Police "mistakenly challenge" people discussing elections

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Police "mistakenly challenge" people discussing elections

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POLICE "mistakenly challenged" people discussing the election outside a polling station.

The error was highlighted yesterday (THUR) by local Green councillor Ben Duncan on Twitter who said: "I'm receiving reports that Sussex Police officers are trying to interfere in Brighton democracy today - unbelievable!"

He went on to add: "Sussex Police showing up at polling stations informing volunteers that telling is illegal."

People pointed out that it was legal to discuss the election with some saying they might go to the Electoral Commission regarding the issue.

A Sussex Police spokesman admitted: "A pair of Police Community Support Officers mistakenly challenged two people outside a polling station in Brighton who were asking those who had already voted for their polling card numbers.

"The PCSOs originally told those asking the voters that they could not ask for polling card numbers.

"After they contacted a more senior officer they were given guidance that this was not an offence and they did not intervene again."

There has been no details released about which polling station the incident occurred at.

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8:44am Fri 23 May 14

HJarrs says...

I wondered what the PCSOs were doing at the polling station. I have thought for some time that we need brief public guidance on the mechanics of voting.
I wondered what the PCSOs were doing at the polling station. I have thought for some time that we need brief public guidance on the mechanics of voting. HJarrs
  • Score: -9

8:54am Fri 23 May 14

DC78 says...

It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party. DC78
  • Score: 39

9:05am Fri 23 May 14

cleggandbacon says...

DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
Nonsense. These people don't stand outside polling stations brandishing guns threatening "give us your polling card number or else". Nobodby is obliged to divulge their number. And as for PCSOs, their actions sound about par for the course. Total waste of tax-payers money.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. These people don't stand outside polling stations brandishing guns threatening "give us your polling card number or else". Nobodby is obliged to divulge their number. And as for PCSOs, their actions sound about par for the course. Total waste of tax-payers money. cleggandbacon
  • Score: 17

9:07am Fri 23 May 14

Quiterie says...

DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
Firstly you don't have to give them your details.

Secondly I would love to have the parties knocking on my door just before the election. They never seem to come any more!
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]Firstly you don't have to give them your details. Secondly I would love to have the parties knocking on my door just before the election. They never seem to come any more! Quiterie
  • Score: 35

9:09am Fri 23 May 14

Fight_Back says...

DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
Utter rubbish. It's actually so they can target non-voters and encourage them to vote. Besides, you can politely refuse to tell them your number.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. It's actually so they can target non-voters and encourage them to vote. Besides, you can politely refuse to tell them your number. Fight_Back
  • Score: 10

9:11am Fri 23 May 14

Goldenwight says...

HJarrs wrote:
I wondered what the PCSOs were doing at the polling station. I have thought for some time that we need brief public guidance on the mechanics of voting.
Voting, perhaps?

More likely, they were there to prevent people being abused by pollsters unlawfully trying to influence voting by placing undue pressure on voters.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I wondered what the PCSOs were doing at the polling station. I have thought for some time that we need brief public guidance on the mechanics of voting.[/p][/quote]Voting, perhaps? More likely, they were there to prevent people being abused by pollsters unlawfully trying to influence voting by placing undue pressure on voters. Goldenwight
  • Score: -6

9:29am Fri 23 May 14

straightasadye says...

Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs
with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?
Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit? straightasadye
  • Score: 56

10:20am Fri 23 May 14

ajpj says...

Tellers may be a nuisance , however, their activity's are not illegal ... This was not a "mistake" by the PSCO's / Sx Police ... it was a "failing" in as much as they could not have been briefed properly before commencing their duty's ...
Their supervisor should be asked for an explanation ..
Tellers may be a nuisance , however, their activity's are not illegal ... This was not a "mistake" by the PSCO's / Sx Police ... it was a "failing" in as much as they could not have been briefed properly before commencing their duty's ... Their supervisor should be asked for an explanation .. ajpj
  • Score: 11

10:36am Fri 23 May 14

charlie smirke says...

There was a police car outside the church in Surrenden Road when I voted.
I saw a policeman come out of the hall. Also no one asking for the cards BUT that could be absolutely nothing to do with the above.
There was a police car outside the church in Surrenden Road when I voted. I saw a policeman come out of the hall. Also no one asking for the cards BUT that could be absolutely nothing to do with the above. charlie smirke
  • Score: 1

10:50am Fri 23 May 14

Mel Shock says...

Not a dicky bird outside our polling station, no party members of any kind......
Not a dicky bird outside our polling station, no party members of any kind...... Mel Shock
  • Score: 2

11:21am Fri 23 May 14

wippasnapper says...

Talking about voting is illegal what happened to freedom of speech I would have told the cop to P.O and mind your knows it’s a free world – thank god I do postal votes and as to someone asking for my polling number they to would have been told to P.O
Talking about voting is illegal what happened to freedom of speech I would have told the cop to P.O and mind your knows it’s a free world – thank god I do postal votes and as to someone asking for my polling number they to would have been told to P.O wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

11:36am Fri 23 May 14

Martha Gunn says...

Good to hear again from the well known law-abiding Green Duncan.

Is the Veganista still a Councillor?
I thought he had thrown the towel in.
Good to hear again from the well known law-abiding Green Duncan. Is the Veganista still a Councillor? I thought he had thrown the towel in. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 12

11:40am Fri 23 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

straightasadye wrote:
Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs
with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?
Also in Stanmer park as well.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?[/p][/quote]Also in Stanmer park as well. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 8

11:58am Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shouldn't police officers ensure that an offence is being committed before telling people that one is?
Shouldn't police officers ensure that an offence is being committed before telling people that one is? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 8

12:01pm Fri 23 May 14

Mr chock says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
straightasadye wrote:
Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs
with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?
Also in Stanmer park as well.
yes i noticed the travelers are back they got shifted from waterhall but its a pitty the police cant issues an ASBO type thing to say you have broken some law" blablala1563 law " your out of the city for 6 month :))
well how did the voting go ... was it a good result for Ukip ?
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?[/p][/quote]Also in Stanmer park as well.[/p][/quote]yes i noticed the travelers are back they got shifted from waterhall but its a pitty the police cant issues an ASBO type thing to say you have broken some law" blablala1563 law " your out of the city for 6 month :)) well how did the voting go ... was it a good result for Ukip ? Mr chock
  • Score: 10

12:03pm Fri 23 May 14

maxiboy_ says...

PCSO's have NO authority whatsoever. They were created by the last Labour government as part of the big brother state.

These clowns have no power of arrest, no rights to ask for your details in fact a parking warden has more power since they can issue a parking ticket.

If a PCSO ever approaches you just tell them to go away and that you will not discuss anything. You can even threaten them with harassment if they persist. Don't let their false Police uniform fool you!

Only cooperate with a real Police Officer.
PCSO's have NO authority whatsoever. They were created by the last Labour government as part of the big brother state. These clowns have no power of arrest, no rights to ask for your details in fact a parking warden has more power since they can issue a parking ticket. If a PCSO ever approaches you just tell them to go away and that you will not discuss anything. You can even threaten them with harassment if they persist. Don't let their false Police uniform fool you! Only cooperate with a real Police Officer. maxiboy_
  • Score: -8

12:30pm Fri 23 May 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

What on earth are the police doing around polling stations?! They really are showing themselves up even more - we have become a big brother state now haven't we, especially with this unelected bunch of corrupt thieves we have in power now.
What on earth are the police doing around polling stations?! They really are showing themselves up even more - we have become a big brother state now haven't we, especially with this unelected bunch of corrupt thieves we have in power now. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 3

2:40pm Fri 23 May 14

Tammy Flugh says...

Why the quote marks in the headline? The police have admitted it.
This along with exit polls has been going on for many many years, and the PCSOs must have known this.
Why the quote marks in the headline? The police have admitted it. This along with exit polls has been going on for many many years, and the PCSOs must have known this. Tammy Flugh
  • Score: 6

5:48pm Fri 23 May 14

NickBrt says...

I used to get irritated being pestered by those stalkers outside asking for polling details. Probably sex offenders finding an excuse to get close to people. Revolting. Now i vote by post.
I used to get irritated being pestered by those stalkers outside asking for polling details. Probably sex offenders finding an excuse to get close to people. Revolting. Now i vote by post. NickBrt
  • Score: -1

6:15pm Fri 23 May 14

DC78 says...

cleggandbacon wrote:
DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
Nonsense. These people don't stand outside polling stations brandishing guns threatening "give us your polling card number or else". Nobodby is obliged to divulge their number. And as for PCSOs, their actions sound about par for the course. Total waste of tax-payers money.
Can I have your electoral number please? I won't reveal the motive for wanting your name and address. I don't brandish a gun and won't reveal anything about any political affiliations I may or may not have.
[quote][p][bold]cleggandbacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. These people don't stand outside polling stations brandishing guns threatening "give us your polling card number or else". Nobodby is obliged to divulge their number. And as for PCSOs, their actions sound about par for the course. Total waste of tax-payers money.[/p][/quote]Can I have your electoral number please? I won't reveal the motive for wanting your name and address. I don't brandish a gun and won't reveal anything about any political affiliations I may or may not have. DC78
  • Score: -1

6:20pm Fri 23 May 14

DC78 says...

Quiterie wrote:
DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
Firstly you don't have to give them your details.

Secondly I would love to have the parties knocking on my door just before the election. They never seem to come any more!
Great. What is your election register number? I won't give my motives for wanting your name and address though and promise you will get lots of knocks on your door come the general election. Come on then, post your election number.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]Firstly you don't have to give them your details. Secondly I would love to have the parties knocking on my door just before the election. They never seem to come any more![/p][/quote]Great. What is your election register number? I won't give my motives for wanting your name and address though and promise you will get lots of knocks on your door come the general election. Come on then, post your election number. DC78
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Fri 23 May 14

Hove Actually says...

I was agast that the headline
"Police "mistakenly challenge" people discussing elections"

Then I read it was PCSO's..... so in actual fact it was uniformed civilians and not the POLICE at all, puts a whole new slant on this non story and Duncan can go complain to whomever because in less than a year he will crying into the reject box like all the other failed green neverbeens
I was agast that the headline "Police "mistakenly challenge" people discussing elections" Then I read it was PCSO's..... so in actual fact it was uniformed civilians and not the POLICE at all, puts a whole new slant on this non story and Duncan can go complain to whomever because in less than a year he will crying into the reject box like all the other failed green neverbeens Hove Actually
  • Score: 5

6:54pm Fri 23 May 14

Sir Prised says...

straightasadye wrote:
Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs
with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?
I recently raised this very issue with my local Green councillor and got a very terse reply, devoid of any salutation, dismissing the problem as a national issue. I'm just guessing where the Green sympathies lie and it's not with the entitlement of local tax-paying residents to enjoy the amenities they pay for.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Instead of unjustly bothering voters leaving polling stations its a pity PSCOs with nothing better to do were not deployed at traveller "hot spots" preventing them entering. Where were the police yesterday when a convoy of 30 travellers "illegally" pitched on Preston Park? Not exactly invisible are they a convoy of 30 caravans in transit?[/p][/quote]I recently raised this very issue with my local Green councillor and got a very terse reply, devoid of any salutation, dismissing the problem as a national issue. I'm just guessing where the Green sympathies lie and it's not with the entitlement of local tax-paying residents to enjoy the amenities they pay for. Sir Prised
  • Score: 5

7:16pm Fri 23 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

"After they contacted a more senior officer they were given guidance that this was not an offence and they did not intervene again."

They really are a menace. If they had to have guidance after the event, then surely they are not suitable for the job in the first place. Why are we paying enormous salaries to these incompetent individuals, who obviously do not know the law, and would be better employed getting the travellers out of Preston Park? Or dealing with the plague of cyclists riding on pavements? Or drivers chatting into their mobile phones?

And what is the problem with people being asked for their cards on their way out? It is not as if they are giving away information of their bank accounts. And why should I not discuss my vote with anyone outside as long as I am not trying to persuade them to put a cross in the same place? Back in the USSR!
"After they contacted a more senior officer they were given guidance that this was not an offence and they did not intervene again." They really are a menace. If they had to have guidance after the event, then surely they are not suitable for the job in the first place. Why are we paying enormous salaries to these incompetent individuals, who obviously do not know the law, and would be better employed getting the travellers out of Preston Park? Or dealing with the plague of cyclists riding on pavements? Or drivers chatting into their mobile phones? And what is the problem with people being asked for their cards on their way out? It is not as if they are giving away information of their bank accounts. And why should I not discuss my vote with anyone outside as long as I am not trying to persuade them to put a cross in the same place? Back in the USSR! hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Fri 23 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

And incidentally it is not the police who "mistakenly challenged" people, but the Police Community Support Officers. So the headline should be altered.
And incidentally it is not the police who "mistakenly challenged" people, but the Police Community Support Officers. So the headline should be altered. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Fri 23 May 14

Sussex jim says...

The tellers are supporters of the various political parties. They are simply there to collect the electoral roll number of those attending to vote, in order to check that their known supporters have voted.
There is no obligation to reveal your number. But if you appear not to have voted you run the risk,and waste your party's time, of them calling on you later in the day.
It is normally very friendly; at busy times tellers of opposite parties swap notes of numbers later.
The tellers are supporters of the various political parties. They are simply there to collect the electoral roll number of those attending to vote, in order to check that their known supporters have voted. There is no obligation to reveal your number. But if you appear not to have voted you run the risk,and waste your party's time, of them calling on you later in the day. It is normally very friendly; at busy times tellers of opposite parties swap notes of numbers later. Sussex jim
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Fri 23 May 14

maxiboy_ says...

Plastic Police: Remnants of the Marxist Labour Party. Filth by name and filth by nature.
Plastic Police: Remnants of the Marxist Labour Party. Filth by name and filth by nature. maxiboy_
  • Score: -6

8:09pm Fri 23 May 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

I applied for postal voting primarily to avoid the weirdos asking me for personal information outside the polling station. They don't make it clear that they have no authority - I once saw them in London ordering people coming out of station to form an orderly queue for them to 'process'.
I suppose they could be quite useful to pressurise certain communities in other parts of the UK to vote for particular candidates, e.g. religious leaders collecting details outside...'if you voted appropriately then you've got nothing to hide' 'if you don't give me your details you're obviously not keeping the faith'? Innocent enough around here but I understand this is not necessarily the case across the UK. They should just clear off as they should not be blindly trusted to act honestly - honesty appears to be the first casualty of politics.
I applied for postal voting primarily to avoid the weirdos asking me for personal information outside the polling station. They don't make it clear that they have no authority - I once saw them in London ordering people coming out of station to form an orderly queue for them to 'process'. I suppose they could be quite useful to pressurise certain communities in other parts of the UK to vote for particular candidates, e.g. religious leaders collecting details outside...'if you voted appropriately then you've got nothing to hide' 'if you don't give me your details you're obviously not keeping the faith'? Innocent enough around here but I understand this is not necessarily the case across the UK. They should just clear off as they should not be blindly trusted to act honestly - honesty appears to be the first casualty of politics. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Fri 23 May 14

fredaj says...

Sussex jim wrote:
The tellers are supporters of the various political parties. They are simply there to collect the electoral roll number of those attending to vote, in order to check that their known supporters have voted.
There is no obligation to reveal your number. But if you appear not to have voted you run the risk,and waste your party's time, of them calling on you later in the day.
It is normally very friendly; at busy times tellers of opposite parties swap notes of numbers later.
If you want to given your number then that is up to you, but some of us see this as gross invasion of privacy - and that is up to us.

We owe the parties, the tellers, and anyone else waiting out in the street absolutely nothing and my electoral roll number is none of their business..
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: The tellers are supporters of the various political parties. They are simply there to collect the electoral roll number of those attending to vote, in order to check that their known supporters have voted. There is no obligation to reveal your number. But if you appear not to have voted you run the risk,and waste your party's time, of them calling on you later in the day. It is normally very friendly; at busy times tellers of opposite parties swap notes of numbers later.[/p][/quote]If you want to given your number then that is up to you, but some of us see this as gross invasion of privacy - and that is up to us. We owe the parties, the tellers, and anyone else waiting out in the street absolutely nothing and my electoral roll number is none of their business.. fredaj
  • Score: 5

11:54pm Fri 23 May 14

Frank28 says...

Media reports about Blunkett's Bobbies are always negative!
Media reports about Blunkett's Bobbies are always negative! Frank28
  • Score: 1

1:05am Sat 24 May 14

HJarrs says...

Well, as a teller, I politely asked whether the PCSOs were voting, they informed that they were on business and that was the end of it. As a teller you are not allowed to do anything other than request a voter's number to avoid the inconvenience to both parties of "knocking up".

Sadly only the Greens seemed to be bothered to man the polling stations. The other parties took people's votes for granted.
Well, as a teller, I politely asked whether the PCSOs were voting, they informed that they were on business and that was the end of it. As a teller you are not allowed to do anything other than request a voter's number to avoid the inconvenience to both parties of "knocking up". Sadly only the Greens seemed to be bothered to man the polling stations. The other parties took people's votes for granted. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

1:27am Sat 24 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well, as a teller, I politely asked whether the PCSOs were voting, they informed that they were on business and that was the end of it. As a teller you are not allowed to do anything other than request a voter's number to avoid the inconvenience to both parties of "knocking up".

Sadly only the Greens seemed to be bothered to man the polling stations. The other parties took people's votes for granted.
Well, Cllr Littman clearly should have been issuing instructions to you and your fellow Green tellers to stop pursuing people when they're going to vote, and wanting your address if you didn't have your polling card with you.

You only "man" (or should that be "person" in Green WC/PC speak?) the polling stations for your own benefit - just why should other parties be expected to turn out there??? It's certainly no benefit to the electorate, and some people - as stated on this thread- do find it intimidatory.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well, as a teller, I politely asked whether the PCSOs were voting, they informed that they were on business and that was the end of it. As a teller you are not allowed to do anything other than request a voter's number to avoid the inconvenience to both parties of "knocking up". Sadly only the Greens seemed to be bothered to man the polling stations. The other parties took people's votes for granted.[/p][/quote]Well, Cllr Littman clearly should have been issuing instructions to you and your fellow Green tellers to stop pursuing people when they're going to vote, and wanting your address if you didn't have your polling card with you. You only "man" (or should that be "person" in Green WC/PC speak?) the polling stations for your own benefit - just why should other parties be expected to turn out there??? It's certainly no benefit to the electorate, and some people - as stated on this thread- do find it intimidatory. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 3

6:26am Sat 24 May 14

NickBrt says...

Glad you had a nice time being a teller, Jason.
Glad you had a nice time being a teller, Jason. NickBrt
  • Score: 1

7:12am Sat 24 May 14

JHunty says...

Ben down, sorry Duncan, never misses an opportunity to criticise the police. Yet again he gets it wrong, Sussex police weren't interfering with the democratic process and is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Seven complaints against him during his time on the Sussex police Authority. Always denied being a Smashedo supporter during that time, despite attending their marches constantly trying to blame the police for the violence that Smashedo caused, handing in petitions on their behalf and making some of the most bizarre amendments to council proposals to twist them into supporting SmashEdos campaign of lies that you have ever seen. But as soon as he was no longer on the SPA all of a sudden he comes out as a supporter of theirs. It's almost as if you can't believe a word he says. I'm glad the tellers got told to mind their own business, they act as if they have some official capacity and never explain who they are or what they are doing.
Ben down, sorry Duncan, never misses an opportunity to criticise the police. Yet again he gets it wrong, Sussex police weren't interfering with the democratic process and is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Seven complaints against him during his time on the Sussex police Authority. Always denied being a Smashedo supporter during that time, despite attending their marches constantly trying to blame the police for the violence that Smashedo caused, handing in petitions on their behalf and making some of the most bizarre amendments to council proposals to twist them into supporting SmashEdos campaign of lies that you have ever seen. But as soon as he was no longer on the SPA all of a sudden he comes out as a supporter of theirs. It's almost as if you can't believe a word he says. I'm glad the tellers got told to mind their own business, they act as if they have some official capacity and never explain who they are or what they are doing. JHunty
  • Score: 2

9:12am Sat 24 May 14

hammerfan says...

DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
They ask for your number so that canvassers will not call on people who have already voted!
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]They ask for your number so that canvassers will not call on people who have already voted! hammerfan
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10:08am Sat 24 May 14

Bill in Hanover says...

DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation. Bill in Hanover
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10:10am Sat 24 May 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Mel Shock wrote:
Not a dicky bird outside our polling station, no party members of any kind......
There was a Green Party activist outside Elm Grove Primary School poll station but was told to mind her own buusiness when she asked for my details.
[quote][p][bold]Mel Shock[/bold] wrote: Not a dicky bird outside our polling station, no party members of any kind......[/p][/quote]There was a Green Party activist outside Elm Grove Primary School poll station but was told to mind her own buusiness when she asked for my details. Bill in Hanover
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10:47am Sat 24 May 14

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

Weren't we told that they are 50% cheaper than a standard PC, but they always are out in pairs
Weren't we told that they are 50% cheaper than a standard PC, but they always are out in pairs ShorehamBeachcomber
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12:41pm Sat 24 May 14

puddingandpi says...

They're allowed to ask, but they aren't allowed to demand & they're not allowed to tell you that you *must* give them your voter registration number.
I've argued with Greens & Labour about that because they got arsey when I wouldn't let them have it. Poor PCSOs though; if someone complains about being asked for their number, what are they supposed to do? It would make sense to tell the monitors that they mustn't ask people, after all, isn't it a secret ballot? They would assume you're not allowed to tell anyone or ask anyone. That's wrong, but understandable.
They're allowed to ask, but they aren't allowed to demand & they're not allowed to tell you that you *must* give them your voter registration number. I've argued with Greens & Labour about that because they got arsey when I wouldn't let them have it. Poor PCSOs though; if someone complains about being asked for their number, what are they supposed to do? It would make sense to tell the monitors that they mustn't ask people, after all, isn't it a secret ballot? They would assume you're not allowed to tell anyone or ask anyone. That's wrong, but understandable. puddingandpi
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8:03pm Sat 24 May 14

DC78 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.
That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.[/p][/quote]That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest. DC78
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8:49pm Sat 24 May 14

HJarrs says...

DC78 wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.
That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest.
I suggest at the general election that you don't give your polling number at the polling station but don't then don't complain if people start banging on your door and wasting your time asking you to vote when you have already done so.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.[/p][/quote]That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest.[/p][/quote]I suggest at the general election that you don't give your polling number at the polling station but don't then don't complain if people start banging on your door and wasting your time asking you to vote when you have already done so. HJarrs
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9:53pm Sat 24 May 14

Bill in Hanover says...

HJarrs wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
DC78 wrote:
It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.
The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.
That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest.
I suggest at the general election that you don't give your polling number at the polling station but don't then don't complain if people start banging on your door and wasting your time asking you to vote when you have already done so.
At the recent by-election I also had a doorstep visit by the Green Party candidate but he didn't stay long when I told him that I was voting to get his party out of power.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: It should be illegal to pester voters outside the polling station. They ask for your election roll number and with that they have your name and address so they have a list of people they know are likely committed voters. Now, you're a target for junk mail and a knock on the door just before the general election. Thanks to Mr Duncan, we now know the Greens are the guilty party.[/p][/quote]The Green Party don't need voting details to pester people, the day after the Green Party Councillor for Elm Grove and Hanover resigned (he was leaving the area) I received Green Party election propaganda through the post so they must have raided the electoral roll even before he announced his resignation.[/p][/quote]That's very true Bill, but in the UK, unfortunately only around half the population entitled to vote, do so. If you are likely to vote in the MEP elections, you are likely to be a committed voter in general and will be part of the half of the population going the polling stations next year voting at the general election. These people hanging about the stations do not say their motives for taking your register number. It's always for very vague reasons, perhaps a survey of some kind. The truth is that they want a list of the people who are going to turn out and vote they should cut the BS and be honest.[/p][/quote]I suggest at the general election that you don't give your polling number at the polling station but don't then don't complain if people start banging on your door and wasting your time asking you to vote when you have already done so.[/p][/quote]At the recent by-election I also had a doorstep visit by the Green Party candidate but he didn't stay long when I told him that I was voting to get his party out of power. Bill in Hanover
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