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Green council accused of allowing recycling rates to plummet

The Argus: Green council accused of allowing recycling rates to plummet Green council accused of allowing recycling rates to plummet

Brighton and Hove’s Green council has been accused of allowing recycling rates to plummet.

The amount of waste now being recycled or composted in the city has fallen to 25% according to latest figures, down from 26.4% last year and far below the 30% rate from 2008/09.

Opposition parties used the statistics to accuse the Green majority of failing in its promise to make Brighton and Hove the greenest city in the country.

In an attempt to stem the “faltering” rates, councillors are due to approve a new Recycling Incentive Scheme next week, in which more money will be added to a community fund if recycling rates rise.

The council is considering adding £15 to the fund for every additional tonne of recycling that is collected – the equivalent of £16,000 if the rate increased by 1%.

At the end of the year community groups would then bid for the money, with grants of between £1,000 and £5,000 available.

Councillor Ollie Sykes, deputy chairman of the council’s environment, transport and sustainability committee, said: “There is no doubt that recy- cling rates in the city have fal- tered over the years, but there is also huge potential in the city for improvement.

“The proposed incentive scheme would see communities reaping the benefits of their efforts and, when combined with the introduction of communal recycling bins, could well see recycling rates soar.”

The council’s recycling rate is low compared to Bristol, Cheltenham and Bournemouth, which all exceed 40%.

Other schemes have already been introduced to try to bring the city’s rates up to scratch, like communal recycling.

Tony Janio, Conservative group spokesman for the environment, said: “When we were in power we got the recycling rates up. We just focused on common sense solutions to everyday problems and not so many gimmicks.

“I think the Greens try to promise too much and fail to deliver.”

He also accused Labour of failing to offer alternative solutions and said they had failed to support efforts on the environment.

Labour’s Gill Mitchell said: “However hard the Greens try to put a spin on this, they cannot get away from the fact that recycling rates have plummeted since they took office in 2011.”

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8:50am Thu 24 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful.

If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling.

Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.
This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful. If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling. Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems. Quiterie
  • Score: 72

8:54am Thu 24 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

Recycling Incentive Scheme?

So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.
Recycling Incentive Scheme? So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis. cynic_the
  • Score: 50

8:57am Thu 24 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

cynic_the wrote:
Recycling Incentive Scheme?

So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.
There's extra irony points on offer for spelling the word genius wrongly. Winner! : )
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Recycling Incentive Scheme? So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.[/p][/quote]There's extra irony points on offer for spelling the word genius wrongly. Winner! : ) cynic_the
  • Score: -10

9:00am Thu 24 Apr 14

s&k says...

Interesting, given the fact the Greens pushed through the opening hours of the Waste Transfer / Material Recovery Facility in Hollingdean to almost 24/7 despite residents' objections on the assumption this would allow more recycling. And still the recycling rates fall. Let's close the facility and give the residents some respite from the smell and noise.
Interesting, given the fact the Greens pushed through the opening hours of the Waste Transfer / Material Recovery Facility in Hollingdean to almost 24/7 despite residents' objections on the assumption this would allow more recycling. And still the recycling rates fall. Let's close the facility and give the residents some respite from the smell and noise. s&k
  • Score: 34

9:08am Thu 24 Apr 14

fred clause says...

Greens in failing shocker who'd a thunk it.
Greens in failing shocker who'd a thunk it. fred clause
  • Score: 35

9:14am Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBtn says...

The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities.

The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas:
- make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up
- allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken
- collect tetra
- re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin
- consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?
The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities. The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas: - make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up - allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken - collect tetra - re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin - consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity? NickBtn
  • Score: 51

9:18am Thu 24 Apr 14

Eugenius says...

cynic_the wrote:
Recycling Incentive Scheme?

So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.
The incentive scheme would be self-funding - the council saves £56 for every extra tonne of recycling so a portion of that will be ringfenced for the community investment fund.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Recycling Incentive Scheme? So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.[/p][/quote]The incentive scheme would be self-funding - the council saves £56 for every extra tonne of recycling so a portion of that will be ringfenced for the community investment fund. Eugenius
  • Score: -32

9:28am Thu 24 Apr 14

Eugenius says...

NickBtn wrote:
The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities.

The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas:
- make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up
- allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken
- collect tetra
- re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin
- consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?
The main initiative is the introduction of communal recycling. Most of the decrease in the recycling rates occurred in the previous term 2007-11 and it is just possible that the introduction of communal bins had something to do with it.

When the new administration piloted communal recycling in Brunswick & Adelaide ward in 2012 recycling improved by 70% so this is now being rolled-out across the city to replace black box collection.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities. The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas: - make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up - allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken - collect tetra - re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin - consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?[/p][/quote]The main initiative is the introduction of communal recycling. Most of the decrease in the recycling rates occurred in the previous term 2007-11 and it is just possible that the introduction of communal bins had something to do with it. When the new administration piloted communal recycling in Brunswick & Adelaide ward in 2012 recycling improved by 70% so this is now being rolled-out across the city to replace black box collection. Eugenius
  • Score: -48

9:30am Thu 24 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

Eugenius wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
Recycling Incentive Scheme?

So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.
The incentive scheme would be self-funding - the council saves £56 for every extra tonne of recycling so a portion of that will be ringfenced for the community investment fund.
Even better:

"recycle more and we'll spend 27% of the money we save on you".

What happens to the rest? Smoke and mirrors....
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Recycling Incentive Scheme? So.... "recycle more and we'll spend some of your council tax on you". Genuis.[/p][/quote]The incentive scheme would be self-funding - the council saves £56 for every extra tonne of recycling so a portion of that will be ringfenced for the community investment fund.[/p][/quote]Even better: "recycle more and we'll spend 27% of the money we save on you". What happens to the rest? Smoke and mirrors.... cynic_the
  • Score: 36

9:32am Thu 24 Apr 14

pachallis says...

What the greens have forgotten is WIIFM - What's In It For Me!

They focus on minorities and keep on spending money on various vanity projects that don't provide any real benefits for rate payers/voters.

In fact they make it worse for the majority - 20 mph zones, cycle lanes, traffic congestion, more expensive parking, bus fares increasing at above inflation, more pollution, increasing rates every year above inflation, encouraging travelers, and best-of-all screwing up rubbish and recycling collections.

I can understand people hearing a plea from this incompetent green 'led' council and saying ' why should I bother?'. In fact recycling less could well be a protest vote to provide another 'nail in the coffin'.

If the council could increase recycling rates leading to a lowering of rates then maybe there could be more support. Otherwise why should I bother?

The self-righteous green councilors seem to think that now they are in 'power' they can dictate to the residents on what to do and how to behave. They need to learn about WIIFM!

How about if the refuse/recycling workers provided a better service to residents by taking furniture and garden refuse as well at no cost in return for raising recycling rates?
What the greens have forgotten is WIIFM - What's In It For Me! They focus on minorities and keep on spending money on various vanity projects that don't provide any real benefits for rate payers/voters. In fact they make it worse for the majority - 20 mph zones, cycle lanes, traffic congestion, more expensive parking, bus fares increasing at above inflation, more pollution, increasing rates every year above inflation, encouraging travelers, and best-of-all screwing up rubbish and recycling collections. I can understand people hearing a plea from this incompetent green 'led' council and saying ' why should I bother?'. In fact recycling less could well be a protest vote to provide another 'nail in the coffin'. If the council could increase recycling rates leading to a lowering of rates then maybe there could be more support. Otherwise why should I bother? The self-righteous green councilors seem to think that now they are in 'power' they can dictate to the residents on what to do and how to behave. They need to learn about WIIFM! How about if the refuse/recycling workers provided a better service to residents by taking furniture and garden refuse as well at no cost in return for raising recycling rates? pachallis
  • Score: 40

9:40am Thu 24 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

Eugenius wrote:
NickBtn wrote:
The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities.

The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas:
- make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up
- allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken
- collect tetra
- re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin
- consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?
The main initiative is the introduction of communal recycling. Most of the decrease in the recycling rates occurred in the previous term 2007-11 and it is just possible that the introduction of communal bins had something to do with it.

When the new administration piloted communal recycling in Brunswick & Adelaide ward in 2012 recycling improved by 70% so this is now being rolled-out across the city to replace black box collection.
I recycle less since the introduction of communal bins, because:

A, the Mixed recycling bins are usually full to bursting, with a very inviting, half-empty normal waste bin next to them,

and B, we have not been provided with a Glass recycling bin on my street - I can hardly strap all my glass bottles to my bicycle now can I?

Progress?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities. The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas: - make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up - allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken - collect tetra - re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin - consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?[/p][/quote]The main initiative is the introduction of communal recycling. Most of the decrease in the recycling rates occurred in the previous term 2007-11 and it is just possible that the introduction of communal bins had something to do with it. When the new administration piloted communal recycling in Brunswick & Adelaide ward in 2012 recycling improved by 70% so this is now being rolled-out across the city to replace black box collection.[/p][/quote]I recycle less since the introduction of communal bins, because: A, the Mixed recycling bins are usually full to bursting, with a very inviting, half-empty normal waste bin next to them, and B, we have not been provided with a Glass recycling bin on my street - I can hardly strap all my glass bottles to my bicycle now can I? Progress? cynic_the
  • Score: 34

9:44am Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

Hjarrs for whom the greens can do no wrong is strangely silent I notice.
Hjarrs for whom the greens can do no wrong is strangely silent I notice. NickBrt
  • Score: 31

9:55am Thu 24 Apr 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Green in name only, in reality incompetent blithering idiots
Green in name only, in reality incompetent blithering idiots Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 32

9:58am Thu 24 Apr 14

maria m says...

Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes. maria m
  • Score: 30

10:07am Thu 24 Apr 14

Eugenius says...

maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
[quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy. Eugenius
  • Score: -37

10:13am Thu 24 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
@Eugenius - except that neighboring councils seem to provide multiple wheely bins; did not want to have 5% rate increases to pay for vanity projects; and don't seem to be whinging as much as the greens are about having to make savings.

If only the greens would concentrate on the jobs they are paid to do as a minority led council and each of the councilors stopped trying to get their own pet projects introduced,
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - except that neighboring councils seem to provide multiple wheely bins; did not want to have 5% rate increases to pay for vanity projects; and don't seem to be whinging as much as the greens are about having to make savings. If only the greens would concentrate on the jobs they are paid to do as a minority led council and each of the councilors stopped trying to get their own pet projects introduced, pachallis
  • Score: 40

10:13am Thu 24 Apr 14

Martha Gunn says...

Scarcely believable.
This is where One Planet Greenspeak gets you.
Lucas and her acolytes have created a midden in our midst.
Scarcely believable. This is where One Planet Greenspeak gets you. Lucas and her acolytes have created a midden in our midst. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 38

10:17am Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBtn says...

Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
These costs apply to all councils. Yet in most recycling is going up and comparable cities are achieving double. I'm afraid it's down to poor ideas/planning (why not ask residents and those that work for cityclean?). There is a budget which looks like it is going to be used on something that has very little to do with recycling! Lots of good ideas here - why not listen to them?

So yes, I agree it's not easy. Looks like it is well beyond what our council and green councillors can do. Yet other councils can do it (of all other political parties) despite similar challenges. The one thing that I thought that the greens could do was to improve recycling when I voted for them. I won't be making that mistake again
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]These costs apply to all councils. Yet in most recycling is going up and comparable cities are achieving double. I'm afraid it's down to poor ideas/planning (why not ask residents and those that work for cityclean?). There is a budget which looks like it is going to be used on something that has very little to do with recycling! Lots of good ideas here - why not listen to them? So yes, I agree it's not easy. Looks like it is well beyond what our council and green councillors can do. Yet other councils can do it (of all other political parties) despite similar challenges. The one thing that I thought that the greens could do was to improve recycling when I voted for them. I won't be making that mistake again NickBtn
  • Score: 29

10:21am Thu 24 Apr 14

Bluebeef says...

Please will someone with a clearer view than mine of the background send details of this farce (or is it tragedy) to Private Eye for "Rotten Boroughs"
Please will someone with a clearer view than mine of the background send details of this farce (or is it tragedy) to Private Eye for "Rotten Boroughs" Bluebeef
  • Score: 26

10:25am Thu 24 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time.

I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time. I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it? Quiterie
  • Score: 29

10:29am Thu 24 Apr 14

the red head says...

I went down to the new recycling bins at the end of my street. I tried to get everything through the small slot but considering the slot is high, narrow and you have to angle any larger items to fall down, I had to stop short of the last things and throw them in the main bin. I truly persevered but as I suffer from tendinitis the pain became too much. I'm upset at the stupidity of these bins. The old, disabled or young are going to struggle with these. To expect people to stomp everything flat is just cuckoo land. Also where is the 'greenness of those up on the pavement secured with heavy duty chains? Some of these are in front of listed buildings and areas of architectural importance. Where, when and how are we going to overcome all these mistakes? It would cost any future administration so much to right all the wrongs.
I went down to the new recycling bins at the end of my street. I tried to get everything through the small slot but considering the slot is high, narrow and you have to angle any larger items to fall down, I had to stop short of the last things and throw them in the main bin. I truly persevered but as I suffer from tendinitis the pain became too much. I'm upset at the stupidity of these bins. The old, disabled or young are going to struggle with these. To expect people to stomp everything flat is just cuckoo land. Also where is the 'greenness of those up on the pavement secured with heavy duty chains? Some of these are in front of listed buildings and areas of architectural importance. Where, when and how are we going to overcome all these mistakes? It would cost any future administration so much to right all the wrongs. the red head
  • Score: 32

10:36am Thu 24 Apr 14

Eugenius says...

Quiterie wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time.

I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?
Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time. I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?[/p][/quote]Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale. Eugenius
  • Score: -23

10:42am Thu 24 Apr 14

Eugenius says...

the red head wrote:
I went down to the new recycling bins at the end of my street. I tried to get everything through the small slot but considering the slot is high, narrow and you have to angle any larger items to fall down, I had to stop short of the last things and throw them in the main bin. I truly persevered but as I suffer from tendinitis the pain became too much. I'm upset at the stupidity of these bins. The old, disabled or young are going to struggle with these. To expect people to stomp everything flat is just cuckoo land. Also where is the 'greenness of those up on the pavement secured with heavy duty chains? Some of these are in front of listed buildings and areas of architectural importance. Where, when and how are we going to overcome all these mistakes? It would cost any future administration so much to right all the wrongs.
Council does offer an assisted collection service for people who are elderly or disabled: http://ww3.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1250454&n
ode=21771
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: I went down to the new recycling bins at the end of my street. I tried to get everything through the small slot but considering the slot is high, narrow and you have to angle any larger items to fall down, I had to stop short of the last things and throw them in the main bin. I truly persevered but as I suffer from tendinitis the pain became too much. I'm upset at the stupidity of these bins. The old, disabled or young are going to struggle with these. To expect people to stomp everything flat is just cuckoo land. Also where is the 'greenness of those up on the pavement secured with heavy duty chains? Some of these are in front of listed buildings and areas of architectural importance. Where, when and how are we going to overcome all these mistakes? It would cost any future administration so much to right all the wrongs.[/p][/quote]Council does offer an assisted collection service for people who are elderly or disabled: http://ww3.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1250454&n ode=21771 Eugenius
  • Score: -27

10:42am Thu 24 Apr 14

jessieros says...

Given that I now have a good five minute walk with a heavy recycling bag and having to cross a main road to get to a communal bin, I was not at all surprised to read this article!! Fortunately I am still able to do this, but many people my age or older could not
Given that I now have a good five minute walk with a heavy recycling bag and having to cross a main road to get to a communal bin, I was not at all surprised to read this article!! Fortunately I am still able to do this, but many people my age or older could not jessieros
  • Score: 29

10:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

Martha Gunn says...

Bluebeef (10.21) raises an interesting point.

Why is it that the appaling antics and disastrous record of Lucas and the Green Party councillors are so rarely covered in 'Rotten Boroughs'.

After all under Labour 'Skidrow on Sea' was a regular feature.

Perhaps Mr. Minogue (Rotten Boroughs editor and local chap) could provide an answer?
Bluebeef (10.21) raises an interesting point. Why is it that the appaling antics and disastrous record of Lucas and the Green Party councillors are so rarely covered in 'Rotten Boroughs'. After all under Labour 'Skidrow on Sea' was a regular feature. Perhaps Mr. Minogue (Rotten Boroughs editor and local chap) could provide an answer? Martha Gunn
  • Score: 29

11:13am Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBtn says...

Eugenius wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time.

I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?
Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.
The recycling affects all of Brighton - not just the central parts with communal bins. There doesn't seem to be a solution proposed for those of us with wheelie bins and black bins - simple ideas which won't cost lots that will encourage more recycling. Other councils can do, good ideas here, yet the "greens" can't manage. Perhaps they're not aware that there are areas outside central Brighton?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time. I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?[/p][/quote]Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.[/p][/quote]The recycling affects all of Brighton - not just the central parts with communal bins. There doesn't seem to be a solution proposed for those of us with wheelie bins and black bins - simple ideas which won't cost lots that will encourage more recycling. Other councils can do, good ideas here, yet the "greens" can't manage. Perhaps they're not aware that there are areas outside central Brighton? NickBtn
  • Score: 25

11:46am Thu 24 Apr 14

Lady Smith says...

Quiterie wrote:
This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful.

If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling.

Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.
Maybe, because of insufficient intellectual capacity, they mistook the word 'recycling' for 'cycling'. This would explain why they've spent millions on unwanted cycle lanes that hardly anyone uses, and in places where no-one wants them (viz. seafront areas that were happily pedestrian-only).
And, don't forget, they've also been too busy fighting each other for the leadership...sorry, 'convenership' of their party during the last two years, because that's far more important than running a city properly and efficiently. I feel great sympathy for whoever is going to have to clean up - literally and metaphorically - the mess they will leave behind when (short of a catastrophe) they are all expunged dishonourably next May.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful. If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling. Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.[/p][/quote]Maybe, because of insufficient intellectual capacity, they mistook the word 'recycling' for 'cycling'. This would explain why they've spent millions on unwanted cycle lanes that hardly anyone uses, and in places where no-one wants them (viz. seafront areas that were happily pedestrian-only). And, don't forget, they've also been too busy fighting each other for the leadership...sorry, 'convenership' of their party during the last two years, because that's far more important than running a city properly and efficiently. I feel great sympathy for whoever is going to have to clean up - literally and metaphorically - the mess they will leave behind when (short of a catastrophe) they are all expunged dishonourably next May. Lady Smith
  • Score: 30

11:47am Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe!
Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe! NickBrt
  • Score: 23

12:11pm Thu 24 Apr 14

cynic_the says...

NickBrt wrote:
Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe!
You rarely see Jarrs and Eugenius together on here. I'm not suggesting they're the same person (Eugenius can spell much better than Jarrs), but you'd think they'd end up agreeing with each other and discussing the Greens' triumphs. Instead they seem to ignore each other....
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe![/p][/quote]You rarely see Jarrs and Eugenius together on here. I'm not suggesting they're the same person (Eugenius can spell much better than Jarrs), but you'd think they'd end up agreeing with each other and discussing the Greens' triumphs. Instead they seem to ignore each other.... cynic_the
  • Score: 20

12:12pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Hove Actually says...

NickBrt wrote:
Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe!
kitcrap sometimes uses Hjarrs or Eugenius either is as full of cr@p for me.

The greens have failed and we will be left to pick up the pieces and the bill
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Still nothing from hjarrs! What a surprise! If we had increased the recycling s/he would be posting on here like rat up drainpipe![/p][/quote]kitcrap sometimes uses Hjarrs or Eugenius either is as full of cr@p for me. The greens have failed and we will be left to pick up the pieces and the bill Hove Actually
  • Score: 20

12:28pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Minger21 says...

If, as I suspect, the rates are a combination of dry recycling and composting, then perhaps someone should compare BHCC's dry reycling rate only. Other authorities collect green waste which can often be a very large proportion of the overall rate. As BHCC does not collect green waste they are missing out. That's not to say that doing it would make much of a difference, mind.

I agree the black boxes are a bit past their use by and bins would be more practical for most. Making the service easier to access would probably help as people will just dump recycling if it's not easy to do it properly.

As for the range of materials... well... just because something has a recycling logo on it doesn't mean there is anywhere to send it, or anyone who wants to buy the material. There has to be a market/use for it before it can go anywhere!
If, as I suspect, the rates are a combination of dry recycling and composting, then perhaps someone should compare BHCC's dry reycling rate only. Other authorities collect green waste which can often be a very large proportion of the overall rate. As BHCC does not collect green waste they are missing out. That's not to say that doing it would make much of a difference, mind. I agree the black boxes are a bit past their use by and bins would be more practical for most. Making the service easier to access would probably help as people will just dump recycling if it's not easy to do it properly. As for the range of materials... well... just because something has a recycling logo on it doesn't mean there is anywhere to send it, or anyone who wants to buy the material. There has to be a market/use for it before it can go anywhere! Minger21
  • Score: 8

12:47pm Thu 24 Apr 14

wexler53 says...

Given all this recycling is collected up and added to bigger and bigger heaps in China or India, what is the point?

If recycling was taken seriously rather than used as a weapon by ideological zealots to tax us more, there would be proper processing facilities to turn all our rubbish into useful products, including electricity.

But as it's used by these zealots as a weapon, it's just so much hot air. Global warming explained in one.
Given all this recycling is collected up and added to bigger and bigger heaps in China or India, what is the point? If recycling was taken seriously rather than used as a weapon by ideological zealots to tax us more, there would be proper processing facilities to turn all our rubbish into useful products, including electricity. But as it's used by these zealots as a weapon, it's just so much hot air. Global warming explained in one. wexler53
  • Score: 17

1:03pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time.

I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?
Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.
No need to change the fleet - the recycling is already tipped into wheelie bins by operatives before being loaded into the cart.

Three simple steps to increasing the recycling :

1. Make rubbish collection bi-weekly and recycling collections every week. Strange how the Green Party want to be all bullish and out on their own when it comes to increasing council tax and "fighting" government cuts yet when it comes to something you would think the party would stand for they're unwilling to take the difficult and daring decision decisions.

2. As others have said, introduce wheelie bin recycling.

3. Introduce a green waste collection say once a month.

Whether the council like it or not, the only way to increase recycling is to INVEST for the future.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time. I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?[/p][/quote]Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.[/p][/quote]No need to change the fleet - the recycling is already tipped into wheelie bins by operatives before being loaded into the cart. Three simple steps to increasing the recycling : 1. Make rubbish collection bi-weekly and recycling collections every week. Strange how the Green Party want to be all bullish and out on their own when it comes to increasing council tax and "fighting" government cuts yet when it comes to something you would think the party would stand for they're unwilling to take the difficult and daring decision decisions. 2. As others have said, introduce wheelie bin recycling. 3. Introduce a green waste collection say once a month. Whether the council like it or not, the only way to increase recycling is to INVEST for the future. Fight_Back
  • Score: 15

1:04pm Thu 24 Apr 14

RJJM says...

The recycling rate in communal areas is around 21%.

The rate is the tonnages taken to the recycling facility and does not include any material rejected and sent to be burnt instead.

Magpie have run a box service with recycling rates upto 90 per cent and that costs less per house per week than running the Veolia (they tell Cityclean what to do) service.

There is only a £15 per tonne incentive because recycling also makes money for Veolia and the £15 is all that is left after they have had their bigger share.

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The recycling rate in communal areas is around 21%. The rate is the tonnages taken to the recycling facility and does not include any material rejected and sent to be burnt instead. Magpie have run a box service with recycling rates upto 90 per cent and that costs less per house per week than running the Veolia (they tell Cityclean what to do) service. There is only a £15 per tonne incentive because recycling also makes money for Veolia and the £15 is all that is left after they have had their bigger share. facebook.com/friends ofGB RJJM
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

I'll add - if communal recycling is rolled out where I live then I'll be using the convenience of my wheelie bin not walking down the street with my recycling.
I'll add - if communal recycling is rolled out where I live then I'll be using the convenience of my wheelie bin not walking down the street with my recycling. Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

1:10pm Thu 24 Apr 14

RJJM says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I'll add - if communal recycling is rolled out where I live then I'll be using the convenience of my wheelie bin not walking down the street with my recycling.
If you are on a street with a GreenBox customer you can have a GreenSack that will recycle 40 per cent of your stuff and you pay what you want to use it!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I'll add - if communal recycling is rolled out where I live then I'll be using the convenience of my wheelie bin not walking down the street with my recycling.[/p][/quote]If you are on a street with a GreenBox customer you can have a GreenSack that will recycle 40 per cent of your stuff and you pay what you want to use it! RJJM
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Thu 24 Apr 14

RJJM says...

Free GreenSack on streets that have GreenBox es on them.'

Enough "new wave recyclers" on a street and perhaps get some of the Cncl Tax back.

We are being robbed by Veolia . BHCC is just the money mule.
Free GreenSack on streets that have GreenBox es on them.' Enough "new wave recyclers" on a street and perhaps get some of the Cncl Tax back. We are being robbed by Veolia . BHCC is just the money mule. RJJM
  • Score: 8

1:16pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Number Six says...

Personally I think the council should avail themselves of the tours that Harveys of Lewes run. That way they might actually learn how to organise a pi55 up in a brewery. A green council and it can't even sort out recycling. The one thing that it should lead on. No wonder \Hugh is conspicuous by his absence.
Personally I think the council should avail themselves of the tours that Harveys of Lewes run. That way they might actually learn how to organise a pi55 up in a brewery. A green council and it can't even sort out recycling. The one thing that it should lead on. No wonder \Hugh is conspicuous by his absence. Number Six
  • Score: 18

3:03pm Thu 24 Apr 14

qm says...

The only thing green about this administration is the residual green slime trail as they meander aimlessly . . . .
Still, not long to go now . . . .
The only thing green about this administration is the residual green slime trail as they meander aimlessly . . . . Still, not long to go now . . . . qm
  • Score: 12

4:12pm Thu 24 Apr 14

attilathehunny says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Bluebeef (10.21) raises an interesting point.

Why is it that the appaling antics and disastrous record of Lucas and the Green Party councillors are so rarely covered in 'Rotten Boroughs'.

After all under Labour 'Skidrow on Sea' was a regular feature.

Perhaps Mr. Minogue (Rotten Boroughs editor and local chap) could provide an answer?
I think we should be told….
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Bluebeef (10.21) raises an interesting point. Why is it that the appaling antics and disastrous record of Lucas and the Green Party councillors are so rarely covered in 'Rotten Boroughs'. After all under Labour 'Skidrow on Sea' was a regular feature. Perhaps Mr. Minogue (Rotten Boroughs editor and local chap) could provide an answer?[/p][/quote]I think we should be told…. attilathehunny
  • Score: 6

5:47pm Thu 24 Apr 14

wippasnapper says...

Seems they are only GREEN by name alone but certainly not by there actions Kitkat is only GREEN by a menthol chocolate bisect and like that bisect the greens levee a nasty taste in the moth and there road traffic safety mashers has left some eara’s chocking from carbon dioxide duo to the amount of traffic now passing through them so it comes as no surprise to hear they are allowing recycling to plummet “How GREEN is your GREEN run city” should be what they are advertising.
Seems they are only GREEN by name alone but certainly not by there actions Kitkat is only GREEN by a menthol chocolate bisect and like that bisect the greens levee a nasty taste in the moth and there road traffic safety mashers has left some eara’s chocking from carbon dioxide duo to the amount of traffic now passing through them so it comes as no surprise to hear they are allowing recycling to plummet “How GREEN is your GREEN run city” should be what they are advertising. wippasnapper
  • Score: 3

7:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

osprey81 says...

NickBtn wrote:
The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities.

The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas:
- make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up
- allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken
- collect tetra
- re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin
- consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?
Add to this - they should actually come and collect the recycling when they say they are going to! I live near the Hollingdean Depot, and we are on a fortnightly black recycling box collection. The number of times a year a collection is missed is ridiculous. They don't make up for a missed collection by, say, coming and collecting it the next working day - instead they usually come at the next cycle in two weeks time. So most of the time our recycling only gets collected once a month, and most people leave it sitting on the curb after the missed collection (hoping it will be collected), so it looks really messy along our street.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The greens should be ashamed of this - recycling rates should be rising not falling. The rates are at nearly half the level of comparable cities. The "solution" proposed is also shocking - it has very little to do with what limits the rate of recycling. Why doesn't the council talk to residents and ask "how can we help you to recycle more?". In the meantime, here are some ideas: - make recycling easier. The box collection scheme is too complex and enforcement of "wrong items" is too strict meaning that people give up - allow us to recycle more. If it says that it can be recycled, then collect it. All of this "we don't collect plastic unless it's a bottle" stuff is not acceptable. Items such as margarine tubs, wrapping etc all say that they can be recycled. Yet they are not taken - collect tetra - re-introduce the lids to stop items blowing around. This will help people put out earlier, necessary when space is tight indoors. Otherwise too easy to put in the bin - consult with residents. Get their ideas. I mean talk to and not just tell us. Aren't the greens meant to be about local democracy and activity?[/p][/quote]Add to this - they should actually come and collect the recycling when they say they are going to! I live near the Hollingdean Depot, and we are on a fortnightly black recycling box collection. The number of times a year a collection is missed is ridiculous. They don't make up for a missed collection by, say, coming and collecting it the next working day - instead they usually come at the next cycle in two weeks time. So most of the time our recycling only gets collected once a month, and most people leave it sitting on the curb after the missed collection (hoping it will be collected), so it looks really messy along our street. osprey81
  • Score: 5

7:16pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Quiterie wrote:
This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful.

If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling.

Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.
But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful. If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling. Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.[/p][/quote]But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 9

7:19pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Since being elected, the recycling rates have fallen, the council has fallen down the carbon table, the city has failed to cut pollution, failed to achieve its council tax collection target and even failed to recruit 50 apprentices into the council despite the authority employing hundreds of contractors who could offer places to the young.
This lot could not organise a children's tea party.
For those of you who voted for them, please check out the individuals you voted for, they were a mishmash of individuals with their own political agendas who piggybacked the Green Party to get elected to follow their own agenda, hence the bickering in the party. No other parties would have them.
Very few of them had the aim of improving the environment hence the complete lack of interest in recycling, street cleaning, or protecting our environment. They were more interested in international causes and armchair anarchy, sadly grassroots community issues are boring to them which is why so few if them ever answer emails from residents.
They will not be voted back in. They have wasted our time and made the city a worse place to be.
It's over.
Since being elected, the recycling rates have fallen, the council has fallen down the carbon table, the city has failed to cut pollution, failed to achieve its council tax collection target and even failed to recruit 50 apprentices into the council despite the authority employing hundreds of contractors who could offer places to the young. This lot could not organise a children's tea party. For those of you who voted for them, please check out the individuals you voted for, they were a mishmash of individuals with their own political agendas who piggybacked the Green Party to get elected to follow their own agenda, hence the bickering in the party. No other parties would have them. Very few of them had the aim of improving the environment hence the complete lack of interest in recycling, street cleaning, or protecting our environment. They were more interested in international causes and armchair anarchy, sadly grassroots community issues are boring to them which is why so few if them ever answer emails from residents. They will not be voted back in. They have wasted our time and made the city a worse place to be. It's over. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 12

7:31pm Thu 24 Apr 14

melee says...

"As for the range of materials... well... just because something has a recycling logo on it doesn't mean there is anywhere to send it, or anyone who wants to buy the material. There has to be a market/use for it before it can go anywhere!"

But Adur council has a much longer list of items that they can recycle so if they can do it...
My mum only lives along the road from me but she is 'over the border' in West Sussex and gets all sorts of things collected, including garden waste. She has a bag for green waste and then one other recycling bin and that's it. When the binmen have collected along her road it looks pristine, whereas ours has litter strewn all over it and black boxes dumped in heaps on the pavement. If it's windy you are lucky if you ever see your lids again (not saying that's the binmen's fault but the design of the boxes). No only does it look a mess but it's a hazard for any pedestrian with poor mobility or eyesight, plus the boxes often blow into the road.

If nothing else the 'Greens' should have had a massive drive on collecting garden waste for composting. Think of all the individual trips to the tip it would save (and we know how they hate cars), not to mention reducing fly-tipping. If I was elected on the basis of being seen as 'green' that would seem like an obvious and basic part of my job to me.
"As for the range of materials... well... just because something has a recycling logo on it doesn't mean there is anywhere to send it, or anyone who wants to buy the material. There has to be a market/use for it before it can go anywhere!" But Adur council has a much longer list of items that they can recycle so if they can do it... My mum only lives along the road from me but she is 'over the border' in West Sussex and gets all sorts of things collected, including garden waste. She has a bag for green waste and then one other recycling bin and that's it. When the binmen have collected along her road it looks pristine, whereas ours has litter strewn all over it and black boxes dumped in heaps on the pavement. If it's windy you are lucky if you ever see your lids again (not saying that's the binmen's fault but the design of the boxes). No only does it look a mess but it's a hazard for any pedestrian with poor mobility or eyesight, plus the boxes often blow into the road. If nothing else the 'Greens' should have had a massive drive on collecting garden waste for composting. Think of all the individual trips to the tip it would save (and we know how they hate cars), not to mention reducing fly-tipping. If I was elected on the basis of being seen as 'green' that would seem like an obvious and basic part of my job to me. melee
  • Score: 8

7:57pm Thu 24 Apr 14

RJJM says...

Eugenius wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time.

I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?
Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.
The trial rasied recycling rate from 17 to 21 per cent . The area had been picked for the trial as it had such a low recycling rate. The local authority had forced the black communal bins in and then afterwards carried out a consultation. The area was not best pleased with CityClean staff.

Yes the communla bins are about savinbg money so we can afford to pay the loans and bills that the contract with Veolia burden us with.

That contract has the support of all political parties.

No brand of politics is setting out to save the taxpayer from the impacts that this contract has. The cost cutting on wages, the resulting poor service. The talking bllx about the environment, the resulting poisoning of the air, the streets and the countryside.

All involved should be ashamed . All officers and all politicians
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]But they have this service in Worthing and Adur where the recycling rate last year was 42.6%. It would pay for itself over time. I agree with Maria. The silly black boxes with lids that don't fit are ridiculous. They certainly stop me from recycling. The Council need to learn lessons from other areas where recycling rates are much higher. That's what I meant above when I mentioned bold solutions. Surely it's just common sense to learn from other local authorities isn't it?[/p][/quote]Disagree that changing the service over to wheelie bins would pay for itself over time, it would be a more expensive service and cost millions in capital investment to change the fleet. Previous administrations have taken us down the communal collection route to save money so we need work with what we've got and extending this to include recycling is the next logical step. It delivered good results in the pilot scheme so give it time to see how it works out on a larger scale.[/p][/quote]The trial rasied recycling rate from 17 to 21 per cent . The area had been picked for the trial as it had such a low recycling rate. The local authority had forced the black communal bins in and then afterwards carried out a consultation. The area was not best pleased with CityClean staff. Yes the communla bins are about savinbg money so we can afford to pay the loans and bills that the contract with Veolia burden us with. That contract has the support of all political parties. No brand of politics is setting out to save the taxpayer from the impacts that this contract has. The cost cutting on wages, the resulting poor service. The talking bllx about the environment, the resulting poisoning of the air, the streets and the countryside. All involved should be ashamed . All officers and all politicians RJJM
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Thu 24 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

The council would do better to stop handing out contracts to suppliers and providers who can then bleed the public purse dry.
The council would do better to stop handing out contracts to suppliers and providers who can then bleed the public purse dry. mimseycal
  • Score: 5

8:37pm Thu 24 Apr 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful.

If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling.

Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.
But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council.
And of course, the Greens have since promoted the individual who was directly responsible for the illegal felling in Wild Park, whereas on any rational basis, he should have been sacked for gross misconduct, being responsible for the biggest act of environmental vandalism in the city for many years.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful. If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling. Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.[/p][/quote]But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council.[/p][/quote]And of course, the Greens have since promoted the individual who was directly responsible for the illegal felling in Wild Park, whereas on any rational basis, he should have been sacked for gross misconduct, being responsible for the biggest act of environmental vandalism in the city for many years. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 7

8:57pm Thu 24 Apr 14

keswick says...

Eugenius wrote:
maria m wrote:
Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.
Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.
Not easy when your incompetent is it ?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: Why are we not able to have wheely bins for recycling, as we no longer have to separate items apart from glass, it would make more sense and reduce the amount of rubbish blowing around the street due to no lids on most boxes.[/p][/quote]Simply down to cost - the context here is that we are expected to improve the service while central government is reducing our grant by £25m every single year. It's not easy.[/p][/quote]Not easy when your incompetent is it ? keswick
  • Score: 6

8:59pm Thu 24 Apr 14

angrymonkey says...

all they need to do if look at Worthing and Shoreham to see how its done without mess everywhere but this is the greens that think they know best but are just a bunch of nutters.
all they need to do if look at Worthing and Shoreham to see how its done without mess everywhere but this is the greens that think they know best but are just a bunch of nutters. angrymonkey
  • Score: 7

9:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14

NickBtn says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Since being elected, the recycling rates have fallen, the council has fallen down the carbon table, the city has failed to cut pollution, failed to achieve its council tax collection target and even failed to recruit 50 apprentices into the council despite the authority employing hundreds of contractors who could offer places to the young.
This lot could not organise a children's tea party.
For those of you who voted for them, please check out the individuals you voted for, they were a mishmash of individuals with their own political agendas who piggybacked the Green Party to get elected to follow their own agenda, hence the bickering in the party. No other parties would have them.
Very few of them had the aim of improving the environment hence the complete lack of interest in recycling, street cleaning, or protecting our environment. They were more interested in international causes and armchair anarchy, sadly grassroots community issues are boring to them which is why so few if them ever answer emails from residents.
They will not be voted back in. They have wasted our time and made the city a worse place to be.
It's over.
The greens record has been terrible in many ways. Particularly on environmental issues as you highlight. They stand no chance in 2015 and we have learnt our lesson

Unfortunately, despite being a minority council, we are having to wait until 2015 for a change. The other parties aren't stepping in and are letting mistake after mistake happen (including the i360 and an above inflation council tax rise). Can't the other parties show some leadership and stop the damage now?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Since being elected, the recycling rates have fallen, the council has fallen down the carbon table, the city has failed to cut pollution, failed to achieve its council tax collection target and even failed to recruit 50 apprentices into the council despite the authority employing hundreds of contractors who could offer places to the young. This lot could not organise a children's tea party. For those of you who voted for them, please check out the individuals you voted for, they were a mishmash of individuals with their own political agendas who piggybacked the Green Party to get elected to follow their own agenda, hence the bickering in the party. No other parties would have them. Very few of them had the aim of improving the environment hence the complete lack of interest in recycling, street cleaning, or protecting our environment. They were more interested in international causes and armchair anarchy, sadly grassroots community issues are boring to them which is why so few if them ever answer emails from residents. They will not be voted back in. They have wasted our time and made the city a worse place to be. It's over.[/p][/quote]The greens record has been terrible in many ways. Particularly on environmental issues as you highlight. They stand no chance in 2015 and we have learnt our lesson Unfortunately, despite being a minority council, we are having to wait until 2015 for a change. The other parties aren't stepping in and are letting mistake after mistake happen (including the i360 and an above inflation council tax rise). Can't the other parties show some leadership and stop the damage now? NickBtn
  • Score: 4

9:47pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

On Easter Bank Holiday Monday the recycling wagon turned up in our area at 7am. No one had put their recycling out as we certainly didn't expect Brighton to put a service on during a bank holiday when it barely manages a regular service on a normal week.
I was incredulous as I watched the crew picking up the odd box of waste which had been sat outside a few student homes for more than a week before driving off. They couldn't believe their luck at how little work they had to do.
Now Eugenius, how much did the council pay to put crews on a bank holiday, were they paid for a whole day and if so what time did they knock off or did you get them to do other jobs once their round was completed early, what lieu time did they receive and what tonnage did you collect on a bank holiday compared to the usual day because it was clear no one put their waste out. And if this was a normal service why wasn't the street sweeper on duty clearing up behind the wagon as he usually is?
This was clearly a waste of time and resources which collected little waste and left half collected waste in the street unswept so please don't claim cuts and money is an issue. You are incompetent and your spin is now so desperate you have resorted to blatant lies.
Please stand down. It's over.
On Easter Bank Holiday Monday the recycling wagon turned up in our area at 7am. No one had put their recycling out as we certainly didn't expect Brighton to put a service on during a bank holiday when it barely manages a regular service on a normal week. I was incredulous as I watched the crew picking up the odd box of waste which had been sat outside a few student homes for more than a week before driving off. They couldn't believe their luck at how little work they had to do. Now Eugenius, how much did the council pay to put crews on a bank holiday, were they paid for a whole day and if so what time did they knock off or did you get them to do other jobs once their round was completed early, what lieu time did they receive and what tonnage did you collect on a bank holiday compared to the usual day because it was clear no one put their waste out. And if this was a normal service why wasn't the street sweeper on duty clearing up behind the wagon as he usually is? This was clearly a waste of time and resources which collected little waste and left half collected waste in the street unswept so please don't claim cuts and money is an issue. You are incompetent and your spin is now so desperate you have resorted to blatant lies. Please stand down. It's over. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 9

10:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Quiterie says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful.

If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling.

Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.
But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council.
And of course, the Greens have since promoted the individual who was directly responsible for the illegal felling in Wild Park, whereas on any rational basis, he should have been sacked for gross misconduct, being responsible for the biggest act of environmental vandalism in the city for many years.
Can you name names please Fred? I'm sure you're right. But it's important we're all made aware of incompetent Council Officials. If we don't think Councillors are up to it we can vote them out. Unfortunately we can't do the same with Council Officers. It's important that they realise there is no hiding place if they're not doing their job properly.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: This is the final nail in the coffin for this Green administration. If there's one thing you could reasonably have expected the Greens to have improved it's the recycling rates. The fact they have got worse is nothing short of disgraceful. If this 'Incentive Scheme' is the best solution they can come up with they're even more clueless than I thought. It will quickly be forgotten about and will have no impact on residents day to day behaviour with regards to recycling. Bold action was required to tackle the abysmal recycling rates in the City and all we get is this pathetic tinkering around the edges. This really does demonstrate to me that the Greens don't have sufficient intellectual capacity to solve the City's problems.[/p][/quote]But 'incentives' always sound as if the Council is really getting on the ball, Like their Parks 'incentive' where they wanted to return Wild Park to the state it was in in 1946, (why they chose that date is beyond me) their incentive consisted of illegally cutting down 6 acres of trees, thankfully they were stopped by the Forestry Commission after they'd hacked down less than a couple of acres. How about their Drug Programme incentive where they wanted to set up illegal 'shooting galleries' which would have been like an Open Market for drug dealers. I love incentives they give me such confidence in our Council.[/p][/quote]And of course, the Greens have since promoted the individual who was directly responsible for the illegal felling in Wild Park, whereas on any rational basis, he should have been sacked for gross misconduct, being responsible for the biggest act of environmental vandalism in the city for many years.[/p][/quote]Can you name names please Fred? I'm sure you're right. But it's important we're all made aware of incompetent Council Officials. If we don't think Councillors are up to it we can vote them out. Unfortunately we can't do the same with Council Officers. It's important that they realise there is no hiding place if they're not doing their job properly. Quiterie
  • Score: 2

10:43pm Thu 24 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

@ NickBtn 9:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14

The I360 loan was approved by 7 councillors which included the Conservative as well as the Green members of the relevant committee. The only ones who voted against it were the Labour councillors on that committee.
@ NickBtn 9:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14 The I360 loan was approved by 7 councillors which included the Conservative as well as the Green members of the relevant committee. The only ones who voted against it were the Labour councillors on that committee. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

1:45am Fri 25 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

Where is HJarrs, should we send out a search party?!
Where is HJarrs, should we send out a search party?! NickBrt
  • Score: 4

8:22am Fri 25 Apr 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

NickBrt wrote:
Where is HJarrs, should we send out a search party?!
No Way! Life is much better without Jarrs
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Where is HJarrs, should we send out a search party?![/p][/quote]No Way! Life is much better without Jarrs Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 4

9:39am Fri 25 Apr 14

Max Ripple says...

We still use Magpie. £1 per week. All recycling taken. Turn up every week on the dot. Electric milk float vehicles (environmentally friendly).
We still use Magpie. £1 per week. All recycling taken. Turn up every week on the dot. Electric milk float vehicles (environmentally friendly). Max Ripple
  • Score: 4

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