Residents levy criticism at "shambolic" parking scheme

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Residents levy criticism at "shambolic" parking scheme

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A “shambolic” park- ing scheme has come under renewed criticism after pay and display machines were activated before the restrictions were officially imposed.

Council bosses have since apologised after it meant drivers have been paying to park when they didn’t have to.

This comes as the latest in a series of blunders relating to the parking restrictions in the Preston Park zone E area in Brighton.

Earlier this month on May 1, council workers unveiled signs introducing the scheme only to be forced to return and quickly cover them up again after confused residents pointed out the pay and display machines hadn’t been installed.

The mistake meant the restrictions were not intro- duced until May 19.

But it has now been revealed when some of the new machines were finally delivered, they were uncovered and activated days before the May 19 roll out, meaning some drivers had been paying to park before they had to.

Residents who live on the affected streets have reported seeing people using the pay and display machines in Tivoli Crescent North and from outside the Post Office in Matlock Road.

Neighbours have also been left fuming after it was revealed they would have to pay £120 for a parking permit for the rest of the year for the five days a week restriction, which is the same cost as some seven-day schemes in other parts of the city.

Nigel Goddard, who has launched an official com- plaint with the council over the debacle, said: “Zone E is currently the only area in Brighton to have these charges unfairly imposed upon the residents. “The residents are not being treated equally.

“This is yet another exam- ple of how shambolic this scheme is.”

A council spokesman has said drivers were legally responsible for purchasing a ticket from May 1. He said: “The Preston Park North parking scheme officially started on May 1 and parking charges were legally payable from then.

“The pay and display machines were unfortu- nately not ready for the start date so drivers were able to use the bays for free until they were set up.

“Because resident permit holders in the area were not able to fully benefit from the scheme until it was com- pletely operational and enforced on May 19 they have been given an additional month’s parking on their permits.”

The spokesman added: “We apologise for any confusion but many machines were not ready for May 1 as expected.”

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11:29am Fri 23 May 14

Quiterie says...

I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.
I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity. Quiterie
  • Score: -15

11:41am Fri 23 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

Quiterie wrote:
I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.
And which part of La La land are you currently residing?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.[/p][/quote]And which part of La La land are you currently residing? We love Red Billy
  • Score: 26

12:36pm Fri 23 May 14

cynic_the says...

Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend. cynic_the
  • Score: 23

1:37pm Fri 23 May 14

gheese77 says...

cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces.
On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces. On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there. gheese77
  • Score: -15

2:03pm Fri 23 May 14

cynic_the says...

gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces.
On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.
So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well.

If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free!

I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces. On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.[/p][/quote]So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well. If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free! I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly.... cynic_the
  • Score: -6

2:33pm Fri 23 May 14

tekniko says...

It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival.
It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival. tekniko
  • Score: 11

2:45pm Fri 23 May 14

s&k says...

tekniko wrote:
It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival.
Well there is Pay & Display.
[quote][p][bold]tekniko[/bold] wrote: It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival.[/p][/quote]Well there is Pay & Display. s&k
  • Score: -8

2:51pm Fri 23 May 14

gheese77 says...

cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces.
On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.
So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well.

If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free!

I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....
I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces. On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.[/p][/quote]So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well. If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free! I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....[/p][/quote]I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house. gheese77
  • Score: 4

2:52pm Fri 23 May 14

tekniko says...

s&k wrote:
tekniko wrote:
It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival.
Well there is Pay & Display.
No, you've missed my point, there isn't Pay and Display! Most of the area is Residents ONLY!
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tekniko[/bold] wrote: It's been so badly implemented all over the city. The planners have absolutely no idea. 5 Ways area for example, most streets are residents only, where are the visitors meant to park then? It's certainly stuffed visitors to the Artists Open Houses during the May festival.[/p][/quote]Well there is Pay & Display.[/p][/quote]No, you've missed my point, there isn't Pay and Display! Most of the area is Residents ONLY! tekniko
  • Score: 5

4:09pm Fri 23 May 14

cynic_the says...

gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces.
On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.
So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well.

If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free!

I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....
I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house.
Actually I don't mind - if it means I can always get a space, which I can - but it IS too expensive, and I don't feel the revenue is spent on the right things.

I realise lots of people don't like the idea of residents permits at all, but I live in Zone Y, so my permit is the ONLY reason I can ever get a space. If it was charged at cost-of-administrati
on only, or the funds were ring-fenced for road repairs and street cleaning I think more people would warm to the idea.

The cost and limits on visitors permits are way too high though...
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces. On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.[/p][/quote]So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well. If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free! I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....[/p][/quote]I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house.[/p][/quote]Actually I don't mind - if it means I can always get a space, which I can - but it IS too expensive, and I don't feel the revenue is spent on the right things. I realise lots of people don't like the idea of residents permits at all, but I live in Zone Y, so my permit is the ONLY reason I can ever get a space. If it was charged at cost-of-administrati on only, or the funds were ring-fenced for road repairs and street cleaning I think more people would warm to the idea. The cost and limits on visitors permits are way too high though... cynic_the
  • Score: 5

8:19pm Fri 23 May 14

NickBrt says...

How much do Travellers have to pay to park there?
How much do Travellers have to pay to park there? NickBrt
  • Score: 11

7:44am Sat 24 May 14

Quiterie says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.
And which part of La La land are you currently residing?
The one where people understand sarcasm....... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.[/p][/quote]And which part of La La land are you currently residing?[/p][/quote]The one where people understand sarcasm....... ;-) Quiterie
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Sat 24 May 14

seagull321 says...

This scheme has made life much easier for local residents.

Well done the Council- Realise that is an unfashionable thing to sa
This scheme has made life much easier for local residents. Well done the Council- Realise that is an unfashionable thing to sa seagull321
  • Score: 2

7:17am Sun 25 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

Quiterie wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.
And which part of La La land are you currently residing?
The one where people understand sarcasm....... ;-)
Ah, the lowest form of wit:0
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm confident that the Council will do the "right thing" and donate any monies taken before the restrictions were officially imposed to a local charity.[/p][/quote]And which part of La La land are you currently residing?[/p][/quote]The one where people understand sarcasm....... ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah, the lowest form of wit:0 We love Red Billy
  • Score: -3

9:37pm Sun 25 May 14

musesboy says...

I've always been anti these schemes. I can't blame the Greens as it was the previous administrations which started the process. My own area voted against the scheme but the council at the time decided to include roads not really in the scheme that voted for it as it meant they got double yellow lines outside their houses on Dyke road with drives big enough for 4 cars.

If we have to have these schemes why on earth should we pay for them? Residents should be given free permits.
I've always been anti these schemes. I can't blame the Greens as it was the previous administrations which started the process. My own area voted against the scheme but the council at the time decided to include roads not really in the scheme that voted for it as it meant they got double yellow lines outside their houses on Dyke road with drives big enough for 4 cars. If we have to have these schemes why on earth should we pay for them? Residents should be given free permits. musesboy
  • Score: -3

4:37pm Mon 26 May 14

Elgabalus says...

Yu have the Council you deserve haha Rave on,
Yu have the Council you deserve haha Rave on, Elgabalus
  • Score: -1

10:35am Wed 28 May 14

Seashe says...

The money making machine extends it's arms even further! We need spaces for residents and for visitors. We can prove we are residents like we do when we are buying our over inflated visitor and resident permits. But we could have it for free or get charged a normal fee for the cost of producing and posting the permit. The resident bays could have a time restriction of say two hours and no return for a further 2 hours. But most importantly restrictions should stop at 6pm everyday everywhere! If you go outside these boundaries then you deserve a ticket! Surely that's got to be a fairer way of doing it if they want to prove it's not about ripping is off at every opportunity that they get!
The money making machine extends it's arms even further! We need spaces for residents and for visitors. We can prove we are residents like we do when we are buying our over inflated visitor and resident permits. But we could have it for free or get charged a normal fee for the cost of producing and posting the permit. The resident bays could have a time restriction of say two hours and no return for a further 2 hours. But most importantly restrictions should stop at 6pm everyday everywhere! If you go outside these boundaries then you deserve a ticket! Surely that's got to be a fairer way of doing it if they want to prove it's not about ripping is off at every opportunity that they get! Seashe
  • Score: -1

11:00am Wed 28 May 14

stumpyshimmans says...

gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces.
On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.
So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well.

If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free!

I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....
I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house.
I don't mind paying but why so expensive just to subsidise the "GO AHEAD" company!
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]It proves nothing of the sort ! All the need for parking schemes proves is that there are too many cars and not enough parking spaces. On my own street it is much harder to find a parking space on a weekday because workers in nearby offices park there.[/p][/quote]So why not make it make it all 7 days!? At least then the residents would get value for money and much more chance of a space at the weekend as well. If the scheme had the residents needs at the forefront that's how it would be. This way they (technically) have to pay to park at the weekend whilst for everyone else it's free! I'm a big fan of residents permits in general though - agree with you that there are too many cars and not enough spaces - but it needs to be done fairly....[/p][/quote]I agree, and I guess that parking schemes are an attempt at fairness by giving residents priority, but none of us like the idea of having to pay to park outside our own house.[/p][/quote]I don't mind paying but why so expensive just to subsidise the "GO AHEAD" company! stumpyshimmans
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Wed 28 May 14

Rightthinking says...

cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
I'm totally against resident parking so you people that voted for it have only got yourself to blame. You were simply playing into the green councils money grabbing hands.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]I'm totally against resident parking so you people that voted for it have only got yourself to blame. You were simply playing into the green councils money grabbing hands. Rightthinking
  • Score: -3

6:54pm Wed 28 May 14

Rightthinking says...

cynic_the wrote:
Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal....

It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.
I'm against resident parking. You people selfishly voted for resident parking so you deserve all you get from the green council. I hope your resident parking charges double next year! And no you shouldn't have resident parking 7 days a week, we public deserve free parking at the weekend.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: Totally ridiculous that residents have to pay for a 12 month permit to park during the week, but will have to fight for a space with non-residents over free parking spaces at the weekend. Who thought that up? I can't believe it's even legal.... It proves that the scheme is designed solely to raise cash and not for the benefit of the residents. They will be subsidising the parking free-for-all at the weekend.[/p][/quote]I'm against resident parking. You people selfishly voted for resident parking so you deserve all you get from the green council. I hope your resident parking charges double next year! And no you shouldn't have resident parking 7 days a week, we public deserve free parking at the weekend. Rightthinking
  • Score: -3

11:27am Mon 16 Jun 14

Cass says...

The whole scheme, across B & H is questionable but with a council that sees motorists as cash providers, putting revenue above resident, there is no stopping them, until next year when, hopefully, there wil be some sensible changes to the council. There should be new candidates to stand against the fools we have at present, across all parties, to work for Brighton and Hove residents instead of against them. Too many of the present councillors seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable, they shouldn't be.
The whole scheme, across B & H is questionable but with a council that sees motorists as cash providers, putting revenue above resident, there is no stopping them, until next year when, hopefully, there wil be some sensible changes to the council. There should be new candidates to stand against the fools we have at present, across all parties, to work for Brighton and Hove residents instead of against them. Too many of the present councillors seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable, they shouldn't be. Cass
  • Score: -1

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