Notorious Vogue gyratory revamp set to get go ahead

Notorious junction revamp set to get go ahead

Notorious junction revamp set to get go ahead

First published in News by , local government reporter

Councillors are set to approve plans to improve the safety of one of the city's most notorious junctions.

The Vogue gyratory in Lewes Road, Brighton, has been a cause of anxiety for motorists, cyclists and pedestrians for years because of its complicated layout and traffic signals.

Now, following years of consultation, work could begin on a £750,000 redevelopment of the road within months if councillors give the final go-ahead next week.

Among the improvements that will be put to Brighton and Hove City Council's environment, transport and sustainability committee will be the introduction of a simplified road layout and a new continuous northbound cycle lane through the current gyratory system.

The proposed plans also include a new northbound bus lane and a new “floating bus stop” at Sainsbury's with a larger bus shelter for passengers and a bike lane.

Similar schemes have already been introduced in the new Lewes Road bus lanes.

Research carried out by the council during the consultation found that most people travelling along Lewes Road do not use a car with 34,000 people a day either walking, cycling or using the bus compared with 26,000 motorists.

Because of the layout of the current system, the junction is notorious for serious traffic jams during peak times.

The council is hoping the improvements will further reduce the number of cars going through the junction by improving safety and making bus times faster and more reliable.

It is also hoped pedestrian and cycle safety will be improved with changes to kerb alignments at the entrance and exits to the gyratory to give cyclists and vehicles more space to manoeuvre while giving pedestrians priority over traffic coming from the Sainsbury's car park.

The plans also include improvements to the pedestrian crossing by simplifying the layout.

An original consultation in May 2012 found that 65% of residents supported improving the junction while the latest consultation produced just three objections from residents and businesses.

Ian Davey, the council's lead member for transport, said: “There's solid support for these measures and very little opposition.

"This junction is seen as unpleasant for pedestrians and off-putting for cyclists. It also delays buses, a particular problem, given that more journeys are made by bus along Lewes Road than are made by car.

"The measures will encourage use of public transport improving air quality, travel options and health.”

He added that similar changes made at Seven Dials have shown that improving road designs can have benefits.

If the plans are approved next week then work could begin as early as July.

Other changes

  • Simplified pedestrian crossings
  • Replacement traffic signals lionked to signals on Lewes Road
  • Advanced green phases for cyclists at traffic lights, providing a three-second head-start to reduce conflict.
  • Resurfacing of the road and new line markings
  • Review of signage and street furniture

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7:12am Wed 23 Apr 14

gazzamagoo says...

Yes that's an awful bit of road design and needs improving and of course with the Greens in charge how could they possibly make it worse...
Yes that's an awful bit of road design and needs improving and of course with the Greens in charge how could they possibly make it worse... gazzamagoo
  • Score: 41

7:19am Wed 23 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Davey and the word improve don't sit well in an article.
He helped create the Lewes Road system which turned residential communities into hideous rat runs and when we complained he turned Coombe Road into three lanes at its junction with Lewes Road as he knew people were using the area as a cut through.
Thanks to Davey we now have huge lorries trundling down residential streets.
The man doesn't give a hoot about local communities as long as he can attend a photoshoot to promote himself, but I guess when he can retreat to his posh home he can stick two fingers up to ordinary families.
Davey and the word improve don't sit well in an article. He helped create the Lewes Road system which turned residential communities into hideous rat runs and when we complained he turned Coombe Road into three lanes at its junction with Lewes Road as he knew people were using the area as a cut through. Thanks to Davey we now have huge lorries trundling down residential streets. The man doesn't give a hoot about local communities as long as he can attend a photoshoot to promote himself, but I guess when he can retreat to his posh home he can stick two fingers up to ordinary families. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 59

7:27am Wed 23 Apr 14

hoveguyactually says...

For anyone who does not know their way around, this is a real nightmare, not helped by a confusing system of lanes brought about by the Greens. Adding more bus lanes will only add to the confusion, and cause yet more congestion, as can be seen by all the other routes in and out of Brighton. Meanwhile, all the garbage coming form the mouths of the Greens about a healthy environment is a load of "hot air".
For anyone who does not know their way around, this is a real nightmare, not helped by a confusing system of lanes brought about by the Greens. Adding more bus lanes will only add to the confusion, and cause yet more congestion, as can be seen by all the other routes in and out of Brighton. Meanwhile, all the garbage coming form the mouths of the Greens about a healthy environment is a load of "hot air". hoveguyactually
  • Score: 51

7:41am Wed 23 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc ..
Good old greens ...time is running out!
34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc .. Good old greens ...time is running out! mark by the sea
  • Score: 53

8:00am Wed 23 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Oh look! We have the 3 objectors above!
Oh look! We have the 3 objectors above! HJarrs
  • Score: -64

8:10am Wed 23 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc ..
Good old greens ...time is running out!
There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver.

The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: 34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc .. Good old greens ...time is running out![/p][/quote]There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver. The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd. HJarrs
  • Score: -55

8:15am Wed 23 Apr 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Just looking forward to seeing Ian Davy's face when the gravy train runs out 5/5/15 for him and his poodle Pete West. West and Davy chamber pots available shortly at www.gzunder.com.
Just looking forward to seeing Ian Davy's face when the gravy train runs out 5/5/15 for him and his poodle Pete West. West and Davy chamber pots available shortly at www.gzunder.com. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 41

8:16am Wed 23 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

We should ban all cars from the City.
We should ban all cars from the City. NickBrt
  • Score: -67

9:06am Wed 23 Apr 14

Tallywhacker says...

HJarrs wrote:
Oh look! We have the 3 objectors above!
I'm surprised you noticed. Greens normally see a blank space when looking at a different view and hear blah blah blah when forced to listen to one.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Oh look! We have the 3 objectors above![/p][/quote]I'm surprised you noticed. Greens normally see a blank space when looking at a different view and hear blah blah blah when forced to listen to one. Tallywhacker
  • Score: 42

9:30am Wed 23 Apr 14

brightonaire says...

I used to think the Greens were wrong with their anti-car policies but now I fully agree with them and wish they'd go further while they still can...... make life harder for the fat, lone car drivers... make them walk or cycle....... do them good
I used to think the Greens were wrong with their anti-car policies but now I fully agree with them and wish they'd go further while they still can...... make life harder for the fat, lone car drivers... make them walk or cycle....... do them good brightonaire
  • Score: -45

9:56am Wed 23 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

NickBrt wrote:
We should ban all cars from the City.
Ooh nice one. Let's just shut the whole city down then. Get all the tourists and day trippers to cycle down from London and elsewhere. Every weekend will be like the Bike Ride. Train operators won't allow them on trains to go back home so they won't bother coming in the first place. Have you ever tried getting a coach or bus to Brighton from far away? Takes hours and hours. I suppose the visitor might get half an hour in the town before having to catch the bus back. Long live the economy of Brighton and Hove. Get real.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: We should ban all cars from the City.[/p][/quote]Ooh nice one. Let's just shut the whole city down then. Get all the tourists and day trippers to cycle down from London and elsewhere. Every weekend will be like the Bike Ride. Train operators won't allow them on trains to go back home so they won't bother coming in the first place. Have you ever tried getting a coach or bus to Brighton from far away? Takes hours and hours. I suppose the visitor might get half an hour in the town before having to catch the bus back. Long live the economy of Brighton and Hove. Get real. Max Ripple
  • Score: 41

10:08am Wed 23 Apr 14

paddytag says...

Seven Dials is one million times better now.
Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.
Seven Dials is one million times better now. Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue. paddytag
  • Score: -15

10:14am Wed 23 Apr 14

Zorniza says...

More busses but not cheaper fares. Who can afford to go on a bus? Any councillors?
More busses but not cheaper fares. Who can afford to go on a bus? Any councillors? Zorniza
  • Score: 31

10:29am Wed 23 Apr 14

cookie_brighton says...

HJarrs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc ..
Good old greens ...time is running out!
There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver.

The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd.
ERRRR...............
you say it will increase the levels of cycling along the Lewes Road...with 351 students moving into the old co-op building in London Road anyone could see this increase in cycling.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: 34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc .. Good old greens ...time is running out![/p][/quote]There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver. The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd.[/p][/quote]ERRRR............... you say it will increase the levels of cycling along the Lewes Road...with 351 students moving into the old co-op building in London Road anyone could see this increase in cycling. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 20

10:43am Wed 23 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

paddytag wrote:
Seven Dials is one million times better now.
Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.
no its not you still have fools just walking out and not using the crossings
[quote][p][bold]paddytag[/bold] wrote: Seven Dials is one million times better now. Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.[/p][/quote]no its not you still have fools just walking out and not using the crossings whatevernext2013
  • Score: 13

11:17am Wed 23 Apr 14

D5 says...

paddytag wrote:
Seven Dials is one million times better now.
Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.
nobody seems to mention how good this is now.

Yet when it was proposed, all the natural UKIP supporters - white males - come out with outrageous claims that simply didnt materialise.

Same with the gyratory.

same with the lewes road bus lanes which are excellent.

Same with all the anti immigration rubbish etc

Little englanders go away -everyone else- happy st georges day.
[quote][p][bold]paddytag[/bold] wrote: Seven Dials is one million times better now. Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.[/p][/quote]nobody seems to mention how good this is now. Yet when it was proposed, all the natural UKIP supporters - white males - come out with outrageous claims that simply didnt materialise. Same with the gyratory. same with the lewes road bus lanes which are excellent. Same with all the anti immigration rubbish etc Little englanders go away -everyone else- happy st georges day. D5
  • Score: -26

11:19am Wed 23 Apr 14

J Hill says...

Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.
Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me. J Hill
  • Score: 31

11:34am Wed 23 Apr 14

paul76 says...

How is it difficult to navigate? It is just a roundabout with traffic lights at the end of the day.
How is it difficult to navigate? It is just a roundabout with traffic lights at the end of the day. paul76
  • Score: 20

12:14pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

If The Romans could see The Gyratory they'd probably admire it's chaotic danger element. It's always a pain in the A to navigate by car and I've only ever tried to go through once or twice by bike before deciding it's a no go zone on two wheels. Cars aren't looking out for bikes because there's too much going on with the other cars around them jostling for position.

The new proposals look pretty good and it'll be a much safer and less hairy place to cycle through, so bring it on.
If The Romans could see The Gyratory they'd probably admire it's chaotic danger element. It's always a pain in the A to navigate by car and I've only ever tried to go through once or twice by bike before deciding it's a no go zone on two wheels. Cars aren't looking out for bikes because there's too much going on with the other cars around them jostling for position. The new proposals look pretty good and it'll be a much safer and less hairy place to cycle through, so bring it on. Gribbet
  • Score: -22

12:30pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mark63 says...

yet again a cycle lane becomes a danger zone with traffic having to cross it to exit the roundabout system. Bikes should have to stop at their own lights at such junctions.
yet again a cycle lane becomes a danger zone with traffic having to cross it to exit the roundabout system. Bikes should have to stop at their own lights at such junctions. Mark63
  • Score: 20

12:47pm Wed 23 Apr 14

qm says...

gazzamagoo wrote:
Yes that's an awful bit of road design and needs improving and of course with the Greens in charge how could they possibly make it worse...
I hope that wasn't a serious question . . . . if it's possible to make it worse, only they could do it!
[quote][p][bold]gazzamagoo[/bold] wrote: Yes that's an awful bit of road design and needs improving and of course with the Greens in charge how could they possibly make it worse...[/p][/quote]I hope that wasn't a serious question . . . . if it's possible to make it worse, only they could do it! qm
  • Score: 18

12:58pm Wed 23 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

HJarrs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc ..
Good old greens ...time is running out!
There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver.

The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd.
your a cyclist that's for shore why ells would you support the green ****
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: 34000 travel by bus, bike or foot, 26000 by car, is that 26000 cars a day? Or does that mean drivers and passengers? If we were to average 2 to a vehcle then that would be 52000 by car or van? I can't see how the council know how many travel in cars, ie school runs, university runs etc .. Good old greens ...time is running out![/p][/quote]There is a report on the council website showing it is numbers of people i.e. most people do not travel by car down the Lewes Rd. Last year, a similar number of people travelled down the Lewes Road as in the previous year, but there has been a move to bus and bike. I recall the average car loading being around 1.4, most large steel boxes containing just a driver. The vogue Gyratory is long overdue a revamp. Sadly, there is not the money to knock down the lot and start again, so it will always be a compromise. However, I am confident that it will spur on already increasing levels of cycling along the Lewes Rd.[/p][/quote]your a cyclist that's for shore why ells would you support the green **** wippasnapper
  • Score: 14

1:17pm Wed 23 Apr 14

FatherTed11 says...

A floating bus lane and cycle traffic lights?? Now I've heard it all.

Banning bikes from that 'notorious' road would solve most of the problems they cause.

Follow basic driving laws and there would be no problem,
A floating bus lane and cycle traffic lights?? Now I've heard it all. Banning bikes from that 'notorious' road would solve most of the problems they cause. Follow basic driving laws and there would be no problem, FatherTed11
  • Score: 24

1:24pm Wed 23 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

NickBrt wrote:
We should ban all cars from the City.
We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians!
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: We should ban all cars from the City.[/p][/quote]We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians! wippasnapper
  • Score: 25

1:29pm Wed 23 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

Zorniza wrote:
More busses but not cheaper fares. Who can afford to go on a bus? Any councillors?
O’ they can we pay them a lot of money to **** up B&H road systems
[quote][p][bold]Zorniza[/bold] wrote: More busses but not cheaper fares. Who can afford to go on a bus? Any councillors?[/p][/quote]O’ they can we pay them a lot of money to **** up B&H road systems wippasnapper
  • Score: 10

1:38pm Wed 23 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

J Hill wrote:
Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.
A “floating bus stop” is as they are along the Lewes road i.e. stepped out from the pavement to allow cyclists to ride unhindered between the floating bus stop and the pavement I say unhindered because they expect you to get out of there way if your crossing to get to or from the unhindered floating bus stop i.e. they think they have the rite of way as with RED lights they feel they do not have to stop.
[quote][p][bold]J Hill[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.[/p][/quote]A “floating bus stop” is as they are along the Lewes road i.e. stepped out from the pavement to allow cyclists to ride unhindered between the floating bus stop and the pavement I say unhindered because they expect you to get out of there way if your crossing to get to or from the unhindered floating bus stop i.e. they think they have the rite of way as with RED lights they feel they do not have to stop. wippasnapper
  • Score: 18

2:12pm Wed 23 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

Amazing so many in support of the new GREEN road layout, or should I say what appears to be cyclist support, now lets see when it was first built there was no consultation and many have said over the years that the exit from Sainsbury's should have been on the Hollingdean Rd ever way it was a c*cked up disaster many years ago and no amount of alteration is ever going to make it better for any road user or Pedestrians as cyclist will always ride on the pavement regardless of what the law states and Pedestrians will always step out into the road regardless of cyclist and cars, Ian Davey and the rest of his band of fruit n nuts have no clue about road safety as they are always so happily going on about in every report they produce it states “Better safety for the cyclist and Pedestrians” Note cyclist always comes first on there list of safety they have to state Pedestrians to get the funding they need from government regardless of the fact that cyclist are firmly within there sites take for instants there proposals for a pathway along the side of the Ditchling Rd Cyclists first walkers (Pedestrians) second but no mention of anyone with mobility needs i.e. if your not a cyclist your not included in there plains simple as that.
Amazing so many in support of the new GREEN road layout, or should I say what appears to be cyclist support, now lets see when it was first built there was no consultation and many have said over the years that the exit from Sainsbury's should have been on the Hollingdean Rd ever way it was a c*cked up disaster many years ago and no amount of alteration is ever going to make it better for any road user or Pedestrians as cyclist will always ride on the pavement regardless of what the law states and Pedestrians will always step out into the road regardless of cyclist and cars, Ian Davey and the rest of his band of fruit n nuts have no clue about road safety as they are always so happily going on about in every report they produce it states “Better safety for the cyclist and Pedestrians” Note cyclist always comes first on there list of safety they have to state Pedestrians to get the funding they need from government regardless of the fact that cyclist are firmly within there sites take for instants there proposals for a pathway along the side of the Ditchling Rd Cyclists first walkers (Pedestrians) second but no mention of anyone with mobility needs i.e. if your not a cyclist your not included in there plains simple as that. wippasnapper
  • Score: 13

2:34pm Wed 23 Apr 14

mruno says...

First thing they should do is block of the Sainsbury's car park entry/exits, and position these at the back of the supermarket, absolute nightmare when trying to walk past.
First thing they should do is block of the Sainsbury's car park entry/exits, and position these at the back of the supermarket, absolute nightmare when trying to walk past. mruno
  • Score: 21

2:46pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Minion says...

"....and a new continuous northbound cycle lane "

Lol.
"....and a new continuous northbound cycle lane " Lol. Minion
  • Score: 10

3:00pm Wed 23 Apr 14

qm says...

Minion wrote:
"....and a new continuous northbound cycle lane "

Lol.
to Greenland ;)
[quote][p][bold]Minion[/bold] wrote: "....and a new continuous northbound cycle lane " Lol.[/p][/quote]to Greenland ;) qm
  • Score: 8

3:01pm Wed 23 Apr 14

power_ranger says...

The best solution to this issue is to move somewhere else where the motorist isn't an afterthought.

I've got my eye on Bournemouth.
The best solution to this issue is to move somewhere else where the motorist isn't an afterthought. I've got my eye on Bournemouth. power_ranger
  • Score: 12

3:03pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing so many in support of the new GREEN road layout, or should I say what appears to be cyclist support, now lets see when it was first built there was no consultation and many have said over the years that the exit from Sainsbury's should have been on the Hollingdean Rd ever way it was a c*cked up disaster many years ago and no amount of alteration is ever going to make it better for any road user or Pedestrians as cyclist will always ride on the pavement regardless of what the law states and Pedestrians will always step out into the road regardless of cyclist and cars, Ian Davey and the rest of his band of fruit n nuts have no clue about road safety as they are always so happily going on about in every report they produce it states “Better safety for the cyclist and Pedestrians” Note cyclist always comes first on there list of safety they have to state Pedestrians to get the funding they need from government regardless of the fact that cyclist are firmly within there sites take for instants there proposals for a pathway along the side of the Ditchling Rd Cyclists first walkers (Pedestrians) second but no mention of anyone with mobility needs i.e. if your not a cyclist your not included in there plains simple as that.
That's the biggest sentence I've ever seen.

BTW, just because one word comes before another in a sentence, it doesn't mean they're being listed in order of importance.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing so many in support of the new GREEN road layout, or should I say what appears to be cyclist support, now lets see when it was first built there was no consultation and many have said over the years that the exit from Sainsbury's should have been on the Hollingdean Rd ever way it was a c*cked up disaster many years ago and no amount of alteration is ever going to make it better for any road user or Pedestrians as cyclist will always ride on the pavement regardless of what the law states and Pedestrians will always step out into the road regardless of cyclist and cars, Ian Davey and the rest of his band of fruit n nuts have no clue about road safety as they are always so happily going on about in every report they produce it states “Better safety for the cyclist and Pedestrians” Note cyclist always comes first on there list of safety they have to state Pedestrians to get the funding they need from government regardless of the fact that cyclist are firmly within there sites take for instants there proposals for a pathway along the side of the Ditchling Rd Cyclists first walkers (Pedestrians) second but no mention of anyone with mobility needs i.e. if your not a cyclist your not included in there plains simple as that.[/p][/quote]That's the biggest sentence I've ever seen. BTW, just because one word comes before another in a sentence, it doesn't mean they're being listed in order of importance. Gribbet
  • Score: -5

3:16pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

power_ranger wrote:
The best solution to this issue is to move somewhere else where the motorist isn't an afterthought.

I've got my eye on Bournemouth.
If driving is the thing that makes you happy, I reckon you'd be best off in either Milton Keynes, Bracknell or Swindon.
[quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: The best solution to this issue is to move somewhere else where the motorist isn't an afterthought. I've got my eye on Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]If driving is the thing that makes you happy, I reckon you'd be best off in either Milton Keynes, Bracknell or Swindon. Gribbet
  • Score: -14

4:04pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ButtNuggets says...

Provide a link to these plans!! Nobody can ready that map.
Provide a link to these plans!! Nobody can ready that map. ButtNuggets
  • Score: 11

4:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ButtNuggets says...

ButtNuggets wrote:
Provide a link to these plans!! Nobody can ready that map.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/resources/imag
es/2986710.jpg
[quote][p][bold]ButtNuggets[/bold] wrote: Provide a link to these plans!! Nobody can ready that map.[/p][/quote]http://www.theargus. co.uk/resources/imag es/2986710.jpg ButtNuggets
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Sir Prised says...

The reason the number of cars is going down is because the Council are making it impossible to either drive or park once in the centre. So of course more than ever people are driving to surrounding towns or buying online . If you want the centre reduced to a coffee-shop and cafe culture, fari enough? Of course the reall issue is population but let's accept inceasingly being treated as cattle eh so we can jam ever more into the place.!
The reason the number of cars is going down is because the Council are making it impossible to either drive or park once in the centre. So of course more than ever people are driving to surrounding towns or buying online . If you want the centre reduced to a coffee-shop and cafe culture, fari enough? Of course the reall issue is population but let's accept inceasingly being treated as cattle eh so we can jam ever more into the place.! Sir Prised
  • Score: 12

5:24pm Wed 23 Apr 14

nemenator says...

The cunning Green Plan is laid bare: prioritise cyclists with their own lanes and traffic lights thus reducing road width and traffic speeds. Then lo and behold there are fewer cars, so just ban them entirely. Rapture.
The cunning Green Plan is laid bare: prioritise cyclists with their own lanes and traffic lights thus reducing road width and traffic speeds. Then lo and behold there are fewer cars, so just ban them entirely. Rapture. nemenator
  • Score: 7

6:23pm Wed 23 Apr 14

her professional says...

J Hill wrote:
Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.
" you can fit more people in a bus than a car". Erm, that's sort of the point, J Hill, so guess what.....more people moved from a to b in fewer vehicles, who'd have thought it.
[quote][p][bold]J Hill[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.[/p][/quote]" you can fit more people in a bus than a car". Erm, that's sort of the point, J Hill, so guess what.....more people moved from a to b in fewer vehicles, who'd have thought it. her professional
  • Score: -6

7:14pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Rule-No.5 says...

I travel by most forms of transport in Brighton - car, taxi, bus, and by bike... but call me a 'Cyclist' if it makes you feel better about disliking my comment that I'm about to make. This junction is an absolute nightmare for anyone and everyone. I hate driving round it. I travel to work through this junction most days by bike and its horrendous - I feel that one day I'm going to be killed. I don't blame this on other people's poor driving. It's just a terrible, confusing, and busy junction. I really do feel like I'll be killed one day which is obviously bad for me but won't be nice for whichever driver it is either. The plan shown above in this article will massively, massively improve the safety of cyclists. I work in a hospital, I'm not a bad person (as most people commenting in the Argus seem to think cyclists are) - I just want to get to work safely. I can't wait for these improvements to be made to the giratory.
I travel by most forms of transport in Brighton - car, taxi, bus, and by bike... but call me a 'Cyclist' if it makes you feel better about disliking my comment that I'm about to make. This junction is an absolute nightmare for anyone and everyone. I hate driving round it. I travel to work through this junction most days by bike and its horrendous - I feel that one day I'm going to be killed. I don't blame this on other people's poor driving. It's just a terrible, confusing, and busy junction. I really do feel like I'll be killed one day which is obviously bad for me but won't be nice for whichever driver it is either. The plan shown above in this article will massively, massively improve the safety of cyclists. I work in a hospital, I'm not a bad person (as most people commenting in the Argus seem to think cyclists are) - I just want to get to work safely. I can't wait for these improvements to be made to the giratory. Rule-No.5
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Lewes Road has seen a 40 per cent increase in taxi use according to the council since the new scheme has been introduced.
So that's an increase in vehicle use.
The council has not explained this cause of this phenomenon. It has also failed to explain why it has attempted to reduce vehicle use yet has announced support for student homes on the Preston Barracks site with 500 parking spaces for the kids.
Bizarre.
The Lewes Road has seen a 40 per cent increase in taxi use according to the council since the new scheme has been introduced. So that's an increase in vehicle use. The council has not explained this cause of this phenomenon. It has also failed to explain why it has attempted to reduce vehicle use yet has announced support for student homes on the Preston Barracks site with 500 parking spaces for the kids. Bizarre. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 10

7:52pm Wed 23 Apr 14

J Hill says...

her professional wrote:
J Hill wrote:
Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.
" you can fit more people in a bus than a car". Erm, that's sort of the point, J Hill, so guess what.....more people moved from a to b in fewer vehicles, who'd have thought it.
No that's not the point I was making as you quoted me out of context. The point I was trying to make was that the council are counting things by numbers of people and not by vehicles trying to make out that less cars use the Lewes road each day which is utter and complete tosh. All you have to do is stand at the side of Lewes Road and watch for yourself to see just how many private cars travel up and down it opposed to public transport. You do not need rocket science to see that what the council are saying is not true. A good 50% of the buses using the Lewes Rd are half empty anyway.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J Hill[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish. Lewes road is busy with cars in both directions with the odd bus thrown in. Absolute unsubstantiated nonsense from the council once again juggling figures to meet their needs. Obviously more people travel by bus each day as you can fit more people in a bus than you can with a car but that doesn't mean there are more buses on the road than cars! They are obsessed with bike and bus lanes. And what the hell is a “floating bus stop”? Sounds dangerous to me.[/p][/quote]" you can fit more people in a bus than a car". Erm, that's sort of the point, J Hill, so guess what.....more people moved from a to b in fewer vehicles, who'd have thought it.[/p][/quote]No that's not the point I was making as you quoted me out of context. The point I was trying to make was that the council are counting things by numbers of people and not by vehicles trying to make out that less cars use the Lewes road each day which is utter and complete tosh. All you have to do is stand at the side of Lewes Road and watch for yourself to see just how many private cars travel up and down it opposed to public transport. You do not need rocket science to see that what the council are saying is not true. A good 50% of the buses using the Lewes Rd are half empty anyway. J Hill
  • Score: 7

8:50pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Mr chock says...

paddytag wrote:
Seven Dials is one million times better now.
Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.
YES a bigger NON round roundabout is working nicely at the Dials .. and the tree was not removed as per the plans of the area.. ..one small question about this project at the dials did Steve Percy, of the People's Parking Protest, approve .. is that Peoples parking protest group still meet up at his old shop ?
[quote][p][bold]paddytag[/bold] wrote: Seven Dials is one million times better now. Let's hope for similar improvement to vogue.[/p][/quote]YES a bigger NON round roundabout is working nicely at the Dials .. and the tree was not removed as per the plans of the area.. ..one small question about this project at the dials did Steve Percy, of the People's Parking Protest, approve .. is that Peoples parking protest group still meet up at his old shop ? Mr chock
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Wed 23 Apr 14

happy1972 says...

Another huge waste of our council tax, the sooner these jokers are out the better!
Another huge waste of our council tax, the sooner these jokers are out the better! happy1972
  • Score: 6

11:49pm Wed 23 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Sir Prised wrote:
The reason the number of cars is going down is because the Council are making it impossible to either drive or park once in the centre. So of course more than ever people are driving to surrounding towns or buying online . If you want the centre reduced to a coffee-shop and cafe culture, fari enough? Of course the reall issue is population but let's accept inceasingly being treated as cattle eh so we can jam ever more into the place.!
they are also using woodingdean to cut out driving on the lewes road ,so all the council has done is move traffic to another area
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: The reason the number of cars is going down is because the Council are making it impossible to either drive or park once in the centre. So of course more than ever people are driving to surrounding towns or buying online . If you want the centre reduced to a coffee-shop and cafe culture, fari enough? Of course the reall issue is population but let's accept inceasingly being treated as cattle eh so we can jam ever more into the place.![/p][/quote]they are also using woodingdean to cut out driving on the lewes road ,so all the council has done is move traffic to another area whatevernext2013
  • Score: 8

11:54pm Wed 23 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

wippasnapper wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
We should ban all cars from the City.
We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians!
that is a good start but what about a bike safety check every year the same as an MOT on cars ,and third party insurance for when the hit and damage cars or pedestrians
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: We should ban all cars from the City.[/p][/quote]We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians![/p][/quote]that is a good start but what about a bike safety check every year the same as an MOT on cars ,and third party insurance for when the hit and damage cars or pedestrians whatevernext2013
  • Score: 5

1:42am Thu 24 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

Rule-No.5 wrote:
I travel by most forms of transport in Brighton - car, taxi, bus, and by bike... but call me a 'Cyclist' if it makes you feel better about disliking my comment that I'm about to make. This junction is an absolute nightmare for anyone and everyone. I hate driving round it. I travel to work through this junction most days by bike and its horrendous - I feel that one day I'm going to be killed. I don't blame this on other people's poor driving. It's just a terrible, confusing, and busy junction. I really do feel like I'll be killed one day which is obviously bad for me but won't be nice for whichever driver it is either. The plan shown above in this article will massively, massively improve the safety of cyclists. I work in a hospital, I'm not a bad person (as most people commenting in the Argus seem to think cyclists are) - I just want to get to work safely. I can't wait for these improvements to be made to the giratory.
Exactly my thoughts too.
[quote][p][bold]Rule-No.5[/bold] wrote: I travel by most forms of transport in Brighton - car, taxi, bus, and by bike... but call me a 'Cyclist' if it makes you feel better about disliking my comment that I'm about to make. This junction is an absolute nightmare for anyone and everyone. I hate driving round it. I travel to work through this junction most days by bike and its horrendous - I feel that one day I'm going to be killed. I don't blame this on other people's poor driving. It's just a terrible, confusing, and busy junction. I really do feel like I'll be killed one day which is obviously bad for me but won't be nice for whichever driver it is either. The plan shown above in this article will massively, massively improve the safety of cyclists. I work in a hospital, I'm not a bad person (as most people commenting in the Argus seem to think cyclists are) - I just want to get to work safely. I can't wait for these improvements to be made to the giratory.[/p][/quote]Exactly my thoughts too. Gribbet
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Thu 24 Apr 14

gheese77 says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
We should ban all cars from the City.
We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians!
that is a good start but what about a bike safety check every year the same as an MOT on cars ,and third party insurance for when the hit and damage cars or pedestrians
What about pushchairs then ! Last week on western road I watched in horror as a pensioner had their foot run over by a careless mum pushing a pram. All prams / pushchairs need to be licensed, insured and the parent pass some kind of pushchair proficiency test.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: We should ban all cars from the City.[/p][/quote]We should make it legal that all cyclists pass an exam before being allowed on the roads like all road users have to do then maybe the roads would be safer for all including the Pedestrians![/p][/quote]that is a good start but what about a bike safety check every year the same as an MOT on cars ,and third party insurance for when the hit and damage cars or pedestrians[/p][/quote]What about pushchairs then ! Last week on western road I watched in horror as a pensioner had their foot run over by a careless mum pushing a pram. All prams / pushchairs need to be licensed, insured and the parent pass some kind of pushchair proficiency test. gheese77
  • Score: 1

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