Secrets of Whitehawk Stonehenge to be revealed

Secrets of Whitehawk Stonehenge to be revealed

Secrets of Whitehawk Stonehenge to be revealed

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The secrets of the community behind “Whitehawk’s Stonehenge” are set to be uncovered.

Whitehawk Camp Community Archaeology Project has won almost £100,000 of Heritage Lottery Fund support for a new community-based archaeology project.

The project will attempt to learn more about the community who created the Whitehawk Camp monument 5,500 years ago – half a millennium before the more famous Stonehenge in Wiltshire.

The site was excavated in the 1920s and 1930s and marks the emergence of Britain’s first farming communities.

The project will look to promote the significance of the monument and work on improving the site and its archive.

The Whitehawk Camp partnership is formed of Centre for Applied Archaeology at University College London, Brighton and Hove City Council’s Royal Pavilion and Museums and Brighton and Hove Archaeological Society.

The project will involve the local community working with professional and skilled volunteers with a series of volunteering opportunities, workshops and events run at Brighton Museum and Art Gallery, Whitehawk Camp and other venues for a year from this month.

Volunteers will be taught the necessary skills required to catalogue and examine archaeological finds, undertake geophysical survey, excavate archaeological remains and undertake conservation work to the monument.

The prehistoric project will also use the latest digital media technology and create an archaeological archive report.

Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, chair of Brighton and Hove City Council’s economic development and culture committee, said: “Whitehawk Camp, older than Stonehenge, is on our doorstep and we are delighted that, with our partners, we have been suc¬ cessful in securing funds to increase understanding and highlight the importance of this historical site.

“This promises to be a real community effort and there will be opportunities for people to get involved in workshops at Brighton Museum and Art Gallery to study objects excavated from the site in the 1920s and 1930s, a community excavation at the site, and a range of other activities.”

For more details visit www.ucl.ac.uk/caa/whitehawk-hlf.

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10:20am Tue 22 Apr 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -31

10:28am Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's. rayellerton
  • Score: -14

10:44am Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.)
Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.) Athena
  • Score: 37

11:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

Athena wrote:
Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.)
I am referring to born and bred Brightonians who are being driven out by the factors i pointed out above.... current peoples needs come before historical sites in my opinion..
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.)[/p][/quote]I am referring to born and bred Brightonians who are being driven out by the factors i pointed out above.... current peoples needs come before historical sites in my opinion.. rayellerton
  • Score: -18

11:32am Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

rayellerton wrote:
Athena wrote:
Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.)
I am referring to born and bred Brightonians who are being driven out by the factors i pointed out above.... current peoples needs come before historical sites in my opinion..
People have many needs, a home being just one of them. Housing is not the problem of the archaeological fraternity. If the archaelogists didn't receive this money, your homeless people wouldn't, either. It would go to some other project somewhere else, and another town or city would benefit from the findings and the publicity. History is important, too. It helps us to know who we are and how we came to live in the societies in which we live. And it helps us to recognise the mistakes we make and learn from them, although we rarely learn from them. But, as Ian Hislop says, before Britain progresses, it always regresses into the past, into the Olden Days, for inspiration.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: Homelessness has nothing to do with archaeology. This structure is one of the oldest in Britain and gives us an opportunity to find out something of the origins of our city. It's a most exciting project. (As to the homeless, the more of them we house, the more who will stream into this city expecting housing. Brighton is full up.)[/p][/quote]I am referring to born and bred Brightonians who are being driven out by the factors i pointed out above.... current peoples needs come before historical sites in my opinion..[/p][/quote]People have many needs, a home being just one of them. Housing is not the problem of the archaeological fraternity. If the archaelogists didn't receive this money, your homeless people wouldn't, either. It would go to some other project somewhere else, and another town or city would benefit from the findings and the publicity. History is important, too. It helps us to know who we are and how we came to live in the societies in which we live. And it helps us to recognise the mistakes we make and learn from them, although we rarely learn from them. But, as Ian Hislop says, before Britain progresses, it always regresses into the past, into the Olden Days, for inspiration. Athena
  • Score: 27

11:46am Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

I respect your opinion, but stand by mine..
I respect your opinion, but stand by mine.. rayellerton
  • Score: -11

1:19pm Tue 22 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

rayellerton wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.
Are yes maybe but this Council giveaway prim sites to the University of Sussex to build more student accommodation and other outlets for students but they feel the need to obtain lad from privet land owners at cut down prices…
The Bevendean farm at the back of Bevendean & Moulsecoomb was approached by B&HCC last year to give up part of his lend so the council could build 5000 new homes but the farmer refused B&HCC’s offer so they have now tippled his land tax to get him to reconsider there proposal – this is the type of back handedness of a council we do not need hear in Brighton & Hove.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.[/p][/quote]Are yes maybe but this Council giveaway prim sites to the University of Sussex to build more student accommodation and other outlets for students but they feel the need to obtain lad from privet land owners at cut down prices… The Bevendean farm at the back of Bevendean & Moulsecoomb was approached by B&HCC last year to give up part of his lend so the council could build 5000 new homes but the farmer refused B&HCC’s offer so they have now tippled his land tax to get him to reconsider there proposal – this is the type of back handedness of a council we do not need hear in Brighton & Hove. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RussellR says...

The project is being supported by the Heritage Lottery Fund, so whilst there may be pressing projects which Brighton Council could be spending money on, this £100,000 could never have been used to help the homeless as getThisCoalitionOut suggests.

As Athena says, it would have gone elsewhere for a similar type of project.
The project is being supported by the Heritage Lottery Fund, so whilst there may be pressing projects which Brighton Council could be spending money on, this £100,000 could never have been used to help the homeless as getThisCoalitionOut suggests. As Athena says, it would have gone elsewhere for a similar type of project. RussellR
  • Score: 10

2:07pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Smartbloke says...

rayellerton wrote:
I respect your opinion, but stand by mine..
Your opinion is valid.

But it's also irrelevant to the story above.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I respect your opinion, but stand by mine..[/p][/quote]Your opinion is valid. But it's also irrelevant to the story above. Smartbloke
  • Score: 9

2:09pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Smartbloke says...

wippasnapper wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.
Are yes maybe but this Council giveaway prim sites to the University of Sussex to build more student accommodation and other outlets for students but they feel the need to obtain lad from privet land owners at cut down prices…
The Bevendean farm at the back of Bevendean & Moulsecoomb was approached by B&HCC last year to give up part of his lend so the council could build 5000 new homes but the farmer refused B&HCC’s offer so they have now tippled his land tax to get him to reconsider there proposal – this is the type of back handedness of a council we do not need hear in Brighton & Hove.
Great story. But, sadly, absolute lies.

Worthy of the Argus itself.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.[/p][/quote]Are yes maybe but this Council giveaway prim sites to the University of Sussex to build more student accommodation and other outlets for students but they feel the need to obtain lad from privet land owners at cut down prices… The Bevendean farm at the back of Bevendean & Moulsecoomb was approached by B&HCC last year to give up part of his lend so the council could build 5000 new homes but the farmer refused B&HCC’s offer so they have now tippled his land tax to get him to reconsider there proposal – this is the type of back handedness of a council we do not need hear in Brighton & Hove.[/p][/quote]Great story. But, sadly, absolute lies. Worthy of the Argus itself. Smartbloke
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Smartbloke says...

RussellR wrote:
The project is being supported by the Heritage Lottery Fund, so whilst there may be pressing projects which Brighton Council could be spending money on, this £100,000 could never have been used to help the homeless as getThisCoalitionOut suggests.

As Athena says, it would have gone elsewhere for a similar type of project.
Quite. It's not even council money, it's new money ringfenced specifically for this type of project.

But don't let that get in the way of a good old-fashioned blind rant from The Argus Comments Section contributors.
[quote][p][bold]RussellR[/bold] wrote: The project is being supported by the Heritage Lottery Fund, so whilst there may be pressing projects which Brighton Council could be spending money on, this £100,000 could never have been used to help the homeless as getThisCoalitionOut suggests. As Athena says, it would have gone elsewhere for a similar type of project.[/p][/quote]Quite. It's not even council money, it's new money ringfenced specifically for this type of project. But don't let that get in the way of a good old-fashioned blind rant from The Argus Comments Section contributors. Smartbloke
  • Score: 9

2:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Spending £100k to confirm that evolution in Whitehawk is going backwards?

Tragic that the Lottery fund gives huge handouts to archaeologists (over-indulged trust-fund kiddies) who can't get a proper job.

Bowden is a disgrace. The money should be targeted at the feeble-minded folk who do the lottery - poor sods having to walk to food banks while their lottery tax is primarily spent on indulging people who wouldn't dream of buying a scratch card.
Spending £100k to confirm that evolution in Whitehawk is going backwards? Tragic that the Lottery fund gives huge handouts to archaeologists (over-indulged trust-fund kiddies) who can't get a proper job. Bowden is a disgrace. The money should be targeted at the feeble-minded folk who do the lottery - poor sods having to walk to food banks while their lottery tax is primarily spent on indulging people who wouldn't dream of buying a scratch card. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: -2

2:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

From beer to uncertainty wrote:
Spending £100k to confirm that evolution in Whitehawk is going backwards?

Tragic that the Lottery fund gives huge handouts to archaeologists (over-indulged trust-fund kiddies) who can't get a proper job.

Bowden is a disgrace. The money should be targeted at the feeble-minded folk who do the lottery - poor sods having to walk to food banks while their lottery tax is primarily spent on indulging people who wouldn't dream of buying a scratch card.
Why do you assume archaeologists are "trust-fund kiddies"? Is it because they study a "heavy" subject, a branch of history, that you assume all historians must have had a hefty private education to achieve such brains? No, ordinary people from council estates can become archaeologists. Even you, if you put your mind to it. And the handout isn't going to each archaeologist personally for him or her to buy their beer. Some of these archaeologists will be students of archaeology themselves and will be a marvellous site for them to work on and gain their degrees. Some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards.
[quote][p][bold]From beer to uncertainty[/bold] wrote: Spending £100k to confirm that evolution in Whitehawk is going backwards? Tragic that the Lottery fund gives huge handouts to archaeologists (over-indulged trust-fund kiddies) who can't get a proper job. Bowden is a disgrace. The money should be targeted at the feeble-minded folk who do the lottery - poor sods having to walk to food banks while their lottery tax is primarily spent on indulging people who wouldn't dream of buying a scratch card.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume archaeologists are "trust-fund kiddies"? Is it because they study a "heavy" subject, a branch of history, that you assume all historians must have had a hefty private education to achieve such brains? No, ordinary people from council estates can become archaeologists. Even you, if you put your mind to it. And the handout isn't going to each archaeologist personally for him or her to buy their beer. Some of these archaeologists will be students of archaeology themselves and will be a marvellous site for them to work on and gain their degrees. Some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards. Athena
  • Score: 8

3:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Oh dear "some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards".

Thanks for the career advice. However, wasn't your pass degree from Scumthorpe Poly conditional on avoiding discussion on "heavy" subjects?

I still reckon TVs 'Time Team' with Tony Robinson and appalling careers advice has left a whole generation of Tarquins digging around for funding.
Oh dear "some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards". Thanks for the career advice. However, wasn't your pass degree from Scumthorpe Poly conditional on avoiding discussion on "heavy" subjects? I still reckon TVs 'Time Team' with Tony Robinson and appalling careers advice has left a whole generation of Tarquins digging around for funding. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: -6

3:24pm Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

well it looks like the people on here who care about a bit of chalkland and what they may or may not discover, outnumber those who think money whether public, or contributed by the public (lottery), should be used to better the quality of life for those in most need.
well it looks like the people on here who care about a bit of chalkland and what they may or may not discover, outnumber those who think money whether public, or contributed by the public (lottery), should be used to better the quality of life for those in most need. rayellerton
  • Score: 2

3:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

From beer to uncertainty wrote:
Oh dear "some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards".

Thanks for the career advice. However, wasn't your pass degree from Scumthorpe Poly conditional on avoiding discussion on "heavy" subjects?

I still reckon TVs 'Time Team' with Tony Robinson and appalling careers advice has left a whole generation of Tarquins digging around for funding.
The universities and other bodies get the funding, not the archaeologists themselves. (Is Phil Harding's second name Tarquin, then? Neither he nor Tony Baldrick Robinson seem like Hooray Henrys to. In fact, Mr Robinson is probably more left-wing than anybody.)
[quote][p][bold]From beer to uncertainty[/bold] wrote: Oh dear "some of them probably even buy lottery scratch cards". Thanks for the career advice. However, wasn't your pass degree from Scumthorpe Poly conditional on avoiding discussion on "heavy" subjects? I still reckon TVs 'Time Team' with Tony Robinson and appalling careers advice has left a whole generation of Tarquins digging around for funding.[/p][/quote]The universities and other bodies get the funding, not the archaeologists themselves. (Is Phil Harding's second name Tarquin, then? Neither he nor Tony Baldrick Robinson seem like Hooray Henrys to. In fact, Mr Robinson is probably more left-wing than anybody.) Athena
  • Score: 5

3:45pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

rayellerton wrote:
well it looks like the people on here who care about a bit of chalkland and what they may or may not discover, outnumber those who think money whether public, or contributed by the public (lottery), should be used to better the quality of life for those in most need.
It's debatable whether flinging money at the homeless actually helps them, tbh. My son's homeless, but public money won't help him. His brother is helping him at the moment, and when I've made room, I will help him myself. That's what families are for, not the State.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: well it looks like the people on here who care about a bit of chalkland and what they may or may not discover, outnumber those who think money whether public, or contributed by the public (lottery), should be used to better the quality of life for those in most need.[/p][/quote]It's debatable whether flinging money at the homeless actually helps them, tbh. My son's homeless, but public money won't help him. His brother is helping him at the moment, and when I've made room, I will help him myself. That's what families are for, not the State. Athena
  • Score: 6

4:34pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sunshinebear says...

Saw this for the first time last year while up at Brighton races and wondered what it was! Lived in Brighton 20yrs and never knew anything about it. So thanks for info.
Saw this for the first time last year while up at Brighton races and wondered what it was! Lived in Brighton 20yrs and never knew anything about it. So thanks for info. sunshinebear
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

Athena...building more council homes to make up for those lost to Right to Buy, and then further sold on to Buy to Let landlords, who let to students as they can get more rent than what a young family can afford.. I am sleeping on a sofa in my own home so my son and his girlfriend and my grandson have a roof over their heads. They can neither afford to buy or rent in Brighton where they were born and bred because of the reasons I have stated. Yes, I have a vested interest...I think it wrong that things like this are funded with money raised from the public, why not ask rich multinationals if they fancy putting up the money?
Athena...building more council homes to make up for those lost to Right to Buy, and then further sold on to Buy to Let landlords, who let to students as they can get more rent than what a young family can afford.. I am sleeping on a sofa in my own home so my son and his girlfriend and my grandson have a roof over their heads. They can neither afford to buy or rent in Brighton where they were born and bred because of the reasons I have stated. Yes, I have a vested interest...I think it wrong that things like this are funded with money raised from the public, why not ask rich multinationals if they fancy putting up the money? rayellerton
  • Score: -7

5:19pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

rayellerton wrote:
Athena...building more council homes to make up for those lost to Right to Buy, and then further sold on to Buy to Let landlords, who let to students as they can get more rent than what a young family can afford.. I am sleeping on a sofa in my own home so my son and his girlfriend and my grandson have a roof over their heads. They can neither afford to buy or rent in Brighton where they were born and bred because of the reasons I have stated. Yes, I have a vested interest...I think it wrong that things like this are funded with money raised from the public, why not ask rich multinationals if they fancy putting up the money?
They do. Every time a new development is planned in Brighton, affordable housing has to be part of the deal, paid for by the developer. The council itself doesn't really build council houses any more. They can't afford it. I think selling off the council houses was a disaster and so is the whole buy-to-let game, both of which shunted house prices skywards. But the more houses built, the more roads, schools and other necessities have to be allowed for. Brighton is just full up. We need our green spaces as much as we need buildings. Like you, my kids have no hope of buying a house here. They'll have to go somewhere cheaper. But none of this has anything to do with an ancient monument of national importance. It's a different ball-game.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: Athena...building more council homes to make up for those lost to Right to Buy, and then further sold on to Buy to Let landlords, who let to students as they can get more rent than what a young family can afford.. I am sleeping on a sofa in my own home so my son and his girlfriend and my grandson have a roof over their heads. They can neither afford to buy or rent in Brighton where they were born and bred because of the reasons I have stated. Yes, I have a vested interest...I think it wrong that things like this are funded with money raised from the public, why not ask rich multinationals if they fancy putting up the money?[/p][/quote]They do. Every time a new development is planned in Brighton, affordable housing has to be part of the deal, paid for by the developer. The council itself doesn't really build council houses any more. They can't afford it. I think selling off the council houses was a disaster and so is the whole buy-to-let game, both of which shunted house prices skywards. But the more houses built, the more roads, schools and other necessities have to be allowed for. Brighton is just full up. We need our green spaces as much as we need buildings. Like you, my kids have no hope of buying a house here. They'll have to go somewhere cheaper. But none of this has anything to do with an ancient monument of national importance. It's a different ball-game. Athena
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

we will just agree to disagree then...
we will just agree to disagree then... rayellerton
  • Score: -6

7:40pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RossC21 says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
Typical lefty, ignoring that facts.

These are funds released from a heritage charity. Not government.


But continue your crud.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Typical lefty, ignoring that facts. These are funds released from a heritage charity. Not government. But continue your crud. RossC21
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Tue 22 Apr 14

RossC21 says...

rayellerton wrote:
I respect your opinion, but stand by mine..
That's not opinion, that's fact. The funds were released by a heritage fund, run by a charity.

What is it with people and failure to actually read the articles?
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I respect your opinion, but stand by mine..[/p][/quote]That's not opinion, that's fact. The funds were released by a heritage fund, run by a charity. What is it with people and failure to actually read the articles? RossC21
  • Score: 6

7:55pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Athena says...

rayellerton wrote:
we will just agree to disagree then...
Disagree on what? We both agree that homlessness is dreadful and we are both affected by it. But it has noting whatsoever to do with culture. Are you suggesting that all money should be diverted from every project, from the X-Factor, to medical research, to football, to national monuments, to get your children out of your house?
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: we will just agree to disagree then...[/p][/quote]Disagree on what? We both agree that homlessness is dreadful and we are both affected by it. But it has noting whatsoever to do with culture. Are you suggesting that all money should be diverted from every project, from the X-Factor, to medical research, to football, to national monuments, to get your children out of your house? Athena
  • Score: 7

8:31pm Tue 22 Apr 14

UglyAmerican says...

I can save them a lot of dosh. It was fly tippers. Whitehawk hasn't really changed that much in 5 1/2 millennia.
I can save them a lot of dosh. It was fly tippers. Whitehawk hasn't really changed that much in 5 1/2 millennia. UglyAmerican
  • Score: -2

10:31pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ourcoalition says...

To sum up - we should be doing both!

Using this money to explore the past, and building affordable homes (by the way, the Government has scrapped the latter requirement, that a proportion of homes have to be affordable).

And, just think, if we took 10% of the wealth of the 1,000 richest people in the UK (which they would hardly notice at all), we could pay off the national debt in its entirety, build several hundred thousand homes with the spare change, and archaeologists could be funded to dig up lots of sites.

Might just get the odd site for travellers to live on, and a few more cycle lanes............!

See, you can be left and right politically, and Green, and have all the things you want. Just takes a bit of political principle, and ignoring the squeals of the rich - called wealth redistribution.
To sum up - we should be doing both! Using this money to explore the past, and building affordable homes (by the way, the Government has scrapped the latter requirement, that a proportion of homes have to be affordable). And, just think, if we took 10% of the wealth of the 1,000 richest people in the UK (which they would hardly notice at all), we could pay off the national debt in its entirety, build several hundred thousand homes with the spare change, and archaeologists could be funded to dig up lots of sites. Might just get the odd site for travellers to live on, and a few more cycle lanes............! See, you can be left and right politically, and Green, and have all the things you want. Just takes a bit of political principle, and ignoring the squeals of the rich - called wealth redistribution. ourcoalition
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Tue 22 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

Athena wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
we will just agree to disagree then...
Disagree on what? We both agree that homlessness is dreadful and we are both affected by it. But it has noting whatsoever to do with culture. Are you suggesting that all money should be diverted from every project, from the X-Factor, to medical research, to football, to national monuments, to get your children out of your house?
No...dont be ridiculous now, what i am saying is the policy of providing funds for projects which could be funded by commercial concerns is wrong, whilst there are more important issues to be dealt with. It is not just me and my family affected, there are dozens i know of who have been in this position...and it does not just affect Brighton, its a problem throughout the south east. So, its not me being selfish...I have considered the housing policies by successive governments short sighted at best, and designed to fool people into thinking they are getting a good deal!
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: we will just agree to disagree then...[/p][/quote]Disagree on what? We both agree that homlessness is dreadful and we are both affected by it. But it has noting whatsoever to do with culture. Are you suggesting that all money should be diverted from every project, from the X-Factor, to medical research, to football, to national monuments, to get your children out of your house?[/p][/quote]No...dont be ridiculous now, what i am saying is the policy of providing funds for projects which could be funded by commercial concerns is wrong, whilst there are more important issues to be dealt with. It is not just me and my family affected, there are dozens i know of who have been in this position...and it does not just affect Brighton, its a problem throughout the south east. So, its not me being selfish...I have considered the housing policies by successive governments short sighted at best, and designed to fool people into thinking they are getting a good deal! rayellerton
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3:44am Wed 23 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

UglyAmerican wrote:
I can save them a lot of dosh. It was fly tippers. Whitehawk hasn't really changed that much in 5 1/2 millennia.
ohh maybe it was travellers .. old junk that the local tip thats been there as i recall for many many years just a little hole in the ground filled up year on year with local trash ... i could be lazy and say you can find out more at this site.. http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Whitehawk

time for the greens to start digging up that buried trash and sending it to the incinerator at Newhaven thats running so under capacity build FOR .. for the treatment of up to 210,000 tonnes per annum of East Sussex's municipal solid waste currently actually treating .... NO WHERE NEAR capacity .. http://www.veoliaenv
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[quote][p][bold]UglyAmerican[/bold] wrote: I can save them a lot of dosh. It was fly tippers. Whitehawk hasn't really changed that much in 5 1/2 millennia.[/p][/quote]ohh maybe it was travellers .. old junk that the local tip thats been there as i recall for many many years just a little hole in the ground filled up year on year with local trash ... i could be lazy and say you can find out more at this site.. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Whitehawk time for the greens to start digging up that buried trash and sending it to the incinerator at Newhaven thats running so under capacity build FOR .. for the treatment of up to 210,000 tonnes per annum of East Sussex's municipal solid waste currently actually treating .... NO WHERE NEAR capacity .. http://www.veoliaenv ironmentalservices.c o.uk/Documents/Publi cations/South%20Down s/Literature/ERF_Pha se_3.pdf Mr chock
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5:35pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Lady Smith says...

rayellerton wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.
Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.
What a load of misinformed twaddle.
The funding has come from the Heritage Lottery Fund. As in, money raised from the National Lottery, to fund arts, heritage and history projects that are as vital to our communities as anything else you might care to fixate on, and which do NOT receive funding from national or local government. Hence, this sort of project is NOT diverting money for housing, social services, or other essential services.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: What a complete waste of money when there are so many homeless in Brighton and Hove. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more...they encourage spec developers to build on green spaces, but neglect the needs of our young local families who get driven out by inflated house prices and rents. I am by no means anywhere left of centre but hate the policies of Right to Buy, Buy to Let and the removal of house prices from inflation over 40 years ago...and, no investment in Council Houses since the 70's.[/p][/quote]What a load of misinformed twaddle. The funding has come from the Heritage Lottery Fund. As in, money raised from the National Lottery, to fund arts, heritage and history projects that are as vital to our communities as anything else you might care to fixate on, and which do NOT receive funding from national or local government. Hence, this sort of project is NOT diverting money for housing, social services, or other essential services. Lady Smith
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