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Anti-fascists set to protest at Ukip rally

The Argus: Nigel Farage speaking in a disrupted meeting in Hove in June last year Nigel Farage speaking in a disrupted meeting in Hove in June last year

Anti-fascists and Ukip supporters are set to clash at a euro elections meeting.

Ukip are hosting an election rally in Ralli Hall in Denmark Villas in Hove from 6.30pm tomorrow night with Unite Against Fascism supporters promising to protest outside the gathering.

The two political groups clashed at a previous meeting at Portslade Town Hall in February.

Speakers and Ukip candidates Janice Atkinson, Patricia Culligan and Alan Stevens have formally asked Sussex Police to arrest any protesters who call their supporters fascists, hurl other abuse or cause any physical assaults, for 'hate crime' or under the public order act.

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7:17pm Mon 12 May 14

Fight_Back says...

Kind of shows how undemocratic the UAF really are - hurling insults etc at people going to a debate by a perfectly legal democratic political party shows up who the real fascists are. No doubt the brianless idiots of Lucas, Andy R and Ben Duncan will be in attendance spouting their "cool, right on" left wing diatribes.
Kind of shows how undemocratic the UAF really are - hurling insults etc at people going to a debate by a perfectly legal democratic political party shows up who the real fascists are. No doubt the brianless idiots of Lucas, Andy R and Ben Duncan will be in attendance spouting their "cool, right on" left wing diatribes. Fight_Back
  • Score: 70

7:45pm Mon 12 May 14

Brighton Living says...

Best the police get really because we all have freedom of speech and as always the Anti-fascists will be a total bunch of twits !!!!
Best the police get really because we all have freedom of speech and as always the Anti-fascists will be a total bunch of twits !!!! Brighton Living
  • Score: 43

7:52pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

I might go down and protest as well.
I might go down and protest as well. sussexram40
  • Score: -39

8:06pm Mon 12 May 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

UAF = Unite Against Free speech
UAF = Unite Against Free speech BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 53

8:39pm Mon 12 May 14

pachallis says...

It's another of those irregular verbs - I am a patriot, you are a nationalist; he is a racist.
It's another of those irregular verbs - I am a patriot, you are a nationalist; he is a racist. pachallis
  • Score: 12

8:54pm Mon 12 May 14

Wide Bertha says...

They didn't 'clash at a previous meeting at Portslade town Hall ' , there were about five protestors waving placards, surrounded by 20 police officers.... please stop making stuff up... I passed by Portslade Town Hall on the night of the meeting, and it was nothing like you describe.
They didn't 'clash at a previous meeting at Portslade town Hall ' , there were about five protestors waving placards, surrounded by 20 police officers.... please stop making stuff up... I passed by Portslade Town Hall on the night of the meeting, and it was nothing like you describe. Wide Bertha
  • Score: 11

9:41pm Mon 12 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
They didn't 'clash at a previous meeting at Portslade town Hall ' , there were about five protestors waving placards, surrounded by 20 police officers.... please stop making stuff up... I passed by Portslade Town Hall on the night of the meeting, and it was nothing like you describe.
Five protesters??

http://www.brightona
ndhovenews.org/2014/
02/18/dozens-protest
-as-ukip-candidates-
address-public-meeti
ng-in-portslade/2749
0

Try 40 to 50.

Do you make a habit of lying about everything?
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: They didn't 'clash at a previous meeting at Portslade town Hall ' , there were about five protestors waving placards, surrounded by 20 police officers.... please stop making stuff up... I passed by Portslade Town Hall on the night of the meeting, and it was nothing like you describe.[/p][/quote]Five protesters?? http://www.brightona ndhovenews.org/2014/ 02/18/dozens-protest -as-ukip-candidates- address-public-meeti ng-in-portslade/2749 0 Try 40 to 50. Do you make a habit of lying about everything? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 10

10:04pm Mon 12 May 14

Isaac Rinkfern says...

How can people be arrested for "hate crimes" if the potential "victim" is not part of a protected group under that legislation?

Although, that said, if fascists are a minority group, then that can only be a good thing, and anyone claiming that "fascist" is a term of abuse against their held belief system will only lead to hilarity if it ever made it into a courtroom.

This is nothing more than sensationalism in order to make this dull event appear to be more exciting than it is likely to be.
How can people be arrested for "hate crimes" if the potential "victim" is not part of a protected group under that legislation? Although, that said, if fascists are a minority group, then that can only be a good thing, and anyone claiming that "fascist" is a term of abuse against their held belief system will only lead to hilarity if it ever made it into a courtroom. This is nothing more than sensationalism in order to make this dull event appear to be more exciting than it is likely to be. Isaac Rinkfern
  • Score: -10

11:25pm Mon 12 May 14

Lautoka77 says...

It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.
It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with. Lautoka77
  • Score: 42

11:35pm Mon 12 May 14

Roundbill says...

I can't quite work out whether it's the idea of a sponge cake that people are so hostile to, or the slogan. If it's the former, I'm happy to make it a 12-inch deep-pan pizza instead (you could spell out the slogan using peppers) - if it's the latter, how about using the phrase "down with this sort of thing"?
I can't quite work out whether it's the idea of a sponge cake that people are so hostile to, or the slogan. If it's the former, I'm happy to make it a 12-inch deep-pan pizza instead (you could spell out the slogan using peppers) - if it's the latter, how about using the phrase "down with this sort of thing"? Roundbill
  • Score: 2

11:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Vigilia says...

Roundbill wrote:
They always have to "hurl" abuse, don't they? Why can't they give them a nice sponge cake, with "Nazi scum f*ck off" written in the icing? That way, they get their message across, and the uKippers get a lovely treat - everybody's happy!
The only "Nazis" are the so called anti-fascist Sturm Abteilung and their only difference is that they are dressed in black, not brown.
What is utterly sickening to the people of Brighton and Hove is that the leader of the Labour and Cooperative Group and Green members turned out to support them at the last democratic rally here in the City.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: They always have to "hurl" abuse, don't they? Why can't they give them a nice sponge cake, with "Nazi scum f*ck off" written in the icing? That way, they get their message across, and the uKippers get a lovely treat - everybody's happy![/p][/quote]The only "Nazis" are the so called anti-fascist Sturm Abteilung and their only difference is that they are dressed in black, not brown. What is utterly sickening to the people of Brighton and Hove is that the leader of the Labour and Cooperative Group and Green members turned out to support them at the last democratic rally here in the City. Vigilia
  • Score: 19

1:14am Tue 13 May 14

Mr chock says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I might go down and protest as well.
ohh i have been to some protests .. i am going to pop along and see if this is going to be massively policed and wonder who is paying for all that protection ..
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I might go down and protest as well.[/p][/quote]ohh i have been to some protests .. i am going to pop along and see if this is going to be massively policed and wonder who is paying for all that protection .. Mr chock
  • Score: 1

4:25am Tue 13 May 14

brighton bluenose says...

Mr chock wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
I might go down and protest as well.
ohh i have been to some protests .. i am going to pop along and see if this is going to be massively policed and wonder who is paying for all that protection ..
Whilst it is an expense I would prefer not to have to shoulder as a taxpayer, whether locally or nationally, I am more than happy to pay towards the policing of this meeting to uphold the basic democratic principles of our country and to ensure the red fascists don't get their way!
[quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I might go down and protest as well.[/p][/quote]ohh i have been to some protests .. i am going to pop along and see if this is going to be massively policed and wonder who is paying for all that protection ..[/p][/quote]Whilst it is an expense I would prefer not to have to shoulder as a taxpayer, whether locally or nationally, I am more than happy to pay towards the policing of this meeting to uphold the basic democratic principles of our country and to ensure the red fascists don't get their way! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 16

7:19am Tue 13 May 14

HJarrs says...

Vigilia wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
They always have to "hurl" abuse, don't they? Why can't they give them a nice sponge cake, with "Nazi scum f*ck off" written in the icing? That way, they get their message across, and the uKippers get a lovely treat - everybody's happy!
The only "Nazis" are the so called anti-fascist Sturm Abteilung and their only difference is that they are dressed in black, not brown.
What is utterly sickening to the people of Brighton and Hove is that the leader of the Labour and Cooperative Group and Green members turned out to support them at the last democratic rally here in the City.
Last democratic rally? I believe you mean the children's parade at the start of the festival. How nice of our politicians to show support.
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: They always have to "hurl" abuse, don't they? Why can't they give them a nice sponge cake, with "Nazi scum f*ck off" written in the icing? That way, they get their message across, and the uKippers get a lovely treat - everybody's happy![/p][/quote]The only "Nazis" are the so called anti-fascist Sturm Abteilung and their only difference is that they are dressed in black, not brown. What is utterly sickening to the people of Brighton and Hove is that the leader of the Labour and Cooperative Group and Green members turned out to support them at the last democratic rally here in the City.[/p][/quote]Last democratic rally? I believe you mean the children's parade at the start of the festival. How nice of our politicians to show support. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

7:32am Tue 13 May 14

HJarrs says...

While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism.

I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few.
While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism. I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

8:24am Tue 13 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism.

I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few.
@HJarrs - it's very nice to read the green parties unofficial view of UKIP, but wouldn't it be better if you told us what the greens actually stand for instead?

Tell us about your plans to nationalise energy and renationalise rail.

What about your election manifesto allegedly funded by scrapping the UK nuclear deterrent:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

Tell us about how the green party is transforming onto the labour party of the 1960s?

Tell us about how the green party fervently supports UAF and how Caroline Lucas turned up for the EDL protest?

Tell us about the green supporters who turned up at the previous UKIP protests?

Tell us about how the green party is controlled by the melon-greens (i.e. marxist communists) who hide in the background?

Tell us about how the greens seem to be no longer interested in the environment and are now more worried about holding on to the power?

Then when you have told us the truth about the greens are planning, perhaps then you can start more muck-throwing about all the other parties.

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism. I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - it's very nice to read the green parties unofficial view of UKIP, but wouldn't it be better if you told us what the greens actually stand for instead? Tell us about your plans to nationalise energy and renationalise rail. What about your election manifesto allegedly funded by scrapping the UK nuclear deterrent: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding Tell us about how the green party is transforming onto the labour party of the 1960s? Tell us about how the green party fervently supports UAF and how Caroline Lucas turned up for the EDL protest? Tell us about the green supporters who turned up at the previous UKIP protests? Tell us about how the green party is controlled by the melon-greens (i.e. marxist communists) who hide in the background? Tell us about how the greens seem to be no longer interested in the environment and are now more worried about holding on to the power? Then when you have told us the truth about the greens are planning, perhaps then you can start more muck-throwing about all the other parties. Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city! pachallis
  • Score: 23

8:28am Tue 13 May 14

scottishb;ue says...

Round ill and wide bertha mmm food for thought here and looks like you guys have eat most of it hahahaha people have the right to free speech but because it not want you want to hear is wrong, keep eating and your mouth won't spill any more garbage
Round ill and wide bertha mmm food for thought here and looks like you guys have eat most of it hahahaha people have the right to free speech but because it not want you want to hear is wrong, keep eating and your mouth won't spill any more garbage scottishb;ue
  • Score: -4

9:01am Tue 13 May 14

the red head says...

Isn't it interesting that whenever the argus does a ukip story, the comments from pro ukip / edf have the most vile language and aggressive name calling of all stories posted on this news site. I wonder if they think they're actually helping their cause? It's like watching a fly bash against a window over and over and over...
Isn't it interesting that whenever the argus does a ukip story, the comments from pro ukip / edf have the most vile language and aggressive name calling of all stories posted on this news site. I wonder if they think they're actually helping their cause? It's like watching a fly bash against a window over and over and over... the red head
  • Score: -4

9:06am Tue 13 May 14

s_james says...

I disagree with most of UKIP’s policies and their scaremongering about the supposed negative effect of the EU. However, they are legitimate, legal political party who have significant support in this country and people are perfectly entitled to support them and their policies. They seem to promptly expel any of the real undesirables they might attract. Calling them fascists and protesting in this way is unjustified and completely counter-productive in my opinion.
I disagree with most of UKIP’s policies and their scaremongering about the supposed negative effect of the EU. However, they are legitimate, legal political party who have significant support in this country and people are perfectly entitled to support them and their policies. They seem to promptly expel any of the real undesirables they might attract. Calling them fascists and protesting in this way is unjustified and completely counter-productive in my opinion. s_james
  • Score: 24

9:47am Tue 13 May 14

Fight_Back says...

the red head wrote:
Isn't it interesting that whenever the argus does a ukip story, the comments from pro ukip / edf have the most vile language and aggressive name calling of all stories posted on this news site. I wonder if they think they're actually helping their cause? It's like watching a fly bash against a window over and over and over...
You clearly haven't read the comments on stories about the Green council !!

Maybe UKIP supporters feel vindicated in their responses given anytime someone even suggests they have sympathy with UKIP they tend to be called xenophobic or racist ?

For far too long the mainstream parties have dismissed peoples fears about the EU and immigration. A lot of the time the well known politicians have dismissed UKIP as fruitcakes and loons.

Yet now UKIP are getting a solid support all of a sudden the party leaders ( Clegg and Cameron in particular ) want to participate in the EU debate. Remember Cameron dismissing UKIP about two years ago as fruitcakes ? Now all of a sudden he supports a referendum and a TV debate with UKIP.

As for Labour - promise a referendum on the Lisborn Treaty and then wriggle out of it. So they lied.

The three main parties only have themselves to blame for the rise of UKIP for not listening to people. As for groups such as the Greens and UAF - you can hurl insults and threaten people listening to UKIP as much as you like but all you actually do is drive people ever more towards UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: Isn't it interesting that whenever the argus does a ukip story, the comments from pro ukip / edf have the most vile language and aggressive name calling of all stories posted on this news site. I wonder if they think they're actually helping their cause? It's like watching a fly bash against a window over and over and over...[/p][/quote]You clearly haven't read the comments on stories about the Green council !! Maybe UKIP supporters feel vindicated in their responses given anytime someone even suggests they have sympathy with UKIP they tend to be called xenophobic or racist ? For far too long the mainstream parties have dismissed peoples fears about the EU and immigration. A lot of the time the well known politicians have dismissed UKIP as fruitcakes and loons. Yet now UKIP are getting a solid support all of a sudden the party leaders ( Clegg and Cameron in particular ) want to participate in the EU debate. Remember Cameron dismissing UKIP about two years ago as fruitcakes ? Now all of a sudden he supports a referendum and a TV debate with UKIP. As for Labour - promise a referendum on the Lisborn Treaty and then wriggle out of it. So they lied. The three main parties only have themselves to blame for the rise of UKIP for not listening to people. As for groups such as the Greens and UAF - you can hurl insults and threaten people listening to UKIP as much as you like but all you actually do is drive people ever more towards UKIP. Fight_Back
  • Score: 17

9:49am Tue 13 May 14

kayleighswift says...

Kind of shows how undemocratic the UAF really are - hurling insults etc at people going to a debate by a perfectly legal democratic political party

I'm not sure what makes you think they will be "hurling insults", but the right to peaceful protest is just as legal as the UKIP rally.

Rather, the nature of the protest is simply to raise awareness of what sort of a party UKIP really are and how dangerous it is for people to vote for them (and mostly as a 'protest party'!

UKIP make a lot of noise about the apparent problem of "immigration" but fail to get across their other sinister policies, such as opposition to housing development (which will simply worsen the housing crisis),

http://goo.gl/gpZDHw


UAF = Unite Against Free speech
There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the term "Free Speech" at the moment. Freedom of Speech means that you can't be persecuted by the government for your opinion - it does NOT mean freedom from consequences. If you have your opinion condemmed by a large number of people, your "freedom of speech" is not being violated.

It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.
Do they? Says who? UKIP? I'd like to see some more reliable evidence please.

Unfortunately the mainstream media has a priority only to make money - not to actually report the news as accurately as possible. This means they sensationalise stories to bring in the readers/viewers, and has resulted in a grossly uninformed public, as a recent stud shows:

http://goo.gl/Xa43R

Before you vote for ANY party, I would advise not only gaining a full understanding of their manifesto (with the thought in your mind that they will be unlikely to fulfil many of their promises), but more importantly, educate yourself on the REAL issues we face rather than letting yourself get all worked up over something you have read in the Daily Mail.
[QUOTE]Kind of shows how undemocratic the UAF really are - hurling insults etc at people going to a debate by a perfectly legal democratic political party[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what makes you think they will be "hurling insults", but the right to peaceful protest is just as legal as the UKIP rally. Rather, the nature of the protest is simply to raise awareness of what sort of a party UKIP really are and how dangerous it is for people to vote for them (and mostly as a 'protest party'! UKIP make a lot of noise about the apparent problem of "immigration" but fail to get across their other sinister policies, such as opposition to housing development (which will simply worsen the housing crisis), http://goo.gl/gpZDHw [QUOTE]UAF = Unite Against Free speech[/QUOTE] There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the term "Free Speech" at the moment. Freedom of Speech means that you can't be persecuted by the government for your opinion - it does NOT mean freedom from consequences. If you have your opinion condemmed by a large number of people, your "freedom of speech" is not being violated. [QUOTE]It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.[/QUOTE] Do they? Says who? UKIP? I'd like to see some more reliable evidence please. Unfortunately the mainstream media has a priority only to make money - not to actually report the news as accurately as possible. This means they sensationalise stories to bring in the readers/viewers, and has resulted in a grossly uninformed public, as a recent stud shows: http://goo.gl/Xa43R Before you vote for ANY party, I would advise not only gaining a full understanding of their manifesto (with the thought in your mind that they will be unlikely to fulfil many of their promises), but more importantly, educate yourself on the REAL issues we face rather than letting yourself get all worked up over something you have read in the Daily Mail. kayleighswift
  • Score: -15

9:59am Tue 13 May 14

Fight_Back says...

"I'm not sure what makes you think they will be "hurling insults", but the right to peaceful protest is just as legal as the UKIP rally."

Because the anti-democratic left wingers have a history of doing so ?

From a letter in the Argus after a UKIP debate at Hove Town Hall last June :
" I attended the Ukip meeting at Hove Town Hall as I was helping out and arrived early so was already inside prior to the protesters arriving.

I couldn’t see what was going on outside but boy could I hear it: “racist scum”, “shame on you”, “bigots”, “homophobes”, “anti-women” – I could go on. The good people of Brighton and Hove who attended the meeting had to walk in through those doors and have all that abuse thrown at them. "
"I'm not sure what makes you think they will be "hurling insults", but the right to peaceful protest is just as legal as the UKIP rally." Because the anti-democratic left wingers have a history of doing so ? From a letter in the Argus after a UKIP debate at Hove Town Hall last June : " I attended the Ukip meeting at Hove Town Hall as I was helping out and arrived early so was already inside prior to the protesters arriving. I couldn’t see what was going on outside but boy could I hear it: “racist scum”, “shame on you”, “bigots”, “homophobes”, “anti-women” – I could go on. The good people of Brighton and Hove who attended the meeting had to walk in through those doors and have all that abuse thrown at them. " Fight_Back
  • Score: 14

10:02am Tue 13 May 14

Fight_Back says...

"It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.
Do they? Says who? UKIP? I'd like to see some more reliable evidence please."

I suggest you read the reports regarding the MfE demo and the violence perpetrated by the UAF - something backup by the police arrest figures.
"It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with. Do they? Says who? UKIP? I'd like to see some more reliable evidence please." I suggest you read the reports regarding the MfE demo and the violence perpetrated by the UAF - something backup by the police arrest figures. Fight_Back
  • Score: 16

10:46am Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Let us not forget that the UAF actively campaigns against EDL marches designed to highlight child sex abuse in various towns.

A more blatant form of support for paedophiles by the UAF is hard to imagine.

These people are ill-informed, anti-democratic, hate-filled scum, as they will show tonight in Hove.
Let us not forget that the UAF actively campaigns against EDL marches designed to highlight child sex abuse in various towns. A more blatant form of support for paedophiles by the UAF is hard to imagine. These people are ill-informed, anti-democratic, hate-filled scum, as they will show tonight in Hove. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

11:23am Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

Lautoka77 wrote:
It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.
You need to look up the definition of "fascism". Fascism is, among other things, "the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism" (wikipedia). It's an extreme right wing political ideology, when used in the political context. UAF can therefore hardly be called fascist, however much you disagree with them. And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either.

What is also most definitely not fascist is shouting at people you disagree with, which is the likely outcome of this UKIP meeting/UAF protest. Anyone who can't deal with people shouting at them and heckling them has no business being in politics, never mind running crying to the police because someone might call them names....Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Lautoka77[/bold] wrote: It really is so ironic that the UAF claim to be "anti-fascist" when it is actually they who behave like fascists and use violence to silence anyone they disagree with.[/p][/quote]You need to look up the definition of "fascism". Fascism is, among other things, "the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism" (wikipedia). It's an extreme right wing political ideology, when used in the political context. UAF can therefore hardly be called fascist, however much you disagree with them. And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. What is also most definitely not fascist is shouting at people you disagree with, which is the likely outcome of this UKIP meeting/UAF protest. Anyone who can't deal with people shouting at them and heckling them has no business being in politics, never mind running crying to the police because someone might call them names....Pathetic. sharpley
  • Score: -3

11:29am Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"UAF = Unite Against Free speech
There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the term "Free Speech" at the moment. Freedom of Speech means that you can't be persecuted by the government for your opinion - it does NOT mean freedom from consequences. If you have your opinion condemmed by a large number of people, your "freedom of speech" is not being violated."

Kayleigh, there is a world of difference between disagreeing with the views of a political group and turning up to disrupt their meetings with a view to preventing them airing their views, using violence if necessary.

This is what the UAF/HopeNotHate/Unwa
shedIdiots/Antifa/wh
atever seek to do. They hate people expressing opposing views to their own.
"UAF = Unite Against Free speech There seems to be a huge misunderstanding of the term "Free Speech" at the moment. Freedom of Speech means that you can't be persecuted by the government for your opinion - it does NOT mean freedom from consequences. If you have your opinion condemmed by a large number of people, your "freedom of speech" is not being violated." Kayleigh, there is a world of difference between disagreeing with the views of a political group and turning up to disrupt their meetings with a view to preventing them airing their views, using violence if necessary. This is what the UAF/HopeNotHate/Unwa shedIdiots/Antifa/wh atever seek to do. They hate people expressing opposing views to their own. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 8

11:31am Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. "

I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.
"And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. " I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Tue 13 May 14

dawind says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism.

I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few.
@HJarrs - it's very nice to read the green parties unofficial view of UKIP, but wouldn't it be better if you told us what the greens actually stand for instead?

Tell us about your plans to nationalise energy and renationalise rail.

What about your election manifesto allegedly funded by scrapping the UK nuclear deterrent:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

Tell us about how the green party is transforming onto the labour party of the 1960s?

Tell us about how the green party fervently supports UAF and how Caroline Lucas turned up for the EDL protest?

Tell us about the green supporters who turned up at the previous UKIP protests?

Tell us about how the green party is controlled by the melon-greens (i.e. marxist communists) who hide in the background?

Tell us about how the greens seem to be no longer interested in the environment and are now more worried about holding on to the power?

Then when you have told us the truth about the greens are planning, perhaps then you can start more muck-throwing about all the other parties.

Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city!
WHAT !!
The Greens stand for all the above...Mein Gott .. what a wonderful world!
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: While UKIP does have many racist members, who are uncovered on a daily basis, being anti-EU does not constitute racism. I think those protesting against UKIP should be far more concerned by its backing by the wealthy conservative establishment and it's free market and privitisation policies that will leave ordinary people in even greater insecurity and at the whim of the wealthy few.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - it's very nice to read the green parties unofficial view of UKIP, but wouldn't it be better if you told us what the greens actually stand for instead? Tell us about your plans to nationalise energy and renationalise rail. What about your election manifesto allegedly funded by scrapping the UK nuclear deterrent: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding Tell us about how the green party is transforming onto the labour party of the 1960s? Tell us about how the green party fervently supports UAF and how Caroline Lucas turned up for the EDL protest? Tell us about the green supporters who turned up at the previous UKIP protests? Tell us about how the green party is controlled by the melon-greens (i.e. marxist communists) who hide in the background? Tell us about how the greens seem to be no longer interested in the environment and are now more worried about holding on to the power? Then when you have told us the truth about the greens are planning, perhaps then you can start more muck-throwing about all the other parties. Remember everyone - make sure you use your vote in the forthcoming elections - and make sure you vote for ANY party except green - you know how much money they have wasted on their vanity projects and what they have done to this once great city![/p][/quote]WHAT !! The Greens stand for all the above...Mein Gott .. what a wonderful world! dawind
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. "

I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.
By all means, here's a small selection for you-

In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches
trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’.

Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr
oject.org/index.php/
site/article_comment
s/a_roster_of_bigotr
y_ukip_the_tories_an
d_the_far_right
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. " I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.[/p][/quote]By all means, here's a small selection for you- In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’. Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr oject.org/index.php/ site/article_comment s/a_roster_of_bigotr y_ukip_the_tories_an d_the_far_right sharpley
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

sharpley wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. "

I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.
By all means, here's a small selection for you-

In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches

trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’.

Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr

oject.org/index.php/

site/article_comment

s/a_roster_of_bigotr

y_ukip_the_tories_an

d_the_far_right
So nothing hateful or bigoted, just people stating facts and having opinions.

The fact is that the comments of a handful of people do not indicate that the entire membership or support holds the same views, especially as when some of the adverse posts will be made by trolls.
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. " I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.[/p][/quote]By all means, here's a small selection for you- In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’. Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr oject.org/index.php/ site/article_comment s/a_roster_of_bigotr y_ukip_the_tories_an d_the_far_right[/p][/quote]So nothing hateful or bigoted, just people stating facts and having opinions. The fact is that the comments of a handful of people do not indicate that the entire membership or support holds the same views, especially as when some of the adverse posts will be made by trolls. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself... sharpley
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Tue 13 May 14

Fight_Back says...

sharpley wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. "

I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.
By all means, here's a small selection for you-

In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches

trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’.

Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr

oject.org/index.php/

site/article_comment

s/a_roster_of_bigotr

y_ukip_the_tories_an

d_the_far_right
Hardly a balanced view when the link is a far left wing website !
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "And although I think UKIP are hateful bigots I don't think they qualify as fascist either. " I'd love to ask you to explain what is bigoted and hateful about UKIP's stance, Sharpley, but we both know you won't be able to.[/p][/quote]By all means, here's a small selection for you- In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches trated conspiracies. East Sussex candidate Alex Wood posed giving a Nazi salute and clutching a knife between his teeth in front of a British flag; complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. UKIP’s Hillingdon chair joined ‘friends’ on an EDL protest, organised events with an EDL splinter group, and posed with EDL leaders and BNP members. A councillor speaks of a ‘Muslim breeding programme’ and wryly advocates letting far-right thugs murder Islamist protesters. A UKIP election agent derided ‘pakis’. A campaigner joked about flattening Mosques, killing ‘pakis’ and Muslims, and posted pictures of the Obamas as apes. A former councillor claims ‘the Jewish race is endemically racist’, refers to the ‘problem’ of Mosques ‘popping up everywhere’, and attacks the ‘homosexual slant … on sex lessons for 7 year olds’. 2010 election candidate Paul Wiffen wrote about ‘Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law’ and ‘Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into … slavery’. Links to all the above found at http://www.newleftpr oject.org/index.php/ site/article_comment s/a_roster_of_bigotr y_ukip_the_tories_an d_the_far_right[/p][/quote]Hardly a balanced view when the link is a far left wing website ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

sharpley wrote:
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
I see nothing bigoted in explaining what a mess Africa is or hoping that such a mess stays away from our shores.

I see nothing bigoted in stating the problems caused by various peoples.

All I see is your ignorance and prejudice.
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...[/p][/quote]I see nothing bigoted in explaining what a mess Africa is or hoping that such a mess stays away from our shores. I see nothing bigoted in stating the problems caused by various peoples. All I see is your ignorance and prejudice. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

The website article gathers together links to the original stories, which are found in various media outlets, including bastions of communism as The Telegraph.
The website article gathers together links to the original stories, which are found in various media outlets, including bastions of communism as The Telegraph. sharpley
  • Score: -1

12:37pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches
"

So they had allegedly made those comments whilst being members of another party, yes? No UKIP involvement, right?

Your desperation is almost as amusing as your bigotry, ignorance and prejudice.
"In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches " So they had allegedly made those comments whilst being members of another party, yes? No UKIP involvement, right? Your desperation is almost as amusing as your bigotry, ignorance and prejudice. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
sharpley wrote:
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
I see nothing bigoted in explaining what a mess Africa is or hoping that such a mess stays away from our shores.

I see nothing bigoted in stating the problems caused by various peoples.

All I see is your ignorance and prejudice.
You see nothing bigoted in blaming perceived problems on whole nationalities or on all African people? Cos that actually does sound a wee bit racist to me...And all the rest of it you've just somehow chosen to ignore completely? You don't see anything bigoted there either? Or are you just a bit shy of coming out and condoning clear racist abuse in public?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...[/p][/quote]I see nothing bigoted in explaining what a mess Africa is or hoping that such a mess stays away from our shores. I see nothing bigoted in stating the problems caused by various peoples. All I see is your ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]You see nothing bigoted in blaming perceived problems on whole nationalities or on all African people? Cos that actually does sound a wee bit racist to me...And all the rest of it you've just somehow chosen to ignore completely? You don't see anything bigoted there either? Or are you just a bit shy of coming out and condoning clear racist abuse in public? sharpley
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Tue 13 May 14

sharpley says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches

"

So they had allegedly made those comments whilst being members of another party, yes? No UKIP involvement, right?

Your desperation is almost as amusing as your bigotry, ignorance and prejudice.
Nope, that first one was a UKIP candidate who had previously been a member of the BNP. The rest are delightful comments by other active UKIPers. So no, the comments were made by UKIP members and candidates. Follow the link i posted if you want to see where the quotes originated, I'm not doing it for you.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "In the May 2013 local elections, UKIP fielded candidates who had joined the BNP and spoken at far-right meetings; ‘liked’ racist Facebook pages, including the EDL; congratulated Russia for banning gay pride marches; advocated chemically castrating parents of multiple children on benefits and murdering paedophiles; and recommended wearing a face mask to protect oneself from Bulgarian and Romanian-transmitted disease. Anna-Marie Crampton called the Second World War and Holocaust ‘Zionist’-orches " So they had allegedly made those comments whilst being members of another party, yes? No UKIP involvement, right? Your desperation is almost as amusing as your bigotry, ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Nope, that first one was a UKIP candidate who had previously been a member of the BNP. The rest are delightful comments by other active UKIPers. So no, the comments were made by UKIP members and candidates. Follow the link i posted if you want to see where the quotes originated, I'm not doing it for you. sharpley
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Tue 13 May 14

gheese77 says...

Can' UAF find any real Fascists to unite against ? I am not a UKIP supporter but there is no way you could describe them as a fascist party. UAF should rename themselves to "Unite against right wing parties that you disagree with" I think the real anger in UAF with UKIP is because UKIP will receive a share of the vote in a democratic election that UAF's hard left paymasters (think Socialist Workers Party) could only dream of.
Can' UAF find any real Fascists to unite against ? I am not a UKIP supporter but there is no way you could describe them as a fascist party. UAF should rename themselves to "Unite against right wing parties that you disagree with" I think the real anger in UAF with UKIP is because UKIP will receive a share of the vote in a democratic election that UAF's hard left paymasters (think Socialist Workers Party) could only dream of. gheese77
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"You see nothing bigoted in blaming perceived problems on whole nationalities or on all African people? "

No-one made such a comment, though. The alleged words were:

"complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. "

Nothing there about ALL Africans, only the ones who he described (accurately, in my opinion) who are barbaric enough to kill each other. We see reports on that score on a daily basis, and to deny that it happens is another sign of your own bigotry and ignorance.
"You see nothing bigoted in blaming perceived problems on whole nationalities or on all African people? " No-one made such a comment, though. The alleged words were: "complained about ‘barbaric’ Africans who live in ‘mud huts’, ‘kill each other’ and ‘disgust me’; and wrote that ‘UKIP wants to prevent … our country ending up like Africa or some third world trash can’. " Nothing there about ALL Africans, only the ones who he described (accurately, in my opinion) who are barbaric enough to kill each other. We see reports on that score on a daily basis, and to deny that it happens is another sign of your own bigotry and ignorance. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

12:53pm Tue 13 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

We live in a democracy, so UKIP are perfectly entitled to have their meeting and UAF are welcome to turn up and protest. As long as it is a peaceful protest, of course!

Personally, I abhor UKIP, but they are a legitimate political party and by turning up at these events, the UAF probably encourage larger numbers of people to support UKIP. Self defeating really.
We live in a democracy, so UKIP are perfectly entitled to have their meeting and UAF are welcome to turn up and protest. As long as it is a peaceful protest, of course! Personally, I abhor UKIP, but they are a legitimate political party and by turning up at these events, the UAF probably encourage larger numbers of people to support UKIP. Self defeating really. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 5

12:59pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Isn't it odd how Sharpley's link 'forgot' to mention that Anna-Marie Crampton was suspended from UKIP after her comments?
Isn't it odd how Sharpley's link 'forgot' to mention that Anna-Marie Crampton was suspended from UKIP after her comments? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 4

1:00pm Tue 13 May 14

rayellerton says...

In my opinion anybody, whether an individual..or a group of people, who feel they need to resort to abuse to get their message across have lost the argument. If they disagree so much why can they not debate the points which they feel do not fall in line with their own beliefs? Although I would not call the UAF fascists, they by their action are showing themselves as undemocratic...as are the main political parties who deny us the right to a referendum on EU membership. When we entered the then Common Market it was purely a trade agreement...this has changed so much over the years with rules and regulations made by unelected commissioners which impinged on our daily lives...what is so bad about allowing us to decide whether or not this is a good thing?
In my opinion anybody, whether an individual..or a group of people, who feel they need to resort to abuse to get their message across have lost the argument. If they disagree so much why can they not debate the points which they feel do not fall in line with their own beliefs? Although I would not call the UAF fascists, they by their action are showing themselves as undemocratic...as are the main political parties who deny us the right to a referendum on EU membership. When we entered the then Common Market it was purely a trade agreement...this has changed so much over the years with rules and regulations made by unelected commissioners which impinged on our daily lives...what is so bad about allowing us to decide whether or not this is a good thing? rayellerton
  • Score: 11

1:00pm Tue 13 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

The local branch of the SWP have decided that Farrage is the new Hitler. These people are beyond a joke. If they want to oppose UKIP why don't they run candidates against them in elections? Simple - they have no support amongst ordinary voters and would be annihilated.
The local branch of the SWP have decided that Farrage is the new Hitler. These people are beyond a joke. If they want to oppose UKIP why don't they run candidates against them in elections? Simple - they have no support amongst ordinary voters and would be annihilated. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 16

1:25pm Tue 13 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

The left are happy to support murder, violence and hate provided it is directed against their enemies. Where are the protests against Sinn Fein/IRA for murdering mothers of 10? Where are the protests against extremist anti-semite Islamists? Where are the protests against the class hate of Labour and the Greens?
If you follow the logic of leftist half wits above then UAF should be protesting against Labour in particular because of anti semite Lord Ahmed, racist Dianne Abbott, fraudster Denis McShane; thug Eric Joyce etc. Usual left wing double think.
The left are happy to support murder, violence and hate provided it is directed against their enemies. Where are the protests against Sinn Fein/IRA for murdering mothers of 10? Where are the protests against extremist anti-semite Islamists? Where are the protests against the class hate of Labour and the Greens? If you follow the logic of leftist half wits above then UAF should be protesting against Labour in particular because of anti semite Lord Ahmed, racist Dianne Abbott, fraudster Denis McShane; thug Eric Joyce etc. Usual left wing double think. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 11

1:26pm Tue 13 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

sharpley wrote:
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark!
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...[/p][/quote]He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -4

1:29pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
sharpley wrote:
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark!
Ah, yet another idiot who confuses 'patriotism' with 'fascism'.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...[/p][/quote]He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark![/p][/quote]Ah, yet another idiot who confuses 'patriotism' with 'fascism'. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 9

1:36pm Tue 13 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
sharpley wrote:
If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...
He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark!
Ah, yet another idiot who confuses 'patriotism' with 'fascism'.
I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all. Anyway, put your handbag away - we aren't getting into that again!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: If you can't see anything hateful or bigoted in that selection, I would suspect that you're probably somewhat to the right of Mussolini yourself...[/p][/quote]He's a patriotic March for Englander. So yeah, you aren't far off the mark![/p][/quote]Ah, yet another idiot who confuses 'patriotism' with 'fascism'.[/p][/quote]I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all. Anyway, put your handbag away - we aren't getting into that again! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -8

1:42pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all"

The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.
"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all" The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Tue 13 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all"

The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.
You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all" The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.[/p][/quote]You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -6

2:49pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all"

The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.
You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work!
That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all" The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.[/p][/quote]You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work![/p][/quote]That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Tue 13 May 14

poortaxpayer says...

This dirty rent a mob don't have any fracking or badger culls to protest against so they must find another 'cause' to protest against. UKIP should throw bars of soap at these unwashed nazi scum. That will make them run a mile.
This dirty rent a mob don't have any fracking or badger culls to protest against so they must find another 'cause' to protest against. UKIP should throw bars of soap at these unwashed nazi scum. That will make them run a mile. poortaxpayer
  • Score: 9

6:21pm Tue 13 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all"

The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.
You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work!
That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments.
Gosh, you are tedious. I'm not repeating everything Sharpley quoted re: burning mosques, killing other nationalities, posting pictures of Obamas as apes. All those things you agree with - or said you agree with earlier on. Do you have a problem with short term memory?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all" The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.[/p][/quote]You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work![/p][/quote]That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you are tedious. I'm not repeating everything Sharpley quoted re: burning mosques, killing other nationalities, posting pictures of Obamas as apes. All those things you agree with - or said you agree with earlier on. Do you have a problem with short term memory? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Tue 13 May 14

pachallis says...

Just saw the protesters at the event on BBC South East - most look to be students - placcards sponsored by 'Socialist Worker' - now there's an Oxymoron!
Just saw the protesters at the event on BBC South East - most look to be students - placcards sponsored by 'Socialist Worker' - now there's an Oxymoron! pachallis
  • Score: 7

10:11pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all"

The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.
You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work!
That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments.
Gosh, you are tedious. I'm not repeating everything Sharpley quoted re: burning mosques, killing other nationalities, posting pictures of Obamas as apes. All those things you agree with - or said you agree with earlier on. Do you have a problem with short term memory?
So you've no quotes from me that show 'racism' or support for the Nazis.

Isn't it more a case of you seeing things which aren't actually there in order to demonstrate both your general ignorance and your own prejudices?

The comments you mention were made by *gasp* people who aren't me, yet you claim that they are.


You're pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "I think your agreement with the views in that post that Sharpley added says it all" The view that the Africans who go around butchering each other are barbarians who we really don't want living amongst us? Don't confuse 'racism' with 'speaking the truth.[/p][/quote]You said nothing in that entire post was racist. I beg to differ. You need to do your handbag up, you dropped your copy of Mein Kampf. Anyway, back to work![/p][/quote]That'll give you time to work out what your own post meant and explain it to us using examples of alleged racist comments.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you are tedious. I'm not repeating everything Sharpley quoted re: burning mosques, killing other nationalities, posting pictures of Obamas as apes. All those things you agree with - or said you agree with earlier on. Do you have a problem with short term memory?[/p][/quote]So you've no quotes from me that show 'racism' or support for the Nazis. Isn't it more a case of you seeing things which aren't actually there in order to demonstrate both your general ignorance and your own prejudices? The comments you mention were made by *gasp* people who aren't me, yet you claim that they are. You're pathetic. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

10:13pm Tue 13 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

poortaxpayer wrote:
This dirty rent a mob don't have any fracking or badger culls to protest against so they must find another 'cause' to protest against. UKIP should throw bars of soap at these unwashed nazi scum. That will make them run a mile.
It was most amusing how the rain made them melt away into the night.
[quote][p][bold]poortaxpayer[/bold] wrote: This dirty rent a mob don't have any fracking or badger culls to protest against so they must find another 'cause' to protest against. UKIP should throw bars of soap at these unwashed nazi scum. That will make them run a mile.[/p][/quote]It was most amusing how the rain made them melt away into the night. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

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