UKIP promises "political earthquake" as local and EU polls open

UKIP promises

UKIP promises "political earthquake" as local and EU polls open

First published in News by , local government reporter

THOUSANDS of voters have gone to the polls today (THURS) across the South East for the 2014 local and European elections.

A total of 55 seats will be fought over by 237 candidates in local council wards in Adur and Worthing, Hastings and Crawley.

With polls closing at 10pm tonight it will be an anxious overnight wait for potential councillors.

And with both Labour and the Conservative Party using this year’s elections as a yard stick in preparation of next year’s Westminster election, many eyes will be looking closely at the result on Craw ley council with the Labour party labelling the parliamentary seat a key target in 2015.

But it’s the election to the European Parliament that is causing the biggest political buzz with Nigel Farage’s anti-EU party UKIP vowing to cause a “political earthquake” with many polls predicting his band of anti-establishment candidates will come out on top in the voting.

The latest YouGov poll, published on Monday ahead of today’s election, put UKIP on 31% nationally, ahead of Labour who are in second place with 25%.

The Green Party is also buoyed by recent polling, which shows in the South East they now stand on 14%, just 1% shy of gaining a second MEP in the area.

MEP candidate and current Brighton and Hove councillor for the Greens Alexandra Phillips, said: “Only the Greens are promising real change for the good.

“The other parties simply offer more of the same, with Labour and Conservatives fighting over which can cut welfare the most and which can privatise our schools and hospitals the quickest. Even UKIP, led by a former banker, is firmly locked into the old, failed ways of running the economy, even if it’s dangerously more extreme in other areas.”

Also looking to do well in this year’s EU parliamentary election is the Conservative party, which currently has the most sitting MEPs in the South East with five.

MEP Dan Hannan said he wanted to return to Brussels to fight to bring powers back to Westminster.

He added: “Nothing would make me happier than to lose my job as a result of the UK replacing EU membership with membership of a customs union. Until that day comes, I’ll carry on as I began, exposing and campaigning against excessive spending, blocking bad laws, seeking to return powers from Brussels to Westminster.”

Comments (58)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

7:33am Thu 22 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election.
Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 15

7:34am Thu 22 May 14

rogerthefish says...

A protest vote really, a party that's full of loonys bit like the facist version of the Greens.
A protest vote really, a party that's full of loonys bit like the facist version of the Greens. rogerthefish
  • Score: -14

7:54am Thu 22 May 14

leftysmellbags says...

Go UKIP - Show these other corrupt bunch of W%ankers what for.
Go UKIP - Show these other corrupt bunch of W%ankers what for. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 11

7:58am Thu 22 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Alexandra Phillips says “Only the Greens are promising real change for the good". Is she for real? They have ruined this town/city, that silly little so called political party have made us a laughing stock. Why cant we get rid of them today instead of having to wait for another year??
Alexandra Phillips says “Only the Greens are promising real change for the good". Is she for real? They have ruined this town/city, that silly little so called political party have made us a laughing stock. Why cant we get rid of them today instead of having to wait for another year?? SonnyJim55
  • Score: 30

8:36am Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Alexandra Phillips says “Only the Greens are promising real change for the good". Is she for real? They have ruined this town/city, that silly little so called political party have made us a laughing stock. Why cant we get rid of them today instead of having to wait for another year??
WOLF!
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: Alexandra Phillips says “Only the Greens are promising real change for the good". Is she for real? They have ruined this town/city, that silly little so called political party have made us a laughing stock. Why cant we get rid of them today instead of having to wait for another year??[/p][/quote]WOLF! HJarrs
  • Score: -22

9:22am Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

Voting for UKIP is not a vote "to get our country back". It's a vote for fascism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and stupidity.
Voting for UKIP is not a vote "to get our country back". It's a vote for fascism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and stupidity. Eugenius
  • Score: -12

9:23am Thu 22 May 14

straightasadye says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election.
........ and grass on estates left uncut now over a metre high.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election.[/p][/quote]........ and grass on estates left uncut now over a metre high. straightasadye
  • Score: 18

10:05am Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

straightasadye wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election.
........ and grass on estates left uncut now over a metre high.
Lower pollution rates, millions of external investment for business and infrastructure projects including the £150 million Greater Brighton deal, first council houses in years, sorted out the council bankrupting equal pay issues, living wage introduction etc, all against the most savage cuts in government funding. Yep, those Greens have been a disaster and ruined the city!
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Vote Green and get lower recycling rates, higher pollution rates and higher rates, sorry Community charge. Sure the Greens will go gzunder at the next election.[/p][/quote]........ and grass on estates left uncut now over a metre high.[/p][/quote]Lower pollution rates, millions of external investment for business and infrastructure projects including the £150 million Greater Brighton deal, first council houses in years, sorted out the council bankrupting equal pay issues, living wage introduction etc, all against the most savage cuts in government funding. Yep, those Greens have been a disaster and ruined the city! HJarrs
  • Score: -20

10:11am Thu 22 May 14

FC says...

I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs? FC
  • Score: -12

10:41am Thu 22 May 14

The Real Phil says...

The ballot paper was looking really scary when I made my mark. There were of course the 4 main political parties, the rest of the list being made up of groups or individuals from the right, the far right, the real right, the extreme right, the seriously right and so on.
The media have done a really good job in whipping up hysteria prior to these elections so it will be anyone's call as to what we end up with once the votes are cast.
The ballot paper was looking really scary when I made my mark. There were of course the 4 main political parties, the rest of the list being made up of groups or individuals from the right, the far right, the real right, the extreme right, the seriously right and so on. The media have done a really good job in whipping up hysteria prior to these elections so it will be anyone's call as to what we end up with once the votes are cast. The Real Phil
  • Score: 4

10:47am Thu 22 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 4

10:54am Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

@HJarrs and @Eugenius - great to see the green party spin doctors spreading their doom and despondency about other parties again.

Thankfully we live in a democracy and can choose who we want to vote for and can ignore the left-wing anti-capitalist activist drivel that you spout.

It will be very interesting to see what the result of the elections will be - especially in light of the dire performance of the green-led council in Brighton & Hove - increased pollution in the city centre - refuse strikes - Mx and gender neutral toilets - 20mph zones in the wring places and almost totally ignored - etc. etc. etc.
@HJarrs and @Eugenius - great to see the green party spin doctors spreading their doom and despondency about other parties again. Thankfully we live in a democracy and can choose who we want to vote for and can ignore the left-wing anti-capitalist activist drivel that you spout. It will be very interesting to see what the result of the elections will be - especially in light of the dire performance of the green-led council in Brighton & Hove - increased pollution in the city centre - refuse strikes - Mx and gender neutral toilets - 20mph zones in the wring places and almost totally ignored - etc. etc. etc. pachallis
  • Score: 13

10:58am Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
@FC - I think the problem is that these are anti-green rather than necessarily pro-UKIP comments. The green spin-doctors just can't seem to keep quiet and attract down-votes every time they say anything. If only they could learn to keep quite occasionally.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]@FC - I think the problem is that these are anti-green rather than necessarily pro-UKIP comments. The green spin-doctors just can't seem to keep quiet and attract down-votes every time they say anything. If only they could learn to keep quite occasionally. pachallis
  • Score: 11

11:06am Thu 22 May 14

spa301 says...

HJarrs and Eugenius = usual drivel, different day.
You're not fooling anyone. We foolishly let the lunatics take over the asylum and now we're all waiting for 2015 to throw you back into the shadows where you belong.
HJarrs and Eugenius = usual drivel, different day. You're not fooling anyone. We foolishly let the lunatics take over the asylum and now we're all waiting for 2015 to throw you back into the shadows where you belong. spa301
  • Score: 12

11:29am Thu 22 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Eugenius wrote:
Voting for UKIP is not a vote "to get our country back". It's a vote for fascism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and stupidity.
The genuine voice of a hate filled Green. Smearing millions of people due to your extremist idelogy.

Can you identify yourself? I think you need equalities training.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: Voting for UKIP is not a vote "to get our country back". It's a vote for fascism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and stupidity.[/p][/quote]The genuine voice of a hate filled Green. Smearing millions of people due to your extremist idelogy. Can you identify yourself? I think you need equalities training. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 6

11:40am Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs and @Eugenius - great to see the green party spin doctors spreading their doom and despondency about other parties again.

Thankfully we live in a democracy and can choose who we want to vote for and can ignore the left-wing anti-capitalist activist drivel that you spout.

It will be very interesting to see what the result of the elections will be - especially in light of the dire performance of the green-led council in Brighton & Hove - increased pollution in the city centre - refuse strikes - Mx and gender neutral toilets - 20mph zones in the wring places and almost totally ignored - etc. etc. etc.
Now you are just a bit sore after your attempt to portray the Green Party as having no environmental policies fell flat.

That the Greens get such a high vote despite near media invisibility, not being part of the establishment and not receiving millions in funding from financial services, small groups of individuals seeking influence or trade unions ( though they at least are democratic) is down the hard work of ordinary people that make up Green support and the hundreds of thousands of voters that have made their own Independent decision to vote Green. Good on them all. Thank goodness so many people are positive about dealing with the challenges we face.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs and @Eugenius - great to see the green party spin doctors spreading their doom and despondency about other parties again. Thankfully we live in a democracy and can choose who we want to vote for and can ignore the left-wing anti-capitalist activist drivel that you spout. It will be very interesting to see what the result of the elections will be - especially in light of the dire performance of the green-led council in Brighton & Hove - increased pollution in the city centre - refuse strikes - Mx and gender neutral toilets - 20mph zones in the wring places and almost totally ignored - etc. etc. etc.[/p][/quote]Now you are just a bit sore after your attempt to portray the Green Party as having no environmental policies fell flat. That the Greens get such a high vote despite near media invisibility, not being part of the establishment and not receiving millions in funding from financial services, small groups of individuals seeking influence or trade unions ( though they at least are democratic) is down the hard work of ordinary people that make up Green support and the hundreds of thousands of voters that have made their own Independent decision to vote Green. Good on them all. Thank goodness so many people are positive about dealing with the challenges we face. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

12:33pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys. pachallis
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

UKIP are the only serious party seeking to restore this country's sovereignty after decades of treachery by the three main parties.

There is nothing xenophobic about wanting to govern oneself, and people who claim otherwise are morons.
UKIP are the only serious party seeking to restore this country's sovereignty after decades of treachery by the three main parties. There is nothing xenophobic about wanting to govern oneself, and people who claim otherwise are morons. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

1:27pm Thu 22 May 14

straightasadye says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
.... well you do now - I AM!!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.[/p][/quote].... well you do now - I AM!! straightasadye
  • Score: 6

1:36pm Thu 22 May 14

Worthing Jim says...

straightasadye wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
.... well you do now - I AM!!
Well, I hope you have corks on the ends of your cutlery.

It's going to look great on the International stage with major players like China and the USA when they see Britain voting for a spiteful, hypocritical, BNP-Lite party who seems to think the best thing after a recession is turn to our near European trading partners and effectively tell them to go stuff themselves. Vote for UKIP and you'll get what you wish for, dear Little Englanders. A little Isolated Island that no-one will take seriously.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.[/p][/quote].... well you do now - I AM!![/p][/quote]Well, I hope you have corks on the ends of your cutlery. It's going to look great on the International stage with major players like China and the USA when they see Britain voting for a spiteful, hypocritical, BNP-Lite party who seems to think the best thing after a recession is turn to our near European trading partners and effectively tell them to go stuff themselves. Vote for UKIP and you'll get what you wish for, dear Little Englanders. A little Isolated Island that no-one will take seriously. Worthing Jim
  • Score: -5

1:51pm Thu 22 May 14

Brighton Living says...

I understand the pointlessness of UKIP...what I don't get is why the main parties still dont understand why people vote for them...its not coz they're good..it's coz your absolutely useless liars...don't you get that??
I understand the pointlessness of UKIP...what I don't get is why the main parties still dont understand why people vote for them...its not coz they're good..it's coz your absolutely useless liars...don't you get that?? Brighton Living
  • Score: 8

1:53pm Thu 22 May 14

spa301 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
Do you really believe some of these commentators have multiple accounts just to vote people down on this insignificant little Argus website? Bizarre!
UKIP are filling a gap caused by the concerns of regular folk that were simply ignored by the other 3 parties. I believe it to be a protest vote but I think you will be very surprised by their popularity.
As for the Greens they're are simply laughable. Shame their joke's on my much loved city.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe some of these commentators have multiple accounts just to vote people down on this insignificant little Argus website? Bizarre! UKIP are filling a gap caused by the concerns of regular folk that were simply ignored by the other 3 parties. I believe it to be a protest vote but I think you will be very surprised by their popularity. As for the Greens they're are simply laughable. Shame their joke's on my much loved city. spa301
  • Score: 4

1:56pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

I'm wondering if the Argus received payment from UKIP for this polling day advertorial....
I'm wondering if the Argus received payment from UKIP for this polling day advertorial.... Eugenius
  • Score: -6

2:47pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

3:02pm Thu 22 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

spa301 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
Do you really believe some of these commentators have multiple accounts just to vote people down on this insignificant little Argus website? Bizarre!
UKIP are filling a gap caused by the concerns of regular folk that were simply ignored by the other 3 parties. I believe it to be a protest vote but I think you will be very surprised by their popularity.
As for the Greens they're are simply laughable. Shame their joke's on my much loved city.
Are you kidding? The Argus is troll central. I wonder what happened to that old troll Somethingsarejustwro
ng. He must have been booted off eventually. So, no I don't think people are creating accounts just to vote up or down - but anyone can thumbs up a comment again and again so it means nothing. And some people post under multiple accounts and have been caught out doing it.

I believe it is a protest vote too. I was just saying I don't personally now anyone who is voting UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe some of these commentators have multiple accounts just to vote people down on this insignificant little Argus website? Bizarre! UKIP are filling a gap caused by the concerns of regular folk that were simply ignored by the other 3 parties. I believe it to be a protest vote but I think you will be very surprised by their popularity. As for the Greens they're are simply laughable. Shame their joke's on my much loved city.[/p][/quote]Are you kidding? The Argus is troll central. I wonder what happened to that old troll Somethingsarejustwro ng. He must have been booted off eventually. So, no I don't think people are creating accounts just to vote up or down - but anyone can thumbs up a comment again and again so it means nothing. And some people post under multiple accounts and have been caught out doing it. I believe it is a protest vote too. I was just saying I don't personally now anyone who is voting UKIP. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

3:04pm Thu 22 May 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

straightasadye wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
FC wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting.

I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?
Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.
.... well you do now - I AM!!
I don't know you! Thankfully!
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of down-votes Anti-UKIP comments are getting. I'm seriously worried. Is Brighton secretly full of right-wing nutjobs?[/p][/quote]Remember that some of these people have multiple accounts, or use different devices so they can thumbs things up or down. I don't know anyone who is planning to vote UKIP.[/p][/quote].... well you do now - I AM!![/p][/quote]I don't know you! Thankfully! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -2

3:17pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for? pachallis
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"I believe it is a protest vote too. I was just saying I don't personally now anyone who is voting UKIP."

They'd probably think it wise not to tell you.
"I believe it is a protest vote too. I was just saying I don't personally now anyone who is voting UKIP." They'd probably think it wise not to tell you. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has
pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish.
I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish. Eugenius
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has
pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish.
@Eugenius - I see you are still just throwing muck at the other parties - why not just tell us why the Greens are better instead?

You are getting as pathetic as @HJarrs - encouraging people to not vote for the greens rather than not voting for any other party.

P.S. Are you paid for by the green party, or directly by the council, to provide PR? I just ask because you seem to provide a lot of links to council documents that back up your (sometime dubious) claims. Also you seem to spend an awful lot of your day posting, so I assume if you were employed by a real employer they would have sacked you by now for wasting company time - unless of course you are a subsidised union rep?

I think you should come clean about who you are and how you are funded.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish.[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I see you are still just throwing muck at the other parties - why not just tell us why the Greens are better instead? You are getting as pathetic as @HJarrs - encouraging people to not vote for the greens rather than not voting for any other party. P.S. Are you paid for by the green party, or directly by the council, to provide PR? I just ask because you seem to provide a lot of links to council documents that back up your (sometime dubious) claims. Also you seem to spend an awful lot of your day posting, so I assume if you were employed by a real employer they would have sacked you by now for wasting company time - unless of course you are a subsidised union rep? I think you should come clean about who you are and how you are funded. pachallis
  • Score: 5

3:54pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Eugenius wrote:
I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has
pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish.
I think that you'll find that many voters will hold their noses whilst voting for a a party because the policies or the cause are far more important.

I don't stop supporting my team just because I hate the manager.

The expenses in question are freely given to ALL MEP's - no-one applies for them.

Hamilton isn't being harboured by anyone, and even though I find the guy distasteful it won't stop me from supporting the one party that will take us out of the EU and restore our sovereignty.

I always think that people who are ignorant on a subject should refrain from stating an opinion on it.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm dumbfounded that so many think that this ugly party led by a man who has pocketed millions of pounds in (often dubious) expenses at taxpayers' cost and which also harbours the unsavoury Neil "cash for questions" Hamilton is somehow a "breath of fresh air". The truth is they stink of rotten fish.[/p][/quote]I think that you'll find that many voters will hold their noses whilst voting for a a party because the policies or the cause are far more important. I don't stop supporting my team just because I hate the manager. The expenses in question are freely given to ALL MEP's - no-one applies for them. Hamilton isn't being harboured by anyone, and even though I find the guy distasteful it won't stop me from supporting the one party that will take us out of the EU and restore our sovereignty. I always think that people who are ignorant on a subject should refrain from stating an opinion on it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

4:02pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.
I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling. Eugenius
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Eugenius wrote:
I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.
I wasn't aware that it was possible to love this city and love the Greens.

Everything the Greens do seems to show hatred of the people who live here.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.[/p][/quote]I wasn't aware that it was possible to love this city and love the Greens. Everything the Greens do seems to show hatred of the people who live here. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'? pachallis
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.
@Eugenius - you sound very similar to me - I think that the council and councillors of all political parties need to be held to account for their actions - unfortunately I totally disagree with extreme-left wing anti-capitalist pro-minority stance of the current green councillors. Even after May 2015, assuming the greens are chucked out en-mass, I'll then start goading whoever next comes to power...
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - you sound very similar to me - I think that the council and councillors of all political parties need to be held to account for their actions - unfortunately I totally disagree with extreme-left wing anti-capitalist pro-minority stance of the current green councillors. Even after May 2015, assuming the greens are chucked out en-mass, I'll then start goading whoever next comes to power... pachallis
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Thu 22 May 14

spa301 says...

H.Jarrs and Eugenius.
If I were a member of the Green party I would beg you both to stop your constant commenting as you do the Greens far more harm than good.
However I'm not so you both keep it up as you're the anti Greens secret weapon.
H.Jarrs and Eugenius. If I were a member of the Green party I would beg you both to stop your constant commenting as you do the Greens far more harm than good. However I'm not so you both keep it up as you're the anti Greens secret weapon. spa301
  • Score: 5

4:55pm Thu 22 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Eugenius wrote:
I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.
You also appear to be dishonest. You previously stated you were a Green Councillor. Now please identify yourself. That way we can report you to the Council Commissar who deals with people who have been "offended" by Councillor's comments. You should then be hauled up before a Kangaroo Court who order you to be re-educated. You know the sort of thing, you and the rest of the apparatchiks love that sort of thing. You are always taking "offence and reporting people to the authorities. It is how the Left operate.
Do you have the guts to reveal yourself or are you a Green Troll?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.[/p][/quote]You also appear to be dishonest. You previously stated you were a Green Councillor. Now please identify yourself. That way we can report you to the Council Commissar who deals with people who have been "offended" by Councillor's comments. You should then be hauled up before a Kangaroo Court who order you to be re-educated. You know the sort of thing, you and the rest of the apparatchiks love that sort of thing. You are always taking "offence and reporting people to the authorities. It is how the Left operate. Do you have the guts to reveal yourself or are you a Green Troll? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -2

4:59pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.
You also appear to be dishonest. You previously stated you were a Green Councillor. Now please identify yourself. That way we can report you to the Council Commissar who deals with people who have been "offended" by Councillor's comments. You should then be hauled up before a Kangaroo Court who order you to be re-educated. You know the sort of thing, you and the rest of the apparatchiks love that sort of thing. You are always taking "offence and reporting people to the authorities. It is how the Left operate.
Do you have the guts to reveal yourself or are you a Green Troll?
I have never stated I was a councillor and have made it clear on many occasions that I am not. I might consider it as a vocation one day as I like being helpful.
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: I'm not paid by anyone for PR work but for some strange reason have taken it upon myself to counter the myths and untruths posted here by political shills mounting a whispering campaign against the Greens. I confess to being a fan of the Green Party and Brighton & Hove City Council (I'm just a civic-minded politics geek who loves this city) but am not currently privy to any inside information, I'm just very good at googling.[/p][/quote]You also appear to be dishonest. You previously stated you were a Green Councillor. Now please identify yourself. That way we can report you to the Council Commissar who deals with people who have been "offended" by Councillor's comments. You should then be hauled up before a Kangaroo Court who order you to be re-educated. You know the sort of thing, you and the rest of the apparatchiks love that sort of thing. You are always taking "offence and reporting people to the authorities. It is how the Left operate. Do you have the guts to reveal yourself or are you a Green Troll?[/p][/quote]I have never stated I was a councillor and have made it clear on many occasions that I am not. I might consider it as a vocation one day as I like being helpful. Eugenius
  • Score: 3

5:58pm Thu 22 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.
Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -3

6:57pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.
Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses.
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.[/p][/quote]Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

7:08pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses."

You plainly have no idea what UKIP is or what the EU Parliament does.

The expenses are freely given by the EU to ALL MEPs, so no matter which ones we send, the expenses are given.

UKIP was formed to get the UK out of the EU. Those who vote for it do so knowing (and inded hoping) that UKIP MEPs won't be voting for anything which gives the EU any more power or credibility. This is why UKIP MEPs vote against measures designed to make the EU look 'cuddly', such as ivory trading (already illegal in the UK).

As I said, if you are ignorant on a topic, it's always wise not to offer opinions on it.
"Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses." You plainly have no idea what UKIP is or what the EU Parliament does. The expenses are freely given by the EU to ALL MEPs, so no matter which ones we send, the expenses are given. UKIP was formed to get the UK out of the EU. Those who vote for it do so knowing (and inded hoping) that UKIP MEPs won't be voting for anything which gives the EU any more power or credibility. This is why UKIP MEPs vote against measures designed to make the EU look 'cuddly', such as ivory trading (already illegal in the UK). As I said, if you are ignorant on a topic, it's always wise not to offer opinions on it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.
Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses.
@HJarrs - possibly soon to be joined by green MEP gravy-trainers Alex Phillips and Jason Kitcat - you remember your green councillors who've seen the writing on the wall and can then start acting like their mentor Caroline Lucas and also ignore their constituents.

Please keep up the anti-green propaganda!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.[/p][/quote]Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - possibly soon to be joined by green MEP gravy-trainers Alex Phillips and Jason Kitcat - you remember your green councillors who've seen the writing on the wall and can then start acting like their mentor Caroline Lucas and also ignore their constituents. Please keep up the anti-green propaganda! pachallis
  • Score: 1

7:27pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it?
The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it? Eugenius
  • Score: 4

7:38pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss... HJarrs
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.
Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses.
@HJarrs - possibly soon to be joined by green MEP gravy-trainers Alex Phillips and Jason Kitcat - you remember your green councillors who've seen the writing on the wall and can then start acting like their mentor Caroline Lucas and also ignore their constituents.

Please keep up the anti-green propaganda!
In the last EU term all UK MEPs except UKIP's worked within the EU in the interests of the country as they saw it. I would not agree with all that was done, however, how did UKIP fight to improve things for citizens in the UK? They didn't. They had a long holiday at the tax payer's expense. Those that wanted to get involved defected to other parties. It is one thing to want to leave the EU, quite another to neglect your constituents.

Now I fear that all UKIP will do is sabotage.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: Just voted for UKIP. There is no contest between decent, honest, patriotic UKIP and the nasty, quisling Greens.[/p][/quote]Oops! Looks like you voted for the wrong party! You just voted for the gravy trainers who will do nothing for their constituents of the country except max out the expenses.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - possibly soon to be joined by green MEP gravy-trainers Alex Phillips and Jason Kitcat - you remember your green councillors who've seen the writing on the wall and can then start acting like their mentor Caroline Lucas and also ignore their constituents. Please keep up the anti-green propaganda![/p][/quote]In the last EU term all UK MEPs except UKIP's worked within the EU in the interests of the country as they saw it. I would not agree with all that was done, however, how did UKIP fight to improve things for citizens in the UK? They didn't. They had a long holiday at the tax payer's expense. Those that wanted to get involved defected to other parties. It is one thing to want to leave the EU, quite another to neglect your constituents. Now I fear that all UKIP will do is sabotage. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

8:11pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"In the last EU term all UK MEPs except UKIP's worked within the EU in the interests of the country as they saw it. I would not agree with all that was done, "

What exactly ws 'done' that you approved of and which benefited the people of the UK?
"In the last EU term all UK MEPs except UKIP's worked within the EU in the interests of the country as they saw it. I would not agree with all that was done, " What exactly ws 'done' that you approved of and which benefited the people of the UK? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

8:12pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Eugenius wrote:
The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it?
Maybe if we didn't give £55 million PER DAY to the EU, we could keep that money and give them a bit more?

You seem easily pleased.....are you a fan of tin foil?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Maybe if we didn't give £55 million PER DAY to the EU, we could keep that money and give them a bit more? You seem easily pleased.....are you a fan of tin foil? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

8:25pm Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front. pachallis
  • Score: 4

8:30pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

8:36pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.
No matter what those policies are??



Jeez......
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.[/p][/quote]No matter what those policies are?? Jeez...... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Thu 22 May 14

Eugenius says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it?
Maybe if we didn't give £55 million PER DAY to the EU, we could keep that money and give them a bit more?

You seem easily pleased.....are you a fan of tin foil?
That figure of £55m per day is disputed, I read that £24m is more accurate, or 38 pence per person per day. I personally think the UK economy benefits rather more than that by being part of the world's largest single market with no trade tariffs. In any case the Green Party supports an in-out referendum to let the British people decide.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: The public and voluntary sector in Brighton & Hove benefits from on average £4million in direct European Union grants every year. Of course it would be much more patriotic to turn that funding down, wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Maybe if we didn't give £55 million PER DAY to the EU, we could keep that money and give them a bit more? You seem easily pleased.....are you a fan of tin foil?[/p][/quote]That figure of £55m per day is disputed, I read that £24m is more accurate, or 38 pence per person per day. I personally think the UK economy benefits rather more than that by being part of the world's largest single market with no trade tariffs. In any case the Green Party supports an in-out referendum to let the British people decide. Eugenius
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.
No matter what those policies are??



Jeez......
Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.[/p][/quote]No matter what those policies are?? Jeez......[/p][/quote]Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

Here is one for the moanerati. Are we all supporting the Argus strike? I am. Good luck to the strikers.
Here is one for the moanerati. Are we all supporting the Argus strike? I am. Good luck to the strikers. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

10:44pm Thu 22 May 14

doggle says...

Too funny.
Admit it Argus staff, you just put this article out as clickbait for the swivel-eyed trolls and now you're sitting in your office in Southampton peeing yourself laughing.
I know I am :-)
Too funny. Admit it Argus staff, you just put this article out as clickbait for the swivel-eyed trolls and now you're sitting in your office in Southampton peeing yourself laughing. I know I am :-) doggle
  • Score: 1

1:14am Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.
No matter what those policies are??



Jeez......
Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before.
So you've contradicted yourself.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.[/p][/quote]No matter what those policies are?? Jeez......[/p][/quote]Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before.[/p][/quote]So you've contradicted yourself. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

7:25am Fri 23 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
@HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail...

Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'.

replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'.

You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision.

I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.
Shriek is about your limit.

Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.
@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens.

Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them.

I wonder who you will be voting for?
Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.
@HJarrs,

So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist?

Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party?

We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well!

You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?
You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth.

When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy.

You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...
@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit.

I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently.

The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.
I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.
No matter what those policies are??



Jeez......
Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before.
So you've contradicted yourself.
I understand the word contradiction, and while we all contradict ourselves from time to time I can't actually see any contradiction in my response to your odd comment.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: @HJarrs - If I could liken you to Donkey in Shrek then when they are in jail... Donkey says 'What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!'. replies 'Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.'. You just don't get it do you - every time you post something it makes the greens look worse. Every time you post you attract derision. I agree with @Cyril Bolleaux - both you and @Eugenius appear as hate filled extreme left-wing anti-capitalist ideologist donkeys.[/p][/quote]Shriek is about your limit. Do tell us about which party you will be voting for today and why.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - Who I am voting for is my personal, secret, choice but as you can proabably imagine will not be for the extreme left-wing anti-capitalist activist incompetent, ideological, irresponsible, innumerate, idiotic Greens. Now if there were a centre or right wing party that was really concerned about the environment and did so in a pragmatic, realistic, responsible, economic way and considered the needs of residents then I would definitely vote for them. I wonder who you will be voting for?[/p][/quote]Hmmm turbo capitalist environmental party. You are going to struggle there. Perhaps it might just be because its a contradiction.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs, So according to you 'environmental' automatically means you have to be left-wing anti-capitalist? Therefore anyone who is centre or right-wing or works hard or invests should NOT and can NOT support the green party? We'd better let anyone else thinking of voting green know this as well! You really aren't up to this job are you! Have you though of joining the 'Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain'?[/p][/quote]You are a bit extreme Patchy. You can label me what you like, I am not bothered. Like a lot of people I am a mixed economy person, nothing wrong with investments and the market to a degree, ordinary people should own and direct core services, and it wrong when a small number of people can game the system and accumulate great wealth. When capitalism alone or neo-conservative or neo-liberal policies are pursued with vigour it always ends in disaster. In 2008 the "capitalists" where only bailed out by socialist nationalisation, without that we would be back in the Stone Age! We all paid to bail out the wealthy. You know, I am not actually sure that "capitalism" really exists. It might be just a smoke screen theory for return to dynastic type rule. Discuss...[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - WDR I have got no idea what you are talking about with neo this and that. Sounds a bit like something a group of politics students might discuss after 8 pints of heavy. Your comments agreed with the green-left in that they are anti-capitalist and that you need to be so to be an environmentalist - if that is what you think then sobeit. I do think that the current non-environmental (and I do stick to that claim) activist anti-capitalistic extreme left green party is doomed to failure - especially with it's lack of any centralised policy group that allows for proposed actions to be vetted before being implemented rather than each activist seeming to go after their own favourite schemes independently. The greens today do sound to me like the labour party of the 60s mixed with a dash of Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.[/p][/quote]I'm not not even going to bother. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll just stick to voting for a party that makes its policies in the most democratic manner of any party.[/p][/quote]No matter what those policies are?? Jeez......[/p][/quote]Er...no. Why would I do that? If a party no longer reasonably reflects my world view, I will leave it. Done it before.[/p][/quote]So you've contradicted yourself.[/p][/quote]I understand the word contradiction, and while we all contradict ourselves from time to time I can't actually see any contradiction in my response to your odd comment. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

12:12pm Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"I understand the word contradiction, and while we all contradict ourselves from time to time I can't actually see any contradiction in my response to your odd comment."

You stated that you vote Green because of the democratic way it creates its policies.

You then stated that you vote for it because you agree with what those policies are.

Both cannot be the reason you vote Green.

HTH.
"I understand the word contradiction, and while we all contradict ourselves from time to time I can't actually see any contradiction in my response to your odd comment." You stated that you vote Green because of the democratic way it creates its policies. You then stated that you vote for it because you agree with what those policies are. Both cannot be the reason you vote Green. HTH. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree