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Billions of barrels of oil sat under Sussex

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Sussex is sat on a massive oil field that could lead to fracking all over the county.

A new report published yesterday by the British Geological Survey (BGS) revealed there could be more than eight billion barrels of shale oil under the Weald basin, which covers areas including Sussex, Hampshire, Surrey and Kent.

Experts say the discovery could produce enough energy to power the country for at least the next 40 years.

The fracking process involves pumping water, sand and chemicals into rock deep underground at high pressure to extract shale gas and oil.

Critics argue the process contaminates water supplies and can cause earthquakes. At sites already targeted by fracking firms, including the village of Balcombe, north of Haywards Heath, thousands of protestors have called for a ban on the method.

But despite the highly-publicised opposition, Government chiefs yesterday proposed new rules regarding energy companies' rights to access any land deemed suitable for fracking.

Currently, companies must negotiate rights of access with every landowner living above underground drilling - even though work takes place up to 5,000 feet beneath the surface.

The Government says the legal process of trying to access land is time consuming, uncertain and costly. If a landowner refuses access, energy companies or operators can refer the case to court to establish whether compulsory access should be granted.

Instead, ministers are proposing to “simplify” the procedure by granting energy firms underground access to land below 300 metres - nearly 1,000 feet - to extract shale oil and gas.

It is hoped the plans will speed up the introduction of fracking on a mass-scale.

The Department for Energy and Climate Change said communities targeted by fracking firms would be awarded around £20,000 for each lateral well dug at fracking sites.

The average fracking site boasts around ten wells, each with four lateral wells, making the average total of £800,000.

The payments would be made on top of the existing compensation system, where communities are given £100,000 when a test well is fracked - plus 1% of revenue.

Business and energy minister Michael Fallon claimed Britain needed more home-grown energy and shale development would “bring jobs and opportunities.”

He added: “We are keen for shale and geothermal exploration to go ahead while protecting residents through the robust regulation that is in place.

“These proposals allow shale and geothermal development while offering a fair deal for communities in return for underground access at depths so deep they will have no negative impact on landowners.”

Prime Minister David Cameron also recently claimed fracking would be "good for our country" and blamed a "lack of understanding" of the process for some opposition.

But Vanessa Vine, of Frack Free Sussex, said yesterday's announcement was deliberately timed to be delivered after the European and local elections to avoid public backlash.

She said: “The annual reports of the British Geological Survey show it is not averse to receiving funding from the oil and gas industry.

“Similar wild claims of recoverable shale reserves in California were this week exposed as being 96% overhyped and the Monterey shale boom is now bust.

“Why does an industry that purports to be an innocuous employment panacea and silver bullet for everybody's economy, feel the need - via invested government - to bribe councils not to oppose its operations?

“Does anybody need to ask themselves why industry and government waited until the day after the elections to announce 'huge shale oil reserves' in the Weald and £800,000 bribes to councils to accept fracking in communities?”

Speaking on the BBC's Newsnight programme on Thursday, Green MP for Brighton Pavilion Caroline Lucas said fracking would not bring down energy bills because the gas or oil would be sold on European markets and not used in the UK.

She said: "Even the boss of Cuadrilla has said fracking in Britain wouldn't reduce energy prices.

"Lord Stern has called it baseless economics and that's because here in the UK if we frack in the UK we don't actually use that gas or oil in the UK, it gets sold on European markets at the going price.

"That's very different from the States where because it's a much bigger country and they are less locked into those bigger world markets they use their own gas and oil as they frack.

"Even the experts, even the people who are in the forefront of the fracking ideology are saying actually that it's not going to lead to lower prices so if you want lower prices you need to go down the renewable route."

Dr Lucas spoke on the programme with Andrew Austin of IGas Energy, whose firm has already exploited oil and gas reserves in the south of England.

Mr Austin said: "We've known that there's a big potential for oil and gas exploration across the country but particularly in terms of oil in the Weald basin, which is the area that stretches roughly from Winchester across towards Gatwick, up to the M25 and down to the coast at Chichester.

"There's been a long history of oil and gas exploration in this area. We as a company produce oil and gas from around 20 sites across that area, around 40 million barrels have been recovered to date across that area."

Despite the lucrative discovery of shale oil beneath Sussex and neighbouring counties, the British Geological Survey emphasised the find was an estimate for the “entire volume of oil in the rock - not how much can be recovered”. It added it was “too early” to determine how much could technically be extracted at a commercial rate.

Professor Andrew Aplin, of Durham University, questioned how much of the oil found in the Weald basin was recoverable.

The professor of unconventional petroleum from the department of earth sciences said: "The interesting question is how much of the oil that has been identified might be recoverable.

"A careful look at the data in the report suggests that much of the oil in the shale is tightly bound to the rock and therefore difficult or impossible to produce.”

Brenda Pollack, south east regional campaigner for Friends of the Earth, said shale oil and gas was not the solution to the UK's energy problems.She said: "These latest estimates will set alarm bells ringing across the south east of England, where fracking firms seem intent on punching holes in some of Britain's most beautiful countryside in the search for profits.

"Shale oil and gas are not the solution to the UK's energy challenges. Rather than drilling for more dirty fossil fuels that will add to climate change, the Government should be backing renewable power and energy efficiency."

BOX - What parts of Sussex are the energy companies interested in?

Various energy companies already have licences for test-drilling across Sussex. They include:

BALCOMBE: The most high-profile is the site at Lower Stumble, one-mile south of the village of Balcombe. Cuadrilla Resources has been active at the site for more than a year and was given permission by West Sussex County Council to explore for shale gas through test drilling. Sussex Police made more than 100 arrests during a long-running operation which led to 29 convictions. The force spent more than £4 million manning protests, which were broadcast by international print and television media. Cuadrilla wrote to villagers in Balcombe in January to tell them the site, which they spent more than a month testing last year, was not suitable for fracking.

But the Staffordshire-based firm has since submitted a further planning application to “flow test” the site for more conventional extraction.

WOOD BARN FARM: The site near Billingshurst is of interest to Celtique Energie Ltd, which has also had an application accepted by West Sussex County Council. The firm told locals: “The target reservoir is the Triassic Sherwood Sandstone, anticipated to be 2.5km below the surface. No hydraulic fracturing techniques, or fracking, will be used at Woodbarn Farm”. But Frack Free Sussex said on “closer examination” the Triassic Sherwood Sandstone actually sits below the level of shale rock.

WISBOROUGH GREEN: Celtique Energie also plans to build an exploratory well site on land at Northup Copse, to the north-west of Wisborough Green. Locals fear plans for the site could pave the way for fracking. The firm's CEO Geoff Davies said last year his company wanted to test for “conventional fossil fuel deposits”, which they would not extract by fracking. But he did not rule out the possibility of applying for permission to frack if deposits of shale rock were found. The application is currently pending.

BOX - If fracking will help with the country's energy crisis, what's the problem?

Fracking involves drilling deep down into the earth and releasing high-pressure blasts of water, sand and chemicals in a bid to release shale gas inside rock.

Fracking is the nickname for hydraulic fracturing and refers to how the rock is fractured apart by the high pressure blast. Industry professionals refer to a "frac job" and a "frac unit".

The process has been used extensively in the United States, where some say it has re-formed the energy industry, created jobs and millions of dollars in revenue. Once derelict towns and villages have been transformed into thriving communities.

But the process has prompted environmental concerns.

For example, campaigners fear potentially carcinogenic chemicals used in fracking may escape and contaminate water supplies near fracking sites.

There are concerns fracking also causes earthquakes. Earthquakes of 1.5 and 2.2 magnitude hit the Blackpool area in 2011 following fracking by Cuadrilla - the same firm interested in Sussex sites.

Other critics say fracking is a distracting governments from investing in renewable energy sources and is only a temporary fix to the energy crisis.

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7:46am Sat 24 May 14

twonk says...

Sitting.
Sitting. twonk
  • Score: -1

8:58am Sat 24 May 14

hammerfan says...

Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees! hammerfan
  • Score: -12

9:04am Sat 24 May 14

Morpheus says...

More scaremongering. The earthquakes quotes are so small that they can only be detected by instrumentation. In the last 50 days there have been 22 earthquakes in the Uk, but how many were in the news?
More scaremongering. The earthquakes quotes are so small that they can only be detected by instrumentation. In the last 50 days there have been 22 earthquakes in the Uk, but how many were in the news? Morpheus
  • Score: -5

9:06am Sat 24 May 14

greeg2 says...

Start campaigning now for" independence for Sussex " all you local idiots,you know it makes sense.
Start campaigning now for" independence for Sussex " all you local idiots,you know it makes sense. greeg2
  • Score: -11

9:19am Sat 24 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 29

9:26am Sat 24 May 14

Gribbet says...

The key point that I'm actually surprised was mentioned (because it's generally hushed up) is that it won't reduce the living expenses of everyday residents. What it will do is make some very rich people even richer while risking environmental damage on our doorstep. The only silver lining is that there'll at least be an abundance of oil to make all the plastic bottles that we'll need for our drinking water.
The key point that I'm actually surprised was mentioned (because it's generally hushed up) is that it won't reduce the living expenses of everyday residents. What it will do is make some very rich people even richer while risking environmental damage on our doorstep. The only silver lining is that there'll at least be an abundance of oil to make all the plastic bottles that we'll need for our drinking water. Gribbet
  • Score: 43

9:30am Sat 24 May 14

hammerfan says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem!
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.[/p][/quote]Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem! hammerfan
  • Score: 11

9:43am Sat 24 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

hammerfan wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem!
They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.[/p][/quote]Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem![/p][/quote]They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 15

10:12am Sat 24 May 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 16

10:12am Sat 24 May 14

NickBtn says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem!
They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior.
These figures for Germany sound very impressive - a model that we could follow. So I looked at how they are doing it on wikipedia

Unfortunately the figures that you quote are wrong (wikipedia source) - they say that Germany is one of the best in the world with around 25% now aiming for 35% by 2020. The 80% that you quote is their aim for 2050.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.[/p][/quote]Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem![/p][/quote]They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior.[/p][/quote]These figures for Germany sound very impressive - a model that we could follow. So I looked at how they are doing it on wikipedia Unfortunately the figures that you quote are wrong (wikipedia source) - they say that Germany is one of the best in the world with around 25% now aiming for 35% by 2020. The 80% that you quote is their aim for 2050. NickBtn
  • Score: 10

10:37am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Lets get FRACKING we need energy we ALL use it even the protesters in there clapped out polluting vehicles and polluting open fires use energy.If managed correctly there is minimal risk you wont even know its happening.To all those that say not on my backdoor should look at there own energy needs it has got to come from somewhere and if we have oil here lets go for it.Protesters have a right to protest but they don't have the right to block the highway and there numbers are few.
Lets get FRACKING we need energy we ALL use it even the protesters in there clapped out polluting vehicles and polluting open fires use energy.If managed correctly there is minimal risk you wont even know its happening.To all those that say not on my backdoor should look at there own energy needs it has got to come from somewhere and if we have oil here lets go for it.Protesters have a right to protest but they don't have the right to block the highway and there numbers are few. clubrob6
  • Score: -10

10:39am Sat 24 May 14

maxiboy_ says...

NO, NO, NO. Our countryside is too precious to allow this to go ahead. I hope the residents protest and warn Tory HQ they will lose their vote in Tory heartland!
NO, NO, NO. Our countryside is too precious to allow this to go ahead. I hope the residents protest and warn Tory HQ they will lose their vote in Tory heartland! maxiboy_
  • Score: 15

10:49am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Very good points,when the rent a mob comes along any on benefits should be immediately given a job or lose there benefits,this also applies to the rent a mob extremist group that travels the country causing violence hiding behind the government funded name of UAF.LETS GET FRACKING.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Very good points,when the rent a mob comes along any on benefits should be immediately given a job or lose there benefits,this also applies to the rent a mob extremist group that travels the country causing violence hiding behind the government funded name of UAF.LETS GET FRACKING. clubrob6
  • Score: -11

10:55am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
Further north you see wind farms everywhere down south people object they don't even want renewable energy on there back door,we have oil we all use oil even the un-washed protesters so I say lets get FRACKING.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.[/p][/quote]Further north you see wind farms everywhere down south people object they don't even want renewable energy on there back door,we have oil we all use oil even the un-washed protesters so I say lets get FRACKING. clubrob6
  • Score: -2

11:08am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT. clubrob6
  • Score: -8

11:11am Sat 24 May 14

her professional says...

hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Goodbye Sussex.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Goodbye Sussex. her professional
  • Score: 0

11:16am Sat 24 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

NickBtn wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps.

You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.
Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem!
They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior.
These figures for Germany sound very impressive - a model that we could follow. So I looked at how they are doing it on wikipedia

Unfortunately the figures that you quote are wrong (wikipedia source) - they say that Germany is one of the best in the world with around 25% now aiming for 35% by 2020. The 80% that you quote is their aim for 2050.
The 80% I quoted from memory was for 'a blustery week', not overall. I've just looked at the actual story and it's 74% for one day.

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[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: So us tax payers are paying them to drill now, on top of the best fracking tax breaks in the world? And we'll have to pay to clean up this mess too as Caudrilla will be long gone once any toxic chemicals reach our taps. You wouldn't get this in Germany and they do not have an energy crisis. They've invested wisely in renewables and now have a thriving export market in green technology. What do we have? A bunch of venture capitalists trying to squeeze every last drop out of the country - sounds like the Tories. UK for sale.[/p][/quote]Germany burns millions of tons of coal. They are also reliant on Russia for their gas! Germany DOES have an energy problem![/p][/quote]They also produced 80% of their energy via renewable methods during a particularly blustery week this year. They are becoming less dependant on Russian oil in a much cleaner, safer and prosperous way. Whilst we will be paying oil companies to pump pollutants into the water table a mile away from Ardingly Reservior.[/p][/quote]These figures for Germany sound very impressive - a model that we could follow. So I looked at how they are doing it on wikipedia Unfortunately the figures that you quote are wrong (wikipedia source) - they say that Germany is one of the best in the world with around 25% now aiming for 35% by 2020. The 80% that you quote is their aim for 2050.[/p][/quote]The 80% I quoted from memory was for 'a blustery week', not overall. I've just looked at the actual story and it's 74% for one day. http://www.dailykos. com/story/2014/05/18 /1300249/-Germany-go t-74-of-its-electric al-power-from-Renewa ble-Sources-the-othe r-day Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 5

11:21am Sat 24 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

clubrob6 wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay.

To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent.

Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.[/p][/quote]UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay. To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent. Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from." Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 4

11:27am Sat 24 May 14

wippasnapper says...

hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
“yobs who claim benefits” so I take it you’re a Tory scumbag supporter who dose not look at the facts before making outrageous ridicules comments typical scumbag Tory attitude…
Yes it may help reduce gas and oil prices and it may well bring much needed money into this country but you can bet some scumbag in parliament will be making a very big penny out of this but of cores that doesn’t bother a Tory scumbag like you who agrees with cutting benefits from those that need it and it doesn’t bother you that your children’s children will suffer the consequences of fracking chemicals into rock deep underground that will find its way to the serves one day poisoning everyone that lives upon it even worse earth tremors or even earth quakes but of cause this doesn’t bother a scumbag like you because you would have live you sad pathetic life.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]“yobs who claim benefits” so I take it you’re a Tory scumbag supporter who dose not look at the facts before making outrageous ridicules comments typical scumbag Tory attitude… Yes it may help reduce gas and oil prices and it may well bring much needed money into this country but you can bet some scumbag in parliament will be making a very big penny out of this but of cores that doesn’t bother a Tory scumbag like you who agrees with cutting benefits from those that need it and it doesn’t bother you that your children’s children will suffer the consequences of fracking chemicals into rock deep underground that will find its way to the serves one day poisoning everyone that lives upon it even worse earth tremors or even earth quakes but of cause this doesn’t bother a scumbag like you because you would have live you sad pathetic life. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

11:51am Sat 24 May 14

Hovite says...

I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.
I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then. Hovite
  • Score: 6

11:51am Sat 24 May 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Ha ha ha. Government shafts Little Englander supporters good and proper! What did the Tory buffoons expect...the 'I 'm alright Jack' swagger is all but gone from hoards of right-wing numpties who can't believe they've been shafted by richer right-wing numpties who rely on their votes but, in fact, despise them and can't wait to shaft them at the first opportunity.

They've nationalised private debts of their old school beer buddies, sold everything that was not theirs to sell at a loss and will now give pretty much any operator the right to drill under your home.
They've probably lined-up a few 'immigration' articles in the news to keep the numpties occupied while they spend your pensions and charge you for you for the privilege of them accidentally causing your house to subside. Ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha. Government shafts Little Englander supporters good and proper! What did the Tory buffoons expect...the 'I 'm alright Jack' swagger is all but gone from hoards of right-wing numpties who can't believe they've been shafted by richer right-wing numpties who rely on their votes but, in fact, despise them and can't wait to shaft them at the first opportunity. They've nationalised private debts of their old school beer buddies, sold everything that was not theirs to sell at a loss and will now give pretty much any operator the right to drill under your home. They've probably lined-up a few 'immigration' articles in the news to keep the numpties occupied while they spend your pensions and charge you for you for the privilege of them accidentally causing your house to subside. Ha ha ha. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 10

12:02pm Sat 24 May 14

wippasnapper says...

Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer. wippasnapper
  • Score: -5

1:01pm Sat 24 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

So the change to the countryside is to be opposed yet it's OK to dot that same countryside with housing developments and windfarms?

What is more important - the future of our energy supplies or the view?
So the change to the countryside is to be opposed yet it's OK to dot that same countryside with housing developments and windfarms? What is more important - the future of our energy supplies or the view? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

1:24pm Sat 24 May 14

etarre says...

This is a deliberate propaganda and misinformation campaign by the government.

Extracting this oil will result in massive destruction of our countryside. It won't provide jobs for local people - jobs related to fracking are few and highly skilled. There are something like only 8 frack well teams who operate for the whole of Europe.

It's just a scheme to give the, frankly evil, fracking companies (who are mainly owned by Chinese and US backers, so no money for the UK there) more money whilst not improving the living standards of local people - in fact, ruining them.

Air pollution and water pollution will increase massively. If it goes ahead at the scale the government want it to, we'll all be drinking bottled water and experience rising cancer rates, and other 'mysterious' neurological diseases.

Oh yes, and they want to trespass and drill under your land without your permission, probably reducing the value of your house massively and risking whether you can get your insurance renewed.

The way forward is clean, non-poisonous community energy projects like solar and hydroelectric, and a massive investment in energy efficiency. These sectors provide lots of jobs, because they are labour intensive.

Educate yourself here https://sites.google
.com/site/shalegasbu
lletinireland/
This is a deliberate propaganda and misinformation campaign by the government. Extracting this oil will result in massive destruction of our countryside. It won't provide jobs for local people - jobs related to fracking are few and highly skilled. There are something like only 8 frack well teams who operate for the whole of Europe. It's just a scheme to give the, frankly evil, fracking companies (who are mainly owned by Chinese and US backers, so no money for the UK there) more money whilst not improving the living standards of local people - in fact, ruining them. Air pollution and water pollution will increase massively. If it goes ahead at the scale the government want it to, we'll all be drinking bottled water and experience rising cancer rates, and other 'mysterious' neurological diseases. Oh yes, and they want to trespass and drill under your land without your permission, probably reducing the value of your house massively and risking whether you can get your insurance renewed. The way forward is clean, non-poisonous community energy projects like solar and hydroelectric, and a massive investment in energy efficiency. These sectors provide lots of jobs, because they are labour intensive. Educate yourself here https://sites.google .com/site/shalegasbu lletinireland/ etarre
  • Score: 5

1:41pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay.

To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent.

Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."
Agree UKIP is not the answer some of there policies are not good,but I think until we can get a vote on the EU,and to stop this uncontrolled immigration the rest is for now secondary.The struggles on street level are highly influenced by immigration,be it school places,social housing,NHS ETC ETC so until immigration is sorted they cant be sorted.I don't want immigration to stop I want it controlled so we know who is here and also so we can deport illegal and law breaking immigrants.The trouble with politics now is the three main parties are run by career millionaire politicians that think its there job to tell us what we can vote on.All three main parties say one thing for our vote then ignore us when in power.So yes I think for now the vote for UKIP is a protest vote but if the other main parties don't take note I think people will actually vote UKIP in the general election.Immigration is out of control and it is only getting talked about because of UKIP.Note in London areas where high levels of immigrants live have gained Labour councillors this is because immigrants know Labour is soft on immigration.So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.[/p][/quote]UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay. To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent. Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."[/p][/quote]Agree UKIP is not the answer some of there policies are not good,but I think until we can get a vote on the EU,and to stop this uncontrolled immigration the rest is for now secondary.The struggles on street level are highly influenced by immigration,be it school places,social housing,NHS ETC ETC so until immigration is sorted they cant be sorted.I don't want immigration to stop I want it controlled so we know who is here and also so we can deport illegal and law breaking immigrants.The trouble with politics now is the three main parties are run by career millionaire politicians that think its there job to tell us what we can vote on.All three main parties say one thing for our vote then ignore us when in power.So yes I think for now the vote for UKIP is a protest vote but if the other main parties don't take note I think people will actually vote UKIP in the general election.Immigration is out of control and it is only getting talked about because of UKIP.Note in London areas where high levels of immigrants live have gained Labour councillors this is because immigrants know Labour is soft on immigration.So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

From beer to uncertainty wrote:
Ha ha ha. Government shafts Little Englander supporters good and proper! What did the Tory buffoons expect...the 'I 'm alright Jack' swagger is all but gone from hoards of right-wing numpties who can't believe they've been shafted by richer right-wing numpties who rely on their votes but, in fact, despise them and can't wait to shaft them at the first opportunity.

They've nationalised private debts of their old school beer buddies, sold everything that was not theirs to sell at a loss and will now give pretty much any operator the right to drill under your home.
They've probably lined-up a few 'immigration' articles in the news to keep the numpties occupied while they spend your pensions and charge you for you for the privilege of them accidentally causing your house to subside. Ha ha ha.
You are so correct the normal person on the street thinks these career millionaire politicians of all the main parties are there to do good for the country,but in fact these well trained public speakers trained not to give a answer but give the impression they have are just there to make policies to benefit themselves.Osborne's father in law is heavily into fracking thus the 50% drop in tax.Camerons wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission.Cameron relaxes planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate.Osborne brings in the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell the houses.All the main parties are at it lining there own pockets which is why they dished the dirt at UKIP as they know there bubble is about to explode.I wont even go into BLAIR he was even worse.
[quote][p][bold]From beer to uncertainty[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha. Government shafts Little Englander supporters good and proper! What did the Tory buffoons expect...the 'I 'm alright Jack' swagger is all but gone from hoards of right-wing numpties who can't believe they've been shafted by richer right-wing numpties who rely on their votes but, in fact, despise them and can't wait to shaft them at the first opportunity. They've nationalised private debts of their old school beer buddies, sold everything that was not theirs to sell at a loss and will now give pretty much any operator the right to drill under your home. They've probably lined-up a few 'immigration' articles in the news to keep the numpties occupied while they spend your pensions and charge you for you for the privilege of them accidentally causing your house to subside. Ha ha ha.[/p][/quote]You are so correct the normal person on the street thinks these career millionaire politicians of all the main parties are there to do good for the country,but in fact these well trained public speakers trained not to give a answer but give the impression they have are just there to make policies to benefit themselves.Osborne's father in law is heavily into fracking thus the 50% drop in tax.Camerons wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission.Cameron relaxes planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate.Osborne brings in the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell the houses.All the main parties are at it lining there own pockets which is why they dished the dirt at UKIP as they know there bubble is about to explode.I wont even go into BLAIR he was even worse. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

2:07pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
Its exactly the same in the Drug industry they don't want to find a cure for cancer as it would destroy there business.One example was a giant drug company was doing research on a natural cure which was proving as effective as chemo without the side effects but because they could not patient a natural treatment there was no money to be made so it got stopped.This is why its good news the American company did not take over a british one this week as they only want control and to stop research as if cures are found there profits will suffer.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]Its exactly the same in the Drug industry they don't want to find a cure for cancer as it would destroy there business.One example was a giant drug company was doing research on a natural cure which was proving as effective as chemo without the side effects but because they could not patient a natural treatment there was no money to be made so it got stopped.This is why its good news the American company did not take over a british one this week as they only want control and to stop research as if cures are found there profits will suffer. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

2:12pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

etarre wrote:
This is a deliberate propaganda and misinformation campaign by the government.

Extracting this oil will result in massive destruction of our countryside. It won't provide jobs for local people - jobs related to fracking are few and highly skilled. There are something like only 8 frack well teams who operate for the whole of Europe.

It's just a scheme to give the, frankly evil, fracking companies (who are mainly owned by Chinese and US backers, so no money for the UK there) more money whilst not improving the living standards of local people - in fact, ruining them.

Air pollution and water pollution will increase massively. If it goes ahead at the scale the government want it to, we'll all be drinking bottled water and experience rising cancer rates, and other 'mysterious' neurological diseases.

Oh yes, and they want to trespass and drill under your land without your permission, probably reducing the value of your house massively and risking whether you can get your insurance renewed.

The way forward is clean, non-poisonous community energy projects like solar and hydroelectric, and a massive investment in energy efficiency. These sectors provide lots of jobs, because they are labour intensive.

Educate yourself here https://sites.google

.com/site/shalegasbu

lletinireland/
And Osbornes father in law is heavily involved with fracking.Any policies that are made are purely made to benefit the career millionaire politicians that have bought there way to the top to line there own pockets.
[quote][p][bold]etarre[/bold] wrote: This is a deliberate propaganda and misinformation campaign by the government. Extracting this oil will result in massive destruction of our countryside. It won't provide jobs for local people - jobs related to fracking are few and highly skilled. There are something like only 8 frack well teams who operate for the whole of Europe. It's just a scheme to give the, frankly evil, fracking companies (who are mainly owned by Chinese and US backers, so no money for the UK there) more money whilst not improving the living standards of local people - in fact, ruining them. Air pollution and water pollution will increase massively. If it goes ahead at the scale the government want it to, we'll all be drinking bottled water and experience rising cancer rates, and other 'mysterious' neurological diseases. Oh yes, and they want to trespass and drill under your land without your permission, probably reducing the value of your house massively and risking whether you can get your insurance renewed. The way forward is clean, non-poisonous community energy projects like solar and hydroelectric, and a massive investment in energy efficiency. These sectors provide lots of jobs, because they are labour intensive. Educate yourself here https://sites.google .com/site/shalegasbu lletinireland/[/p][/quote]And Osbornes father in law is heavily involved with fracking.Any policies that are made are purely made to benefit the career millionaire politicians that have bought there way to the top to line there own pockets. clubrob6
  • Score: 5

2:12pm Sat 24 May 14

Mr chock says...

Hovite wrote:
I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.
please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil
the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that .
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.[/p][/quote]please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that . Mr chock
  • Score: -2

2:22pm Sat 24 May 14

skylight says...

I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first !
What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this?
Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ?
What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland?

Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice?

Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF!
I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first ! What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this? Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ? What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland? Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice? Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF! skylight
  • Score: 4

2:50pm Sat 24 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay.

To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent.

Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."
Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.[/p][/quote]UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay. To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent. Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."[/p][/quote]Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 2

3:22pm Sat 24 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

skylight wrote:
I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first !
What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this?
Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ?
What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland?

Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice?

Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF!
The Earth beneath your house isn't yours, sadly.
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first ! What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this? Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ? What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland? Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice? Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF![/p][/quote]The Earth beneath your house isn't yours, sadly. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

4:31pm Sat 24 May 14

Goldenwight says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this? Goldenwight
  • Score: 8

4:35pm Sat 24 May 14

Goldenwight says...

Goldenwight wrote:
wippasnapper wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?
Oh, and anyone whose grammar is worse than mine must be a UKIP opr green voter and should be taken out and shot.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?[/p][/quote]Oh, and anyone whose grammar is worse than mine must be a UKIP opr green voter and should be taken out and shot. Goldenwight
  • Score: -6

5:32pm Sat 24 May 14

Hovite says...

Mr chock wrote:
Hovite wrote:
I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.
please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil
the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that .
Don't know why you got some thumbs down.

Thorium is considered a safe nuclear energy source and should be explored further in the UK as other countries around the world have done.
[quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.[/p][/quote]please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that .[/p][/quote]Don't know why you got some thumbs down. Thorium is considered a safe nuclear energy source and should be explored further in the UK as other countries around the world have done. Hovite
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?
Or combine them both and get FIZZY H2O
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?[/p][/quote]Or combine them both and get FIZZY H2O clubrob6
  • Score: 5

7:45pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
wippasnapper wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?
Oh, and anyone whose grammar is worse than mine must be a UKIP opr green voter and should be taken out and shot.
Bit extreme what would you do if they cant even write English?as lets face it there are plenty out there.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]I must have rally misunderstood my infant school chemistry, because I thought that CO2 was Carbon Dioxide, and that water was H2O. Strange that nobody else has mentioned this?[/p][/quote]Oh, and anyone whose grammar is worse than mine must be a UKIP opr green voter and should be taken out and shot.[/p][/quote]Bit extreme what would you do if they cant even write English?as lets face it there are plenty out there. clubrob6
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Sat 24 May 14

her professional says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay.

To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent.

Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."
Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right.
No dictatorship and misery under capitalism then? In fact, "left wing" ideas have not been tried time and time again, it's capitalism and the free market that's been operating across the globe almost uninterrupted for centuries. For an example of its purest form look at Victorian England - wealth for the few and grinding poverty, misery and near starvation for many, oh hang on, sorry that's now isn't it. While I'm at it, can anyone explain how, in the space of five years we've got to the situation where there's almost some sort of pride taken in the fact that people are running food banks?
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.[/p][/quote]UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay. To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent. Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."[/p][/quote]Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right.[/p][/quote]No dictatorship and misery under capitalism then? In fact, "left wing" ideas have not been tried time and time again, it's capitalism and the free market that's been operating across the globe almost uninterrupted for centuries. For an example of its purest form look at Victorian England - wealth for the few and grinding poverty, misery and near starvation for many, oh hang on, sorry that's now isn't it. While I'm at it, can anyone explain how, in the space of five years we've got to the situation where there's almost some sort of pride taken in the fact that people are running food banks? her professional
  • Score: 2

9:05pm Sat 24 May 14

HJarrs says...

Clobrob6 said...

"So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets."

I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.
Clobrob6 said... "So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets." I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people. HJarrs
  • Score: 6

9:27pm Sat 24 May 14

ghost bus driver says...

clubrob6 wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.
Its exactly the same in the Drug industry they don't want to find a cure for cancer as it would destroy there business.One example was a giant drug company was doing research on a natural cure which was proving as effective as chemo without the side effects but because they could not patient a natural treatment there was no money to be made so it got stopped.This is why its good news the American company did not take over a british one this week as they only want control and to stop research as if cures are found there profits will suffer.
I think this is the one I heard about the other day. The American company just said we'd lose money and the British one said F**k off we're putting this drug out anyway, yah boo sucks to your profits.

I can't wait
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Has any one ever heard of CO2 its water pure clean water green energy and it only admits water from the exhorts pipe, yes you can run your car, truck, bus et on water they have known this for many century’s but they also know they would not get the grate returns they get on gas and oil, energy company’s are loosing out to those that have solar panels oil barons and governments dote want to loose out on the big cash returns you pay them every day if every motor was CO2 there would be no need for gas and oil A CO2 engine cerates electrical power so why have power stations that burn gas or oil because we have greedy rich company’s and governments that want more of your money they dote care if it kills you or makes you sick all they care about is how much more money they can make they know what CO2 could do to there profits and they dote WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS because you’re the ones that make them much, much richer.[/p][/quote]Its exactly the same in the Drug industry they don't want to find a cure for cancer as it would destroy there business.One example was a giant drug company was doing research on a natural cure which was proving as effective as chemo without the side effects but because they could not patient a natural treatment there was no money to be made so it got stopped.This is why its good news the American company did not take over a british one this week as they only want control and to stop research as if cures are found there profits will suffer.[/p][/quote]I think this is the one I heard about the other day. The American company just said we'd lose money and the British one said F**k off we're putting this drug out anyway, yah boo sucks to your profits. I can't wait ghost bus driver
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Sat 24 May 14

ARMANA says...

Fantastic news. get fracking , we need the energy now, !!
Fantastic news. get fracking , we need the energy now, !! ARMANA
  • Score: -5

1:32am Sun 25 May 14

Mr chock says...

Hovite wrote:
Mr chock wrote:
Hovite wrote:
I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.
please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil
the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that .
Don't know why you got some thumbs down.

Thorium is considered a safe nuclear energy source and should be explored further in the UK as other countries around the world have done.
i got a thumbs down from ... Goldwight because his not liking my comment sin the big beach clean up ..i dont like the way the homosexual activitys are still precticed at Dukes mound and urinating in public is illeagel acts and Goldwight did not know any of that and then i got a few doggy likers because i acttively critisied a lady who kileld her dog Tiggls http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11217715.
Glass_door_crash_kil
ls_greyhound/ Belinda Jones is feeling the loss if her dog but the comment i made have now been removed i wonder how many other people think keeping greyhound "ex racing dogs inside " / ay big dogs is a bit cruel and pointless in todays ..its ok the Argus has warned me i must not be homophobic and insult half of there readership ..
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr chock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: I had better start drilling under my house and plumb myself directly into it then.[/p][/quote]please can i have your drilling equipment after you .. if you don't find "shale gas" / oil the pricing of the electricity had become a profit profit profit by stealth and sneaky methods EDF owns the energy plant they then dictated the price of the units of electricity .. nuclear power stations produce massive amount of electricity after a massive investment when was the last nuclear power station built in the uk .. ? the energy from waste recovery station in newhaven is a greatly under used facility and has little impact on the locals the power station in shoreham could easily be upscaled to another turbine , personal power production by heat recovery and solar is still a big investment but many many have taken this choice and are actually feeding electricity back to the national grid .. lets look more into that .[/p][/quote]Don't know why you got some thumbs down. Thorium is considered a safe nuclear energy source and should be explored further in the UK as other countries around the world have done.[/p][/quote]i got a thumbs down from ... Goldwight because his not liking my comment sin the big beach clean up ..i dont like the way the homosexual activitys are still precticed at Dukes mound and urinating in public is illeagel acts and Goldwight did not know any of that and then i got a few doggy likers because i acttively critisied a lady who kileld her dog Tiggls http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11217715. Glass_door_crash_kil ls_greyhound/ Belinda Jones is feeling the loss if her dog but the comment i made have now been removed i wonder how many other people think keeping greyhound "ex racing dogs inside " / ay big dogs is a bit cruel and pointless in todays ..its ok the Argus has warned me i must not be homophobic and insult half of there readership .. Mr chock
  • Score: -4

2:44am Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?
If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

8:23am Sun 25 May 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Clobrob6 said...

"So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets."

I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.
I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered?

If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Clobrob6 said... "So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets." I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered? If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself. Plantpot
  • Score: -3

8:25am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?
They don't.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?[/p][/quote]They don't. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

8:35am Sun 25 May 14

Plantpot says...

her professional wrote:
PorkyChopper wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things!
Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources.
Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees!
Did you actually read the article?!

The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi?

Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker?

There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK.

Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.
You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.
UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay.

To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent.

Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."
Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right.
No dictatorship and misery under capitalism then? In fact, "left wing" ideas have not been tried time and time again, it's capitalism and the free market that's been operating across the globe almost uninterrupted for centuries. For an example of its purest form look at Victorian England - wealth for the few and grinding poverty, misery and near starvation for many, oh hang on, sorry that's now isn't it. While I'm at it, can anyone explain how, in the space of five years we've got to the situation where there's almost some sort of pride taken in the fact that people are running food banks?
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that under capitalism, man exploits man, and under socialism, it's the other way round. Boom and indeed, boom.

I don't know about pride being taken in foodbanks. It's worth taking the time to google "foodbanks abuse". As one of the charities sadid, if the foodbanks are there offering food, people will find a way to use them, entitled or not. As you show by your comments, foodbanks are becoming incredibly politicised by the left; and therefore the message that some people are in genuine need will become ignored. Still, I'm sure the left wouldn't scaremonger to try and rustle up a few votes from the naive, would they?
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: Build the second runway at Gatwick and lets get Fracking! Don't let Nimbys spoil things! Oil and Gas will create a local boom creating jobs. We need security of oil and gas supplies without relying on unreliable foreign sources. Remember its taxes that pay pensions. The more cash generated the better for all. We can also create jobs for the 'rent a mob' yobs who claim benefits and still protest at Balcombe or in trees![/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article?! The gas and oil obtained from fracking will not be used in the UK - FACT It will be sold to the EU countries - so we don't get cheaper gas and oil, we don't get a reduction in our extortionate gas prices. Comprehendi? Did you have your head up your backside when Osborne reduced the tax payable by fracking companies BY 50%? Are you aware that ossy's daddy-in-law is a parasitic fracker? There will be no cash generated for the likes of the people of the UK, only the corrupt ones in power who will take it all off to their tax havens, outside of the UK. Get real and learn what's going on under your nose.[/p][/quote]You are right about Osborne he has a interest,but lets be honest its no mistake that the career millionaire politicians are leading ALL the major parties.They now think its there job to tell us what and what not we can vote on,they dished the dirt big time against UKIP as they don't want there bubble burst.Basically these millionaire politicians are not bothered about our country but they are there to make policies to benefit themselves.Cameron is also at it,his wife and her father Sir Reginald Sheffield bought Conesby farm in Lincolnshire that could not get planning permission,cameron has since relaxed planning laws so now its worth millions more with planning permission for a housing estate much to the discust of local residents.Of course his friend Osbourne introduced the 5% deposit so Cameron can sell them.So what you say is CORRECT its the rich that will benefit but i'm afraid we cant get away from this as they are running the country.The voters are fed up of the lies that's why UKIP are getting popular.The three main parties are all the same they are making policies to line there own pockets FACT.[/p][/quote]UKIP is not the answer to this problem. They'll be handing out fracking licences faster than the Tories. As well as selling off the NHS, abolishing the minimum wage and ending such things as maternity pay. To quote Mark Steel: "With all this chaos looming over us, we need an outsider, an anti-establishment figure who’s prepared to stand apart from the self-serving hierarchy that’s in charge. This explains the rise of Nigel Farage, as there’s no one more anti-establishment than a posh ex-stockbroker from rural Kent. Unlike the metropolitan elite, Nigel understands the common man from his background of day-to-day struggle dealing in commodities in the City of London. Much like being a fisherman in the 19th century, stockbroking breeds a tough down-to-earth battling outlook that takes no nonsense from the privileged, stemming from the days when he had no idea where his next bonus was coming from."[/p][/quote]Mark Steel and other left whingers are just impotent with rage that no one ever votes for their sixth form political ideology. Their ideas look great on paper. When they get out into the real world, their weaknesses are exposed. They rely on state micromanagement of people's lives, and a stifling beuraucracy that needs to be paid for. They think that if we could "just try it one more time", it would all work out like it's supposed to in theory. Their ideas have been tried time and time again, but always lead to dictatorship and misery. P.S. I've never been able to spell beuraucracy right.[/p][/quote]No dictatorship and misery under capitalism then? In fact, "left wing" ideas have not been tried time and time again, it's capitalism and the free market that's been operating across the globe almost uninterrupted for centuries. For an example of its purest form look at Victorian England - wealth for the few and grinding poverty, misery and near starvation for many, oh hang on, sorry that's now isn't it. While I'm at it, can anyone explain how, in the space of five years we've got to the situation where there's almost some sort of pride taken in the fact that people are running food banks?[/p][/quote]The difference between capitalism and socialism is that under capitalism, man exploits man, and under socialism, it's the other way round. Boom and indeed, boom. I don't know about pride being taken in foodbanks. It's worth taking the time to google "foodbanks abuse". As one of the charities sadid, if the foodbanks are there offering food, people will find a way to use them, entitled or not. As you show by your comments, foodbanks are becoming incredibly politicised by the left; and therefore the message that some people are in genuine need will become ignored. Still, I'm sure the left wouldn't scaremonger to try and rustle up a few votes from the naive, would they? Plantpot
  • Score: -1

8:40am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Clobrob6 said...

"So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets."

I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.
I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered?

If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself.
The flat rate tax is a bit like monetarism or free market forces, it exists in a working form only in text books. It is an idea that primarily benefits the wealthiest.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Clobrob6 said... "So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets." I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered? If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself.[/p][/quote]The flat rate tax is a bit like monetarism or free market forces, it exists in a working form only in text books. It is an idea that primarily benefits the wealthiest. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

8:44am Sun 25 May 14

Plantpot says...

skylight wrote:
I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first !
What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this?
Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ?
What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland?

Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice?

Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF!
The problem with the protests is that you can never be quite sure what people are protesting about.

In the case of environmental protests, scientists say that man made climate change is real. Scientists also say that fracking is safe. Unfortunately, climate protests appear to be about left wing anti-capitalist politics first and foremost, so the protesters choose to accept the MMGW stuff as it sticks it to global co.'s, but try and base their objections to fracking on their own unproven "science". On the other hand, there is a body of people, associated with right wing pro corporate politics that views the science the other way round.

All this stuff is as obvious as the nose on your face, and why I don't take Caroline Lucas seriously, or the Balcombe protesters, who might in some people's eyes be worried about their house prices first and foremost.
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: I am damned if I want them drilling under my house without even having to ask me first ! What happened to freedom if the totalitarian state can just do this? Have you never seen the films of contaminated water supplies in the U S A ? What about the tourism, if Sussex if it becomes an industrial wasteland? Why insult the Balcombe protesters as if they were wastrels, when concerned citizens wish to raise their voice? Once ruined, our County can never be put back ...Protest Now, and tell 'em to FRACK OFF![/p][/quote]The problem with the protests is that you can never be quite sure what people are protesting about. In the case of environmental protests, scientists say that man made climate change is real. Scientists also say that fracking is safe. Unfortunately, climate protests appear to be about left wing anti-capitalist politics first and foremost, so the protesters choose to accept the MMGW stuff as it sticks it to global co.'s, but try and base their objections to fracking on their own unproven "science". On the other hand, there is a body of people, associated with right wing pro corporate politics that views the science the other way round. All this stuff is as obvious as the nose on your face, and why I don't take Caroline Lucas seriously, or the Balcombe protesters, who might in some people's eyes be worried about their house prices first and foremost. Plantpot
  • Score: 2

8:45am Sun 25 May 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Clobrob6 said...

"So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets."

I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.
I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered?

If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself.
The flat rate tax is a bit like monetarism or free market forces, it exists in a working form only in text books. It is an idea that primarily benefits the wealthiest.
Obviously.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Clobrob6 said... "So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets." I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]I'm not a UKIP supporter, but I would guess you're not understanding the concept of flat rate tax, who pays it and how it is administered? If you think there are no vested interests in Big Renewables or Green Socialism you are kidding yourself.[/p][/quote]The flat rate tax is a bit like monetarism or free market forces, it exists in a working form only in text books. It is an idea that primarily benefits the wealthiest.[/p][/quote]Obviously. Plantpot
  • Score: -2

9:44am Sun 25 May 14

jamus77 says...

'Sitting'. Jesus wept Argus! Does anyone there have basic grammar?
'Sitting'. Jesus wept Argus! Does anyone there have basic grammar? jamus77
  • Score: 2

10:10am Sun 25 May 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?
They don't.
Yes they do, both Ben Duncan and Liz Wakefield are extremely active in promoting travellers interests. Ben Duncan usually tries to close down any debate about travellers by accusing anyone who points out that monopolising public spaces for private use and leaving them covered in rubbish is anti social behaviour of racism and Liz seems to have a habit of sitting in meetings and wailing from the back about the Travellers budget being cut. Then there's Caroline, you don't have to spend much time on google to find these things out so why are you so poorly informed?
Or are you just trying to give a totally false impression? Who was it that made a complaint about Dawn Barnett who dared to oppose yet another encampment of travellers. It was reported to have been made by Councillor Phelim MacCafferty.
And it was the greens who have actively encouraged the idea of tolerated unauthorised encampments so you are just flat out wrong to say that the greens have not been responsible for encouraging travellers to come and stay in Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?[/p][/quote]They don't.[/p][/quote]Yes they do, both Ben Duncan and Liz Wakefield are extremely active in promoting travellers interests. Ben Duncan usually tries to close down any debate about travellers by accusing anyone who points out that monopolising public spaces for private use and leaving them covered in rubbish is anti social behaviour of racism and Liz seems to have a habit of sitting in meetings and wailing from the back about the Travellers budget being cut. Then there's Caroline, you don't have to spend much time on google to find these things out so why are you so poorly informed? Or are you just trying to give a totally false impression? Who was it that made a complaint about Dawn Barnett who dared to oppose yet another encampment of travellers. It was reported to have been made by Councillor Phelim MacCafferty. And it was the greens who have actively encouraged the idea of tolerated unauthorised encampments so you are just flat out wrong to say that the greens have not been responsible for encouraging travellers to come and stay in Brighton. JHunty
  • Score: 1

10:10am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

Test
Test HJarrs
  • Score: 0

10:16am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?
They don't.
Yes they do, both Ben Duncan and Liz Wakefield are extremely active in promoting travellers interests. Ben Duncan usually tries to close down any debate about travellers by accusing anyone who points out that monopolising public spaces for private use and leaving them covered in rubbish is anti social behaviour of racism and Liz seems to have a habit of sitting in meetings and wailing from the back about the Travellers budget being cut. Then there's Caroline, you don't have to spend much time on google to find these things out so why are you so poorly informed?
Or are you just trying to give a totally false impression? Who was it that made a complaint about Dawn Barnett who dared to oppose yet another encampment of travellers. It was reported to have been made by Councillor Phelim MacCafferty.
And it was the greens who have actively encouraged the idea of tolerated unauthorised encampments so you are just flat out wrong to say that the greens have not been responsible for encouraging travellers to come and stay in Brighton.
There are no billboards out there saying please camp in our parks. That is encouragement.

What is the relevance to fracking exactly?
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?[/p][/quote]They don't.[/p][/quote]Yes they do, both Ben Duncan and Liz Wakefield are extremely active in promoting travellers interests. Ben Duncan usually tries to close down any debate about travellers by accusing anyone who points out that monopolising public spaces for private use and leaving them covered in rubbish is anti social behaviour of racism and Liz seems to have a habit of sitting in meetings and wailing from the back about the Travellers budget being cut. Then there's Caroline, you don't have to spend much time on google to find these things out so why are you so poorly informed? Or are you just trying to give a totally false impression? Who was it that made a complaint about Dawn Barnett who dared to oppose yet another encampment of travellers. It was reported to have been made by Councillor Phelim MacCafferty. And it was the greens who have actively encouraged the idea of tolerated unauthorised encampments so you are just flat out wrong to say that the greens have not been responsible for encouraging travellers to come and stay in Brighton.[/p][/quote]There are no billboards out there saying please camp in our parks. That is encouragement. What is the relevance to fracking exactly? HJarrs
  • Score: 3

10:18am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

So, from the media reports we can forget about fracked gas in the south east, apparently we are sitting on shale oil. Now, if you were really, really disciplined and scrupulous you could just about make a case for fracking of gas, the argument would be that you would frack to the highest environmental standards, close coal powered stations for gas, capture carbon emissions and permanently store, at the same time pursuing energy reduction measures and a build-up of renewables and energy storage with a view to replacement of gas altogether. Fracked gas as bridge fuel. Of course this is not happening, not what is proposed and not going to happen, hence why it is far better for us to leave frackable gas in the ground and move straight to renewables.

Compared to gas, fracked oil produces at least 50% higher emissions than gas per unit of electricity generated. It is a much greater challenge environmentally and again, frackable oil is better left in the ground than having to deal with the long-term consequences of its emissions.
So, from the media reports we can forget about fracked gas in the south east, apparently we are sitting on shale oil. Now, if you were really, really disciplined and scrupulous you could just about make a case for fracking of gas, the argument would be that you would frack to the highest environmental standards, close coal powered stations for gas, capture carbon emissions and permanently store, at the same time pursuing energy reduction measures and a build-up of renewables and energy storage with a view to replacement of gas altogether. Fracked gas as bridge fuel. Of course this is not happening, not what is proposed and not going to happen, hence why it is far better for us to leave frackable gas in the ground and move straight to renewables. Compared to gas, fracked oil produces at least 50% higher emissions than gas per unit of electricity generated. It is a much greater challenge environmentally and again, frackable oil is better left in the ground than having to deal with the long-term consequences of its emissions. HJarrs
  • Score: 4

10:23am Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness. HJarrs
  • Score: 5

1:32pm Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

2:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Mr chock says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?
and the argus prevents comments on the reporting of them ...its a strange strange situation
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: If Sussex is too beautiful to be destroyed, why do the Greens encourage travellers to come here?[/p][/quote]and the argus prevents comments on the reporting of them ...its a strange strange situation Mr chock
  • Score: -1

3:09pm Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"What is the relevance to fracking exactly?"

It spoils the countryside, which is why the Greens are opposed to it.

Travellers despoil the countryside, too.....yet the Greens encourage them.

My point was the double-standards displayed by the Greens - what a shame I had to point that out.
"What is the relevance to fracking exactly?" It spoils the countryside, which is why the Greens are opposed to it. Travellers despoil the countryside, too.....yet the Greens encourage them. My point was the double-standards displayed by the Greens - what a shame I had to point that out. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

3:11pm Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

jamus77 wrote:
'Sitting'. Jesus wept Argus! Does anyone there have basic grammar?
Such as the ability to place a comma after 'wept'?

;-)
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: 'Sitting'. Jesus wept Argus! Does anyone there have basic grammar?[/p][/quote]Such as the ability to place a comma after 'wept'? ;-) ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

6:47pm Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics! HJarrs
  • Score: 5

6:58pm Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics!
China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year.

Has it's climate altered in your lifetime?

No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate.

The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics![/p][/quote]China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year. Has it's climate altered in your lifetime? No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate. The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

7:15pm Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics!
China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year.

Has it's climate altered in your lifetime?

No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate.

The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.
OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics![/p][/quote]China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year. Has it's climate altered in your lifetime? No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate. The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.[/p][/quote]OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly. HJarrs
  • Score: 6

7:39pm Sun 25 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics!
China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year.

Has it's climate altered in your lifetime?

No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate.

The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.
OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly.
You do realise that fluctuations in average temperature don't constitute a change in a region's climate?

You don't ?

Oh dear.......
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics![/p][/quote]China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year. Has it's climate altered in your lifetime? No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate. The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.[/p][/quote]OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly.[/p][/quote]You do realise that fluctuations in average temperature don't constitute a change in a region's climate? You don't ? Oh dear....... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

7:54pm Sun 25 May 14

clubrob6 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Clobrob6 said...

"So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets."

I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.
UKIP are not the answer,but until we stop the career millionaire politicians of the three main parties giving our country away to the EU and IMMIGRANTS without our say,as the three main parties now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,the rest of the policies DONT matter we need our country back.We cant sort out the shortage of school places,pressure on the NHS,benefits,housing and all other public services until we sort out the EU and IMMIGRATION.I don't want immigration to stop I just want it controlled so we know who is in the country and that we can deport immigrants that are illegal or break the law.This country has become a country where immigrants can come in breed then send there british born children abroad to fight as we are a safe haven as terrorists have more rights than there victims due to human rights laws.The three main parties are taking our country into civil war in years to come.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Clobrob6 said... "So yes UKIP is not the answer but its our chance to show the career millionaire politicians we don't want them we want normal people in politics who are not from eton who are not well trained public speakers.Someone who wants to make a difference instead of the bunch of CORRUPT millionaires in the other parties that are only there to line there own pockets." I had a good laugh at this one. Just shows how unbelivably niave some people are. Farage and the party backers are cut from exactly the same cloth as those in the Tory party. Farage is a former public school boy who was a stockbroker for goodness sake! They are the greediest of the lot and UKIP is fanancially backed by multi-millionaires who use UKIP for their own purposes. UKIP is the party of the flat rate tax, a tax system in which the poor pay more and the richest pay much less than they do now! Then there are the frequent reports of MEPs gaming the expenses system in Europe. UKIP is anything but a party of ordinary people standing up for ordinary people.[/p][/quote]UKIP are not the answer,but until we stop the career millionaire politicians of the three main parties giving our country away to the EU and IMMIGRANTS without our say,as the three main parties now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,the rest of the policies DONT matter we need our country back.We cant sort out the shortage of school places,pressure on the NHS,benefits,housing and all other public services until we sort out the EU and IMMIGRATION.I don't want immigration to stop I just want it controlled so we know who is in the country and that we can deport immigrants that are illegal or break the law.This country has become a country where immigrants can come in breed then send there british born children abroad to fight as we are a safe haven as terrorists have more rights than there victims due to human rights laws.The three main parties are taking our country into civil war in years to come. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Sun 25 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change.

The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system.

The whole thing is madness.
The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics!
China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year.

Has it's climate altered in your lifetime?

No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate.

The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.
OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly.
You do realise that fluctuations in average temperature don't constitute a change in a region's climate?

You don't ?

Oh dear.......
Sea and air temperatures are increasing over and above any cyclic fluctuations. Glaciers are retreating, ice sheets breaking up sea levels rising, animal ranges changing. Pretending climate change is not happening, does not alter the fact it is.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Energy companies are investing 500 billion+ per year in largely what are known as stranded assets i.e. fossil fuel reserves that cannot be exploited if we are to avoid runaway climate change. The same amount of money would be sufficient to deliver a renewables revolution that would meet the needs of preventing climate disaster. Just to add spice, the amount invested in stranded assets is thought by some influential figures to be enough to bring down the economic system. The whole thing is madness.[/p][/quote]The climate isn't changing, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Do people still exist that deny climate change! I can understand debate about degree of climate change, but how exactly does emitting vast quantities of greenhouse gases not change the climate? Maybe you have just discovered a new law of physics![/p][/quote]China pumps out billions of tons of greenhouses gases every year. Has it's climate altered in your lifetime? No, and nether has the world's. Slight changes in temperature and rainfall etc do NOT constitute a change in climate. The fact that the world's scientists cannot state for certain that greenhouse gases change climate proves that they don't.[/p][/quote]OMG! Are you for real? Of course China's climate has changed in my lifetime so far has as everywhere. These slight changes you talk about, if the planet was 2 degrees C colder, we would be on the cusp of an ice age. The international agreements are to limit global temperature rise by "only" 2 degrees. I am likely to have witnessed more than half that rise in my lifetime. I would mention energy flows but it will be over your head clearly.[/p][/quote]You do realise that fluctuations in average temperature don't constitute a change in a region's climate? You don't ? Oh dear.......[/p][/quote]Sea and air temperatures are increasing over and above any cyclic fluctuations. Glaciers are retreating, ice sheets breaking up sea levels rising, animal ranges changing. Pretending climate change is not happening, does not alter the fact it is. HJarrs
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12:33am Mon 26 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Sea and air temperatures are increasing over and above any cyclic fluctuations"

No, they aren't.

" Glaciers are retreating, ice sheets breaking up sea levels rising"

No, they aren't.

" animal ranges changing. "

Creatures adapt, as does nature.

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"Sea and air temperatures are increasing over and above any cyclic fluctuations" No, they aren't. " Glaciers are retreating, ice sheets breaking up sea levels rising" No, they aren't. " animal ranges changing. " Creatures adapt, as does nature. https://www.google.c o.uk/search?q=sea+te mratures+falling&ie= utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t& rls=org.mozilla:en-U S:official&client=fi refox-a&channel=sb&g fe_rd=cr&ei=VHyCU_3I EoLY8geyxYGwCw#chann el=sb&q=sea+temperat ures+falling&rls=org .mozilla:en-US:offic ial&spell=1 ZeeGee, ffs
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