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UKIP set sights on Sussex Westminster seat after EU election success

The Argus: UKIP set sights on Sussex Westminster seat after EU election success UKIP set sights on Sussex Westminster seat after EU election success

The UK Independence Party (UKIP) stormed the European elections on Sunday night, gaining two seats in the South East to take their regional tally to four.

The Greens and Labour maintained their one seat each, while the Conservatives lost one member to see their total fall to three.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats lost one seat – leaving Catherine Bearder as the party’s only MEP in the country.

Describing Sunday night’s European Election results as “historic”, new UKIP MEP for the South East Ray Finch said he was confident that next year would see a party member in Westminster.

He said: “I think the result last night showed the Liberal Democrats are finished as a party.

“We are the only party left that is truly national. The Tories have no support in the north and Labour has little support in the south. We are the opposition now.

Campaigning “I can absolutely see UKIP winning a seat in Parliament for Sussex next year.

“In fact I think we will win a significant number of seats at next year’s general election.”

European hopefuls gathered at Southampton’s Civic Centre on Sunday night for the results after months of campaigning.

At the last vote in 2009, UKIP won just two of the ten seats in the South East, while the Conservatives led with four. The Liberal Democrats had two seats five years ago with one each for the Greens and Labour.

This time round UKIP attracted 751,439 votes in the South East, which equates to 32.14% overall – a 13.2 percentage point increase on five years ago.

The Conservatives came second with 723,571 votes, 30.95% overall and 3.84 percentage points down on 2009.

Labour was next with 342,775, 14.66% of the vote and a 6.41 percentage point increase, with the Greens getting 211,706 votes, 9.05% of the total at a 2.57 percentage point drop.

The Liberal Democrats, meanwhile, got just 187,876 votes, 8.04% of the total and a 6.11 percentage points drop on 2009.

Despite a fall in votes from 2009, Green MEP Keith Taylor kept his seat.

Speaking yesterday while in the queue to get on the Eurostar, he said: “I’m delighted but UKIP should be a concern for us all.

“The support they have sends a message that people are not happy with Europe. What we must now do is understand what their concerns are and see what we can do to allay their fears.

“We want to be part of Europe but we must make sure it is more democratic and more accountable.

“The way to do that is by being part of it, not throwing all your toys out of the pram.”

Speaking on the challenges ahead, he said he would focus on opposing austerity measures, as well as tackling environmental issues such as air quality, fracking and animal welfare.

He added: “We want to be part of Europe. It is going to be difficult with the increase in right wing parties across Europe but we are not going anywhere. We will stick at it and work hard for a better future for the South East.”

The big losers nationally were the Liberal Democrats, with the party losing ten seats across the UK overnight.

Catherine Bearder, for the South East, is now the party’s only MEP in the country.

Speaking to The Argus yesterday, she said the party’s fortunes had been the result of a number of factors.

She said: “Clearly the anti-EU vote was uppermost and as a pro-EU party that affected us badly.

“We are also now in power in Westminster and those in power always get a kicking. As a junior member of the coalition it was something of a double-kicking. It’s disappointing.”

Speaking about the way forward for the party, she said: “If I had an answer I would be happy to give it to you. We need to really look long and hard at how we campaign and how we get our message across and why we didn’t engage with the voter this time.

Environment “I will continue with the work I have started with regards human trafficking and the environment. I will also be working hard looking at job creation.”

Labour maintained their one seat in the South East. However, there was disappointment at them not gaining another despite seeing a 6.41% point increase in votes from 2009.

New Labour MEP Anneliese Dodds said she was “honoured” to have been elected.

She said: “I’m delighted and will work hard for the people of the South East. My number one priority in Europe is to oppose the austerity measures.

“I will also be focusing on promoting jobs and growth, particu larly for young people. I don’t think Britain is getting as much as it could out of the EU and I will be making sure young people in the region get all the help they can.”

Labour will also be encouraged by the breakdown of votes in Brighton and Hove, with the party topping the city ballot with 20,414.

Second were the Greens with 18,586, third the Conservatives with 15,626, fourth UKIP with 14,205 then the Liberal Democrats with 4,025.

Ms Dodds MEP said the breakdown was “encouraging”, with the party looking to win back seats in Westminster and the council next May.

She added: “It is difficult to predict but the signs are certainly positive. There is still a long way to go.”

Speaking about his plans as a new MEP, Mr Finch said the objective was “to get the UK out of there”.

He said: “The people of this country have been treated as mushrooms with regards to the EU. I mean, how often do you see media coverage of a European debate?

“We are going to go there, find out what they are doing and come back and tell people.

“We will hold public meetings and make sure the people of this country know what is really happening. We will then be calling for a referendum to get us out of there.”

ARGUS COMMENT PIECE 

By Michael Davies, local government reporter

Nigel Farage promised the UK establishment he would deliver a political earthquake at this year’s local and European elections.

Late on Sunday night he made good on that promise after UKIP beat the mainstream parties to first place in the EU voting.

It had been largely predicted the anti-EU party would do well at this election, with all the polls showing they were going to push Labour and the Tories all the way.

But in a result that will have ramifications for mainstream politics in Britain for years, and certainly in the run up to the general election next year, UKIP proudly declared it was the party standing up for the millions of disenfranchised former and current voters who were tired of the establishment.

Standing at the podium, Nigel Farage cut a determined figure as he announced his party had made history in the most significant election result for 100 years.

In the immediate aftermath of the result all the leaders of the main parties have been asked how it happened.

Nick Clegg is now facing a genuine crisis in his leadership, Ed Miliband is facing questions as to how he allowed UKIP to become the alternative vote and David Cameron is being pressured to enter into a political pact with UKIP after the Conservatives finished third for the first time in a major election.

But the aftershocks of Farage’s earthquake have failed to reach Brighton and Hove, with UKIP finishing a distant fourth.

Mr Farage admitted last on Sunday that every party had weak areas and Brighton’s university students may have played a role in making sure his party didn’t make gains.

And it will be Labour who is celebrating the most in Brighton and Hove after the EU vote after finishing first in the city ahead of the Green Party less than a year before the general and local elections next year.

 

YOUR MEPs

Nigel Farage (UKIP)

Janice Atkinson (UKIP)

Diane James (UKIP)

Ray Finch (UKIP)

Anneliese Dodds (Labour)

Keith Taylor (Green)

Catherine Bearder (Liberal Democrat)

Daniel Hannan (Conservative)

Nirj Deva (Conservative)

Richard Ashworth (Conservative)

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7:20am Tue 27 May 14

simonk says...

One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-)
One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-) simonk
  • Score: 6

7:21am Tue 27 May 14

HJarrs says...

Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

7:30am Tue 27 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens.
The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 15

7:46am Tue 27 May 14

HJarrs says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens.
You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. Still, as UKIP morphs into a mainstream party now with a gay MEP and an MEP from an ethnic minority, I wonder if the UKIP core support will hold up? Will it keep the BNP vote?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens.[/p][/quote]You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. Still, as UKIP morphs into a mainstream party now with a gay MEP and an MEP from an ethnic minority, I wonder if the UKIP core support will hold up? Will it keep the BNP vote? HJarrs
  • Score: -12

8:09am Tue 27 May 14

We love Red Billy says...

Maybe Alex Phillips should jump ship and join UKIP. She may have more success in rejoining the EU gravy train that way.
Maybe Alex Phillips should jump ship and join UKIP. She may have more success in rejoining the EU gravy train that way. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 4

9:06am Tue 27 May 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Many people that vote are simply victims of "groupthink". (The Balcombe protests being a fantastic example). What they vote for or against isn't necessarily about policies in themselves, but more about their perceived position in life.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Many people that vote are simply victims of "groupthink". (The Balcombe protests being a fantastic example). What they vote for or against isn't necessarily about policies in themselves, but more about their perceived position in life. Plantpot
  • Score: 0

9:07am Tue 27 May 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens.
You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. Still, as UKIP morphs into a mainstream party now with a gay MEP and an MEP from an ethnic minority, I wonder if the UKIP core support will hold up? Will it keep the BNP vote?
Presumably you have been told what to think by Lucas? Are you into homeopathy yet?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: The boring litany from the mainstream politicians, about how they must listen to the public, goes on and on with such monotony. It is a bit late now for them to start talking of doing this, when for years now they have totally ignored the concerns and wishes of the public. Too little too late. Thank goodness for UKIP, the only party that makes any sense. Time to kick out Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and the Greens.[/p][/quote]You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. Still, as UKIP morphs into a mainstream party now with a gay MEP and an MEP from an ethnic minority, I wonder if the UKIP core support will hold up? Will it keep the BNP vote?[/p][/quote]Presumably you have been told what to think by Lucas? Are you into homeopathy yet? Plantpot
  • Score: 10

9:13am Tue 27 May 14

clubrob6 says...

simonk wrote:
One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-)
I agree usually on here comments are really bad about the greens but its obvious there is still massive support for them,its probably because the media only report on things when they go wrong and never on anything good they do.I'm not green but this result does show they are popular.The turnout for the vote was poor as normal so I think anyone that could not be bothered to vote should also not bother complaining.
[quote][p][bold]simonk[/bold] wrote: One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-)[/p][/quote]I agree usually on here comments are really bad about the greens but its obvious there is still massive support for them,its probably because the media only report on things when they go wrong and never on anything good they do.I'm not green but this result does show they are popular.The turnout for the vote was poor as normal so I think anyone that could not be bothered to vote should also not bother complaining. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

9:27am Tue 27 May 14

clubrob6 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws. clubrob6
  • Score: 16

10:31am Tue 27 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Elgabalus wrote:
It might already be too late for Brighton and Hove, in a lot of towns and Cities there is a tipping point, where the populace becomes so skewed in one direction thaqt the normal eole are powerless, we have to many Unemployable, Veggie, LGBTGTS, Green, Liberal, Arty, Bohmemian, drug addled individuals now in Brighton, with more coming by the month, and with each end of term from the Universities...
It is the same in places like Twer hamlets but for different reasons... However that is not to say that Kirkby Weatherly etc might not be under threat...We can but hope.
Brighton is doomed now, as any fule kno....but there is hope for the surrounding environs.... for now...
It is becoming like Tower Hamlets which is now a muslim area,but in Brighton and Hove its been took over by outsiders.Thats why we have 16000 people on the housing list as locals are being forced out.In Tower Hamlets there was a large turnout on voting day so they made sure they voted there own into power,it was also one of the areas that took longer for results due to checking for vote rigging.
[quote][p][bold]Elgabalus[/bold] wrote: It might already be too late for Brighton and Hove, in a lot of towns and Cities there is a tipping point, where the populace becomes so skewed in one direction thaqt the normal eole are powerless, we have to many Unemployable, Veggie, LGBTGTS, Green, Liberal, Arty, Bohmemian, drug addled individuals now in Brighton, with more coming by the month, and with each end of term from the Universities... It is the same in places like Twer hamlets but for different reasons... However that is not to say that Kirkby Weatherly etc might not be under threat...We can but hope. Brighton is doomed now, as any fule kno....but there is hope for the surrounding environs.... for now...[/p][/quote]It is becoming like Tower Hamlets which is now a muslim area,but in Brighton and Hove its been took over by outsiders.Thats why we have 16000 people on the housing list as locals are being forced out.In Tower Hamlets there was a large turnout on voting day so they made sure they voted there own into power,it was also one of the areas that took longer for results due to checking for vote rigging. clubrob6
  • Score: 8

10:55am Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. "

He didn't refer to personality once. He referred to mainstream politicians, not leaders. No matter which MP steps forward to discuss an issue, they all sound the same about how lessons must be learned and how they really are listening to the people. The 2010 General Election was the first that the three main parties actually discussed immigration. Previously, that was the sole preserve of those dismissed as 'racists' by the mainstream and the media, as if it wasn't to be discussed. As a result, we've had Cameron making futile comments about reducing net immigration whilst deliberately opening the jobs market to two new countries.

How that can be seen as listening to the public will probably never be explained.

As for UKIP's policies that you claim to have been kept in the dark about, the party's very name should tell you much about that. Getting out of the EU and restoring the UK's sovereignty would be a huge step towards improving this country for all Britons.
"You mean it makes sense if you just vote for a personality rather than policy. Farage and the millionaire backers have not told you what you stand for yet. " He didn't refer to personality once. He referred to mainstream politicians, not leaders. No matter which MP steps forward to discuss an issue, they all sound the same about how lessons must be learned and how they really are listening to the people. The 2010 General Election was the first that the three main parties actually discussed immigration. Previously, that was the sole preserve of those dismissed as 'racists' by the mainstream and the media, as if it wasn't to be discussed. As a result, we've had Cameron making futile comments about reducing net immigration whilst deliberately opening the jobs market to two new countries. How that can be seen as listening to the public will probably never be explained. As for UKIP's policies that you claim to have been kept in the dark about, the party's very name should tell you much about that. Getting out of the EU and restoring the UK's sovereignty would be a huge step towards improving this country for all Britons. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 10

11:40am Tue 27 May 14

pachallis says...

Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs! pachallis
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Tue 27 May 14

her professional says...

clubrob6 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.
They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote.
Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place.
I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.[/p][/quote]They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on. her professional
  • Score: -3

12:03pm Tue 27 May 14

salty_pete says...

The fact still remains that the UK government, of any stripe, cannot "manage" immigration from within the EU. The only influence it has is on immigration from outside the EU. No matter what any minister says, or opposition spokesman, they are constrained by EU diktats on immigration policy, and this is a major tenet of its constitution, it is NOT up for negotiation whatever Cameron might have us believe. So our sovreignty is severly compromised. Is it any wonder that the British people want to be rid of Brussels and its unaccountable, unelected technocrats so we can make our own decisions and apply our own Laws. I'd even vote Labour (heaven forfend) if they promised, and made a legal binding undertaking (ie not like Brown's promise on the Lisbon treaty he never kept) to have a referendum on the EU. I hope Cameron changes tactics and defers the negotiation phase "for a better deal" (we always lose in EU negotiations), and cuts straight to the chase and delivers the referendum he has promised.
The fact still remains that the UK government, of any stripe, cannot "manage" immigration from within the EU. The only influence it has is on immigration from outside the EU. No matter what any minister says, or opposition spokesman, they are constrained by EU diktats on immigration policy, and this is a major tenet of its constitution, it is NOT up for negotiation whatever Cameron might have us believe. So our sovreignty is severly compromised. Is it any wonder that the British people want to be rid of Brussels and its unaccountable, unelected technocrats so we can make our own decisions and apply our own Laws. I'd even vote Labour (heaven forfend) if they promised, and made a legal binding undertaking (ie not like Brown's promise on the Lisbon treaty he never kept) to have a referendum on the EU. I hope Cameron changes tactics and defers the negotiation phase "for a better deal" (we always lose in EU negotiations), and cuts straight to the chase and delivers the referendum he has promised. salty_pete
  • Score: 5

12:10pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me.

It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs![/p][/quote]I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me. It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies. Gribbet
  • Score: -5

12:16pm Tue 27 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

her professional wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
HJarrs wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.
They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.
You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed,
Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party?
The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party?

The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.[/p][/quote]They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.[/p][/quote]You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed, Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party? The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party? The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 8

12:22pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me.

It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.
And who pays for them?
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs![/p][/quote]I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me. It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.[/p][/quote]And who pays for them? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 3

12:30pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote.
Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place.
I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on."


The rubbish on immigration comes from the main parties. They can no more control immigration than they can fly unaided to the Moon.

In what way was referring to a third world, aid-swallowing country as Bongo-Bongo Land 'racist'?? Bongos are terrifically popular in those kinds of places AND the comment wasn't being derogatory towards anyone or anywhere.

As for Lenny Henry, you are so wide of the mark it's almost laughable. First off, HE was the one who made the racist comment, complaining that because there were too many white people in his industry they should be discriminated against on the colour of their skin. THAT is racist. It was suggested that he was free to relocate to a country more of his liking. That WASN'T racist.

The fact is that Romanians contribute excessively to the crime figures. You cannot blame Farage for mirroring the concerns of the general public and the authorities.

Instead of leaping upon everything UKIP says, why not try looking into the facts behind the comments?
"They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on." The rubbish on immigration comes from the main parties. They can no more control immigration than they can fly unaided to the Moon. In what way was referring to a third world, aid-swallowing country as Bongo-Bongo Land 'racist'?? Bongos are terrifically popular in those kinds of places AND the comment wasn't being derogatory towards anyone or anywhere. As for Lenny Henry, you are so wide of the mark it's almost laughable. First off, HE was the one who made the racist comment, complaining that because there were too many white people in his industry they should be discriminated against on the colour of their skin. THAT is racist. It was suggested that he was free to relocate to a country more of his liking. That WASN'T racist. The fact is that Romanians contribute excessively to the crime figures. You cannot blame Farage for mirroring the concerns of the general public and the authorities. Instead of leaping upon everything UKIP says, why not try looking into the facts behind the comments? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

12:32pm Tue 27 May 14

pachallis says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me.

It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.
@Gribbet - I agree it is always important to know all the facts about who you are voting for and to see who best matches your own views, and who you feel you can trust to represent you, rather than based upon what you have done historically.

To me the green policies are very much those of a 1960s labour party mixed with Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front.

It seems that if you are inclined to the left then the only option is to vote green as all other parties are now biased to the right and all seem, for example, to be in favour of fracking. Perhaps a centre-environmental party that looks for realistic/pragmatic solutions rather than impractical ideological solutions would do quite well?

I also tend to vote for a different parties at European, Parliamentary and Council elections - but I'd never vote for the incompetent leftie greens - especially when they have 'supporters' like HJarrs ;)
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs![/p][/quote]I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me. It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - I agree it is always important to know all the facts about who you are voting for and to see who best matches your own views, and who you feel you can trust to represent you, rather than based upon what you have done historically. To me the green policies are very much those of a 1960s labour party mixed with Citizen Smith and the Tooting Popular Front. It seems that if you are inclined to the left then the only option is to vote green as all other parties are now biased to the right and all seem, for example, to be in favour of fracking. Perhaps a centre-environmental party that looks for realistic/pragmatic solutions rather than impractical ideological solutions would do quite well? I also tend to vote for a different parties at European, Parliamentary and Council elections - but I'd never vote for the incompetent leftie greens - especially when they have 'supporters' like HJarrs ;) pachallis
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Tue 27 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Elgabalus wrote:
It might already be too late for Brighton and Hove, in a lot of towns and Cities there is a tipping point, where the populace becomes so skewed in one direction thaqt the normal eole are powerless, we have to many Unemployable, Veggie, LGBTGTS, Green, Liberal, Arty, Bohmemian, drug addled individuals now in Brighton, with more coming by the month, and with each end of term from the Universities...
It is the same in places like Twer hamlets but for different reasons... However that is not to say that Kirkby Weatherly etc might not be under threat...We can but hope.
Brighton is doomed now, as any fule kno....but there is hope for the surrounding environs.... for now...
It is becoming like Tower Hamlets which is now a muslim area,but in Brighton and Hove its been took over by outsiders.Thats why we have 16000 people on the housing list as locals are being forced out.In Tower Hamlets there was a large turnout on voting day so they made sure they voted there own into power,it was also one of the areas that took longer for results due to checking for vote rigging.
I saw a documentary about the mayor of Tower Hamlets. He runs it as if it's his own little kingdom. He has imported the worst of third world corrupt politics and carries on as if he is till back home in Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are given priority in everything. If you aren't Bangladeshi, you go to the back of the queue. Until now, the authorities have been scared to touch him, because he uses the "R" word whenever anyone starts to criticise him.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgabalus[/bold] wrote: It might already be too late for Brighton and Hove, in a lot of towns and Cities there is a tipping point, where the populace becomes so skewed in one direction thaqt the normal eole are powerless, we have to many Unemployable, Veggie, LGBTGTS, Green, Liberal, Arty, Bohmemian, drug addled individuals now in Brighton, with more coming by the month, and with each end of term from the Universities... It is the same in places like Twer hamlets but for different reasons... However that is not to say that Kirkby Weatherly etc might not be under threat...We can but hope. Brighton is doomed now, as any fule kno....but there is hope for the surrounding environs.... for now...[/p][/quote]It is becoming like Tower Hamlets which is now a muslim area,but in Brighton and Hove its been took over by outsiders.Thats why we have 16000 people on the housing list as locals are being forced out.In Tower Hamlets there was a large turnout on voting day so they made sure they voted there own into power,it was also one of the areas that took longer for results due to checking for vote rigging.[/p][/quote]I saw a documentary about the mayor of Tower Hamlets. He runs it as if it's his own little kingdom. He has imported the worst of third world corrupt politics and carries on as if he is till back home in Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are given priority in everything. If you aren't Bangladeshi, you go to the back of the queue. Until now, the authorities have been scared to touch him, because he uses the "R" word whenever anyone starts to criticise him. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 7

1:11pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
^^^ Utterly pathetic ^^^^^

You slam UKIP as being 'populist' as if that is somehow a bad thing.

Many people who would never dream of voting UKIP share its concerns about the democratic deficit implicit in in EU membership. They also share UKIP's concerns about the rising population, which is being fuelled by uncontrollable immigration. Don't forget - immigrants are rightly not sterilised when they come here, so they increase the population on two levels.

The three main parties are belatedly addressing this massive issue because they not only see votes in it, but also they appreciate that the country is creaking at the seams.

I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration. People claim that multiculturalism is 'a good thing' without ever explaining why or examining the massively negative effect it has on the host country. It has reached a point where Englishmen get attacked for simply flying the nation's flag, and people like the idiot I've quoted above fully support that disgraceful state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]^^^ Utterly pathetic ^^^^^ You slam UKIP as being 'populist' as if that is somehow a bad thing. Many people who would never dream of voting UKIP share its concerns about the democratic deficit implicit in in EU membership. They also share UKIP's concerns about the rising population, which is being fuelled by uncontrollable immigration. Don't forget - immigrants are rightly not sterilised when they come here, so they increase the population on two levels. The three main parties are belatedly addressing this massive issue because they not only see votes in it, but also they appreciate that the country is creaking at the seams. I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration. People claim that multiculturalism is 'a good thing' without ever explaining why or examining the massively negative effect it has on the host country. It has reached a point where Englishmen get attacked for simply flying the nation's flag, and people like the idiot I've quoted above fully support that disgraceful state of affairs. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Tue 27 May 14

her professional says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
her professional wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
HJarrs wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.
They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.
You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed,
Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party?
The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party?

The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you.
So calling (your description) green/left supporters bitter and twisted, then naming various politicians who have transgressed, is discussing policies is it? I was not conveniently ignoring anything, simply responding to clubrob's statement re UKIP and their pronouncements. I agree it's hard to discredit UKIP's policies, they haven't got any.
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.[/p][/quote]They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.[/p][/quote]You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed, Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party? The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party? The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you.[/p][/quote]So calling (your description) green/left supporters bitter and twisted, then naming various politicians who have transgressed, is discussing policies is it? I was not conveniently ignoring anything, simply responding to clubrob's statement re UKIP and their pronouncements. I agree it's hard to discredit UKIP's policies, they haven't got any. her professional
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Tue 27 May 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

her professional wrote:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
her professional wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
HJarrs wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.
They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.
You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed, Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party? The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party? The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you.
So calling (your description) green/left supporters bitter and twisted, then naming various politicians who have transgressed, is discussing policies is it? I was not conveniently ignoring anything, simply responding to clubrob's statement re UKIP and their pronouncements. I agree it's hard to discredit UKIP's policies, they haven't got any.
No dear. I was making a rhetorical point.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]Here we go just because a party dare say the word immigration that was classed as racist by the so called three main parties you class them as fools.The reason we have got to this position is because the three main parties ignored anything to do with problems with immigration,as basically they were to blame for it.I have not met many people that want immigration stopped we just want it controlled and be able to deport any illegal or law breaking immigrant.The EU is also becoming a state with a President and we have had NO say as the three main parties run by Career Millionaire Politicians now think its there job to tell us what we can vote on,some countries call this a dictatorship.In a lot of ways this was a protest vote and I agree some of UKIPs policies are not good but I think until we get a say on the EU and IMMIGRATION the other policies are seconday as they are all affected by these two issues.One good example of why we need change is we have got to a stage where someone can come into the UK breed and then send there british born children to fight in foreign wars and we cant do anything about it as they are protected by EU human rights laws.[/p][/quote]They have been alledged to be racist not for "daring to say the word immigration" but for various comments eg the Bongo Bongo Land remark, Lenny Henry should go and live in a black country, Farage's generalisations about Romanians, just to name a small selection. And of course they've mopped up the BNP vote. Behind the jovial man down the pub veneer lies a very nasty group of people. Let's see what happens with their latest batch of councillors over the next few months, and no, putting them under scrutiny isn't a media/establishment conspiracy. Mind you, I suppose you need to be fairly paranoid to be in UKIP in the first place. I just hope the main parties come out fighting and tackle some of the rubbish talked about immigration head-on.[/p][/quote]You conveniently overlook the racist remarks of Ken Livingston, Lord Ahmed, Diane Abbot, Jack Straw etc. Do you agree that makes Labour a racist party? The Labour party is also full of criminals - Eric Joyce, Denis McShane, Lord Ahmed, the expenses fiddlers, etc. Does that make it a criminal party? The disgusting thing about the bitter and twisted Green/Left comments on UKIP is that they cannot discredit UKIP's policies so they smear the people instead - the oldest left wing trick in the book - play the man, not the ball. Stalin would be proud of you.[/p][/quote]So calling (your description) green/left supporters bitter and twisted, then naming various politicians who have transgressed, is discussing policies is it? I was not conveniently ignoring anything, simply responding to clubrob's statement re UKIP and their pronouncements. I agree it's hard to discredit UKIP's policies, they haven't got any.[/p][/quote]No dear. I was making a rhetorical point. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for.

UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.
^^^ Utterly pathetic ^^^^^

You slam UKIP as being 'populist' as if that is somehow a bad thing.

Many people who would never dream of voting UKIP share its concerns about the democratic deficit implicit in in EU membership. They also share UKIP's concerns about the rising population, which is being fuelled by uncontrollable immigration. Don't forget - immigrants are rightly not sterilised when they come here, so they increase the population on two levels.

The three main parties are belatedly addressing this massive issue because they not only see votes in it, but also they appreciate that the country is creaking at the seams.

I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration. People claim that multiculturalism is 'a good thing' without ever explaining why or examining the massively negative effect it has on the host country. It has reached a point where Englishmen get attacked for simply flying the nation's flag, and people like the idiot I've quoted above fully support that disgraceful state of affairs.
Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean?

Personally I think an evolving culture is actually a good thing, otherwise we'd all still be wearing codpieces while accusing our neighbours of witchcraft and drowning them in ponds.

If you feel threatened by cultural change, then what about all that American pop music, television, social media, food outlets, the internet in general and celeb culture? Surely that's a bigger driver to cultural change than immigration isn't it? I think your problem is that you're essentially a declinist and your head can't handle the passage of time.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness a seat in B&H will not be forthcoming. Far too many sensible people, who are a bit more intelligent than the media circus give them credit for. UKIP is a new thing for the UK, a populist leader of a party with no real policies. It is a bit like Berlusconi in Italy.[/p][/quote]^^^ Utterly pathetic ^^^^^ You slam UKIP as being 'populist' as if that is somehow a bad thing. Many people who would never dream of voting UKIP share its concerns about the democratic deficit implicit in in EU membership. They also share UKIP's concerns about the rising population, which is being fuelled by uncontrollable immigration. Don't forget - immigrants are rightly not sterilised when they come here, so they increase the population on two levels. The three main parties are belatedly addressing this massive issue because they not only see votes in it, but also they appreciate that the country is creaking at the seams. I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration. People claim that multiculturalism is 'a good thing' without ever explaining why or examining the massively negative effect it has on the host country. It has reached a point where Englishmen get attacked for simply flying the nation's flag, and people like the idiot I've quoted above fully support that disgraceful state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean? Personally I think an evolving culture is actually a good thing, otherwise we'd all still be wearing codpieces while accusing our neighbours of witchcraft and drowning them in ponds. If you feel threatened by cultural change, then what about all that American pop music, television, social media, food outlets, the internet in general and celeb culture? Surely that's a bigger driver to cultural change than immigration isn't it? I think your problem is that you're essentially a declinist and your head can't handle the passage of time. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean?"

I didn't say that it was entirely caused by immigrants. The flood was caused by our politicians.

You claim not to know what cultural genocide is. Here's what one group defines it as:

"Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of traditions, values, language, and other elements which make a one group of people distinct from other groups."

Note that it doesn't necessarily stem entirely from immigration.
"Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean?" I didn't say that it was entirely caused by immigrants. The flood was caused by our politicians. You claim not to know what cultural genocide is. Here's what one group defines it as: "Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of traditions, values, language, and other elements which make a one group of people distinct from other groups." Note that it doesn't necessarily stem entirely from immigration. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

3:08pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me.

It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.
And who pays for them?
Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it.

Don't see why you'd argue against a living wage and lets face it, since the railways and energy companies were privatised, has privatisation made things better? Do you enjoy the current arbitrary price hikes in your energy bills and the recent shady practices of energy companies trying to squeeze more money out of you? As you're someone who clearly thinks everything was so much better in the past, I'm surprised you're not hugely in favour of these policies.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs![/p][/quote]I think I've said this before, but all those points you listed sound pretty **** good if you ask me. It's a real shame that most people vote based on the colour of the party rather than doing a bit of research and voting for the party with the best policies.[/p][/quote]And who pays for them?[/p][/quote]Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it. Don't see why you'd argue against a living wage and lets face it, since the railways and energy companies were privatised, has privatisation made things better? Do you enjoy the current arbitrary price hikes in your energy bills and the recent shady practices of energy companies trying to squeeze more money out of you? As you're someone who clearly thinks everything was so much better in the past, I'm surprised you're not hugely in favour of these policies. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it."

So it isn't paying for itself.
"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it." So it isn't paying for itself. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

3:15pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Don't see why you'd argue against a living wage and lets face it, since the railways and energy companies were privatised, has privatisation made things better? Do you enjoy the current arbitrary price hikes in your energy bills and the recent shady practices of energy companies trying to squeeze more money out of you? As you're someone who clearly thinks everything was so much better in the past, I'm surprised you're not hugely in favour of these policies."

Who has argued against them?

Maybe if you once in a while bothered to read what others wrote before slamming them, you wouldn't look quite so ignorant quite so often.
"Don't see why you'd argue against a living wage and lets face it, since the railways and energy companies were privatised, has privatisation made things better? Do you enjoy the current arbitrary price hikes in your energy bills and the recent shady practices of energy companies trying to squeeze more money out of you? As you're someone who clearly thinks everything was so much better in the past, I'm surprised you're not hugely in favour of these policies." Who has argued against them? Maybe if you once in a while bothered to read what others wrote before slamming them, you wouldn't look quite so ignorant quite so often. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean?"

I didn't say that it was entirely caused by immigrants. The flood was caused by our politicians.

You claim not to know what cultural genocide is. Here's what one group defines it as:

"Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of traditions, values, language, and other elements which make a one group of people distinct from other groups."

Note that it doesn't necessarily stem entirely from immigration.
Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said:

"I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration".
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "Please, rather than just point out this 'cultural genocide' (interesting terminology there btw) that's supposedly caused by immigrants, could you give some good examples of what you actually mean?" I didn't say that it was entirely caused by immigrants. The flood was caused by our politicians. You claim not to know what cultural genocide is. Here's what one group defines it as: "Cultural genocide is the systematic destruction of traditions, values, language, and other elements which make a one group of people distinct from other groups." Note that it doesn't necessarily stem entirely from immigration.[/p][/quote]Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said: "I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". Gribbet
  • Score: 3

3:24pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it."

So it isn't paying for itself.
I think you've seriously missed the point there.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it." So it isn't paying for itself.[/p][/quote]I think you've seriously missed the point there. Gribbet
  • Score: 4

3:28pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

" Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said:

"I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". "

You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers.

HTH
" Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said: "I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". " You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

3:29pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"I think you've seriously missed the point there."

Have you ever considered stating your case rather than merely alluding to its existence?
"I think you've seriously missed the point there." Have you ever considered stating your case rather than merely alluding to its existence? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

3:35pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
" Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said:

"I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". "

You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers.

HTH
Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: " Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said: "I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". " You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers. HTH[/p][/quote]Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Gribbet wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
" Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said:

"I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". "

You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers.

HTH
Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though.
It's the major factor.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: " Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said: "I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". " You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers. HTH[/p][/quote]Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though.[/p][/quote]It's the major factor. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

3:45pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"I think you've seriously missed the point there."

Have you ever considered stating your case rather than merely alluding to its existence?
I gave you a pretty good example there.

I'm still waiting for you to give me these examples of 'cultural genocide' in the UK that you were alluding to. Still no actual examples from you to explain what you mean, just hot air.

And out of interest, what's the name of this group you mentioned who's definition of 'cultural genocide' you copied and pasted? You seem reluctant to name them.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "I think you've seriously missed the point there." Have you ever considered stating your case rather than merely alluding to its existence?[/p][/quote]I gave you a pretty good example there. I'm still waiting for you to give me these examples of 'cultural genocide' in the UK that you were alluding to. Still no actual examples from you to explain what you mean, just hot air. And out of interest, what's the name of this group you mentioned who's definition of 'cultural genocide' you copied and pasted? You seem reluctant to name them. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

3:51pm Tue 27 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
" Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said:

"I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". "

You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers.

HTH
Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though.
It's the major factor.
Great, well back to my point that factors such as American pop music, celeb culture, TV, global food outlets and internet are much bigger drivers of cultural change than immigration, what will UKIP do about that?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: " Hope we're not going to argue semantics now, but in case you've forgotten, this is what you said: "I must also point out the cultural genocide which has been inflicted on this country these past 40 years as a result of unfettered immigration". " You can be as petty as you like. My quote does not state that ALL cultural genocide' has occurred because of immigration. I referred to the aspects of it that were, because they are more noticeable even to the more stupid observers. HTH[/p][/quote]Well if we're arguing semantics now, then I didn't accuse you of saying that ALL 'cultural genocide' was a result of immigration. It does seem to be the factor you're blaming though.[/p][/quote]It's the major factor.[/p][/quote]Great, well back to my point that factors such as American pop music, celeb culture, TV, global food outlets and internet are much bigger drivers of cultural change than immigration, what will UKIP do about that? Gribbet
  • Score: 3

4:18pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"And out of interest, what's the name of this group you mentioned who's definition of 'cultural genocide' you copied and pasted? You seem reluctant to name them."

I wasn't aware that I was deliberately withholding their name, especially as:

1) You checked their site, so you obviously learned what they were called

2) I quoted them to enable a trace to be made.

3) They are called 'Cultural Genocide'.
"And out of interest, what's the name of this group you mentioned who's definition of 'cultural genocide' you copied and pasted? You seem reluctant to name them." I wasn't aware that I was deliberately withholding their name, especially as: 1) You checked their site, so you obviously learned what they were called 2) I quoted them to enable a trace to be made. 3) They are called 'Cultural Genocide'. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

4:19pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Great, well back to my point that factors such as American pop music, celeb culture, TV, global food outlets and internet are much bigger drivers of cultural change than immigration, what will UKIP do about that?"

Best to ask UKIP what their intentions are on that score.
"Great, well back to my point that factors such as American pop music, celeb culture, TV, global food outlets and internet are much bigger drivers of cultural change than immigration, what will UKIP do about that?" Best to ask UKIP what their intentions are on that score. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

4:21pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it."

I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment.
"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it." I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

4:36pm Tue 27 May 14

angrymonkey says...

a Few of the young engineering apprentices I work with voted ukip as seen how hard it is getting to get a job now as people from overseas will work for penny's and taking all the jobs as manages happy keeping costs down .
Its nice to see people see how the EU is dragging down the uk living standards of hard working people here.
a Few of the young engineering apprentices I work with voted ukip as seen how hard it is getting to get a job now as people from overseas will work for penny's and taking all the jobs as manages happy keeping costs down . Its nice to see people see how the EU is dragging down the uk living standards of hard working people here. angrymonkey
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Tue 27 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties.

Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent.

I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one!

He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted:

1. Keeping the NHS Public
2. Paying workers a living wage
3. Defending public services
4. Creating sustainable jobs
5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty
6. Nationalising rail and energy companies
7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending
8. Increasing science funding

And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent!

Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs!
So, we have learnt that the Greens have some great policies. Thanks for repeatedly posting them up.

Other than leaving the EU, what exactly are UKIP's policies? Like...what about the day after we left the EU?
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Don't worry what that idiot HJarrs posts - he admits he is just a left-wing green party fanboy and thinks he is helping the greens by spreading lies and misinformation about all the other parties. Unfortunately for this sad little individual, he is actually is helping them with his continuous rants as the lies and extreme left-wing bias becomes more and more apparent. I do like the way he attacks Farage for having a personality - no one could accuse Lucas or Kitcat of having one! He similarly attacks Farage over policies - do you know what the Green party policies are? Strangely little to do with the environment and mostly left-wing anti-capitalist anti-big business. See what the local green MEP Keith Taylor posted: 1. Keeping the NHS Public 2. Paying workers a living wage 3. Defending public services 4. Creating sustainable jobs 5. Protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty 6. Nationalising rail and energy companies 7. Abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE spending 8. Increasing science funding And no mention of how it will be funded - oh yes - they want to increase energy costs above inflation to deter usage and get rid of the British nuclear deterrent! Keep up the good work fanboy HJarrs![/p][/quote]So, we have learnt that the Greens have some great policies. Thanks for repeatedly posting them up. Other than leaving the EU, what exactly are UKIP's policies? Like...what about the day after we left the EU? HJarrs
  • Score: 2

8:10pm Tue 27 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are.

We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want.

Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration?

But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.
HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are. We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want. Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration? But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks. pachallis
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Tue 27 May 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are.

We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want.

Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration?

But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.
I think your comment about UKIPs policies sum up the average UKIP voters knowledge of their party's policies. To be fair, Farage hasn't told them what they are yet.

Why don't you read the Greens manifesto? All in there along with pages and pages about improving our environment. A pro-European party, pro-referendum to connect people with Europe and take back the EU for ordinary people. Outward l
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are. We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want. Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration? But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.[/p][/quote]I think your comment about UKIPs policies sum up the average UKIP voters knowledge of their party's policies. To be fair, Farage hasn't told them what they are yet. Why don't you read the Greens manifesto? All in there along with pages and pages about improving our environment. A pro-European party, pro-referendum to connect people with Europe and take back the EU for ordinary people. Outward l HJarrs
  • Score: -3

9:23pm Tue 27 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Other than leaving the EU, what exactly are UKIP's policies? Like...what about the day after we left the EU?"

UKIP might not even be the party which takes us out of the EU.

Frankly, I don't care what you are told about UKIP's other aims, because your vote for the Greens will be irrelevant.

For those with intelligence and a belief in democracy, here's the UKIP Euro Elections manifesto:

http://www.ukip-ynl.
org/ukip-manifesto-2
014.pdf
"Other than leaving the EU, what exactly are UKIP's policies? Like...what about the day after we left the EU?" UKIP might not even be the party which takes us out of the EU. Frankly, I don't care what you are told about UKIP's other aims, because your vote for the Greens will be irrelevant. For those with intelligence and a belief in democracy, here's the UKIP Euro Elections manifesto: http://www.ukip-ynl. org/ukip-manifesto-2 014.pdf ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Tue 27 May 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
simonk wrote:
One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-)
I agree usually on here comments are really bad about the greens but its obvious there is still massive support for them,its probably because the media only report on things when they go wrong and never on anything good they do.I'm not green but this result does show they are popular.The turnout for the vote was poor as normal so I think anyone that could not be bothered to vote should also not bother complaining.
The green core vote is from students, we have thousands here, hardly representative of the resident population but still adversely influencing our lives by continuing to support there own self interest.

The simple expedient of a higher turnout from the local resident population will diminish the effect these clowns have on local politics but you have been warned people - IF YOU DON'T WANT GREENS GET OUT AND VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]simonk[/bold] wrote: One of the real surprises here is that the Green vote in B&H has hardly dropped at all since 2009 (18,586 compared to 19,727). For a party in power that's quite an amazing feat, especially considering how supposedly unpopular they are, if we are to believe the comments regularly posted on this site ;-)[/p][/quote]I agree usually on here comments are really bad about the greens but its obvious there is still massive support for them,its probably because the media only report on things when they go wrong and never on anything good they do.I'm not green but this result does show they are popular.The turnout for the vote was poor as normal so I think anyone that could not be bothered to vote should also not bother complaining.[/p][/quote]The green core vote is from students, we have thousands here, hardly representative of the resident population but still adversely influencing our lives by continuing to support there own self interest. The simple expedient of a higher turnout from the local resident population will diminish the effect these clowns have on local politics but you have been warned people - IF YOU DON'T WANT GREENS GET OUT AND VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: -1

10:36pm Tue 27 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are.

We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want.

Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration?

But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.
I've had a brief read of the Green manifesto, seems they want a referendum on the EU, but they're a bit vague on immigration.

It's all very optimistic stuff, but it does rely on everyone everywhere playing nice.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are. We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want. Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration? But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.[/p][/quote]I've had a brief read of the Green manifesto, seems they want a referendum on the EU, but they're a bit vague on immigration. It's all very optimistic stuff, but it does rely on everyone everywhere playing nice. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Tue 27 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Since the Greens have been in power the city now has the lowest level of recycling since 2007 and the council has dropped down the carbon table.
All measurable targets have been failed and the party cannot even deliver basic services let alone tackle complex issues such as the EU and the economy.
A wasted vote.
Since the Greens have been in power the city now has the lowest level of recycling since 2007 and the council has dropped down the carbon table. All measurable targets have been failed and the party cannot even deliver basic services let alone tackle complex issues such as the EU and the economy. A wasted vote. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 1

2:36am Wed 28 May 14

Gribbet says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it."

I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment.
Trouble is, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word investment. If you did, my explanation would already be sufficient.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it." I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment.[/p][/quote]Trouble is, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word investment. If you did, my explanation would already be sufficient. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

8:30am Wed 28 May 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are.

We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want.

Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration?

But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.
I think your comment about UKIPs policies sum up the average UKIP voters knowledge of their party's policies. To be fair, Farage hasn't told them what they are yet.

Why don't you read the Greens manifesto? All in there along with pages and pages about improving our environment. A pro-European party, pro-referendum to connect people with Europe and take back the EU for ordinary people. Outward l
Why don't I read the green party manifesto? 2 reasons:

1. because I don't want to waste the time reading more communist inspired drivel.
2. because I asked you.

Unfortunately a pathetic little green party fanboy, who should know what it is, won't, or more likely can't, tell us. Why not? What is he afraid of?

Well I did have a look at the 36 page 'Manifesto for the European Parliament elections 2014' (what a waste of time that was producing considering the voting response!) and got bored on the contents pages with the left-wing anti-capitalist section on the Economy:

- Fiscal policy: fairer taxes, fighting austerity, building a green economy
- Making finance the servant of the real economy
- Fighting for debt justice
- Whose economy? Defending public services, extending democracy
- Decent jobs for all
- Standing up for workers’ rights
- Consumer rights: ensuring we can trust

As I said before the greens are basically just the modern incarnation of the communist party with ideas more suited to immature student activists rather than responsible people with real jobs and families and homes to support.

I searched the manifesto on the words 'referendum' and 'immigration' and found no mentions at all.

So thank you for wanting me to waste my time looking at 36 pages of left-wing propaganda. Turns out the greens have no published view, which IMHO implies that the greens are totally in favour of staying in Europe.

Yet another reason to avoid this pathetic little party who has made no real impact on British politics and, like with the Brighton & Hove City council, imposes what they think is right on the voters rather than taking notice of them.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: HJarrs - I don't know, nor care, what the UKIP policies are - I know that whatever they are will be probably be a lot better for the country than the irresponsible left-wing anti-capitalist drivel that the greens spout and you support - hence I republish them here as the Greens don't seem to want to be too open on what their intentions are. We know what the Conservatives want with regard to Europe. We know what UKIP wants. We know what the Liberals want. Prey tell us What is the Green policy on EU membership? Are they in favour? Are they against? Do they want a referendum? Do they want controls on immigration? But anyhow it doesn't really matter because the greens are a piffling little party with 1 immature MP, 3 MEPs, and 1 incompetent local council so we don't really care what they, or their sad little fanboy thinks.[/p][/quote]I think your comment about UKIPs policies sum up the average UKIP voters knowledge of their party's policies. To be fair, Farage hasn't told them what they are yet. Why don't you read the Greens manifesto? All in there along with pages and pages about improving our environment. A pro-European party, pro-referendum to connect people with Europe and take back the EU for ordinary people. Outward l[/p][/quote]Why don't I read the green party manifesto? 2 reasons: 1. because I don't want to waste the time reading more communist inspired drivel. 2. because I asked you. Unfortunately a pathetic little green party fanboy, who should know what it is, won't, or more likely can't, tell us. Why not? What is he afraid of? Well I did have a look at the 36 page 'Manifesto for the European Parliament elections 2014' (what a waste of time that was producing considering the voting response!) and got bored on the contents pages with the left-wing anti-capitalist section on the Economy: - Fiscal policy: fairer taxes, fighting austerity, building a green economy - Making finance the servant of the real economy - Fighting for debt justice - Whose economy? Defending public services, extending democracy - Decent jobs for all - Standing up for workers’ rights - Consumer rights: ensuring we can trust As I said before the greens are basically just the modern incarnation of the communist party with ideas more suited to immature student activists rather than responsible people with real jobs and families and homes to support. I searched the manifesto on the words 'referendum' and 'immigration' and found no mentions at all. So thank you for wanting me to waste my time looking at 36 pages of left-wing propaganda. Turns out the greens have no published view, which IMHO implies that the greens are totally in favour of staying in Europe. Yet another reason to avoid this pathetic little party who has made no real impact on British politics and, like with the Brighton & Hove City council, imposes what they think is right on the voters rather than taking notice of them. pachallis
  • Score: 3

11:41am Wed 28 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Gribbet wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over.

A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it."

I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment.
Trouble is, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word investment. If you did, my explanation would already be sufficient.
But you didn't give an explanation, so it cannot possibly be 'sufficient'.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "Well firstly in the case of science funding, that would pay for itself many times over. A good example is how we discovered graphene in this country (with the help of an immigrant Russian physicist), but unfortunately since making that massive discovery we're now lagging light-years behind China and the US in patenting the technology because the science funding isn't there to develop it." I'll try again and ask you to explain how this is an example of self-funding science investment.[/p][/quote]Trouble is, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word investment. If you did, my explanation would already be sufficient.[/p][/quote]But you didn't give an explanation, so it cannot possibly be 'sufficient'. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

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