Reckless drivers clock speeds of 120mph

Dangerous drivers clock speeds of 120mph

Dangerous drivers clock speeds of 120mph

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Reckless drivers have been caught speeding along Sussex’s roads at nearly double the limit, new figures have revealed.

Speeds of up to 121mph have been clocked along some of the county’s busiest roads in the past 12 months, leading a motoring group to call for tougher sentences for dangerous drivers who exceed the speed limit by large margins.

One motorist was caught travelling at 121mph along the 70mph A27 at Hammerpot near Angmering while similar speeds of 115mph at the Holmbush Centre in Shoreham, 113mph at Aldingbourne and 109mph at West Ashling, both near Chichester, were all recorded on the A27.

The biggest speed breaker was a motorist who clocked 112mph along the 60mph A24 at Dial Post near Horsham – 52mph above the limit.

The figures, obtained by the Institute of Advanced Motorists, show the highest five speeds recorded by speed cameras belonging to each police force in the country between April 2013 and May this year.

Under current legislation, motorists caught driving between 101mph and 110mph on a 70 mph road receive a fine, six points on their licence and a two- month ban from driving.

The Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) is calling for tougher penalties in an impend- ing review of sentencing for all motoring offences.

Neil Greig, director of policy and research, said: “The IAM wants the guidelines reviewed so that it is clear that excessive speeding will attract a danger- ous driving charge – that already provides for a range of prison sentences, bans and fines in addition to those for ‘normal’ speeding.

“It would still be up to a court to apply its discretion within the parameters for dangerous driving although we cannot think of many mitigating circumstances for doing 149mph.”

Justice Minister Damian Green said: “Drivers who flout speeding laws are dangerous and irresponsible and endanger the lives of innocent people on the road.

“Those who put others at dan- ger through excessive speed can be charged with a wide range of offences for which tough penal- ties are available to the courts.

“Offences such as causing death by dangerous driving carry sentences of up to 14 years’ imprisonment.

“Sentencing guidelines are a matter for the independent sentencing council.”

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10:06am Thu 29 May 14

John Steed says...

speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old. John Steed
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10:30am Thu 29 May 14

IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS UK says...

The A27 between Lancing & Coldean is a race track. I use this road every day and only twice have I seen a Tango Police car and they were unmarked. I saw one P/car in front of me last month ,We were both doing 70mph and a large BMW overtook us but they did not a thing except drive in front of me all the way to Asda and there I saw them do some shopping. Even if they were only a untrained G.P. car they could have pulled the driver up and give him a b-----g as there is no HORT1s now. Police Wake up and get your good name back.
The A27 between Lancing & Coldean is a race track. I use this road every day and only twice have I seen a Tango Police car and they were unmarked. I saw one P/car in front of me last month ,We were both doing 70mph and a large BMW overtook us but they did not a thing except drive in front of me all the way to Asda and there I saw them do some shopping. Even if they were only a untrained G.P. car they could have pulled the driver up and give him a b-----g as there is no HORT1s now. Police Wake up and get your good name back. IRISH DEFENCE FORCES VETERANS UK
  • Score: 0

10:43am Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

John Steed wrote:
speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -2

10:55am Thu 29 May 14

HJarrs says...

I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus. HJarrs
  • Score: 4

10:57am Thu 29 May 14

Gribbet says...

John Steed wrote:
speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Typical petrolhead views. It's funny how 99% drivers seem to think they're the world's safest and best driver until they write-off their car and/or kill someone. The speed limits aren't just there for your own personal safety, they're there for everyone else's too.
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Typical petrolhead views. It's funny how 99% drivers seem to think they're the world's safest and best driver until they write-off their car and/or kill someone. The speed limits aren't just there for your own personal safety, they're there for everyone else's too. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

11:05am Thu 29 May 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate

C'mon, you can do better than this!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this! cynic_the
  • Score: -4

11:16am Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this!
1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -4

11:18am Thu 29 May 14

Barney123 says...

Interesting how the same story was on the Daily Echo yesterday. Is Newsquest Media just doing systematic FoA requests to get a rather cheap story?
Interesting how the same story was on the Daily Echo yesterday. Is Newsquest Media just doing systematic FoA requests to get a rather cheap story? Barney123
  • Score: 4

11:38am Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Barney123 wrote:
Interesting how the same story was on the Daily Echo yesterday. Is Newsquest Media just doing systematic FoA requests to get a rather cheap story?
I wouldn't have said that death was particularly cheap.
[quote][p][bold]Barney123[/bold] wrote: Interesting how the same story was on the Daily Echo yesterday. Is Newsquest Media just doing systematic FoA requests to get a rather cheap story?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't have said that death was particularly cheap. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -2

11:56am Thu 29 May 14

HJarrs says...

cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate

C'mon, you can do better than this!
I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Thu 29 May 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate

C'mon, you can do better than this!
I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name.
We agree again. This is getting embarrassing...
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name.[/p][/quote]We agree again. This is getting embarrassing... cynic_the
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Thu 29 May 14

cynic_the says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this!
1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'.
That doesn't make any sense!
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make any sense! cynic_the
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Thu 29 May 14

BDS_1986 says...

Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does.

Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in!
Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does. Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in! BDS_1986
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Thu 29 May 14

Skidrow says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
John Steed wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem
And if you moved into the slow lane, out of the way, your self righteous holier than thou attitude would be a whole lot more acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem[/p][/quote]And if you moved into the slow lane, out of the way, your self righteous holier than thou attitude would be a whole lot more acceptable. Skidrow
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Thu 29 May 14

Nosfaratu says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
John Steed wrote:
speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem
Dear dear, don't get your knickers in a a twist. The reason people drive like idiots is:
They get no training on how to use motorways.
There are not enough road patrols in marked cars.
Foreign drivers don't care.
I have recently used M23 M25 and am appalled at the driving standards.
I have been driving for 44 years, experience including Autobahns and other European roads and only in the UK is it so bad.
If there were patrol cars visibly using the roads people would slow down and drive correctly. When was the last time you saw a copper on the M23. Dear Chief Constable/PCC, Plain unmarked cars don't deter !
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem[/p][/quote]Dear dear, don't get your knickers in a a twist. The reason people drive like idiots is: They get no training on how to use motorways. There are not enough road patrols in marked cars. Foreign drivers don't care. I have recently used M23 M25 and am appalled at the driving standards. I have been driving for 44 years, experience including Autobahns and other European roads and only in the UK is it so bad. If there were patrol cars visibly using the roads people would slow down and drive correctly. When was the last time you saw a copper on the M23. Dear Chief Constable/PCC, Plain unmarked cars don't deter ! Nosfaratu
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Thu 29 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Travelling at speed concentrates the mind.

Most accidents and collisions happen when all vehicles are moving within the speed limit, when drivers aren't paying attention.
Travelling at speed concentrates the mind. Most accidents and collisions happen when all vehicles are moving within the speed limit, when drivers aren't paying attention. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Thu 29 May 14

FatherTed11 says...

HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate

C'mon, you can do better than this!
I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name.
Don't let Lucas know you are a 'driver'. Don't you get kicked out of the green party for that?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]I think John Steed demonstrates my point nicely. A few idiots giving the decent majority of us motorists a bad name.[/p][/quote]Don't let Lucas know you are a 'driver'. Don't you get kicked out of the green party for that? FatherTed11
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Thu 29 May 14

Number Six says...

My daily commute takes me along the A27 at Hillbarn, up the A23 and over Clayton Hill. I see quite a few accidents and very few are caused by excessive speed. Most are caused by bad and aggressive driving. Tailgating, bad lane discipline and the chip in the BMW that makes it tear right down to the end of the slip lane before barging in.

And before anyone starts calling me silly names like petrolhead I think that anyone driving over 100mph should face the same penalties as a drink driver
My daily commute takes me along the A27 at Hillbarn, up the A23 and over Clayton Hill. I see quite a few accidents and very few are caused by excessive speed. Most are caused by bad and aggressive driving. Tailgating, bad lane discipline and the chip in the BMW that makes it tear right down to the end of the slip lane before barging in. And before anyone starts calling me silly names like petrolhead I think that anyone driving over 100mph should face the same penalties as a drink driver Number Six
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Thu 29 May 14

Man of steel says...

It seems strange to me that nobody is remembering that the speed limits in force at present were brought in during a petrol crisis, in order to get evrybody to use less fuel, there were no concerns about safety then, and the only accident I can remember on the motorways were two policemen getting killed driving a Daimler Dart, bit of a difference from a noddy bike they had been used to riding.
As has been said already, it is not speed that kills, it's bad drivers.
It seems strange to me that nobody is remembering that the speed limits in force at present were brought in during a petrol crisis, in order to get evrybody to use less fuel, there were no concerns about safety then, and the only accident I can remember on the motorways were two policemen getting killed driving a Daimler Dart, bit of a difference from a noddy bike they had been used to riding. As has been said already, it is not speed that kills, it's bad drivers. Man of steel
  • Score: 2

3:12pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Skidrow wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote:
John Steed wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem
And if you moved into the slow lane, out of the way, your self righteous holier than thou attitude would be a whole lot more acceptable.
Have you arranged your funeral plans? You shouldn't leave that to your family. Or are you as self-centred in that part of your life as much as with your arrogant motoring?
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem[/p][/quote]And if you moved into the slow lane, out of the way, your self righteous holier than thou attitude would be a whole lot more acceptable.[/p][/quote]Have you arranged your funeral plans? You shouldn't leave that to your family. Or are you as self-centred in that part of your life as much as with your arrogant motoring? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -5

3:21pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote:
John Steed wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.
Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem
Dear dear, don't get your knickers in a a twist. The reason people drive like idiots is: They get no training on how to use motorways. There are not enough road patrols in marked cars. Foreign drivers don't care. I have recently used M23 M25 and am appalled at the driving standards. I have been driving for 44 years, experience including Autobahns and other European roads and only in the UK is it so bad. If there were patrol cars visibly using the roads people would slow down and drive correctly. When was the last time you saw a copper on the M23. Dear Chief Constable/PCC, Plain unmarked cars don't deter !
Why on earth would you need special training on how to use a motorway? If necessary, you could write it down on a credit card:

1 accept that the speed limit is 70 mph.
2 don't let the resulting monotony let you get impatient and use that as an excuse for speeding.
3 if you can't plan a journey properly, then you probably can't make plans with the rest of your life.

Happy motoring.
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: speeding on a dual carriage way, in good conditions with little or no traffic is not per se reckless or dangerous driving, dangerous or reckless driving can involve not even breaking the speed limit. On motorways the only drivers that do not speed are lorries limited to 56mph ( I will ignore the fact that foreign drivers will also do that down the hard shoulder, now that is reckless and dangerous and does not involve speeding) and middle lane hoggers who take great joy in doing 40/50mph. Each case needs to be judged on its merits, this report simply quotes a tory minister, and lists a speed. this is the sort of headline with sweeping generalisation that one expects from the nations most popular tabloid, the one written for an average reading age of a 10 year old.[/p][/quote]Speeding should never be excused. The roads are just one large primary school for sem-educated, self important grown ups. Much is made of young men and their testosterone behind the wheel, but the baby boomers like yourself are also a menace, in that they will intellectualise the rule breaking, so that speeding first becomes tolerated, and then normalised. The worst stretch of road for me, is the whole length of the A3 between Portsmouth and the M25, where tradesmen off to work will tailgate other motorists at very high speeds in foul weather over a very long length of road; there are very few speed cameras, and Hampshire Constabulary really don't seem to be interested. 1,700 deaths every year don't come from nowhere, and your attitude is a not insignificant part of the problem[/p][/quote]Dear dear, don't get your knickers in a a twist. The reason people drive like idiots is: They get no training on how to use motorways. There are not enough road patrols in marked cars. Foreign drivers don't care. I have recently used M23 M25 and am appalled at the driving standards. I have been driving for 44 years, experience including Autobahns and other European roads and only in the UK is it so bad. If there were patrol cars visibly using the roads people would slow down and drive correctly. When was the last time you saw a copper on the M23. Dear Chief Constable/PCC, Plain unmarked cars don't deter ![/p][/quote]Why on earth would you need special training on how to use a motorway? If necessary, you could write it down on a credit card: 1 accept that the speed limit is 70 mph. 2 don't let the resulting monotony let you get impatient and use that as an excuse for speeding. 3 if you can't plan a journey properly, then you probably can't make plans with the rest of your life. Happy motoring. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -6

3:22pm Thu 29 May 14

her professional says...

Man of steel wrote:
It seems strange to me that nobody is remembering that the speed limits in force at present were brought in during a petrol crisis, in order to get evrybody to use less fuel, there were no concerns about safety then, and the only accident I can remember on the motorways were two policemen getting killed driving a Daimler Dart, bit of a difference from a noddy bike they had been used to riding.
As has been said already, it is not speed that kills, it's bad drivers.
And when those speed limits were introduced, lo and behold deaths and injuries declined.
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: It seems strange to me that nobody is remembering that the speed limits in force at present were brought in during a petrol crisis, in order to get evrybody to use less fuel, there were no concerns about safety then, and the only accident I can remember on the motorways were two policemen getting killed driving a Daimler Dart, bit of a difference from a noddy bike they had been used to riding. As has been said already, it is not speed that kills, it's bad drivers.[/p][/quote]And when those speed limits were introduced, lo and behold deaths and injuries declined. her professional
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Thu 29 May 14

BDS_1986 says...

her professional wrote:
BDS_1986 wrote:
Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does.

Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in!
BMW attitude to a T. I'm all right Jack, boll@%ks to everyone else.
I should point out that I'm not a BMW driver, just stating that they are well built cars perfectly capable of being driven safely at very high speed - unlike a lot of small city cars, which probably shouldn't even be allowed on a motorway. As I said - speed doesn't kill, bad driving does.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BDS_1986[/bold] wrote: Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does. Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in![/p][/quote]BMW attitude to a T. I'm all right Jack, boll@%ks to everyone else.[/p][/quote]I should point out that I'm not a BMW driver, just stating that they are well built cars perfectly capable of being driven safely at very high speed - unlike a lot of small city cars, which probably shouldn't even be allowed on a motorway. As I said - speed doesn't kill, bad driving does. BDS_1986
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

cynic_the wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.
Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this!
1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'.
That doesn't make any sense!
I'm saying that some of the views being expressed here effectively bully and troll the law abiding users of the road network. It is one of the biggest open secrets that so called 'baby boomers' have an innate dislike of authority, and that disobeying motoring laws is the most accessible and only mechanism by which they can express this frustration; it's just their way of having fun, but they'll try to look important by wanting to be there fifteen minutes before I'd be there, if we'd both set off from the same place at the same time. These people might pay homage to their God of Motoring (Jeremy Clarkson). I was also disturbed by a Watchdog episode recently when Anne Robinson seemed to think that road safety was just a consumer issue, and not a public safety issue.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of these speeders post on the Argus.[/p][/quote]Troll Rating: Intermediate C'mon, you can do better than this![/p][/quote]1,700 definite road deaths every year can never 'do better than this'.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make any sense![/p][/quote]I'm saying that some of the views being expressed here effectively bully and troll the law abiding users of the road network. It is one of the biggest open secrets that so called 'baby boomers' have an innate dislike of authority, and that disobeying motoring laws is the most accessible and only mechanism by which they can express this frustration; it's just their way of having fun, but they'll try to look important by wanting to be there fifteen minutes before I'd be there, if we'd both set off from the same place at the same time. These people might pay homage to their God of Motoring (Jeremy Clarkson). I was also disturbed by a Watchdog episode recently when Anne Robinson seemed to think that road safety was just a consumer issue, and not a public safety issue. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Travelling at speed concentrates the mind. Most accidents and collisions happen when all vehicles are moving within the speed limit, when drivers aren't paying attention.
Sorry to state the obvious, but you really shouldn't be behind the wheel at all if that's what you believe. Just accept it; motoring is boring. If you need fun in your life, look for something else
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Travelling at speed concentrates the mind. Most accidents and collisions happen when all vehicles are moving within the speed limit, when drivers aren't paying attention.[/p][/quote]Sorry to state the obvious, but you really shouldn't be behind the wheel at all if that's what you believe. Just accept it; motoring is boring. If you need fun in your life, look for something else theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -1

3:42pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

BDS_1986 wrote:
her professional wrote:
BDS_1986 wrote: Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does. Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in!
BMW attitude to a T. I'm all right Jack, boll@%ks to everyone else.
I should point out that I'm not a BMW driver, just stating that they are well built cars perfectly capable of being driven safely at very high speed - unlike a lot of small city cars, which probably shouldn't even be allowed on a motorway. As I said - speed doesn't kill, bad driving does.
How much did BMW pay you for this commercial?
[quote][p][bold]BDS_1986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BDS_1986[/bold] wrote: Speeding doesn't kill (ask Richard Hammond), bad driving does. Why is it in a lot of mainland Europe 80mph is considered a suitable motorway speed, yet here it is 70mph? Also, what is safer: a BMW doing 100mph, or a smart car doing 65mph? I know what I'd feel safer in![/p][/quote]BMW attitude to a T. I'm all right Jack, boll@%ks to everyone else.[/p][/quote]I should point out that I'm not a BMW driver, just stating that they are well built cars perfectly capable of being driven safely at very high speed - unlike a lot of small city cars, which probably shouldn't even be allowed on a motorway. As I said - speed doesn't kill, bad driving does.[/p][/quote]How much did BMW pay you for this commercial? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -4

4:10pm Thu 29 May 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Why is it that all our cars have such high top speeds?
Why is it that all our cars have such high top speeds? getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Why is it that all our cars have such high top speeds?
Just in case they need to go to Germany.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Why is it that all our cars have such high top speeds?[/p][/quote]Just in case they need to go to Germany. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Thu 29 May 14

John Steed says...

theargusissoinformat
ive your question why would you need special training to use a motorway, Every time I see agroup of people standing round a broken down vehicle I wonder why special training is not given, the most dangerous place on a british road, is the hard shoulder of a motorway, and these numpties just stand around waiting to get hit. most european countries it is mandatory to have HI VIS jackets in the passenger compartment and to put one on before leaving the vehicle, all across northern europe where I have extensive experience, occupants abandon the vehicle and safely leave the area, even in eastern europe where I have driven regualy for over 21 years they have more self preservation than here.
the number of deaths each year is being bandied about on here is moot. deaths on the roads do not equate automaticaly speeding,
theargusissoinformat ive your question why would you need special training to use a motorway, Every time I see agroup of people standing round a broken down vehicle I wonder why special training is not given, the most dangerous place on a british road, is the hard shoulder of a motorway, and these numpties just stand around waiting to get hit. most european countries it is mandatory to have HI VIS jackets in the passenger compartment and to put one on before leaving the vehicle, all across northern europe where I have extensive experience, occupants abandon the vehicle and safely leave the area, even in eastern europe where I have driven regualy for over 21 years they have more self preservation than here. the number of deaths each year is being bandied about on here is moot. deaths on the roads do not equate automaticaly speeding, John Steed
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Thu 29 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

John Steed wrote:
theargusissoinformat ive your question why would you need special training to use a motorway, Every time I see agroup of people standing round a broken down vehicle I wonder why special training is not given, the most dangerous place on a british road, is the hard shoulder of a motorway, and these numpties just stand around waiting to get hit. most european countries it is mandatory to have HI VIS jackets in the passenger compartment and to put one on before leaving the vehicle, all across northern europe where I have extensive experience, occupants abandon the vehicle and safely leave the area, even in eastern europe where I have driven regualy for over 21 years they have more self preservation than here. the number of deaths each year is being bandied about on here is moot. deaths on the roads do not equate automaticaly speeding,
You give one practical and rare example from a multitude of scenarios that are played out on our roads every day. Your argument essentially turns the rules of the road on their head a little, and encourages motorists to use their discretion about what they think is reasonable; the result is those that are unreasonable cause those that are reasonable to suffer. You might think that because you are a reasonable person, then that must mean that everybody else is. The result is an insidious mixture of values that explains why the tradesman who tailgates me on the A3 at 80+ mph in foul weather thinks that he is in the right, because he might have left home late and has to get to work a long distance away; I'm sorry, but this is not really acceptable. The training is already there in the Highway Code so that this scenario should never happen, but there is a real problem when the same thing might happen three times during the same journey, while I'm pushing the speed limit myself. If you want an analogy, your argument is similar to that of Nigel Farage, who has to watch out for the BNP numpties who would like to say that he expresses how they feel. All of sudden, motoring has turned very political!
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: theargusissoinformat ive your question why would you need special training to use a motorway, Every time I see agroup of people standing round a broken down vehicle I wonder why special training is not given, the most dangerous place on a british road, is the hard shoulder of a motorway, and these numpties just stand around waiting to get hit. most european countries it is mandatory to have HI VIS jackets in the passenger compartment and to put one on before leaving the vehicle, all across northern europe where I have extensive experience, occupants abandon the vehicle and safely leave the area, even in eastern europe where I have driven regualy for over 21 years they have more self preservation than here. the number of deaths each year is being bandied about on here is moot. deaths on the roads do not equate automaticaly speeding,[/p][/quote]You give one practical and rare example from a multitude of scenarios that are played out on our roads every day. Your argument essentially turns the rules of the road on their head a little, and encourages motorists to use their discretion about what they think is reasonable; the result is those that are unreasonable cause those that are reasonable to suffer. You might think that because you are a reasonable person, then that must mean that everybody else is. The result is an insidious mixture of values that explains why the tradesman who tailgates me on the A3 at 80+ mph in foul weather thinks that he is in the right, because he might have left home late and has to get to work a long distance away; I'm sorry, but this is not really acceptable. The training is already there in the Highway Code so that this scenario should never happen, but there is a real problem when the same thing might happen three times during the same journey, while I'm pushing the speed limit myself. If you want an analogy, your argument is similar to that of Nigel Farage, who has to watch out for the BNP numpties who would like to say that he expresses how they feel. All of sudden, motoring has turned very political! theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Thu 29 May 14

Skidrow says...

The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.
The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane. Skidrow
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Thu 29 May 14

Anna Phylactic says...

Has anyone pointed out that going fast is a lot of fun? It's brilliant in fact.
Has anyone pointed out that going fast is a lot of fun? It's brilliant in fact. Anna Phylactic
  • Score: 2

2:54am Fri 30 May 14

Gribbet says...

My suggestions to improve road safety (if or when the technology is available):

Electronic speed limiters in all cars.
Car stereo controls that operate only in neutral if the engine is running.
A mobile phone jammer in every car.
Compulsory eye test with MOT and a constant beeping noise if the driver isn't wearing his/her glasses.
Crash helmets compulsory.
Make 'under-taking' legal like it is in other countries as this would prevent drivers from being so unnecessarily precious about motorway etiquette and reduce road rage.
Sensors on front bumper to trigger a fine mist of sulphurous odour if tailgating.
My suggestions to improve road safety (if or when the technology is available): Electronic speed limiters in all cars. Car stereo controls that operate only in neutral if the engine is running. A mobile phone jammer in every car. Compulsory eye test with MOT and a constant beeping noise if the driver isn't wearing his/her glasses. Crash helmets compulsory. Make 'under-taking' legal like it is in other countries as this would prevent drivers from being so unnecessarily precious about motorway etiquette and reduce road rage. Sensors on front bumper to trigger a fine mist of sulphurous odour if tailgating. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

10:29am Sat 31 May 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Skidrow wrote:
The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.
Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here.
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.[/p][/quote]Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -2

8:25pm Sat 31 May 14

Anna Phylactic says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
Skidrow wrote:
The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.
Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here.
You don't sound like you cope very well on the roads. Do you think it might be better if you stopped trying to drive and maybe just got buses or trains instead?
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.[/p][/quote]Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here.[/p][/quote]You don't sound like you cope very well on the roads. Do you think it might be better if you stopped trying to drive and maybe just got buses or trains instead? Anna Phylactic
  • Score: 0

9:59am Mon 2 Jun 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Anna Phylactic wrote:
theargusissoinformat

ive
wrote:
Skidrow wrote:
The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.
Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here.
You don't sound like you cope very well on the roads. Do you think it might be better if you stopped trying to drive and maybe just got buses or trains instead?
I think that I cope quite well. I just have an allergy to needlessly dying young. Grow up please.
[quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: The A3 is a dual carriageway. Drive considerately and move to the inside lane.[/p][/quote]Are you a bully on the road AND on the internet, or do you think you have a sense of humour? Can you please tell me what I'm meant to do if I'm overtaking someone, just about breaking the speed limit myself AND being tailgated at the same time? You have to be the scummiest character that I've ever encountered on here.[/p][/quote]You don't sound like you cope very well on the roads. Do you think it might be better if you stopped trying to drive and maybe just got buses or trains instead?[/p][/quote]I think that I cope quite well. I just have an allergy to needlessly dying young. Grow up please. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 2 Jun 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Actually, I think I've stumbled across The Argus Suicide Club for Three Car Pile-ups. Let me know about your next plans and events.
Actually, I think I've stumbled across The Argus Suicide Club for Three Car Pile-ups. Let me know about your next plans and events. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

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