Brighton motorists fined more than £3.5 million last year

Brighton motorists fined more than £3.5 million last year

Brighton motorists fined more than £3.5 million last year

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City parking wardens issued fines worth more than £3.5 million last year.

Motorists in Brighton and Hove were given 103,219 tickets for flouting parking regulations – boosting council coffers by at least £3.6 million if each ticket was paid within two weeks at £35.

The figure contributed to an overall town hall parking income of £11 million in 2012/13, which council bosses say is reinvested back into transport projects including cycle lanes.

However, Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said the cash should be used to benefit the lives of motorists and not spent on “cycle lanes and narrowing roads”.

He said: “At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all.

"The trouble is the legislation states that it should be used for transport related investments, which includes bikes.”

But Chris Todd, of Brighton and Hove Friends of the Earth, said the money invested in cycle lanes was well spent “due to the better health and air quality”.

He said: “We have very little road space and the sensible way to make use of it is to encourage people to cycle.”

In total, 119,444 parking fines were issued in 2013.

However 16,225 of those, worth at least £567,875, were eventually cancelled.

Reasons for cancellation included 1,423 cases simply listed as “first offence, discretion applied” and 898 “spoiled” tickets that were void because enforcement officers took down incorrect information – for example a vehicle’s registration.

Thirteen tickets were also waived because they were given to window cleaners.

A spokeswoman for Brighton and Hove City Council said: “Window cleaners who are using equipment from a vehicle to carry out their work may apply to the council for a parking permit.

“On seeing the badge the civil enforcement officer will check that window cleaning is in progress and if not a penalty charge notice (PCN) may be issued.

“‘Spoiled’ tickets or ‘PCN not valid’ refers to mistakes made by the civil enforcement officer such as hitting a wrong digit when inputting a number plate.

“In these instances the infor- mation would be corrected and the ticket reissued straight away.

“A first time offence is not considered to be an automatic mitigating circumstance.”

Council leader Jason Kitcat added: “Parking enforcement is carried out according to national standards by our contractor.

“Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services.

“The council cannot ‘profit’ from parking enforcement action.

“Any surplus after costs must, by law, be re-invested into transport such as paying for concessionary bus passes, safety improvements and new technology like the popular PayByPhone app we now offer.”

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7:33am Tue 22 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that! HJarrs
  • Score: -37

7:52am Tue 22 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

"Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services."

Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible.
"Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services." Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible. Fight_Back
  • Score: 64

8:19am Tue 22 Apr 14

FC says...

Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy. FC
  • Score: -8

8:25am Tue 22 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all.
DISGRACEFUL..Should be helping store/restaurants/ke
bab shop owners etc...and not forcing them all to close down .
At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all. DISGRACEFUL..Should be helping store/restaurants/ke bab shop owners etc...and not forcing them all to close down . Joshiman
  • Score: 20

8:42am Tue 22 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
No it's not that simple. I got a ticket for parking in a residents bay. The signage and road markings gave the impression it was a P&D bay. Despite me pointing this out in my appeal to the council and supplying a copy of my P&D ticket they rejected my appeal. The adjudicator upheld my appeal after visiting the site in question and recommended that the council change the signage and road markings - 7 years later and the council STILL have the same confusing signage and road markings. That to me proves it's all about raising as much money as possible and nothing to do with traffic management.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I got a ticket for parking in a residents bay. The signage and road markings gave the impression it was a P&D bay. Despite me pointing this out in my appeal to the council and supplying a copy of my P&D ticket they rejected my appeal. The adjudicator upheld my appeal after visiting the site in question and recommended that the council change the signage and road markings - 7 years later and the council STILL have the same confusing signage and road markings. That to me proves it's all about raising as much money as possible and nothing to do with traffic management. Fight_Back
  • Score: 53

8:53am Tue 22 Apr 14

allykatz says...

FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Most tickets are for cars in parking bays not in places like western Road,

They are where people mistakenly park cars in zone parking instead of pay and display etc. The irony of the parking scheme is that it's during the day that parking spaces are available in parking zones it's after restrictions many none zoned cars are parked.

If the council had any sense (or moral fibre, either will do) then zoned parking restrictions during the day would be lifted for shoppers and enforced in the evening. But of course that may interfere with our beloved traffic wardens dinner arrangements.

The next council could get in on parking policy alone, since no one, and I mean no one, could do any worse on any policy than these buffoons.

I'm in zone Z and would have no objections to shoppers being able to park after 9 and before 6 for instance.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Most tickets are for cars in parking bays not in places like western Road, They are where people mistakenly park cars in zone parking instead of pay and display etc. The irony of the parking scheme is that it's during the day that parking spaces are available in parking zones it's after restrictions many none zoned cars are parked. If the council had any sense (or moral fibre, either will do) then zoned parking restrictions during the day would be lifted for shoppers and enforced in the evening. But of course that may interfere with our beloved traffic wardens dinner arrangements. The next council could get in on parking policy alone, since no one, and I mean no one, could do any worse on any policy than these buffoons. I'm in zone Z and would have no objections to shoppers being able to park after 9 and before 6 for instance. allykatz
  • Score: 29

8:57am Tue 22 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

allykatz wrote:
FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Most tickets are for cars in parking bays not in places like western Road,

They are where people mistakenly park cars in zone parking instead of pay and display etc. The irony of the parking scheme is that it's during the day that parking spaces are available in parking zones it's after restrictions many none zoned cars are parked.

If the council had any sense (or moral fibre, either will do) then zoned parking restrictions during the day would be lifted for shoppers and enforced in the evening. But of course that may interfere with our beloved traffic wardens dinner arrangements.

The next council could get in on parking policy alone, since no one, and I mean no one, could do any worse on any policy than these buffoons.

I'm in zone Z and would have no objections to shoppers being able to park after 9 and before 6 for instance.
Indeed - it's amazing seeing streets empty of parked cars during the working day in residents zones. Literally hundreds and hundreds of unused parking spaces for a good 8 hours a day. Sadly the council are too stupid to think "why don't we make some residents spots P&D during the day ?".
[quote][p][bold]allykatz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Most tickets are for cars in parking bays not in places like western Road, They are where people mistakenly park cars in zone parking instead of pay and display etc. The irony of the parking scheme is that it's during the day that parking spaces are available in parking zones it's after restrictions many none zoned cars are parked. If the council had any sense (or moral fibre, either will do) then zoned parking restrictions during the day would be lifted for shoppers and enforced in the evening. But of course that may interfere with our beloved traffic wardens dinner arrangements. The next council could get in on parking policy alone, since no one, and I mean no one, could do any worse on any policy than these buffoons. I'm in zone Z and would have no objections to shoppers being able to park after 9 and before 6 for instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed - it's amazing seeing streets empty of parked cars during the working day in residents zones. Literally hundreds and hundreds of unused parking spaces for a good 8 hours a day. Sadly the council are too stupid to think "why don't we make some residents spots P&D during the day ?". Fight_Back
  • Score: 29

9:05am Tue 22 Apr 14

JerryOnly says...

FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.)

Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need.

Dammit, I should move there...
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.) Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need. Dammit, I should move there... JerryOnly
  • Score: 30

9:12am Tue 22 Apr 14

Hove Actually says...

How can narrowing the road which holds up traffic and pushing people into rat runs help air quality and please explain how the worst air quality is in North street and area cars are already restricted from
How can narrowing the road which holds up traffic and pushing people into rat runs help air quality and please explain how the worst air quality is in North street and area cars are already restricted from Hove Actually
  • Score: 28

9:18am Tue 22 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

I must be sure to park legally, I can't afford a fine of £3.5m.
I must be sure to park legally, I can't afford a fine of £3.5m. NickBrt
  • Score: 12

9:41am Tue 22 Apr 14

DaRMiH says...

Why on earth should parking fines be used to make the lives of motorists easier? What a silly person the People's Parking Protest is.
Why on earth should parking fines be used to make the lives of motorists easier? What a silly person the People's Parking Protest is. DaRMiH
  • Score: -32

9:50am Tue 22 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

JerryOnly wrote:
FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.)

Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need.

Dammit, I should move there...
£1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends in Worthing?

That is wrong on so many different levels.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.) Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need. Dammit, I should move there...[/p][/quote]£1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends in Worthing? That is wrong on so many different levels. Quiterie
  • Score: 6

9:59am Tue 22 Apr 14

peterthomas says...

And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists. peterthomas
  • Score: 26

10:02am Tue 22 Apr 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live.

You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week.

You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live. You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week. You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration. pachallis
  • Score: 25

10:24am Tue 22 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area.

Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area. Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street? Gribbet
  • Score: -1

10:26am Tue 22 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

I'll bet every single one of them felt they had a good excuse too.
I'll bet every single one of them felt they had a good excuse too. Gribbet
  • Score: -10

10:43am Tue 22 Apr 14

fred clause says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Just to clear this up most of the corner parking up there is where there are no lines so nothing they can do its still A Police matter.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Just to clear this up most of the corner parking up there is where there are no lines so nothing they can do its still A Police matter. fred clause
  • Score: 9

10:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

“At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all."

Cycle lanes don't benefit the motorist at all? What all those thousands of motorists who also cycle around town? Surely the cycle lanes are benefitting quite a few people who qualify as motorists.

Daft statement there Steve.
“At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all." Cycle lanes don't benefit the motorist at all? What all those thousands of motorists who also cycle around town? Surely the cycle lanes are benefitting quite a few people who qualify as motorists. Daft statement there Steve. Gribbet
  • Score: -7

11:08am Tue 22 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live.

You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week.

You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.
Going to have to correct you here, Hanover only has communal bins on 2 streets as far as I know, the rest of the area has weekly binvelope collections.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live. You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week. You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.[/p][/quote]Going to have to correct you here, Hanover only has communal bins on 2 streets as far as I know, the rest of the area has weekly binvelope collections. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

11:12am Tue 22 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live.

You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week.

You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.
Going to have to correct you here, Hanover only has communal bins on 2 streets as far as I know, the rest of the area has weekly binvelope collections.
@Gribbet - shucks - looked at Washington street on the BHCC web site. Assuming you live in the 'triangle' - do you get rubbish and recycling on the same day?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live. You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week. You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.[/p][/quote]Going to have to correct you here, Hanover only has communal bins on 2 streets as far as I know, the rest of the area has weekly binvelope collections.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - shucks - looked at Washington street on the BHCC web site. Assuming you live in the 'triangle' - do you get rubbish and recycling on the same day? pachallis
  • Score: 4

11:56am Tue 22 Apr 14

brightonaire says...

I hope the greens are bold enough to ban cars from the town centre or introduce a congestion charge. That'd raise even more revenue and make the town centre so much better... I hope they do it soon while they've still got the chance........ I hate selfish lone car drivers and the pollution/hazards they cause... most of them are fat as well
I hope the greens are bold enough to ban cars from the town centre or introduce a congestion charge. That'd raise even more revenue and make the town centre so much better... I hope they do it soon while they've still got the chance........ I hate selfish lone car drivers and the pollution/hazards they cause... most of them are fat as well brightonaire
  • Score: -26

12:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

JerryOnly wrote:
FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.)

Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need.

Dammit, I should move there...
Brighton Council take note and act before you lose or your council tax paying/car driving residents and be left with zilch income.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough, yes it is ALMOST that simple. Though I'd have said if you don't want a ticket don't park in Brighton. You're not welcome in your car where a day's parking can cost you more than a year's road tax (see seafront.) Take your money elsewhere - Worthing's brilliant. £1.50 all day in multi-storey at weekends, 2hrs free in Morrison's, FREE on-street on Sundays and throughout the day near town centre on Saturdays for a few hours. All the shops you could need. Dammit, I should move there...[/p][/quote]Brighton Council take note and act before you lose or your council tax paying/car driving residents and be left with zilch income. Joshiman
  • Score: 6

12:34pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Mark63 says...

Steve Percy is spot on - the Greens are a modern day Robin Hood... stealing money from drivers to give to cyclists.... The one policy council strikes yet again. Give us BETTER ROADS for ALL - not just your preferred transport methods... give people choice and stop dictating... Not all of us like cycling, not all of us like the noisy busses.... Most of us don't like the millions spent on unused cycle lanes and the 20mph graffitti appearing everywhere... It feels like you are rushing all this through bewfore you get chucked out onto the street in 2015... Shame on you!
Steve Percy is spot on - the Greens are a modern day Robin Hood... stealing money from drivers to give to cyclists.... The one policy council strikes yet again. Give us BETTER ROADS for ALL - not just your preferred transport methods... give people choice and stop dictating... Not all of us like cycling, not all of us like the noisy busses.... Most of us don't like the millions spent on unused cycle lanes and the 20mph graffitti appearing everywhere... It feels like you are rushing all this through bewfore you get chucked out onto the street in 2015... Shame on you! Mark63
  • Score: 18

12:38pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gheese77 says...

peterthomas wrote:
And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
[quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ? gheese77
  • Score: -6

12:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

People need to remember that this highly dysfunctional council appear to believe that the i360 is viable and want to borrow £36 million to fund it for a private enterprise.
Take a moment to think about that. Yep, it's that bad.
People need to remember that this highly dysfunctional council appear to believe that the i360 is viable and want to borrow £36 million to fund it for a private enterprise. Take a moment to think about that. Yep, it's that bad. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 21

12:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

You could argue they do not do anoth as there are many parts of B&H that rely see a traffic warden so maybe we need more cameras watching over use.
You could argue they do not do anoth as there are many parts of B&H that rely see a traffic warden so maybe we need more cameras watching over use. wippasnapper
  • Score: -6

1:07pm Tue 22 Apr 14

moveoveru says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Don't forget - Disabled Blue Badge holders are allowed to park in double yellow lines - which are considered an obstruction and dangerous for everyone else!

Oh and specialist trades can also park on double yellow lines with a special yellow ticket from the parking office - this allocated them a spot on double yellows, usually at junction points on roads.

Both of these make a farce of the argument that cars are ticketed because they are obstruction the road and could cause emergency vehicles difficulty in maneuvering into a road.

I never understood this massive contraction with the council and its parking enforcement. Seriously, to issue temporary permits to park on double yellow lines is a joke! Double standards.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Don't forget - Disabled Blue Badge holders are allowed to park in double yellow lines - which are considered an obstruction and dangerous for everyone else! Oh and specialist trades can also park on double yellow lines with a special yellow ticket from the parking office - this allocated them a spot on double yellows, usually at junction points on roads. Both of these make a farce of the argument that cars are ticketed because they are obstruction the road and could cause emergency vehicles difficulty in maneuvering into a road. I never understood this massive contraction with the council and its parking enforcement. Seriously, to issue temporary permits to park on double yellow lines is a joke! Double standards. moveoveru
  • Score: 16

1:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

thelieshurts says...

Fight_Back wrote:
"Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services."

Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible.
I agree, walking past Grafton St Kemptown this morning was almost empty of cars parked there, yet a few seconds walk away a letting agents car was parked on the pavement out side their shop, this is normal for them to do this for hours at a time. Along the road there's always cars parked there on lines I've seen cars in bays with tickets ok they may have wrong tickets or over stayed, seen disabled cars in their bays get tickets, yes they could be wrong.
( a traffic warden walked pass the agents as I walked passed he looked in the agents and waved to them, what does that say. The car wasn't there at that point.)
Has the law changed now, can we park on lines and pavements. everywhere you go now it's the same.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: "Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services." Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible.[/p][/quote]I agree, walking past Grafton St Kemptown this morning was almost empty of cars parked there, yet a few seconds walk away a letting agents car was parked on the pavement out side their shop, this is normal for them to do this for hours at a time. Along the road there's always cars parked there on lines I've seen cars in bays with tickets ok they may have wrong tickets or over stayed, seen disabled cars in their bays get tickets, yes they could be wrong. ( a traffic warden walked pass the agents as I walked passed he looked in the agents and waved to them, what does that say. The car wasn't there at that point.) Has the law changed now, can we park on lines and pavements. everywhere you go now it's the same. thelieshurts
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Tue 22 Apr 14

moveoveru says...

There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day.
The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing.
Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner. moveoveru
  • Score: 13

1:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse.
If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 7

2:37pm Tue 22 Apr 14

JessaC says...

What gets me is the communal bins that they are increasingly dumping on double yellow lines. If a car (or rabbit hutch) is an obstruction and warrants a ticket, surely these ugly metal beasts deserve one too. After all they are there all day and slow traffic flow. Maybe that's why we have them all of a sudden...
What gets me is the communal bins that they are increasingly dumping on double yellow lines. If a car (or rabbit hutch) is an obstruction and warrants a ticket, surely these ugly metal beasts deserve one too. After all they are there all day and slow traffic flow. Maybe that's why we have them all of a sudden... JessaC
  • Score: 7

2:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
i quite concur mmmmmmmmmm the trafic wardens just patrol outside schools at "just the right time.." ... and But Chris Todd, of Brighton and Hove Friends of the Earth, said the money invested in cycle lanes was well spent “due to the better health and air quality” .. well the air quality is that REALLY true ? i think it its still the same pollution or more because they making the cars move about much more . Traffic wardens please please do take in to consideration the tourists that park to get ice creams ... BUT do not ignore the idiots that park just to nip to the cash point (A T M ) it might seem like moments but really them parts of brighton near cash points create pinch points !!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]i quite concur mmmmmmmmmm the trafic wardens just patrol outside schools at "just the right time.." ... and But Chris Todd, of Brighton and Hove Friends of the Earth, said the money invested in cycle lanes was well spent “due to the better health and air quality” .. well the air quality is that REALLY true ? i think it its still the same pollution or more because they making the cars move about much more . Traffic wardens please please do take in to consideration the tourists that park to get ice creams ... BUT do not ignore the idiots that park just to nip to the cash point (A T M ) it might seem like moments but really them parts of brighton near cash points create pinch points !! Mr chock
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Tue 22 Apr 14

moveoveru says...

JessaC wrote:
What gets me is the communal bins that they are increasingly dumping on double yellow lines. If a car (or rabbit hutch) is an obstruction and warrants a ticket, surely these ugly metal beasts deserve one too. After all they are there all day and slow traffic flow. Maybe that's why we have them all of a sudden...
Hey, builders and trades are issued special wavers by the council to park on double yellow lines all across Brighton, usually at juctions - This is despite us told that ordinary vehicles are an obstruction for emergency vehicles. It's a very bizarre contraction. And don't get me started on blue badge holders parking on double yellows at junctions.
[quote][p][bold]JessaC[/bold] wrote: What gets me is the communal bins that they are increasingly dumping on double yellow lines. If a car (or rabbit hutch) is an obstruction and warrants a ticket, surely these ugly metal beasts deserve one too. After all they are there all day and slow traffic flow. Maybe that's why we have them all of a sudden...[/p][/quote]Hey, builders and trades are issued special wavers by the council to park on double yellow lines all across Brighton, usually at juctions - This is despite us told that ordinary vehicles are an obstruction for emergency vehicles. It's a very bizarre contraction. And don't get me started on blue badge holders parking on double yellows at junctions. moveoveru
  • Score: 3

3:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Uh oh, looks like this figure of 3.5m is a comparatively low haul compared to previous years in Brighton's recent history. Back in 2004 the council reaped 5.4m in parking fines! Those of you assuming that an end to the Green administration will be the end of your illegal parking woes may want to think again.

Funny enough, Percy also commented in this article too. Do People's Parking Protest actually engage in any real physical protests, or is he just a one man rent-a-quote on motoring issues?

http:// news.bbc.co. uk/2/hi/uk_news
/england/southern_co
unties/3829769.stm
Uh oh, looks like this figure of 3.5m is a comparatively low haul compared to previous years in Brighton's recent history. Back in 2004 the council reaped 5.4m in parking fines! Those of you assuming that an end to the Green administration will be the end of your illegal parking woes may want to think again. Funny enough, Percy also commented in this article too. Do People's Parking Protest actually engage in any real physical protests, or is he just a one man rent-a-quote on motoring issues? http:// news.bbc.co. uk/2/hi/uk_news /england/southern_co unties/3829769.stm Gribbet
  • Score: -1

3:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

theargusissoinformative says...

moveoveru wrote:
There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
[quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 6

3:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

moveoveru says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
moveoveru wrote:
There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.[/p][/quote]Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps. moveoveru
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gheese77 says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse.
And if everyone parked illegally then motor traffic would grind to a complete halt
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse.[/p][/quote]And if everyone parked illegally then motor traffic would grind to a complete halt gheese77
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Tue 22 Apr 14

theargusissoinformative says...

moveoveru wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote:
moveoveru wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps.
Just to confuse things, Eric Pickles published a consultation online which doesn't seem to see things the way that you or I would see them. The tone of the consultation was 'the motorist is always right, and councils are always greedy beggars' - no interest in any facts as such. He did half-heartedly ask whether any measures should be taken against anti-social behaviour, without offering a definition - I'm particularly interested to see if he considers this at all when he publishes the results of his consultation. We haven't too long to wait - these are going to be published just before the local elections next month.
[quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.[/p][/quote]Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps.[/p][/quote]Just to confuse things, Eric Pickles published a consultation online which doesn't seem to see things the way that you or I would see them. The tone of the consultation was 'the motorist is always right, and councils are always greedy beggars' - no interest in any facts as such. He did half-heartedly ask whether any measures should be taken against anti-social behaviour, without offering a definition - I'm particularly interested to see if he considers this at all when he publishes the results of his consultation. We haven't too long to wait - these are going to be published just before the local elections next month. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -3

4:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

divers69 says...

Gribbet wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area.

Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street?
Well said !
Peoples Parking Protest seems to be one person with a fixed agenda.
More and more the costs of traffic such as air pollution and congestion are becoming obvious. There is no simple solution, but a big part has to be enforcing parking restrictions, irritating though that may be at times (yes, I've been ticketed too). Another part is getting more people to cycle and use public transport, hence Mr Percy's much hated cycle lanes (which I use and find really good in the main)
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area. Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street?[/p][/quote]Well said ! Peoples Parking Protest seems to be one person with a fixed agenda. More and more the costs of traffic such as air pollution and congestion are becoming obvious. There is no simple solution, but a big part has to be enforcing parking restrictions, irritating though that may be at times (yes, I've been ticketed too). Another part is getting more people to cycle and use public transport, hence Mr Percy's much hated cycle lanes (which I use and find really good in the main) divers69
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

divers69 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area.

Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street?
Well said !
Peoples Parking Protest seems to be one person with a fixed agenda.
More and more the costs of traffic such as air pollution and congestion are becoming obvious. There is no simple solution, but a big part has to be enforcing parking restrictions, irritating though that may be at times (yes, I've been ticketed too). Another part is getting more people to cycle and use public transport, hence Mr Percy's much hated cycle lanes (which I use and find really good in the main)
Nope - I don't get it. How does enforcing parking restrictions help air pollution ? If anything it increases it. So for example, if a space has a four hour limit on it then 4 cars might drive around and use it in a day - thus 4 times pollution. If the limit was say 8 hours then only two cars might use it in a day - thus less pollution.

Enforcing driving restrictions would deal with it but parking restrictions just create money for the council.
[quote][p][bold]divers69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]and totally blocking pavements at times, cracking the pavement slabs, dumping unwanted cars, double parking, the Amex rush hours, Hanover is really more of a car park than a residential area. Also, is People's Parking Protest an actual group, or is it more like saveHOVE? just one person trying to give the impression that they're some kind of active group with multiple members? Why do the Argus always ask Steve Percy's opinion anyway, is he any more of an expert on the subject than your average man on the street?[/p][/quote]Well said ! Peoples Parking Protest seems to be one person with a fixed agenda. More and more the costs of traffic such as air pollution and congestion are becoming obvious. There is no simple solution, but a big part has to be enforcing parking restrictions, irritating though that may be at times (yes, I've been ticketed too). Another part is getting more people to cycle and use public transport, hence Mr Percy's much hated cycle lanes (which I use and find really good in the main)[/p][/quote]Nope - I don't get it. How does enforcing parking restrictions help air pollution ? If anything it increases it. So for example, if a space has a four hour limit on it then 4 cars might drive around and use it in a day - thus 4 times pollution. If the limit was say 8 hours then only two cars might use it in a day - thus less pollution. Enforcing driving restrictions would deal with it but parking restrictions just create money for the council. Fight_Back
  • Score: 3

5:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

gheese77 wrote:
Old Ladys Gin wrote:
If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse.
And if everyone parked illegally then motor traffic would grind to a complete halt
At least the present system would have to be thought about again.
Most people still link parking offences with the police which is not now the case as they are civil misdemeanour's.
It is only if the vehicle causes an obstruction that the police may and I stress the word may become involved.
Most police would initiate a 180 degree turn if ever faced with a parking 'crime'.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: If everybody without exception refused to pay the tickets then the system would collapse.[/p][/quote]And if everyone parked illegally then motor traffic would grind to a complete halt[/p][/quote]At least the present system would have to be thought about again. Most people still link parking offences with the police which is not now the case as they are civil misdemeanour's. It is only if the vehicle causes an obstruction that the police may and I stress the word may become involved. Most police would initiate a 180 degree turn if ever faced with a parking 'crime'. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Sir Prised says...

Shop online. Brighton's a tip any way. However the REAL issue is population which no one in authority has the b***s to talk about.
Shop online. Brighton's a tip any way. However the REAL issue is population which no one in authority has the b***s to talk about. Sir Prised
  • Score: 4

6:52pm Tue 22 Apr 14

osprey81 says...

gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote:
And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
I think we need a better system of enforcing cycling fines. There is no way to identify a cyclist, as they have no licence plate, we are just relying on a policeman to be there at the exact moment that something happens. The other day, a cyclist almost knocked me over when I was using a zebra crossing, rather than stopping like the Highway Code says, he carried on at the same speed and swerved at the last minute to avoid me, and had the nerve to pedal away while laughing. He was obviously in the wrong for not stopping to let a pedestrian (who had already stepped onto the crossing) cross. There's no way that this cyclist could be fined, even if there was CCTV footage of him - who is he and where does he live to send a fine to?
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]I think we need a better system of enforcing cycling fines. There is no way to identify a cyclist, as they have no licence plate, we are just relying on a policeman to be there at the exact moment that something happens. The other day, a cyclist almost knocked me over when I was using a zebra crossing, rather than stopping like the Highway Code says, he carried on at the same speed and swerved at the last minute to avoid me, and had the nerve to pedal away while laughing. He was obviously in the wrong for not stopping to let a pedestrian (who had already stepped onto the crossing) cross. There's no way that this cyclist could be fined, even if there was CCTV footage of him - who is he and where does he live to send a fine to? osprey81
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Tue 22 Apr 14

hoveguyactually says...

On most days the parking bays along Hove seafront are empty. Wise shoppers go elsewhere, while many local shops close down. Hardly good business sense! But what do the council care, all the time they are raking in a fortune from high charges and fines?
On most days the parking bays along Hove seafront are empty. Wise shoppers go elsewhere, while many local shops close down. Hardly good business sense! But what do the council care, all the time they are raking in a fortune from high charges and fines? hoveguyactually
  • Score: 3

7:08pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Withdean-er says...

Anti Green petrolheads trying to turn this into a party political point. But parking fine income has been increasing exponentially under all recent regimes - easy money.

Almost all tickets are fully deserved. I've had a couple in the last 2 years. Once for parking in Preston Park and not having the change for the machine, and another by parking in a limited time bay at London Road train station and not bothering to read the sign. Entirely my fault, I paid up and moved on. No thought of hating the council or threatening the attendent - leave all that to the Neanderthal's heading for an early cardiac arrest with their bitter anger.
Anti Green petrolheads trying to turn this into a party political point. But parking fine income has been increasing exponentially under all recent regimes - easy money. Almost all tickets are fully deserved. I've had a couple in the last 2 years. Once for parking in Preston Park and not having the change for the machine, and another by parking in a limited time bay at London Road train station and not bothering to read the sign. Entirely my fault, I paid up and moved on. No thought of hating the council or threatening the attendent - leave all that to the Neanderthal's heading for an early cardiac arrest with their bitter anger. Withdean-er
  • Score: -2

7:19pm Tue 22 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live.

You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week.

You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.
Patchy you are so funny! Is that the best you can do?

WDR? Westdeutsche Rundfunk? Just round the back of of Koeln Dom?

Not that it is relevant to the article, but I think you will find in Hanover, we have a mixture of rubbish collection systems. Some streets have curb side collection, some weekly green bin / black bag collection and recycling picked up two weekly. Pop over sometime, i will take you round. I will get the coffees in at Fanny's.

I, like a lot of people, are sick and tired of having to risk life and limb to cross the road because of badly parked cars and vans. And crossing the road is a particular pain with little ones. It isn't stranger danger I worry about it is small stuff being hit by a car. Many of these vehicles are not vital and seldom used and there are plenty of affordable car club cars available locally.

At least those paying parking fines (and I have been one) can take some comfort that any excess revenue goes towards good causes such as pensioner bus passes or is used to lever in millions in external investment (every council £1 spent on cycle lanes raising £2-10). Good business eh?
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live. You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week. You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.[/p][/quote]Patchy you are so funny! Is that the best you can do? WDR? Westdeutsche Rundfunk? Just round the back of of Koeln Dom? Not that it is relevant to the article, but I think you will find in Hanover, we have a mixture of rubbish collection systems. Some streets have curb side collection, some weekly green bin / black bag collection and recycling picked up two weekly. Pop over sometime, i will take you round. I will get the coffees in at Fanny's. I, like a lot of people, are sick and tired of having to risk life and limb to cross the road because of badly parked cars and vans. And crossing the road is a particular pain with little ones. It isn't stranger danger I worry about it is small stuff being hit by a car. Many of these vehicles are not vital and seldom used and there are plenty of affordable car club cars available locally. At least those paying parking fines (and I have been one) can take some comfort that any excess revenue goes towards good causes such as pensioner bus passes or is used to lever in millions in external investment (every council £1 spent on cycle lanes raising £2-10). Good business eh? HJarrs
  • Score: -6

7:21pm Tue 22 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Curb side = curb side big bin
Curb side = curb side big bin HJarrs
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Tue 22 Apr 14

BtnLaurence says...

FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
Not really.

I received a parking ticket several months ago. It was because I was apparently not displaying my permit.
I was displaying a permit very clearly. I appealed, it was rejected. I appealed again, it was rejected again and then it went to court, where of course it was found in my favour.
Now how much public money has that cost because of this vindictive council?

So no, clever Dick, it's not that simple.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]Not really. I received a parking ticket several months ago. It was because I was apparently not displaying my permit. I was displaying a permit very clearly. I appealed, it was rejected. I appealed again, it was rejected again and then it went to court, where of course it was found in my favour. Now how much public money has that cost because of this vindictive council? So no, clever Dick, it's not that simple. BtnLaurence
  • Score: 8

8:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Darkdog45 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
FC wrote:
Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally.

OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE?

YES.

Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.
No it's not that simple. I got a ticket for parking in a residents bay. The signage and road markings gave the impression it was a P&D bay. Despite me pointing this out in my appeal to the council and supplying a copy of my P&D ticket they rejected my appeal. The adjudicator upheld my appeal after visiting the site in question and recommended that the council change the signage and road markings - 7 years later and the council STILL have the same confusing signage and road markings. That to me proves it's all about raising as much money as possible and nothing to do with traffic management.
Exactly the same circumstances as for me. Caught out by confusing signage - thought I was in a Pay and Display Bay so fed the meter right next to my vehicle only to see later a tiny sign advising I was in a Residents Bay. This on a Sunday afternoon when there were plenty of available parking bays. Decided to appeal then abandoned it as fed up with letter writing and have a life to lead. Wish I had stuck with it. FOA request revealed revenue of over 500K from this road alone. Its all about the cash !
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Don't want a ticket? Don't park illegally. OMG COULD IT REALLY BE THAT SIMPLE? YES. Also, get yourselves along Western Road if you want to top up your ticket earnings. All the convenience store and kebab shop owners tend to park there all day. Not to mention the yummy mummy's just stopping off at Sainsbury's for Tarquinius' organic smoothy.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I got a ticket for parking in a residents bay. The signage and road markings gave the impression it was a P&D bay. Despite me pointing this out in my appeal to the council and supplying a copy of my P&D ticket they rejected my appeal. The adjudicator upheld my appeal after visiting the site in question and recommended that the council change the signage and road markings - 7 years later and the council STILL have the same confusing signage and road markings. That to me proves it's all about raising as much money as possible and nothing to do with traffic management.[/p][/quote]Exactly the same circumstances as for me. Caught out by confusing signage - thought I was in a Pay and Display Bay so fed the meter right next to my vehicle only to see later a tiny sign advising I was in a Residents Bay. This on a Sunday afternoon when there were plenty of available parking bays. Decided to appeal then abandoned it as fed up with letter writing and have a life to lead. Wish I had stuck with it. FOA request revealed revenue of over 500K from this road alone. Its all about the cash ! Darkdog45
  • Score: 4

8:55pm Tue 22 Apr 14

magic_chimp says...

Vehicle hating council now using scare tactics in the new CPZ around Tivoli Road, Matlock Road area. Not enforced until 1st May but they are leaving heavy handed notes on windscreens saying 'This vehicle is parked in contravention of the new parking regulations. This is a warning notice only on this occasion but from the 1st May a Penalty Charge Notice may be issued'.
Rather than a friendly pre-emptive note saying that from 1st May new parking restrictions are in force they hand out $hite like this giving the impression that perfectly legally parked vehicles shouldn't be parking there and are in contravention of regulations that are not yet in force.
Priceless considering the residents voted against the consultation but the Greens and snide Labour voted it in anyway.
Not long now and everyone will be back to the middle ages driving horse and carts around!
Vehicle hating council now using scare tactics in the new CPZ around Tivoli Road, Matlock Road area. Not enforced until 1st May but they are leaving heavy handed notes on windscreens saying 'This vehicle is parked in contravention of the new parking regulations. This is a warning notice only on this occasion but from the 1st May a Penalty Charge Notice may be issued'. Rather than a friendly pre-emptive note saying that from 1st May new parking restrictions are in force they hand out $hite like this giving the impression that perfectly legally parked vehicles shouldn't be parking there and are in contravention of regulations that are not yet in force. Priceless considering the residents voted against the consultation but the Greens and snide Labour voted it in anyway. Not long now and everyone will be back to the middle ages driving horse and carts around! magic_chimp
  • Score: 7

9:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Bill in Hanover says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
HJarrs is obviously still peeved that the residents of Hanover and Elm Grove rejected the Green Party Council's idea of introducing residents parking in the area. Not to mention rejecting the Green party candidate in the last by-election.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]HJarrs is obviously still peeved that the residents of Hanover and Elm Grove rejected the Green Party Council's idea of introducing residents parking in the area. Not to mention rejecting the Green party candidate in the last by-election. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 6

10:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
"Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services."

Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible.
Are you for real?! Are you REALLY saying that those same wardens wouldn't ticket cars in bays if they had over-stayed their ticket if the Tories or Labour were in power?!
Really??!!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: "Enforcement is essential to ensure safe roads without obstructions for all road users including bus services." Which would be fine given this would include double yellow lines and dangerous parking. The problem with Kitcats statement is that a huge majority of tickets are issued to cars parked in a designated parking space - so can not possibly be causing an obstruction or danger. It's all about raising as much money as possible.[/p][/quote]Are you for real?! Are you REALLY saying that those same wardens wouldn't ticket cars in bays if they had over-stayed their ticket if the Tories or Labour were in power?! Really??!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Tue 22 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
On most days the parking bays along Hove seafront are empty. Wise shoppers go elsewhere, while many local shops close down. Hardly good business sense! But what do the council care, all the time they are raking in a fortune from high charges and fines?
What a load of twaddle - those bays are empty because no shopper would park there because there are no shops there for gods sake! But if you go where there ARE shops such as Church Road and Blatchington Road then you would see that those bays are used!!
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: On most days the parking bays along Hove seafront are empty. Wise shoppers go elsewhere, while many local shops close down. Hardly good business sense! But what do the council care, all the time they are raking in a fortune from high charges and fines?[/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle - those bays are empty because no shopper would park there because there are no shops there for gods sake! But if you go where there ARE shops such as Church Road and Blatchington Road then you would see that those bays are used!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

10:20pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live.

You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week.

You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.
Sorry but Hanover only has communal bins in two streets. Coleman and Washington. You obviously don't live in Hanover either. Don't post falsehoods.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR - you don't live in Hanover, but it is the centre of muesli-land so probably a good place to say that is where you live. You let loose in another article about rubbish and recycling being collected on the same day each week. If you actually lived in Hanover you'd know that they have communal bins collected every day and recycling every other week. You really are a very poor spin doctor if you have to make up so many lies to support this incompetent green 'led' administration.[/p][/quote]Sorry but Hanover only has communal bins in two streets. Coleman and Washington. You obviously don't live in Hanover either. Don't post falsehoods. Max Ripple
  • Score: 0

10:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it. Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

10:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Max Ripple wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
The CPZ's were instigated and/ or continued to spread under both previous Tory and Labour administrations and you can guarantee that neither will reverse those areas 'zoned' by the Greens - but don't let facts get in the way of ill-informed anti-Green propaganda!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.[/p][/quote]The CPZ's were instigated and/ or continued to spread under both previous Tory and Labour administrations and you can guarantee that neither will reverse those areas 'zoned' by the Greens - but don't let facts get in the way of ill-informed anti-Green propaganda! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

12:58am Wed 23 Apr 14

Vince says...

gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area. Vince
  • Score: 2

1:06am Wed 23 Apr 14

Rita Snatch says...

"Council leader Jason Kitcat added: “Parking enforcement is carried out according to national standards by our contractor."

But failed to mention that they sometimes don't follow their own guidelines and issue a ticket when an agreement states otherwise ... and then refuse to cancel the ticket which has been incorrectly issued.....
"Council leader Jason Kitcat added: “Parking enforcement is carried out according to national standards by our contractor." But failed to mention that they sometimes don't follow their own guidelines and issue a ticket when an agreement states otherwise ... and then refuse to cancel the ticket which has been incorrectly issued..... Rita Snatch
  • Score: 1

1:40am Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Anti Green petrolheads trying to turn this into a party political point. But parking fine income has been increasing exponentially under all recent regimes - easy money.

Almost all tickets are fully deserved. I've had a couple in the last 2 years. Once for parking in Preston Park and not having the change for the machine, and another by parking in a limited time bay at London Road train station and not bothering to read the sign. Entirely my fault, I paid up and moved on. No thought of hating the council or threatening the attendent - leave all that to the Neanderthal's heading for an early cardiac arrest with their bitter anger.
That's a bit of an unfair thing to say about Neanderthals there, comparing them to our angry Brighton Petrolheads.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: Anti Green petrolheads trying to turn this into a party political point. But parking fine income has been increasing exponentially under all recent regimes - easy money. Almost all tickets are fully deserved. I've had a couple in the last 2 years. Once for parking in Preston Park and not having the change for the machine, and another by parking in a limited time bay at London Road train station and not bothering to read the sign. Entirely my fault, I paid up and moved on. No thought of hating the council or threatening the attendent - leave all that to the Neanderthal's heading for an early cardiac arrest with their bitter anger.[/p][/quote]That's a bit of an unfair thing to say about Neanderthals there, comparing them to our angry Brighton Petrolheads. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

1:59am Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Max Ripple wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area.

You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.[/p][/quote]No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area. You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

4:16am Wed 23 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
moveoveru wrote:
There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
WOW .. i see that a parking warden is reading the postings.. why cant this parking warden have put a ticket on a car if IF they saw it parked on a double yellow line .. odd is it a territorial thing ?? i only just discovered that if a bike is stolen in Brighton the police in Worthing / Eastbourne do not get a stolen bike list report passed on . and other crimes the police find out a little more on twitter SEE article on mans body found at industrial estate a few days back ..
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.[/p][/quote]WOW .. i see that a parking warden is reading the postings.. why cant this parking warden have put a ticket on a car if IF they saw it parked on a double yellow line .. odd is it a territorial thing ?? i only just discovered that if a bike is stolen in Brighton the police in Worthing / Eastbourne do not get a stolen bike list report passed on . and other crimes the police find out a little more on twitter SEE article on mans body found at industrial estate a few days back .. Mr chock
  • Score: -1

6:11am Wed 23 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Vince wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists!
2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.[/p][/quote]1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists! 2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

6:52am Wed 23 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Gribbet wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area.

You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.
I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city!

I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.[/p][/quote]No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area. You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.[/p][/quote]I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city! I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!! HJarrs
  • Score: -2

9:20am Wed 23 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Vince wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists!
2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking!
Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen
t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.[/p][/quote]1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists! 2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking![/p][/quote]Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed? Plantpot
  • Score: 0

9:46am Wed 23 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Plantpot wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Vince wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists!
2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking!
Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen

t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?
Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.[/p][/quote]1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists! 2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking![/p][/quote]Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?[/p][/quote]Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014. brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

11:08am Wed 23 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Vince wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists!
2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking!
Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen


t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?
Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014.
I've just looked at the article. There is no mention of the source of statistics, just that a pro-cycling charity is spouting them. So where did they source them from? Any idea?

This comment stood out as interesting though, I'm surprised you failed to mention it:

"When serious injuries are measured as a proportion of distance travelled, cyclists injured 21 pedestrians per billion km travelled in 2012 compared with 24 pedestrians injured by drivers."

As always, if everyone, however they travel, simply followed the Highway Code, we'd have far less injuries on the road. Instead we have to devise complicated and costly solutions to what should be relatively simple problems.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.[/p][/quote]1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists! 2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking![/p][/quote]Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?[/p][/quote]Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014.[/p][/quote]I've just looked at the article. There is no mention of the source of statistics, just that a pro-cycling charity is spouting them. So where did they source them from? Any idea? This comment stood out as interesting though, I'm surprised you failed to mention it: "When serious injuries are measured as a proportion of distance travelled, cyclists injured 21 pedestrians per billion km travelled in 2012 compared with 24 pedestrians injured by drivers." As always, if everyone, however they travel, simply followed the Highway Code, we'd have far less injuries on the road. Instead we have to devise complicated and costly solutions to what should be relatively simple problems. Plantpot
  • Score: 2

11:39am Wed 23 Apr 14

gheese77 says...

There are lies, dam lies and statistics, that one is just a lie.
There are lies, dam lies and statistics, that one is just a lie. gheese77
  • Score: -2

11:49am Wed 23 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

gheese77 wrote:
There are lies, dam lies and statistics, that one is just a lie.
Great input - you must be proud!I
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: There are lies, dam lies and statistics, that one is just a lie.[/p][/quote]Great input - you must be proud!I brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

11:54am Wed 23 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Plantpot wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Vince wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
peterthomas wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.
Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?
Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand......

On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment.

As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons.

Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists.

I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.
1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists!
2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking!
Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen



t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?
Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014.
I've just looked at the article. There is no mention of the source of statistics, just that a pro-cycling charity is spouting them. So where did they source them from? Any idea?

This comment stood out as interesting though, I'm surprised you failed to mention it:

"When serious injuries are measured as a proportion of distance travelled, cyclists injured 21 pedestrians per billion km travelled in 2012 compared with 24 pedestrians injured by drivers."

As always, if everyone, however they travel, simply followed the Highway Code, we'd have far less injuries on the road. Instead we have to devise complicated and costly solutions to what should be relatively simple problems.
Yes you are right about the proportionality BUT the fact remains that 75% of injuries caused to pedestrians by cyclists appear to be the fault of the pedestrian - and lets not forget that if the pedestrian is injured it is very likely that he/ she has injured the poor cyclist!!
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: And how much would be raised if cyclists were fined for running red lights/riding on pavements ( despite the millions spent on cycle lanes) and riding at night witthout lights and often with headphones on - evenn without and perish the thought - cyclists had to pay to use the roads and were registered?? This laughable council have made the City a pain to navigate in a car which is to no one's benefit - take a look at teh traffive approchit the Old Shoreham Rd from Seven Dials and Dyke Rd - what a total shambles. Shame the Town Hall pen pushers can't devote as much energy to getting rubbish collected as they do to ripping of paying motorists.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are fined for running red lights and riding on pavements (as they should be). Just because you don't see it happening for every infraction does not mean it does not happen. Every day I see motorists blatantly breaking the speed limit without being penalised. How much could be raised by better enforcement of speed limits I wonder ?[/p][/quote]Codswallop gheese77. As a driver for more than 40 years - driving 15k miles per year most of that time, having driven the streets of Brighton, Hove, Southwick, Shoreham, Lancing and Worthing many, many times, and having had no driving offences in all those years, apart from one occasion where i was driving carefully at 37mph on a completely empty Old Shoreham Road, with absolutely no traffic or people around (and fined a ridiculous£65) I think I am qualified to say that the vast majority of appalling breaches of the highway code that I have encountered in recent years is perpetrated by cyclists - deliberately cycling through red traffic lights - cycling at speed along pavements, cycling at night without lights, cycling the wrong way up one-way streets, overtaking on the inside of cars near traffic lights, cycling 2-a-breast on busy roads so you can't overtake them, cycling no-handed, cycling without helmets, cycling while holding on to their dogs (using a lead), cycling while eating sandwiches or drinking from a bottle, cycling holding shopping bags in one hand...... On one occasion I was reversing out of my driveway into the road, but because I was, as always, being very careful, I had time to stop and avoid a cyclist cycling downhill at speed on the pavement outside my house - even though he only came into view at the last second. He obviously had no thought for his own life, or for that matter any elderly residents who could easily have been walking from their houses onto the pavement at that moment. As a pedestrian, over the years I have seen thousands cycling on the seafront promenade instead of using the designated cycling lanes, cycling in pedestrian only zones like George Street, weaving in and out at speed in areas congested with pedestrians. On one occasion I started to move sideways in George Street to look in a shop window and was hit on the arm by an unapologetic cyclist. Fortunately the contact was not enough to cause serious injury to me. Actually, even where cyclists are legitimately using cycle lanes - like the ones on Brighton seafront road - it is hazardous for residents especially those with small children - who have just walked across the road via the crossing - to then negotiate the cycle lanes onto the seafront lawns. I have witnessed several near collisions - with cyclists doing 20-30mph in areas which are for the most part walking areas. You have to be aware of cyclists coming at speed from both directions - not easy for elderly residents who may well not be alert as younger persons. Yes there are motorists who break the speed limits (easy to do when so many roads are now 20mph zones). I think there are always inconsiderate people - the ones who park on double yellow lines, who double-park in narrow roads, who jump red traffic lights, who can't be bothered to walk to the shops - but park illegally outside them etc - but these pale into insignificance proportionately when you consider the vast number of cars on the road, compared to the number of cyclists. I am not against cycling - as I have cycled all round England and Wales in my younger days youth hostelling, but I always observed the highway code. In recent years I have been appalled at the behaviour of a large number of cyclists in the Brighton and Hove area.[/p][/quote]1. Just 2% of injuries to pedestrians on pavements are caused by cyclists whilst the remaining 98% are caused by motorists! 2. 75% of collisions between cyclists and pedestrians are on the road and caused by pedestrians stepping off the kerb without looking![/p][/quote]Interesting stats. In the middle of 2011 the Office for National Statistics stated that they didn't have specific statistics for deaths on and off the road/footway/pavemen t as that's not how they are recorded. This means that specific accidents on the pavement couldn't be identified at that time. What has changed?[/p][/quote]Reported in The Times 27 Jan 2014.[/p][/quote]I've just looked at the article. There is no mention of the source of statistics, just that a pro-cycling charity is spouting them. So where did they source them from? Any idea? This comment stood out as interesting though, I'm surprised you failed to mention it: "When serious injuries are measured as a proportion of distance travelled, cyclists injured 21 pedestrians per billion km travelled in 2012 compared with 24 pedestrians injured by drivers." As always, if everyone, however they travel, simply followed the Highway Code, we'd have far less injuries on the road. Instead we have to devise complicated and costly solutions to what should be relatively simple problems.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right about the proportionality BUT the fact remains that 75% of injuries caused to pedestrians by cyclists appear to be the fault of the pedestrian - and lets not forget that if the pedestrian is injured it is very likely that he/ she has injured the poor cyclist!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

12:00pm Wed 23 Apr 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Mr chock wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote:
moveoveru wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
WOW .. i see that a parking warden is reading the postings.. why cant this parking warden have put a ticket on a car if IF they saw it parked on a double yellow line .. odd is it a territorial thing ?? i only just discovered that if a bike is stolen in Brighton the police in Worthing / Eastbourne do not get a stolen bike list report passed on . and other crimes the police find out a little more on twitter SEE article on mans body found at industrial estate a few days back ..
It's not a territorial thing - it's a five minute thing with a plate glass window between the estate agent's desk and their illegally parked car. CCTV was hailed as the solution to curb such abuses. Eric Pickles intends to ban the use of CCTV for parking offences, but he must surely have to replace this with some enforcement that is behaviour related. All should be revealed next month.
[quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.[/p][/quote]WOW .. i see that a parking warden is reading the postings.. why cant this parking warden have put a ticket on a car if IF they saw it parked on a double yellow line .. odd is it a territorial thing ?? i only just discovered that if a bike is stolen in Brighton the police in Worthing / Eastbourne do not get a stolen bike list report passed on . and other crimes the police find out a little more on twitter SEE article on mans body found at industrial estate a few days back ..[/p][/quote]It's not a territorial thing - it's a five minute thing with a plate glass window between the estate agent's desk and their illegally parked car. CCTV was hailed as the solution to curb such abuses. Eric Pickles intends to ban the use of CCTV for parking offences, but he must surely have to replace this with some enforcement that is behaviour related. All should be revealed next month. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

12:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Very simple: Any party that proposes more motorist friendly approach to transport in Brighton will get my vote.
Very simple: Any party that proposes more motorist friendly approach to transport in Brighton will get my vote. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area.

You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.
I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city!

I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!!
I'd like the pavement outside my house to become a pavement again.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.[/p][/quote]No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area. You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.[/p][/quote]I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city! I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!![/p][/quote]I'd like the pavement outside my house to become a pavement again. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

4:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

theargusissoinformative says...

HJarrs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
HJarrs wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that!
Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.
No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area. You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.
I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city! I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!!
I always felt that the good people of Hanover were being charitable to the wider motoring fraternity for keeping on taking the stance that they have been against a CPZ. If ever I had to go into Brighton with friends/family, it was always the best choice for parking. Many thanks good people of Hanover.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: They could have made it more than £4 million if they came up Hanover more often. It's disgraceful the way some people park on street corners and pavements making crossing the road dangerous for pedestrians and forcing people to walk in the street around cars. Of course, Steve Percy will be very quiet about that![/p][/quote]Unfortunately Hanover is now pretty much the only island of free non-CPZ parking in the city. All other areas have succumbed and now all the cheapskates from those areas just leave their vehicles in Hanover to avoid paying for their own permits. Hanover residents cannot park in their own streets and many of those parked on corners etc work either at American Express or elsewhere in the city centre. This Green council has forced this situation upon Hanover. And you know it.[/p][/quote]No they didn't, they allowed the residents to vote, so it was the residents that voted against CPZ forced this situation on the area. You're right though about the commuter parking problem and people from CPZ areas storing their cars and campervans there though. Those that voted against the CPZ will probably regret their decision once the new Lewes road area CPZ kicks in.[/p][/quote]I voted against a CPZ in Hanover. It is always "blame the council" yet motorists happily play beggar your neighbour by demanding then voting for CPZs in order to park outside their houses. I don't have a problem with commuters parking outside my house. The same people asking for CPZs often complain about parking restrictions in other parts of the city! I am not bothered who is parking, I just want me, my family and my neighbours to be able to cross the road safely. For this reason I would now definitely vote for parking restrictions in my area. A CPZ may even be a vote winner!![/p][/quote]I always felt that the good people of Hanover were being charitable to the wider motoring fraternity for keeping on taking the stance that they have been against a CPZ. If ever I had to go into Brighton with friends/family, it was always the best choice for parking. Many thanks good people of Hanover. theargusissoinformative
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8:42pm Wed 23 Apr 14

tabman says...

However, Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said the cash should be used to benefit the lives of motorists and not spent on “cycle lanes and narrowing roads”.

He said: “At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all.

WHY SHOULD THE MONEY BE SPENT ON THE IDIOTS WHO BREAK THE LAW? TOO MANY CARS IN BRIGHTON.
However, Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said the cash should be used to benefit the lives of motorists and not spent on “cycle lanes and narrowing roads”. He said: “At the moment some of the money is going on cycle lanes, bus lanes and narrowing roads, which doesn’t benefit the motorist at all. WHY SHOULD THE MONEY BE SPENT ON THE IDIOTS WHO BREAK THE LAW? TOO MANY CARS IN BRIGHTON. tabman
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5:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

theargusissoinformative says...

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moveoveru wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.
I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.
Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps.
Just to confuse things, Eric Pickles published a consultation online which doesn't seem to see things the way that you or I would see them. The tone of the consultation was 'the motorist is always right, and councils are always greedy beggars' - no interest in any facts as such. He did half-heartedly ask whether any measures should be taken against anti-social behaviour, without offering a definition - I'm particularly interested to see if he considers this at all when he publishes the results of his consultation. We haven't too long to wait - these are going to be published just before the local elections next month.
I don't think some of you quite get the idea. Eric Pickles has his own game changer planned. He's not really interested in the 2015 elections at the moment, more the local elections next month that seem to be everywhere else other than Brighton and Hove. If I read his consultation right, he intends to modify the communication loop between councils and all road users. Debates are going to change accordingly. Less thumbs down please, and more watch this space.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moveoveru[/bold] wrote: There is a certain up market estate agents down church road that seem to somehow have a car parked outside on double yellow lines most of the day. The problem with Brighton is the inconsistency with ticketing. Western Road is rife for it. I see wardens simply ignoring cars parked on yellow lines yet they will ticket someone for being a few minutes over round the corner.[/p][/quote]I used to work as a Parking Warden and kept complaining to my bosses about exactly this. I was told 'you are more interested in what we can't do, than what we can do'.[/p][/quote]Interesting. It's been going on for years too. I wonder what is the reason. Surely the likes of blatant parking on lines just yards from the council office are easy picking for the wardens. A nod and a wink perhaps.[/p][/quote]Just to confuse things, Eric Pickles published a consultation online which doesn't seem to see things the way that you or I would see them. The tone of the consultation was 'the motorist is always right, and councils are always greedy beggars' - no interest in any facts as such. He did half-heartedly ask whether any measures should be taken against anti-social behaviour, without offering a definition - I'm particularly interested to see if he considers this at all when he publishes the results of his consultation. We haven't too long to wait - these are going to be published just before the local elections next month.[/p][/quote]I don't think some of you quite get the idea. Eric Pickles has his own game changer planned. He's not really interested in the 2015 elections at the moment, more the local elections next month that seem to be everywhere else other than Brighton and Hove. If I read his consultation right, he intends to modify the communication loop between councils and all road users. Debates are going to change accordingly. Less thumbs down please, and more watch this space. theargusissoinformative
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