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Police cannot ban March for England as it is not violent enough

The Argus: Police cannot ban March for England as it is not violent enough Police cannot ban March for England as it is not violent enough

WITH VIDEO: Police bosses have said they are unable to ban the annual March for England because there is not enough widespread disorder.

That is the message despite running battles through the city, on Sunday, which saw businesses trashed and 27 arrests.

One of the largest police operations the city has ever seen was required to keep around 150 nationalists and 1,000 anti-fascists apart.

But despite the presence of officers from at least nine forces, there were still numerous bloody clashes throughout the day.

Many are now calling for the march to either be banned or moved.

But police bosses, who said they were “satisfied” with the operation, have said how banning the event is out of the question.

Superintendent Steve Whitton said: “There were a number of incidents of disorder after the march was finished which we will continue to investigate.

“They were, however, not during the organised procession along the seafront which is all that a banning order would seek to control. The march and counter protest on the seafront was relatively peaceful.”

He added: “The exceptional option of applying for a banning order for a procession is on the grounds that serious disorder cannot be prevented with the resources and legislation already available to the police.

“Although there was disorder in some areas , it was dealt with swiftly by officers and arrests have been made.

“The serious disorder to reach the threshold for a ban would have to take the form of widespread violent protest, rioting, criminal damage and looting. A banning order can only ban a procession and there is no power to prevent an assembly.

“I am determined that we should continue to focus on identifying those involved and holding them to account.”

Political leaders yesterday condemned the weekend’s event with some calling for its future to be reviewed.

Councillor Geoffrey Theobald, leader of the Conservative group on Brighton and Hove City Council, urged those in charge to consider moving it elsewhere.

He said: “I’ve been calling for the march to be moved away from our shop window – the seafront.

“I put forward a notice of motion last year but didn’t get any support. I think the police should consider moving it elsewhere.

“Where to move it is a difficult one. Last time I suggested – perhaps a bit tongue in cheek – maybe holding it at Race Hill. It’s a difficult one.”

He added: “My main concern is for the businesses, the restaurant owners and the hoteliers, who suffer.

“It also paints our city in a bad light. Anyone seeing those scenes would probably think twice about visiting.”

However, the veteran politician stopped short of calling for the march to be banned, adding that it would be a “dangerous move”.

He said: “Who is it who chooses which group is banned and which isn’t. It’s a slippery slope.”

Warren Morgan, Labour leader on the council, was among the anti-fascist protesters on Sunday.

He added: “I’d repeat what I said to the March for England leader’s face, that his organisation should not come to our city now or in the future.

“Any pretence at being a family-orientated event was once again dispelled by around 100 right-wing thugs.”

He added: “This isn’t about promoting Britishness, it is about provoking violence, and an abuse of the rights we as a nation have fought to preserve.”

Simon Kirby, Conservative MP for Brighton Kemptown, also said the march should be held elsewhere.

Meanwhile Mike Weatherley, Conservative MP for Hove, said marchers only come to the city for the reaction.

He said: “They will continue to come as long as they get the reaction that they want.”

Caroline Lucas, Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, said she would meet police to discuss the future of the march.

She added: “Brighton traders and residents, like myself, do not want the March for England to come to Brighton every year to spread their hatred and bigotry.

“I discussed the proposals with the police in some detail and we discussed whether the march could be banned.

“The police told me that the final decision on banning the march would lie with the Home Secretary, following a request from the council on police advice, and the only grounds for banning the march would be if the police believed that they would be unable to cope with the march.”

The Argus also contacted council leader Jason Kitcat, but at the time of going to press he had not responded.

One of the main flashpoints on Sunday was at The Dorset pub on the corner of Gardner Street and North Road.

A group of nationalists were drinking inside when about 20 anti-fascists attacked.

Tables, chairs and bottles were thrown and punches exchanged in a terrifying few minutes before police arrived.

Yesterday staff at the popular pub were counting the cost of the clash.

Manager Ali Ceesay said she was unaware the drinkers were from the march.

The 34-year-old said: “It was just awful – some men showed up who turned out to be from the march. We’ve been strict with entry to the pub over the weekend but it’s impossible to vet everyone who walks in.

“Some of the anti-facists approached and they had an altercation. Someone flipped over a table and they started throwing ashtrays, chairs and tables.”

She added: “The fight caused hundreds of pounds worth of damage and it’s amazing our windows weren’t smashed.

“Next year we’re going to have to question whether we open. We paid a fortune for our CCTV system – we’ve got pictures and statements all ready. Whilst I respect the right to protest, we were all put at risk.”

Infinity Foods, which is across the road from The Dorset pub, suffered broken windows with terrified shoppers cowering in the aisles.

While those in charge tried to get back to normal today, shop assistant Tom Cowan, 33, said a deeper look was needed at why the protesters wanted to come.

He said: “I think we need to look at why these people feel so let down by our country that they need to do this. No one is talking to each other.”

The streets around North Laine saw a number of clashes as police concentrated on moving the main group along Queen’s Road towards the station.

The Argus visited residents, who spoke of their terror.

Rose Gander, 27, said: “I think being able to protest is important but everyone just seemed to want to hurt each other.

“I really don’t know why they want to come to Brighton – it’s so multicultural. They must have been looking for a fight.”

Richard Allan, 25, said: “I do think protest is important and I get that these people are angry with the state of society, but I don’t want them to come back.”

Police issued an appeal yesterday for any witnesses to the clash outside The Dorset pub.

Describing it as a “nasty incident,” Detective Chief Inspector Carwyn Hughes said: “We already know that video footage of the incident was taken by someone in The Dorset pub and would appeal to this person to come forward, as we would to anyone else who witnessed it.

“We will not tolerate this sort of behaviour and will be making every effort to find those people involved to bring them to justice.”

The Argus has contacted the people who supplied us with the above video footage to alert them to the appeal.

Anyone with information about The Dorset pub fight should contact police on 101 or email 101@sussex.pnn.police.uk quoting reference 474 of 27/4.

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9:30am Tue 29 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen.
Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen. Plantpot
  • Score: 26

9:55am Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over.
Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over. clubrob6
  • Score: 10

9:59am Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

10:06am Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

With democracy you have to take the rough with the smooth, so let them march but not along the main seafront area, move it somewhere else where it wont cause as much trouble. Why not at the other end of Madeira Drive, it wont disrupt traffic, they get their day at the sea side and everyone else can get on with their lives. If there is another event using Madeira Drive then tell them to find another date, i'm sure i wouldn't be allowed to close the seafront for an event if something else was already booked for Madeira Drive. so don't ban them just use our democratic system to make things hard for them.
With democracy you have to take the rough with the smooth, so let them march but not along the main seafront area, move it somewhere else where it wont cause as much trouble. Why not at the other end of Madeira Drive, it wont disrupt traffic, they get their day at the sea side and everyone else can get on with their lives. If there is another event using Madeira Drive then tell them to find another date, i'm sure i wouldn't be allowed to close the seafront for an event if something else was already booked for Madeira Drive. so don't ban them just use our democratic system to make things hard for them. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 28

10:07am Tue 29 Apr 14

Monkeymoo1 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts Monkeymoo1
  • Score: 48

10:23am Tue 29 Apr 14

tykemison says...

Monkeymoo1 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts
I have not commented on any of the events on sunday but jeez argus, get a grip, what a pathetically sensationalist article, people cowering in the aisles, terrified!! Not exactly syria was it, few people luzzing chairs, but hey ho, keep dragging this out.
[quote][p][bold]Monkeymoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts[/p][/quote]I have not commented on any of the events on sunday but jeez argus, get a grip, what a pathetically sensationalist article, people cowering in the aisles, terrified!! Not exactly syria was it, few people luzzing chairs, but hey ho, keep dragging this out. tykemison
  • Score: 11

10:29am Tue 29 Apr 14

s&k says...

Health and Safety gone mad!
Health and Safety gone mad! s&k
  • Score: 7

11:11am Tue 29 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

Move the march to the Racehill!
Move the march to the Racehill! mimseycal
  • Score: 7

11:33am Tue 29 Apr 14

menowhere says...

i think the lesson the mfe people will learn from this is to do the same as the uaf/ antifa mob and wear masks next time as you will notice the videos being released only show mfe faces ;)
i think the lesson the mfe people will learn from this is to do the same as the uaf/ antifa mob and wear masks next time as you will notice the videos being released only show mfe faces ;) menowhere
  • Score: 4

11:43am Tue 29 Apr 14

Andy R says...

Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too. Andy R
  • Score: 7

11:43am Tue 29 Apr 14

mhaiti says...

Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence. mhaiti
  • Score: 21

11:46am Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
Correct.

The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously?

And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight?

This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence.

The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business.

I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status.

The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]Correct. The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously? And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight? This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence. The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business. I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status. The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

11:49am Tue 29 Apr 14

rayellerton says...

I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?
I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester? rayellerton
  • Score: 1

11:49am Tue 29 Apr 14

Heathen Earth says...

clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough! Heathen Earth
  • Score: 4

11:50am Tue 29 Apr 14

hayward62 says...

I find it intolerable that the so called Green Party supports the UAF, who seem to be more fascist than the so called fascists, shameful.
I find it intolerable that the so called Green Party supports the UAF, who seem to be more fascist than the so called fascists, shameful. hayward62
  • Score: 13

11:55am Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Heathen Earth wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough!
But you're still reading them. right?

*facepalm*
[quote][p][bold]Heathen Earth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough![/p][/quote]But you're still reading them. right? *facepalm* ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -8

12:00pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mhaiti wrote:
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day.

If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day?

No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day. If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day? No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -21

12:01pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Bugzy84 says...

The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble Bugzy84
  • Score: 3

12:02pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Heathen Earth says...

rayellerton wrote:
I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?
I think you'll find that this is exactly the sort of St. Georges Day celebration that most of the anti's would approve of, so no reason to protest it. MfE wouldn't be accepted in Manchester, just as it isn't here.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that this is exactly the sort of St. Georges Day celebration that most of the anti's would approve of, so no reason to protest it. MfE wouldn't be accepted in Manchester, just as it isn't here. Heathen Earth
  • Score: 7

12:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

12:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Heathen Earth wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?
I think you'll find that this is exactly the sort of St. Georges Day celebration that most of the anti's would approve of, so no reason to protest it. MfE wouldn't be accepted in Manchester, just as it isn't here.
So what was different?
[quote][p][bold]Heathen Earth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that this is exactly the sort of St. Georges Day celebration that most of the anti's would approve of, so no reason to protest it. MfE wouldn't be accepted in Manchester, just as it isn't here.[/p][/quote]So what was different? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

12:07pm Tue 29 Apr 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that.
Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred.
As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban.
It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others.
Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.[/p][/quote]It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that. Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred. As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban. It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others. Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible. JHunty
  • Score: -6

12:10pm Tue 29 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill! mimseycal
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill![/p][/quote]So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

12:16pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Bugzy84 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists.
Again please describe what is English?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists. Again please describe what is English? Bugzy84
  • Score: 12

12:19pm Tue 29 Apr 14

TheWerewolf says...

Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen.
But its fine for the rest of Brighton to be held to ransom by their antics? Liberal wishwash....People have a right to demonstrate UNTIL it impacts the rights of others to go about their daily lives. At a minimum those involved should be sent the bill for their actions!
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen.[/p][/quote]But its fine for the rest of Brighton to be held to ransom by their antics? Liberal wishwash....People have a right to demonstrate UNTIL it impacts the rights of others to go about their daily lives. At a minimum those involved should be sent the bill for their actions! TheWerewolf
  • Score: 7

12:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists.
Again please describe what is English?
So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF?

What planet are you on?

The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers?

No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists. Again please describe what is English?[/p][/quote]So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF? What planet are you on? The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers? No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -10

12:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Andy R says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest". Andy R
  • Score: 13

12:24pm Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Andy R wrote:
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
The trouble is the violence comes from both sides especially from the UAF a group I nearly joined until I found out the violence they commit all over the country.So the violent and extremist element from both sides should take note they are not welcome here.Said that there were plenty of people peacefully protesting about the march that were not connected to the UAF or any other groups,but the message they were putting across was destroyed by the now took over group the UAF who are trying to take away freedom of speech by force even at UKIP events.To me it should be a family day with everyone involved and the THUGS FROM BOTH SIDES SHOULD KEEP AWAY.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.[/p][/quote]The trouble is the violence comes from both sides especially from the UAF a group I nearly joined until I found out the violence they commit all over the country.So the violent and extremist element from both sides should take note they are not welcome here.Said that there were plenty of people peacefully protesting about the march that were not connected to the UAF or any other groups,but the message they were putting across was destroyed by the now took over group the UAF who are trying to take away freedom of speech by force even at UKIP events.To me it should be a family day with everyone involved and the THUGS FROM BOTH SIDES SHOULD KEEP AWAY. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen.
But its fine for the rest of Brighton to be held to ransom by their antics? Liberal wishwash....People have a right to demonstrate UNTIL it impacts the rights of others to go about their daily lives. At a minimum those involved should be sent the bill for their actions!
So you're staunchly against the Pride festival?

The march itself led to the closure of part of the coast road and the bottom of West Street. It hardly affected the city at all. The shopping areas were freely open, as was the beach.

The only people preventing others from enjoying the city were the UAF, who caused problems throughout the day and into the evening.
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whilst I find both sides loathsome, if the march is banned the antis have won. This will then encourage them to try the same tactics against anything they disagree with, and vice versa. This can't be allowed to happen.[/p][/quote]But its fine for the rest of Brighton to be held to ransom by their antics? Liberal wishwash....People have a right to demonstrate UNTIL it impacts the rights of others to go about their daily lives. At a minimum those involved should be sent the bill for their actions![/p][/quote]So you're staunchly against the Pride festival? The march itself led to the closure of part of the coast road and the bottom of West Street. It hardly affected the city at all. The shopping areas were freely open, as was the beach. The only people preventing others from enjoying the city were the UAF, who caused problems throughout the day and into the evening. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -8

12:27pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -13

12:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that.
Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred.
As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban.
It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others.
Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.
Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh!

The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate.

And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George.........
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.[/p][/quote]It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that. Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred. As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban. It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others. Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.[/p][/quote]Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh! The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate. And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George......... Andy R
  • Score: 6

12:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

mhaiti wrote:
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF. clubrob6
  • Score: -5

12:34pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Andy R wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that.
Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred.
As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban.
It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others.
Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.
Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh!

The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate.

And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George.........
So Andy doesn't mind people coming to Brighton just so long as he approves of their intentions.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.[/p][/quote]It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that. Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred. As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban. It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others. Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.[/p][/quote]Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh! The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate. And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George.........[/p][/quote]So Andy doesn't mind people coming to Brighton just so long as he approves of their intentions. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

12:36pm Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
Correct.

The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously?

And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight?

This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence.

The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business.

I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status.

The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.
Do what I have done today and write to your MP,right across the country the UAF go to events just to be violent even at UKIP evens.They are very clever hiding behind the name UAF and people automatically assume they are a peacefull grop but the opposite is true.Looking on the UAF wesite you see a list of MPs even CAMERON is listed but to be fair to them when they gave support to the UAF they had not been took over by the violent extremist element.I nearly joined the UAF but quickly learnt they are the most violent group in the country.I am asking my MP why this group get government funding and why MPs support a group that runs riot through our streets.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]Correct. The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously? And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight? This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence. The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business. I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status. The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.[/p][/quote]Do what I have done today and write to your MP,right across the country the UAF go to events just to be violent even at UKIP evens.They are very clever hiding behind the name UAF and people automatically assume they are a peacefull grop but the opposite is true.Looking on the UAF wesite you see a list of MPs even CAMERON is listed but to be fair to them when they gave support to the UAF they had not been took over by the violent extremist element.I nearly joined the UAF but quickly learnt they are the most violent group in the country.I am asking my MP why this group get government funding and why MPs support a group that runs riot through our streets. clubrob6
  • Score: -8

12:37pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Andy R says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them.

They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.
It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that.
Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred.
As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban.
It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others.
Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.
Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh!

The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate.

And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George.........
So Andy doesn't mind people coming to Brighton just so long as he approves of their intentions.
So it IS a protest then? Against what? Why Brighton?

Just curous...and you seem to be in the know....
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Anti-fascists are not calling for the march to be banned - a static gathering could not be banned anyway. We'll happily settle for the fact that the march gets smaller every year, and gets confined to a smaller area every year. That's the result of not taking Weatherley's useless advice to just ignore them. They will eventually lose interest and stop coming (they ALL do come - none of them leve here) - and any that really want to hold a "family day to celebrate St Georges Day" can do that in their home towns. Equally anyone that wants to do that here - without the drunken threats, racism, homophobia, islamopobia and badly-spelled placards - ca do that too.[/p][/quote]It's live here not leave here, pride in the English language and all that. Just like. HJARRS you seem to have a problem with non local people and their non local ways. It's almost as if you two are racist. What is for certain is that you are a massive hypocrite for raising the issue. Many have made exactly the same point with regard to Smashedo protests but you have always claimed it as irrelevant and gone on about the right to protest being sacred. As for Lucas she must think we have very short memories if she thinks we have forgotten her support for Smashedo and all the violence and costs they have been responsible for. Their demos have involved far more violence than the MFE but she never called for a ban. It was only. A couple of weeks ago she was talking about her right to protest and now she wants to take away a right she claims for herself away from others. Massively hypocritical. The same anti police extremists who were behind Smashedo now run stopmfe it's a disgrace that Caroline has not condemned the violence for which they are responsible.[/p][/quote]Well yes...for sure....I object to all non-local people coming here.....doh! The point about them not being local is that they have no need to come here for their march for any reason other than the fact that the place stands for everything they hate. And by the way you're losing the plot - their right to protest isn't relevant - because it's not a "protest" is it? It's just a harmless little parade to celebrate St George.........[/p][/quote]So Andy doesn't mind people coming to Brighton just so long as he approves of their intentions.[/p][/quote]So it IS a protest then? Against what? Why Brighton? Just curous...and you seem to be in the know.... Andy R
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Bugzy84 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists.
Again please describe what is English?
So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF?

What planet are you on?

The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers?

No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.
Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC.

The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists. Again please describe what is English?[/p][/quote]So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF? What planet are you on? The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers? No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.[/p][/quote]Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC. The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either. Bugzy84
  • Score: 5

12:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

rayellerton wrote:
I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?
We had one in my hometown in Cumbria too,its a family event where everyone no matter there race,religion,sexual
ity all mix together for a fun day out.I totally agree its the now took over groups like the UAF that go to such events just to cause trouble.To groups like the UAF the England flag offends them.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I read the Manchester had a St Georges Day parade on sunday as well....but that went off with no trouble. So, is it the anti's who make things kick off, or did they not fancy a trip to Manchester?[/p][/quote]We had one in my hometown in Cumbria too,its a family event where everyone no matter there race,religion,sexual ity all mix together for a fun day out.I totally agree its the now took over groups like the UAF that go to such events just to cause trouble.To groups like the UAF the England flag offends them. clubrob6
  • Score: -4

12:47pm Tue 29 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.
Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill![/p][/quote]So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.[/p][/quote]Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged. mimseycal
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Tue 29 Apr 14

clubrob6 says...

Heathen Earth wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough!
Sorry its because I nearly joined the UAF but found out that they only travel around the county to cause trouble,and unfortunately because of there name they seem to avoid the blame.Point taken I think I have put my opinion across so will now stop commenting on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]Heathen Earth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]More to the point, why does the Argus continue to publish your comments? They are boring & repetitive in the extreme. I’ve lost count of how many you’ve made in relation to MfE, all saying essentially the same thing. I’d guess that most people don’t even bother to read them anymore, once is enough![/p][/quote]Sorry its because I nearly joined the UAF but found out that they only travel around the county to cause trouble,and unfortunately because of there name they seem to avoid the blame.Point taken I think I have put my opinion across so will now stop commenting on this issue. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists.
Again please describe what is English?
So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF?

What planet are you on?

The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers?

No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.
Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC.

The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either.
Why have you mentioned skin pigments? They have nothing to do with any of this.

Human's place themselves in many groups. It's called 'diversity', and Brighton residents pride themselves on embracing such matters.

Why is it, then, that those who place themselves in the 'patriotic' groups face so much anger from those who love 'diversity'?

No, 'diversity' seems to mean "things of which I approve" to some Brighton residents.

I'm glad you accept that the sole purpose of the UAF is to oppose displays of patriotism.
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists. Again please describe what is English?[/p][/quote]So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF? What planet are you on? The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers? No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.[/p][/quote]Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC. The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either.[/p][/quote]Why have you mentioned skin pigments? They have nothing to do with any of this. Human's place themselves in many groups. It's called 'diversity', and Brighton residents pride themselves on embracing such matters. Why is it, then, that those who place themselves in the 'patriotic' groups face so much anger from those who love 'diversity'? No, 'diversity' seems to mean "things of which I approve" to some Brighton residents. I'm glad you accept that the sole purpose of the UAF is to oppose displays of patriotism. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

12:52pm Tue 29 Apr 14

mhaiti says...

clubrob6 wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF.
Can you offer some evidence of government funding beyond repitition and occassional use of capital letters?

I'd say that most people that comment on here are in no way affiliated to the UAF but they would probably quite like the cause of all the unrest to be managed in a way that it doesn't ruin their weekend plans.

This march is a sham, masquerading as a family parade...predominant
ly attended by men who shout things that are in no way related to St George and wave flags (one of which had EDL Brighton Division on it). That the same tired line that they were just 'celebrating our patron saint' will keep being thrown out...it's obvious that it's not the case. Honestly, just look at their facebook page...it's there..in writing
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF.[/p][/quote]Can you offer some evidence of government funding beyond repitition and occassional use of capital letters? I'd say that most people that comment on here are in no way affiliated to the UAF but they would probably quite like the cause of all the unrest to be managed in a way that it doesn't ruin their weekend plans. This march is a sham, masquerading as a family parade...predominant ly attended by men who shout things that are in no way related to St George and wave flags (one of which had EDL Brighton Division on it). That the same tired line that they were just 'celebrating our patron saint' will keep being thrown out...it's obvious that it's not the case. Honestly, just look at their facebook page...it's there..in writing mhaiti
  • Score: 15

12:56pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.
Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.
The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going.

The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them).

I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday.

No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill![/p][/quote]So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.[/p][/quote]Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.[/p][/quote]The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going. The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them). I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday. No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -8

1:01pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 14

1:02pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mhaiti wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
mhaiti wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF.
Can you offer some evidence of government funding beyond repitition and occassional use of capital letters?

I'd say that most people that comment on here are in no way affiliated to the UAF but they would probably quite like the cause of all the unrest to be managed in a way that it doesn't ruin their weekend plans.

This march is a sham, masquerading as a family parade...predominant

ly attended by men who shout things that are in no way related to St George and wave flags (one of which had EDL Brighton Division on it). That the same tired line that they were just 'celebrating our patron saint' will keep being thrown out...it's obvious that it's not the case. Honestly, just look at their facebook page...it's there..in writing
But only St George-related flags and insignia were allowed. That was one of the conditions laid down by the Sussex Police in the weeks before the march. So, the only thing which could possibly be displayed by the marchers was their love of their country.

It used to be a family day out. The UAF ended that. Anyone who is falsely screamed at has a right to reply. This is England. We have rights.

The Facebook posts show how upset the marchers were at the filth they encountered. Don't you people have showers? And what about the rubbish the protesters left? The pavements were a mess.

If you want to post your ignorance and bigotry in public, feel free to do so.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]That's what the UAF want,to stop freedom of speech by force.They attend numerous of events around the country just to cause trouble,there newest target is UKIP.But I do agree the cause is the march itself but the trouble is caused by groups like the government funded UAF.[/p][/quote]Can you offer some evidence of government funding beyond repitition and occassional use of capital letters? I'd say that most people that comment on here are in no way affiliated to the UAF but they would probably quite like the cause of all the unrest to be managed in a way that it doesn't ruin their weekend plans. This march is a sham, masquerading as a family parade...predominant ly attended by men who shout things that are in no way related to St George and wave flags (one of which had EDL Brighton Division on it). That the same tired line that they were just 'celebrating our patron saint' will keep being thrown out...it's obvious that it's not the case. Honestly, just look at their facebook page...it's there..in writing[/p][/quote]But only St George-related flags and insignia were allowed. That was one of the conditions laid down by the Sussex Police in the weeks before the march. So, the only thing which could possibly be displayed by the marchers was their love of their country. It used to be a family day out. The UAF ended that. Anyone who is falsely screamed at has a right to reply. This is England. We have rights. The Facebook posts show how upset the marchers were at the filth they encountered. Don't you people have showers? And what about the rubbish the protesters left? The pavements were a mess. If you want to post your ignorance and bigotry in public, feel free to do so. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -13

1:03pm Tue 29 Apr 14

mhaiti says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.
Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.
The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going. The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them). I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday. No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems.
That's a bit simplistic, no?

Even you must be able to see that one man on a motorbike with a couple of St George's crosses on it is vastly different to 150 predominantly male, predominantly shaven headed, many wearing casuals clothing, people standing en masse waving St George's crosses and shouting?

Maybe you've picked the wrong crowd to celebrate St George's day with if you were offended at being labelled a fascist on Sunday...they're all giving you a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill![/p][/quote]So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.[/p][/quote]Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.[/p][/quote]The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going. The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them). I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday. No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems.[/p][/quote]That's a bit simplistic, no? Even you must be able to see that one man on a motorbike with a couple of St George's crosses on it is vastly different to 150 predominantly male, predominantly shaven headed, many wearing casuals clothing, people standing en masse waving St George's crosses and shouting? Maybe you've picked the wrong crowd to celebrate St George's day with if you were offended at being labelled a fascist on Sunday...they're all giving you a bad name. mhaiti
  • Score: 10

1:05pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

1:09pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mhaiti wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill!
So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.
Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.
The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going. The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them). I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday. No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems.
That's a bit simplistic, no?

Even you must be able to see that one man on a motorbike with a couple of St George's crosses on it is vastly different to 150 predominantly male, predominantly shaven headed, many wearing casuals clothing, people standing en masse waving St George's crosses and shouting?

Maybe you've picked the wrong crowd to celebrate St George's day with if you were offended at being labelled a fascist on Sunday...they're all giving you a bad name.
The only difference was the presence of the protesters who turned up mob-handed because they were too cowardly to come singly and challenge me on the Wednesday.

I am a similar age to most of the marchers, and my hair is very close cropped. I was also on Wednesday dressed in casual clothes, just like the marchers. I was far more smartly dressed on the Sunday. I'm also male.

I had no choice about who I marched with on Sunday. I knew I'd be surrounded by fellow patriots, and that was good enough for me.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: For crying out loud ... this has nothing to do with Marching for England or standing up against Fascism. It is an annual kickfest that should be moved to the Racehill![/p][/quote]So you accept that the UAF are only there for the violence.[/p][/quote]Both the MfE and the UAF are there for an annual kickfest. Both groups are equally despicable, equally intolerant and equally to be disparaged.[/p][/quote]The MFE pages are full of posts, but I have yet to see any espousing violence as their reason for going. The MFE were there to celebrate ( I know, because I was among them). I was also in Brighton on St George's Day. I had two England flags on my motorcycle's rear-view mirrors, and I was parked right there on the seafront by Palace Pier. Many people walked past whilst I was taking pictures - not one person expressed any anger at my presence with those flags. I returned to basically the same spot on Sunday waving another of my flags, and there was a crowd of thugs screaming abuse at me for doing exactly the same thing three day's previously. So what was the difference? If I was a fascist on Sunday, then I was obviously a fascist on Wednesday. No, the UAF are the ones who cause the problems.[/p][/quote]That's a bit simplistic, no? Even you must be able to see that one man on a motorbike with a couple of St George's crosses on it is vastly different to 150 predominantly male, predominantly shaven headed, many wearing casuals clothing, people standing en masse waving St George's crosses and shouting? Maybe you've picked the wrong crowd to celebrate St George's day with if you were offended at being labelled a fascist on Sunday...they're all giving you a bad name.[/p][/quote]The only difference was the presence of the protesters who turned up mob-handed because they were too cowardly to come singly and challenge me on the Wednesday. I am a similar age to most of the marchers, and my hair is very close cropped. I was also on Wednesday dressed in casual clothes, just like the marchers. I was far more smartly dressed on the Sunday. I'm also male. I had no choice about who I marched with on Sunday. I knew I'd be surrounded by fellow patriots, and that was good enough for me. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -10

1:11pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 5

1:13pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Bugzy84 says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists.
Again please describe what is English?
So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF?

What planet are you on?

The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers?

No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.
Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC.

The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either.
Why have you mentioned skin pigments? They have nothing to do with any of this.

Human's place themselves in many groups. It's called 'diversity', and Brighton residents pride themselves on embracing such matters.

Why is it, then, that those who place themselves in the 'patriotic' groups face so much anger from those who love 'diversity'?

No, 'diversity' seems to mean "things of which I approve" to some Brighton residents.

I'm glad you accept that the sole purpose of the UAF is to oppose displays of patriotism.
the same reason I mentioned magical beings, it's completely unimportant and unnecessary just like the UAF, MFE and all the other groups that get pigeon holed by society, nationalists, atheists, liberals, English, French, Chinese etc etc
Without them humanity would get on a lot better.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]From the Nazi salutes and verbal insults it didn't seem to have much focus on St George, maybe they should rename to "St George's March" and they won't be harassed as racist, homophobic and fascists. Again please describe what is English?[/p][/quote]So a name change would be acceptable to the UAF? What planet are you on? The verbal insults were an understandable response to abuse from the UAF, who levelled false accusations against the marchers. There was no racism on display, and anything of that nature would have been dealt with. Was anyone charged with racially-aggravated offences among the marchers? No, the protesters were there for the aggro, and fortunately, some of them received it.[/p][/quote]Earth last time I checked, a planet divided but stupid things like the pigment of skin, what magical being you believe in or where you live on it and as sarcasm is lost on you it seems I better point it out, I AM BEING SARCASTIC. The simple fact is without the MFE coming to brighton the UAF have no purpose being here either.[/p][/quote]Why have you mentioned skin pigments? They have nothing to do with any of this. Human's place themselves in many groups. It's called 'diversity', and Brighton residents pride themselves on embracing such matters. Why is it, then, that those who place themselves in the 'patriotic' groups face so much anger from those who love 'diversity'? No, 'diversity' seems to mean "things of which I approve" to some Brighton residents. I'm glad you accept that the sole purpose of the UAF is to oppose displays of patriotism.[/p][/quote]the same reason I mentioned magical beings, it's completely unimportant and unnecessary just like the UAF, MFE and all the other groups that get pigeon holed by society, nationalists, atheists, liberals, English, French, Chinese etc etc Without them humanity would get on a lot better. Bugzy84
  • Score: 4

1:19pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Mark63 says...

It should be banned on violent intent, extreme views and racist wiewpoints alone! Being in town on Sunday was like dodgy feral kids or a pack of wolves - menacing and unwanted. We were almost locked into a store at one point... Why should the good citizens of this city have to put up with that?!
It should be banned on violent intent, extreme views and racist wiewpoints alone! Being in town on Sunday was like dodgy feral kids or a pack of wolves - menacing and unwanted. We were almost locked into a store at one point... Why should the good citizens of this city have to put up with that?! Mark63
  • Score: 10

1:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Spirali says...

tykemison wrote:
Monkeymoo1 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts
I have not commented on any of the events on sunday but jeez argus, get a grip, what a pathetically sensationalist article, people cowering in the aisles, terrified!! Not exactly syria was it, few people luzzing chairs, but hey ho, keep dragging this out.
I was inside Infinity Foods at the time, no-one was "cowering in the aisles", that's blatantly untrue. Neither did anyone seem "terrified", more disappointed that this was happening.
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monkeymoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]You are the first person who has ever accused the Argus of printing facts[/p][/quote]I have not commented on any of the events on sunday but jeez argus, get a grip, what a pathetically sensationalist article, people cowering in the aisles, terrified!! Not exactly syria was it, few people luzzing chairs, but hey ho, keep dragging this out.[/p][/quote]I was inside Infinity Foods at the time, no-one was "cowering in the aisles", that's blatantly untrue. Neither did anyone seem "terrified", more disappointed that this was happening. Spirali
  • Score: 5

2:00pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over.
The UAF are 'trying' to turn this violent?! Are you certain about that? As I'm sorry but FACTS show that on the first year there was a counter protest the only person to be convicted of assault was a member of MfE. And then the following Monday right wings group came back for a 'revenge attack'. Ever since that year there has been nothing but threats of violence aimed at us Brighton residents by those in MfE and other right wing groups. All year round the threats of violence is issued on line ...just go onto FB and look at the EDL pages and MfE page!
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over.[/p][/quote]The UAF are 'trying' to turn this violent?! Are you certain about that? As I'm sorry but FACTS show that on the first year there was a counter protest the only person to be convicted of assault was a member of MfE. And then the following Monday right wings group came back for a 'revenge attack'. Ever since that year there has been nothing but threats of violence aimed at us Brighton residents by those in MfE and other right wing groups. All year round the threats of violence is issued on line ...just go onto FB and look at the EDL pages and MfE page! Shaddow
  • Score: 8

2:14pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Withdean-er says...

Both sides are bad as each other. Criminal thugs. It's strange how Caroline Lucas, the GMB rep and others counter-protested without throwing objects, which shows it can be done within the law ..... but the usual CRIMINAL rent a mob of those of the anarchist violent persuasion turned up to commit violence. They are just as scummy as any violent right wing thugs. They purport to be supporters of tolerance and democracy, but want (hiding in a cowardly mob) to hurt and maim anyone of the opposite end of the spectrum. Not tolerant or democratic in the slightest = hypocrites, as well as criminals.
Both sides are bad as each other. Criminal thugs. It's strange how Caroline Lucas, the GMB rep and others counter-protested without throwing objects, which shows it can be done within the law ..... but the usual CRIMINAL rent a mob of those of the anarchist violent persuasion turned up to commit violence. They are just as scummy as any violent right wing thugs. They purport to be supporters of tolerance and democracy, but want (hiding in a cowardly mob) to hurt and maim anyone of the opposite end of the spectrum. Not tolerant or democratic in the slightest = hypocrites, as well as criminals. Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

2:22pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
Correct.

The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously?

And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight?

This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence.

The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business.

I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status.

The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.
Nationalists were drinking in the Dorset (lovely pub) ...it was a Nationalist filming it ...it was a Nationalist who stated 'oh no it's our guys who's started it' at the same time as a table is then flung towards a young lady who was on the anti side. Are you seriously suggesting that someone from the anti protest side went over and stood in line with the Nationalists and then proceeded to fling the table towards this young lady who was just stood there doing nothing?

It reminds me of last year when MfE/EDL stated it was the anti protesters that threw a glass bottle at a crowd stood outside a gay venue. The drag queen who was stood outside and my friend who was stood outside and got struck with the bottle swear that is was a group of right wing blokes but you would probably argue against that and state that if UAF didn't show up then that far right group wouldn't have attacked a gay venue which had bugger all to do with the actual protest that was taking place.

There is also an article in VICE where by the reporter and camera man were assaulted by a guy ...who funny enough was right wing. He was arrested and yes photos were taken.

Unfortunately the police are only taking into account the violence that occurs on the actual day of this 'family' event. I would actually like them to look at the reports made to police regarding far right groups from the Saturday right through to Sunday evening. Perhaps then the police would reconsider their 'not violent enough' position.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]Correct. The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously? And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight? This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence. The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business. I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status. The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.[/p][/quote]Nationalists were drinking in the Dorset (lovely pub) ...it was a Nationalist filming it ...it was a Nationalist who stated 'oh no it's our guys who's started it' at the same time as a table is then flung towards a young lady who was on the anti side. Are you seriously suggesting that someone from the anti protest side went over and stood in line with the Nationalists and then proceeded to fling the table towards this young lady who was just stood there doing nothing? It reminds me of last year when MfE/EDL stated it was the anti protesters that threw a glass bottle at a crowd stood outside a gay venue. The drag queen who was stood outside and my friend who was stood outside and got struck with the bottle swear that is was a group of right wing blokes but you would probably argue against that and state that if UAF didn't show up then that far right group wouldn't have attacked a gay venue which had bugger all to do with the actual protest that was taking place. There is also an article in VICE where by the reporter and camera man were assaulted by a guy ...who funny enough was right wing. He was arrested and yes photos were taken. Unfortunately the police are only taking into account the violence that occurs on the actual day of this 'family' event. I would actually like them to look at the reports made to police regarding far right groups from the Saturday right through to Sunday evening. Perhaps then the police would reconsider their 'not violent enough' position. Shaddow
  • Score: 5

3:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over.
The UAF are 'trying' to turn this violent?! Are you certain about that? As I'm sorry but FACTS show that on the first year there was a counter protest the only person to be convicted of assault was a member of MfE. And then the following Monday right wings group came back for a 'revenge attack'. Ever since that year there has been nothing but threats of violence aimed at us Brighton residents by those in MfE and other right wing groups. All year round the threats of violence is issued on line ...just go onto FB and look at the EDL pages and MfE page!
What form do those threats take?
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here both sides have the violent extremist element,but the UAF are trying to turn this event violent so it does get banned.This group I call Unite Against Freedom travels the country causing violence at any event they attend even UKIP events.Unfortunately this group has been took over.[/p][/quote]The UAF are 'trying' to turn this violent?! Are you certain about that? As I'm sorry but FACTS show that on the first year there was a counter protest the only person to be convicted of assault was a member of MfE. And then the following Monday right wings group came back for a 'revenge attack'. Ever since that year there has been nothing but threats of violence aimed at us Brighton residents by those in MfE and other right wing groups. All year round the threats of violence is issued on line ...just go onto FB and look at the EDL pages and MfE page![/p][/quote]What form do those threats take? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

3:52pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.
Correct.

The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously?

And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight?

This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence.

The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business.

I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status.

The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.
Nationalists were drinking in the Dorset (lovely pub) ...it was a Nationalist filming it ...it was a Nationalist who stated 'oh no it's our guys who's started it' at the same time as a table is then flung towards a young lady who was on the anti side. Are you seriously suggesting that someone from the anti protest side went over and stood in line with the Nationalists and then proceeded to fling the table towards this young lady who was just stood there doing nothing?

It reminds me of last year when MfE/EDL stated it was the anti protesters that threw a glass bottle at a crowd stood outside a gay venue. The drag queen who was stood outside and my friend who was stood outside and got struck with the bottle swear that is was a group of right wing blokes but you would probably argue against that and state that if UAF didn't show up then that far right group wouldn't have attacked a gay venue which had bugger all to do with the actual protest that was taking place.

There is also an article in VICE where by the reporter and camera man were assaulted by a guy ...who funny enough was right wing. He was arrested and yes photos were taken.

Unfortunately the police are only taking into account the violence that occurs on the actual day of this 'family' event. I would actually like them to look at the reports made to police regarding far right groups from the Saturday right through to Sunday evening. Perhaps then the police would reconsider their 'not violent enough' position.
We have no idea who threw that first table outside the Dorset, but we DO know who was threatening those guys outside it, and we DO know that people respond to threats.

Quit making excuses for the UAF thugs who turned up purely for the aggro.,
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: WHY DOES THE ARGUS PRINT THE FACTS instead of giving the impression that its the MFE that causes the troubles at these events,yes both sides have that element BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS CARRIED OUT BY THE UAF.[/p][/quote]Correct. The figures speak for themselves. Does anyone seriously think that a band of 150 will 'take on' a crowd of 1500? Seriously? And the marchers turned up for a celebration, whereas the protesters turned up to oppose and possibly prevent it happening. Which do you think of those two sides will be itching for a fight? This was highlighted in events after the march had ended. There was no longer a march to oppose......so why didn't the protesters simply melt away and enjoy the city? Oh no, they were there to attack anyone who had been marching, no matter when that opportunity occurred, and the best time for that was when it had ended. I witnessed several confrontations outside one pub by the station. The protesters were outside (faced by police) waiting for any marchers (or anyone who looked like they were) to cause violence. The police did an excellent job, and they are right to state that the march will not be banned for relatively acts. Any local shopkeepers who lost out would do well to send a bill to the various UAF groups (especially the one which is 'proud' based in Brighton, because it was THEY who were responsible for any lost of business. I fully accept that some in the march were prepared for aggro, because I was among them, but the vast majority of them were there for a giggle, a beer and a sing-song about their pride in being English. One of the songs ("You're not English anymore!!") was directed at the protesters, who clearly don't value their nation or their status as subjects of Her Majesty. They seem unaware that millions of people around the globe crave that status. The Argus is clearly biased against the marchers. One story's headline referred to 'MFE fight' outside The Dorset. The MFE had nothing to do with it. It had ended, for a start, and the video shows that it was the protesters who were causing the disturbance.[/p][/quote]Nationalists were drinking in the Dorset (lovely pub) ...it was a Nationalist filming it ...it was a Nationalist who stated 'oh no it's our guys who's started it' at the same time as a table is then flung towards a young lady who was on the anti side. Are you seriously suggesting that someone from the anti protest side went over and stood in line with the Nationalists and then proceeded to fling the table towards this young lady who was just stood there doing nothing? It reminds me of last year when MfE/EDL stated it was the anti protesters that threw a glass bottle at a crowd stood outside a gay venue. The drag queen who was stood outside and my friend who was stood outside and got struck with the bottle swear that is was a group of right wing blokes but you would probably argue against that and state that if UAF didn't show up then that far right group wouldn't have attacked a gay venue which had bugger all to do with the actual protest that was taking place. There is also an article in VICE where by the reporter and camera man were assaulted by a guy ...who funny enough was right wing. He was arrested and yes photos were taken. Unfortunately the police are only taking into account the violence that occurs on the actual day of this 'family' event. I would actually like them to look at the reports made to police regarding far right groups from the Saturday right through to Sunday evening. Perhaps then the police would reconsider their 'not violent enough' position.[/p][/quote]We have no idea who threw that first table outside the Dorset, but we DO know who was threatening those guys outside it, and we DO know that people respond to threats. Quit making excuses for the UAF thugs who turned up purely for the aggro., ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.[/p][/quote]Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

4:34pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Anyone doubting that MfE is EDL under another name has the option of checking the far-right blog casuals united. You might want to wash your eyes after as it's not exactly family friendly.
Not that the choice of site for the march isn't addressed by the Chief Inspector in his statement- probably because it's indefensible.
Anyone doubting that MfE is EDL under another name has the option of checking the far-right blog casuals united. You might want to wash your eyes after as it's not exactly family friendly. Not that the choice of site for the march isn't addressed by the Chief Inspector in his statement- probably because it's indefensible. Arrggh
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

hoveguyactually says...

Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be? hoveguyactually
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Tue 29 Apr 14

the red head says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day.

If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day?

No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.
Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day. If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day? No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.[/p][/quote]Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl? the red head
  • Score: 7

6:01pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police? Arrggh
  • Score: 5

7:56pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?
I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.[/p][/quote]Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?[/p][/quote]I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

the red head wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day.

If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day?

No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.
Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl?
Wow.....so much ignorance!!

OK, let's deal with the facts.

SGD is celebrated across the country in parades that don't always occur on the day itself.

Ask your local scout group when theirs happened.

St Patrick's Day is now a week of celebrations. I don't' see anyone in Ireland, England or the USA complaining about that.

SGD celebrations are open to all those who see England as their country. There is nothing to stop Afro-Caribbeans or Asians joining in.

There isn't a set formula for a SGD celebration. It can take any form those involved choose.

The UAF doesn't have the sole right to grant the right to a SGD celebration. No-one to my knowledge asked its permission.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day. If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day? No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.[/p][/quote]Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl?[/p][/quote]Wow.....so much ignorance!! OK, let's deal with the facts. SGD is celebrated across the country in parades that don't always occur on the day itself. Ask your local scout group when theirs happened. St Patrick's Day is now a week of celebrations. I don't' see anyone in Ireland, England or the USA complaining about that. SGD celebrations are open to all those who see England as their country. There is nothing to stop Afro-Caribbeans or Asians joining in. There isn't a set formula for a SGD celebration. It can take any form those involved choose. The UAF doesn't have the sole right to grant the right to a SGD celebration. No-one to my knowledge asked its permission. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

8:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?
I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.
Your actual comment was:

"There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton,"

You now admit that you lied about that.

Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing?
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.[/p][/quote]Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?[/p][/quote]I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.[/p][/quote]Your actual comment was: "There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton," You now admit that you lied about that. Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

8:08pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
The Argus has an agenda, obviously.

There was precious little violence caused by the marchers during the march. The police have indicated that the violence which occurred later was largely caused by those opposed to the march.

You see the problem, there? The march was actually peaceful, so there is no reason to ban it.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]The Argus has an agenda, obviously. There was precious little violence caused by the marchers during the march. The police have indicated that the violence which occurred later was largely caused by those opposed to the march. You see the problem, there? The march was actually peaceful, so there is no reason to ban it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

8:26pm Tue 29 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

Peaceful marches can be held on the Racehill!
Peaceful marches can be held on the Racehill! mimseycal
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 4

8:47pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?
I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.
Your actual comment was:

"There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton,"

You now admit that you lied about that.

Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing?
No I didn't, anyone is free to read the Facebook page, and to me the comments are overall negative and veiled attacks against Brighton and its people. As for some of tge groups that associate with the march, like tge casuals et al, well it all speaks for itself. I'm out of here, its starting to resemble a primary school playground.Now people can make their own minds up and thankfully the vast majority want it moved or banned.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.[/p][/quote]Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?[/p][/quote]I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.[/p][/quote]Your actual comment was: "There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton," You now admit that you lied about that. Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing?[/p][/quote]No I didn't, anyone is free to read the Facebook page, and to me the comments are overall negative and veiled attacks against Brighton and its people. As for some of tge groups that associate with the march, like tge casuals et al, well it all speaks for itself. I'm out of here, its starting to resemble a primary school playground.Now people can make their own minds up and thankfully the vast majority want it moved or banned. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 2

8:50pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Andy R wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion!
Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes.
(On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state)
Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble
I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march.

The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint.

At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere.

The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?
The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".
"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton."

Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.
Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.
But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton.

The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place.

Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.
There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that.

The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else.

I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.
Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?
I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.
Your actual comment was:

"There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton,"

You now admit that you lied about that.

Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing?
No I didn't, anyone is free to read the Facebook page, and to me the comments are overall negative and veiled attacks against Brighton and its people. As for some of tge groups that associate with the march, like tge casuals et al, well it all speaks for itself. I'm out of here, its starting to resemble a primary school playground.Now people can make their own minds up and thankfully the vast majority want it moved or banned.
You lied.

You stated:

" "There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton,"

and when asked for a couple of examples, you were forced to admit that there weren't any when you stated:

"I didn't say threats just dubious comments"

You can wriggle all you like, but no-one posted anything attacking Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: The event should be banned, they are clearly a hate group masquerading as 'nationalist' plus what British culture are they protesting about? British culture is influenced from cultures all around the world, look at the Pavilion! Saying that, parts of the UAF are just as bad by attacking and a load of them looked like the drugged up unwashed hippy stereotypes. (On a side note: after protesting please use the bins, the UAF area was left in a disgraceful state) Unlike all the other festivals, events and protests this one does not contribute ANYTHING positive to OUR city, ban it so neither side can cause trouble[/p][/quote]I'm staggered by the ignorance of some of the people discussing this march. The MFE was created to protest about anything. It was a celebration of England's patron saint. At least you've noticed that the UAF were indeed a bunch of thugs who care so little about Brighton that they were prepared to leave a mess everywhere. The positive contribution to the city lies in the fact that the MFE is yet another sign of the diversity which so many of the residents seem to applaud. Or does diversity only refer to things which aren't English?[/p][/quote]The unintentional positive says it all. The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton. This is clear from all the social media chatter which precedes the march every year. They hate everyhing that is good about Brighton. It's a hate march pure and simple - it most certainly isnt "a little parade to celebrate England's patron saint". No-one outside of the march itself even tries to argue that anymore. Maybe you need to talk to Sussex Police as well, as they see policing the march as "facilitating a protest".[/p][/quote]"The purpose of MfE certainly IS to protest. They're protesting against Brighton." Among some serious opposition, this has to be without doubt the moist stupid comment I've seen written about the march.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the MFE facebook page plenty of messages against Brighton and the people who live here and to top it all off the MFE published an article ridiculing Brighton on the day of the march which brought many dubious comments against the city.[/p][/quote]But the match wasn't a protest against the city of Brighton. The Daily Mail article which MFE linked was an a attack on how stupid the Greens are and how they are making a mess of the place. Thank you for proving that you didn't even bother to read it in your haste to attack the MFE organisers.[/p][/quote]There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton, you can not deny that. The way is see it this day is like flies around a dog turd, bin the dog turd and the flies go away. Or at least move the dog turd to a part of the seafront that doesn't effect everyone else. I'm not a supporter of either side but have had my trips across our city ruined on too many occasions, this time my little boy missed out on half his mates birthday party, might not seem like much to you but to a 5 year old its a big deal.[/p][/quote]Can you quote a couple of threats against the city of Brighton from that page?[/p][/quote]I didn't say threats just dubious comments, the tone is not exactly positive. You come here (the vast majority of both sides) from outside Brighton as you know it will cause a reaction. By the mood I'm picking up from politicians, business leaders and the people of Brighton, that looks like your last march on that part of the seafront, we have had enough.[/p][/quote]Your actual comment was: "There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton," You now admit that you lied about that. Why is it that those opposed to the march have to resort to lying about what the march is for and what the marchers are doing?[/p][/quote]No I didn't, anyone is free to read the Facebook page, and to me the comments are overall negative and veiled attacks against Brighton and its people. As for some of tge groups that associate with the march, like tge casuals et al, well it all speaks for itself. I'm out of here, its starting to resemble a primary school playground.Now people can make their own minds up and thankfully the vast majority want it moved or banned.[/p][/quote]You lied. You stated: " "There are still lots of comments on the MFE page attacking Brighton," and when asked for a couple of examples, you were forced to admit that there weren't any when you stated: "I didn't say threats just dubious comments" You can wriggle all you like, but no-one posted anything attacking Brighton. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

8:51pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

8:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors?

In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has.

There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing.

This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides.

So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand.

I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have.[/p][/quote]You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors? In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has. There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing. This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides. So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand. I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

9:08pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it?

https://www.facebook
.com/photo.php?fbid=
10151552512686683&se
t=a.172691591682.123
240.172540236682&typ
e=1&theater

https://www.facebook
.com/photo.php?fbid=
10151481803626683&se
t=a.172691591682.123
240.172540236682&typ
e=1&theater

As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting....

Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!!

Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys

The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE.
How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it? https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151552512686683&se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682&typ e=1&theater https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151481803626683&se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682&typ e=1&theater As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting.... Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!! Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE. Shaddow
  • Score: 3

9:10pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it?

https://www.facebook

.com/photo.php?fbid=

10151552512686683&am
p;se
t=a.172691591682.123

240.172540236682&amp
;typ
e=1&theater

https://www.facebook

.com/photo.php?fbid=

10151481803626683&am
p;se
t=a.172691591682.123

240.172540236682&amp
;typ
e=1&theater

As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting....

Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!!

Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys

The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE.
The links won't open.

The posts in question were referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton.

Must try harder!
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it? https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151552512686683&am p;se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682& ;typ e=1&theater https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151481803626683&am p;se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682& ;typ e=1&theater As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting.... Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!! Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE.[/p][/quote]The links won't open. The posts in question were referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton. Must try harder! ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

9:11pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Saltdean Resident says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors?

In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has.

There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing.

This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides.

So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand.

I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.
I don't have a problem with your march, we live in a democracy. It's where you have it and all the other problems it brings. Move it to another part of the city where businesses and the majority of the population won't be affected. You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have.[/p][/quote]You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors? In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has. There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing. This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides. So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand. I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.[/p][/quote]I don't have a problem with your march, we live in a democracy. It's where you have it and all the other problems it brings. Move it to another part of the city where businesses and the majority of the population won't be affected. You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 4

9:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors?

In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has.

There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing.

This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides.

So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand.

I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.
No people didn't pay you any attention to you even with the flags on your bike (which I have to say nice bike). Reason for this ...you don't spend the year stating how it is you're going to come down to Brighton and '**** up some red scum'. You also whilst out on Wednesday didn't scream any racist or homophobic abuse. You also didn't attack anyone ...throw any fireworks at a gay venue ...throw any glass bottles at a gay venue. You also didn't go to Brighton with the intentions of causing any sort of trouble. You came here to enjoy yourself (I would imagine).

The problem is those groups who don't actually do the march but instead roam outside of the march causing trouble and starting violence. Those people are the reason why Brighton residents have such a problem with MfE. Please do remember for two years MfE marched unopposed ...when the EDL started to swell the ranks ...then there was a problem and funny enough that was when the violence also started.

Pompy Dave knows there are racist and homophobes within the MfE 'family' event ...this is why he warned everyone NOT to shout racist or homophobic remarks. Perhaps he should have just kicked those people out of the 'family' event ...instead though they stayed as we see the same faces year in year out. Like the tall broad kid Jamie (can't remember his name) ....do believe he is part of Brighton EDL ...I have heard him on numerous occasions screaming homophobic insults at people ...why has he been allowed to remain?

If this is just about celebrating SGD then why the need for racist and homophobic abuse?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have.[/p][/quote]You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors? In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has. There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing. This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides. So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand. I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.[/p][/quote]No people didn't pay you any attention to you even with the flags on your bike (which I have to say nice bike). Reason for this ...you don't spend the year stating how it is you're going to come down to Brighton and '**** up some red scum'. You also whilst out on Wednesday didn't scream any racist or homophobic abuse. You also didn't attack anyone ...throw any fireworks at a gay venue ...throw any glass bottles at a gay venue. You also didn't go to Brighton with the intentions of causing any sort of trouble. You came here to enjoy yourself (I would imagine). The problem is those groups who don't actually do the march but instead roam outside of the march causing trouble and starting violence. Those people are the reason why Brighton residents have such a problem with MfE. Please do remember for two years MfE marched unopposed ...when the EDL started to swell the ranks ...then there was a problem and funny enough that was when the violence also started. Pompy Dave knows there are racist and homophobes within the MfE 'family' event ...this is why he warned everyone NOT to shout racist or homophobic remarks. Perhaps he should have just kicked those people out of the 'family' event ...instead though they stayed as we see the same faces year in year out. Like the tall broad kid Jamie (can't remember his name) ....do believe he is part of Brighton EDL ...I have heard him on numerous occasions screaming homophobic insults at people ...why has he been allowed to remain? If this is just about celebrating SGD then why the need for racist and homophobic abuse? Shaddow
  • Score: 4

9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors?

In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has.

There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing.

This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides.

So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand.

I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.
I don't have a problem with your march, we live in a democracy. It's where you have it and all the other problems it brings. Move it to another part of the city where businesses and the majority of the population won't be affected. You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all.
The 'other' problems being the UAF who spread violence?

I'll say again for the hard of comprehending, the police dictated the route and location.

"You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all."

Tell that to the UAF.

I managed to do exactly what I wanted on Sunday, thanks to dressing smartly, leaving early, and not being a problem to anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have.[/p][/quote]You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors? In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has. There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing. This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides. So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand. I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.[/p][/quote]I don't have a problem with your march, we live in a democracy. It's where you have it and all the other problems it brings. Move it to another part of the city where businesses and the majority of the population won't be affected. You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all.[/p][/quote]The 'other' problems being the UAF who spread violence? I'll say again for the hard of comprehending, the police dictated the route and location. "You have your day at the seaside we get to go about our own business, that's all." Tell that to the UAF. I managed to do exactly what I wanted on Sunday, thanks to dressing smartly, leaving early, and not being a problem to anyone. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Tue 29 Apr 14

sharpley says...

There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp
ress.com/march-for-e
ngland-fact-file-201
4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists.
There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp ress.com/march-for-e ngland-fact-file-201 4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists. sharpley
  • Score: 10

9:36pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Shaddow wrote:
How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it?

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As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting....

Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!!

Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys

The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE.
The links won't open.

The posts in question were referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton.

Must try harder!
Are you certain you are doing the copy and paste right?

Are you opening a new tab and pasting the link into the top bar before hitting the 'go' button?

As they are working fine on mine.

One of the pictures has been posted numerous times by MfE ....last time was on the 8th October 2013 and the other on the 17th April 2013. All you need to do is go to those dates on the actual page.

As to the 'referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton.' Those comments were made on posts about Brighton. Also how does one tell UAF from non UAF? You do realise that many of the people holding UAF signs are actually just residents of Brighton.

Also the second comment was regarding a 'lefty' ....now that could be anyone. So please tell me again how those threats are not to the city of Brighton ...seeing as they are made on Brighton related SGD posts.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: How about these two MfE posters? I mean it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event now does it? https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151552512686683&am p;am p;se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682& ; ;typ e=1&theater https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151481803626683&am p;am p;se t=a.172691591682.123 240.172540236682& ; ;typ e=1&theater As for actual threats posted on the MfE page itself on a Brighton related posting.... Jonny James Nind Napalm the scum !!! Jacob Bitty Bedlington cant wate for this go get my self a few leftys The of course there are the threats from those that are EDL and who are out supporting MfE.[/p][/quote]The links won't open. The posts in question were referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton. Must try harder![/p][/quote]Are you certain you are doing the copy and paste right? Are you opening a new tab and pasting the link into the top bar before hitting the 'go' button? As they are working fine on mine. One of the pictures has been posted numerous times by MfE ....last time was on the 8th October 2013 and the other on the 17th April 2013. All you need to do is go to those dates on the actual page. As to the 'referring to the scum of the UAF and not to the city of Brighton.' Those comments were made on posts about Brighton. Also how does one tell UAF from non UAF? You do realise that many of the people holding UAF signs are actually just residents of Brighton. Also the second comment was regarding a 'lefty' ....now that could be anyone. So please tell me again how those threats are not to the city of Brighton ...seeing as they are made on Brighton related SGD posts. Shaddow
  • Score: 5

9:40pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

sharpley wrote:
There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp

ress.com/march-for-e

ngland-fact-file-201

4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists.
He will state the link doesn't work and to try again harder babes ....;)
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp ress.com/march-for-e ngland-fact-file-201 4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists.[/p][/quote]He will state the link doesn't work and to try again harder babes ....;) Shaddow
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.
The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.
Don't worry, we have.
You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors?

In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has.

There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing.

This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides.

So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand.

I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.
No people didn't pay you any attention to you even with the flags on your bike (which I have to say nice bike). Reason for this ...you don't spend the year stating how it is you're going to come down to Brighton and '**** up some red scum'. You also whilst out on Wednesday didn't scream any racist or homophobic abuse. You also didn't attack anyone ...throw any fireworks at a gay venue ...throw any glass bottles at a gay venue. You also didn't go to Brighton with the intentions of causing any sort of trouble. You came here to enjoy yourself (I would imagine).

The problem is those groups who don't actually do the march but instead roam outside of the march causing trouble and starting violence. Those people are the reason why Brighton residents have such a problem with MfE. Please do remember for two years MfE marched unopposed ...when the EDL started to swell the ranks ...then there was a problem and funny enough that was when the violence also started.

Pompy Dave knows there are racist and homophobes within the MfE 'family' event ...this is why he warned everyone NOT to shout racist or homophobic remarks. Perhaps he should have just kicked those people out of the 'family' event ...instead though they stayed as we see the same faces year in year out. Like the tall broad kid Jamie (can't remember his name) ....do believe he is part of Brighton EDL ...I have heard him on numerous occasions screaming homophobic insults at people ...why has he been allowed to remain?

If this is just about celebrating SGD then why the need for racist and homophobic abuse?
"which I have to say nice bike"

You are most kind, thank you.

I come down to Brighton quite often, and have never caused anyone any problems on anything. I've been to the Amex this season eight times both as a neutral AND as an away fan seated among the home fans, all of whom knew I was an away supporter, and all of whom were delightful towards me..

I'm a grown man, fgs.

The MFE marchers didn't shout anything racist, mainly because they aren't. I chatted to many both in the pub and on the march, and the general feeling was that not only is the accusation unfounded but that is never explained by the abusers. There is nothing racist about being a patriot. As for the 'fascist' and Nazi' accusations, they aren't founded on anything except ignorance and bigotry.

There are homophobes everywhere. Some of them are actually gay themselves (go figure). It's not a big deal disliking homosexuality -it involves acts which revolt even those who are supportive of gays rights.

I'm not surprised that some Brighton-born people hate homosexuality. They are upset by the reputation the city has as the country's gay capital. Have you noticed that no other city wishes to contest that?

The marchers who did make abusive chants/comments were simply responding to the far worse insults coming from the UAF etc. You cannot shout 'Nazi' at someone in Brighton and not expect to hear something about you being gay or on the dole.

Me? My jaws were aching from smiling so much! I had an absolute ball the entire day, in spite of the two showers. I waved my sodden flag at the protesters throughout.
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: They should march away from commercial areas. The negative impact on ordinary people and traders is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]The route was given to them by Sussex Police. If you have issues with that, contact the police.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we have.[/p][/quote]You do realise, of course, that the police support the march because it means that they can control the visitors? In the early days, the patriots turned up ad hoc, which meant they could basically do what they chose. It also meant that any gangs of UAF could wander round targetting vulnerable patriots (ie a family) in that cowardly fashion the UAF has. There is nothing to stop anyone from anywhere catching the train to Brighton and having a SGD celebration on any day of their choosing. This way, the patriots get to have a celebration and the police get to keep their eye on both sides. So, when the police get back to you and tell you that they'd rather not have a free-for-all, I hope you'll understand. I was in Brighton on Wednesday, celebrating the actual day with my flags on my bike right there by Palace Pier, and no-one paid me any adverse attention.[/p][/quote]No people didn't pay you any attention to you even with the flags on your bike (which I have to say nice bike). Reason for this ...you don't spend the year stating how it is you're going to come down to Brighton and '**** up some red scum'. You also whilst out on Wednesday didn't scream any racist or homophobic abuse. You also didn't attack anyone ...throw any fireworks at a gay venue ...throw any glass bottles at a gay venue. You also didn't go to Brighton with the intentions of causing any sort of trouble. You came here to enjoy yourself (I would imagine). The problem is those groups who don't actually do the march but instead roam outside of the march causing trouble and starting violence. Those people are the reason why Brighton residents have such a problem with MfE. Please do remember for two years MfE marched unopposed ...when the EDL started to swell the ranks ...then there was a problem and funny enough that was when the violence also started. Pompy Dave knows there are racist and homophobes within the MfE 'family' event ...this is why he warned everyone NOT to shout racist or homophobic remarks. Perhaps he should have just kicked those people out of the 'family' event ...instead though they stayed as we see the same faces year in year out. Like the tall broad kid Jamie (can't remember his name) ....do believe he is part of Brighton EDL ...I have heard him on numerous occasions screaming homophobic insults at people ...why has he been allowed to remain? If this is just about celebrating SGD then why the need for racist and homophobic abuse?[/p][/quote]"which I have to say nice bike" You are most kind, thank you. I come down to Brighton quite often, and have never caused anyone any problems on anything. I've been to the Amex this season eight times both as a neutral AND as an away fan seated among the home fans, all of whom knew I was an away supporter, and all of whom were delightful towards me.. I'm a grown man, fgs. The MFE marchers didn't shout anything racist, mainly because they aren't. I chatted to many both in the pub and on the march, and the general feeling was that not only is the accusation unfounded but that is never explained by the abusers. There is nothing racist about being a patriot. As for the 'fascist' and Nazi' accusations, they aren't founded on anything except ignorance and bigotry. There are homophobes everywhere. Some of them are actually gay themselves (go figure). It's not a big deal disliking homosexuality -it involves acts which revolt even those who are supportive of gays rights. I'm not surprised that some Brighton-born people hate homosexuality. They are upset by the reputation the city has as the country's gay capital. Have you noticed that no other city wishes to contest that? The marchers who did make abusive chants/comments were simply responding to the far worse insults coming from the UAF etc. You cannot shout 'Nazi' at someone in Brighton and not expect to hear something about you being gay or on the dole. Me? My jaws were aching from smiling so much! I had an absolute ball the entire day, in spite of the two showers. I waved my sodden flag at the protesters throughout. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -7

9:50pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
sharpley wrote:
There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp


ress.com/march-for-e


ngland-fact-file-201


4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists.
He will state the link doesn't work and to try again harder babes ....;)
So the Casuals are aiming their violence at the protesters, not the City.
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: There's a list of the assorted far right nutjob groups who have been involved in MFE here http://stopmfe.wordp ress.com/march-for-e ngland-fact-file-201 4/ Particularly interesting is the flyer put out by the far right hooligan group Casuals United encouraging people to come to Brighton to "Smash UAF" and "Smash Antifa F**ckers", complete with a picture of a bloke with a hammer in case that wasn't clear enough. The idea that they're just a bunch of peaceful patriots is laughable, and gets more so every year as MFE gets dwindles to its hard core of racists.[/p][/quote]He will state the link doesn't work and to try again harder babes ....;)[/p][/quote]So the Casuals are aiming their violence at the protesters, not the City. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

9:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

This one opened:

https://www.facebook
.com/photo.php?fbid=
10151552512686683&am
p;amp;set=a.17269159
1682.123240.17254023
6682&;type=1&amp
;theater

What's wrong with it?
This one opened: https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151552512686683&am p;amp;set=a.17269159 1682.123240.17254023 6682&;type=1& ;theater What's wrong with it? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

9:56pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

This one works:

https://www.facebook
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;theater

A brilliant poster based on an Iron Maiden album cover.

Again, nothing wrong with it.
This one works: https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151481803626683&am p;amp;set=a.17269159 1682.123240.17254023 6682&;type=1& ;theater A brilliant poster based on an Iron Maiden album cover. Again, nothing wrong with it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:05pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

From the Argus:

https://www.facebook
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HTH
From the Argus: https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10152383033396683&se t=pb.172540236682.-2 207520000.1398805466 .&type=3&theater HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

A threat to Brighton ? Where?

https://www.facebook
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t=pb.172540236682.-2
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A threat to Brighton ? Where? https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10152292775036683&se t=pb.172540236682.-2 207520000.1398805531 .&type=3&theater ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:10pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Thank you I shall. It's time that ordinary people reclaimed their streets from this Jeremy Kyle roadshow. I think we could also have a charity collection as most of those on the march looked pretty poor and could do with some decent shoes and clothing. Some looked homeless. It's no way to represent England. They looked as if they were Romanian migrants.
Thank you I shall. It's time that ordinary people reclaimed their streets from this Jeremy Kyle roadshow. I think we could also have a charity collection as most of those on the march looked pretty poor and could do with some decent shoes and clothing. Some looked homeless. It's no way to represent England. They looked as if they were Romanian migrants. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

10:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Thank you I shall. It's time that ordinary people reclaimed their streets from this Jeremy Kyle roadshow. I think we could also have a charity collection as most of those on the march looked pretty poor and could do with some decent shoes and clothing. Some looked homeless. It's no way to represent England. They looked as if they were Romanian migrants.
Nice bit of anti-Romanian racism, Maxwell. Homeless people looking like Romanians?

Were you there abusing the marchers for being 'racists'?

You disgust me.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Thank you I shall. It's time that ordinary people reclaimed their streets from this Jeremy Kyle roadshow. I think we could also have a charity collection as most of those on the march looked pretty poor and could do with some decent shoes and clothing. Some looked homeless. It's no way to represent England. They looked as if they were Romanian migrants.[/p][/quote]Nice bit of anti-Romanian racism, Maxwell. Homeless people looking like Romanians? Were you there abusing the marchers for being 'racists'? You disgust me. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Valerie Paynter says...

In June 1995 Live Exports ended at the Port of Shoreham. The trade was stopped by th police, who declared they could not police it. There was a constant presence for departures of convoys/transporters of about 150 of us for six months. The very early demos had some violence in them, but later ones absolutely did not. Just noise and scrambling about.

The Live Export demos were daily and expensive for the police. The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence.

The March for England is a hate crime IMHO. And should be banned for that reason.
In June 1995 Live Exports ended at the Port of Shoreham. The trade was stopped by th police, who declared they could not police it. There was a constant presence for departures of convoys/transporters of about 150 of us for six months. The very early demos had some violence in them, but later ones absolutely did not. Just noise and scrambling about. The Live Export demos were daily and expensive for the police. The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence. The March for England is a hate crime IMHO. And should be banned for that reason. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 3

10:25pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
In June 1995 Live Exports ended at the Port of Shoreham. The trade was stopped by th police, who declared they could not police it. There was a constant presence for departures of convoys/transporters of about 150 of us for six months. The very early demos had some violence in them, but later ones absolutely did not. Just noise and scrambling about.

The Live Export demos were daily and expensive for the police. The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence.

The March for England is a hate crime IMHO. And should be banned for that reason.
" The March for England is a hate crime "

Stupid comment.

" The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence. "

It isn't the march that causes the costs. It's the protesters, as you delightfully showed us with the Shoreham protests.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: In June 1995 Live Exports ended at the Port of Shoreham. The trade was stopped by th police, who declared they could not police it. There was a constant presence for departures of convoys/transporters of about 150 of us for six months. The very early demos had some violence in them, but later ones absolutely did not. Just noise and scrambling about. The Live Export demos were daily and expensive for the police. The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence. The March for England is a hate crime IMHO. And should be banned for that reason.[/p][/quote]" The March for England is a hate crime " Stupid comment. " The police could ban this vile march if too many people were on the street as well as violence. " It isn't the march that causes the costs. It's the protesters, as you delightfully showed us with the Shoreham protests. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

10:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE.

You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.[/p][/quote]I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE. You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior.
I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person.
He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.
Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior. I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person. He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views. Arrggh
  • Score: 4

10:37pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
This one opened:

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What's wrong with it?
What is right with it? As I've already stated it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event. Also using stop boots as the picture ...doesn't scream peaceful.

As to your other post. Numerous times it has been stated by Brighton residents that we don't mind you coming to Brighton. As I've also stated numerous times what we the Brighton residents do have a problem with is people within MfE shouting racist abuse and homophobic abuse (e.g. 'go home you **** scum ****' ...yes that was shouted in 2009 as it was shouted just before some **** shouted at me 'oh look at that **** dyke ...you need a real dick love' then grabbed his **** and directed it towards me to which another piped up and shouted 'go **** die you AIDS infected dyke ****' which was what I reported to the police officer).

Also can you please explain to me what the gay scene has to do with the anti protest? Why is it that for numerous years now the night before a demo there are groups of right wing blokes looking for trouble on St James St? (As reported by many door staff working the area). Also why it is quite a few times during the demo in recent years places on the gay scene have been attacked?

It is things like what I've just written which has turned the Brighton residents against MfE.

I've also stated that I don't agree with the violence from those on the left. Until one group backs down though the other won't. Until the threats of violence stop the violence will continue.

So what is the way out ...as we could go on and on and we have gone on and on about both sides engaging in violent acts. We are both grown adults who understand that violence is not a good thing and it's nothing to be proud about. We both know that racist and homophobic abuse is bang out of order. So you tell me ...what can be done to stop the violence and the abuse?

The one idea that has been put forward that I think could actually work is taking the march out of the city centre but not out of Brighton altogether...which I would hope would calm things down. Organise a picnic and truly make it a family event. At least for one year ...see what happens. Hopefully it will end up with the peaceful MfE having a great day out ....and those who do just turn up to the town for trouble will just remain in town and thus be easier for police to spot and stop.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: This one opened: https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151552512686683&am p;am p;amp;set=a.17269159 1682.123240.17254023 6682&;type=1& ; ;theater What's wrong with it?[/p][/quote]What is right with it? As I've already stated it doesn't exactly scream 'family' event. Also using stop boots as the picture ...doesn't scream peaceful. As to your other post. Numerous times it has been stated by Brighton residents that we don't mind you coming to Brighton. As I've also stated numerous times what we the Brighton residents do have a problem with is people within MfE shouting racist abuse and homophobic abuse (e.g. 'go home you **** scum ****' ...yes that was shouted in 2009 as it was shouted just before some **** shouted at me 'oh look at that **** dyke ...you need a real dick love' then grabbed his **** and directed it towards me to which another piped up and shouted 'go **** die you AIDS infected dyke ****' which was what I reported to the police officer). Also can you please explain to me what the gay scene has to do with the anti protest? Why is it that for numerous years now the night before a demo there are groups of right wing blokes looking for trouble on St James St? (As reported by many door staff working the area). Also why it is quite a few times during the demo in recent years places on the gay scene have been attacked? It is things like what I've just written which has turned the Brighton residents against MfE. I've also stated that I don't agree with the violence from those on the left. Until one group backs down though the other won't. Until the threats of violence stop the violence will continue. So what is the way out ...as we could go on and on and we have gone on and on about both sides engaging in violent acts. We are both grown adults who understand that violence is not a good thing and it's nothing to be proud about. We both know that racist and homophobic abuse is bang out of order. So you tell me ...what can be done to stop the violence and the abuse? The one idea that has been put forward that I think could actually work is taking the march out of the city centre but not out of Brighton altogether...which I would hope would calm things down. Organise a picnic and truly make it a family event. At least for one year ...see what happens. Hopefully it will end up with the peaceful MfE having a great day out ....and those who do just turn up to the town for trouble will just remain in town and thus be easier for police to spot and stop. Shaddow
  • Score: 3

10:40pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior.
I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person.
He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.
The facts.

A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you.

The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you.

" I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience"

No, you didn't.

You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you.

You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires?

You sad, pathetic 'man'.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior. I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person. He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.[/p][/quote]The facts. A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you. The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. " I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience" No, you didn't. You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you. You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires? You sad, pathetic 'man'. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

10:40pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE.

You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?
No they don't organise the MfE ...but the numbers coming to Brighton are mainly that of EDL. EDL are accepted on the march ...and are often told to leave their colours at home. They actually make up the majority of those who march.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.[/p][/quote]I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE. You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?[/p][/quote]No they don't organise the MfE ...but the numbers coming to Brighton are mainly that of EDL. EDL are accepted on the march ...and are often told to leave their colours at home. They actually make up the majority of those who march. Shaddow
  • Score: 2

10:43pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE.

You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?
Same people- different name. EDL flags on display and E-E-EDL chanted and all captured on film still available on youtube. Photos of banners in previous years Argus editions. Still maintaining it isn't far-right? How come it gets so much attention on casuals united? Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story.
You responded to a request for help on these threads on MfE fb page- apparently you're doing your best. Bless
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.[/p][/quote]I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE. You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?[/p][/quote]Same people- different name. EDL flags on display and E-E-EDL chanted and all captured on film still available on youtube. Photos of banners in previous years Argus editions. Still maintaining it isn't far-right? How come it gets so much attention on casuals united? Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story. You responded to a request for help on these threads on MfE fb page- apparently you're doing your best. Bless Arrggh
  • Score: 7

10:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE.

You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?
No they don't organise the MfE ...but the numbers coming to Brighton are mainly that of EDL. EDL are accepted on the march ...and are often told to leave their colours at home. They actually make up the majority of those who march.
What exactly IS the EDL in this scenario?

Patriots will follow various groups. I met several people who had marched on EDL events - it doesn't make them 'EDL'.

The police instructed that only MFE/St George/England insignia would be allowed. The marchers complied, AFAIK.
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.[/p][/quote]I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE. You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?[/p][/quote]No they don't organise the MfE ...but the numbers coming to Brighton are mainly that of EDL. EDL are accepted on the march ...and are often told to leave their colours at home. They actually make up the majority of those who march.[/p][/quote]What exactly IS the EDL in this scenario? Patriots will follow various groups. I met several people who had marched on EDL events - it doesn't make them 'EDL'. The police instructed that only MFE/St George/England insignia would be allowed. The marchers complied, AFAIK. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

10:48pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior.
I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person.
He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.
The facts.

A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you.

The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you.

" I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience"

No, you didn't.

You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you.

You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires?

You sad, pathetic 'man'.
I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there.
I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior. I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person. He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.[/p][/quote]The facts. A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you. The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. " I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience" No, you didn't. You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you. You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires? You sad, pathetic 'man'.[/p][/quote]I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there. I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

10:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?
I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online.
MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds.
What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?
"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?
Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not?
Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed.
You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.
I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE.

You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?
Same people- different name. EDL flags on display and E-E-EDL chanted and all captured on film still available on youtube. Photos of banners in previous years Argus editions. Still maintaining it isn't far-right? How come it gets so much attention on casuals united? Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story.
You responded to a request for help on these threads on MfE fb page- apparently you're doing your best. Bless
"Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story."

No, my idea of 'prove' matches that of the OED, viz:

" Demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument:"

You made two claims about what I had said, neither of which YOU admitted existed. You claimed:

That I had claimed to be an expert on sharia - I hadn't,

That I had claimed that sharia law had become part of English Law - I hadn't.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Not violent enough? So why is there another article in the Argus referring to "violent clashes"? How violent does violence have to be?[/p][/quote]I think it was disingenuous of the Chief Inspector to claim that there is some benchmark that has to be achieved. Other events have been cancelled because of threats of violence or likelihood of public disorder- the police visited some of the marchers beforehand because of threats made online. MfE applied to march in other towns and was denied permission on the these grounds. What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?[/p][/quote]"What other public order event costs over three grand per marcher to police?" Dunno.....why not check which events the UAF are threatening to disrupt?[/p][/quote]Can you think of an example of an event with comparable cost or not? Events the UAF are threatening to disrupt- you forget there was a considerable police presence even before the march was opposed. You've repeatedly lied about the march being nothing to do with EDL and accused others of lying when you twist their words.[/p][/quote]I've correctly stated that the EDL doesn't organise the MFE. You re free to show that it was, but proving your claims has been rather difficult for you, hasn't it. You've been proven to have lied twice......do you really think the unsupported claims of a proven liar have any credibility?[/p][/quote]Same people- different name. EDL flags on display and E-E-EDL chanted and all captured on film still available on youtube. Photos of banners in previous years Argus editions. Still maintaining it isn't far-right? How come it gets so much attention on casuals united? Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story. You responded to a request for help on these threads on MfE fb page- apparently you're doing your best. Bless[/p][/quote]"Your idea of proven is to ignore uncomfortable responses and repeat yourself, or change your story." No, my idea of 'prove' matches that of the OED, viz: " Demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument:" You made two claims about what I had said, neither of which YOU admitted existed. You claimed: That I had claimed to be an expert on sharia - I hadn't, That I had claimed that sharia law had become part of English Law - I hadn't. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

10:50pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland.

On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.

In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court.

This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?
The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland. On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles. In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court. This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off? Shaddow
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior.
I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person.
He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.
The facts.

A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you.

The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you.

" I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience"

No, you didn't.

You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you.

You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires?

You sad, pathetic 'man'.
I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there.
I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu.
This debate has been on a public forum. Isn't that public enough for you?

Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?

You've been proven to have lied and been proven to be ignorant......do you wish to add 'proven to be a thug' to that list?
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior. I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person. He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.[/p][/quote]The facts. A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you. The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. " I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience" No, you didn't. You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you. You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires? You sad, pathetic 'man'.[/p][/quote]I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there. I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu.[/p][/quote]This debate has been on a public forum. Isn't that public enough for you? Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant? You've been proven to have lied and been proven to be ignorant......do you wish to add 'proven to be a thug' to that list? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

10:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland.

On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.

In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court.

This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?
The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues.

Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored?

http://hillsborough.
independent.gov.uk/r
epository/media/VID0
002.html
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland. On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles. In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court. This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?[/p][/quote]The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues. Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored? http://hillsborough. independent.gov.uk/r epository/media/VID0 002.html ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

10:55pm Tue 29 Apr 14

PorkyChopper says...

I've got an idea. Next year, the vast majority of B&H residents should form a THIRD group. We should make banners that say "MfE, UAF, EDL, SWP, BNP - STAY AWAY FROM OUR CITY. NONE OF YOU ARE WELCOME. LEAVE US TO GET ON WITH OUR LIVES IN PEACE". Hang them from lamposts and windows ledges along the proposed route. (And put up banners as well, of course. Guffaw!). Form vigilante patrols armed with pickaxe handles and pepper spray and batter any extremist of any persuasion into a bloody pulp, and dump them on the station concourse. There's more of us than them! I think I speak for the vast majority of B&H citizens.
I've got an idea. Next year, the vast majority of B&H residents should form a THIRD group. We should make banners that say "MfE, UAF, EDL, SWP, BNP - STAY AWAY FROM OUR CITY. NONE OF YOU ARE WELCOME. LEAVE US TO GET ON WITH OUR LIVES IN PEACE". Hang them from lamposts and windows ledges along the proposed route. (And put up banners as well, of course. Guffaw!). Form vigilante patrols armed with pickaxe handles and pepper spray and batter any extremist of any persuasion into a bloody pulp, and dump them on the station concourse. There's more of us than them! I think I speak for the vast majority of B&H citizens. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It wasn't racist. It's a statement of fact. Romanians are poor and the uk donates clothing and money to this beleaguered country. It seemed your marchers are wearing the clothes I sent to Romania in 1985.
On a serious note, your marchers actually looked like there were from the poorest sections of British society. It was like a line up of all the blokes who appear on Jeremy Kyle, out of work, kids unpaid for, tattoos, angry, weed habits, bad teeth, drink habits etc
These men are at the poorest end of society and I think that's what is really fuelling your anger and hatred, poverty, unemployment, poor housing, poor health etc
You are so angry about everything and it seems to be eating you up. Love life, be happy.
It wasn't racist. It's a statement of fact. Romanians are poor and the uk donates clothing and money to this beleaguered country. It seemed your marchers are wearing the clothes I sent to Romania in 1985. On a serious note, your marchers actually looked like there were from the poorest sections of British society. It was like a line up of all the blokes who appear on Jeremy Kyle, out of work, kids unpaid for, tattoos, angry, weed habits, bad teeth, drink habits etc These men are at the poorest end of society and I think that's what is really fuelling your anger and hatred, poverty, unemployment, poor housing, poor health etc You are so angry about everything and it seems to be eating you up. Love life, be happy. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 4

10:57pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior.
I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person.
He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.
The facts.

A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you.

The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you.

" I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience"

No, you didn't.

You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you.

You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires?

You sad, pathetic 'man'.
I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there.
I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu.
This debate has been on a public forum. Isn't that public enough for you?

Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?

You've been proven to have lied and been proven to be ignorant......do you wish to add 'proven to be a thug' to that list?
You've proven nothing and no I have absolutely no fear that you would manage to do so with an audience- I will organise the venue if you like you can bring your friends. Surely such a superior specimen is popular.
Why do you think I would lash out? I haven't threatened anyone and I have never in my life hit someone because of 'words'
Bring the entire crowd that appeared on Sunday if you like- I've faced tougher audiences. Put up or shut up.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- aka Gary Schofield, has so far said that 'Brighton should get rid of homos,' Hillisborough was caused by the fans,' all opposing the march hate their country, that the march was nothing to do with the EDL and that he enjoys feeling superior. I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience after he repeatedly accused me of lying- not surprisingly he isn't as confident about debating his views in person. He will be delivering leaflets for UKIP in the area if you want to let him know what you think of him and his views.[/p][/quote]The facts. A poster on here said she wanted to clean up the city. I suggested two groups she should be concerned about with regard to its degradation. I didn't suggest that either should leave, so that's yet another lie from you. The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. " I challenged him to a public debate with a live audience" No, you didn't. You said you wanted to meet to to debate the issues surrounding the march, so that's another lie from you. You've shown that you're unable to debate, so I'm not sure why you want your arse handing to you in public. is it something to do with your masocistic desires? You sad, pathetic 'man'.[/p][/quote]I happily specified- after you claimed these threads amount to a public debate, that I meant with a live audience. Strange that you use the phrase 'arse handed to you' because that's how your performance has been described by others. I repeatedly asked why you wouldn't want to take the chance to educate the public or if you weren't as confident about your superiority with others there. I'll say it again as these things seem to have trouble sinking in- would you like to debate with a live audience? If not- to quote you- stfu.[/p][/quote]This debate has been on a public forum. Isn't that public enough for you? Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant? You've been proven to have lied and been proven to be ignorant......do you wish to add 'proven to be a thug' to that list?[/p][/quote]You've proven nothing and no I have absolutely no fear that you would manage to do so with an audience- I will organise the venue if you like you can bring your friends. Surely such a superior specimen is popular. Why do you think I would lash out? I haven't threatened anyone and I have never in my life hit someone because of 'words' Bring the entire crowd that appeared on Sunday if you like- I've faced tougher audiences. Put up or shut up. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Shaddow wrote:
The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland.

On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.

In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court.

This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?
The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues.

Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored?

http://hillsborough.

independent.gov.uk/r

epository/media/VID0

002.html
Christ even with FACTS presented you still will ignore it ....THE AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE GONE OVER THIS EVIDENCE IN MORE DETAIL THEN YOU CONCLUDED IN THE TAYLOR REPORT THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DISASTER WAS DUE TO POLICE FAULT. Then in 2012 it was concluded that NO LIVERPOOL FAN was responsible for the deaths.

Which bit are you finding hard to swallow? The fact that the Taylor Report concluded that the main reason for the disaster was due to police faults (not the fan's as you keep stating) or that in 2012 it was again stated that there were major failures by various services and again that no fan was responsible for any deaths.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland. On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles. In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court. This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?[/p][/quote]The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues. Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored? http://hillsborough. independent.gov.uk/r epository/media/VID0 002.html[/p][/quote]Christ even with FACTS presented you still will ignore it ....THE AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE GONE OVER THIS EVIDENCE IN MORE DETAIL THEN YOU CONCLUDED IN THE TAYLOR REPORT THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DISASTER WAS DUE TO POLICE FAULT. Then in 2012 it was concluded that NO LIVERPOOL FAN was responsible for the deaths. Which bit are you finding hard to swallow? The fact that the Taylor Report concluded that the main reason for the disaster was due to police faults (not the fan's as you keep stating) or that in 2012 it was again stated that there were major failures by various services and again that no fan was responsible for any deaths. Shaddow
  • Score: 1

11:05pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
It wasn't racist. It's a statement of fact. Romanians are poor and the uk donates clothing and money to this beleaguered country. It seemed your marchers are wearing the clothes I sent to Romania in 1985.
On a serious note, your marchers actually looked like there were from the poorest sections of British society. It was like a line up of all the blokes who appear on Jeremy Kyle, out of work, kids unpaid for, tattoos, angry, weed habits, bad teeth, drink habits etc
These men are at the poorest end of society and I think that's what is really fuelling your anger and hatred, poverty, unemployment, poor housing, poor health etc
You are so angry about everything and it seems to be eating you up. Love life, be happy.
You made a derogatory statement about Romanians as a whole.

That is what 'racism' is.

So now you know you've been misusing it all these years.

Wriggle away all you like.......you made a racist comment, and you've been caught.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: It wasn't racist. It's a statement of fact. Romanians are poor and the uk donates clothing and money to this beleaguered country. It seemed your marchers are wearing the clothes I sent to Romania in 1985. On a serious note, your marchers actually looked like there were from the poorest sections of British society. It was like a line up of all the blokes who appear on Jeremy Kyle, out of work, kids unpaid for, tattoos, angry, weed habits, bad teeth, drink habits etc These men are at the poorest end of society and I think that's what is really fuelling your anger and hatred, poverty, unemployment, poor housing, poor health etc You are so angry about everything and it seems to be eating you up. Love life, be happy.[/p][/quote]You made a derogatory statement about Romanians as a whole. That is what 'racism' is. So now you know you've been misusing it all these years. Wriggle away all you like.......you made a racist comment, and you've been caught. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

11:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Shaddow wrote:
The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland.

On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles.

In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court.

This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?
The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues.

Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored?

http://hillsborough.


independent.gov.uk/r


epository/media/VID0


002.html
Christ even with FACTS presented you still will ignore it ....THE AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE GONE OVER THIS EVIDENCE IN MORE DETAIL THEN YOU CONCLUDED IN THE TAYLOR REPORT THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DISASTER WAS DUE TO POLICE FAULT. Then in 2012 it was concluded that NO LIVERPOOL FAN was responsible for the deaths.

Which bit are you finding hard to swallow? The fact that the Taylor Report concluded that the main reason for the disaster was due to police faults (not the fan's as you keep stating) or that in 2012 it was again stated that there were major failures by various services and again that no fan was responsible for any deaths.
No individual fan was responsible, but Gate C was opened due to the actions of the fans outside..........and for no other reason.
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: The Hillsborough deaths occurred as a result of the crush of fans outside the ground, as proven by the Taylor Report. I wasn't the one who made that claim, so that's another lie from you. ....seriously Gary I don't think you have read the report as the Taylor report concluded that "the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control." The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadiums in England, Wales and Scotland. On the 20th anniversary of the disaster, government minister Andy Burnham called for the police, ambulance and all other public agencies to release documents that had not been made available to Lord Justice Taylor in 1989. This action led to the formation of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which in September 2012 concluded that NO Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths, and that attempts had been made by the authorities to conceal what happened, including the alteration by police of 116 statements relating to the disaster. The facts in the report prompted immediate apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron; the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton; Football Association Chairman David Bernstein; and Kelvin MacKenzie, then-editor of The Sun, for their organisations' respective roles. In September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that up to 41 of the 96 fatalities might have been avoided had they received prompt medical treatment. The report revealed "multiple failures" by other emergency services and public bodies that contributed to the death toll. In response to the panel's report, the Attorney General for England and Wales, Dominic Grieve MP, confirmed he would consider all the new evidence to evaluate whether the original inquest verdicts of accidental death could be overturned. On 19 December 2012, a new inquest was granted in the High Court. This new inquest has only just finished hearing the personal statements of those families of the 96 and here you are sprouting LIES about what the report actually stated. Perhaps you should really learn to research stuff before shouting your mouth off?[/p][/quote]The video outside the ground shows the fans creating a mob rather than orderly queues. Is the latest enquiry going to prove that footage was doctored? http://hillsborough. independent.gov.uk/r epository/media/VID0 002.html[/p][/quote]Christ even with FACTS presented you still will ignore it ....THE AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE GONE OVER THIS EVIDENCE IN MORE DETAIL THEN YOU CONCLUDED IN THE TAYLOR REPORT THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DISASTER WAS DUE TO POLICE FAULT. Then in 2012 it was concluded that NO LIVERPOOL FAN was responsible for the deaths. Which bit are you finding hard to swallow? The fact that the Taylor Report concluded that the main reason for the disaster was due to police faults (not the fan's as you keep stating) or that in 2012 it was again stated that there were major failures by various services and again that no fan was responsible for any deaths.[/p][/quote]No individual fan was responsible, but Gate C was opened due to the actions of the fans outside..........and for no other reason. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

11:07pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

Oh and Gary ...this is from the link you gave me ...show me where it blames the fans?

1. In his Interim report, Lord Justice Taylor found that the immediate cause of the Hillsborough disaster was 'the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull.'

This clip illustrates the serious overcrowding at the Leppings Lane turnstiles which led to the decision to open the exit gates.

2. These scenes are filmed from a Police CCTV camera mounted on the West Stand and pointing towards Leppings Lane.
Fans with tickets for Leppings Lane Terrace entered through Turnstiles A to G seen in the bottom right of the screen.
The time is 2.33pm.

3. This is the build-up of the crowd outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles filmed by the BBC at approximately 2.37pm.
From this confined area over 24,000 fans passed through 23 turnstiles. 10,100 fans had to go through the 7 turnstiles allocated to the Leppings Lane Terrace. This was 1,443 for each turnstile, by far the highest number for any part of the stadium.
At the opposite end, the Spion Kop terrace was twice the size of the Leppings Lane terrace but had six times as many turnstiles.

4. This is the scene in Leppings Lane, beyond the stadium's perimeter gate. The pictures are from a BBC camera.
In his report, Lord Justice Taylor explained that as more spectators arrived at the back of the crowd, the crush at the front intensified. Fans were arriving at a quicker rate than the old turnstiles could cope with. The small outer concourse area between the walls and the fence became packed. This pressure was not unusual at matches with capacity crowds. The crush outside intensified and at approximately 2.40pm, 20 minutes before kick-off, a young boy was removed from the crush. Other fans stood back.

5. At 2.40pm inside the stadium the Leppings Lane central pens, known as 3 and 4, were already very crowded, while the side pens were less than half full.

6. At the turnstiles the situation was serious, described by Lord Justice Taylor as an 'unmanageable crush'.

He stated that fans climbing up and over the turnstile building or on to the dividing fence were escaping the crush rather than gaining free entry as most had tickets.

7. These Police CCTV images begin at 2.44pm. They were recorded in 'time-lapse' mode, hence the poorer quality of the video.

At this time, now 15 minutes before kick-off, Lord Justice Taylor estimated there were 5,000 fans outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles. He stated 'It was clear that the crowd could not pass through the turnstiles by 3pm.' In fact, it was later estimated that it would have taken approximately 40 minutes after kick-off to clear the crowd.

8. At 2.47, Superintendent Marshall, the senior officer responsible for policing the crowd in Leppings Lane, 'realised that the crowd had become unmanageable'. He 'feared fatalities would occur' and 'radioed control to permit the gates to be opened'.

While this request was being considered, Gate C - in the bottom left corner of the picture - was opened to eject a young supporter. Approximately 150 fans entered through the opened gate before it was closed by police.

9. This is the same scene, the first opening of Gate C, from a Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera.

10. This BBC coverage shows Pens 3 and 4 from 2.49pm until 2.52pm.
Both central pens were packed full. Lord Justice Taylor stated that the tunnel beneath the West Stand, which provided the only access to the central pens should have been closed at this point. It was, he remarked, a 'simple' exercise that 'had been carried out in 1988', at the previous year's semi-final.
In the outer concourse, Superintendent Marshall was dealing with the worsening crush. Over the radio he repeated his request for an exit gate to be opened to relieve the pressure. He added that if the gates were not opened someone would be killed.

11. According to Lord Justice Taylor, in the Police Control Room, the overall commander, Chief Superintendent Duckenfield was hesitant. Superintendent Murray asked him "Are you going to open the gates?". Chief Superintendent Duckenfield then gave the order. Sergeant Goddard radioed to "Open the gates"'.

The open Gate C is in the centre-left of the picture.

Lord Justice Taylor found that neither the Club Control room nor any police officers inside the turnstiles were informed that the gates were to be opened. They were also not given any instructions about how to respond and manage the incoming crowd.

Most significantly they were not instructed to close access to the tunnel leading down into Pens 3 and 4 of the Leppings Lane Terrace.

12. A Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera shows the same scene as gate C opens and the fans walk in, most heading straight for the tunnel.

13. Gate C remained open until approximately 2.57pm. It was estimated that 2000 Liverpool fans entered through the gate in the 5 minutes it was open.

Lord Justice Taylor stated 'some found their way either right to pens 1 and 2 or left through the dividing wall to pens 6 and 7. But a large proportion headed straight for the tunnel in front of them.'

He concluded: 'It should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude.'
Oh and Gary ...this is from the link you gave me ...show me where it blames the fans? 1. In his Interim report, Lord Justice Taylor found that the immediate cause of the Hillsborough disaster was 'the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull.' This clip illustrates the serious overcrowding at the Leppings Lane turnstiles which led to the decision to open the exit gates. 2. These scenes are filmed from a Police CCTV camera mounted on the West Stand and pointing towards Leppings Lane. Fans with tickets for Leppings Lane Terrace entered through Turnstiles A to G seen in the bottom right of the screen. The time is 2.33pm. 3. This is the build-up of the crowd outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles filmed by the BBC at approximately 2.37pm. From this confined area over 24,000 fans passed through 23 turnstiles. 10,100 fans had to go through the 7 turnstiles allocated to the Leppings Lane Terrace. This was 1,443 for each turnstile, by far the highest number for any part of the stadium. At the opposite end, the Spion Kop terrace was twice the size of the Leppings Lane terrace but had six times as many turnstiles. 4. This is the scene in Leppings Lane, beyond the stadium's perimeter gate. The pictures are from a BBC camera. In his report, Lord Justice Taylor explained that as more spectators arrived at the back of the crowd, the crush at the front intensified. Fans were arriving at a quicker rate than the old turnstiles could cope with. The small outer concourse area between the walls and the fence became packed. This pressure was not unusual at matches with capacity crowds. The crush outside intensified and at approximately 2.40pm, 20 minutes before kick-off, a young boy was removed from the crush. Other fans stood back. 5. At 2.40pm inside the stadium the Leppings Lane central pens, known as 3 and 4, were already very crowded, while the side pens were less than half full. 6. At the turnstiles the situation was serious, described by Lord Justice Taylor as an 'unmanageable crush'. He stated that fans climbing up and over the turnstile building or on to the dividing fence were escaping the crush rather than gaining free entry as most had tickets. 7. These Police CCTV images begin at 2.44pm. They were recorded in 'time-lapse' mode, hence the poorer quality of the video. At this time, now 15 minutes before kick-off, Lord Justice Taylor estimated there were 5,000 fans outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles. He stated 'It was clear that the crowd could not pass through the turnstiles by 3pm.' In fact, it was later estimated that it would have taken approximately 40 minutes after kick-off to clear the crowd. 8. At 2.47, Superintendent Marshall, the senior officer responsible for policing the crowd in Leppings Lane, 'realised that the crowd had become unmanageable'. He 'feared fatalities would occur' and 'radioed control to permit the gates to be opened'. While this request was being considered, Gate C - in the bottom left corner of the picture - was opened to eject a young supporter. Approximately 150 fans entered through the opened gate before it was closed by police. 9. This is the same scene, the first opening of Gate C, from a Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera. 10. This BBC coverage shows Pens 3 and 4 from 2.49pm until 2.52pm. Both central pens were packed full. Lord Justice Taylor stated that the tunnel beneath the West Stand, which provided the only access to the central pens should have been closed at this point. It was, he remarked, a 'simple' exercise that 'had been carried out in 1988', at the previous year's semi-final. In the outer concourse, Superintendent Marshall was dealing with the worsening crush. Over the radio he repeated his request for an exit gate to be opened to relieve the pressure. He added that if the gates were not opened someone would be killed. 11. According to Lord Justice Taylor, in the Police Control Room, the overall commander, Chief Superintendent Duckenfield was hesitant. Superintendent Murray asked him "Are you going to open the gates?". Chief Superintendent Duckenfield then gave the order. Sergeant Goddard radioed to "Open the gates"'. The open Gate C is in the centre-left of the picture. Lord Justice Taylor found that neither the Club Control room nor any police officers inside the turnstiles were informed that the gates were to be opened. They were also not given any instructions about how to respond and manage the incoming crowd. Most significantly they were not instructed to close access to the tunnel leading down into Pens 3 and 4 of the Leppings Lane Terrace. 12. A Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera shows the same scene as gate C opens and the fans walk in, most heading straight for the tunnel. 13. Gate C remained open until approximately 2.57pm. It was estimated that 2000 Liverpool fans entered through the gate in the 5 minutes it was open. Lord Justice Taylor stated 'some found their way either right to pens 1 and 2 or left through the dividing wall to pens 6 and 7. But a large proportion headed straight for the tunnel in front of them.' He concluded: 'It should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude.' Shaddow
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
Oh and Gary ...this is from the link you gave me ...show me where it blames the fans?

1. In his Interim report, Lord Justice Taylor found that the immediate cause of the Hillsborough disaster was 'the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull.'

This clip illustrates the serious overcrowding at the Leppings Lane turnstiles which led to the decision to open the exit gates.

2. These scenes are filmed from a Police CCTV camera mounted on the West Stand and pointing towards Leppings Lane.
Fans with tickets for Leppings Lane Terrace entered through Turnstiles A to G seen in the bottom right of the screen.
The time is 2.33pm.

3. This is the build-up of the crowd outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles filmed by the BBC at approximately 2.37pm.
From this confined area over 24,000 fans passed through 23 turnstiles. 10,100 fans had to go through the 7 turnstiles allocated to the Leppings Lane Terrace. This was 1,443 for each turnstile, by far the highest number for any part of the stadium.
At the opposite end, the Spion Kop terrace was twice the size of the Leppings Lane terrace but had six times as many turnstiles.

4. This is the scene in Leppings Lane, beyond the stadium's perimeter gate. The pictures are from a BBC camera.
In his report, Lord Justice Taylor explained that as more spectators arrived at the back of the crowd, the crush at the front intensified. Fans were arriving at a quicker rate than the old turnstiles could cope with. The small outer concourse area between the walls and the fence became packed. This pressure was not unusual at matches with capacity crowds. The crush outside intensified and at approximately 2.40pm, 20 minutes before kick-off, a young boy was removed from the crush. Other fans stood back.

5. At 2.40pm inside the stadium the Leppings Lane central pens, known as 3 and 4, were already very crowded, while the side pens were less than half full.

6. At the turnstiles the situation was serious, described by Lord Justice Taylor as an 'unmanageable crush'.

He stated that fans climbing up and over the turnstile building or on to the dividing fence were escaping the crush rather than gaining free entry as most had tickets.

7. These Police CCTV images begin at 2.44pm. They were recorded in 'time-lapse' mode, hence the poorer quality of the video.

At this time, now 15 minutes before kick-off, Lord Justice Taylor estimated there were 5,000 fans outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles. He stated 'It was clear that the crowd could not pass through the turnstiles by 3pm.' In fact, it was later estimated that it would have taken approximately 40 minutes after kick-off to clear the crowd.

8. At 2.47, Superintendent Marshall, the senior officer responsible for policing the crowd in Leppings Lane, 'realised that the crowd had become unmanageable'. He 'feared fatalities would occur' and 'radioed control to permit the gates to be opened'.

While this request was being considered, Gate C - in the bottom left corner of the picture - was opened to eject a young supporter. Approximately 150 fans entered through the opened gate before it was closed by police.

9. This is the same scene, the first opening of Gate C, from a Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera.

10. This BBC coverage shows Pens 3 and 4 from 2.49pm until 2.52pm.
Both central pens were packed full. Lord Justice Taylor stated that the tunnel beneath the West Stand, which provided the only access to the central pens should have been closed at this point. It was, he remarked, a 'simple' exercise that 'had been carried out in 1988', at the previous year's semi-final.
In the outer concourse, Superintendent Marshall was dealing with the worsening crush. Over the radio he repeated his request for an exit gate to be opened to relieve the pressure. He added that if the gates were not opened someone would be killed.

11. According to Lord Justice Taylor, in the Police Control Room, the overall commander, Chief Superintendent Duckenfield was hesitant. Superintendent Murray asked him "Are you going to open the gates?". Chief Superintendent Duckenfield then gave the order. Sergeant Goddard radioed to "Open the gates"'.

The open Gate C is in the centre-left of the picture.

Lord Justice Taylor found that neither the Club Control room nor any police officers inside the turnstiles were informed that the gates were to be opened. They were also not given any instructions about how to respond and manage the incoming crowd.

Most significantly they were not instructed to close access to the tunnel leading down into Pens 3 and 4 of the Leppings Lane Terrace.

12. A Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera shows the same scene as gate C opens and the fans walk in, most heading straight for the tunnel.

13. Gate C remained open until approximately 2.57pm. It was estimated that 2000 Liverpool fans entered through the gate in the 5 minutes it was open.

Lord Justice Taylor stated 'some found their way either right to pens 1 and 2 or left through the dividing wall to pens 6 and 7. But a large proportion headed straight for the tunnel in front of them.'

He concluded: 'It should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude.'
So Taylor pointed out that the fans outside had caused a crush.

No-one made them......they turned up and just kept on walking forward until the police were forced to take the only action they could.

Thanks for that!
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: Oh and Gary ...this is from the link you gave me ...show me where it blames the fans? 1. In his Interim report, Lord Justice Taylor found that the immediate cause of the Hillsborough disaster was 'the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull.' This clip illustrates the serious overcrowding at the Leppings Lane turnstiles which led to the decision to open the exit gates. 2. These scenes are filmed from a Police CCTV camera mounted on the West Stand and pointing towards Leppings Lane. Fans with tickets for Leppings Lane Terrace entered through Turnstiles A to G seen in the bottom right of the screen. The time is 2.33pm. 3. This is the build-up of the crowd outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles filmed by the BBC at approximately 2.37pm. From this confined area over 24,000 fans passed through 23 turnstiles. 10,100 fans had to go through the 7 turnstiles allocated to the Leppings Lane Terrace. This was 1,443 for each turnstile, by far the highest number for any part of the stadium. At the opposite end, the Spion Kop terrace was twice the size of the Leppings Lane terrace but had six times as many turnstiles. 4. This is the scene in Leppings Lane, beyond the stadium's perimeter gate. The pictures are from a BBC camera. In his report, Lord Justice Taylor explained that as more spectators arrived at the back of the crowd, the crush at the front intensified. Fans were arriving at a quicker rate than the old turnstiles could cope with. The small outer concourse area between the walls and the fence became packed. This pressure was not unusual at matches with capacity crowds. The crush outside intensified and at approximately 2.40pm, 20 minutes before kick-off, a young boy was removed from the crush. Other fans stood back. 5. At 2.40pm inside the stadium the Leppings Lane central pens, known as 3 and 4, were already very crowded, while the side pens were less than half full. 6. At the turnstiles the situation was serious, described by Lord Justice Taylor as an 'unmanageable crush'. He stated that fans climbing up and over the turnstile building or on to the dividing fence were escaping the crush rather than gaining free entry as most had tickets. 7. These Police CCTV images begin at 2.44pm. They were recorded in 'time-lapse' mode, hence the poorer quality of the video. At this time, now 15 minutes before kick-off, Lord Justice Taylor estimated there were 5,000 fans outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles. He stated 'It was clear that the crowd could not pass through the turnstiles by 3pm.' In fact, it was later estimated that it would have taken approximately 40 minutes after kick-off to clear the crowd. 8. At 2.47, Superintendent Marshall, the senior officer responsible for policing the crowd in Leppings Lane, 'realised that the crowd had become unmanageable'. He 'feared fatalities would occur' and 'radioed control to permit the gates to be opened'. While this request was being considered, Gate C - in the bottom left corner of the picture - was opened to eject a young supporter. Approximately 150 fans entered through the opened gate before it was closed by police. 9. This is the same scene, the first opening of Gate C, from a Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera. 10. This BBC coverage shows Pens 3 and 4 from 2.49pm until 2.52pm. Both central pens were packed full. Lord Justice Taylor stated that the tunnel beneath the West Stand, which provided the only access to the central pens should have been closed at this point. It was, he remarked, a 'simple' exercise that 'had been carried out in 1988', at the previous year's semi-final. In the outer concourse, Superintendent Marshall was dealing with the worsening crush. Over the radio he repeated his request for an exit gate to be opened to relieve the pressure. He added that if the gates were not opened someone would be killed. 11. According to Lord Justice Taylor, in the Police Control Room, the overall commander, Chief Superintendent Duckenfield was hesitant. Superintendent Murray asked him "Are you going to open the gates?". Chief Superintendent Duckenfield then gave the order. Sergeant Goddard radioed to "Open the gates"'. The open Gate C is in the centre-left of the picture. Lord Justice Taylor found that neither the Club Control room nor any police officers inside the turnstiles were informed that the gates were to be opened. They were also not given any instructions about how to respond and manage the incoming crowd. Most significantly they were not instructed to close access to the tunnel leading down into Pens 3 and 4 of the Leppings Lane Terrace. 12. A Sheffield Wednesday CCTV camera shows the same scene as gate C opens and the fans walk in, most heading straight for the tunnel. 13. Gate C remained open until approximately 2.57pm. It was estimated that 2000 Liverpool fans entered through the gate in the 5 minutes it was open. Lord Justice Taylor stated 'some found their way either right to pens 1 and 2 or left through the dividing wall to pens 6 and 7. But a large proportion headed straight for the tunnel in front of them.' He concluded: 'It should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude.'[/p][/quote]So Taylor pointed out that the fans outside had caused a crush. No-one made them......they turned up and just kept on walking forward until the police were forced to take the only action they could. Thanks for that! ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

11:12pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?
Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they? Arrggh
  • Score: 0

11:13pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"The Independent Panel

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public."

The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone.

That shoots its finding clear out of the water!
"The Independent Panel The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public." The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone. That shoots its finding clear out of the water! ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:16pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?
" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently.

"you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter.

"that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia.


So you've been caught lying yet again!

Give it up, man, ffs.....
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?[/p][/quote]" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently. "you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter. "that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia. So you've been caught lying yet again! Give it up, man, ffs..... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

11:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"The Independent Panel

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public."

The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone.

That shoots its finding clear out of the water!
With the kind of protection you had Sunday you could go through Liverpool spouting that drivel.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "The Independent Panel The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public." The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone. That shoots its finding clear out of the water![/p][/quote]With the kind of protection you had Sunday you could go through Liverpool spouting that drivel. Arrggh
  • Score: 2

11:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
This one works:

https://www.facebook

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A brilliant poster based on an Iron Maiden album cover.

Again, nothing wrong with it.
apart from the fact it doesn't represent what you keep telling us MfE are all about on SGD ...which is a family event.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: This one works: https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10151481803626683&am p;am p;amp;set=a.17269159 1682.123240.17254023 6682&;type=1& ; ;theater A brilliant poster based on an Iron Maiden album cover. Again, nothing wrong with it.[/p][/quote]apart from the fact it doesn't represent what you keep telling us MfE are all about on SGD ...which is a family event. Shaddow
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11:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?
" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently.

"you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter.

"that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia.


So you've been caught lying yet again!

Give it up, man, ffs.....
You did- changing your story again- it's all on these threads.
After all if sharia doesn't permit the sale of booze then many Muslims don't take Sharia as seriously as you think they do.
Have you ever just talked to a Muslim? Without abuse I mean- you might find that they aren't all as terrifying as you think.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?[/p][/quote]" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently. "you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter. "that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia. So you've been caught lying yet again! Give it up, man, ffs.....[/p][/quote]You did- changing your story again- it's all on these threads. After all if sharia doesn't permit the sale of booze then many Muslims don't take Sharia as seriously as you think they do. Have you ever just talked to a Muslim? Without abuse I mean- you might find that they aren't all as terrifying as you think. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

11:23pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?
" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently.

"you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter.

"that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia.


So you've been caught lying yet again!

Give it up, man, ffs.....
You did- changing your story again- it's all on these threads.
After all if sharia doesn't permit the sale of booze then many Muslims don't take Sharia as seriously as you think they do.
Have you ever just talked to a Muslim? Without abuse I mean- you might find that they aren't all as terrifying as you think.
If I've changed my story, you'll be able to post the two contrary posts.

If you cannot, you'll be admitting to have lied.

Over to you!
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Caught out again Gary just like when you said all Muslims follow Sharia and that Sharia permits the sale of booze. Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?[/p][/quote]" Maybe I'll see you at a UKIP meeting- they do seem to attract some characters don't they?" Including proven liars, apparently. "you said all Muslims follow Sharia" They do. They have no choice in the matter. "that Sharia permits the sale of booze. " Did I claim otherwise? As I recall, I didn't answer that question, and referred you to an authority on sharia. So you've been caught lying yet again! Give it up, man, ffs.....[/p][/quote]You did- changing your story again- it's all on these threads. After all if sharia doesn't permit the sale of booze then many Muslims don't take Sharia as seriously as you think they do. Have you ever just talked to a Muslim? Without abuse I mean- you might find that they aren't all as terrifying as you think.[/p][/quote]If I've changed my story, you'll be able to post the two contrary posts. If you cannot, you'll be admitting to have lied. Over to you! ZeeGee, ffs
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11:23pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you. Arrggh
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago. ZeeGee, ffs
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11:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type. Arrggh
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11:30pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"The Independent Panel

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public."

The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone.

That shoots its finding clear out of the water!
With the kind of protection you had Sunday you could go through Liverpool spouting that drivel.
The post was a quote from the Panel's website.

Reality is something that happens to other people, as far as you're concerned.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "The Independent Panel The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public." The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone. That shoots its finding clear out of the water![/p][/quote]With the kind of protection you had Sunday you could go through Liverpool spouting that drivel.[/p][/quote]The post was a quote from the Panel's website. Reality is something that happens to other people, as far as you're concerned. ZeeGee, ffs
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11:31pm Tue 29 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again. ZeeGee, ffs
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11:36pm Tue 29 Apr 14

the red head says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
the red head wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station.

No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again.

Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.
There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day.

If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day?

No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.
Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl?
Wow.....so much ignorance!!

OK, let's deal with the facts.

SGD is celebrated across the country in parades that don't always occur on the day itself.

Ask your local scout group when theirs happened.

St Patrick's Day is now a week of celebrations. I don't' see anyone in Ireland, England or the USA complaining about that.

SGD celebrations are open to all those who see England as their country. There is nothing to stop Afro-Caribbeans or Asians joining in.

There isn't a set formula for a SGD celebration. It can take any form those involved choose.

The UAF doesn't have the sole right to grant the right to a SGD celebration. No-one to my knowledge asked its permission.

HTH
Let's deal with your facts: the scout group, etc, is made up of children. If you are to continually spout st Patricks day, a) this is usually confined to evening celebrations in our city (Brighton, in case you'd forgotten) and I have never in my several decades of living seen it celebrated in this city for more than the one day on which it occurs. I don't live in Ireland or the USA but I do live in England and I think if st Patricks day was celebrated for a week, I would have heard about it. If your marches are open to Asians or Afro caribeans because they were born and bred here, why don't they? Why do we not all welcome you with open arms? No. There isn't a set formula for 'sgd', and in my part of town we had flags in the local pub and a folk band, celebrated real ale and had a good old time, thanks.mand as for your last point, I didn't make any reference to that. I simple invited you to a good old knees up!

And I'm ignorant? I didn't respond earlier cause I was out living life. Obviously your life only involves trying desperately to stick up for you and your buddies looking, sounding and being, um, ignorant.

Night night, sleep tight.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of who most of the violence is carried out by, the cause of the violence is the March itself. Offer an alternative route...maybe let them march in a park on the outskirts of the city (e.g. waterhall). Bus them there from the station and bus them back to the station. No disruption, minimal need for UAF to counter-demonstrate as no-one will be there to listen to them. I expect that after a couple of years the march would be no more and we could go back to enjoying our city on the weekend again. Sticking this smack bang in the centre of town is asking for trouble and violence.[/p][/quote]There is actually no need for the UAF to turn up at all. MFE has nothing to do with fascism. It a group of people celebrating their patron saint's day. If the UAF are so upset about that, why are they never visible causing trouble in Brighton on St Patrick's Day? No, the UAF and associated groups are a bunch of unwashed, ignorant thugs looking for something to fight about.[/p][/quote]Can I just reiterate, st George's day was earlier in the week. If they were truly intent on getting England's patron saint celebrations as popular as st Patricks, they would a) not choose the cosiest weekend slot, b) put traditional elements into the celebration such as music, Morris dancing, Yorkshire pudding and fish and chips, instead of getting tanked up, painting their faces and blindly waving a flag like they're the only ones who care. It's pathetic and anyone - anyone - who cannot recognise that is just on an attention seeking exercise because they're not finding any place in decent society. If you want someone to do a st George's day celebration for you, I'll organise it! It will be a celebration iof every race, culture and religion that has been part of England for centuries... We'll celebrate the imports that came across our seas by the first pioneers along with their news of how much these other cultures could add to and enhance our population. And we will celebrate the pride we can feel that our nation is one of the most embracing of all nations. And we will celebrate how we are one if he most tolerant, giving and forgiving nations in the world. The edl would be welcome to this happy event and could even join in the Morris dancing. No heckling, fighting, nazi salutes or Dutch courage pre party booze up required. Wanna buy a ticket edl?[/p][/quote]Wow.....so much ignorance!! OK, let's deal with the facts. SGD is celebrated across the country in parades that don't always occur on the day itself. Ask your local scout group when theirs happened. St Patrick's Day is now a week of celebrations. I don't' see anyone in Ireland, England or the USA complaining about that. SGD celebrations are open to all those who see England as their country. There is nothing to stop Afro-Caribbeans or Asians joining in. There isn't a set formula for a SGD celebration. It can take any form those involved choose. The UAF doesn't have the sole right to grant the right to a SGD celebration. No-one to my knowledge asked its permission. HTH[/p][/quote]Let's deal with your facts: the scout group, etc, is made up of children. If you are to continually spout st Patricks day, a) this is usually confined to evening celebrations in our city (Brighton, in case you'd forgotten) and I have never in my several decades of living seen it celebrated in this city for more than the one day on which it occurs. I don't live in Ireland or the USA but I do live in England and I think if st Patricks day was celebrated for a week, I would have heard about it. If your marches are open to Asians or Afro caribeans because they were born and bred here, why don't they? Why do we not all welcome you with open arms? No. There isn't a set formula for 'sgd', and in my part of town we had flags in the local pub and a folk band, celebrated real ale and had a good old time, thanks.mand as for your last point, I didn't make any reference to that. I simple invited you to a good old knees up! And I'm ignorant? I didn't respond earlier cause I was out living life. Obviously your life only involves trying desperately to stick up for you and your buddies looking, sounding and being, um, ignorant. Night night, sleep tight. the red head
  • Score: 1

11:38pm Tue 29 Apr 14

KarenT says...

Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'???
Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'??? KarenT
  • Score: -4

11:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"The Independent Panel

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public."

The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone.

That shoots its finding clear out of the water!
Gosh you truly are a bloody idiot!

The Taylor report concluded that the fault was the polices and that fault led to the disaster. The police could see that there were more fans entering from one certain point and instead of doing proper crowd management they totally **** up which is what led to the crush which is then what led onto the gate being opened!!!

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was instituted by the British government to investigate the Hillsborough disaster with the remit to oversee the disclosure of thousands of documents about the disaster and its aftermath and to produce a report illustrating how the information disclosed added to public understanding of the disaster and its aftermath. So Gary yes the panel WAS authorised to rule on it's findings and those findings were that the police failed at every level of crowd control ...and that the police as well as other organisations had lied. If the Independent panel was not authorised to rule on anything then why did the PM read their report and make a full apology to the families of those that died and to Liverpool fans also why did The Sun apologies for the lies it printed? Why did the IPCC start an investigation? Why is there a new inquest?

I mean ...really ...if you are indeed correct that the panel wasn't authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone and that by doing so it shoots its findings clear out of the water ...then why has all levels of authority acted upon those findings ...why have people lost their jobs on those findings?

Again ...do a little research as you are talking with someone who truly has done their research and who also knows someone that was there that day and who thankfully made it out alive.

This new inquest is to overturn the accidental death recorded for the 96.

http://www.bailii.or
g/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi
n/2012/3783.html
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "The Independent Panel The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public." The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone. That shoots its finding clear out of the water![/p][/quote]Gosh you truly are a bloody idiot! The Taylor report concluded that the fault was the polices and that fault led to the disaster. The police could see that there were more fans entering from one certain point and instead of doing proper crowd management they totally **** up which is what led to the crush which is then what led onto the gate being opened!!! The Hillsborough Independent Panel was instituted by the British government to investigate the Hillsborough disaster with the remit to oversee the disclosure of thousands of documents about the disaster and its aftermath and to produce a report illustrating how the information disclosed added to public understanding of the disaster and its aftermath. So Gary yes the panel WAS authorised to rule on it's findings and those findings were that the police failed at every level of crowd control ...and that the police as well as other organisations had lied. If the Independent panel was not authorised to rule on anything then why did the PM read their report and make a full apology to the families of those that died and to Liverpool fans also why did The Sun apologies for the lies it printed? Why did the IPCC start an investigation? Why is there a new inquest? I mean ...really ...if you are indeed correct that the panel wasn't authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone and that by doing so it shoots its findings clear out of the water ...then why has all levels of authority acted upon those findings ...why have people lost their jobs on those findings? Again ...do a little research as you are talking with someone who truly has done their research and who also knows someone that was there that day and who thankfully made it out alive. This new inquest is to overturn the accidental death recorded for the 96. http://www.bailii.or g/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi n/2012/3783.html Shaddow
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11:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

12:09am Wed 30 Apr 14

Shaddow says...

KarenT wrote:
Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'???
And that is your great contribution to the discussion? I also know numerous people who work in the DWP ...both on the floor and in management ...they tell me that there is a lot of PEOPLE from all walks of life on the dole ...the main reason why you probably noticed the 'left wing' a lot more than the 'right wing' is because you've already in your comment shown a bias towards the 'left wing' so thus you will pay them more attention when walking through the DWP doors.

Also a statistic is never based upon a person perception as it it would be a false statistic as that person could be biased ...and you my dear are biased so that 'statistic' to which you speak of means NOTHING as you can not back it up with any hard facts and as I explained above your bias will mean you notice one group more than the other so you stating this 'statistic' is nothing more than a bias on your part in order to back up your world view of the 'left wing'

On a more personal note ...so glad you DON'T work for the DWP any more ...not with an attitude like that!!!!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'???[/p][/quote]And that is your great contribution to the discussion? I also know numerous people who work in the DWP ...both on the floor and in management ...they tell me that there is a lot of PEOPLE from all walks of life on the dole ...the main reason why you probably noticed the 'left wing' a lot more than the 'right wing' is because you've already in your comment shown a bias towards the 'left wing' so thus you will pay them more attention when walking through the DWP doors. Also a statistic is never based upon a person perception as it it would be a false statistic as that person could be biased ...and you my dear are biased so that 'statistic' to which you speak of means NOTHING as you can not back it up with any hard facts and as I explained above your bias will mean you notice one group more than the other so you stating this 'statistic' is nothing more than a bias on your part in order to back up your world view of the 'left wing' On a more personal note ...so glad you DON'T work for the DWP any more ...not with an attitude like that!!!! Shaddow
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9:33am Wed 30 Apr 14

downbythesea says...

Can't the knuckle dragging thugs on both sides just go have a barny on Maderia Drive and leave the rest of us alone?

Maybe Boots can supply free soap for both sides? Just a thought!
Can't the knuckle dragging thugs on both sides just go have a barny on Maderia Drive and leave the rest of us alone? Maybe Boots can supply free soap for both sides? Just a thought! downbythesea
  • Score: 1

9:43am Wed 30 Apr 14

mimseycal says...

This thread has long ceased to provide any interest.
This thread has long ceased to provide any interest. mimseycal
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10:03am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

downbythesea wrote:
Can't the knuckle dragging thugs on both sides just go have a barny on Maderia Drive and leave the rest of us alone?

Maybe Boots can supply free soap for both sides? Just a thought!
And where should the educated intelligent ones on each side go?
[quote][p][bold]downbythesea[/bold] wrote: Can't the knuckle dragging thugs on both sides just go have a barny on Maderia Drive and leave the rest of us alone? Maybe Boots can supply free soap for both sides? Just a thought![/p][/quote]And where should the educated intelligent ones on each side go? ZeeGee, ffs
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10:07am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'???
And that is your great contribution to the discussion? I also know numerous people who work in the DWP ...both on the floor and in management ...they tell me that there is a lot of PEOPLE from all walks of life on the dole ...the main reason why you probably noticed the 'left wing' a lot more than the 'right wing' is because you've already in your comment shown a bias towards the 'left wing' so thus you will pay them more attention when walking through the DWP doors.

Also a statistic is never based upon a person perception as it it would be a false statistic as that person could be biased ...and you my dear are biased so that 'statistic' to which you speak of means NOTHING as you can not back it up with any hard facts and as I explained above your bias will mean you notice one group more than the other so you stating this 'statistic' is nothing more than a bias on your part in order to back up your world view of the 'left wing'

On a more personal note ...so glad you DON'T work for the DWP any more ...not with an attitude like that!!!!
So you're questioning her perception?

On what grounds? You cannot possibly have been alongside her.

Basically, you weren't able to argue using facts, so you chose ignorance and prejudice once again.
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Interesting statistic for you all here: I used to work at the DWP office signing on JSA people, and the number of "left-wing 'anarchists' with their dreads and facial piercings and anti-establishment tattoos" FAR OUTNUMBERED the right-wing 'element' (not difficult to discern). Hmmm.... I wonder why that is? Any, erm... 'theories'???[/p][/quote]And that is your great contribution to the discussion? I also know numerous people who work in the DWP ...both on the floor and in management ...they tell me that there is a lot of PEOPLE from all walks of life on the dole ...the main reason why you probably noticed the 'left wing' a lot more than the 'right wing' is because you've already in your comment shown a bias towards the 'left wing' so thus you will pay them more attention when walking through the DWP doors. Also a statistic is never based upon a person perception as it it would be a false statistic as that person could be biased ...and you my dear are biased so that 'statistic' to which you speak of means NOTHING as you can not back it up with any hard facts and as I explained above your bias will mean you notice one group more than the other so you stating this 'statistic' is nothing more than a bias on your part in order to back up your world view of the 'left wing' On a more personal note ...so glad you DON'T work for the DWP any more ...not with an attitude like that!!!![/p][/quote]So you're questioning her perception? On what grounds? You cannot possibly have been alongside her. Basically, you weren't able to argue using facts, so you chose ignorance and prejudice once again. ZeeGee, ffs
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10:13am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time).

" You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote:

"Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?"

No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page.

Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.[/p][/quote]We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time). " You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote: "Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?" No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page. Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar. ZeeGee, ffs
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10:15am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shaddow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"The Independent Panel

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public."

The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone.

That shoots its finding clear out of the water!
Gosh you truly are a bloody idiot!

The Taylor report concluded that the fault was the polices and that fault led to the disaster. The police could see that there were more fans entering from one certain point and instead of doing proper crowd management they totally **** up which is what led to the crush which is then what led onto the gate being opened!!!

The Hillsborough Independent Panel was instituted by the British government to investigate the Hillsborough disaster with the remit to oversee the disclosure of thousands of documents about the disaster and its aftermath and to produce a report illustrating how the information disclosed added to public understanding of the disaster and its aftermath. So Gary yes the panel WAS authorised to rule on it's findings and those findings were that the police failed at every level of crowd control ...and that the police as well as other organisations had lied. If the Independent panel was not authorised to rule on anything then why did the PM read their report and make a full apology to the families of those that died and to Liverpool fans also why did The Sun apologies for the lies it printed? Why did the IPCC start an investigation? Why is there a new inquest?

I mean ...really ...if you are indeed correct that the panel wasn't authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone and that by doing so it shoots its findings clear out of the water ...then why has all levels of authority acted upon those findings ...why have people lost their jobs on those findings?

Again ...do a little research as you are talking with someone who truly has done their research and who also knows someone that was there that day and who thankfully made it out alive.

This new inquest is to overturn the accidental death recorded for the 96.

http://www.bailii.or

g/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi

n/2012/3783.html
So you're claiming that the crush of fans outside the ground was the fault of the police.

*facepalm*
[quote][p][bold]Shaddow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "The Independent Panel The Hillsborough Independent Panel was established by the UK government in January 2010 to oversee the release of documents related to the 1989 Hillsborough football disaster. The Panel's role is to ensure that the Hillsborough families and the wider public receive the maximum possible disclosure of all relevant information relating to the context, circumstances and aftermath of the tragedy. It is also the Panel's role to research and analyse the documents and provide a comprehensive report on what their disclosure adds to public understanding. Throughout its work the Panel has consulted with the families of the deceased and its work has been informed by their views and priorities. Disclosure will take place first to families and then to the public." The Panel wasn't even authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone. That shoots its finding clear out of the water![/p][/quote]Gosh you truly are a bloody idiot! The Taylor report concluded that the fault was the polices and that fault led to the disaster. The police could see that there were more fans entering from one certain point and instead of doing proper crowd management they totally **** up which is what led to the crush which is then what led onto the gate being opened!!! The Hillsborough Independent Panel was instituted by the British government to investigate the Hillsborough disaster with the remit to oversee the disclosure of thousands of documents about the disaster and its aftermath and to produce a report illustrating how the information disclosed added to public understanding of the disaster and its aftermath. So Gary yes the panel WAS authorised to rule on it's findings and those findings were that the police failed at every level of crowd control ...and that the police as well as other organisations had lied. If the Independent panel was not authorised to rule on anything then why did the PM read their report and make a full apology to the families of those that died and to Liverpool fans also why did The Sun apologies for the lies it printed? Why did the IPCC start an investigation? Why is there a new inquest? I mean ...really ...if you are indeed correct that the panel wasn't authorised to rule on who was to blame or absolve anyone and that by doing so it shoots its findings clear out of the water ...then why has all levels of authority acted upon those findings ...why have people lost their jobs on those findings? Again ...do a little research as you are talking with someone who truly has done their research and who also knows someone that was there that day and who thankfully made it out alive. This new inquest is to overturn the accidental death recorded for the 96. http://www.bailii.or g/ew/cases/EWHC/Admi n/2012/3783.html[/p][/quote]So you're claiming that the crush of fans outside the ground was the fault of the police. *facepalm* ZeeGee, ffs
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10:20am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

mimseycal wrote:
This thread has long ceased to provide any interest.
For my part in that I apologise.
I think we should have a petition to the effect that the march not be held in the centre next year.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: This thread has long ceased to provide any interest.[/p][/quote]For my part in that I apologise. I think we should have a petition to the effect that the march not be held in the centre next year. Arrggh
  • Score: 1

10:25am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time).

" You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote:

"Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?"

No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page.

Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.
How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds.
Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?'
Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.[/p][/quote]We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time). " You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote: "Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?" No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page. Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.[/p][/quote]How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds. Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?' Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic? Arrggh
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10:27am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time).

" You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote:

"Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?"

No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page.

Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.
How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds.
Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?'
Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?
"How is that a threat?"

I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me.

So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.[/p][/quote]We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time). " You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote: "Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?" No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page. Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.[/p][/quote]How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds. Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?' Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?[/p][/quote]"How is that a threat?" I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me. So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again. ZeeGee, ffs
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10:31am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time).

" You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote:

"Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?"

No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page.

Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.
How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds.
Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?'
Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?
"How is that a threat?"

I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me.

So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again.
It's pointless answering you in plain English as your comprehension skills can't cope. You were asked to help on these threads and yet are so cartoonishly ott that I'm surprised no one has accused you of being a lefty troll trying to make the MfE supporters look stupid.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.[/p][/quote]We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time). " You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote: "Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?" No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page. Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.[/p][/quote]How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds. Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?' Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?[/p][/quote]"How is that a threat?" I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me. So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again.[/p][/quote]It's pointless answering you in plain English as your comprehension skills can't cope. You were asked to help on these threads and yet are so cartoonishly ott that I'm surprised no one has accused you of being a lefty troll trying to make the MfE supporters look stupid. Arrggh
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10:34am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.
You're already a proven liar.
In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.
Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.
you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence.
I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.
The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol.

I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.
You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.
We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time).

" You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote:

"Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?"

No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page.

Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.
How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds.
Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?'
Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?
"How is that a threat?"

I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me.

So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again.
It's pointless answering you in plain English as your comprehension skills can't cope. You were asked to help on these threads and yet are so cartoonishly ott that I'm surprised no one has accused you of being a lefty troll trying to make the MfE supporters look stupid.
I've destroyed your arguments and proven you to be a liar. How that shows I have issues with comprehension isn't clear.

I'd ask you to explain how, but we both know you won't be able to.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary Schofield- if you're so superior prove me a liar in front of a live audience instead of being a keyboard warrior.[/p][/quote]You're already a proven liar.[/p][/quote]In your mind only- why don't you want a live audience then? Bring your mates, if you have any, and prove the lie. As it stands I'll just read out our posts and ask the crowd to point out where I lied- but it wouldn't be the same without you.[/p][/quote]Your lies have been proven several times, the latest time was a few minutes ago.[/p][/quote]you do have an active imagination- your last proof was asking me to look up quotes that you'll deny saying even with the evidence. I've quoted you before to get the same response but wouldn't be able to get away with it with a crowd. You're all type.[/p][/quote]The only time you quoted me in support of your claims was when you proved that you had lied, lol. I see you cannot provide any contradictory statements from me, so you've been caught lying yet again.[/p][/quote]You claimed that I hate free speech- used caps for emphasis, so I offered you a debate with a live audience. What could be more free speech than that? You claim I've threatened you- go on, quote me or you're a liar.[/p][/quote]We've had a debate with a live audience (assuming that the people reading this were alive at the time). " You claim I've threatened you" Another lie from you. Here's what I actually wrote: "Or do you merely want to meet up in the pathetic hope that you'll be able to lash out as soon as I start to make you look stupid and ignorant?" No claim from me on that score. I was merely enquiring about your desperation to meet up with me when we've been perfectly able to discuss the issues on this page. Oh, and that means that you lied about me again. You're a born liar.[/p][/quote]How is that a threat? I asked a question you moron- take your meds or get new ones. You claimed I would have proven myself a thug on what grounds. Is it not telling to you that at one point you wrote 'I'm a grown man?' Surely that shows that to everyone else you come across as childish and pathetic?[/p][/quote]"How is that a threat?" I never claimed it was threat, yet YOU claimed that I had stated that you had threatened me. So you've just accepted that I hadn't made that claim, and that you're admitting to have lied......again.[/p][/quote]It's pointless answering you in plain English as your comprehension skills can't cope. You were asked to help on these threads and yet are so cartoonishly ott that I'm surprised no one has accused you of being a lefty troll trying to make the MfE supporters look stupid.[/p][/quote]I've destroyed your arguments and proven you to be a liar. How that shows I have issues with comprehension isn't clear. I'd ask you to explain how, but we both know you won't be able to. ZeeGee, ffs
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10:43am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed.
Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed. Arrggh
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10:46am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

Zeegee ffs- did you pass English GCSE?
Zeegee ffs- did you pass English GCSE? Arrggh
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10:49am Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed.
And that's what you've been reduced to. You've had your arse handed to you, you've shown how stupid you are, and you're now plumbing the depths of desperation.

Run along, little boy.
[quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed.[/p][/quote]And that's what you've been reduced to. You've had your arse handed to you, you've shown how stupid you are, and you're now plumbing the depths of desperation. Run along, little boy. ZeeGee, ffs
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10:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

Arrggh says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Arrggh wrote:
Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed.
And that's what you've been reduced to. You've had your arse handed to you, you've shown how stupid you are, and you're now plumbing the depths of desperation.

Run along, little boy.
Tried asking before if you are old enough to remember Hillsborough and you didn't answer. How old are you?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arrggh[/bold] wrote: Zeegee ffs- your comprehension of words like proven is sorely limited. What medication are you on? You need to get the dose changed.[/p][/quote]And that's what you've been reduced to. You've had your arse handed to you, you've shown how stupid you are, and you're now plumbing the depths of desperation. Run along, little boy.[/p][/quote]Tried asking before if you are old enough to remember Hillsborough and you didn't answer. How old are you? Arrggh
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3:32pm Wed 30 Apr 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Police cannot ban March for England as it is not violent enough"

So basically the Argus is encouraging the UAF thugs to try much harder next year.
"Police cannot ban March for England as it is not violent enough" So basically the Argus is encouraging the UAF thugs to try much harder next year. ZeeGee, ffs
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1:18pm Thu 1 May 14

ohhumanity says...

Oh where to start with all this, especially when it has all been said.

Yes, you don't agree with the MFE opinions, but ban their right to free speech because they don't represent your opinions? This is how wars get started. Both sides have always been, and will always be as violent as each other. They are allowed to speak their opinions. They deserve the right to free speech. as do the UAF.

For example, I don't agree with muslim beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ban them from any protests or demonstrations. If both sides remained calm and expressed their opinions like adults, there would be a lot less violent. But they both get riled up.

By these laws of logic, I would think the UAF protests should be banned as well. They bring violent people to our town, they cause just as much noise and travel disruption as the MFE.

Ban them both. No one cares.
Oh where to start with all this, especially when it has all been said. Yes, you don't agree with the MFE opinions, but ban their right to free speech because they don't represent your opinions? This is how wars get started. Both sides have always been, and will always be as violent as each other. They are allowed to speak their opinions. They deserve the right to free speech. as do the UAF. For example, I don't agree with muslim beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ban them from any protests or demonstrations. If both sides remained calm and expressed their opinions like adults, there would be a lot less violent. But they both get riled up. By these laws of logic, I would think the UAF protests should be banned as well. They bring violent people to our town, they cause just as much noise and travel disruption as the MFE. Ban them both. No one cares. ohhumanity
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8:33pm Thu 1 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

ohhumanity wrote:
Oh where to start with all this, especially when it has all been said.

Yes, you don't agree with the MFE opinions, but ban their right to free speech because they don't represent your opinions? This is how wars get started. Both sides have always been, and will always be as violent as each other. They are allowed to speak their opinions. They deserve the right to free speech. as do the UAF.

For example, I don't agree with muslim beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ban them from any protests or demonstrations. If both sides remained calm and expressed their opinions like adults, there would be a lot less violent. But they both get riled up.

By these laws of logic, I would think the UAF protests should be banned as well. They bring violent people to our town, they cause just as much noise and travel disruption as the MFE.

Ban them both. No one cares.
So you want them to march but you want them prevented from marching.

I take it you live in Kemptown.
[quote][p][bold]ohhumanity[/bold] wrote: Oh where to start with all this, especially when it has all been said. Yes, you don't agree with the MFE opinions, but ban their right to free speech because they don't represent your opinions? This is how wars get started. Both sides have always been, and will always be as violent as each other. They are allowed to speak their opinions. They deserve the right to free speech. as do the UAF. For example, I don't agree with muslim beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ban them from any protests or demonstrations. If both sides remained calm and expressed their opinions like adults, there would be a lot less violent. But they both get riled up. By these laws of logic, I would think the UAF protests should be banned as well. They bring violent people to our town, they cause just as much noise and travel disruption as the MFE. Ban them both. No one cares.[/p][/quote]So you want them to march but you want them prevented from marching. I take it you live in Kemptown. ZeeGee, ffs
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12:32pm Sat 3 May 14

Mr chock says...

the headline might actually be counter productive " next time it could be more violent and then sadly the reputation of to peaceful peace loving factions will be put at risk "march for England is not Nazi " and the other protest group actually hold a counter demo on the same day / same location BECAUSE ???
just lets hope the Green party and the Ukip still feature massively in the local elections and that the local voting folks do not re elect the parties that have let this City of Brighton get so so neglected
the headline might actually be counter productive " next time it could be more violent and then sadly the reputation of to peaceful peace loving factions will be put at risk "march for England is not Nazi " and the other protest group actually hold a counter demo on the same day / same location BECAUSE ??? just lets hope the Green party and the Ukip still feature massively in the local elections and that the local voting folks do not re elect the parties that have let this City of Brighton get so so neglected Mr chock
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