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'Significant' police presence for March for England

The Argus: Police at last year's March for England in Brighton Police at last year's March for England in Brighton

A “significant” police presence is being prepared to ensure a “safe environment” when the March for England returns to Brighton.

Sussex Police are making preparations for the march along the seafront on April 27 with counter protests from groups such as Unite Against Fascism expected.

Superintendent Steve Whitton said: “It is really important that if there are any incidents of crime or disorder or people coming with the intent of taking part in a peaceful protest that we deal with them effectively.

“The other part of the operation is to engage with people and being very visible and I want people to be reassured that the visibility and the availability of the officers on the day will be there to ensure that people can carry on business as usual.

“The city will look different, it will feel different, but it is my objective to ensure a safe environment for everyone.”


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Traffic and pedestrian restrictions will be in place during the day, with the A259 King's Road being cordoned off to vehicles between 11am and 1.30pm.

Last year saw a £500,000 police operation attempting to keep demonstrators and anti-fascist groups apart.As well as violent street battles, traders were left counting their losses as large areas of the city shut down for the day.

The event has been held annually since 2010 to coincide with St George's Day.

Supt Whitton said the police will be working to ensure King's Road is open in as “tight a time frame as possible”.

He said there will be barriers on the side of the road to prevent access from Black Lion Street, Ship Street and Middle Street.

He added: “What we are certainly doing this year is spending a lot of time speaking to the local traders and residents to discuss the details of the plans to make sure we take advantage of any opportunity to minimise the impact on them as individuals - but inevitably there will be disruption on the day.”

Supt Whitton said they will work with all groups involved in the protest to achieve a peaceful day.

For full details of road closures visit www.sussex.police.uk/whats-happening/march-for-england

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6:44am Fri 18 Apr 14

menowhere says...

take the march along the beach. did anyone think that there are lots of stones to throw?
take the march along the beach. did anyone think that there are lots of stones to throw? menowhere
  • Score: 6

7:00am Fri 18 Apr 14

MikeyA says...

Can't all the marches be organised for the same weekend to save costs? How about Pride, EDL and Smash EDO all at the same time? I'd pay to watch that!
Can't all the marches be organised for the same weekend to save costs? How about Pride, EDL and Smash EDO all at the same time? I'd pay to watch that! MikeyA
  • Score: 18

7:22am Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Surely, it should be April for England? They missed the boat for March.
Surely, it should be April for England? They missed the boat for March. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

8:39am Fri 18 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.
The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -11

9:13am Fri 18 Apr 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

A bit like the Boat Race is always on the same stretch of the Thames so we always seem to end up hosting the annual "working class patriots verses smug middle activists" match. And like the Boat Race I don't give a stuff who wins - but can't they hold in somewhere like Scarborough next year and give Brighton a break?
A bit like the Boat Race is always on the same stretch of the Thames so we always seem to end up hosting the annual "working class patriots verses smug middle activists" match. And like the Boat Race I don't give a stuff who wins - but can't they hold in somewhere like Scarborough next year and give Brighton a break? Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 24

9:18am Fri 18 Apr 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle').
I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.
Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle'). I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 0

10:13am Fri 18 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

Will caroline cone down from sitting on the road in Balcombe to protest?
Will caroline cone down from sitting on the road in Balcombe to protest? NickBrt
  • Score: 9

10:36am Fri 18 Apr 14

ourcoalition says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.
Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)?

Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another?

See you next week Mr "left foot"!!!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.[/p][/quote]Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)? Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another? See you next week Mr "left foot"!!! ourcoalition
  • Score: -9

10:50am Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle').
I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.
Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle'). I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.[/p][/quote]Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots? HJarrs
  • Score: -9

10:54am Fri 18 Apr 14

hursthill says...

When I was very young we used to have the " Mods n Rockers " who came down to Brighton for a fight. Since then we have had - Smashedo, - Lucas/ Greens,- Greenstein/ PSC, - National Front/EDL, and now March For England.

But don't worry - they all end up like the Dinosaurs - extinct.
When I was very young we used to have the " Mods n Rockers " who came down to Brighton for a fight. Since then we have had - Smashedo, - Lucas/ Greens,- Greenstein/ PSC, - National Front/EDL, and now March For England. But don't worry - they all end up like the Dinosaurs - extinct. hursthill
  • Score: 11

11:15am Fri 18 Apr 14

brightonaire says...

It's like committing a crime showing a bit of patriotism.... I know who I'd want standing beside me in the trenches... put some pride back into Britain and stop the massive drain off of our resources on parasites... even the foreign doctors aren't being tested properly and a huge percentage of them are being struck off.... scandalous
It's like committing a crime showing a bit of patriotism.... I know who I'd want standing beside me in the trenches... put some pride back into Britain and stop the massive drain off of our resources on parasites... even the foreign doctors aren't being tested properly and a huge percentage of them are being struck off.... scandalous brightonaire
  • Score: 7

11:53am Fri 18 Apr 14

jwilso says...

For decades the scout and guide movements have carried out their St. Georges day parades. St. George is not only the patron saint of England he is also the patron saint of the movements. Because of this march for England the parade has been candles in Brighton.
For decades the scout and guide movements have carried out their St. Georges day parades. St. George is not only the patron saint of England he is also the patron saint of the movements. Because of this march for England the parade has been candles in Brighton. jwilso
  • Score: 1

12:15pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Last years march cost half a million to police for their estimate of two hundred marchers- how does that compare to other public order events?
If this is all about free speech why do the police take a different approach to those at the fracking demonstration?
Surely the cost should include loss of trade to businesses on the day?
Last years march cost half a million to police for their estimate of two hundred marchers- how does that compare to other public order events? If this is all about free speech why do the police take a different approach to those at the fracking demonstration? Surely the cost should include loss of trade to businesses on the day? Arrggh
  • Score: 5

1:39pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

HJarrs wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle').
I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.
Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?
British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF!

But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle'). I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.[/p][/quote]Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?[/p][/quote]British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF! But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 7

1:53pm Fri 18 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle').
I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.
Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?
British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF!

But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing.
No, UKIP are not British patriots, how can they be when they are one of the reasons that so many Scots feel they have had enough of the UK.

I disagree, I have been a member of the ANL and would have described myself then and now describe myself as patriotic; I want to be proud of my country and defend the best bits of being British; openess, fairness, compasion, equality etc. I am not nationalistic, this I associate with BNP, EDL, NF, UKIP et al.

Also, just to put things in terms of class is simplistic. What is class anyway? I note there is no official definition of working, middle class etc, it has all moved on. By simplistic definition, I would have been a working class member of the ANL and am now middle class, having got an education, a decent job and a house, I still have similar views.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle'). I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.[/p][/quote]Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?[/p][/quote]British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF! But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing.[/p][/quote]No, UKIP are not British patriots, how can they be when they are one of the reasons that so many Scots feel they have had enough of the UK. I disagree, I have been a member of the ANL and would have described myself then and now describe myself as patriotic; I want to be proud of my country and defend the best bits of being British; openess, fairness, compasion, equality etc. I am not nationalistic, this I associate with BNP, EDL, NF, UKIP et al. Also, just to put things in terms of class is simplistic. What is class anyway? I note there is no official definition of working, middle class etc, it has all moved on. By simplistic definition, I would have been a working class member of the ANL and am now middle class, having got an education, a decent job and a house, I still have similar views. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

2:06pm Fri 18 Apr 14

P.Dant says...

Ban the **** thing ! Nobody would seriously complain.Even the 'free speech,right to protest' lobby might make an exception for this violent,expensive,po
intless event.
Ban the **** thing ! Nobody would seriously complain.Even the 'free speech,right to protest' lobby might make an exception for this violent,expensive,po intless event. P.Dant
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Fri 18 Apr 14

JHunty says...

ourcoalition wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.
Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)?

Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another?

See you next week Mr "left foot"!!!
What a bunch of gibberish, you still in the throws of a liquid celebration over St lucas getting off?
It was the greens, specifically Ben Duncan who invited demonstrators to come to Brighton. Apparently the greens and your commitment to free speech and the right to protest only extends to people who you agree with.
Trouble is when you pick and choice who has rights, they cease to be rights and become privileges to be withdrawn when it suits.
HJARRS is boasting of his past in the ANL, well it's groups like that and the UAF who have sought to use violence to prevent any sort of debate taking place in Britain about immigration and have therefore provided a fertile breeding grounds for groups like the EDL.
My opposition to Israel means I'm no friend of the EDL but it's clear that there are genuine concerns over the way immigration has affected England and what it means to be English. It is a disgrace a whole bunch of our local politicians stand shoulder to shoulder with the thugs in the UAF whose score card so far reads one child injured and one nurse injured.
A plague on both your houses is how most people feel about this march and it's opponents and I sympathise with that but people have a right to demonstrate and the hypocrisy of those who support the UAFs efforts to use violence to prevent them exercising that right is plain to see.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.[/p][/quote]Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)? Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another? See you next week Mr "left foot"!!![/p][/quote]What a bunch of gibberish, you still in the throws of a liquid celebration over St lucas getting off? It was the greens, specifically Ben Duncan who invited demonstrators to come to Brighton. Apparently the greens and your commitment to free speech and the right to protest only extends to people who you agree with. Trouble is when you pick and choice who has rights, they cease to be rights and become privileges to be withdrawn when it suits. HJARRS is boasting of his past in the ANL, well it's groups like that and the UAF who have sought to use violence to prevent any sort of debate taking place in Britain about immigration and have therefore provided a fertile breeding grounds for groups like the EDL. My opposition to Israel means I'm no friend of the EDL but it's clear that there are genuine concerns over the way immigration has affected England and what it means to be English. It is a disgrace a whole bunch of our local politicians stand shoulder to shoulder with the thugs in the UAF whose score card so far reads one child injured and one nurse injured. A plague on both your houses is how most people feel about this march and it's opponents and I sympathise with that but people have a right to demonstrate and the hypocrisy of those who support the UAFs efforts to use violence to prevent them exercising that right is plain to see. JHunty
  • Score: 9

5:35pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Wide Bertha says...

Didn't this used to be called the zombie walk ?
Didn't this used to be called the zombie walk ? Wide Bertha
  • Score: 5

5:37pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Maryle1 says...

What is wrong with being proud of being English and marching for it. Seems people have a problem with being patriotic.
What is wrong with being proud of being English and marching for it. Seems people have a problem with being patriotic. Maryle1
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Terry K says...

Why is ok to celebrate caribbean culture like the notting hill carnival yet anything english is frowned upon?.
Why is ok to celebrate caribbean culture like the notting hill carnival yet anything english is frowned upon?. Terry K
  • Score: 5

7:46pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Gaz the great says...

The march for England this year will have plenty of arrests but no convictions as they're marching against fracking, when questioned!
The march for England this year will have plenty of arrests but no convictions as they're marching against fracking, when questioned! Gaz the great
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Ricayboy says...

ourcoalition wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote: The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.
Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)? Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another? See you next week Mr "left foot"!!!
You are misinformed. I have lived in Ukraine and have a Ukrainian wife. I was there recently and will be there again soon. From what I can tell most of the protesters in Ukraine are not 'fascists.' We should be careful when we use that word. Most of them are decent, patriotic ordinary people who were fed up of living under a corrupt and undemocratic president and his regime. They are not Nazis or extremists. I also witnessed in Ukraine extreme pro-Russian nationalist groups who were very active in abusing Ukrainian speakers and Ukrainian patriots.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: The usual left wing rabble will no doubt be doing their best to stop decent patriotic men and women demonstrating in favour of traditional British values.[/p][/quote]Now, would that be the "traditional British values" of fascism, racism, homophobia and anti-muslim violence, accompanied by EDL flags, sieg heil salutes, from these "decent patriotic men and women", whose first stop is in the pub outside the station (obviously, due to it being thirsty work, all that travelling on the train)? Opposed by "the usual left wing rabble", who do comprise left wingers, I agree, but also a whole range of the population, including white South Africans, who settled here as a result of the "apartheid regime", who all have in common an objection to a load of trouble-making scum, whose only link with "England" is that they happen to be in the country - if there ever was an argument for repatriation, then they could be re-settled in the western part of the Ukraine, where their views would fit very well with the so-called Government, comprised of Nazi's and extreme nationalists. I'll buy one air ticket, one way for a "March for Ukraine" marcher - any one else want to pay for another? See you next week Mr "left foot"!!![/p][/quote]You are misinformed. I have lived in Ukraine and have a Ukrainian wife. I was there recently and will be there again soon. From what I can tell most of the protesters in Ukraine are not 'fascists.' We should be careful when we use that word. Most of them are decent, patriotic ordinary people who were fed up of living under a corrupt and undemocratic president and his regime. They are not Nazis or extremists. I also witnessed in Ukraine extreme pro-Russian nationalist groups who were very active in abusing Ukrainian speakers and Ukrainian patriots. Ricayboy
  • Score: 6

9:52pm Fri 18 Apr 14

hursthill says...

I have to pick up on jhunty when he writes " my opposition to Israel means I'm no friend of the EDL ".

Jewish rejection of the EDL is an established fact. The former leader of the EDL admitted that their flying the Israeli flag was intended to attract Zionist (or Jewish ?) support. It may well disappoint jhardy, who cares nothing about the consequence for Muslim - Jewish relations that the plan fell flat on its stupid face.
I have to pick up on jhunty when he writes " my opposition to Israel means I'm no friend of the EDL ". Jewish rejection of the EDL is an established fact. The former leader of the EDL admitted that their flying the Israeli flag was intended to attract Zionist (or Jewish ?) support. It may well disappoint jhardy, who cares nothing about the consequence for Muslim - Jewish relations that the plan fell flat on its stupid face. hursthill
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Ricayboy says...

I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness.
I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness. Ricayboy
  • Score: 4

11:32pm Fri 18 Apr 14

hubby says...

March for your lives people.
You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom.
You have been infiltrated.
Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to.
You have to ask how and why that is happening.
I love everybody.
Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity?
I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England.
My Grandparents fought through two world wars.
For "Freedom".
Not to be told what to say and when to say it.
Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it.
Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are".
If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.
March for your lives people. You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom. You have been infiltrated. Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to. You have to ask how and why that is happening. I love everybody. Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity? I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England. My Grandparents fought through two world wars. For "Freedom". Not to be told what to say and when to say it. Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it. Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are". If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way. hubby
  • Score: 6

7:56am Sat 19 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
March for your lives people.
You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom.
You have been infiltrated.
Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to.
You have to ask how and why that is happening.
I love everybody.
Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity?
I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England.
My Grandparents fought through two world wars.
For "Freedom".
Not to be told what to say and when to say it.
Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it.
Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are".
If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.
I think you will find all people come from our world.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: March for your lives people. You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom. You have been infiltrated. Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to. You have to ask how and why that is happening. I love everybody. Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity? I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England. My Grandparents fought through two world wars. For "Freedom". Not to be told what to say and when to say it. Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it. Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are". If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.[/p][/quote]I think you will find all people come from our world. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

8:11am Sat 19 Apr 14

brightonbatfink says...

Ricayboy wrote:
I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness.
So undertaking a march where the majorty of your group are shouting anti Muslim chants is celebrating and asserting 'British' culture?? I don't think so.

How can that be how people define themselves as being British and showing patriotism? Most ridiculous thig I've heard.

Throw a fete, dance around a May pole, dress up as St George and pretend to slay a dragon, bring out some morris men/women, ale and cider, good food and I'm there.

Personally, I think the anti-march group should just ignore MfE. If we all just ignore them they probably wouldn't come back.

Except the English Disco Lovers. Those guys in their sequins with their smiling faces can stay, they rock (or disco).
[quote][p][bold]Ricayboy[/bold] wrote: I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness.[/p][/quote]So undertaking a march where the majorty of your group are shouting anti Muslim chants is celebrating and asserting 'British' culture?? I don't think so. How can that be how people define themselves as being British and showing patriotism? Most ridiculous thig I've heard. Throw a fete, dance around a May pole, dress up as St George and pretend to slay a dragon, bring out some morris men/women, ale and cider, good food and I'm there. Personally, I think the anti-march group should just ignore MfE. If we all just ignore them they probably wouldn't come back. Except the English Disco Lovers. Those guys in their sequins with their smiling faces can stay, they rock (or disco). brightonbatfink
  • Score: 1

8:34am Sat 19 Apr 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

HJarrs wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle').
I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.
Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?
British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF!

But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing.
No, UKIP are not British patriots, how can they be when they are one of the reasons that so many Scots feel they have had enough of the UK.

I disagree, I have been a member of the ANL and would have described myself then and now describe myself as patriotic; I want to be proud of my country and defend the best bits of being British; openess, fairness, compasion, equality etc. I am not nationalistic, this I associate with BNP, EDL, NF, UKIP et al.

Also, just to put things in terms of class is simplistic. What is class anyway? I note there is no official definition of working, middle class etc, it has all moved on. By simplistic definition, I would have been a working class member of the ANL and am now middle class, having got an education, a decent job and a house, I still have similar views.
This could be a fascinating discussion and one that we can't really hold on the comments page of newspaper. You're 100% wrong on UKIP, but you're right on other aspects such as there not being a clear-cut definition of class any more, and I admit that just expressing the march in terms of class conflict (with the UAF representing the political establishment) was a bit simplistic - but then again it was just a comment on a newspaper story and not an essay in New Statesman. And part of being a tolerant, eclectic society is allowing people with differing different views to be able to express them.

Can't really say much more as we won't agree (although I suspect politically we're not as far apart as all that), but I can't resist ending with one last little dig: If the anti-march protestors are as 'patriotic' as you say they are I shall look forward to seeing the photos of them all waving their union flags as they disrupt the march!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Whoops, missed the word 'class' out of my match description! (After 'middle'). I wonder if they can get it sponsored? Call it something like "Working class patriots verses smug middle class activists match sponsored by Debenhams". They could use the money to pay for the policing.[/p][/quote]Surely, little Englanders versus British Patriots?[/p][/quote]British patriots? Isn't that UKIP? In all honesty I've got mixed feelings. In the late 1970s I went on Anti-Nazi League marches and I was a supporter of AFA in the 1990s, so my political affiliations should be with UAF (who are the direct descendents of the ANL). Back in the 1970s we definitely wouldn't have described ourselves as 'British Patriots'. That was the NF! But it isn't the 1970s any more, and my sympathies lie entirely with the British working class. They (or 'we' if I use the Marxist definition) are demonised by the media as fat lazy benefit-scrounging, cheap booze swilling, tabloid-reading chavs; and if you're white then you can add racist to that list as well. If some of them want to march along a road waving flags I don't have a problem with that (any more). The far-right may be on the rise in other places in Europe, but in the UK they're nothing.[/p][/quote]No, UKIP are not British patriots, how can they be when they are one of the reasons that so many Scots feel they have had enough of the UK. I disagree, I have been a member of the ANL and would have described myself then and now describe myself as patriotic; I want to be proud of my country and defend the best bits of being British; openess, fairness, compasion, equality etc. I am not nationalistic, this I associate with BNP, EDL, NF, UKIP et al. Also, just to put things in terms of class is simplistic. What is class anyway? I note there is no official definition of working, middle class etc, it has all moved on. By simplistic definition, I would have been a working class member of the ANL and am now middle class, having got an education, a decent job and a house, I still have similar views.[/p][/quote]This could be a fascinating discussion and one that we can't really hold on the comments page of newspaper. You're 100% wrong on UKIP, but you're right on other aspects such as there not being a clear-cut definition of class any more, and I admit that just expressing the march in terms of class conflict (with the UAF representing the political establishment) was a bit simplistic - but then again it was just a comment on a newspaper story and not an essay in New Statesman. And part of being a tolerant, eclectic society is allowing people with differing different views to be able to express them. Can't really say much more as we won't agree (although I suspect politically we're not as far apart as all that), but I can't resist ending with one last little dig: If the anti-march protestors are as 'patriotic' as you say they are I shall look forward to seeing the photos of them all waving their union flags as they disrupt the march! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 3

9:23am Sat 19 Apr 14

hubby says...

HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
March for your lives people.
You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom.
You have been infiltrated.
Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to.
You have to ask how and why that is happening.
I love everybody.
Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity?
I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England.
My Grandparents fought through two world wars.
For "Freedom".
Not to be told what to say and when to say it.
Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it.
Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are".
If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.
I think you will find all people come from our world.
I would love to believe that we are "All one people".
A problem in the UK is that the concerns,thoughts and wishes of those whose families go back many generations are trampled over to accommodate new cultures who are unwilling to accept the laws and customs of the countries that have opened their arms to them and offered them a home.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: March for your lives people. You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom. You have been infiltrated. Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to. You have to ask how and why that is happening. I love everybody. Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity? I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England. My Grandparents fought through two world wars. For "Freedom". Not to be told what to say and when to say it. Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it. Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are". If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.[/p][/quote]I think you will find all people come from our world.[/p][/quote]I would love to believe that we are "All one people". A problem in the UK is that the concerns,thoughts and wishes of those whose families go back many generations are trampled over to accommodate new cultures who are unwilling to accept the laws and customs of the countries that have opened their arms to them and offered them a home. hubby
  • Score: 1

11:14am Sat 19 Apr 14

Ricayboy says...

brightonbatfink wrote:
Ricayboy wrote:
I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness.
So undertaking a march where the majorty of your group are shouting anti Muslim chants is celebrating and asserting 'British' culture?? I don't think so.

How can that be how people define themselves as being British and showing patriotism? Most ridiculous thig I've heard.

Throw a fete, dance around a May pole, dress up as St George and pretend to slay a dragon, bring out some morris men/women, ale and cider, good food and I'm there.

Personally, I think the anti-march group should just ignore MfE. If we all just ignore them they probably wouldn't come back.

Except the English Disco Lovers. Those guys in their sequins with their smiling faces can stay, they rock (or disco).
I didn't mention Britishness at all and I don't think it has anything to do with this march. Englishness and Britishness should not be conflated.

I totally agree that anti-Muslim chants are unacceptable and stupid, however I believe that if Englishness and St George's Day were promoted as something positive and celebratory then the line that fuels resentment and extremism would be broken. Many people on the left look at all English patriotism as something unsavoury, dangerous and evil. This kind of generalisation is exactly what they accuse the EDL of doing to Islam.

I also don't see any problem with people being reasonably concerned about the rapid Islamification of England. I have no problem with individual Muslims whatsoever but I don't want another Bradford/Tower Hamlets in Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]brightonbatfink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ricayboy[/bold] wrote: I don't support MFE because it is provocative and does the English patriotism cause no favours. Yet I do think that the English have as much right to celebrate and assert their own culture as every other ethnic and cultural group. Many of the anti-MFE protesters seem to be from the hard-left, idealistic students, Cowley Club types, the right-on chattering classes and Green Party stalwarts. They say that they are against hatred, racism and extremism yet their protests seem to be fueled largely by anti-Englishness.[/p][/quote]So undertaking a march where the majorty of your group are shouting anti Muslim chants is celebrating and asserting 'British' culture?? I don't think so. How can that be how people define themselves as being British and showing patriotism? Most ridiculous thig I've heard. Throw a fete, dance around a May pole, dress up as St George and pretend to slay a dragon, bring out some morris men/women, ale and cider, good food and I'm there. Personally, I think the anti-march group should just ignore MfE. If we all just ignore them they probably wouldn't come back. Except the English Disco Lovers. Those guys in their sequins with their smiling faces can stay, they rock (or disco).[/p][/quote]I didn't mention Britishness at all and I don't think it has anything to do with this march. Englishness and Britishness should not be conflated. I totally agree that anti-Muslim chants are unacceptable and stupid, however I believe that if Englishness and St George's Day were promoted as something positive and celebratory then the line that fuels resentment and extremism would be broken. Many people on the left look at all English patriotism as something unsavoury, dangerous and evil. This kind of generalisation is exactly what they accuse the EDL of doing to Islam. I also don't see any problem with people being reasonably concerned about the rapid Islamification of England. I have no problem with individual Muslims whatsoever but I don't want another Bradford/Tower Hamlets in Brighton. Ricayboy
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Sat 19 Apr 14

chris elmes says...

hubby wrote:
March for your lives people.
You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom.
You have been infiltrated.
Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to.
You have to ask how and why that is happening.
I love everybody.
Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity?
I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England.
My Grandparents fought through two world wars.
For "Freedom".
Not to be told what to say and when to say it.
Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it.
Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are".
If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.
The basic premise of this post generaly speaking is i susspect whet the vast majority of people think but are afraid to say.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: March for your lives people. You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom. You have been infiltrated. Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from any forum you care to subscribe to. You have to ask how and why that is happening. I love everybody. Why do they want to wipe out me,my family and my ethenticity? I am just a white English person born in the 60's.Born in England.Raised in England. My Grandparents fought through two world wars. For "Freedom". Not to be told what to say and when to say it. Not to be told who to respect unless they earn it. Not to welcome other ethnics just because they "are". If they want to come to our world and be accepted,then they have to bend our way.[/p][/quote]The basic premise of this post generaly speaking is i susspect whet the vast majority of people think but are afraid to say. chris elmes
  • Score: 5

2:24pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

chris elmes wrote:
hubby wrote:
March for your lives people.
You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom.
You have been infiltrated.
Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from anyWhy do they want to wipe out me and my ethnicity? This country is 85% white so whoever wants to do that isn't doing a very good job.
You sound paranoid to put it mildly.
[quote][p][bold]chris elmes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: March for your lives people. You already have young men from Brighton fighting and dying for the complete opposite of what most of us want.Freedom. You have been infiltrated. Anything anti Muslim anti Gypsy anti Immigrant is struck from anyWhy do they want to wipe out me and my ethnicity? This country is 85% white so whoever wants to do that isn't doing a very good job. You sound paranoid to put it mildly. Arrggh
  • Score: -1

11:06pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Fleur8 says...

One time I got tangled up in one of these confrontations between these two groups there was a big group of Guardian reader types chanting like a choir machine, to a trickle of well-spoken little kids tossing a few curses at them, calling them politically correct and suchlike, as they wandered off. Far more police and swisos than right wing skinheads. Seriously though, the police must have done a good job for the atmosphere to be so unthreatening.
One time I got tangled up in one of these confrontations between these two groups there was a big group of Guardian reader types chanting like a choir machine, to a trickle of well-spoken little kids tossing a few curses at them, calling them politically correct and suchlike, as they wandered off. Far more police and swisos than right wing skinheads. Seriously though, the police must have done a good job for the atmosphere to be so unthreatening. Fleur8
  • Score: 1

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