antics. Overwhelmingly people were disgusted that she had escaped incarceration. Surely the CPS must appeal.[/p][/quote]Let's scrap the British system of justice and just ask people round the shops what they think, we'll be the envy of the world. Careful what you wish for Martha G. her professional
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Russjackal says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Difficult to believe.

Now the Luddite Green Party will be able to get away with anything.
Shame she wasn't charged with "worlds ugliest vegetarian", would have got ten years at least
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Difficult to believe. Now the Luddite Green Party will be able to get away with anything.[/p][/quote]Shame she wasn't charged with "worlds ugliest vegetarian", would have got ten years at least Russjackal
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Fri 18 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Poem58 wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !!
Yes, bring on fracking... after which I want to see you drink some fresh clear uncontaminated water from your kitchen tap.... if you dare.
Not a problem bud, Im not one of those type of people who sit at home worrying about this or that they put in the news, & the world is going to end the day after tomorrow, Il drink the water come what may, bring on the Fracking, we need the energy,
[quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: Every one is entitled to peaceful protest, but I was hoping they would make an exception for Lucas, & give her a mandatory life sentence, oh well, never mind, !![/p][/quote]Yes, bring on fracking... after which I want to see you drink some fresh clear uncontaminated water from your kitchen tap.... if you dare.[/p][/quote]Not a problem bud, Im not one of those type of people who sit at home worrying about this or that they put in the news, & the world is going to end the day after tomorrow, Il drink the water come what may, bring on the Fracking, we need the energy, ARMANA
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Chazza65 says...

let's not forget the issue here - Tory ministers are determined to make their chums in the oil industry rich and obtain directorships when retired at the expense of potentially polluting the water table - whilst countries like germany forge ahead with renewables to make themselves self sustaining in the LONG TERM - this governments energy policies are frankly disgraceful
let's not forget the issue here - Tory ministers are determined to make their chums in the oil industry rich and obtain directorships when retired at the expense of potentially polluting the water table - whilst countries like germany forge ahead with renewables to make themselves self sustaining in the LONG TERM - this governments energy policies are frankly disgraceful Chazza65
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Fri 18 Apr 14

JWinner says...

straycat wrote:
If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?
Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?
[quote][p][bold]straycat[/bold] wrote: If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?[/p][/quote]Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about? JWinner
  • Score: -2

12:10pm Sat 19 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

spa301 wrote:
Green_Girl_1990 wrote:
pachallis wrote:
You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?
Do you realise pachallis has not been to university?

You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll?

Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green.

You are just going to have to deal with it,
Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see
Oh the irony of your posr!!
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Green_Girl_1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: You do realize Green_Girl_1990 is a troll?[/p][/quote]Do you realise pachallis has not been to university? You have such little intelligence that you think that anybody who supports the Green party MUST be a troll? Sad unhappy little man, every day in every way more and more people in Brighton are voting Green. You are just going to have to deal with it,[/p][/quote]Spouting your usual unimaginative crap again I see[/p][/quote]Oh the irony of your posr!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

11:36am Sun 20 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

Andy R wrote:
Turns out the police officer who imposed the restrictions on demos at the site had no power to do so. Just gets better.
A loophole discovered means a loophole closed before long. The political elite will not be happy till they control every aspect of our lives.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Turns out the police officer who imposed the restrictions on demos at the site had no power to do so. Just gets better.[/p][/quote]A loophole discovered means a loophole closed before long. The political elite will not be happy till they control every aspect of our lives. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

12:46pm Sun 20 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012. This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power. Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs. It's a shame but it's the way it is.
That is not the way it is and certainly does not need to be. All you demonstrate the limit of the market mechanism that puts short term gain over very long term pain and the need for serious intervention.

If we follow your logic, we are finished.
The people running the energy industries, ARE only interested in short term gain, right or wrong, thats how it is. so maybe we are finished, but I doubt it, NEXT SCARE STORY PLEASE, !!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The UK increased its use of coal to generate power by a third from 2012. This has been due to the US flooding the European markets with cheap coal as the US has moved to using fracked gas for power. Even if the UK doesn't frack, we are benefitting from it with cheaper fossil fuel. To attempt to operate in isolation from the global market by becoming 'green' won't happen when it remains cheaper for the domestic market to use fossil generated fuel than installing expensive Eco kit which actually still has a large carbon footprint due to production, installation and maintenance costs. It's a shame but it's the way it is.[/p][/quote]That is not the way it is and certainly does not need to be. All you demonstrate the limit of the market mechanism that puts short term gain over very long term pain and the need for serious intervention. If we follow your logic, we are finished.[/p][/quote]The people running the energy industries, ARE only interested in short term gain, right or wrong, thats how it is. so maybe we are finished, but I doubt it, NEXT SCARE STORY PLEASE, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Sun 20 Apr 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

A nursery rhyme for our times :-

Saint Caroline is all of a buzz,
She's just put one over the fuzz
But those who want fracking
Say "come on get cracking"
And bury the Green zealots cause
A nursery rhyme for our times :- Saint Caroline is all of a buzz, She's just put one over the fuzz But those who want fracking Say "come on get cracking" And bury the Green zealots cause Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: -2

4:31pm Sun 20 Apr 14

f-stopfitzgerald says...

JWinner wrote:
straycat wrote:
If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?
Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?
Keep up!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10475876.
Water_pollution_fear
s_over_Brighton_trav
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[quote][p][bold]JWinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straycat[/bold] wrote: If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?[/p][/quote]Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?[/p][/quote]Keep up! http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10475876. Water_pollution_fear s_over_Brighton_trav eller_site_bid/ f-stopfitzgerald
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Sun 20 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

Saint Caroline is all of a buzz,
She's just put one over the fuzz
But those who want fracking
Say "come on get cracking"
And bury the Green zealots cause
Dont give up your day job, !!!
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- Saint Caroline is all of a buzz, She's just put one over the fuzz But those who want fracking Say "come on get cracking" And bury the Green zealots cause[/p][/quote]Dont give up your day job, !!! ARMANA
  • Score: 2

9:52am Mon 21 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe.
Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species.
Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen.
You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency.
Your environmental performance locally has been woeful.
Why do you continue to tell lies and half-truths?! The FACTis that these travellers have been coming here and camping on council owned land for years. As soon as they set up camp on LA land the council get injunctions to get them moved on - but the you know that don't you! As for the Wild Park incident the gate was opened by council officers to prevent a dangerous incident on the Lewes Road - but again you know that don't you!!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe. Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species. Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen. You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency. Your environmental performance locally has been woeful.[/p][/quote]Why do you continue to tell lies and half-truths?! The FACTis that these travellers have been coming here and camping on council owned land for years. As soon as they set up camp on LA land the council get injunctions to get them moved on - but the you know that don't you! As for the Wild Park incident the gate was opened by council officers to prevent a dangerous incident on the Lewes Road - but again you know that don't you!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

12:50am Tue 22 Apr 14

JWinner says...

f-stopfitzgerald wrote:
JWinner wrote:
straycat wrote:
If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?
Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?
Keep up!
http://www.theargus.

co.uk/news/10475876.

Water_pollution_fear

s_over_Brighton_trav

eller_site_bid/
Oh. Well those concerns sound fair enough. Has the planning permission been granted, then? Have the Environment Agency not found any possible contamination?
[quote][p][bold]f-stopfitzgerald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JWinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straycat[/bold] wrote: If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?[/p][/quote]Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?[/p][/quote]Keep up! http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10475876. Water_pollution_fear s_over_Brighton_trav eller_site_bid/[/p][/quote]Oh. Well those concerns sound fair enough. Has the planning permission been granted, then? Have the Environment Agency not found any possible contamination? JWinner
  • Score: 0

8:37am Tue 22 Apr 14

f-stopfitzgerald says...

JWinner wrote:
f-stopfitzgerald wrote:
JWinner wrote:
straycat wrote: If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?
Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?
Keep up! http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10475876. Water_pollution_fear s_over_Brighton_trav eller_site_bid/
Oh. Well those concerns sound fair enough. Has the planning permission been granted, then? Have the Environment Agency not found any possible contamination?
I believe so, subject to condtions re safety of water supply (which I understand will add significantly to the cost of the site). But I think there has also been an appeal against the decision.
[quote][p][bold]JWinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]f-stopfitzgerald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JWinner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straycat[/bold] wrote: If the Greens are such committed environmentalists, why are they continuing to pursue their ridiculous plans for a larger traveller camp at Horsdean when this will not only have a dramatic effect on the landscape but may also cause contamination of Brighton's water supply?[/p][/quote]Now this I have to hear. The gyppos are poisoning our wells, are they? What on earth are you babbling about?[/p][/quote]Keep up! http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/10475876. Water_pollution_fear s_over_Brighton_trav eller_site_bid/[/p][/quote]Oh. Well those concerns sound fair enough. Has the planning permission been granted, then? Have the Environment Agency not found any possible contamination?[/p][/quote]I believe so, subject to condtions re safety of water supply (which I understand will add significantly to the cost of the site). But I think there has also been an appeal against the decision. f-stopfitzgerald
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9:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe.
Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species.
Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen.
You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency.
Your environmental performance locally has been woeful.
Why do you continue to tell lies and half-truths?! The FACTis that these travellers have been coming here and camping on council owned land for years. As soon as they set up camp on LA land the council get injunctions to get them moved on - but the you know that don't you! As for the Wild Park incident the gate was opened by council officers to prevent a dangerous incident on the Lewes Road - but again you know that don't you!!
Gattling gob, you know that too, !!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: While I support Caroline's fight for the right to protest, I do wish she would give the people of Brighton and Hove the same level of commitment to protecting the environment that she has given to the high profile PR issue of fracking in Balcombe. Miss Lucas, for the past few years, B&H council under the Green Party has refused to carry out its statutory duty of protecting the environment by allowing people to park and live in our parks with their diesel vans. Only last month dozens of vans were in Wild Park and a quad bike which had Ben parked outside one of the caravans was seen being ridden through woodland nearby during a key breeding season of protected species. Your fellow Greens have even opened the gates to Wild Park to allow this to happen. You now need to show local people your commitment to our environment instead of heading to PR opportunities outside of your constituency. Your environmental performance locally has been woeful.[/p][/quote]Why do you continue to tell lies and half-truths?! The FACTis that these travellers have been coming here and camping on council owned land for years. As soon as they set up camp on LA land the council get injunctions to get them moved on - but the you know that don't you! As for the Wild Park incident the gate was opened by council officers to prevent a dangerous incident on the Lewes Road - but again you know that don't you!![/p][/quote]Gattling gob, you know that too, !! ARMANA
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9:34pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

ARMANA wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

Saint Caroline is all of a buzz,
She's just put one over the fuzz
But those who want fracking
Say "come on get cracking"
And bury the Green zealots cause
Dont give up your day job, !!!
I won't and you go careful near candles my friend !
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- Saint Caroline is all of a buzz, She's just put one over the fuzz But those who want fracking Say "come on get cracking" And bury the Green zealots cause[/p][/quote]Dont give up your day job, !!![/p][/quote]I won't and you go careful near candles my friend ! Idontbelieveit1948
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9:44pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

Saint Caroline is all of a buzz,
She's just put one over the fuzz
But those who want fracking
Say "come on get cracking"
And bury the Green zealots cause
Dont give up your day job, !!!
I won't and you go careful near candles my friend !
Dont use candles bud, I assume you like a candle, tut tut,
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- Saint Caroline is all of a buzz, She's just put one over the fuzz But those who want fracking Say "come on get cracking" And bury the Green zealots cause[/p][/quote]Dont give up your day job, !!![/p][/quote]I won't and you go careful near candles my friend ![/p][/quote]Dont use candles bud, I assume you like a candle, tut tut, ARMANA
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3:08am Wed 23 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

Morpheus wrote:
The usual poor standard of reporting from the Argus. Not a single word about why she was found not guilty.
as i understand it the article has this ... A notice under Section 14 of the Public Order Act was imposed, requiring demonstrators to use a designated protest area away from Cuadrilla's entrance.

Dr Lucas told the trial it felt important and "symbolic" to be based outside the main gate during the protest, which lasted about five hours from around 10.15am.



Giving evidence, she denied being told of a designated protest area by police, adding: "I couldn't see any reason why we couldn't continue our peaceful protest."

Pc Robert Staplehurst, of Sussex Police, told the court he approached Ms Lucas, said there was a Section 14 notice and asked whether there was anything he could say to move her.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: The usual poor standard of reporting from the Argus. Not a single word about why she was found not guilty.[/p][/quote]as i understand it the article has this ... A notice under Section 14 of the Public Order Act was imposed, requiring demonstrators to use a designated protest area away from Cuadrilla's entrance. Dr Lucas told the trial it felt important and "symbolic" to be based outside the main gate during the protest, which lasted about five hours from around 10.15am. Giving evidence, she denied being told of a designated protest area by police, adding: "I couldn't see any reason why we couldn't continue our peaceful protest." Pc Robert Staplehurst, of Sussex Police, told the court he approached Ms Lucas, said there was a Section 14 notice and asked whether there was anything he could say to move her. Mr chock
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7:34am Wed 23 Apr 14

hoveguyactually says...

"Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released."

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory.
"Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released." Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory. hoveguyactually
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2:59pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
"Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released."

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory.
i dont remember that day.. but i do remember the BBC news saying well we will just wait on this image to see if Caroline lucas leaves the court rooms to make a public statement .. she knows REALLY does know the publicity machine well .. BUT she is not a Dr .. !! will the argus and news coverage get that right ?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: "Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released." Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory.[/p][/quote]i dont remember that day.. but i do remember the BBC news saying well we will just wait on this image to see if Caroline lucas leaves the court rooms to make a public statement .. she knows REALLY does know the publicity machine well .. BUT she is not a Dr .. !! will the argus and news coverage get that right ? Mr chock
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3:47pm Wed 23 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Mr chock wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
"Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released."

Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory.
i dont remember that day.. but i do remember the BBC news saying well we will just wait on this image to see if Caroline lucas leaves the court rooms to make a public statement .. she knows REALLY does know the publicity machine well .. BUT she is not a Dr .. !! will the argus and news coverage get that right ?
@Mr chock - according to Wikipedia, Caroline Lucas is indeed a Dr - 'She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance'.

So not (IMHO) a real Doctor, and absolutely nothing to do with anything scientific or economic or business or mathematical that might help her be able to understand ecology or the energy business, but does make it 'legal' for Caroline to call herself a 'Doctor'.

Her studies are, though, very useful for her pro-feminist, pro-minority activities - might also explain her support for homeopathy.
[quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: "Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Nelson Mandela was released." Seeing Caroline on the front steps of the court reminded me of the day that Thatcher came to power. A horrible memory.[/p][/quote]i dont remember that day.. but i do remember the BBC news saying well we will just wait on this image to see if Caroline lucas leaves the court rooms to make a public statement .. she knows REALLY does know the publicity machine well .. BUT she is not a Dr .. !! will the argus and news coverage get that right ?[/p][/quote]@Mr chock - according to Wikipedia, Caroline Lucas is indeed a Dr - 'She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance'. So not (IMHO) a real Doctor, and absolutely nothing to do with anything scientific or economic or business or mathematical that might help her be able to understand ecology or the energy business, but does make it 'legal' for Caroline to call herself a 'Doctor'. Her studies are, though, very useful for her pro-feminist, pro-minority activities - might also explain her support for homeopathy. pachallis
  • Score: 3

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